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What Is Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam and What Do Its Members Really Believe?

Mar. 7, 2013 12:02pm Billy Hallowell

Editor’s Note: This article is part of a larger series about lesser-known religions called “Understanding Faith.” Today’s subject is the Nation of Islam. In the past, we’ve covered Chrislam and Sikhism, among other faith systems.

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You’ve likely heard or read about the Minister Louis Farrakhan and his fiery sermons about race, politics and Allah’s impending wrath upon America (TheBlaze has covered Farrakhan extensively). But do you know much about the Nation of Islam (NOI) — the controversial faith system that the infamous preacher leads?

Patheos, a web portal that reveres itself as the WebMD of faith and religion, defines the NOI as a, “Religious and cultural community based on Islamic concepts that evolved in the 20th century in the United States out of various black nationalist organizations.”

Despite having the word “Islam” in its title, the faith system is not what one would think. Contrary to the centuries of Islamic history that have abounded, NOI is less than 100 years old. The religion’s roots date back to the 1930s, when Wali Fared (also known as W.D. Fard) set its foundations. At the time, Fard was going door-to-door in Detroit, Mich., selling goods and telling African Americans about his theological views.

After he disappeared in 1934 and was never heard of again (the church’s official web site refers to his disappearance as a “departure”), Fard passed leadership of the group to a man named Elijah Muhammad (real name: Elijah Robert Poole), who then led the denomination from 1934 until his death in 1975. Under Muhammad, Fard was revered as “the long-awaited ‘Messiah’ of the Christians and the ‘Mahdi’ of the Muslims” — a controversial claim to say the least.

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Minister Louis Farrakhan speaks during the Saviours’ Day annual convention at the U.I.C. Pavilion in Chicago, Sunday, Feb. 24, 2013. Credit: AP

Under Muhammad, some of the denomination’s most controversial ideas were manifested. He maintained that he was Allah’s prophet. Additionally, contentious ideas about whites commenced during his decades in NOI leadership. Later, though, his son, Warith Deen Muhammad, attempted to de-radicalize the group, bringing it back to a more mainstream version of Islam. Discontented with this decision, Farrakhan broke away to create the fiery branch that continues to captivate headlines.

Beliefnet provides this contentious history in more detail:

Elijah Muhammad taught that American blacks, a group that includes all people of color, were descended from the ancient tribe of Shabazz that had originally settled the holy city of Mecca, and that blacks and whites can share no real community. Malcolm X was his closest collaborator until a quarrel between the two men in 1964. Malcolm X then went on a pilgrimage to Mecca, where he saw people of every race worshiping side by side, and he became convinced of the hopelessness of racism.

He returned to the United States and founded the Organization of Afro-American Unity, which preached black nationalism but not black separatism. He was shot and killed while speaking to a large gathering in New York City in 1965. After Elijah Muhammad’s death in 1975, his son Warith Deen Muhammad radically transformed the Black Muslim movement, opening it to whites and renaming it the American Muslim Mission. In 1979, Louis Farrakhan broke away from the Mission, establishing the more radical Nation of Islam, which restricts membership to blacks and advocates a separate black social structure.

As Beliefnet notes, NOI’s focus is on the advancement and sustainability of non-whites. Considering Farrakhan’s sermons, which range from curious to troubling, this notion of an ethnic or race-based theology is evident. The faith leader and others in the nation often demonize Caucasians, referring to them as “the enemy” and decrying their mere existence.

Members of the Nation Of Islam cheer as minister Louis Farrakhan speaks during the Saviours’ Day annual convention at the U.I.C. Pavilion in Chicago, Sunday, Feb. 24, 2013. Credit: AP

Farrakhan has repeatedly said that the human race was originally black and that whites are, as Beliefnet notes, an “aberration.” Rather than preaching a message of unification, NOI calls for segregation and separatism. On the group’s web site, the denomination is clear that it wishes for African Americans to live separately from whites.

“We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own — either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.”

Farrakhan and other leaders have maintained that whites were created by a renegade black scientist known as Yacub (some claim he is known as Jacob in the Bible). The church’s message has essentially been rooted in the notion that blacks are superior to their white counterparts, while regularly condemning whites and placing a major focus upon the horrific treatment African Americans once received in the U.S.

When NOI began, its members were implored to follow strict rules. In addition to being prevented from eating pork, they could not smoke or drink. Their clothing was conservative in nature and they were also forbidden from marrying outside of the race (something that still seems to be a rule of sorts, based on the NOI web site).

Beliefnet also contends that leaders within the movement once told members to avoid the draft, as the military was seen as a tool of white oppression. The group, as seen by Farrakhan’s continued visibility, has been successful.

“By turning racist ideas around to oppose whites, the movement has attracted many adherents and has had particularly good success in converting prisoners, criminals, and drug users,” Beliefnet notes. “Black Muslims have financed the construction of mosques, schools, apartment complexes, stores, and farms.”

Beliefnet’s chart showing the differences between Nation of Islam and traditional Islamic belief. (Photo Credit: Beliefnet)

Widely seen by other Muslims as an outside movement, the NOI, headquartered in Chicago, Ill. (Mosque Maryam), has brought itself more in line with mainstream Islam of late. Fasting for Ramadan and Friday prayers (rather than Sunday) are just two of the changes that were purportedly made to sync the denomination up with Muslim tradition.

In addition to referencing the Koran during his sermons, NOI reveres a number of other texts. Fard’s “The Secret Ritual of the Nation of Islam” and “Teaching for the Lost Found Nation of Islam in a Mathematical Way” — two booklets that he wrote before his disappearance — serve as guidance for members, among other texts.

A media outlet called Final Call also serves as a newspaper and online web site, offering members news and information through an NOI lens. As far as the Bible goes, the church believes that it must be interpreted so that alleged falsehoods that are presented in it can be corrected.

“We believe in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it,” the NOI web site proclaims.

Members of the Nation of Islam cheer as minister Louis Farrakhan speaks during the Saviours’ Day annual convention at the U.I.C. Pavilion in Chicago, Sunday, Feb. 24, 2013. Credit: AP

It’s difficult to pin down the number of adherents in NOI. A U.S.-centric faith, the majority of believers reside within the nation’s borders. While Beliefnet estimates that there are 100,000 people who embrace Farrakhan’s controversial theology, Patheos reports that the number is somewhere between 10,000 and 70,000, but calls that wide range “disputed.”

You can read all of the NOI’s “wants” and “beliefs” on the group’s web site. From a request that African Americans be exempt from taxes to a push for the release of Muslims held in federal prisons, the list is extensive.

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SREGN
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:05pm
“We believe in Gimmee Dat.”

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- michael48
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:23pm
  give them destro-it…and have them print thier on currency…bennie will show them how…
  
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- Ruler4You
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:27pm
  This “IS” disingenuous garbage.
  
  My ancestors were slaves for more than 250 years. Don’t play this self righteous ‘I’ve suffered’ more than you garbage when you haven’t suffered at all.
  
  This “IS” manipulative, ideological, self righteous, social justice garbage based entirely in racist foundations. It has ZERO to do with being a ‘slave’. Or with ‘justice’. This “IS” a completely subversive movement. And Politicians and Americans have bitten the bait, HARD, in ‘sympathetic’ reflex.
  Because logic, reason, fact and history have ALL been left behind in lieu of ‘emotion’ being spewed by the UNINVOLVED.
  
  IMHBLO, you want to disengage this argument? Then provide legitimate 100% guaranteed 1st class transport back to historic origins. Yeah, the bitter “descendents” of perceived victimization will cry foul. But if you offer up transport OR ‘shut your yap’ forever, you’d see things change.
  
  Don’t think it’s possible? Every day Americans are coerced into signing away their free speech rights to GOVERNMENT coercive forces for any number of things or “face indefinite incarceration”.
  
  We are being offered up as fodder for these subversive forces with government approval. This could be ‘fixed’ literally over night. But it won’t be. Because we have to be “beaten” into submission.
  
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- castuslonginus
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 7:08am
  Antarctica is relatively un-inhabited,got plenty of minerals and natural resources. How about there ,Louie.
  
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- poorrichard09
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 8:01am
  “Descendants of slaves”-guess that leaves out 0blama.
  
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- SREGN
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 8:31am
  Moonie – I have never enslaved anybody, or stolen anybody’s resources. But I have also never demanded that somebody else work hard to support my lazy behind. Because that would be slavery. I don’t believe in slavery. Apparantly Farrakhan does. You too?
  
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- SLAPTHELEFT
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:42pm
  All you had to say is they want to kill whitey. It didnt take a long article for that.
  
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- SLAPTHELEFT
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:50pm
  Not sure how to reply McDowell. Im stumped.
  
  I guess i’ll just say that Louie is a steamy mound of boar $hite. I’m just sick of the talk. I do not feel bad for any of my ancestors past regressions. But louie is a capitalist of the highest form. Who would lead that new black paradise? Louie? Will he be the warlord? If blacks are descendents of slaves, why cant they already farm? Oh, they inhereted everything bad, but nothing that could be used to be self sufficient? So I owe them another 25 years? So, I owe for slaves I never owned? Don’t I support enough people that don’t belong to me now?
  
  eff off farrakhan.
  
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Crow hunter
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:03pm
25 years until you can provide for yourself…. 25 years? this speaks volumes regarding a general lack of ambition, ingenuity and basic work ethic

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 5:54pm
  He’s a racist religious zealot feeding off the deluded masses….nothing more.
  
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- moonstruck2
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 11:38pm
  your mockery is the same as it was in the time of all of the prophets, Jesus, Moses, Noah, and Muhammad (pbuh) all of them had their nay sayers. But naysayers play an important role in contending with the prophets of GOD because as the truth of their prophetic revelations come to pass the naysayers will become witness bearers to the truth of what they were saying all along.
  
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- SLAPTHELEFT
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:13pm
  I say that farrakhan has to battle General Butt Naked for control of liberia.
  
  If he wins, its his. My money is on Butt Naked.
  
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semihardrock
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:01pm
They ALREADY have one……and it’s called Detroit.

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- mrunner
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:29pm
  They took Detroit by force in the late ’60′s with the riots. I was very young, but do remember what Detroit was like before the riots and I have lived through its decline while in a suburb. You want to see what the entitlement attitude can do to a city, visit Detroit. If it wasn’t for the stubborn resistance of Mike Illitch (Little Caesers, owns Tigers, Red Wings and the FOX Theater) downtown Detroit would be vacant as well. Most of the areas from the Detroit city limits to downtown are 3rd world…
  
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- ItsAllCrap
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:34pm
  Yep, let them have detroit. They created the present day detroit they deserve to keep turning it to trash. In a few years they will have created a “little Africa” and we can send them bags of rice to eat while flies crawl on their faces. like the flies on dear leader’s face.
  
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- MDECKER
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:04pm
  Burundi is open for bithness Mr. Farrakhan. I’ll even chip in for a ticket. But first, how about paying back the trillions of taxpayer dollars spent on so-called reparations over the last 40 plus years for, “your people”, before you’re allowed to make exit?
  
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RedDirtTexas
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:00pm
Wonder where and how Fard ” departed “? Now, if Louie can just pull off the same act I would be impressed.

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- AMERICA4EVER
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:21pm
  He’s with Jimmy Hoffa.
  
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ABRAXUS
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:00pm
give them new york and put a wall around it

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- JeffersonsPen
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:11pm
  Yea but then will need a “Snake Pliskan” to go in and save Obama from the Duke !………….on second thought tell Snake to stay home………..everythings fine !
  
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The-Monk
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:57pm
Hi CivilWarCometh,

Check your e-mail for this account.

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spirited
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:46pm
“We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must “be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs”-Farrahkan

First of all, ~~~~~~~~~~~~> “former slave masters”? They are all DEAD.

“obligated to maintain & supply our needs”?
~>Housing projects, $, equal rights, separate schools, NAACP, BET, etc…, sports, medical, law, theater, music, art, religion, talk shows, radio, etc… AND affirmative action are not, yet, enough???

Louis, go to the land of your ousted ansestors.
Take your million$, and your hoodwinked followers –and build ~>your own nation.
;^>Peace be unto you

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- stopprintn
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:07pm
  Maybe he could get set up in Gyana.
  
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- JonSigMan
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:05pm
  But he should be very careful if he goes back….The great, great grandchildren of the people that sold his great, great grandparents in the first place may just still be around waiting for you to come home, and might just try to “re-claim” you in the middle of the night. Be very careful indeed Louie!
  
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- WalkThePath
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:48pm
  He needs to go govern Liberia
  
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- plastixman
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 8:53pm
  @STOPPRINTN I’ll supply the refreshments
  
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- Goodyz
  Posted on April 18, 2013 at 8:55am
  I bet Jim Jones’ property is still available on the cheap.
  
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PollyPockets
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:46pm
Let me get this straight, he wants all those that are descendants of slaves to be given a state of their own? I say hand over to them what is rightfully theirs, a ONE WAY Ticket to back where their descendants came from. Deport them all, give them the opportunity they would have had if theft were never sold into slavery by their Own People. Let’t be done with this mess once in for all.

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OUT THE REGRESSIVES
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:42pm
Deport them all to ….

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beardedjesse
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:40pm
Their idea of religion is extremely distorted. Apparently the ingredients for their religion is extreme anger, disdain for others (that are not black), covetousness, selfishness & greed. Did I get all the ingredients that I read about right? Sounds like they’re saying, if you’re not black, you owe them…and if you are black & disagree with them you need to go somewhere else other than where they are. I don’t know what loving, kind human being would want to have their name associated with that type of religion? It sounds like an indulgent celebration of the human being opposed to God’s (a God’s) power entirely.

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- G.E.R
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:00pm
  Sounds just like the christian fanatics who post on here
  
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- beardedjesse
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:10pm
  Some of the posts on here get into the self-righteous realm which feeds into the all too willing Lefties that come on here waiting on someone to say what they say. Those people help nobody or no thing but their egos. The sad thing is, they don’t get that concept at all & just make themselves look stupid over & over again without actually solving any problems. Their idea of “helping” is lambasting people that don’t agree with their point of view in some sick attempt to cottle their own ego.
  
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barber2
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:35pm
These people were some of the biggest , divisive haters of the 60s. They also did the Blame Game : blamed whites for all of the world’s problems. Haven’t changed apparently.

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- beardedjesse
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:41pm
  Its much easier to point the finger at someone & blame them than to actually work on being a responsible human being that contributes to society despite turmoil & strife.
  
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beardedjesse
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:33pm
Sooo, if I’m reading this correctly, this is the African American version of the KKK without the history of violence? Hmmmmm….

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- willingtoupe
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:15pm
  Which proves that a racist cannot exist without power……
  
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RabbiDRJerkins
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:31pm
Shalom,
According to the text…
“We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own.”
…It has already been established. It is called Liberia. They are all welcome to go there. I am certain they will find the real Nation of Islam (Dar al-Islam) peaceful and pleasant neighbors.

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- momrules
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:20pm
  Hello Rabbi………They really have no desire to leave America where they are pampered and their hate speech is protected. In Africa they would they would not be looked upon as Africans and their black skin would offer no protection.
  
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- willingtoupe
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:17pm
  @MOMRULES Why settle for just one region of the planet and not have and duel in both east and western Continents?
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:31pm
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What Is the Nation of Islam and What Do Its Members Really Believe?…..

The NOI is a collection of angry, unhappy negros who blame their problems on the Evil White Man…..

NOI members also known as Free Lunch Slaves want everything given to them as they are entitled…..

NOI members are also leading contributors to Global Warming & Planet Over Population…..

Please as a Public Service have your NOI Member Spay or Neutered…..

Thank You,
The Rest of Us

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- Steelhead
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:50pm
  Negros ? you crack(er) me up
  
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- willingtoupe
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:18pm
  NabisssssKKKo! Ding…
  
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- SpankDaMonkey
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:31pm
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  @willingtoupe
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:18pm
  NabisssssKKKo! Ding…
  
  What the heck is that supposed to mean?…..
  
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moreteaplease
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:30pm
We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.
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Well, he’ll have to go dig them up then because they have been dead for a long time now. Wait a minute, so are the slaves that served under them! Hmm, oh well I’ll play along…

In case Louie hasn’t caught on yet, “the former slave masters”, aka the U.S. taxpayers, have already been footing the bill for ” their needs” for quite some time now already and you see how well that has worked out thus far. Or maybe Louie, like Al and Jesse, must keep racial tensions at a fever pitch or else they would have to get real jobs…or look to their former slave masters “fo dey needs”.

Mmmhmm, daaasright!

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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:39pm
  sho nuff
  
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jackact
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:27pm
This one is easy.
Nation of Islam is the official welcoming center for black American convicted criminals in jails all across America. They also provide body guard services for the Farakkhan and Jackson (J5) families.
It is also my understanding that Nation of Islam also invented the light grey suit, black framed eyeglasses, white shirt and black bow tie look that remains popular today.

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The Race Card
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:22pm
Now if the Blaze will do this same hackground check on all the other ‘religions’ you will notice all of them are Made Up By A Human. But if the coloreds of this group want a separate ‘state’ do go to africa where you will not be welcomed and there is no welfare provided…you will have to work for your daily bread.

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Whatmeworry-never
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:21pm
I agree this shows that Islam is totally fabricated and is not from Gods mouth. It is a shame that so many people fallfor these false prophits. They want their own land, I beleive that is Iberia, isn’t that where the free slaves fled so they could start their own lands.

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- RedDirtTexas
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:49pm
  Yes and look what a wonderful job they did with it. Look how well they have governed themselves at any place and any time throughout history. NOI believes they are superior to whites and in one area they are. Finding a way to live that requires no effort of their own.
  
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- WalkThePath
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:50pm
  Its just as fabricated as Christianity. However, as you people all want to “believe”, I dare say you wont pick up the old testament, and therefore will never be disappointed by failing to find Jesus in there anywhere.
  
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Steelhead
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:20pm
Billy why do you give L F so much time?

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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:20pm
“kill the white babies” who have never done anything to you. The closest thing they HAVE come to doing anything to you is that their grandparents and great grandparents fought to free you from a culture of slavery that YOUR ancestry invented.
A very misguided ‘culture’ you have there.

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- redonred
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:55pm
  Thank you. I am very glad to see that there are some who see and know real history.
  
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- willingtoupe
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 2:22pm
  @GHANDI was a Tea Party Member.,,Slavery wasn’t invented by blacks. Do your world history beyond America….Slavery was invented by whites enslaving their own SLAVIC people in the caucus mountains and the SLOVAKIAN countries…
  
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- Southerner01
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 3:42pm
  Willing, examples of slavery can be traced back as far as the Sumerians. The Egyptians had slaves (dark skinned masters, light skinned slaves). Ironically, the Muslims were slave holders for centuries. In fact, the first traders of African slaves were middle eastern Muslims. There was slavery in China, India and just about every other culture, most of which far predates European slavery, particularly Europeans holding African slaves.
  
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godlovinmom
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:18pm
That hurt my brain just reading it…any religion based on skin color would be false…duh…shows you why there’s not alot of white muslims…just sayin!

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- Goodyz
  Posted on April 18, 2013 at 9:05am
  I have found that Islam preys on the poor and downtroden (3d world countries, criminals, addicts, etc). Insh Allah (God willing) is a phrase you will encounter numerous times a day. It means that if it is meant to be God will provide, as they sit around and wait for God to provide. As a follower of God (Christian) God wants me to get up off my butt and work for what I want, not wait for him to provide. I am ideologically opposed to Islam.
  
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justsayin456
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:15pm
This is the problem with religion, it facilitates the overbearing of one’s will through adherence to dogma. Any truly religious person is bound by the rules of their religion. Islam, Christianity, it all boils down to rules that must be followed on threat of divine retribution in exchange for the (entirely theoretical) reward of eternal salvation. I like to think that if some kind of creator does exist, they would want me to use my faculties freely, and to arrive at moral attitudes on their own merit, not imposition by some kind of authority or due to promised reward. Being moral in hopes of reward is not morality. Period. It’s brown-nosing. Religion is slavery. Free your minds.

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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:21pm
  No- This is the problem with ‘cultural’ religion. Islam is the perfect example.
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:24pm
  I have no idea what that means.
  
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- willkauffman
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:29pm
  Don’t blame faith, its like blaming the gun for killing someone. Blame the messenger or the one misusing the gun
  
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- naughtycal
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:35pm
  No one who does what you posted is a truely religious person. What you are describing is a non-religious person who believes in their mind not their heart. I don’t know if logic can pierce through the atheist dogma you are clearly presenting. But those of us you know the truth of Christ teachings don’t do anything for a reward. We do it because its right in what believe in our hearts. We don’t weigh out our action on some damnation scale on what we should or shouldn’t do. I beleive the message was to be free thinking and acting let your soul be your guide. Do whats right and treat others as you would have them treat you.
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:42pm
  Great excuse, but I still have yet to hear an intelligible refutation of the assertion that “There will always be good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, that takes religion.” As clever as your metaphor may have sounded when you typed it out, religion is not a gun. We don’t force children to carry guns like we force religion upon them. Many Christians in our country indoctrinate their children with religion long before they have the critical thinking abilities needed to legitimately confront the questions religion seeks to answer. You can make all the apologetic arguments you want about why Christianity isn’t as bad as Islam but the fact is that religions of all kinds are marked by imposition and the overbearing of one’s will. The effect is one of mental slavery. The opposite of free thought.
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:52pm
  Naughty- Very noble. I agree with you through and through about how we should strive to act morally in the world. The unfortunate truth is, however, that so many of the devoutly religious DO follow their religious book like a set of rules. The faithful, not those who dogmatically preach and adhere to the text of some holy book, work a more subversive harm upon society through the undermining of critical thought. Questions are not really considered, they are just answered, often before they are asked. See my previous post about indoctrination of children. I perceive the indoctrination of children as harmful because it deprives the child of the ability to freely choose his beliefs. Does it surprise you that religion runs in families? Do you really think if all people started from square one they would have chosen the religion of their parents? This is tyranny, not freedom! We take the weakest and most vulnerable and trusting among us and we tell them we have answers to questions we cannot possibly know the answers to. It’s not moral. I would not do that unto another because I would not want it done to me. That’s the Golden Rule, which you cited.
  
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MCON29
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:15pm
“We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own — either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years–until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

So in other words, we want to seperate but we still want to live off the working man and force them to provide us with welfare. Some things will never change. Also, good luck collecting from your slave masters since none of you have slave masters and your descendents who did are all dead.

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- MCON29
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:00pm
  By the way. You want your own plot of land that is subsidized by the United States. You already have that, it’s called Africa.
  
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- AMERICA4EVER
  Posted on March 7, 2013 at 1:37pm
  I see how well South Africa is working out.
  
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banjarmon
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:13pm
far ta can should be in a black box 6 under!

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mikem1969
Posted on March 7, 2013 at 12:12pm
So even further proof that Islam is a false religion. Imagine that. Islam can kiss my dog’s butt.

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