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Conclave to Elect New Pope Will Start Tuesday

Mar. 8, 2013 11:56am Madeleine Morgenstern

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Cardinals have set Tuesday as the start date for the conclave to elect the next pope, signaling that they were wrapping up a week of discussions about the problems of the church and who best among them might lead it.

The conclave date was set on Friday afternoon during a vote by the College of Cardinals. Tuesday will begin with a Mass in the morning in St. Peter’s Basilica, followed by the first balloting in the afternoon.

In the past 100 years, no conclave has lasted longer than five days.

That said, there doesn’t appear to be a front-runner in this election, and the past week of deliberations has exposed sharp divisions among cardinals about some of the pressing problems facing the church, including of governance within the Holy See itself.

U.S. Cardinal Timothy Dolan, considered a papal contender, said in a blog post Friday that most of the discussions in the closed-door meetings covered preaching and teaching the Catholic faith, tending to Catholic schools and hospitals, protecting families and the unborn, and supporting priests “and getting more of them!”

“Those are the `big issues,’” he wrote. “You may find that hard to believe, since the `word on the street’ is that all we talk about is corruption in the Vatican, sexual abuse, money. Do these topics come up? Yes! Do they dominate? No!”

Early in the week, the Americans had been pressing for more time to get to the bottom of the level of dysfunction and corruption in the Holy See’s governance that were exposed by the leaks of papal documents last year. But by Thursday afternoon, Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles tweeted that the discussions were “reaching a conclusion” and that a mood of “excitement” was taking hold.

Vatican-based cardinals had been angling for a speedy end to the discussions, perhaps to limit the amount of dirty laundry being aired.

According to Vatican analysts and even some cardinals themselves, the list of papabili, or those considered to have the stuff to be pope, remains relatively unchanged from when Benedict XVI first announced he would resign Feb. 28. But some Italian media have speculated that with governance such a key issue in this conclave, the cardinals might also be considering an informal pope-secretary of state “ticket.”

The Vatican secretary of state is primarily responsible for running the Holy See, but it’s not an elected job like the pope. It’s a papal appointment, and will be a very closely watched papal appointment this time around given the stakes.

Also Friday, the cardinals formally agreed to exempt two of their voting-age colleagues from the conclave who in past weeks had signaled they wouldn’t come: Cardinal Julius Darmaatjadja, emeritus archbishop of Jakarta, who is ill, and Scottish Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who resigned last week after admitting to inappropriate sexual misconduct.

That formality brings the number of cardinal electors to 115; a two-thirds majority – or 77 votes – is required for victory. Benedict in 2007 changed the conclave rules to keep the two-thirds majority requirement throughout the voting process after Pope John Paul II had decreed that after about 12 days of inconclusive balloting the threshold could switch to a simple majority.

By reverting back to the traditional two-thirds majority, Benedict was apparently aiming to ensure a consensus candidate emerges quickly and ruling out the possibility that cardinals might hold out until the simple majority kicks in to push through their candidate. His decision might prove prescient, given the apparent lack of a front-runner in this conclave.

Lombardi said a few items of business remain outstanding, including drawing lots for rooms at the Vatican’s Santa Marta hotel, where the cardinals will be sequestered once the conclave begins.

On Friday, he showed a video of the room in which the new pope will sleep his first night as pontiff; it features a bed with a heavy, dark wood headboard featuring a carved image of Christ’s face. There is also a sitting area and a study.

The pope is expected to stay there for a few weeks even after the election, since the papal apartment in the Apostolic Palace must be renovated. The apartment was sealed Feb. 28, just after Benedict resigned, and cannot be reopened until the new pope formally takes possession of it.

Lombardi explained that after an eight-year papacy, certain plumbing and electric maintenance work that had been put off must be carried out – work that cannot begin, however, until the seal on the doors is broken.

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RayOne
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 7:13pm
Bring the Conclave to Washington, DC for dinner with the Senate.

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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on March 10, 2013 at 1:35pm
There was a (joke) announcement using an out-take of a Hollywood movie featured at the very beginning of SNL (Shabbat Night Live) this last Friday night from Charlotte, NC. It is fun to watch.
You will have to slide the time button across to 29:52 to catch the very beginning of the show, which shows the Hollywood movie out-take of the Vatican choosing the next Pope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcQ9_H3ld9E

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vincijoey49
Posted on March 9, 2013 at 10:41am
the black pope is coming.

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jman-6
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 10:23pm
My good catholic brothers & sisters, I say this with love and no malice as a rebuke of encouragement! Cardinal Mahoney…the posterboy for exactly why nobody trusts & everyone hates your church! He’s a pedophile and still on the payroll and now gonna cast votes to elect yall’s next leader! It undermines the churches credibility! The church needs to remember seperation and get out of the ‘state’! Remember: we all sin and fall short but we are to refrain from any and all appearances of evil, how do you expect to lead a person to CHRIST if the church can’t keep his own house an affairs in order! It’s called Hypocrisy and the LORD hates it! GOD SPEED!

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denkat56
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:02pm
I believe the Catholic church has good people in the religion, whether the press blew it out of context, is irreverent. They have a problem that should’ve been not hidden or ignored. The Boy Scouts the same, or the Penn. State group. The same for pro football, basketball, baseball. If your guilty do the time for the crime. You and I would have to. The morals of this country have all gone down to hell.

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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:10pm
  Agree!
  
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- AmericanEbolah
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 10:15pm
  This is the problem within the Catholic Church. Its been infiltrated my homosexual clergy. Wolfs in sheep’s clothing. Clearly against church teachings hence why they hide and with the help of other homosexual priests they hide their crimes once they have advanced into higher positions. These priest are being rooted out and exposed for what they are, fake Catholics!
  
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denkat56
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:51pm
Let’s put Obama in as the pope, people seem to think he’s a god, and he even acts like he’s a god. Problem solved. Make Holder a cardinal, Hillary a choirboy, and Biden Lucifer.

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- Welcome Black Carter
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:20pm
  Yep, got a email on that very topic:
  
  “Sources close to the White House have learned that Barack Obama is planning to run for the office of Pope when the College of Cardinals convenes to elect a successor to ailing Benedict XVI at the end of this month.
  Calling on the promise of Equality for All, Obama is said to firmly believe that the time has come for a non-Catholic to occupy the Vatican’s highest office.
  
  Foreseeing a looming citizenship issue he states that he has discovered an Italian birth certificate that proves he was born in Rome before he was born in Kenya.
  “That Hawaiian birth certificate never has been worth what I paid for it anyway, and not worth the paper it’s written on,” he noted.
  
  Continuing, he concluded, “And there’s no way that a handful of cardinals could be more expensive to buy than 10 million voters in Michigan.”
  Further questions should be directed to the Obama Papal Campaign H.Q., Abdul Azeem-Aziz Khan, Campaign Manager”
  
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- jman-6
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 10:05pm
  WBC- That’s a fantastic piece! Funny as HE double hockey sticks LL! Sad part is that it’s not very hard to believe and sounds all to real! LOL
  
  P.S.
  Are you sure that’s not a NY Times piece? LOL!
  
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Black Manta
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:48pm
How is it conclave if they told us it will be held tuesday??? Humans…

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Caleb-Texas
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:38pm
Dear WILBSTAL,

Celibacy is not the problem as Dr. Philip Jenkins, a non-Catholic Professor of History and Religious Studies at Penn State observe:

“The Myth of the Pedophile Priest,” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, March 3, 2010

“My research of cases over the past 20 years indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination—or indeed, than non-clergy. However determined news media may be to see this affair as a crisis of celibacy, the charge is just unsupported.

…

My concern over the “pedophile priest” issue is not to defend evil clergy, or a sinful church (I cannot be called a Catholic apologist, since I am not even a Catholic). But I am worried that justified anger over a few awful cases might be turned into ill-focused attacks against innocent clergy. The story of clerical misconduct is bad enough without turning into an unjustifiable outbreak of religious bigotry against the Catholic Church”.

Please, if you are interested read the full article:

http://old.post-gazette.com/forum/comm/20020303edjenk03p6.asp

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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on March 9, 2013 at 8:35am
  Thanks, Caleb. Good Post.
  
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wilbstal
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:01pm
If all preists were allowed to marry we would have less Child Molestations

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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:42pm
  See above respond…I thought I click reply on your comment…oh well…
  
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wilbstal
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:58pm
I have no faith in the Catholic religion until they purge all Child molestors and stop protecting and hiding these crimianals. Until then????????????????????????????????????

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mcsledge
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:46pm
In Christ’s original Church with Christ at the head and divine revelation the ‘rock’, Apostles were chosen by unanimous concent. It was God’s will, not man’s will.

Any chance the Catholic Church will pick a leader by unanimous consent?

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denkat56
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:52pm
I wonder if they’ll find one that isn’t a sex molester, or covering for a sex offender, or even paid off others to retire from their posts. Its like trying to find virginity among whores, just can’t or won’t work.

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jackact
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:44pm
…Pope Bloomberg?

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Sargeking
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:40pm
Here’s the skinny and it isn’t rocket science. There won’t be an African or an American Pope. Looks to me like the guy from Austria is going to get the nod (or is white smoke?). It really doesn’t make any difference because there will never be any “difference” in the precepts from the Church of Rome. The elected Pope will always be a You-Are-A-Peon because it is etched in the Catacombs. That’s been the history anyway when the Pope lost any real Papal power after the Middle Ages.

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Detroit paperboy
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:39pm
Yawn……………………………..it’s a cult full of pedophiles and closet homosexuals…………PERIOD.

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- AUsername
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:31pm
  Fleece Johnson for Pope, or they got plenty of TSA agents to choose from.
  
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Cavallo
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:22pm
Hopefully the next pope will be more inclined towards free will than the last one. The last one had a love of government oppression that was deeply disturbing.

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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:01pm
  You can take the boy out of the Hitler Youth, but you can’t take the Hitler Youth out of the boy.
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:17pm
  Dear Cavallo,
  
  Could you please substantiate your comments? It still amazed me how people with such effortless impunity are able to display either their ignorance or bigotry on this forum.
  
  I cannot recall any instance when Pope Benedict displayed antagonism to free will or to “love of government oppression”. On the contrary, on his writings, homilies, and teaching audiences he has defended human dignity from conception to natural death as creatures fashioned after the image of God. He has been a staunch critic of the dictatorship of moral relativism that has engendered the intellectual backbone of most oppressive regimes in the 20th century.
  
  Gonzo,
  
  You know better than that! I really like your sense of humor and most of your post are right on but come on! You know that Hitler Youth service was mandatory and that his family were opponents of the Nazi regime. Moreover what so-called Nazi tendencies did he displayed during his adult life? Zero.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:50pm
  Yea, yea. You couldn’t find anyone in Germany that supported Hitler…after the war. I would have more respect if they just said they made a mistake, this “I was forced” stuff doesn’t jibe with reality. I don’t hold him personally responsible for the holocaust or anything, but I doubt anyone stuck a gun to his head and made him say Heil Hitler. Antisemitism was NOT out of the mainstream in Germany in those days.
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:25pm
  Gonzo,
  
  You still did not address your original comment: “You can take the boy out of the Hitler Youth, but you can’t take the Hitler Youth out of the boy”. Which implied that at one point he was a Nazi (which you cannot prove solely based on his membership to the Hitler Youth since it was mandatory and also implies that he still is a Nazi sympathizer.
  
  The anti-defamotory league disagrees with such a statement:
  
  http://archive.adl.org/PresRele/VaticanJewish_96/44698_96.htm
  
  and
  
  http://www.adl.org/press-center/c/the-german-pope-and-the-jewish-people.html#.UTpFfY7B5UQ
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:14pm
  Sorry Caleb, I was just going by the swastika on his armband…my bad.
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 7:05pm
  I can’t help it but that was funny :-)
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:21pm
This is exactly how the republicans should select their nominee at the national convention. Each candidate brings their delegates from each state (based on proportion of the vote) and they close the door behind them. Then all the delegates select the nominee based on plurality. When it is finished, white smoke

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Locked
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:50pm
While Peter Turkson has the best odds last I heard, I have my doubts that the Catholic Church would choose a black pope. Not being racist… just realistic. I’m guessing Angelo Scola or Tarcisio Bertone. The Canadian Marc Ouellet is a long-bet; I don’t think they want a pope from America.

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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:26pm
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They need to vote to get a Spinner put on their little Bennie Hats……..

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- Vision Harry
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:38pm
  I just picked up some killer Ganja if their looking to send up some smoke.
  
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tonypro
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:19pm
Watch for Bertone to be put in seat. If this happens, be very afraid.

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:16pm
Guess we will know in a few days who the next, and if prophecy is true, last Pope for the world.

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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:43pm
  and what prophecy would that be, there are many.
  
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- ltb
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:59pm
  “In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit. Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus, quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & judex tremendus judicabit populum suum. Finis.” Translation: “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop]. Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.” (St. Malachy’s “Prophecy of the Popes,” c. 1130)
  
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judyaz
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:13pm
Pope prophecy by Nostradamus
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/eerie-accuracy-of-nostradamus-pope-prophecy-2561886.html

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- judyaz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:21pm
  Here is another famous prophecy of the next Pope
  http://www.endtime.com/blog/pope-resignation/
  
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- SonOfThunder
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:26pm
  oh they are picking the False Prophet. Cool I wonder who the Anti Christ will be. I will be raptured or in heaven when the Anti Christ will be revealed. It is very exciting time for Christians.
  
  If you do not know whether you are going to heaven or not, repent and put your trust in Jesus alone. You say I do want too and that is not fair that Jesus is only way to heaven. Well then you wont go heaven. You can go to heaven just repent and put your trust in Jesus alone.
  
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- judyaz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:50pm
  Remember the lightening that struck the Vatican when the Pope announced he was stepping down? And then the meteor that hit Russia, February 15, 2013, and the large, unexpected asteroid that came close to earth next? Scripture talks of Christ’s coming, that there will be signs in the sky. (See Matthew, chapter 24, Mark, chapter 13, Luke chapter 21, The Revelation, chapters 5-10.)
  Are we seeing these signs?
  
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willingtoupe
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:06pm
If a Black Pope is selected, then all shall be forgiven to all Catholics and the Catholic Church. Even boy touching will be forgiven. If any Catholics leave the Church because of the black selection and for no other reason, they will go straight to Satan’s fire.

AAAHHHHHHHH MEN!

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- SpankDaMonkey
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:21pm
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  The Free Lunch Slaves and the PC White Guilt Obama Voting Morons just elected him God…..
  
  Now you want a Black Pope, Ya’ll are some greedy folks aren’t you……
  
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Gonzo
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:04pm
I’m pulling for Stan Musial, greatest Cardinal of all time.

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- Vision Harry
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:43pm
  Wouldn’t you rather see Mark McGuire in one of those big pointy hats?
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:13pm
  The Vatican tests for Performance Enhancing Drugs these days. Stan was clean.
  
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The-Monk
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:03pm
Looking at the photo I could hear ZZ Top’s “Sharp Dressed Man” in the background.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn2-b_opVTo

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