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Illinois Might Fire Its Republican Party Chair on Saturday Because He Supports Gay Marriage

Mar. 8, 2013 11:59am Madeleine Morgenstern

Illinois Might Fire Republican Party Chairman Pat Brady Because He Supports Gay Marriage

Illinois Republican Party Chairman Pat Brady could be booted out on Saturday over his support for same-sex marriage. (AP)

Illinois Republican Party bosses could give their chairman the boot on Saturday because of his outspoken support for gay marriage.

Chairman Pat Brady came under fire from state party leaders in January after he declared his “full support” for a same-sex marriage bill pending before the state legislature, directly at odds with the national GOP platform. Brady personally lobbied Republican lawmakers to get on board, but once the bill passed the state Senate with just one GOP vote, Brady declared the party was “on the wrong side of history” on the issue.

Then, last month, seven state central committee members signed a letter requesting a special meeting in Springfield on March 9 to discuss, among other things, “the leadership, image and appeal” of the Illinois GOP.

“This all sparked and the demand for Brady’s resignation came right after his public statements that the Illinois Republicans should support the gay marriage bill,” state Rep. Jim Durkin (R-Western Springs), a supporter and personal friend of Brady, told TheBlaze.

One of the main Republicans pushing for Brady’s ouster is Illinois state Sen. Jim Oberweis. Oberweis did not return a request for comment from TheBlaze, but told WBEZ it’s not just about gay marriage.

“You cannot have the chair of an organization publicly going out and lobbying in opposition to the organization’s stated goals. Doesn’t matter what the goal is. It would have been exactly the same result if he had lobbied in favor of Obamacare,” Oberweis said.

Durkin said it’s ridiculous to single Brady out when plenty of other elected officials in Springfield and Washington haven’t stuck to every position of the national Republican Party.

“It’s not as if the elected officials, particularly Republicans, in this country are purist with respect to the GOP platform,” Durkin said. “Pat Brady’s comments are not consistent with the GOP platform, I get it, I understand, but I think we need to put this in proper context. We’ve had Republican governors — Jim Edgar was one of the most beloved governors in the state of Illinois for two terms, he was pro-choice.”

Edgar actually weighed in this week to say it would be a “mistake” to use same-sex marriage as a reason to remove Brady. Jim Thompson, another former Republican governor, said doing so would “further submerge the Republican Party in Illinois.”

Tom Cross, the Illinois House Republican leader, has also thrown his support behind Brady. He told TheBlaze there are “other issues out there,” including some personality clashes, but that it’s gay marriage that’s been the driving force — and that it sends the wrong message.

“We are a party that says you value different opinions and you can be for this bill, you can be opposed to this bill, and we need to acknowledge that we’re a party with a lot of diversity on a lot of issues,” Cross said. “We have to just understand not everybody is going to agree with us, especially as we’re a party that’s struggling to grow, at least in Illinois.”

Brady’s supporters point to his strong record as state GOP chairman, saying he has raised more than $9 million since starting in 2009 and credit him in large part with Republican Mark Kirk getting elected to Barack Obama’s old U.S. Senate seat.

“[Brady] has been a tireless critic of the highest-ranking Democrats in the state of Illinois, which no other chairman has had the guts to do in my lifetime as a Republican,” Durkin said. “He’s not afraid to call them out, which he has done. His job is to raise money and try to win races — he’s traveled the state, spoken all over, he has not shirked his responsibilities.”

It’s unclear at this point whether Brady’s opponents will have the votes to throw him out. Doing so would require three-fifths of the state committee’s weighted votes, which is based on voter turnout in the state’s March 2012 primary.

“It is at this point I’m told very close,” Cross told TheBlaze. “I don’t think we really are going to know until Saturday…I honestly don’t know as we speak here what’s going to happen.”

Brady, who did not return requests for comment from TheBlaze, will be traveling Saturday and not attend the meeting in Springfield. Durkin said he will be there to represent him and speak on his behalf.

Meanwhile, Durkin said he’s heard from two major donors this week who are concerned about the internal struggle.

“The conversations I’ve had with these gentlemen, who are longtime donors who know how to raise money, is they are going to give second thoughts in the future about raising money for the party if they remove Pat,” Durkin said. “There is a consequence to this. In their words they say, ‘I thought this was a party, a big tent party, but we’re just shrinking it by doing this.’”

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SGinNC
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:45pm
Good!

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- 2Amend
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:09pm
  Exactly! The excuse was made that, ‘other republicans’ are liberal, therefore he should be anti-conservative? When are these stinking RINO’s going to understand they are in reality, Dem’s?
  
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- term limits for congress
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:30pm
  Try to focus, people! There is a much greater threat to our society.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:40pm
  term limits for congress, chew gum and walk.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:41pm
  it seems to me that republican party has turned into a social party for christians who are too coward to do God’s work as an individual or within the church body
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:46pm
  soybomb315_II, fact is, many people are tired of others pretending that the abnormal are normal, then setting policy based on that false premise.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:51pm
  @the-jerk
  of course. But i think our problems as a country are much bigger than that. Jesus never talked about using roman or sadducee laws to fix the immorality of his time
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:02pm
  He surely did talk about the Pharisee’s law.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:10pm
  yea, thats why they liked him so much….
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:41pm
  Soy, looks like nothing has changed.
  
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- Chazael
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:55pm
  @soybomb315_II
  Jesus did not come to fix the laws of that time (or today) for immorality or any reason.
  
  That does not equate to anything resembling support for those governments or laws.
  
  In fact His support for governments is the opposite of immoral laws (Rom 13:1-4). Governments with immoral laws just means they are immoral governments (notice nothing said about Christ’s saving truth, but rather truth about creation). Good for Christians personally (give to God) is to not take one’s own revenge (Rom 12:19). Good for governing authorities is to be an avenger against those who practice evil (Rom 13:4). Those laws which governments have that are against this, are evil, and will be punished. Governments which try to mix the two, giving to Caesar what is God’s, will be held accountable.
  
  You do not have to voice an opinion, you do not have to vote. But if you do, if you are a Christian, it will match up with the same Spirit that says “sin no more”.
  
  As a Christian I am not trying to change the world, this country, or even my city… because I know it will not happen, nor is that what we are commanded to do. But I uphold Christ in my voice, vote, living and then look around and see what God is doing. But my message doesn’t change because of laws, polls, or the situation. We are supposed to be light in darkness; by necessity our voice will be against the darkness, otherwise we aren’t actually light.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:08pm
  @Chazael
  If christians demanded politicians be as obedient to the Constitution as they want them to be for the Bible…..Then we would not be having this discussion
  
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- termyt
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:32pm
  Soy, your argument would have more weight if we were actually talking about prohibiting homosexual lifestyles or unions. We are not. All we are talking about is a government recognized contract. Homosexuals can form unions – even legally binding ones if they wish. They just can’t have a Marriage License for them.
  
  Many Conservatives, and not just Christians, do not feel it is in our society’s best interest in normalizing unions that are less beneficial to the raising of future generations.
  
  The only unions that are illegal in this country or polygamist ones.
  
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- imperative
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:43pm
  @Soy…
  
  The new Republican way of supporting gay marriage is to have the government endorse it. In other words, it’s an expansion of government from merely interfering in heterosexual marriage to now interfering into additional types of relationships.
  
  I’m opposed to gay marriage, but I’m also opposed to government involvement in our personal lives. As such, I would resist a political party that “supports” gay marriage in the sense of broadening the reach of government into that area.
  
  So it’s not about wanting government to fix a moral problem… it’s about wanting them to keep out of it entirely.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:50pm
  My two cents, the government’s only legitimate roles are as follows,
  
  Courts
  
  Appointing lawyers
  
  The military
  
  and
  
  The patent office
  
  Anything else is unnecessary
  
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- Native54
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:03pm
  Why can’t Progress-a-tarians (Half Progressive and Libertarian) and RINO republicans see what happens to civilization when homosexuality is embraced and codified into law? No advanced civilization has EVER equated same-sex relationships with opposite gender relationships. The fall of the Roman Empire was enhanced by an inner rot and decay of the culture and society. Once sexual boundaries have been breached, then what argument can be given for denying any other aberrant sexual behavior the same validation and recognition? And we see a prime example of that ever coarsening and decay of the culture with the recent Yale sex survey that has begun the thought process for validation of bestiality and incest. The Proff’s point … Compassion should be shown to those who engage in sexual diversity. Coming soon … Pedophilia anyone? And we see the ground work being laid for that with members from the APA holding a conference to discuss removing pedophilia from the mental disorder list. Just as the APA did with homosexuality. The new term is “minor attracted” persons. WAKE UP LIBERTARIANS!!! GLENN!!! There’s a difference between Liberty and License.
  
  B4U-ACT.org: Seeking acceptance for “minor attracted person” and pedophiles
  
  Revealed: Yale hosts sex workshops where students admit to bestiality, incest fantasies and prostitution
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 7:48pm
  @Chazael
  
  “Jesus did not come to fix the laws of that time (or today) for immorality or any reason.”
  
  He did come to clarify, however. We’re clearly told, for example in Matthew 19:8, that Moses had it wrong: Christ clarifies that the only marriage sanctioned by God is between one man and one woman. He says that, although Moses allowed divorce, from the beginning it was not that way. Moses had it wrong. Christ sets us straight.
  
  Christ > Moses.
  
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- Small World
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 10:18pm
  Amen! Go to you tube and watch The Truth about the Sodomites.
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on March 9, 2013 at 3:45pm
  @2Amend
  ” When are these stinking RINO’s going to understand they are in reality, Dem’s?”
  
  About 10 minutes after we *fire* them.
  
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shorelineliz
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:39pm
@Ghost:

@Liz

Nobody thinks paying for the choices of others is correct. That’s not the point. The point is, that the Left (including some of the clearly not-Right columnists at the Blaze) continually toss you red meat for you to tear into with moral indignation, all the while keeping you distracted from the actual real harm being done. Or better put, did the election of 2012 boil down to a national referrendum on “gay marriage” or were there bigger issues at play? Hint: bigger issues.
You’re being played and controlled. It’s fine to oppose on moral grounds, homosexuality. It’s quite another thing to routinely and predictably drop all other topics in order to scream at the sky about it.
When you learn self control, you defeat the enemy. But not a moment sooner.”

@Ghost:
And what are those BIGGER ISSUES pray tell that I am not looking at? what are you being “played” about by ignoring this one. I could say the same thing about you. what do you know of my self control? I can assure you Ghost. I do know how to take down an enemy. I have done it plenty. I am a Marine Corps Mom. I am Jimmy Hoffas daughter. I am the daughter of a WWII combat Veteran who fought HItler and Hirohito. I have counted more “coup” than you ever will. It is unwise to underestimate my power. Most people who have basically limped away. Penniless and wondering what in the hell happened to them. I have taken down CEO’s of companies. And others.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:04pm
  If you’re Hoffa’s daughter you surely are educated in communism… Workers’ Compensation, and Chief Counsel of the Division of Civil Disability and Workers Rights. You serve a real political chameleon in Chris Koster.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:19pm
  Didn’t Hoffa pull some strings during WWII? He didn’t serve.
  
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- Apophis77
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:35pm
  Im Gen. Patton’s third cousin’s son-in-law!
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:17pm
  What do I know of your self control?
  
  Well, you clearly immediately respond to the psychological manipulation that you are meant to, thus ensuring that anything being focused on currently can be diverted by saying the word “Gay”. You also seem to have a pechant for being related to most people in history, which some niggling little voice tells me may be a bit of colorful interpretation at best. That’s a fully passion laden emotional response you’ve provided. It’s pretty clear you can be strung along easily and with only a few simple words now. Please, and I mean this, learn to fight the conditioning you’ve been taught.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:35pm
  Wow Shorelinz- arrogant much? You’re entire response to Ghost seemed like smut and arrogance. I don’t believe a word of it. Watch I can do it too.
  
  I am the Dark Lord of the Sith. I have taken down Republics, rebellions, Jedi and even star systems. I can tell the sun to block out on a moment’s notice. I have destroyed my superiors and enslaved my inferiors. Those who look upon me fear me for I am death itself.
  
  A bit of an exaggeration but also quite arrogant.
  
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- carbonyes
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:47pm
  On second thought, did you fall off the shoreline while you were tripping along? A bit concerned.
  
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termyt
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:39pm
Illinois has a Republican Party?

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- Rowgue
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:10pm
  Not really. They just have a group of democrats that call themselves republicans to give the appearance of actual elections taking place.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:45pm
  Ba-zing.
  
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PeteOH
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:36pm
Chuck him! Out! No RINOS! I;m a disgusted Conservative and can’t believe the way we are letting the left dictate the narrative and put us on the defensive over the gay and other issues. Sissies!

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- neverending
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:39pm
  Amen to that one.
  
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shorelineliz
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:33pm
Gay as Mental Illness Voted OUT of DSM in 1974:

of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.

Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events. The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the change was prompted by research findings.

So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote! An interesting aspect of this is that homosexuality actually does meet the APA’s present criterion for a mental illness! The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense. DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:51pm
  Dr. Robert L. Spitzer, head of the APA Task Force on Nomenclature and Statistics and principle author of the revision back in 1974, conceded that the change came under political pressure from the gay liberation movement. No science, purely political.
  
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- walnutportconservative
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:05pm
  The conservatives need to kick up a fuss. Where has the people of Christ’s Church been all the while since the seventies?
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:08pm
  Here is the apa deefinition
  
  A behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual That reflects an underlying psychobiological dysfunction The consequences of which are clinically significant distress (e.g., a painful symptom) or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning) Must not be merely an expectable response to common stressors and losses (for example, the loss of a loved one) or a culturally sanctioned response to a particular event (for example, trance states in religious rituals) That is not primarily a result of social deviance or conflicts with society
  
  This list is very broad and could be seen to include thing lkke being a member of the tea party if you use the words “correctly”
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:08pm
  walnutportconservative, too many of it’s leaders were/are gay.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:15pm
  Great post SHORELINELIZ….
  Dr Charles Socarides also worked to get this information out to an ignorant public.
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:18pm
  The jerk…. “no science purely political” ….. you could equally say that gay got labled as a mental illness for purely political reasons… i think peoples morality has much more to do with what gets labled as a disorder than people like to admit. i also think that if a person can take care of themselves without hirting others or themselves andnot on medication they shouldnt be labled mentally ill.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:38pm
  COMFORTEAGLE…there is absolutely NO genetic or physiological pointer to homosexuality. NONE.
  The “Gay Gene” was debunked in the mid nineties.
  The “Gay Brain” has also been debunked. The simple fact that the very variations it’s proponents say exist in homosexual brains also exist in strict heterosexual brains.
  Now tell me why it’s a physical state again?
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:45pm
  comforteagle, boys have a thing. Girls do not. Each serve a biological function. Boys to boys and girls to girls serve no biological function. Developmental aberration. This is scientific fact. Not opinion.
  
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- carbonyes
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:23pm
  SHORELINELIZ,
  Madam you are 100% correct. You speak Truth and truer words were never spoken. There are many who make their appearances to post on this site and they are blinded and know not the Truth. Many of them it is almost not worth the time to expose them to the Truth except that who knows if they might not receive a crack in their seemingly impervious skull and the Truth might find an entrance their in. Appreciate your wisdom, knowledge and understanding.
  
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- catty
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:44pm
  Do you cut and paste this response to every article? I haven’t seen it on the field goal kicker yet.
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 9:33pm
  Avengerk…. i never said it was a physical state. try reading what i wrote… i said its not a mental disorder. you and i should agree we both believe it is not somthing that is physicaly right or wrong it is just a sexual orientation.
  
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RAMJR
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:33pm
Chicago? Ha! Give me a break!

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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:32pm
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I think we need to infiltrate the Democratic Party just like they have the GOP……

It won’t be long until the GOP is the Gay Old Party…..

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- neverending
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:41pm
  That is the sad truth!
  
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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:31pm
You can call it whatever you want, EXCEPT marriage. Marriage is already taken. It has a meaning. You cannot change it. It becomes something else. That means marriage ceases to exist as the Institution it has always been. This has nothing to do with gay rights. This has to do with dividing people into “bases” that oppose each other, aka (COMMUNITY ORGANIZING). It is a political ploy and an attack. It doesn’t even represent homosexuals at large. It’s ridiculous.
Ask yourself: If you have to clarify when you say my wife, or my husband, whether they are a man or a woman – IT AIN’T MARRIAGE!

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- s_usa_n
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:41pm
  just call it a “bum deal.”
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:07pm
  @Ghandi was a Republican
  
  You can continue to think of marriage in that way, allowing gays to get married won’t affect how you see marriage. You can continue to view marriage and see gay marriages as illegitimate. However, under the law, because gays are not given the same privileges as those who are straight, i.e., marriage and the benefits that come along with it.
  
  Allowing gays to get married won’t stop you from hating gays and seeing them as vermin; it will, however, allow them to be treated equally under the law.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:10pm
  @S_USA_N
  
  “just call it a “bum deal.””
  
  Ha! That made me crack up!
  
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- walnutportconservative
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:11pm
  Why can’t they change the definition of marriage? They have changed the word “Gay”
  They stole the image God intended for us, to be a reminder to the covenant that He made with man, that he would never again flood the earth. Remember? The Rainbow.
  Shame on these liers. They are perverted self serving queers.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:39pm
  @Godfather,
  They don’t want equality under the law they want to force their lifestyle on normal people. They want to indoctrinate children in school into twisted deviant sexual practices. If you want equality under the law then get government completely out of marriage. Let private individuals determine what is and is not to be acceptable. Have the government only recognize civil contracts of co-mingling of personal assets. Eliminate it from the tax code.
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:59pm
  @Cavallo
  
  That would be perfectly fine if all government got out of the marriage business and simply recognized all as civil unions. However, it would then have to recognize civil unions between heterosexual couples and homosexual couples as one and the same. (Of course, they would also have to recognize man and goat, too, because that is the obvious fight that will come next.)
  
  They want to force their “deviant lifestyle” on you. How so? By letting everyone know that they are normal people that just happen to have different love interests?
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:50pm
  @Godfather, by using the threat of death from the state to force businesses to cater to them, to force private institutions to cater and associate with them, to force children to accept them as normal as dictated to by the State. They don’t want equity under the law, they want force, indoctrination, and subjugation.
  The next fight will be over child sex, and incest. NAMBLA is already beginning to lobby the APA about removing pedophilia from it’s lists of disorders, and hosting widely publicized forums on the subject.
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:36pm
  @Cavallo
  
  Threat of death? What are you talking about? And as far as preventing discrimination goes, I guess you must also believe that the government forced people to accept blacks and other minorities and that they should still be considered a lower class.
  
  Nothing prevents you from telling your kids that gays are second class citizens and that there should be separate facilities for gays. However, under the law, everyone must be treated equally, which includes gays.
  
  If you truly believe homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing, you have serious issues. One is between two consenting adults, the other is not — big effing difference that makes one legal and the other not.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:44pm
  Many gay leaders want to keep government in the business of marriage, and I can see why. They have felt which way the wind is blowing, and know that the people, the majority of us, do not approve of their lifestyle.
  
  (Their campaign would never have pummeled through as far as it has today if not for a few very pragmatic leaders. I have to hand it to them)
  
  And so having big brother proclaim their agenda as higher than others is their only solution to get what they want. What that is exactly, I’m still not sure. Only 2% of gays say they want to marry, and even less actually go through with it where they are able to. So we’re wasting all this time and treasure on a fraction of a fraction?
  
  If you were for gay marriage, you’d want it to be legislated as such. Without the parchment barrier, only San Francisco and certain dens in New York and Massachusetts would embrace their lifestyle. Or keep doing so.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:04pm
  Godfather, what about the 1st Amendment? Will churches still be able to practice their “hateful” doctrine of sin? Will that be ok with you? I mean, you are the Godfather. Surely you have the answers… You’re quite interesting because you pose as a Conservative (maybe Libertarian) to try to justify why you’re ok with same-sex marriage but then your whole position exposes who you are. You’re just as bad as the leftists. You’re trying to malign, slander, and marginalize those who still respect the 1st Amendment. Last time I checked gays were never enslaved or firebombed where they slept or worshipped. This is not a Civil Rights issue no matter how much you try to make it so.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:05pm
  @Godfather,
  Oh, wait.. you can equate a deviant sexual lifestyle with the emergence of pigmentation in the skin, but comparing one deviant sexual lifestyle with another deviant sexual lifestyle is verboten? Who really has the effing problem?
  
  But let’s go back to the basic premise here, which is government force.
  The only authority government has is to murder you. If you do not pay your taxes, the government comes to take your freedom or property. Refuse to allow them to take your freedom or property and they murder you. Every law passed is backed with that authority of causing death upon you should you not comply with their wishes. This is why I want as minimalist a government as possible. I want government out of marriage. The only thing they should recognize is contract law. Two or more people have agreed to co-mingle personal assets. That’s the end of it. No force of recognition of relationship, or special treatment. If you want to carry on a BDSM lifestyle, fine. Want to have a communal group family home, fine. Don’t use the government and their force to threaten me or my livelihood to accept your fetishes and proclivities as normal.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:13pm
  Cavallo, he has no response because he’s been exposed. He really believes that we don’t have the freedom of conscience. He elevates himself above us as some “enlightened” “open-minded” person. He’s just like the rest of the leftists. No real substance. Only intolerance and disdain for those who disagree with them. There I said it!
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:27pm
  @Classical_Liberal
  
  I don’t think you understand how the First Amendment works. You can have whatever views you want and preach to whomever you want. However, that does not shield you from criticism for those views. You seem to disapprove of the fact that I am vocalizing my position that your hatred of gays is an outdated, intolerant viewpoint. Based upon your logic, that must mean you don’t like the First Amendment because it allows me to say that to you.
  
  Also, there is nothing wrong with churches continuing to exist and preaching whichever viewpoint to which they subscribe. Churches don’t have to recognize a gay marriage, but churches are different from the state and a state can’t treat one group differently than another.
  
  Try to rationalize it all you want, this is a civil rights issue, and clearly you are trying to marginalize the violence and discrimination gays have endured. But, it is a civil rights issue because it is a certain group of people that enjoy fewer rights than the rest of us.
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:31pm
  @Cavallo
  
  You don’t have to accept it as normal. You just can’t prevent another group from enjoying the same rights as you. You can choose to believe whatever you want, i.e., that gays and pedophiles are the same.
  
  Again, if you really believe homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing, you have a few screws loose.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:46pm
  Got ya upset huh Godfather? You seem to not understand that giving this sacred minority that you are now championing the “right” to marry (it’s not a right by the way) is going to undermine the church. This is absolutely not a Civil Rights issue. They are not being told to use separate water fountains or that they can only sit on the gay side of a restaurant. This is absurd.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:49pm
  Because they have been at the receiving end of violence (which is minimal at best) does not mean that they have a free pass to the front of the line. They have the same rights as I do. They live a deviant lifestyle and now I have to be called a “hater” for not agreeing that they should undermine my freedom of conscience and religious rite protected under the 1st Amendment? Get a grip.
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:08pm
  @Classical_Liberal
  
  Please explain how granting gays the right to marry would “undermine the Church?”
  
  Gays do not have the same rights as you or I, unless they live in a select few states, they cannot marry the person they love; they cannot marry the person of their choosing. Thus, the law is creating a distinction and creating different laws for different sets of people. That is a civil rights issue.
  
  You don’t have a right to a freedom of conscience. Nothing in the Constitution protects you from being offended. Again, you clearly don’t understand how the First Amendment works. How does gays being allowed to get married prevent you from practicing your religion? Allowing someone to do something your religion forbids does not infringe on your freedom of religion. You are free to believe and preach whatever you want.
  
  According to most religions, living as a homosexual is a sin. Explain then, why the simple fact that gays are allowed to live does not infringe on your freedom of religion and your “freedom of conscience”?
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:37pm
  At the moment it means that I don’t have to accept their lifestyle. Actually, here in MA it’s getting bad already since it was legalized ten years ago. I’ve already seen the intolerance toward Christianity rising in my state. This issue is so divisive. Once it becomes a federal law then the real hate will rise towards the “haters” like me. It will be taught in schools and children will have to accept it or be punished. Trust me, it’s coming. Maybe not tomorrow but it’s coming.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:46pm
  And once more it’s not a right.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:52pm
  Why should they be allowed to change the definition of a word that has had the same meaning for millennia? The Civil Rights Movement didn’t wish to re-educate people with language. It sought to recognize self-evident truths. Blacks couldn’t even walk down certain streets without dire consequences. They weren’t seen as human beings. I have worked with gay people in almost every job that I’ve had. I don’t treat them any differently than I do anyone else. I just don’t accept their sexual orientation personally. I have that freedom. It doesn’t mean that they have any less rights than I do. We can eat in the same place. We can work in the same place. We can drink water at the same place. You really have to re-examine the Civil Rights era and Jim Crow.
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:25pm
  @Classical_Liberal
  
  Someone call the wambulance! You are afraid that others will be intolerant of you because you are intolerant of them. Let’s pull out the violins.
  
  Just because someone can eat at the same table as you and drink from the same fountain as you does not mean that hey have the rights as you. How do you not understand that? You can still marry the person you love but they cannot. That means the law treats different groups differently, something the Fourteenth Amendment is supposed to protect against.
  
  Kids must accept it or be punished? Meaning that they won’t be able to beat up the gaywad anymore?
  
  Words are redefined all that time. At one point, a certain group of people were not considered to be citizens even though they were born in this country. We changed that definition though, didn’t we?
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:52pm
  Typical relativism and hatred. You twist words to your own desire. You do the work of evil when you do such things. Tolerance and acceptance are not the same thing. You sir need a dictionary. Also, you don’t get this. I tolerate gays on a daily basis but do they tolerate my Christianity? They scoff at the cross and even want it removed from the tops of churches! You sir are vile.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 6:54pm
  Do you not think that I have been persecuted for being a Christian? Well, you only care when it fits your agenda. It doesn’t fit into the leftist’s brain to defend Christians because you stand for immorality. I would defend a gay person’s right to life and liberty, but don’t ask me for an endorsement. IS THAT CLEAR YOU FASCIST?
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 7:02pm
  You build your logic on quick sand. You try to put forth premises based on fact and then you retreat to feelings. They should be allowed to marry whom they love? So polygamy is cool? So can we then change that definition to “they should be allowed to marry what they love”? You play with language. Marriage is much more than being with someone that you have feelings for. It’s a union that only God ordains. “Let no man separate what God has brought together.” Trust me, God has no part in your perverse “union”.
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 7:11pm
  @Classical_Liberal
  
  Uh oh. Throwing around the F word now are we?
  
  Please point to one statement I made that you believe is a fascist statement. Funny that every time I respond to your statements, instead of defending your position you just bring up a different point.
  
  Persecuted as a Christian? Considering the majority of Americans in the U.S. are Christian I find it a little hard to believe you have been persecuted. But, prove me wrong, tell me about your “persecution.”
  
  It’s also funny that you are immediately so defensive about Christianity when I have not said one thing bad about Christianity. You just assume that because I say that gays deserve the same rights as others that I somehow hate Christians.
  
  Since you still haven’t answered, how would allowing gays to marry infringe on your freedom of religion and your “freedom of conscience” (something which is no protected, by the way).
  
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- Godfather.1
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 7:21pm
  @Classical_Liberal
  
  Yes, because the clear logical extension of two people of the same sex marrying is someone marrying a tree or a goat. You forget that marriage requires two consenting adults, something which a tree and a goat are not. Polygamy? Sure, why not? Does it harm you? I thought conservatives are all about freedom and no government interference. If the government doesn’t allow gays and polygamists to get married, it is just infringing on freedom, right?
  
  If gays are allowed to marry, you can still view marriage as something ordained by God and see their marriage as invalid. That is very different than the state viewing it that way. You seem to have a very hard time differentiating what the state can do and you can do. According to the Bible, God also ordains a woman as a man’s property. Should we still follow that?
  
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shorelineliz
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:30pm
In Other News:

The “gay” Illinois Republican Party Chairman absolutely denied, “I did not squeeze the Charmin! I did not! That is a dam lie! I did not squeeze the Charmin!”

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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:44pm
  Behavioral Genetics and Civil Rights
  In an effort to affect public policy and gain acceptance, the assertion often is made that homosexuals deserve equal rights just as other minority groups—and should not be punished for, or forbidden from, expressing their homosexuality. The fight for the acceptance of homosexuality often is compared to “civil rights” movements of racial minorities. Due to America’s failure to settle fully the civil rights issue (i.e., full and equal citizenship of racial minorities), social liberals, feminists, and homosexual activists were provided with the perfect “coat tail” to ride to advance their agenda. Using this camouflage of innate civil liberties, homosexual activists were able to divert attention away from the behavior, and focus it on the “rights.”
  
  The argument goes like this: “Just as a person cannot help being black, female, or Asian, I cannot help being homosexual. We were all born this way, and as such we should be treated equally.” However, this argument fails to comprehend the true “civil rights” movements. The law already protects the civil rights of everyone—black, white, male, female, homosexual, or heterosexual. Homosexuals enjoy the same civil rights everyone else does. The contention arises when specific laws deprive all citizens of certain behaviors (e.g., sodomy, etc.). We should keep in mind that these laws are the same for all members of society. http://www.trueorigin.org
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:16pm
  Good work SHORELINELIZ.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:43pm
  if you can show me where in the bible jesus said the role of government is to prevent sin or where in the constitution it says government has the authority to prevent individual decisions…..then i would not object
  
  It seems civil unions should be completely legal for everyone everywhere in america – i dont know if the christian right has agreed on that. The best thing you could say is “civil unions for gay people and marriage for straight people”….But really, does that merit being one of the most important issues of today? It seems the average “conservative” has been whipped up into a frenzy by 20 years of blowhard media.
  
  Our country has gotten so far into debt and so many tyrannical leaders and laws and the “conservatives” continue to pursue the christian utopia…..
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:20pm
  Soy, I know that you mean well, but you’re really missing the whole point here. I respect what you’re saying so please don’t take this as an attack. The issue is not about the regulation of certain behaviors. This is the line that the leftists use to attack us on the right. The issue is about freedom of conscience. It’s a 1st Amendment issue. If they have legally bound and recognized marriages under U.S. law they have to be recognized by everyone. Every church will have to accept this behavior. It empowers the gay agenda and undermines the church. Is that too much of a Christian utopia for you because that seems like a fundamental right of any religion to reserve the freedom to preach any doctrine that it pleases.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:37pm
  that is a straw man argument and i disagree with it. You dont have to be in a church to get married. And as churches are private institutions, no pastor can be forced to marry someone just like no pastor can be forced to baptize someone. The agenda of the conservatives should be made out of reason and not fear
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:51pm
  Oh really? Look at what happened at Sandy Hook. A crazy kid shoots up the school and now responsible citizens are being told that they shouldn’t have 10 bullets in a magazine clip. C’mon Soy…it’s not fear. This is the reality of our society. I showed you respect and you are now disrespecting me by accusing me of fear mongering.
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:54pm
  I’ve heard of self-hating Jews but now it seems that the self-hating Christians have emerged.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:08pm
  i really dont see the parallel between gay marriage and gun control. If it is out-of-control government that you are talking about – then i suggest we have bigger fish to fry. And with respect to you being ‘disrespected’, i think you are being overly defensive as i did not say anything about you personally
  
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- Classical_Liberal
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:40pm
  I am not fear mongering. And again, by saying that I’m being overly defensive you seek to undermine my opinion again. There’s one thing to disagree but to say that I’m driven by fear is another thing. And you don’t see the parallel with the 2nd Amendment here? Really? Let’s see, the 1st Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights and…wait for it….the 2nd Amendment is too! Got it now?
  
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Gonzo
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:28pm
I think the SCOTUS is going to make this issue a moot point soon anyway. My guess is that most Republican politicians are praying for just that.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:19pm
  I’m not that sure GONZO. State rights are a vital factor in this. Even with Roberts’ weird Obamacare decision, he made sure the commerce clause wasn’t stretched and morphed into being unrecognizable and protected states’ rights against Obamacare. We’ll see.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:44pm
  SCOTUS mandated legal abortion in all states, Obamacare… I hope you’re right, but I think it’s coming.
  
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s_usa_n
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:28pm
Do ya think maybe the Chairman could be expected to agree with the committee that he chairs, or is this too much to ask? So he is good at raising money, so is Obama, maybe he would chair for the GOP. The means justifies the end? Can we at least be consistant. If it is all about the “big tent” then why have a platform. Same thing happening to our churches, just not popular to make a stand founded on values. Sad.

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SUMTHINSTINKS
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:25pm
This entire discussion continues to set a BAD precedent. It’s sickening that the media, as well as both political parties, want to tell us what’s WRONG and what’s RIGHT. To support something so fundamentally WRONG is disgusting. Gay Marriage is WRONG! Anybody that believes it is not a CHOICE is WRONG! Telling our children the lifestyle is RIGHT is WRONG! If the political parties want to push this agenda upon us because they believe that 3% of the population deserves more ENTITLEMENTS because of their sexual orientation….They’re WRONG! Too many people have become BRAINWASHED into believing that this lifestyle is normal. IT’S NOT NORMAL! There’s not a thing you can say in this world that will ever make me believe that it’s RIGHT or NORMAL! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

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- encinom
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:28pm
  You realize that your belief in a collection of goat herder myths is not the law in the US and your belief that you can force others to live by it is WRONG.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:30pm
  It is biologically abnormal. And, society has no obligation to promote, protect, or legitimize anything abnormal.
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:31pm
  Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association:
  
  According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.
  
  Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.
  
  What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific br
  
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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:36pm
  Encicommie thinks the oldest texts ever discovered are a myth of goat herders. What does this tell you about encicommie? An infatuation with goats….
  
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- SUMTHINSTINKS
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:38pm
  @ENCINOM or whatever your stupid name is today…..It’s got nothing to do with so called Goat Herder Myths. It’s simply got to do with something called Common Sense. Something I’ve noticed you don’t have much of. Especially since you continue to push your GAY agenda all over this website. Personally, I think you and all of your little GAY friends should go find someplace to share your disgusting lifestyle so that the rest of us don’t have to hear anything about it. Live your life how you choose…Yet don’t PUSH your beliefs on me JERK!
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:41pm
  “paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable” I guess that’s why the left wants to legalize pot.
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:46pm
  Thejerk…. lets follow your logic that society shouldnt support anything abnormal. well most people in america support gay marrage so your opinion/choice is abnormal. lets not legitamize people with mental illness because they are abnormal. its not the “normal” group that needs protection because they have the majority in a democracy.
  
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- TheIggies
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:54pm
  Prove that gay marriage is wrong, not using the Bible. Oh, and you can’t point to science or nature, either, because they don’t give a damn about what is right or wrong. They lack human morality. Go on. I’ll wait here while you don’t have anything to say ever.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:07pm
  comforteagle, did you make a point there somewhere in that ramble? And, we are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:27pm
  THEIGGIES…you’re exactly the kind of hysterical, hateful, homosexual advocate that SHORELINELIZ is alluding to here.
  Your demand for “proof” that homosexual marriage is a wrong thing..then proceed to take away all the avenues by which to prove it. In other words you’re saying….Tell me why steak tastes like steak and not chickn but without telling me about the the way the brain and the tongue work when eating food.
  
  Here’s a clue champ. 64% of new HIV cases each year in the US are attributed to homosexuals. These homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population. That’s an over-respresentation of more then 2000%. This isn’t the bible I’m quoting..it’s the Center for Disease Control. To add…homosexuals also see higher rates of depression, drug use and STD’s. In fact…we’re seeing the growth of drug resistant gonhorrea among homosexual males here in the US. Irony of ironies..that also makes them more susceptible to HIV infection.
  Furthermore…there is absolutely NO genetic pointer to homosexuality. There is no phsysiological pointer to homosexuality. The “gay gene” doesn’t exist it was debunked in the mid nineties. The “gay brain” doesn’t exist. The same variations occur within strict heterosexuals.
  It’s a mental condition that developes in only human beings.
  Why do you want to deny these people a chance to understand their minds?
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:46pm
  Thejerk… i didnt make a point, i simply drew your point out to its logical conclusion. after that i hoped you would see your flaw… you dont think that every abnormal group should not be legitimized or protected; you just have a problem with the gay group getting those benifits. lumping all abnormalities doesnt work
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:46pm
  It’s not a matter of legitmizing a mental state COMFORTEAGLE…it’s a matter of normalizing the abnormal to give the veneer of normalcy thus allowing society to deceive itself. Furthermore, Gay Inc. will not stop at Federal ratification of homosexual marriage. They will then proceed to use “discrimination” to silence any dissent against their agenda, including religious institutions. At that point they are infringing on real and actual rights, not the imaginary ones asserted by homosexual advocates. Gay Inc is a feral, hyper-litigious hate group that suffers no contrary views to it’s agenda. This is not speculation, it’s fact because they’re doing it right now.
  Case in point..the suit to force eHarmony to include homosexuals on it’s site. The CEO caved and created a new site just for them. But in fact….there is a bounty of dating sites and sites that cater to anonymous, no-strings sex for homosexuals all over the internet. There was absolutely no need to force eHarmony to accomodate their agenda..they already had plenty of sites that cater to their “needs”. Yet…they sued just the same.
  Thanks for playing champ.
  
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- carbonyes
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:14pm
  COMFORTEAGLE and ENCINOM,
  Look like you had get your heads out of your hind ends. Comfort eagle in your case your lack of reason, knowledge and facts is quite obvious. A majority does not normal make. In fact just because you happen to follow the tune of the Pied Piper, who is leading you off the cliff does not mean that the more knowledgeable and astute are followers of ignorance and going to follow you and your blinded cohorts off the cliff. In case you don’t believe there is a Heaven and a God that rules there, don’t worry, you’ll never see it, but you will see Hell and there is no admittance charge. Your ignorance, stupidity and failure to acknowledge the Truth will assure you of admittance. You will not like it when yo get there. You see, numbers neither guarantee normality nor necessarily line up with the Truth. In fact it is almost invariably the reverse. In case you haven’t figured it out yet, there is absolutely nothing normal about the gay lifestyle. The gay community can scream, holler, jump up and down, dance the jig and spit nails. Result? Still the same, an abnormal, degenerate abhorrent lifestyle still remains, and guess what? It is an abomination to God and any right thinking individual. Clue number two, liberals are not right thinking individuals, and the ones who don’t practice homosexuality but condone it and promote it, they will have an adjoining suite in Hell. Except there is no thermostatic control and its very, very hot.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:23pm
  @carbonyes
  
  Guess what, your myths have no place in limiting the freedoms of those that couldn’t give a rat’s arse. You choose to live your life according to an out dated book, is your choose. Do not use the secular law to enforce your religious beliefs on others.
  
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GreggC
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:24pm
Why wait until Saturday… do it today!!!!

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okieqt
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:18pm
I think we’ve lost sight of the fact that you can have personal opinions all day long, but the bottom line is that you were elected to represent a group of people. You need to be concerned about their opinions and values and assure that they are represented properly.

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- 702TruthSeeker
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:26pm
  it’s not about representing the entire group of people or even the majority. this issue has been voted on in many states and was cast down time and time again. This is about destroying a sacred institution that gets in the way of government control, the only way to destroy it is to make it seem worthless and pervert what it stands for
  
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- RIDEMODELS
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:28pm
  I revoke my vote for John Mcain…..
  
  Hugo Chavez blames this president……Iran blames this president……North Korea blames this president…….This president is running out of other countries to give money to……Patriots dont care about boot lickers and its not a money thing…..If the president was smart then he might try and make amends to the Patriots who care about this country and the Constitution.
  
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- Ghandi was a Republican
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:34pm
  Opinions are opinions. But alinsky radicals have no valid opinions. Are we to say they have standing? No we are not. You don’t allow children, or the socially retarded to run society. that is ridiculous. And if an alinsky radical ever speaks of an ‘opinion’ or a right to ‘an opinion’, you can laugh them off. They are illegitimate, to put it kindly.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:18pm
Remember how Glenn Beck called libertarians “Nazis and facists” because they don’t like some of his positions?

Apparently Illinois republican leadership is full of “nazis and facists” because they dont agree with this guy on every single issue. If Glenn Beck applauds this story instead of being upset about it – he is a hypocrite

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- Fubared
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:27pm
  You should invite him over for Saturday night beer and chicken summit, Tofu style.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:45pm
  FUBARED, Really, considering that Glenn claims to be a Liberterian now.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:42pm
  fubared – i dont think glenn drinks beer
  
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- Fubared
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:30pm
  O’Dooles man with cat nip instead of weed…
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 4:38pm
  Well I would agree with you Soy. I think the Republicans have bigger fish to fry even if I don’t agree with the leader’s position. But again, I would see to it that you point those guns of yours not at Beck but at Obama and his progressive machine unless of course you really are trying to help Beck become a better person.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:12pm
  DLV – it is not really about beck because he is who he is. But his listeners are impressionable. If the republicans are the answer, the average republican voter will have to become stronger if they are to beat the progressive machine
  
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woodyee
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:17pm
‘Bout time Repubs start casting out those that are willing to compromise and exchange right for wrong.

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- gyro
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:25pm
  waves finger at woodyee —
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:43pm
  Why, Gyro?
  
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- gyro
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:36pm
  gosh why did you have to ask ?
  This is complicated
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  ‘Bout time Repubs start casting out those that are willing to compromise and exchange right for wrong
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  everyone has the god given write to be who they are no mater how nutty it is to others
  Excluding different people from a group because they have a different look on life is not alowing them to be as they precieve them selves to be
  the gop should have limits and guide lines and be strong in the beliefs they practice BUT open to new thinking
  go way back in history you find realy perverted stuff and realy nutty stuff and good people always fix it out over time
  Hm
  like making butter
  spin it around add lots of stuff and the crap gets scraped off the top
  
  You have to let the unconforming express them selves so you can be stronger in your values then when they see the light you are there to explain it to them
  
  That didnt help at all did it?
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:12pm
  gosh why did you have to ask ?
  
  Because I care! Thanks!
  
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- gyro
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:24pm
  Woodyee we all care that is why we post
  and read the blaze
  :)
  
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riseandshine
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:12pm
That’s good.

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- RIDEMODELS
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:23pm
  This is why the Blaze has the REAL news….Not Fluff…. Like I said….Eric Holder can cobble together a a group of Broadway Fairies and Crispy Kream can lead the Merry Men into battle….Since the true Patriots out here are nothing more than Drone Targets.
  
  Chavez blames the US for his cancer…….Iran has turned against the US……North Korea has turned on the US…….Our Gay president needs to try to make amends with the Patriots in this country because once all the money is gone, the Boot Lickers will turn on the hand that fed them…..Patriots take care of Patriots, to the Patriots its about country and not money…..Time to act like an American Mr. Marsh-Mellow Balls…..
  
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702TruthSeeker
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:12pm
ahh, yes, the most important issue facing Illinois and our nation today is whether or not two biologically incompatible individuals who perform sexual acts on each other can pretend to be married and have a family. I thought these progressives were all about Darwin and evolution? If being gay is biological, explain how evolution has not wiped out those biological traits? And if it’s only psychological, then why should it not be ok for someone to marry multiple people, animals, or relatives, or random objects? And what about bisexuals, shouldn’t they be allowed to marry multiple individuals? I know, nothing but hate speech.. throw me in jail now..

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- Calm Voice of Reason
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:26pm
  Evolution is a bit more complicated than that. You will find several instances where an individual’s survival, and reproductive capabilities, are eschewed in favor of kin survival.
  
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- 702TruthSeeker
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:45pm
  So what you’re saying is that being gay is in fact biological and the reason why some people are gay is that nature is for some reason discouraging some people from reproducing? And those who are bisexual, I suppose those are the ones nature just isn’t sure about yet? That makes absolutely no sense, all species which have problems maintaining a healthy population (either because of reproductive issues or environmental factors) end up becoming extinct. If nature was selectively making a subset of the population homosexual to keep their biological traits from being preserved, wouldn’t that subset of population seize to exist?
  
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vaman
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:12pm
The Republican party needs to remove itself from the hard core right christian movement. Radicals and fundamentalists have been the downfall of a once great party. Moderation is the answer and bible thumpers who high jacked the party will never understand that fact. The GOP is not dead yet, but will be soon if it relies on a group of people that continue to become socially and politically irrelevant. Embracing the inevitability of gay marriage is a start.

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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:22pm
  Why don’t you face the inevitability that people don’t care! okay? NONE of us care what the Republicans do! they are all RINOS! Old farts! John McCain, Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell are the equivalent of Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, Harry Reid and all the old LIBeral Farts in Congress. We don’t CARE about a group of Ineffectual and dysfunctional and can’t get anything done, and liars, and crooks, and got their big 169,000 salaries plus cadillac benefits. We don’t CARE about the CONGRESS at all. they are all a bunch of rich pr1cks! they have an 11 percent approval rating. NO one is looking to the Democrats or Republicans for leadership. Cause there ain’t none! This country is afloat and in the toilet!
  
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- carbonyes
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:49pm
  SPANKDAMONKEY,
  Sad but true that the gays overran the APA, the Federal and State governments, various agencies and associations and are now working on the Republican Party after inundating the Democratic Party. Aren’t they just lovely people? No, they are sick and have been since way back when.
  They have an agenda: to takeover, control and dominate any and all organisms of society and jam their aberrant lifestyle right down our throat. Their sick proclivity for male to male sex affects every aspect of their lives and therefore they can not make normal decisions because their reasoning capacity is all screwed up – kind of parallels liberal reasoning or lack of ability to so do.
  If you analyze the activities of pretty much any liberal in Congress as well as our dear President, they do not have the reasoning capacity to work out a viable solution to a problem when the other side is a conservative position, which in an overwelming majority of situations is reasonable – one if the main reasons Congress is always in a log jam. The liberal mind set has taken over the Democratic Party to the extreme.
  For validity to these thoughts and statements, please grab the book, The Liberal Mind:The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D., a doctor of forensic psychiatry with over 35 years of clinical practice. The book is available from Amazon and the doctor’s web site, http://www.libertymind.com
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:11pm
Is it just me, or does the photo accompanying the story look like an older college guy offering to give out free breast exams at a frat party?

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Cavallo
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:09pm
Too bad he doesn’t support divorcing government from marriage.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:32pm
  Aye. Unfortunately, people are too busy being distracted and screaming about what others do behind closed doors to pay that much heed. There are no slaves, but willing slaves, in the modern world. Given the absolute zeal with which people allow their opinions to be led and manipulated at will, well… brother, are there a lot of slaves around.
  
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:08pm
Now, let’s see what the base readership has learned over the last few months. Will they:

A) Recognize the throwing out of the word “gay!” in an article is a diversionary tactic that the Left uses to keep you at each others throats or

B) Start screaming ’bout ‘dem ****-sex-u-als and ensuring that the base keeps their focus off of the common enemy in the White House and Senate?

Some of the editorial choices for the Blaze strongly suggest that they’re here to keep folks divided. Just a hunch of course.

So what will it be? Reason and sanity, or more screaming about “gay!”?

It’s time to grow up folks, put on the big boy pants, and stay on target. Can you do it?

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- Fubared
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:14pm
  All for 5% or less of our population. Sad, and deviant on many levels. It appears uncle is going to open the borders via furlough, but let’s talk gays some more.
  http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/07/politics/customs-furloughs/index.html
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:19pm
  @ Ghost:
  
  1. scream about “gay” and keep the focus off White House and Congress.
  
  and, who do YOU think is making these “gay” policies? Did not Obama get his “advice’ from his two little girls? Is not he leading the charge with Holder in the Supreme Court to overturn DOMA? Do we not have drones about to attack US Citizens? How about the boyz in Afghanistan? Can’t we bring them home. What about taxed enough already? What about Obamacare? What is involved in Obamacare? Oh. Gay stuff. Like Chlamydia. Did you know it is OFF the charts with Lesbians? So, I am paying for what? How about AIDS/HIV covered ETERNALLY under Obamacare? I am paying for whose gay lifestyle choices now?
  
  Know what GHOST? I don’t want to PAY for a dam thing that results from people not being sexually responsible. I don’t want to pay for Chlamydia, HIV/AIDS, Abortions, birth control, smokers, alcoholics, drug abusers, or anyone else with MY TAX DOLLARS, okay?
  
  These people are SEXUALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
  
  And. Take this “megan has two mommies” and SHOVE IT! My grand daughter will learn that HER FATHERS SPERM and her MOTHER”S EGG created her! Booya!
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:29pm
  @Fubared
  
  Aye, and we can have any personal opinions of it we want. And you’re correct, it is being used as cover for actual real issues of importance. And you know why? Because it works.
  
  @Liz
  
  Nobody thinks paying for the choices of others is correct. That’s not the point. The point is, that the Left (including some of the clearly not-Right columnists at the Blaze) continually toss you red meat for you to tear into with moral indignation, all the while keeping you distracted from the actual real harm being done. Or better put, did the election of 2012 boil down to a national referrendum on “gay marriage” or were there bigger issues at play? Hint: bigger issues.
  
  You’re being played and controlled. It’s fine to oppose on moral grounds, homosexuality. It’s quite another thing to routinely and predictably drop all other topics in order to scream at the sky about it.
  
  When you learn self control, you defeat the enemy. But not a moment sooner.
  
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- resme
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:31pm
  @shore, You’ve lost track already. The real enemy is Government, Not Ghost, Fubared, Me, Or any other American.
  
  Hate the Government.
  
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- resme
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:38pm
  @ghost, Just gonna add ( not to steal your thunder, :) )
  
  I’ve Noticed that Articles on the blaze when pertaining to h-o-m-o-sexuality are usually commented on the most ( 500 comments or so ). When it comes to anything about the bill of rights, Welp… You got about 60 comments mostly from soy, justangry, east, monk, etc. (The rest of the comments are usually the ones attacking the people for being “concerned”)
  
  Just speculating — nothing more. I’ll get attacked for stating this :)
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:15pm
  @Resme
  
  “I’ve Noticed that Articles on the blaze when pertaining to h-o-m-o-sexuality are usually commented on the most ( 500 comments or so )”
  
  To be fair, my posts usually add up at least 50 or so too… when people want to bring sin and the Bible into play. Otherwise I usually don’t much care.
  
  Same thing here. The Republicans in Illinois want to campaign on anti-gay marriage? Fine. We know they’re not actually fiscal conservatives – this is just another example. And when they lose, they can blame it on the gays some more. And The Blaze will post an article on it, and people will get offended and say increasingly insane things, and The Blaze gets more views and more money.
  
  @Jefferson
  
  “It’s time to grow up folks, put on the big boy pants, and stay on target. Can you do it?”
  
  As always, one of the lone voices of true conservative sanity in a sea of social fanaticism.
  
  That said, I can’t much fault The Blaze: they post these articles to get page hits, and page hits get them money. It’s the American way!
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:34pm
  GHOST…let me put it to you in these terms as a means to help SHORELINELIZ’s argument.
  
  64% of new HIV cases each year in the US are attributed to homosexuals who make up less than 2% of the population. Additionally..homosexuals have higher rates of drug use, depression and STD infections. Basically…the human body is not designed for prolonged homosexual activity…heck no creature’s body is.
  Here in So Cal I see billboards everywhere about “Free” HIV tests. Can you tell me GHOST…are these clinics magically funded by gnomes or the Keebler Elf? Sure they take donations..and federal and state tax money. So rather than enable activity that’s counter to the well being of our species (and is costing us a lot of money), why not acknowledge homosexuality for what it is..a mental disorder..and offer treatment for THAT? You might see a decline in STD and HIV infections if you look at homosexuality as it’s true face, not the “born this way..we have a right” propagandized face.
  
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- Apophis77
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:47pm
  And while we argue about what people are doing in their own bedrooms, Comrade Barry is expanding the socialist framework. You shortsighted morons can keep watching the right hand while he stabs us with the left. When TSHTF, and its the freedom clinging true Americans versus Obama’s band of brown shirts, in the light aromored vehicles and their 2B bulluts. Im not going to ask the people who are resisting “are you gay?” I wont care, what will matter will be their commitment to freedom and the principles of liberty. So go ahead and bicker and argue, you people are irrelevant anyway.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:48pm
  @AvengerK
  Why not just take away federal funding and let local/states do that sort of stuff if they want to?
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:00pm
  GHOST..let me add…you’re absolutely right about distractions. The homosexual marriage farce is a distraction. It’s used a blunt weapon to bludgeon conservatives with in order to portray them as unfeeling, backward, religious zealots that are hampering society. I agree…when you assert “moral” grounds you play right into Gay Inc and it’s allies agenda. They have successfully managed to portray the aberrant as normal. The counter-productive as beneficial. The malignant as the benign. They bandy about words like “civil rights”, “right to love”, “born this way”..ad nauseum all as a means to play on emotions. They’re aided by a complicit Hollywood and media that goes out of it’s way to whitewash and obfuscate for the real face of homosexuality. The education system has been coopted by liberals who are also pushing the homosexual agenda. Tell me why California students must learn about “gay” figures of the past and their contributions to society? Why can homosexual groups tailored specifically for targeting school children like GLSEN can advocate teaching kids extreme sex acts like f#sting (a common sex practice for homosexuals) and there’s no talk of it other than some conservative outlets?
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:08pm
  I agree SOYBOMB..let States decide on those issues. What’s good for Texas isn’t necessarily good for Iowa or California, or New York. What California wants to try to afford isn’t necessarily what Ohio wants to try to afford. For instance I dont’ agree with the marijuana laws of Colorado today…so I factor that into my decisions to live there or not. I don’t like living in California but work for me is good here so I adjust. But as soon as an opportunity presents itself to me I’ll look to a state like Texas where it’s social norms appeal much more to me. This is why state autonomy is so vital to the well being of this nation.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:01pm
  Resme- I don’t know, check the gun control articles and the ones about Obama. HUGE amounts of comments. I will have to disagree here, but I agree with Ghost oppose h-o-m-o-sexuality but make sure to put other more important issues ahead.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 9, 2013 at 7:57am
  DLV
  
  Guns and gays….that is what the masses want to hear about
  
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:06pm
What a novel idea. A Republican organization making a stand on principle.

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- encinom
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:26pm
  Bigotry is a principal? Might be why America is rejecting the GOP and the Tea Party.
  
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- CWPrequired
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:53pm
  Why not open the tent to beastieality and pediphilia there ensinc.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:40pm
  How do you feel about polygamy ENCIDIOT/MONICNE?
  Let me give you the case for polygamy. Economically it makes more sense as well the family unit as a benefit for the children of the family. Say there’s one father and wives each with their own children born to them. The father and two of the wives can go to work thus providing the necessary larger income for the bigger family. One mother can remain at home to care of the childrens’ needs. it’s a win-win. The state doesn’t have to provide for them. Doesn’t it make more sense to ratify polygamy before you ratify homosexual marriage?
  Indeed…homosexuals see higher rates in HIV infections, STDs, depression and drug use. Promiscuity is rife among them also. Whereas the polygamist family is not a liability. I say polygamists have a right to marry over homosexuals…what say you? I know you’re an idiot but I hope you can see my post is laced with sarcasm….
  
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- encinom
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:12pm
  AvengerK
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 2:40pm
  How do you feel about polygamy ENCIDIOT/MONICNE?
  _______________
  Government should have little or no say in the relationships between consenting adults.
  
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- Apophis77
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:21pm
  CWPrequired
  “Why not open the tent to beastieality and pediphilia there ensinc.”
  
  Im going to assume ensinc means in sync.
  And No it is not. Beastiality and pedophelia, especially pedophelia, do not have the mature consent of BOTH parties. A dog cannot consent to a relationship nor can a child! Get real please. You all are so concerned about the grown ups, who arent involving you nor want you involved, back off and leave people be. Your agrument is as invalid and devoid of any critical thinking!
  
  Look at this another way. I am not gay, I would not choose that lifestyle for my children, but I cannot in good conscience discriminate against someone who is. And I sure as hell wouldn’t want government; local, state, or federal, to tell them what to do. Govt involvement into the personal lives of ANYONE who are endangering no one is wrong. Period.
  
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mrunner
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:05pm
So… what shall we name the new party? I could care less on this guys stance on gay marriage! The government has no business legislating marriage anyways! Keep your eye on the ball. Limited government, national defense, national soveriegnty, balanced budget, staying within the limits laid out in the constitution. We are constantly getting pulled into these crap side issues tht the government should not be dictating anyways!

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:12pm
  We already call the new party the Libertarian Party. I invite you to give us a look-see. :)
  
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- mrunner
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 1:24pm
  Thanks Ghost. Count me in.
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:04pm
  Ghost- unfortunately like Soy says unless election laws are changed joining the Libertarian or constitution part would do a damn thing because the libs will still be united to crush us.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 5:14pm
  Yes, election laws are the most critical thing to change. However, if somehow a 3rd party were to get 5% in the general election – then they get automatic ballot acces, campaign funds, possible debate appearance, etc. Unfortunately, the electoral college would remain rigged. That is why we pushed Gary Johnson so hard. I was really surprised he did not get more than 1% in this environment – goes to show how lost america is
  
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maximusgringo
Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:03pm
Beck supports gay marriage and posts pro-gay talking points on this site often!

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- gyro
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:26pm
  Omg The insanity
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:27pm
  of course. Did you see JOhn Stossel (Libertarian) and Ann Coulter (Conservative) duke it out over Libertarian vs Conservative views? Yup. Anne Coulter nailed these Libertarians. Mob like. Vote JUST like LIBERALS. In one Presidential Election after another: Libertarians SPLIT the Conservative Vote and A DEMOCRAT was elected. So: For me: Libertarian pretty much equals on many fronts: LIBERAL.
  
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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 12:28pm
  We need a true Conservative Party. GOP is dead. RINOS. Libertarians do not reflect me. I pretty much try to stick with TEA Party. Although I know that some approve Gay Marriage. I do not.
  
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- Small World
  Posted on March 8, 2013 at 3:50pm
  You all want a really good person go to http://andrewnapolitano.com. & donate to help elect the judge.
  
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