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Andrew Sullivan’s Bizarre Claim about the Catholic Cardinals: ‘So Many Gays Electing the Next Pope’

Mar. 10, 2013 11:55pm Mytheos Holt

Andrew Sullivan, best known for his post-debate meltdowns regarding President Obama’s performance and for his stubborn insistence that Trig Palin was actually Bristol Palin’s child, has a theory regarding the makeup of the Roman Catholic Church: He thinks the leadership of the Church is gay.

On Sunday’s “Chris Matthews Show,” Sullivan announced this theory in passing, while on the way to a larger point attacking white evangelical protestants. When asked by Matthews if the increasing acceptance of homosexuality (and by extension, gay marriage) would influence the upcoming papal conclave, Sullivan scoffed at the idea.

“Zip,” he said. “I mean, there are so many gays electing the next Pope that who knows.”

“You mean the cardinals?” Matthews interjected.

“Right,” said Sullivan. “I think the most interesting thing about that poll is that all Christian denominations favor this, except white evangelicals. That is the Republican base. They cannot compromise on this, and that issue is going to kill them, as it’s killing the Church.”

Watch the clip below, courtesy of Mediaite:

Sullivan’s outburst wasn’t the only surprising statement made during these few minutes of airtime. Just slightly earlier, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius ascribed the rising tolerance for gay marriage to a strong libertarian streak in American culture.

“I think America’s civic religion, and the pervasive thing Americans believe is libertarianism,” Ignatius said. “‘Don’t tread on me’ is our national motto, whether you’re Republican, Democrat.”

“I think we’re culturally Protestant,” Matthews interjected a little uncomfortably.

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Solexander
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:44am
Andy Solvent seems to reason that the RCC’s cardinals are homosexual because–well, because he, the great Andy S, is!

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:30pm
  Oh, and I thought that he eating chocolate.
  
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Witness1974
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:42am
“They cannot compromise on this, and that issue is going to kill them, as it’s killing the Church.”

First of all, Mr. Sullivan may be more right than he knows. I do not think we are far from Christians suffering great persecution because we will be deemed “intolerant haters.” There may be martyrdom for some of us in the offing.

However he is also wrong. Persecution does not kill the church, it purifies it and makes it grow. One of the fastest growing churches in the world is the Chinese church under communist rule.

Sullivan might be a big wheel in Lilliput, but he’s just so much dust in the Kingdom of God. Pray for him that he might be converted. Right now he is hanging by a very thin thread over a great abyss that desires to swallow him up into total darkness.

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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:00am
  witness….you are right….all born of water are children of God. But, redemption takes a bit more than birthright. It requires understanding of the mystery of life and death, and Christ’s role as messiah. This understanding can only be attained in the truth of the resurrection. Nothing else works.
  
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- DeniseJ
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 6:51am
  He is so low-information he’s off the charts!! If he knew anything, Catholics who actually go to Mass regularly, and know their faith, overwhelmingly agree with the hierarchy that “gay marriage” is neither gay nor marriage. Thanks for the reminder to pray for folks like him, right now I’m looking for the sponsors of that show so I can boycott them also!!
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 7:17am
  Well said Witness.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 8:49am
  Well said Witness. Only one contention I have…
  
  We’re talking here about the Catholic Church, the largest denomination of Christianity in the world. The odds that the church will change their theology in a significant way is slim to none. The odds that the Catholic population (at least in the US) will compromise their personal views to align with the church is also slim-to-none; US Catholics as a group hardly see eye-to-eye with the Vatican; most US Catholics are fine with gay marriage, priests that marry, women as priests, and contraception; all of those are very much against Catholic teachings.
  
  So while you may see some “purification,” it certainly won’t be in the form of excommunicating disobedient Catholics. There’s no way the Catholic church would toss out millions and millions of Catholics in the name of theological purity… or to put it in more cynical terms, there’s no way the Vatican would give up tithes from millions upon millions of Catholics simply because the average Catholic disagrees with Vatican policy.
  
  If there is to be some scrubbings in the name of the theological purity, you’ll see it within the clergy, not at the local level.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 9:03am
  Hey Locked, right again. The Catholic church in the U.S. votes the party of unfettered abortion every two years. I don’t think Rome will change it’s views, but I wouldn’t count on American Catholics standing firm.
  
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- Hotconchick
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 9:42am
  Great post Witness.
  
  Gonzo, that isn’t necessarily true in all respects. People in my church at least the ones I know don’t vote for the Communist Party. My children in the school are taught the evils of abortion as well. That was a big topic for our priests around election time as well as the rot of our society.
  So I guess it really depends on your local churches all in all. I have heard this about Catholics but I have never run into a Democrat Catholic voter personally and I live in Illinois- go figure. LOL
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:16am
  Max – “It requires understanding of the mystery of life and death, and Christ’s role as Messiah. This understanding can only be attained in the truth of the Resurrection. Nothing else works.”
  
  Amen!
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:30am
  Hotcon, there are exceptions to everything, but the majority of American Catholics vote for the abortion party in every election.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 11:07am
  @Sacred,
  
  I am not, and I don’t believe Max is, saying there should be no structure to the Body of Christ. No, of course we need evangelists, pastors, deacons etc… but we DON’T need a “priest” to intercede for us, help us injest our saviour, help us ascend our prayers to Mary, even forgive our sins… NO, we pray directly to Christ. Christ is our High Priest. Jesus intercedes on our behalf. Moreover, there is no ‘Holy (earthly) Father. Our Frather is in heaven, while the papists worship a fallable man.
  
  Revelation 18:4
  4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
  
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- givemelibertyorgivemedeath
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 11:18am
  In reply to Witness1974:
  
  I am with you brother!
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:08pm
  I’m protestant, no one intercedes for me, but Christ himself.
  
  Although there is a call of intercessory prayer, that is we as Christians praying on the behalf of others for Christ’s help. All believers are priests, in this regard.
  
  1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
  
  1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
  
  Rev5:5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:01pm
  Read the Jesuit OATH…..You will know what kind of men the RCC is made of.
  http://www.remnantofgod.org/jes-oth.htm
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:17pm
  Max
  You get all your information about the Catholic Church from anit-catholics.
  No wonder you have no idea what she teaches
  
  Gonzo
  It is not fair to claim the majority of American Catholics vote against the teachings of the church.
  Hispanic Catholics(75% in 2012 election) and Black Catholics(95%) vote overwhelming for democratic policies. These votes have more to do with imagration and race than Catholicism.
  
  But something tells me you already know that. You want to paint with a broad brush to make your own beliefs seem plausible.
  
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hillbillyinny
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:37am
As I understand it, Andrew Sullivan is a RAGING homosexual!?

So what if the Cardinals of my Church are “gay”–I LOVE a happy clergy!

Get off it buster!

(This is a not “politically correct” effort to reclaim words STOLEN by those who would redefine them against “the people’s” will. Gay = to be happy are carefree! The Cardinals, the Bishops and all the rest of us in the Fullness of Truth that is the Catholic Church, are Saved by Grace, our sins are paid for, and we look forward to Eternity in COMPLETE COMMUNION with the Trinity (which is in complete communion itself!), and all of those who ARE the Body of Christ in this world and the NEXT! Come aboard.)

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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:49am
  hilly…..follow your clergy into globalist hell if you want. True Christianity has no clergy, whatsoever. Christ died to free you from “clergy”.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:32am
  Actually Christ died to free people from sin… According to my bible, the last time I read.
  
  However, clergy, priests, pastors, reverends, whatever each denomination calls them, will not save a person. That is up to each invididual to decide for themselves. All they are there for is encouragement, and maybe help someone understand the Bible better, but they are no substitute for actually studying the word for yourself.
  
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- hillbillyinny
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 8:16am
  @ SacredHonor1776
  
  Amen! Jesus is the Savior of the World, and the SAVED understand that, including those clergy who are true followers of Christ!
  
  @ Max Jones
  
  The Fullness of Truth held by the Catholic Church has little to do the the hierarchy in this world and MUCH TO DO with the Kingdom of Heaven, both on this earth and in the “time” to come!
  
  Do some reading and research and learn where and how Old Covenant (Testament) witness came to be and how New Covenant (Testament) witness and instruction came to be, and fall on your knees to your Savour for His on-going preservation of the Witness of Truth that is the Church on earth.
  
  Come to (the Lord), all you who are hungry and EAT! “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:1)
  
  I hope your pray for your pastor, we in the “worldwide” (Catholic) Church just have LOTS OF PASTORS FOR WHICH TO PRAY!
  
  Come to truth!
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:23am
  Max – “hilly…..follow your clergy into globalist hell if you want. True Christianity has no clergy, whatsoever. Christ died to free you from “clergy”.
  
  Double Amen! We have ONE High Priest and (we) are a Priesthood of Believers. We don’t need a system of man, teaching the rules of men!
  
  Here is an interesting piece of scripture for the ‘holy’ fathers-
  
  Matthew 23:9- And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
  
  I’m liking you Max!
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:52am
  There have always been preachers, and missionaries in the church who out ot ‘teach’, see Paul, see Peter, see John, and many other deciples of God, and other leaders in the early church (by church I don’t mean “Catholic” or any specific denomination).
  
  If there was no missionaries or preachers, the message would spread much slower. Especially if for any believer who also follows some form of Marxist belief, in which they see religion as a ‘private matter’ only, “freedom from religion”. The fact is all christians should be going out and teaching. But not everyone stands up.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:54am
  @HillBilly – “The Fullness of Truth held by the Catholic Church”
  
  Are you serious? Let’s compare just a couple Truths of the Bible, to the techings of the RCC-
  
  Bible Truth – We are saved by Grace alone thru Faith alone in the sinless life and atoning sacrifice Christ (God) performed (FOR) us on the cross. *Saved by Grace.
  RCC – We are saved by what the Holy Spirit does (IN) us, by trying to become like Jesus (God). *Saved by Works. Hence, purgatory.
  
  Bible Truth – The Dead don’t exist until the Resurrection at the 2nd Coming. Man is mortal.
  RCC – The Dead go to heaven if ‘good enough’, or go to purgatory to continue ‘working’. Man has an immortal soul.
  
  Bible Truth – The Dead are unconsciously sleeping, awaiting the Resurrction.
  RCC – The Dead are conscious and can be communicated with (e.g.Mary).
  
  Bible Truth – Communion as a symbol.
  RCC – The eucharist as blasphemy by re-sacrificing Christ every week.
  
  Bible Truth – The 7th day (Saturday) Sabbath.
  RCC – Sunday the 1st day.
  
  Bible Truth – Final punishment of the wicked.
  RCC – Eternal Torment.
  
  Bible Truth – Christ as our ONLY Priest
  RCC – Man as Priest
  
  …just to name a few. No, it is a counterfeit christianity. It does not teach Bible Truths. The RCC is pagan in nature.
  
  Believers must decide who their Authority is – either it is the Bible and the Bible alone, or it is Rome.
  
  Revelation 18:4 – And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:55am
  Most believers have some form of church leadership, and those who do structured sermons…
  
  Jehovah’s witnesses don’t IIRC?
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:11pm
  David are you a Seventh Day Adventist?
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:29pm
  @Sacred. Sorry, I posted a response to you in the above section of the thread (out of order). Duh.
  
  I am a Bible Believing Christian. The Bible and the Bible (alone) is my Authority.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:39pm
  David-Fl
  “RCC – We are saved by what the Holy Spirit does (IN) us, by trying to become like Jesus (God). *Saved by Works. Hence, purgatory.”
  Wrong. Catholics believe all are saved by the grace of God alone.
  “RCC – The Dead go to heaven if ‘good enough’, or go to purgatory to continue ‘working’. Man has an immortal soul.”
  Wrong again. There are no “dead” people in Heaven. People in purgatory can do no works
  “RCC – The Dead are conscious and can be communicated with (e.g.Mary).”
  Wrong…I’m sensing a pattern here
  “Bible Truth – Communion as a symbol” This would come as quite a shock to Jesus (John 6)
  “Believers must decide who their Authority is” Not grammatically correct, but true
  Jesus gave us His church, through that church, He gave us the Bible
  Sola Scriptura and Sola Fida are man-made lies
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 5:47pm
  “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead” Thomas Paine
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 12, 2013 at 9:29am
  By Faith,
  
  Your mental gymnastics are interesting. Please do tell us the purpose of Purgetory and point to where one can find it in Holy Scripture. As far as the rest goes, you are unfamiliar with the cate-skizm.
  
  On this we can agree!
  
  “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead” Thomas Paine
  
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RationalMan
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:21am
Max jones,
Faith denies exist of man, did you know that? I guess you don’t exist!!!!

Reason denis Faith, you did that???

Sir you cannot have it both ways…A is A!!!! (Not A is Z)

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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:31am
  “And their knowledge will make fools of them”, something like that. You are an illustration of His statement. You are too full of yourself to allow for the possibility of anything greater than you.
  
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- Diane TX
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:36am
  Rational Man
  
  Seems that it’s your cage that has been rattle. No one can describe God because no one can see something that doesn’t have a physical form.
  
  The best that can be done is to see, hear, and feel the effects of what one can not see.
  
  You don’t actually “see” the air around you, but you know it’s there if it happens to rustle the leaves of a tree.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:45am
  whatever you say. You’re the rational one. I was just giving you my understanding of a word. …….and by the way, I can “have It” any way I desire to have it. We do not share a common reality, nor do we have common limitations, or expectations…..and I thank God for that.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:55am
  Max jones,
  You cannot use the word “Common reality” in your statement. Did you know that?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:05am
  RATIONALMAN…Tell us, if you can, what it is like to be mortal. I’ve never known that state of existence…… just curious.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:44am
  Rational man…….The thinker only thinks he thinks, this is his error. Real thought has no reference….it is. You will never, ever understand, even this simple idea.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:41pm
  Diane, God does indeed have a physical form. His name is Jesus Christ (among others). He always was and will be. Hence, we were made in His image. he also wrote the ten commandments with His finger. he walked with Adam and Ece. he passed by Moses. Moreover, Jesus left the earth in physical form, and He will return in physical form. We too, who believe, will be raised at the resurrection in glorified physical form-
  
  John 20:27
  Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
  
  Acts 1:11
  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
  
  Luke 24:41-43
  41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
  
  Philippians 3:20-21
  20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
  
  We will not be disembodied spirits.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:48pm
  Luke 24:36-39
  
  36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
  
  37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
  
  38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
  
  39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:01pm
  Isaiah also saw God.
  
  Isaiah 6:1-5
  
  6 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
  
  2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
  
  3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
  
  4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
  
  5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
  
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RationalMan
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:16am
spikebu,
Wrap the mind around what???

What do you mean by “I am”? So far, none of you can describe this “GOD” of yours! You’re all
a phoney and trying to make easy money off of your lost flocks!!!

I hope I “RATTLE alot of your CAGES”!!!!

Cheers….

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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:23am
  “I AM”. Took me years to figure out such a simple statement. Thank God I did.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:26am
  Nah. Figure out is not right. Accept would be a better description.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:35am
  spikebu,
  Well why don’t you gather your army together, fly to Egypt and help out your brothers and sisters who are fighting against the Muslims?
  
  Don’t worry, “GOD” will protect all of you!! (Right?)
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:41am
  Crap! I have a lost flock? I’m making money off of it? Could you tell my mortgage company this?
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:44am
  Are you really that obtuse? Talk about a stick in the mud.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:57am
  Because I am not God.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:00am
  spikebu,
  Your religion is more important, instead, of making money!
  
  Go and defend your brothers and sisters in Egypt, after all it is for the could cause…!
  
  Stand by your principles.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:14am
  Hate to burst your bubble irrational. I don’t have a Religion. When God calls me, I will defend my brethren. With joy in my heart.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:32am
  Spikebu….Atheists can’t understand that faith is rarely, in the company of ”religion”. Most religious folks don;t know the difference, either.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:33am
  First you condemn me for trying to make money off a “lost flock” and now you say religion means more to me than making money, like making money is good. Can you spell Schizophrenic? You gotta take a stand, Dude.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:48am
  SPIKEY!!!! you drew him out….. dincha? haha
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:16am
  Yes, Max. It has nothing to do with “religion”. My Grandmother so wanted me to be Catholic. I loved my Grandmother. I’m not Catholic. Closest I came was E-Free. Too many of our churches are sick. They seem to be caught up in the world, in the sort of things rational here, preaches. He’s so incredibly clueless. Makes me ache. Sorry I have been so verbose. Got the stress of moving, on top of this screwed up world.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:26am
  Dang. My kids said I could do this to someone. I never believed them! My poor kids!
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:37am
  Max. You are welcome at our table anytime. Central Arizona, up near Prescott.
  
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- Kisses6350
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 7:57am
  Just as I know I breath air, I know there is a God! I can’t see it, but i feel his presence. I feel pity for anyone who does’nt know the love of the Lord!
  
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- omega309
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 8:15am
  God did not say “I Am” he said ” I Will Be”
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:39pm
  He most certainly did!
  
  John 8:58
  58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:36pm
  Exodus 3:13-14
  
  13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
  
  14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 12, 2013 at 4:04am
  Thank you, David. “I Am” was my major block to knowing God. It’s too easy. I was expecting some kind of mystical puzzle I’d have to solve. I was 81/2 months pregnant with my first child. I sat bolt upright from sleep and shouted, “He IS!” That was 22 years ago. He still Is! I still love him.
  
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- David-FL
  Posted on March 12, 2013 at 9:31am
  Amen Spike!
  
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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:00am
They would never let me on a tv show, because I would ask this guy, gee, well, what do you think about spending public tax dollars by sending them to Islamic nations, does that mean some politicians really enjoy violating your civil rights, by riding around in limos and going to dinner parties, getting drunk and laughing at us? They laugh because they know that sending aid to Islamic nations supports the religion of Islam, establishing a religion, or is it because they are flaming homophobic tyrannical narcissists who hide that fact by promoting gay marriage just to screw with your head, or because that violates the civil rights of redefining an establishment religion at the point of a gun?

Well if they enjoy violating your civil rights by supporting Islam, what would be more thrilling to them, then watch the chaos they can create by supporting gay marriage? We’ll ask Mr. Krugman, he’ll figure out a way to avoid that question? Or should we ask Hollywood and the Church of Scientology?

If anyone asks those questions, they are not welcome as patriots who defend the nation by reminding Americans they never went in those directions before and were quite healthy as a nation, no, now you are to be censored, laughed at, or worse?

Is that the new definition social justice? Or is that called the right to assemble in public, an unpopular viewpoint because we don’t want to believe that is true, but it is?

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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:31am
  I guess I got the drift of what you are saying, bro, but I say, that all of it is symptomatic, and not causative of our very real, and serious cultural confusion. What is to blame for our current state is a wholesale rejection of moral responsibility. Nobody is willing to sacrifice to God or country, even an iota.
  We won’t even do it for our health. We have taken a careless attitude to its extremes.
  Because of this nonchalance, we get greedy power mongers to do the dirty work for us….and they screw everyone, every chance they get…it is their nature. We are paying dearly for our self-absorbed attitude. and searching vainly, for solutions.
  Its said by some that normalized homosexuality caused Rome and Athens to fall, but, those also were only indicators of a much deeper, fatal flaw in the character of those civilizations…..self satisfaction and complacency. Lazy thinking.
  
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Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:53am
Words from lost souls will have no effect on Righteous people.

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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:01am
  paperpushermj,
  I hope you mean A is A and not A is Z?
  
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- 4xeverything
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:24am
  I love how people believe that it is the job of any church to bow to popular and trending thought. The Church is a theocracy not a democracy. It is not the job of the Church to make you feel better about what you think is or is not OK. I clicked on this story to find out who Andrew Sullivan is…I guess he’s on MSNBC…so, I’ll never know just like the majority of the country.
  
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- DonaldH
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 5:57am
  Simple– God is A and he is the Z– the begining and the end– OF EVERYTHING. I really haven’t a dog in this fight but while reading through this thread I grew tired of you referencing this silly question and posing it before us as if it were some hi-brown scholarly point you were making. It isn’t! It is actually ridiculous.
  
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Diane TX
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:45am
I thought that all the Catholic priests were pedophiles and NOT homosexuals in most cases. Isn’t THAT what the “gay” community always preaches?

Isn’t that their “line”? “Oh no, homosexuals as a group are not pedophiles because homosexuality is as normal and natural as heterosexuality.”

So which is it?

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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:00am
  They have to wet a finger and hold it up to figure out which way the wind is blowing.
  
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- Diane TX
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:09am
  Rational Man
  
  God doesn’t have parents because “he” was always present. “He” is the Alpha and the Omega. Parents aren’t necessary when no growth is involved.
  
  I put the word “he” in parentheses because humans speak about “him” as if “he” were a human male. “He’s” not. God was just always here, like the universe.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:27am
  Diane TX,
  How do you it’s a “HE” and not a “SHE”? (Is it because they said so?)
  
  Just asking a simple question?
  
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- Diane TX
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:44am
  Rational Man
  It’s called convention. People have spoken about God as if “he” were a male for thousands of years. Most people know that “he” doesn’t have a gender, because “he’s” not a human being.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:52am
  Diane TX,
  If “HE” isn’t human, then it doesn’t exist!
  
  Again, what was his Parents last name?
  
  If you and I exist then why doesn’t “HE”?
  
  I’m just asking a simply question???
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:05am
  @DIANE TX
  
  Are you a Christian? If so, what type of Christian are you?
  
  I’m an atheist but even I could name SEVERAL verses from the Bible where it is clearly expressed that the God of the Bible is a male.
  
  To name a simple one, “No one comes to the Father except through me.” Those were supposedly Jesus’s words no? According to Christian theology, Jesus was God. Are you accusing your God of blasphemy?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:26am
  Mod- Diane’s right. She is saying God is a He but that since he is a spirit he doesn’t have all the attributes of being male. He is just classically referred to as a He. That being said Jesus is a He with everything that goes with it.
  
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- Diane TX
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:26am
  @ Moderation is Best
  
  See Page 2 for my reply.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:27am
  RATIONALMAN…..There was a fellow, who, because of his ‘faith’, had an encounter with “the Creator”. What happened to him was way beyond his understanding. He was commissioned to deliver to the Hebrews, a ”code of conduct”. He knew that because of the “rational nature” of this people, that they would ask him the Creator’s name, and so he asked the Creator, “Who should I say sends me?”
  The Creator told him, ” Tell them. I am what I am, sends you”, YHVH, for short. As far as we here on earth are concerned, that’s His moniker. Not really a name…. more of a description, but that’s what we have.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:16am
  RATIONALMAN….Compared to MODERATIONISBEST, you are a neophyte atheist…..Really dude….Pay attention to him. He’s got the pose down.
  
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- ihasa
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 8:32am
  Being a gay man allowed to pursue stable loving relationships is what is right.
  
  Being a gay man living in shame and secrecy is what has driven these ‘celibate’ priests to despicable acts, particularly when you couple that with the churches total willingness to cover up what they do.
  
  Children do not have anything in particular to fear from out, proud gay men, who are up front about their sexual identity. Individuals who cloak their own sexual feelings, and willingly vow lifelong celibacy, are the ones who pose a greater threat. Their supressed desires will surface in twisted ways, and they are likely to target people who they can have greater psychological control over – i.e. the young and vulnerable.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:48pm
  Only celebate gay men abuse children?
  
  ever heard of Penn State?
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:54pm
  “The Evidence for God from Contemporary Physics” by Fr. Robert J. Spitzer, S.J. http://youtu.be/hYfaOJATh_U
  
  Stephen Hawking’s view of Heaven: A response
  http://youtu.be/aP4CRkcof7w
  
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- Will-db
  Posted on March 12, 2013 at 4:52am
  Jerry Sandusky is something else, but it seems pretty obvious to me that the vow of celibacy makes the Catholic Church an attractive option for those who have something to hide about their sexuality – whether it’s paedophilia or homosexuality – and can’t face participating in a sham marriage like Sandusky’s.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 12, 2013 at 9:13am
  Will
  We are all called to sexual purity. Even those of us who are married.
  It is not the discipline of chastity that “causes” pedophilia or homosexuality. There are just as many married priest in the United States as there are validly accused pedophiles. You would never say “all Catholic priests are married”, why not.
  Less than 1% in both cases and the other 99+% of these celibate men are also sinners.
  You honestly think allowing priest to get married solves anything? You would still have pedophile’s looking for a place to hide not to mention the myriad of additional problems that would include.
  Look at protestant churches or schools or daycares all with higher numbers of abuse than the Church, all of which do not require celibacy to have the job.
  You can dismiss Sandusky because you need to be right more than you need to accept fact, but he is not the only coach to abuse children. (also higher numbers than the priesthood)
  
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RationalMan
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:39am
Didn’t Judas kiss Christ on his left cheek or was it the right?

Isn’t that gay???

How about the so-call twelve men who sat around the last supper, wasn’t that gay????

BTW, nobody have never answer my question…Who made God??? (Still waiting?)

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- Diane TX
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:47am
  God was not “made” because “he” is neither human or male.
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:52am
  If you question “who made God” you’d never understand the answer. But here goes…No-one. God is outside of time, he exists in a non-linear fashion.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:52am
  I don’t know.
  
  No.
  
  No.
  
  No one made God.
  
  There are all of your answers to your foolish questions.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:54am
  Diane TX,
  Again who created “GOD”?
  
  Since in your eyes and others like you..who was “GOD” parents and what was there last name?
  
  Just curious! ;)
  
  You believe, well then tell me….
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:59am
  God is outside of time and exists in a non-linear fashion.
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:59am
  The_Jerk,
  If nobody made GOD, then who made us?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:59am
  Rational man is an unrepentant idiot.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:07am
  He always was, and He always will be. “I AM”. Wrap your mind around that!
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:09am
  Rational man……You will find this next statement irrational, but “faith is the belief in things not seen or understood in completeness.”
  I’m sure you have faith, by that definition. You believe in…electricity? nuclear fission? nuclear fusion?
  Who made electricity? Who designed it? Define it. See there, you do have faith. You believe in things you do not understand.
  We’re not so far apart…..or are we?
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:10am
  Max jones,
  If you cannot answer my question keep it to yourself, but, since you are intelligent, then tell me who created “GOD”? After-all don’t you talk to Him/She or it?
  
  Just curious!!!!
  
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- woody4_rom828
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:27am
  Irrational, you are not curious. Many have already given you the answer but you refuse to accept it. Or should I say you refuse to believe it.
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:32am
  RationalMan: God is. He had no beginning and will have no end. If he were a created being then that would imply that He is finite and the one who made Him is greater than Him which would make that person God. By definition God is eternal, one of His names is I AM. He is infinite in all his attributes and perfect in them as well. Any thing less falls short of the definition of God, who is infinite and perfect in power, knowledge, wisdom, will, omnipresence, love, justice, etc. Who would be fool enough to worship anyone less than perfect. You may indulge in this “infinite” regression if you want to, but even the ancient Greeks knew that eventually you end with the “Unmoved Mover.” That is God. He’s taken the trouble to reveal himself through His creation and through His Son Jesus Christ, and His written word. You should take the time to read it. It is there He reveals Himself as a person who has a plan for the redemption of men and women everywhere. He reaches out across all lines to bring broken sinners into His Kingdom. But there is a cost: In your case I would say it has something to do with dropping the cliche’s, purifying your motives, and letting go of your intellectual pride long enough to ask for God’s help.”Read it so you know what you are talking about.” That’s what someone told me 35 years ago.” I haven’t stopped since. I set out to prove the Bible wrong only to have it set me right–A sinner like me. It takes a miracle that only God ca
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:39am
  woody4_rom828
  No, so far nobody has gave a full description…still waiting!
  
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- RationalMan
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:43am
  Witness1974,
  Thanks for your stupidity lecture!
  
  Again who made “GOD”?
  
  Still waiting….
  
  And how do you know your religion is right???
  
  Just a simple question?
  
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- DLV
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:33am
  Rationalman- people keep giving you the answer to your question. Can you not read? God does not have a beginning! God does not have a beginning! God does not have a beginning! God does not have a beginning! God does not have a beginning! God does not have a beginning! God does not have a beginning!
  
  Do you get it? Eventually that’s the only thing that works because no matter what you are always going to ask who made god? Well it was being letter A. Well who made being letter A? Being letter B. IT just keeps going and going and going. Eventually you need something eternal which is why the big bang needs SOMETHING eternal for it to work. If there was ever a point where there was nothing there would be nothing today. It takes a lot more faith to believe in the big bang for me than the existence of God. But you’re not going to get it are you? I’ll just save you a post.
  
  Who made God everyone?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:00am
  RATIONALMAN…You wrote”Max jones,
  If you cannot answer my question keep it to yourself, but, since you are intelligent, then tell me who created “GOD”? After-all don’t you talk to Him/She or it?’
  Ok, I can’t hold it back… any longer. We are not supposed to tell people like you, any of this, but god’s last name Lipschitz. we call him ol’ man, but there are a few people who say his his first name is Seymor.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:12am
  If anyone could tell you who made God….you would ask “Well, then, who “made HIM…and on and on…but let me ask who made you? You could go to geneology.com, and come up with a list of ancestors, right? But you would be wrong. You made yourself, what you are, not ‘who’ you are. Who you are is irrelevant. Believe it or not, you are a spiritual being, before you are a ‘human’ being.
  I believe you have been guilty of ”self-neglect”. Shame on you.
  
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- ihasa
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 8:37am
  If God doesn’t need a creator, neither does the universe.
  
  That’s the point being made.
  
  We can’t say for sure what happened before the Big Bang, but that doesn’t mean the Big Bang has to be supernaturally arranged.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:59pm
  “Didn’t Judas kiss Christ on his left cheek or was it the right?
  Isn’t that gay???”
  Seriously? A kiss on the cheek make you gay? And you call yourself rational.
  
  “How about the so-call twelve men who sat around the last supper, wasn’t that gay????”
  Now just sitting in a room with other men makes you gay…more logic?
  
  “The Evidence for God from Contemporary Physics” by Fr. Robert J. Spitzer, S.J. http://youtu.be/hYfaOJATh_U
  I would say I doubt you will understand, but I really doubt you will read
  
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- Witness1974
  Posted on March 12, 2013 at 3:39am
  Rationalman: “Thanks for your stupidity lecture!” I’m not sure what you mean by this. If you are calling me stupid, OK, I agree. If you mean that my post called you stupid, you misinterpreted what I was saying. You may be much smarter that I am. What I was pointing out is that you have attitudes that are impediments to gaining more knowledge and the wisdom that should go with it.
  
  God has revealed Himself in his creation, in the Living Word (Christ), and in His written Word (the Bible). But though He reveals Himself, He does so sufficiently, not exhaustively. The problem with your question, “Who created God.” is that you are expecting finite beings with finite knowledge to explain and infinite Being. It is an impossible thing that you ask; you can’t cram 10,000 tons of understanding into a 5 lb. bag. God says of Himself that He has no beginning or end. Because we are creatures of linear time, we cannot comprehend eternity. But we can take what He says on faith. What is interesting about your question is that you use the word “who” which implies that it does take a person with knowledge and wisdom to create. A more profitable question is who created you? Think about the intricacy and complexity of the design of the various systems that make up your body. How do explain design without a Designer? You call yourself Rational Man. How do you explain reason without a rational creator? Chance? If so, you have more faith than I do.
  
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lassiegirldawn
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:38am
God loves everyone, homosexual whores drunkards murders, and even muslims, etc. What God hates is the act of sin of the homosexual, whores, drunkard’s, murders and the muslims and other religions that put other Gods before him. At anytime someone can turn from their wicked ways and ask Jesus to forgive them and he will, he knows the hearts of his children. Also the people voting for gay marriage are just as guilty as the people who are in the sin of homosexuality. This also includes excepting these kinds of live styles.

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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:41am
  lassiegirldawn……what you wrote is non-scriptural. Even before he was born, God ‘hated’ Esau.
  
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moneyplays
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:16am
The words of Scripture, ALL OF THEM, are the inspired and infallible Word of God. Jesus is sometimes described as the Word of God. You have the kind of child-like understanding that only the red letters are the words of God and Christ, but I assure you that is not true. Let me give you a couple of examples:

‘And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works where were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.’ Matt: 11:23-24

Jesus knew full well the reason for Sodom and Gomorrah’s judgment, and is reminding them that they face the same condemnation – only worse because their knowledge was more than the wicked homosexuals of Sodom. You can say Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality, but in fact he did. Did he give graphic details of homosexual behavior? No, of course not. Such things are so shameful, the Scriptures say, that even to talk about them is untoward. I fully agree.

The Apostle Paul is more explicit in his condemnation. In Romans one he spends a long passage excoriating homosexuality [both in practice and in their 'hearts' and minds]. Here is but a small example. I suggest you go read it and take note before you speak next time.

‘For this reason God GAVE THEM UP to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is AGAINST NATUR

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moneyplays
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:07am
I do realize the media is trying to cram as much pro homosexual acceptance as they possibly can down our throats……..but it is a sin to live an homosexual lifestyle, just as it is a sin for two unmarried heterosexualy to live a married lifestyle, We cannot change Gods law that marriage is one man and one woman.

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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:24am
  SATAN is having a field day. 6% of the human beings on earth claim to be homosexual, maybe 2% of those are non aggressive, combative or more…maybe only 2% are angry as hell about their ‘lot in life’ and want to shatter all things decent and good and are totally taken over by evil thoughts, deeds, actions. They aren’t any worse than the people who sell their bodies for $ or produce Porn or all such things that demean the great and glorious gift of life that we’re given by GOD. Those who murder their babies in the womb and the 200 M female babies who’ve been killed for example.
  People like Chris Matthews and this Andrew Sullivan farce have no clue as to what they are talking about. They have -0- respect for themselves or anyone else and they cannot fathom how 98.5% of the Catholic Priests understand that this is a short life and God has called them to serve Him, knowing that Heaven is eternal…being celibate is a gift. They make the horrific mistake of thinking that ALL people are like them, think like them, respond like them. That is the major flaw in Liberals.
  They are so self-centered, so immature that they cannot fathom honor and faith in others.
  Their loss.
  I would ask the BLAZE to tone down their “all out attack mode headlines on my Catholic Faith”. The Catholics wrote the Bible; have kept Christianity alive and every time another ‘spin-off’ faith runs into trouble and splits off yet a new time, some of their members come home to Catholic
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:30am
  Why is it that the most OBNOXIOUS mouths on TV are ugly, short, bald guys?
  send him a tweet…tell him how much you love him. https://twitter.com/sullydish
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:57am
  PATTY HENRY…..” 98.5% of the Catholic Priests understand that this is a short life and God has called them to serve Him…….”
  I’ve got a big problem with what you said as NOT true…..Catholics are by definition “papist”. The role of intermediaries (priests) is, NOWHERE, mentioned in the New Testament. At the moment Christ exhaled his last human breath, the veil surrounding the “holy of holies” was rent –top to bottom, signifying access by all who believe and making the need for a priest (or pope) unnecessary, and counter to everything Christ taught.
  The Roman church will show her true colors soon, as she aligns herself with the globalist, inclusive, political powerhouse, Christ called “The Beast”.
  
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- hillbillyinny
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:29am
  @ Max jones
  
  Praying daily that you might do some good research into those “claims” you make! Much of what you are discussing (directed to @PattyHenry), is not believe by the majority of Christians throughout the world, and did not even exist until the mid to late 1800′s!
  
  The end times are coming, the Catholic has prayed and taught that from the beginning of His Church, including in the Memorial Acclamation after the Consecration at the Eucharist, “. . . Until You come again.” We sing the song of the angels and saints introducing the main prayers said EVERYHOUR in the Churches of the world, “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty; Heaven and earth is full of Your glory; Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord;. . .” taken directly from Revelation in the Bible where we learn about the Wedding Feast of the Lamb at the end of time!
  
  You “Johnny come latelies” tend to think that those things you’ve added to “church dogma,” such as the rapture, the Catholic Church as anti-Christ, etc.,” are new and true. However, over the 2000+ years of the Church founded on Christ, claims against the Church have come and gone, and the Church Jesus said he would not abandon, “. . . even to the end of time,” continues to this day and will still be here to welcome Jesus at His second coming, the New Heaven and the New Earth, and We, the Bride of Christ will feast at the Lamb at His Supper!
  
  Come to truth. . .
  
  Maranatha, alleluia!
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 4:28am
  PATTYHENRY…you wrote “satan is having a field day”……Actually he is aware that he has but a short time and is desperate to delete prophecy. He’s a lawyer with an agenda.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 5:04am
  HILLBILLY////Here’s a few things found in the Roman church that are NOT scriptural…praying to humans(saints)…worshiping Mary, mother of Jesus……Confessing sins to a man….pre-trib rapture….sunday sabbath….Priests, Cardinals and popes.. ..paying for expiation ….purgatory….LATIN….Incense…None of these are there…so where did they come from….huh?
  DELUDED!!!
  The catholic church has tried for centuries to change and defile the true faith. And I know that individual interpretation of the bible is not acceptable, in the RCC. The Catholic Mass, more closely resembles BA’al worship than it does Christian faith. (research it!)You will have one chance to come out of her…..take it!!!
  As the Beast grows in stature, the RCC will accrue more and more power…coincidence?
  The global theocracy the RCC projects IS the Beast. “He comes saying “Peace, peace…….”
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 5:09pm
  Maxx
  Your arguments are laughable. Open your mind, you might learn something
  
  “All who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place. The memoir of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits. When the reader is finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things. Then we all rise together and offer prayers for ourselves…and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation. When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss [of peace]. Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren. He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks that we have been judged worthy of these gifts. When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: Amen.” When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the ‘eucharisted’ bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.” Quoting Justin Martyr “First Apology” pages: 65-67 written: 155AD
  
  Sounds like a Catholic Mass to me.
  Tell us what you believe, not lie about what you think we believe
  
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Jake Dog2
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:57am
Who cares what this uninformed wack job thinks. You can bend poles to any results you want. But even if it is true it only support that this country is in big sh** trouble.
As far as christian churches go a large majority are now connected to the World Council Of Churches which is a very liberal organization.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:02am
  Sullivan is a pervert. Why listen to someone who is provably broken?
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:12am
  If Andrew is correct, it explains why I saw C.E. Cupp wearing a red dress.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:33am
  JERK “Why listen to someone who is provably broken?”
  Why, hell, boy I read your posts don’t I?
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:43am
  Max jones, maybe you read, but comprehension is not your strong suit.
  
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- marine249
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:53am
  @ max
  
  you did bad 2 times.
  
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OBAMA IS A FOUL EVIL TRAITOR
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:57am
The Catholic “church” has always been Satanic. There is no doubt that most of the Cardinals are Sodomites! Revelation Chapters 17 and 18 speak against the Catholic “church”, the Wh-ore of Babylon. 18:4 says “Come OUT of her my people, lest you partake of her sins and of her plagues”

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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:39am
  NO, @OBAMA IS A FOUL EVIL TRAITOR: Catholics have not been and are not Satanic, you might be, however, for carrying Satan’s water. You little trollies who say such outrageous (totally faux ) statements about our wonderful Catholic faith need our prayers, for you have no idea what you will be facing. You obviously don’t have a mind of your own; you obviously are easily led. People like little Chris Matthews must make themselves sick inside by spewing such lies just to make ratings. BOYS!!! You are working against GOOD and helping EVIL. You will wake up, I just hope it’s not too late for you. Jesus mentioned that it was better to have never been born than to (purposefully) lead HIS (people/children/faithful) astray. I would take Him at His word.
  
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- by faith
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 5:27pm
  As of April 11, 2011, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has counted 5,948 clerics “not implausibly” and “credibly” accused in 1950-2010 of sexually abusing minors.
  
  Over the 60 year time frame, an average of 99 U.S. based Catholic priest have been credibly accused of sexual abuse (5,948/60 = 99.133) BTW protestant churches: 260/year
  
  Currently there are approximately 100 married priests in the United States.
  People who hate the Catholic Church like to imply all Catholic priests are pedophiles; but why not say all Catholic priests are married? (equal numbers) Most will tell you no Catholic priest are married.
  
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Godfearingman
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:52am
Sick and tired of Catholics being blamed for hypocrisy! I guaranty 54% of people in my parish are not in favor of gay marriage! Homosexual acts are an abomination against God! Do Catholics hate gays, no. Do Catholics hate the sin of homosexual sex, absolutely! The same as they hate the sins of adultery, fornication, and many more. God’s will does not change. Why were Sodom and Gomorah destroyed? There is redemption for any sinner in Jesus Christ, but that does not change the fact that the sin was wrong. Repent and be saved! I guarantee that Andrew Sullivan doesn’t know squat about the Cardinals of the Catholic Church. Anyone that takes their Catholic info from him needs a new source!

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- moneyplays
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:09am
  A plus. You understand it precisely.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:16am
  GODFEARING……I don’t believe the numbers either, but, I don’t believe many people care, or understand the cultural effect of the normalization of homosexuality. And it does not matter, catholic or protestant. I believe the majority of self-identified “Christians”, haven’t got a clue. Religious affiliation in this nation is mostly a tradition, and not what I would call legitimate. Real bible study is nearly non-existent, and ‘denominational’ peculiarities make understanding more difficult. I see the Roman church heading down the ‘globalist’ path, tending toward inclusiveness over substance.
  The Apostasy of the church is prophesied, and I see it coming to pass, across the board.
  
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- joboww
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:01pm
  @Godfearing
  
  I agree with your take here and it pretty well covers the bases. However I would point out that though homosexual actions are wrong like adultary and fornication and so forth there are degrees of evil and homosexual acts are above these because they are disordered and specifically cry out for vengence. Aquinas hits this degree of sexual deviancy, I found this article that helps the reader understand the degrees: http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/human-nature-and-aquinas-taxonomy-of-sexual-sins
  
  @Max
  
  I can hear what you are saying but I disagree with your statement that the Church is headed toward inclusivness, If you mean by this that all people are called to be part of the Church and the Church will do what she can to bring all in without compromise then I agree, but if your take is that indifferentism will reign that is actually finally being reigned in, its part of the heresy of modernism which still plagues the faith but if you look at Catholics who actually take their faith seriously (note the Catholic faith is not about polls) you would see that Orthodoxy is among the greatest concerns of the youth, and a solidifying and representation of the traditional teachings that those outside authority tried to foist upon the faithful following the council (not because of) is dying off to a high degree. SO I dont worry about indifferentism for the sake of numbers, thats actually a wrong that cant be commited by the Church because it is a heresy
  
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mcsledge
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:52am
He/she who claims to be Christian and supports gay marriage is void of the Spirit of God and will find that their course fails to lead them back to God.

If God commanded a man and a woman to marry and procreate, then they who support gay marriage stand in open opposition to God.

God may be merciful, but you’re an outright fool if you believe he will exalt one who opposes his doctrines and commandments. Lucifer opposed God and was thrown out of heaven. God will not be mocked.

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Xanderson
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:46am
Chris says, “Andrew, my fellow Catholic……?” Looks like Matthews and Andrew Sullivan poled themselves to get this statistic!?!?! I love how Chris Matthews plays his Catholic card at every opportunity, only to flaunt his anti-Christian views about EVERYTHING. Prediction: the new Pope will NOT sit for an interview with MSNBC!

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:49am
  You were more than correct when you said Chrissy and Andie poled each other.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:53am
  Being gay comes with a whole lot of other baggage. Just ask Sullivan.
  
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- CatB
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:17am
  I thought these libs were in favor of gays … only gays who run around “flaming” are okay? Is that what they are saying?
  
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marine249
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:43am
Who to he!! is sullivan.
I know who he is.
What I mean is, why should
we listen to this horse’s azz.

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welovetheUSA
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:30am
Forgive this man, for he knows not what he says.

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KickinBack
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:15am
I once saw a tabloid with the front page story about a woman giving birth to a wooden baby. I wonder if Chris Matthews picked up on it. It seems like it’d fit in with his other topics.

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shorelineliz
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:14am
@Andrew Sullivan:

True. Lots of “hidden” to the public gay stuff in Catholic Church. Author Michael Rose exposed that in “Goodbye Good Men.”

False: “All” Christian Denominations do NOT favor gay marriage.

False: There are white Republicans who do favor gay marriage or didn’t you see the article on the 80+ Republicans that just came out in support of gay marriage? Haven’t you Heard of Carrie Underwoods “white” Evangelical church that favors gay marriage? Get out of your office some more.

False: The issue of gay marriage is going to ruin the GOP as it is going to ruin the Church.

FYI: The issue of gay marriage is going to SPLIT the church into sheep and goats. As it should. And it already has with 1/3 of the Episcopal Bishops leaving ECUSA already. What we are witnessing with the Church is the evidence of FAITHFUL believers to Christ and his WORD versus UNFAITHFUL or “worldly” or “cavers to the world” people who truly do not want to have first obedience to Christ and his Word.

The Bible itself PREDICTS this scenario. This is called “prophecy.” Look that up too.

@ David Ignatius:
True. Gay marriage gaining acceptance with Libertarian streak running rampant in America. Selfish self interest will kill us all and ruin us all. “Common good” is dead in America’s social thinking. Libertarians=Liberals. Vote the same.

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- DLV
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 3:38am
  Libertarians are classical liberals yes but the opposite of progressivism. And also libertarians are not as evil as you claim. They generally let gay marriage fall to the states as Ron Paul did. I’m a conservative libertarian. It’s the right way to go. Maximum freedom while keeping God’s word to heart.
  
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- Jadedfate
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 10:42am
  Your views on Libertarians are rather wrong. I am a registered and dues paying member of the Libertarian party. I vote for Libertarian candidates if I like them, I didn’t care for my senate candidate so I voted Republican. In fact, I have never voted for a Democrat and cannot foresee any scenario in which I would. See, I believe vehemently in small government, and while I do agree with equal rights for gays, I don’t agree with how Democrats want to bring it about in general. I agree that the religious right has the right to believe anything they want…what they don’t have the right to do is force that morality on anyone else through legislation..just as they don’t feel it should be done to them. But this isn’t about morality..it’s about equality.
  
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- Nevertakecandyfromsocialists
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:25pm
  From the comments on this site, there seems to be a major rift on same sex marriage between social conservatives and libertarians. Most social conservatives aren’t actually arguing for a federal government role in marriage, we most likely agree its a should be decided by the states (though not entirely sure that’s 100% feasible). The difference is conservatives are arguing for the “general welfare” of society as a whole, where libertarians want rampant individual rights pushing closer to social anarchy. Conservatives think that redefining marriage will have a ripple effect on the family and society, much like no fault divorce and single motherhood did, so they see the value in defending our traditions for the general welfare of the whole. The truth is both of these groups would likely draw a line in the sand somewhere. I don’t imagine the libertarians would argue for incest, pedophilia, or bestiality on the grounds that the practitioners individual freedoms were being infringed. The conservatives are saying that it makes logical sense to draw the line where nature and God drew the line, because any point after that starts to get murky. We may look at the media stereotypes of homosexuals and say big deal let them get married, but if we accept that then we also have to accept the more radical homosexuals many of whom have openly stated they want marriage and its standards redefined, specifically monogamy. There are times when you have to strike a balance to avoid ch
  
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rawmilker
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:08am
Another skewed poll by the leftys @ Qinnipiac those darned commies just love all the gayness.

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TotallyNotATroll
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:05am
The pope and cardinals are so insulted by this comment they are praying and asking god to kill him with rainbows and unicorns.

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:38am
  They have even draped themselves in the sacred red feathered boa,
  
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electroencephalographic
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:05am
Can you actually prove that?

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- shorelineliz
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:26am
  Michael Rose wrote: Goodbye Good Men. Lots of “gay” in his book on Catholic seminaries and clergy.
  
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- electroencephalographic
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:35am
  Why would that offend a free thinker? I could’nt care less where you put what where. This is all a waste of time and
  resources.
  
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electroencephalographic
Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:04am
So what?

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:41am
  It’s the hypocrisy, stupid
  
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- electroencephalographic
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 12:54am
  Wow are’nt you a nasty cuss, Verce? Suck my sack dickbag.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 1:28am
  I was just parroting the classic, It’s the economy stupid.
  Don’t get your knickers in a wad.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 2:23am
  Mr Charles Almon…. you are one of the most stupid people I have ever seen.
  
  Get a clue and grow up fool.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 5:11am
  Hi MONK, Hehehe, that was spot on.
  
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- RedDirtTexas
  Posted on March 11, 2013 at 9:10am
  @ The-Monk…Thanks for the videos the other night. Haven’t seen John Kay in years. Was impressed with Oasis.
  
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