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Can the Boy Scouts Ban Openly Gay Members?

Mar. 13, 2013 10:55pm Christopher Santarelli

After postponing a decision on whether or not to allow gays into their organization, the Boy Scouts of America have announced this week that they are in a “listening phase” where they will ask members to fill out a 9 question questionnaire to get individual feelings and judge comfort levels to homosexuals possible in their organization.

The Boy Scouts are a private organization, and the Supreme Court has ruled that they are free to exclude members or leaders that infringe on the group’s ability to advocate public or private viewpoints. However, the Supreme Court and the Court of Public opinion are different. The president and Mitt Romney expressed criticism of the Boy Scouts ban in 2012, and the BSA has lost corporate sponsors over the policy.

On ‘Real News’ Wednesday the panel discussed the controversy and if the Boy Scouts can continue to remain an exclusively heterosexual organization by law and public opinion.

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Scruff
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:04am
To one of the survey questions which asked “what is your greatest fear if the BSA changes it’s stance?, I responded:

That the institution of the Boy Scouts of America will fail. That the significance of my Eagle Scout rank, and that of two of my three sons will become valueless. That our troop will disband and my third son will never attain Eagle (because we will no longer be participating in scouting).

Scouting is a tool for families (especially fathers) to use to help develop their sons into men. It is, generally speaking, an opportunity for them to interact with exemplary role models. Sodomy (doesn’t sound as innocuous as “homosexuality”, but let’s call a spade a spade) is not a manly virtue, nor do sodomites provide an appropriate role model for virtuous, reverent behavior .

You cannot allow individual units, districts or councils to “do their own thing” on this matter. The idea is so stupid that it pains me greatly that you are considering it. Beyond the fact that Camporees, Summer Camps, High Adventure, Jamborees, etc. all require for their success the involvement of multiple troops from various areas, the main point is this:
The Scout Law and The Scout Oath both rule out immoral, deviant behavior, regardless of the fact that there exist in our society many outspoken fools who would rather behave like animals than men.

MAN UP!
YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE 100% OF THE PEOPLE HAPPY.
YOU DON’T NEED A SURVEY TO MAKE A DECISION ON PRINCI

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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:28am
  Whoa there, big guy! You’re making an awful lot of hateful and ignorant comments all in one post! Let’s see if we can break this down….
  
  Why will scouting fail, why will your eagle rank become meaningless? That makes no sense at all.
  
  Sodomy actually refers to specific sexual acts, which the vast majority of straight couples perform as well. Homosexuality refers to a person’s attraction, which they have no control over; it does not mean sex. There are plenty of gay virgins out there, and also plenty of virtuous, reverent homosexuals as well. I’m not sure why you think all gay people are so evil.
  
  I do agree that you should not allow individual units or troops to make their own decision on this matter. That is just permitting discrimination and bigotry and causing confusion for the whole. I’m also not sure why you think that an attraction you have no control over makes you immoral and deviant or act like animals. It seems like you don’t actually know any gay people, and are making assumptions from the fear-mongering from some extreme right-wingers.
  
  Being gay does not mean you are a deviant, immoral, or even sexual at all. Perhaps if you all allowed gays and stopped focusing on sexuality, this would all go away. The emphasis should be on raising good scouts and finding good leaders, not their sexuality.
- Raging_Waters
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 2:39am
  @HARRYPOTTER
  
  Being gay/lesbian is a FETISH, like people who dress up as babies or animals for sexual gratification. Most don’t want their fetish to be known, BECAUSE THEY’RE ASHAMED OF IT! Nobody is perfect, but when people start pushing their fetishes on everyone else, they DESERVE to be shunned for their foolishness. Keep your fetishes to yourself. If your concience condemns you for it maybe it’s time to consider some life changes. But at least have some humility. Sheesh!!!
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 2:57am
  Raging:
  
  First of all, no, gay is a sexual orientation. There is an important difference here. Your sexuality refers to the gender you are attracted to, and find the deepest connection with. A fetish is tangential to sex, related to toys or other body parts. This can come in many forms, and is usually relegated to foreplay. Both gay and straight people have fetishes, but a fetish is an interest surrounding sex, while sexuality is the gender you love physically and emotionally.
  
  Also, why should you be ashamed of a fetish? This is an interest, that (so long as it is done safely) should be embraced and explored by a loving couple. By ignoring a fetish, you only build frustration and resentment, and miss out on an added bond that could strengthen your relationship. Frankly, it seems more foolish to try and bottle up your urges and fetishes.
  
  And for the record, my conscience has no problem with me being gay. There was an issue of me hiding my sexuality before I came out however….
  
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- Swalker
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 3:42am
  Harry potter;
  Being Gay is not being quiet and refraining from making it an issue. Being gay means you want to force your sexual preference on the people around you and then force them to accept it as part of their existence.The thing I see is that these should not be a public stand, it is not about being out, one should never need to brag or push their sexual ideas on the people around them. Keep it to yourself.
  I choose not to be in a position of accepting their sexual choices and do not need to be forced to accept them. I do not demand they recognize my sexual preference. so why should they force me or force me to send my child into their culture as if it were a required part of connection. Some things need not be aired for the world to celebrate. What you do in private is yours to do.
  
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- jrl0912
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 5:39am
  Harry Potter….you are taking the typical new social view about homosexuality, that its just another form of human interaction, and not actually “sexual” (have you looked at ANY gay event, with the groping and kissing and fondling), that it’s not a choice, (not settled science), etc. Let’s just say for the sake of this discussion that everything is OK with a gay lifestyle (therefore for everyone)…..if everyone chose this “normal”, or at least acceptable lifestyle, then humankind would cease to exist….does this sound like the way our world was set up….oh, I forgot that our world was created by the “big-bang”, not intelligent design by something other than mere happenstance….there is no superior being involved.
  
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- TheEndIsComing
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:09am
  Harry Potter, you’re just plain wrong. Homosexuality is evil. It is not about homosexual virgins walking around who are virtuous and do nothing wrong.
  
  Homosexuality is about deviousness from nature. For male homosexuality it IS about sodomy, oral sex, masturbation – deviant sexual behaviors. And I don’t buy your blanket statement that most heterosexual couples practice sodomy. Baloney!
  
  If Boy Scouts approve open gays to be in scouting, it will be the end of scouting as we know it. They don’t seem to get that. Those leaders and scouts that form the core of the hard working support for scouts will leave because this is a non-negotiable to them. That will leave the gays and the wishy washy middle that drop off their boys at scouting and provide nothing in the way of leadership.
  
  Who cares what the gays think? They’re so quick to use the PC term “hate.” They do that because they CANNOT win the arguement based on logic or according to what’s normal in nature. What it is really about is where we draw the line for good and bad.
  
  For one side anything goes – if you feel it, it’s normal. Society has to change everything for their feelings. For the other side, it’s about right and wrong, demonstrated over the history of the world. It’s not about hate.
  
  Have no doubt that we are headed to a breaking point. It’s coming very soon. War is going to finally solve the constant onslaught of lawlessness, immorality, and evil that is being pushed down our throats.
  
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- QuasiLibertarian
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:11am
  @Scruff…..I too am against the allowance of openly LGBT/Atheist in the scouts, but I will not withdraw my son if the BSA is forced to allow them in…and that is the key…they are being squeezed to capitulate…..If you essentially take your marbles and leave, then you are teaching them to run away rather than stand firm and fight the good fight…….I will not allow a very small minority of people that will at best be a few here and there keep my son away from the scouting experience and what that does for him……..You would deprive your kid a chance of being an Eagle (which after 18 Years old he cannot get) over your ideology?…….
  
  If LGBT are allowed, I doubt few will enter. This is more about forcing the BSA to yield than for them to participate on any significant level. They will “Spike the Ball” and move on to another organization that they can take down like locusts……
  
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- Melika
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:27am
  Whoa there Potter – classifying the “vast majority of heterosexuals” as active, regular participants in sodomy is quite a stretch of the imagination. Your porn collection and swingers club doesn’t constitute a good basis for the “vast majority”, not even a little bit.
  Contrary to the new age hype, homosexuality by it’s very definition IS a deviant behavior. While it is possible (but not convincing) to have an extremely small percentage of the population “born” homosexual, that does not give them a right to practice their proclivities in a society, just as we don’t give murderers a right to practice, regardless of the willing “victims” who would surely volunteer for such behavior (and there are people who do). A society decides which behaviors are deemed acceptable and beneficial to the whole and homosexuality is not one of them. Homosexuals are not the same, they don’t think the same, and they certainly don’t act the same as the “vast majority”, which makes the vast majority question (rightly so) their inclusion and participation in activities in which the vast majority participates, like adoption and marriage.
  People love “causes” to make themselves feel superior to others, but it begs the question, just because someone is the “underdog”, are they really worth our support? Should we all back the Black Panthers just because they are a minority?
  
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- redfish52
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:57am
  Ok…I have this solved….The BSA should have troops that are for the LGBT Community only. This would make everyone comfortable and the chance of bullying would diminish. This could be just the first baby step instead of the old “were queer and were here” stance. How knows, in the next 100 years it may not be that big a deal.
  As far as the current plan…why is it we only have the gay scouts feelings in mind. Why have I not heard anything from the LGBT Community on how they would handle those non-gay scouts who might be uncomfortable sharing a tent. shower etc. with a gay member. As it is now it’s the old were here…get over it. Perhaps the gay members could break the ice with a long, passionate hug while reciting lines from Jerry McQuire..I.E.- “I want you to be the man I know you can be”
  
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- Female
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:46am
  HP,
  
  Sodomy is a mildly offensive word compared with what I call it at my house to my children, so, as to negate any type of confusion: B-F, C-L, toy strappers
  
  I think I have come up with a new term that the blaze might allow just now to describe what I believe the act is septic-diving.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:12am
  Scruff – outstanding post
  
  The sodomites do 1/3 of the nations child molestations. They carry 64% of the nations syphilis, and made up 57% of new HIV cases last year, but they are only 2.5% of the population.
  
  They are a sick and twisted groupd that recruits children into their wicked lifestyle
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 3:39pm
  Swalker:
  
  Actually, being gay means you are attracted to your own gender. And I agree, people should not have to publicly announce their sexual orientation. I look forward to the day when no one cares, and all are treated equally. But you say that you don’t care if anyone accepts your sexual orientation. What if you were denied access to useful organizations like the Boy Scouts because of who you loved? What if you were denied marriage and all the legal benefits that went with it? What if you were able to be fired just because of the person you loved? It is much easier to be critical when you are not being discriminated against.
  
  JRL:
  
  Please see above for what gay means. But sure, gay pride events have gay men and women openly displaying their sexuality and sexual nature. Here’s the thing, if you don’t want to see, don’t go to the parade! Change the television channel! No one is forcing this on you!
  
  And if you think that you can choose your sexual orientation, prove it! Choose to be gay for a day, be attracted to your own gender for 24 hours. If you can’t do this, what makes you think we can choose?
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 3:53pm
  Theend:
  
  Please see above for what being gay is. And sodomy refers to oral or anal sex, not necessarily with another man, so yes, most straight couples perform sodomy. And even if some leaders leave (I doubt many will), there will now be excellent gay leaders to take their place. If someone would refuse to stay with the organization because gay boys were allowed, they are clearly not qualified to be a leader in the first place. And how is homosexuality unnatural? It is found in nature (1500 species), and it has been with humanity longer than human history. Seems pretty normal to me.
  
  Melika:
  
  Please see above for the definition of sodomy. And how is being gay abnormal or deviant behavior? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it is wrong. We don’t allow murderers to kill people because that actively harms someone else. How is being in a loving, consensual relationship harming anyone? And it seems that you are trying to feel superior to us, not the other way around. We just want equality, and you want continued discrimination.
  
  Redfish:
  
  Interesting solution, but many times there are just 1 or 2 gay scouts in an area. It would be illogical to try and make gay troops as the numbers would not work out, besides, that still sets the discrimination precedent. And if someone is uncomfortable sharing, treat that as you would any current situation where someone is uncomfortable sharing with the “weird” boy.
  
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- Fecal_Matters
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:52pm
  You can believe the deviant prog professors that teach homosexuality is not a choice and is normal all you want. But it is an abhorrent deviant sexual behavior. It does nothing to advance society, it’s practice by a minority, and has no place around children! Having said that…why can’t these P’sOS rump rangers and carpet muncher’s start their own organization with pink uniforms. Oh wait because they are trying make a statement. So they really don’t want to join BSA they just want to screw something else up. Nevermind…
  
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- formidable_foe
  Posted on March 15, 2013 at 1:17am
  Sh#$* or get off the Potter,
  
  You are still spouting that homosexuals have no choice about their attraction, and this is simply false. Empirical research says you are wrong. You are obviously convinced you are right, but it is only in your mind. You have no proof, nor does anyone else. Remember there are delusional people who believe they are famous rock stars, political figures, Jesus Christ, etc…. as Lincoln said, “I think, therefore I am.” Sexual orientation is a process much more complicated than picking what clothes you put on today. Quit painting it like the choice to be homosexual equates to a simple everyday task. A person is not even necessarily consciously aware of all the influences that have occurred and innumerable decisions they’ve made that have contributed to their ultimate conclusion of who they’re attracted to sexually. Abandoning one’s natural sexual orientation doesn’t happen overnight.
  You’re argument about homosexual behavior in animals is also irrelevant. The primary thing that separates humans from animals is a sense of morality. We have it (although we often reject it), and animals do not. Animals also mimic behaviors of procreation without regard to their subjects. Do you think dogs are attracted to you when they hump your leg? I will remind you that some species of animals also eat their own crap, as well as their offspring. What other behaviors in the animal kingdom do you look to in order to rationalize your own?
  
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USA-Ron
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:03am
a boy (that calls himself a boy) that is gay, is NOT a boy,

boys grow into men that like women, NOT boys growing to

men that like men that way. Duh !!!

ergo……….. “Boy Scouts”

if you are gay, join the Girl Scouts

Repent, Jesus is Coming Soon

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- savagenatn
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 2:37am
  good post Ron
  
  you’re da mn right the scouts can ban ho mos! Let the fruitcakes form their own gay scouts then they can have all the gay orgies they can handle. Stop forcing this sick garbage on the rest of us for crying out loud!!
  
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HarryPotter
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:58pm
Legally, they certainly can discriminate as much as they want, the Supreme Court already decided that one. Morally, they are denying a group of boys access to their organization based on something they cannot control. Seems pretty immoral to me.

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- Raging_Waters
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 3:17am
  Could you define immoral, please? Where did you get such a concept?
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:00am
  Raging:
  
  I got the concept from Christianity, actually. But that is a fair question, different people have different perceptions of morality. For me, something is immoral if it is harmful to another person or group of people. In this case, by denying gay boys access to this organization, they are missing out on the camaraderie, lessons, and support that the BSA offers other boys. This is not a physical harm, but it is a harm of neglect and a psychological harm. If allowing gay boys into scouting were dangerous, or there were any rational reason not to allow them to join, I would feel differently. But by keeping them out, they are being harmed, and by letting them join, nothing would change for the organization or current scouts.
  
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- jrl0912
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 5:41am
  Why do you keep saying “they cannot control”…what science do you have to back up this statement….you know very well this is still to be determined (except in the minds of progressives with an agenda).
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:26am
  Boil it all down and the real issue is capitulation.Maybe its time to form the gay version of the boy scouts and leave the established one alone.Look, if you are gay. then you of all people ,should know the mounting frustration and anxiety that capitulation brings.Why put them through that?Its not going to change the minds hearts of those who steadfastly believe it to be wrong.It would be better to spend your money time and effort on opening a gay version of the boy scouts than changing the established one.
  Think about it.You could then be a role model and who knows in a few years even those who are adamantly against you might end up praising you for it.It is truly better than spinning your wheels and going no where in your effort which is what you currently seem to be doing.
  
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- DamoclesAurelius
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:41pm
  HP,
  
  So you are saying the homosexuals are completely incapable of controlling their behavior? Because that would be the definition of an “openly practicing homosexual”: one who not only feels compelled to act on certain unnatural impulses, but who ACTUALLY acts on them.
  
  Gays will not be banned if they do not engage in behavior that is contrary to the “moral straightness” of the Scout Oath.
  
  Your arguments are invalid.
  
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Fitzzz
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:52pm
I would not feel comfortable having my young son going off on an overnight trip with gay scout leaders,
And I would not feel safe sending my young daughter to a sleep over at Rosie’s house

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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:01am
  How about having your son stay the night at Michael Jackson’s house? Or Jerry Sandusky’s house? Both of those men claimed to be straight, were married to women and had children. Is that the stable environment you are looking for?
  
  Just because a man claims to be straight doesn’t mean he won’t abuse boys. And just because a man is gay doesn’t mean he will abuse boys. These arguments are rather thoughtless.
  
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- Ahcma
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:23am
  I don’t know where some people get their beliefs. I was always taught “don’t judge a book by it’s cover”. My mother rammed that into me since I was able to talk. She had been a victim of bigotry because she was hispanic. A person who is gay (male or female) is just like a person who is heteralsexual, they are not going to “come on” a person just because of their sex. Do all hetrosexuals make moves upon the opposite sex??? NO, of course not. Neither do gays do the same with their own sex. I have friends who are gay, do I feel uncomfortable around them??? NO. I know that I’m not their type, and they know I’m not their type. Do I feel uncomfortable around other MEN???? NO. I’m not their type and they KNOW I’m not their type. We’re friends and that’s all.
  
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- TurboCat
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:14am
  These people who constantly “advocate” for these causes should leave the Boy Scouts the hell alone. See what’s already happened to the Girl Scouts. They have been lured and enticed by radical leftist groups who want to subvert their wholesome American traditions. That’s why re-defining marriage is bad for kids and bad for society. I’m not talking about individual gay people who just go about their daily lives. I’m talking about the radical groups who work feverishly to subvert anything pro-American tradition.
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:15pm
  Ahcma:
  
  Precisely. Thank you for your comments.
  
  Turbocat:
  
  What American traditions are you referring to? Discrimination? That certainly has been a tradition, but it is one I would like to see die out.
  
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COFemale
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:50pm
I want to know how the Boy Scouts are going to prevent gay pedophile leaders from molesting other straight or gay scouts? That is my question. What checks and balances are you going to have to prevent such an occurrence? Allowing gay leaders is like putting the fox in the hen house. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

I’m sorry if my views don’t fit the Liberal mantra. Liberals don’t care who they F and when it does not work out and they get preggers they kill the baby. They have no responsibility for their actions. They have no moral code and neither do gays. You can call me a homophobe all you want, it won’t hurt my feelings. I am not afraid of gays, I just don’t support their sexual lifestyle. It is not normal. The “anus” is not a VJJ. Besides fecal matter causes E-coli.

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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:04am
  The BSA have had plenty of molestation problems without gays being allowed.
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:08am
  Sadly, there have been molestation cases. So back in the 90′s, there was a new “buddy system” rule, in which no scout/adult leader could wander out alone. It had to have been at least 2 scouts and a leader, or 2 leaders and a scout, always 3. Even if the adult leader was your own father.
  
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- cgnick
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 1:37pm
  The same thing that stops the “straight” troop leaders from molesting the scouts.
  
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idarusskie
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:49pm
The boy scouts in Canda lets the gays in and lost 50% of their memberhsip.

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- ihasa
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:06am
  This is not true. Canada never banned gays. Only the American scouts made homosexuality an issue. No other equivalent national scouting organisation prohibits gays or ever has done.
  
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- ihasa
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:34am
  Gays were banned from the BSA by radical Christian activists in the 1980s. Noone else in any other country thinks forcing children in the scouts to draw a line in the sand about their sexual identity is appropriate. Banning gay leaders is one thing, but banning gay kids is wacko.
  
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media-bias-steals-elections
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:46pm
Well of course it can, and it has to, since aiding and abetting underage sex amounts to child pornography?

It must be fun to be the Pope?

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Lawrence7
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:46pm
BTW this is nothing more that government bullying private organizations into doing something they don’t want to do, all for the purpose of appeasing other privately motivated special interest groups.

What precedent does this set for the government dictating other private organizations who want to define their own specific identity … and practice specific beliefs? Which special interest groups get government backing and which special interest groups don’t?

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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:54pm
  Actually, this is the public advocating for the change, not the government. The government, through the Supreme Court, made it’s decision years ago, and has not been involved since. Now, the people are standing up to the discrimination, and urging corporate sponsors to stop funding the BSA to get them to change their minds.
  
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- amtsoundsmith
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:54am
  HARRYPOTTER- Actually, this is the public advocating for the change, not the government. Proof please? Why can’t the loud, gay minority just start their own “scouts”.
  
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- HarryPotter
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 4:18pm
  Smith:
  
  Proof? Ok, this issue is not currently being explored by any branch of government at any level. Therefore, it is being done by the people. And look up at my earlier comments to see why gay scouts creating their own group is not the right solution.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 11:26pm
  “Actually, this is the public advocating for the change, not the government.”
  
  No it absolutely is not. This is the gay and radical feminist lobby advocating to destroy everything that is male only and doesn’t allow homosexual deviancy. The fact idiots like you think this is a wonderful thing is sickening. Just join the girl scouts and be the girly men you are.
  
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Vision Harry
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:42pm
Blurring the lines between good and evil/That’s what Lucifers’ favorite past time is.
Wrong is still wrong even if everyone is doing it.
Right is right even if no one is doing it.
We are slowly,scratch that, Quickly being bound with Satans’ chains and dragged down to hell.

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Lawrence7
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:41pm
BSA can reject homosexuality and lose corporate sponsors, or they can accept homosexuality and lose a whole bunch of members. Question is, which is the better option, losing sponsors or losing members … is there any point to sponsors if there are no members?

Keep in mind the BSA primary focus is their members, not their sponsors. I hope BSA makes a wise choice in this matter.

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- TheEndIsComing
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:27am
  This is where the moral side must step forward and find sponsors that will continue, or start to sponsor BSA and lets the chips fall where they may. Let those that are politically correct go away. IT’S TIME TO STAND UP PEOPLE AND TAKE SIDES. Are you going to be on the wrong side with immorality, or the correct side with virtue and morality? No decision is a decision for evil. The shaking is going on RIGHT NOW. The middle is disappearing and you have to be on one side or the other.
  
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The-Monk
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:40pm
“Can the Boy Scouts Ban Openly Gay Members?”

Yes, but they wouldn’t have to so much if they let the Scout Children open carry.

Open gay…. open carry. If one bothers the other. Well….

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- Keatonc333
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:49pm
  Great idea! Lets give a bunch of 6 year olds guns to go camping! what could go wrong? sure they can barely color inside the lines yet, but I’m sure they are all completely capable of handling a fire arm!
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:33am
  Keatonc333
  
  Boy Scouts are teenagers. A 6 year old isn’t even old enough for Cub Scouts (which is 7 to 11 1/2)
  
  I was armed with a semi-auto at age 12, with hollow points. And marksmanship is a merit badge in Boy Scouts.
  
  You wouldn’t know these things since you are educated by progressives and your parents let them drug you so you can’t own a gun. I still feel pity on you and your Life. Very sad indeed.
  
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- resme
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:54am
  Hi, Monk.
  
  I had an 4-10 at like age 3 or 4, I’d have to ask my dad, lol…
  
  Get over yourself, Keaton….
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 1:43am
  Hi Resme,
  
  Hope all is well.
  
  I really feel sorry for this kid. His life was all screwed up at a young age.
  
  And it shows. : (
  
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Jedrin
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:36pm
Goes to show how invasive regulations have become. And the Lookie Loo public. Shouldn’t this all be decided by the Scouts and not public opinion?

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TommyGuns
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:35pm
They clearly have the right to exclude anyone that they want to exclude, whether it’s gays, atheists, or boys with red hair. That doesn’t mean that businesses or individuals should support them. If you don’t like the fact that they discriminate, you can always vote with your wallet or your feet. Don’t contribute anything to them, don’t buy anything from them, and don’t allow your son to join. You do have to wonder whether they’re re-examining their stance on gays because it’s harming their bottom line. It would seem to follow then that their ethics and morality are negotiable. Now what does that teach the kids entrusted to their care?

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- mr skeffington
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:56pm
  Perhaps the bottom line is a consideration. But I wonder if they are more concerned with the increasing harrassment that the boys are being subjected to by those who simply are intolerant of their stand against allowing gays in the boy scouts. If they continue to stay true to their founding principles than it certainly will get worse.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:12am
  Are you talking about the Boy Scouts or Congress? :-p
  
  We have become a nation without principles. When you have no foundation, you shift under the pressure and ultimately crumble.
  
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stopprintn
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:34pm
Scout Oath
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

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- stopprintn
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:39pm
  Scout Law
  A Scout is:
  Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful,
  Friendly, Courteous, Kind,
  Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty,
  Brave, Clean, Reverent
  
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- Hatcher
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:03am
  Yes, but why would they? Promoting good principles to boys is good for gay boys too. Is it so awful to teach a gay kid camping, survival skills, and good character. If the Scouts are teaching kids how to have sex and not how to start a fire, then the kids sexuality would matter. Boyscouts of America banned atheists, and that’s about as un-American as it gets. So this does surprise me.
  
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sinner-saint
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:30pm
I’m a former boy scout and a heterosexual. Hell no we don’t want gays in the Scouts. I like sleeping in peace at night and not having to worry about some other **** scout or a troop leader looking at me or touching me wrongfully. I can assure you that when that happened and it was me, I would put my Boy Scout knife or ax to very good use. I don’t want to sleep with a gay, bathe with a gay or live with a gay. and I surely don’t want to run the risk of being exposed to any bodily fluids of a gay at all. Yes. the Boy Scouts should ban gays….at the minimum have two separate arms of the Boy Scouts. They coulkd have the Gay Boy Scouts and the Boy Scouts. Keep the heterosexuals saeparated completely from the gays or you will have some killings.

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- RisetovotesiR
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 1:28am
  Jim Crow laws?
  
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NewCreationDave
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:29pm
” … Mitt Romney expressed criticism of the Boy Scouts ban in 2012″
See why it’s a waste of time participating in the appointment of our “elected” leaders?

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- idarusskie
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:46pm
  Mitt Romney was a boy scout drop out.
  
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NiModo
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:29pm
A minority group that chooses their behavior, defined by how they have sex…..smh.
Boy scouts should be able to do whatever the heck they want. and so should you.

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- Hatcher
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:48pm
  Right on.
  
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KyleD
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:26pm
No matter what they shouldn’t allow leaders to be gay but I can’t help but think that being exposed to some good examples might be a good thing for children convinced by their parents, teachers and classmates that they’re gay.

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americansfightingforcommonsense
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:22pm
They should and they must hold strong to their qualifications to be a member of the BSA. If they give in to ****-sexuality it WILL be the end of the Boys Scouts of America as we know it. Most, if not all, religious organizations that are affiliated with them now will sever their alliance. No one will keep it going especially not the any community. Sink or Swim! Righteousness or Evil. The BSA will lose all that it has accomplished over the last 100 years.

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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:55pm
  Gays are slowly infiltrating into churches, too, becoming members of positions of he boards of churches, such as financial officer, etc, who get a vote on who to hire and what policies the churches will follow.
  
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- americansfightingforcommonsense
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:08am
  That may be true in some churches. In the LDS church though, there are no paid clergy and there is NO voting for any”position” or “calling” extended to members. Someone could consider themselves “gay” and still hold a calling as long as they do not act on that temptation. Sex outside of marriage is a sin and therefore is a character trait that would be looked at when considering someone for a certain calling. Much prayer and spiritual guidance is sought for every calling extended.
  
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pagraywolf
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:07pm
To have done as much caving as they already have, the BSA are cowards.

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82dAirborne
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:06pm
Yes.

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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:05pm
who cares

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- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:28pm
  The boy scouts that have to go camping with them.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:07am
  this ranks approximately #956 on most important issue today
  
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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:01pm
All they need to do is bring in a hot dog and a taco, ask them, “Which one do you prefer?” If they don’t choose a taco, kick em out. It’s not that they are gay, they just didn’t pick the appropriate snack.

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- The-Monk
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:37pm
  Hi Darmok,
  
  LMAOROTF !!!!!! Too funny.
  
  I remember a guy getting kicked out of high school for wearing a “If God didn’t make…..” taco t-shirt. He refused to turn it inside out so they sent him home. Know which saying that is? LOL
  
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- holy ghostbuster
  Posted on March 15, 2013 at 7:33am
  Unfortunately for the BSA, most kids would choose the hot dog. And, have you ever seen anyone roast a taco over an open fire?
  
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Jake Dog2
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:01pm
They can and they should!!!

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Ironmaan
Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:00pm
The Boy Scouts are a PRIVATE organization. As per the Supreme court, they CAN exclude gays. If you don’t like it, TOO BAD.

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- TH777
  Posted on March 13, 2013 at 11:59pm
  If they don’t like it then they need to form the “Gay Boy Scouts Club”. Case closed.
  
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