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Are Concerns About a National Gun Registry Reasonable?

Mar. 14, 2013 7:13am Christopher Santarelli

A bill to expand background checks for gun buyers is now on the way to the Senate floor where, despite original thinking on the issue, it is likely to be met with fierce opposition. The hang-up is the concern that these background checks could lead to a national gun registry making it fairly simple for the federal government to seize weapons from legal gun owners if need be. But proponents of the bill say the entire notion is absurd.

Critics of the law and possible registry can point to California, where California Justice Department agents can track down and disarm people with legally registered guns who have lost their ownership rights. Bloomberg reports that almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or those deemed mentally unstable. California is the only state that tracks purchases and then uses that information to seize firearms from people who are no longer legally able to possess them. If the state determines that weapons need to be seized, all guns are taken from the home, whether they are registered to the person at fault or another co-habitant.

‘Real News’ Wednesday opened up discussing the bill in the Senate, and whether it is that unreasonable to track in order to seize gun from owners like those no longer deemed unfit in California.

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batteredtaxpayer
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:27am
governments do the opposite of what they say. Slippery slope her folks. History tells us otherwise. Molon Labe

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- starman70
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:41am
  AMEN ON: MOLON LABE!!! Just ask the Jews of Hitlers day (The few still living), the population of the USSR under Stalin (The few still living) or the citizens of the “Peoples Republic of China” under Mao (The few still living). They will ALL tell you that any form of government registration WILL lead to confiscation and when citizens cannot protect themselves the outcome will eventually be totalitarianism.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:04am
  it isn’t even a slippery slope here, registration is the cliff in which our rights take a dive. Registration IS confiscation in waiting.
  
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- JRGJR
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:52am
  No worries here I lost all of mine last year.
  
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- mecanic
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:19pm
  μολὼν λαβέ………………….live free or die. citizens are armed….subjects are not.
  
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- SUNTZU
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 12:32pm
  They wont stop till they
  have All the guns
  or….
  
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1FreeVoice
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:22am
I was reading a book by Judge Napolitano about Theodore and Wilson, 2 presidents that paved the way for centralized government power and the undermining of the constitution… I think we need to start a movement on the ground to restore voting rights to the states. The state governments used to have voting rights in congress, they were called senators but represented the state governments, while the house represented the public. When we started having the public elect the senators, that eliminated the bicameral legislature in all but name. We now have the house representing the public ( which elects them) and the other house representing the public which elects them. There is no voice for the state governments which would counter the centralization of power from the people and states to the federal government. How has that been working out in practice?

Time to seriously re-think the experiment. It wouldn’t be the first time that we passed a constitutional amendment to undo a previous change. Prohibition and it’s repeal is the obvious precedent. I think the Judge is right, and it would end up helping protect our rights…including gun rights. Some states are passing gun control legislation, but even they would have an interest in keeping what laws they do or don’t want under their own control rather than being imposed from DC.

Slogans like “give the United States their vote back” might be good. What do you think?

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- JoeinNC
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:25am
  Repeal the 17th! Great idea probably impossible to get it done.
  
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- fingerprintguy
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:26am
  I like that Idea. As originally written in the constitution, before the amendment, the Governor of the staes should appoint the senators.
  
  Wouldn’t that be a hoot.
  
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Watcher1952
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:21am
If they pass this law…..it will turn into California…..then they will have a bunch more dead people to include law enforcement……. I will not give up my weapons without a struggle…..do not open your doors willingly…..do not invite law enforcement into your homes without a warrant….do not go out side to talk…they don’t have to let you back in…..LOCK & LOAD cuz the crap is hitting the fan a little bit at a time

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mgh999
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:09am
No really I trust the Government, even though they apparently don’t trust me.

If the state determines that weapons need to be seized, all guns are taken from the home, whether they are registered to the person at fault or another co-habitant.

Who has these laws – NY and California? Yet those two states have 20% of the most dangerous cities (over 1,000 murders per year in just over their cities – over 10% of the country’s annual murders)

How’s that working for them?

Whatever happened to “derive their power from the consent of the people?”

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blissdesignz
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:06am
By the way everyone…. Just a heads up. The Republican RINO’s, the Democrats & the NRA are working together & have made a secret backroom deal. So this will probably pass & stun the heck out of us. Just wanted to pass along the info.
Here’s an article on it; (the TEA Party site also has one with the same ‘jist).
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/republicans-democrats-and-the-nra-secretey-working-on-full-gun-control-legislation_032013

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jettson
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:05am
America do not comply. This is the battle cry. This is the law….. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED God save America.

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TROONORTH
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:04am
I will never understand why you Americans will not look north to Canada when you want to know the value of a national gun registry. We are a similar demographic in a similar society. The comparison is almost exact.

Here is what we found out;

- The gun registry was a huge waste of billions of tax payers dollars.
- It had no measureable impact on crime rates.
- It did nothing to stop shootings.
- It didn’t remove any guns from the hands of bad guys.
- It made criminals of tens of thousands of Canadian gun owners who refused to register their guns.
- It allowed the police to, on the flimsiest of charges, kick in your door and as a measure to secure the ‘crime scene’ seize all of your guns.

A national gun registry in the United States would be a huge mistake. It would make criminals out of millions who refused to comply, leave guns in the hands of bad guys and empower the police and other law enforcement officers to enter your homes under the pretext of an unrelated ‘charge’ and seize your guns.

Canadians eventually got around to electing a Conservative government that did the right thing and scrapped the registry. It took over ten years to do. How long are you willing to wait?

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:13am
  Most Americans don’t want this. It’s not like “we” are pushing for this, it’s coming from D.C. whose sole motivation is to disarm us.
  
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SamIamTwo
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:36am
More laws, gotta have more regulations, more paperwork, more forms to fill out, and hire more people.

Stop with the insanity already. Unwind the gov’t down to the essentials.

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Sargeking
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:33am
No politician or Washington Insider could pick a worse battle at a more critical time than to propose anti-American human rights as guaranteed under the Bill of Rights. People sense, and rightly so, that we are facing an impending collapse. In a real crisis the first bulwark of society to fall is police protection. I’ve lived through hurricanes and witnessed first hand that the people are left on their own and must do the best they can to survive. Now the Libs want to disarm the American people just when the Modern Prometheus (Frankenstein) is knocking at their door? Wrong answer Libs.

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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:52am
  Sarge: I honesty think the progressives don’t care. They are sharks with blood in the water.
  
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- blissdesignz
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:52am
  Don’t you see? That’s exactly WHY they’re rushing through so much ‘gun control’ right now.. That’s why Biden wants us to only have a shotgun. That’s why they’re stockpiling weapons of war at a mad pace. Because they KNOW a collapse is near & it’s totally by design. Marxists & tyrannical usurpers thrive on chaos.(Kinda like when they let out the dangerous criminals.. They want that chaos). They’ve been actively working on the collapse of our currency & they don’t want to be outgunned when the SHTF.
  And to answer the ridiculous question asked in the title; Historically speaking registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation & WE will NOT COMPLY with any tracking of our firearms. Nooooo way!!!
  To all those gun grabbers we say Molon Labe!!!!! (If you can find em) ;-)
  
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dublinthewagons
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:21am
Stick the goose with a fork. We are almost done.

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- coachpan
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:36am
  Pray, as George Washington did. The odds against him and his army were greater. Thus was born the Greatest Country ever; the United States of America. Don’t let the radicals have any satisfaction.
  
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Sargeking
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:21am
A national “Universal Background Check” is simply a Fed conduit for future confiscations under Obama’s emergency powers via Executive Fiat. That’s the downside. The upside is that the proposed law can be easily skirted. There are more than 186 million guns in private hands and they will be grandfathered in, not subject to the draconian regulation. If a private sale is thereafter backdated before the law takes effect, then the sale will dodge the onus of the legislation. Furthermore, this “assault” on freedom can be later over turned but it is far better to first intercept this ambush on American human rights than fight the later battle.

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Alternative_Thought
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:19am
I’m starting to think Cupp and Geraldo Rivera (calls himself a conservative, ha!) would be a good combination. They just need to punish the people that are killing people.

An estimated 260 million people were killed by out of control governments in the last century. Not a whole lot of the press concerned about that.

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- FloridaRob
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:11am
  The more SE Cupp speaks, the more I understand why MSNBC hired her! She seems to have principles that are just as pliable as a politicians! I have come to loathe her appearances, and wish The Blaze TV would drop her. Her opinions are well covered on all of the other networks. The Blaze TV was supposed to offer something contrasting. Blaze TV – PLEASE let MSNBC have her.
  
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- Sargeking
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:46am
  FLORIDA: You’re spot on about S.E. My feelings and estimation exactly. Good post!
  
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nocalifornia
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:14am
Molon Labe

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- oldguy49
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:24am
  amen……pass the ammo
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:24am
  Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes!
  
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lock-n-load-in-pa
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:07am
I gave all mine away, some dude named Erik Holesomthing said he had a good plan down south on the border. I also hear stories of them turning on the owner, they are scary things. Nope don’t have any.

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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:07am
  If your defense against the confiscation of your rights is to pretend not to have firearms, you might as well turn them in now. The time to use them is precisely the time that they try to take them away. What use are firearms in the future that you have to hide in a closet and take out only at midnight to look at, being now unable to even take them out for basic target practice?
  
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- GONE_SOVEREIGN
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 1:06pm
  I was talking to a mexican guy I work with about how they disarmed the citizens in mexico. He said, they came down the streets, door to door, in several sweeps. The first group let one of his friends keep a .22 pistol, in the next sweep they took it. He said they knew if there was a weapon in the house by some type of scanner and while scanning cells phones would not work. I’m not sure what type of scanner that would be, but hiding them is out. Best to hand it over to them, barrel first
  
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DZ-015
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:05am
Why do you think they want everyone to carry a “smart card” national ID with all medical information encoded on it? So you get better care if you become incapacitated away from home? Buried in that information will be whether you possess firearms (if you told your doctor that you do, in response to questions now required to be asked), and whether you have ever visited a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other type of mental health counselor. It’s then a simple matter to carry the California confiscation scheme to a national level.

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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:20am
  Will the bar code on the Obama care ID card be track able by drone? It will be on your person @ all times. Leaving home unprotected against DHS gun snatchers
  
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- mikem1969
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:28am
  You said it, I will never register anything I have or don’t have, nor will I carry a smart id card. If any doctor ever asks me if I own a firearm, the answer is simple. First doc, owning or not owning a gun has nothing to do with my health, we are here about my health so I see no need to answer that question since it does not deal with medicine.
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:48am
  @ mike. Same as affirmative in answer.
  Q. Do you own a firearm?
  A. Guns scare me. (And they should if you don’t have one. While the criminal does)
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:08am
  There’s no need to lie. Just tell them “It’s none of your business. Next question please”.
  
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EP46
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:53am
Get this before the Supreme Court…Again…. before obama appoints new Justices. 2nd Amendment says “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT be infringed” A national gun registry IS an infringement…..Congress is sworn to uphold the constitution….hold their feet to the fire Remind them that constitutional Rights out trump their political ‘laws’

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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:10am
  Roberts sold out once, on Obama care. Don’t put too much faith in him.
  
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- jettson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:44am
  Your absolutely right. Any so called new law is BS. Shall not be infringed is the law. Anything to change this is CRAP. I will not comply and you are a fool if you do. When they come to get my guns I will tell them GUNS I hate guns and I would never own one. Hide them anyway you can. AMERICA DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:15am
  @Jettson
  
  So your defense against the revocation of your rights, is to hide and lie?
  
  And then what?
  
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- FlagWavingPatriot
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 9:56am
  You’ve touched on the biggest problem facing the 2nd Amendment…the US Supreme Court. One of the biggest consequences of Obama’s re-election is that he will likely replace one or two conservative justices (Scalia and Kennedy).
  
  And if they do outlast Obama’s second term, they’ll be replaced by the next president. It’s hard to imagine that won’t be Hillary Clinton (her polling is strong, even among GOP women).
  
  We already saw that SCOTUS is on the edge of the cliff in Heller. Losing Scalia or Kennedy, let alone both, will be a big challenge to 2A as we know it.
  
  Elections have consequences.
  
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FlagWavingPatriot
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:52am
As I understand it, the national gun registry in Canada failed badly because the people of that country, largely, did not comply. And there was nothing the government could do about it.

I admit I don’t have a good grip on Canadian issues, but that’s my understanding. Any friends from the north care to elaborate??

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- jettson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:54am
  America do not comply. This the battle cry. This is the law….. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED God save America.
  
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gunslingerpatriot
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:47am
Cesar Chavez, Fidel Castro, Mohmar Khadaffi, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, Josef Stalin, Kim Jong-iL, and Idi Amin are just a few “wonderful” leaders that come to mind when I think about gun control and national registry lists

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Aldo
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:43am
Why is SE Cupp still on the blaze. That bull **** makes my stomach turn.

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Blivit
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:37am
they missed taxachussetts, home of romneycare! read this site and see if you can spot anything that is now spreading to other states: https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentHome
also note, the license they refer to requires a background check and is issued at the pleasure of the local police chief, some are reasonable but others reject just about everyone. licenses are checked for ammo purchases and you can’t even buy pepper spray without one (though at least the local police have no discretion about issuing the limited license for just chemical sprays). and right now even though the law says they have to be issued in 40 days it is taking up to 6 months and in some cases longer to get licenses and renewals processed.

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- lock-n-load-in-pa
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 8:01am
  That is one of the reasons I had left Taxachesets a long time ago. My father was a Bank VP, never had any problems, had a carry permit as long as I can remember. When it expired the new chief in town would not renew it for him. He was told it is up to the chief and that is it period.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:36am
Procedures for a national gun registry:

One – have all registered
Two – confiscate all firearms
Three – dictatorship

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- jujubeebee
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:48am
  Yes, it does seem like they are coming at us from all angles to be prepared for a complete communist takeover. They have the media spewing propaganda, infiltrated the schools, and desparately need to take guns away or else all would be able to stop them when they take us over. They are taking pages out of history and utilizing all the ideas. They can spy on us, silence us, and manipulate us.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:35am
Are the concerns reasonable? yes.

Obama and the Democrats seek to impose a tyrannical government upon a disarmed populace.

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:35am
The concerns of many about the national gun registry is simple – step one: register all guns, step two: confiscate all guns; step three: dictatorship.

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JimCS
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:31am
What’s absurd is this idea that we, the American people, are expected to buy what the government says at face value. When did the great vocal shout-down of the Man, by the disenfranchised masses, go silent. All of a sudden we’re told to go back to trusting the Establishment. No way. Not me. I cling to my Bible, my family, and my guns….. while keeping a skeptical eye on my elected officials.

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searching for the Truth
Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:30am
Hell No !

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- searching for the Truth
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:41am
  They’ll ” dredge up ” any old and archaic infraction to take your weapons away !
  
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- gunslingerpatriot
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 7:50am
  Or make a law retroactive back 40 years, that’s what happened with the domestic violence laws when they came out a few years ago.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on March 14, 2013 at 10:13am
  They can’t take your weapons if you refuse to comply, you know.
  
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