Atheist activists are taking legal action against the U.S. Treasury. Their target? Currency.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), a church-state separatist group, put out a press release on Tuesday announcing that the organization was joining 19 other plaintiffs in challenging “In God We Trust” on federal currency.
The challenge, being made in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, was filed on Feb. 1 — and a familiar face in the battle over the First Amendment will be leading the charge.
Well-known atheist activist Michael Newdow, who has fought incessantly to have U.S. courts rule that recitations of the “Pledge of Allegiance” in public schools are unconstitutional (the utterance includes the words ”Under God”), will be representing the group.
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“Our government is prohibited from endorsing one religion over another but also prohibited from endorsing religion over nonreligion,” FFRF’s Dan Barker said in the release. “The placement of a monotheistic ideal on our nation’s currency violates this stricture and is therefore unconstitutional.”
In the complaint, non-believers allege that “In God We Trust’s” presence on currency is problematic in that it is purportedly “proselytizing, discriminatory and a per se establishment of monotheism.” These accusations, in the eyes of non-believers, constitute a violation of the U.S. Constitution’s Establishment Clause.
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According to the plaintiffs, the choice to put the popular line on currency was religious in nature. The biggest issue they have with have with coinage is the fact that they are, by their own account, forcibly exposed to faith (and “proselytized”) by the U.S. government on a regular basis. This apparently occurs each and every time they handle money.
Non-believers also claim that they are being discriminated against and excluded due to the fact that they do not embrace a higher power. The “we” in “In God We Trust” is, thus, problematic for them, as it does not include their non-theistic worldview.
In addition to the FFRF, other plaintiffs include the group NYC Atheists, among countless atheist children and adults.
You can read the complaint in its entirety here.
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Lotus503
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:19amOur hard currency are Federal Reserve Notes, issued (but not printed) by a private corporation made up of large, privately owned banks. So,aren’t they suing the wrong organization?
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oldguy49
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:22amif he really objects…….quit using it
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IMCHRISTIAN
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:36amWhen you leave God out your life is when YOU LOSE your freedom.
“How often I have wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me” Matthew 23:37 (“me first” attitude”)
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michaelmoron
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:44am@LOTUS503
You are Absolutely correct.
95% of the people are clueless, as to how our monetary system works.
JFK signed executive order 11110 granting authority BACK to the treasury to print REAL American
Money based on silver. This was 5 months before he was assassinated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVCIdrcS6k
THAT is PROOF POSITIVE that the Treasury lost it’s Authority at some point.
What Point ? 1913 was the beginning of this, under the Federal Reserve Act.
They officially Lost Authority under the Treasury Act of 1920.
These NOTES are Actually IOU’s given to our “government” in exchange for T-Bonds.
This Quick 2 minute Video explains who controls the Treasury.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
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michaelmoron
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:49amPEOPLE please watch this CLASSIC, Highly entertaining Cartoon that explains our monetary system, our Monetary history, and what we need to do to fix this !
PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL.
Angry Birds gets 80 million views on Youtube. This only has 1.6 million.
If 80 Million people saw this video, we could save ourselves and our Country from the International Bankster Cartel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU
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KevINtampa
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:52amQuite frankly I think that putting God’s good name on our currency is the offense. There is nothing Godly about our society as a whole, we shouldn’t pretend like we do by putting his name on our money. Might as well make it official, maybe He’ll fix the country sooner if we do…
We should change it to “In Sin We Follow” as it would be more accurate these days.
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TomSawyer
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:07pmCorrect. It is not illegal for a private corporation like the Federal Reserve to print “In God we Trust” on their product. It should be illegal for them to print any money, but that is another issue.
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Hugh Akston II
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:20pmYou can not prove that God does not exist. One must take it on faith that he does not exist, making atheism a religion. So all atheists that expect God to be removed from the public square expect the state to establish their religion.
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God_Is_Not
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:27pmSorry Hugh. I know you’re trying hard, but you can’t prove something DOESNT exist. Doesnt matter what it is; unicorns, gods, tooth-fairies. Not believing in unicorns is not a religion.
SquidVetOhio
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:48pmSorry GOD_IS_NOT. You can prove that something does not exist. They do it in court everyday. If I have an empty box, I can prove to you that it’s an empty box. What you are using is a tired circular reasoning ploy. The good ol’ “You can prove a negative” trick.
I’ll see that and raise you a “You can’t disprove a positive” response.
We convict or exonerate people in court mostly by the testimony of witnesses. There are more witnesses who will swear with their life the existence of God than there are who would swear on their life the non-existence of God. So, we can not prove without a reasonable doubt His existence, you can not prove beyond a reasonable doubt His non-existence. It all comes down to faith.
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michaelmoron
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:07pm“When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system WAS BEING SET UP HERE. A super-state controlled by INTERNATIONAL BANKERS and international INDUSTRIALISTS acting together to ENSLAVE THE WORLD (UN) for their own pleasure. Every effort has been made by the Fed (Reserve) to conceal its powers but the truth is — the Fed has USURPED THE GOVERNMENT!”
Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of House Comm. on Banking and Currency from 1920 to 1931
After a few unsuccessful attempts, Mc Fadden was eventually POISONED to DEATH !!!!
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God_Is_Not
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:20pmLove it Squid. You have an empty box. It exists. Therefore you have evidence of an empty box existing. Nothing more.
Must be a lot of work keeping up with all the faith you propose to have. Your no unicorn faith. Your no Zeus faith…
The_Jerk
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:27pm“Atheists Sue U.S. Treasury in Effort to Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From Currency”
That will never happen. You slippery slop conspiracy mongers are all just plain crazy. Liars!
AlansTigg
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:36pmyep!
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Soulfire1975
Mar. 14, 2013 at 2:11pmThey are infringing on my rights.
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ModerationIsBest
Mar. 14, 2013 at 2:43pmAtheism is a rejection of your claim that a God exists.
I have no evidence to think based on your claims that a God exists.
You can’t prove your God does exist.
I can’t prove your God doesn’t exist.
However, that isn’t how everyday life works.
Is it up to the defense to prove that their client didn’t do something? No, they are rejecting the plantiffs claim that the defendant did do something.
If the prosecuting attorney presents their case, and they see the jury isn’t buying it, would it then make sense for them to say, “well the defense hasn’t proven that they didn’t do it!”
Our life works like this.
You make a claim and you can either provide evidence or you can’t provide evidence for your claim.
I don’t “believe” a God doesn’t exist. I am merely rejecting you saying that your God does exist on lack of evidence.
Besides, having a viewpoint of the universe doesn’t make something a religion.
Atheists don’t worship anything.
We all don’t have one viewpoint on what we think is moral or immoral.
We don’t all read one book and say it’s the answer to everything.
We don’t pray.
So again, how is atheism a religion?
john vincent
Mar. 14, 2013 at 2:47pm-squid
good call of your retort to ‘is not’
-god-__-not
Your ‘empty box’ thing is a clever attempt at mental gymnastics in which you score a ‘ten.’ Congrats.
No answer here will satisfy you- you cannot see beyond the small box of your narrow view and closed mind.
Which reminds me of a man born blind- touched by a man, he knew not who- but ‘saw’ the color blue for the first time, and his response, ‘I do not know who did this, but one thing I do know: I was blind but now see.’
But this proof will not help you either- oh, and since I’m here, where are you going for your next breath? Or can you paint a rainbow in the heavens?
As long as you live in unbelief, you too are blind my friend.
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God_Is_Not
Mar. 14, 2013 at 3:52pm@ JV
I’m sorry you feel that way. Although I’m fairly confident you’d agree with me if we were talking about unicorns and not the god of the bible. You wouldn’t call lack of belief in unicorns a religion, would you?
I assure you I am not blind to reality. I’ll plead guilty to being blind to believing in supernatural claims with no evidence.
Independent4233
Mar. 14, 2013 at 4:22pm“Atheists (Homosexual activists) Sue U.S. Treasury in Effort to Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From Currency”
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formidable_foe
Mar. 14, 2013 at 4:32pm@God_Is_Not,
Do you know people who worship unicorns?
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valiant1776
Mar. 14, 2013 at 4:38pmIf monotheism is a religious establishment then individualism is a political institution.
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Atrum Angelis
Mar. 14, 2013 at 4:39pm@Independent4233
I have never been an activist for homosexuality. I couldn’t care less what they do. I doesn’t affect me or my marriage.
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Freedomlover_US
Mar. 14, 2013 at 5:04pmIf you took every piece of human knowledge and erased it, threw out all the books, computers, etc., we’d figure out math, physics, biology, evolution, and everything else that we know is true again. But I guarantee you NO ONE would write a book about someone in the desert who was the son of God and got crucified because it somehow forgives people of sins they were charged with before they were born. Your religion would be gone forever.
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john vincent
Mar. 14, 2013 at 5:17pm-freedom
you just gave the best proof for a ‘divine book.’
thank you kindly
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Jakeoclubs
Mar. 14, 2013 at 5:38pmFreedomlover_US – I like that. Even though most of the Christian stories were borrowed from previous religions, they hadn’t been erased so I don’t think it would flow.
My only comment is that, if Jesus of the Bible was real, true followers of his would not want his name on money. Do any of these so called Christians realize that? I will let them have the assumption there is a God and there is a Jesus and that humans should follow his book. Then I ask them why they don’t even follow the book.
This discussion reminds me of the stupidest thing anyone ever told me. I would print it but people would start repeating it like he did because he actually thought he had a legitimate
incorruptible logical argument for the existence of not only a God, but the Christian one at that.
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Rileydj
Mar. 14, 2013 at 6:40pmDitto oldguy49
And he should quiit living here, go to hisidea of a utopia…. Like Greece, or Cuba, org
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meltzen
Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:44pmJakeoclubs – bible is oldest recorded history book(divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit). I would conclude other religions(some put there own spin and what they perceive and corrupted it to deceive man and not what Gods intended purposes) used these story’s to pass on what the bible (truth) says. The bible talks bout real places and real individuals. Bible has many truths that has inspired people to do things they may ordinary might not do. (Columbus for one, according to his diary scientist of that day spoke of a flat earth but scriptures talks about a round/circle earth is40:12 and he set sail rest is history)
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Freedomlover_US
Mar. 14, 2013 at 7:55pmMELTZEN – You are sadly misinformed. The Romans kept records of everything, but there is no record outside of the Bible of anyone named Jesus (or Joshua or whatever) being crucified for calling himself the son of God. None of those events are recorded anywhere. There isn’t even any recording of the Jews being enslaved by the Egyptians, outside of your Bible. Face it – it is completely ridiculous to believe any of it is true…
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RIDEMODELS
Mar. 14, 2013 at 9:22pmIf you hate it dont use it….and my new answer to everything Gov.
My new Answer to everything Gov….
This Government has done more corrupt things to this country than any other Gov in the past……
Impeach……Impeach…….Impeach…..Impeach….!!!
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formidable_foe
Mar. 15, 2013 at 12:10am@Freedomlover,
You are alleging here that because there is no Roman record, Jesus did not exist. However, in a post you made 3 hours later in another story, you claim Jesus preached fire and brimstone. So, which is it? Did He exist or didn’t He? You can’t have it both ways. I would say that due to the eventual outcome of their crucifixion, they would be motivated to hide any evidence of the Empire’s mishandling of the man who obviously turned out to actually be the Son of God.
By the way…. you need to change your name because your abrasiveness toward Christains tells me you’re no lover of freedom, sir.
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mspat
Mar. 17, 2013 at 3:24amIf I had the money and the health, I would fight the atheists to the ground. If they don’t like our God given country then go back where you came from. America was built on the Christian faith. Everyone that comes here, should obey the laws of OUR COUNTRY. I am sick and tired of you ATHEISTS demanding to take God off of everything. Since you have money and I don’t, is not a reason for you to be holier then Thou. America get with the program and help fight these people or you loose another FREEDOM. Get off of your ass and help fight. MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA IN FIGHTING THESE DESTRUCTIVE PEOPLE.
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seek.the.truth
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:19amThe harder atheists fight to remove God from our country, the stronger God will be. God uses hardships to strengthen his people. We will proclaim our faith in God loud and strong. Atheists may think they are winning but they are not.
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Cavallo
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:29amThey’re just seeking to remove a foreign reference to a god that they don’t worship. Their god is The State, and all other deities must be removed or subjugated to their god, The State.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:03pmAbsolutely.
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TheIggies
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:28pmYeah…we’re totally losing. Even though every study, regardless of if it has a right or left lean to it, shows that this upcoming generation is the most irreligious generation ever to exist. We have iPads and smartphones. We don’t need lies and fairy tales. Especially when those lies and myths inspire hatred and evil, just like every Christian is filled with.
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seek.the.truth
Mar. 14, 2013 at 4:27pmSorry to disappoint theiggies but I do not hate you, nor did my post insinuate hate in any way. You also do not understand my remark about winning. See, you can take away everything that reminds you of my God but you can never take God away from me for he is always with me. So I cannot lose.
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Freedomlover_US
Mar. 14, 2013 at 9:13pmYou can proclaim your faith as loudly as you want, but it doesn’t make it less false or less ridiculous. Your God is powerless to make a positive change in the world – that power has always been within us.
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seek.the.truth
Mar. 15, 2013 at 11:09pmGod made a change for the positive when He allowed His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to bear sin’s heavy penalty — death. He did it for me and you too. It is His gift — salvation — the only thing you need to do is BELIEVE.
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stumpygrim
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:18amThese pieces of crap need to just die already.Their 15 minutes were up a long time ago,f-n idiots!
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bobhope
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:22amHow Christian of you.
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Rayblue
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:47pmAnd how very snot nosed of you, bobby.
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Freedomlover_US
Mar. 14, 2013 at 5:02pmThey need to die? They are the future buddy – your church is what is going to die.
If you took every piece of human knowledge and erased it, threw out all the books, computers, etc., we’d figure out math, physics, biology, evolution, and everything else that we know is true again. But I guarantee you NO ONE would write a book about someone in the desert who was the son of God and got crucified because it somehow forgives people of sins they were charged with before they were born. Your religion would be gone forever.
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Wisdom7
Mar. 14, 2013 at 5:33pm“They need to die? They are the future buddy – your church is what is going to die.”
Thanks for filling us in Satan. Ironically, your repeated claims go right along with the Bible. You’re just too stupid to know it.
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Rayblue
Mar. 14, 2013 at 6:15pmDon’t rant anymore, freedom..You’re not very good at it.
A good rant includes a listenable pitter patter of jibber jabber.
Your jibber is not the least bit jabbering and the patter is is too pittering.
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Freedomlover_US
Mar. 14, 2013 at 8:01pmWisdom, I am not Satan. And your book magically foretold that people wouldn’t believe your nonsense? No way!!! Religion is declining in the US – it will never go away, but it is declining. Maybe this anti-gay, anti-science nonsense that is driving Catholics away in droves is going to start spreading.
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Wisdom7
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:52pmOf course you’re not, but you certainly love doing his work. It won’t turn out so well for you though, and in the end, you will have a rude awakening. Perhaps if you actually read the “magical book” you would gain some understanding of that which you claim to hate. Oh and by the way, the word of God will never pass away but you certainly will.
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Freedomlover_US
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:22pmI went to Catholic school and read the entire Bible. It is completely ridiculous. I do not condone a book written by uneducated nomads that has, as the FIRST commandment, a jealous god who will not tolerate worship of other idols, but condones slavery. Add in people living 900+ years, a man swallowed by a whale, a flood, and it’s the most ridiculous thing ever written. And yes, the pats most people look over, matter just as much. Unbelievable people believe that nonsense and scary that people use it to try to govern their life and mine…
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Wisdom7
Mar. 15, 2013 at 1:10amYou might have read it, but obviously didn’t understand anything in it. That’s okay. You think having sex with another man is normal, so that says a lot. Also, no one is trying to govern your life. The fact is you and your ilk are trying to govern ours by destroying everything that doesn’t fit your way of thinking, which is perverted.
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AmericanStrega
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:17amGee, who didn’t see this coming?
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john vincent
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:13amAgain I ask, WHAT church is represented when we say: “in God we trust?’
If you are completely honest, you must answer: ‘none.’
If that is true, then where is the valid argument?
This is such a tiresome topic.
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Remember_Benghazi
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:15pmIf you take the phrase in the spirit in which it is intended, it clearly means to endorse a monotheistic god. There are only 3 main monotheistic religions in the West. You don’t even need to guess which religion McCarthy-era America, the period when the phrase was put on our money, wanted to endorse. The phrase is not inclusive to Hindus, who are polytheistic. By promoting monotheism over polytheism, the phrase, endorsed by our government, makes an assumption that one type of religion is right. This is an assumption the state has no business making, unless they give equal preference to the polytheistic religions. I don’t think many people would be too happy if the phrase was “in God, Zeus, and Vishnu we equally trust.” Until that happens, some tacit endorsement is being given to religions that believe in one god.
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GaltLine
Mar. 14, 2013 at 2:06pm@Remember
From the very beginning our founders invoked the name of our nation’s God. They did so in the Declaration of Independence. They did so before, during, and after the Constitutional convention. You would not dare ask Iran to deny their God. Why are you so bold to demand the same of us?
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john vincent
Mar. 14, 2013 at 2:24pm-galt
good call, thanks
-ben
you pretty much agreed with me by stating reference to a ‘monotheistic god—-’ The question of a ‘Creator’ is assumed, leaving people free to ignore or participate in the ‘religion’ of their choice. ‘God’ is not a religion-
Have you ever visited the capitol in Harrisburg PA? Upon the marquees are inscribed references to the law of GOd, which laws formed the govt of this country. To avoid this fact is to abide in willful ignorance, which I am certain you do not do- The men who ‘prayed’ for providence were the building blocks of the United States, you know, one nation under God??
Yet, ‘religion’ is left out, leaving men to form their own opinion. But ‘God’ alone does not suggest one religion over another. If you choose to not participate, fine, but please do not try to change the fabric on which the US was made-
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BlasberryStrat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:12amThey want currency changed, yet it’s this very TAX FREE currency that drives them to sue everyone in their path. Yes, they are classified in the U.S. Tax Code as “Non Profit Organization”. Meaning they sue YOU and make YOU give up your “Christmas” traditions, and they get to KEEP 100% of YOUR money. Isn’t that cool. The ONLY reason they’re going after currency at this time is because Christmas season is over and they have no small towns to go after and get their “pay off” to just go away.
And for Annie Gaylor – her head and face really does look just like a penis. Probably the reason she hates everything and everyone she comes in contact with. You talk about “mutt”….”woof!”.
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STREBOR
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:11amWhat’s next?????? Removing churches from public view?
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biohazard23
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:24amI would not be surprised if that becomes a tactic of theirs. I wonder if they will protest the next time dear leader decides to hold another ramadan dinner at the WH.
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seek.the.truth
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:00pmStrebor– totally can see an effort to make every church take down crosses or religious symbols that are in the public’s view. It would then be difficult to discern actual houses of worship.
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right-wing-waco
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:11amIt’s time to have a stamp made.
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SteelJewel
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:05amI will sue Atheists for for them attacking my unalienable right to do what the #^%#@ I want if you don’t like it move away.
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CatB
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:12amThe atheists are the ones who need removal .. not “In God We Trust” … why do we let this little group of whiners have any power at all .. put God back in our schools.
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txannie
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:22amYou would think people had more important things to donate money for…like feeding hungry children and non-important things Iike promoting freedom to believe or not believe the way we would like…oh, wait, that’s not in our Bill of Rights is it?…I’m confused…it’s ok for them to tell me I can’t have God printed on anything, but it’s not ok for me to tell them I would like them to just shut up and leave me alone?..sheesh, I’m in trouble now….
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YOURSENSEI
Mar. 15, 2013 at 5:26pmMr or Ms STEELJEWEL,
This is what you must know:
I want to stand in front of your house and drink whiskey and smoke weed.
Thank you. I knew you’d understand.
it is so.
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boss_ross
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:04amDear Atheists,
stop using money.
problem solved.
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right-wing-waco
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:13amLet “THEM” use the dollar coins or better yet… go live in Cuba.
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formidable_foe
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:37pmYou really don’t have to use currency anymore unless you’re paying to park your car. You can use a credit card for virtually all purchases, including everything from your bills on line to pizza delivery. I used my credit card to buy a $1.36 cheeseburger at McDonald’s yesterday. You can also write a check that doesn’t say “In God We Trust” on it. Sorry Atheists, but you’re not forced to handle or use cash.
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woodyee
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:03amCan Christians sue to remove atheists from the US?
I don’t recall atheism being promoted or defended during the Founding…
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Will-db
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:19amBut it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote “Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?”)
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
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Will-db
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:33amThe Founding Fathers had no particular problem with atheists and some of them’d actually be considered atheists by today’s fundamentalist christians.
HOWEVER… fighting to remove ‘In God We Trust’ from bank notes is a rather lame cause… there are bigger fish to fry in this world….
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:22pmWhat do you mean? They never came across an atheist in their whole lives, many of them.
The odds, back then, were mind-boggling.
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ihasa
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:05pmOnly six people attended Thomas Paine’s funeral, he was ostracised because of his ridicule of christianity. Some if not most of the founding fathers were deists who placed reason above superstition. This makes them more akin to modern atheists than modern fundamentalist Christians, imho. They were progressives and free thinkers.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 5:10pmDeism is not the same as atheism, I’ll explain in a metaphor.
Suppose Bill Gates is God. Though he has no power over Microsoft or IBM today, he was fully responsible for it’s creation in the first place, that is why people credit Bill Gates with the invention of computers, and not whoever the CEO is right now.
Deists don’t believe that acts of nature are directly the source of divinity, but indirectly. They believe that the universe is fine-tuned, but not arbitrarily so.
“The rain falls on the just and the unjust.”
You can read more about it here,
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/natural_evil_theodicity.html
As for Thomas Paine, I find his manner offensive and ill humored. He was too huff and puff, and too emotional. He practically accosted my favorite founder, John Adams, in his home just because he pushed for separated branches of government.
(an important aside, I have read Thomas Paine’s work, the Age of Reason. He states at the beginning, and continuously through out, that he has firm faith in the God of Abraham, he is only pushing his two cents on the matter of theology.)
(Some of the questions were reasonable, others beyond the pale, but all of them could be answered by a person of faith.)
I don’t think Thomas Paine had no friends because of the things he said. He saved the revolution, twice! But it’s the manner in which he said certain things. Back then, we would have said he was ‘ill humoured”. Today, we would have called
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eat-more-bacon-USA
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:03amAgain?
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The Jewish Avenger
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:02amCountless? Bet I could count them….
They are not as many as they think.
Just because the feds will back them with grant money and such doesnt mean they are popular…
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shamar
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:02amGod, is not a religion! He is real. God is a fact. Go somewhere else. This is God’s country.
Many fought for this country and have lost their lives; and IN GOD WE TRUST has always
been on our currency. Did you just come out from under a rock? What DO you believe in?
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bobhope
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:18amThat’s actually not accurate. “In God We Trust” didn’t appear on our coins until 1864, and didn’t appear on our paper money until 1957.
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DoseofReality
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:46ambobhope – dont let little things like facts get in the way…..most people on this site dont believe in truth unless its fits their agenda, otherwise they just distort and lie
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SacredHonor1776
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:00amThe quote as far as I know was first established on coinage around the time of Abraham Lincoln, or was it Grant? Not sure if was used in any context before that?
It was added to paper money in the 1940′s & 1950s?
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God_Is_Not
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:59amGod and money are synonymous.
shamar
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:12amIf you don’t believe in God. Then everything you do is for NOT.
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NONCENTS
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:18amDude, I don’t believe in money, but I sure believe in God.
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God_Is_Not
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:11pm@noncents
You may not ‘believe’ in money, whatever that means, but I assure you the leaders of your church ‘believe’ in your money.
@shamar
You need to work on improving your self-confidence. You should value yourself and your contributions regardless of a perceived eternal reward.
The_Cabrito_Goat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 12:22pmHow?
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Rayblue
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:12pmGod and money are synonymous ? Did you pull that homily out of your hominy ?
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The Jewish Avenger
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:59amThis happens, it’ll piss me off till the day they bury my carcass.
But since I’m a Working White Male Married with Children Christian… 2(WMC)
I’m not allowed an opinion or a voice without being a bigot or a racist or anti-PC.
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00100111
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:57amThis is why no one takes atheists seriously.
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muffythetuffy
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:07amA NATION THAT KILLS UNBORN BABIES AND ELECTS A KNOWN RECOGNIZED SATAN PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT INVOKE GOD
Its blasphemy. Does anyone really think the despicable, disgraced and openly homosexual Federal Judiciary will not order the removal of God?
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RANGER1965
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:56amObama could earn alot of points with his base if he tells his AG not to defend this. He isn’t running again, so why not?
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brother_ed
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:29am@RANGER1965
It would not surprise me if Obama were to give this tacit support.
He is on a mission to change our ‘traditions’ and this motto certainly has deep roots in our country.
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booger71
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:55amBetter sue the Federal Reserve, it’s their money, They just loan it to the Treasury.
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tramco
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:54amGod Help us!
You gave these “creatures” 300 Cubits and all they want to do spit in your face!
Send them to North Korea where they won’t have to eat pigeons anymore.
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vpeva1
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:54amBy force they again work.
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biohazard23
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:53amBless their whiny, stompy-footed, intolerant, stony little hearts…
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objectivetruth
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:05amLove your depiction of them.I’m not an athiest, though, I sometimes wish they would take the words off our money too.For a different reason.Its an insult to god.Take a good look around at how our leaders handle money.Somehow I don’t think god-higher power is any to pleased.
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biohazard23
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:20amObjectiveTruth, the only problem our “leaders” have with money is that they don’t have enough of it. (sigh) They really do make the money changers in the temple look like decent folks.
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OldSurfRat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:53amNothing a fine point sharpie cant take care of.
Take it out and I will put it back in.
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The Jewish Avenger
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:00amooh… that’s a good good idea…
Where’s George can now be Where’s God!
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seek.the.truth
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:12amExcellent idea — let’s pray it doesn’t come to that.
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OldSurfRat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:12amT J A
They do come in green (:
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OldSurfRat
Mar. 14, 2013 at 11:31amSeek
I sure hope not but if it does it may be good for each of us to write those words on our bills. It will remind us of who we owe for our blessings and also will make one heck of a statement.
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IslandAtheist
Mar. 14, 2013 at 1:31pm“In God we trust” goes against our motto “E pluribus unum”.
Rayblue
Mar. 14, 2013 at 2:18pmIn fact, island. “In God We Trust” is the motto. Not “E”.
Bring up the “2 hands working” jazz again.
That was funny too.
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YOURSENSEI
Mar. 15, 2013 at 5:28pmThis is what you must know:
Wow! The Courage! The sacrifice! The patriotism. ! The spiritual strength and humility!
I’m swooning over here. Can you see it? SWOOOOOOON!!
it is so.
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FrankieBaby
Mar. 14, 2013 at 10:51amEvil ba&tards will stop at nothing to turn this county into a moraless hell hole.
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Pontiaku
Mar. 14, 2013 at 6:27pmI want to pension the government to print currency with the words “In Allah we trust” and “In no magical sky daddies we trust”. Oh don’t worry, these aren’t government endorsements of religion so it’s perfectly okay for government to do this.
Pontiaku
Mar. 14, 2013 at 6:28pmSorry that should read “petition”.
Pontiaku
Mar. 14, 2013 at 8:40pmOh and I like to know how removing “god” from currency is deprives you of morals when there are few morals to be found in your bible. You know, the ones like impregnating a 12 year old virgin MARRIED to a 36 year old man, slaying Amalekite infants, and the wasted four commandments protecting the vanity of some desert nomads imaginary god. What morals are left aren’t very original either.