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Atheist Richard Dawkins Ignites Firestorm With ‘Pro-Abortion’ Tweets: ‘Any Fetus Is Less Human Than an Adult Pig’
Earlier this week, famed atheist activist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins took to Twitter to compare fetuses to adult pigs, subsequently igniting a firestorm. His initial comment and those that followed sparked a mixture of outrage and support from across the social media platform, with some finding his views horrific and other agreeing with him on the matter.
“With respect to those meanings of ‘human’ that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig,” he wrote on Wednesday.
The reactions to this message were swift, ranging from claims that Dawkins’ statement was “silly” to outright anger. Comedian Joe Rogan wrote, “That’s silly. The outrage of abortion is that a fetus has the potential for human life. That’s obviously not true of a pig.” And SkyNews’ Chris Kenny added, “I followed you for rational thought not that sort of zealotry.”
Some critics, though, were a little less friendly, as The Christian Post notes:
Wesley J. Smith, senior fellow at the Discovery Institute’s Center on Human Exceptionalism immediately tore into Dawkins’ posts that claimed fetuses are less human than adult pigs. The lawyer wrote that the argument is “utter nonsense” even from a biological perspective, which is the atheist’s field.
“Indeed, he’d fail high school biology,” Smith said on LifeNews.
“The ability to ‘feel pain’ has nothing to do with ‘being human,’ biologically or morally. All mammals feel pain. And, of course, fetuses can be – and are – mourned by others, which again isn’t an exclusively human trait,” the lawyer continued, insisting that regardless of their stage of development, fetuses are “fully human” and should not be classified differently on a morality scale.
But, despite these critics, Dawkins wasn’t planning to back down. He followed this tweet up with others, corroborating his stance. In subsequent messages, the atheist activist noted that he was speaking about morality and abortion and that a fetus cannot feel pain and, thus, an adult pig — which can — is more “human” in nature.
“‘Human’ features relevant to the morality of abortion include ability to feel pain, fear etc & to be mourned by others,” he continued.
Later, Dawkins said that the most important moral question in the contemporary abortion debate is whether a fetus can feel pain. While he conceded that “late abortuses may,” he noted that a creature doesn’t have to be human to feel pain.
Despite this controversial statements, Dawkins threw out an olive branch to pro-lifers.
“Unlike many pro-choice friends, I think fetal pain could outweigh woman’s right to control her own body. But pig pain matters too,” he wrote.
He seemed to dismiss both absolute ideas — that a woman’s right to choose and abortion being entirely wrong both have their limits, as he contended that “pain matters too.”
Later on, Dawkins seemed dismayed by the reaction he received. He sent several tweets expressing his surprise. But rather than tempering the storm, he probably created more problems when he labeled himself “pro-abortion” (a title many avoid to keep from making themselves look like they lack compassion).
“Bizarre responses to my tweets today. I clearly expressed my strong pro-abortion views & many people decided that I must be anti-abortion!,” he later wrote, going on to clarify that he meant “pro-choice.”
(H/T: Christian Post)
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catfanatic1979v1
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:04amI’m an atheist and I sure don’t think like Dawkins does. I believe it is a human life as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg. The atheism part doesn’t matter here. Dawkins is just a monster and those come in all varieties.
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UNALIEN
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:17amExactly, Dawkins is either mentally disturbed or just being intentionally inflammatory for attention, I suspect both…
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RANGER1965
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:23amRichard Dawkins: “Hmmmm…I’m perhaps the most famous evolutionary biologist in history. I’m a leader in the atheist movmement, I’ve written over 20 books, my name is on multiple research studies in peer reviewed journals…..and I’m still not relevant. I seem to be condemned to an academic backwater, speaking at Atheist symposiums in universities for like…no money.
Hey I know what i’ll do! I’ll attack the pro-life movement with a idiotic and classless tweet and I’ll make sure the media gets ahold of it.
Now I’ll be relevant again!”
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grimjack3791
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:25amSo when a “fetus” is born premature and survives, that person is less human than a pig? I don’t get it, Dawkins, enlighten me.
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comforteagle
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:50amSounds like he just supports roe v wade. he doesnt support late abortions and does support the womans choice before sentience… i hate how its “pro-choice” and “pro-life” everyone is pro-choice and pro-life, its for or against allowing abortions. both sides use word play to make their stance sound like the only logical answer
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zorro
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:56amI think you’re spot on, Ranger. He saw all the attention Peirs Morgan was getting with his imbecilic anti-gun rants and saw $$$$.
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:11amThis is thinking of a man who doesn’t believe in God thus according to the theory of evolution he evolved from apes? What else could be expected from an ape brain? Or was it a slimy thing from the sea? Probably the Thing. Get out of here with that boom boom boom and don’t come back no more. That’s just the thing about theories. I have a theory. Darwin was a heavy drinker.
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naughtycal
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:27amDarkins is less human than the fetues he claims are less human than a pig. This is the kind of crap we have to deal with because the laws stops people from just beating the living sh## out of people.
In another time someone would have beat this monster until he kept his vile ideology to himself.
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armyofnibiru
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:30amdo aitheists believe that when a fetus is born it comes out a pig???what a maroon.well in his case he might be right.
prochoice,the right to decide either way.why do PROabortionist believe chooseing life is not prochoice”
like every where they need to CONTROL the wording.trechery,yes.
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JGraham III
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:42amIs it fair to presume that Dawkins was using himself as a point of reference when he made this statement about a human fetus?
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J@ck_KvK
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:46amI felt the same way when I was Atheist as well. I’m glad to know that there are reasonable people out there.
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soundtracktowar
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:51amI am religious, but I always argue abortion from a secular standpoint. It always seems to reach more people that way. Could be wrong though. We saw what happened at the DNC last year at the mere mention of putting God back in their platform. And with respect to this guy I’m replying to, an atheist without morals is not “shocking” news.
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Bluebonnet
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:57amYup! A purely EVIL little man. He’s uninformed or misinformed.
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searcher619
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 12:00pmUNALIEN: The popular term for what he just did and keeps doing is Trolling. It’s when people say things online intentionally trying to offend and provoke an emotional response.
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Gonzo
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 12:03pmHe’s a repulsive man and not because he is an atheist. Anyone that callus about the innocent unborn is below contempt.
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TH30PH1LUS
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 1:01pmPsalm 14
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
Do all these evildoers know nothing?
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Atrum_Angelus
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 1:52pmAs someone who is atheist (well, more agnostic), I’ve never understood the “a fetus isn’t not a human.” Technically, it’s just a developing human. It still is a human. It’s genetics don’t change when it’s born.
It’s a weak argument for abortion. And this is coming from someone who is in favor of earlier term abortion.
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RogueRequest
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 2:53pmI think that people that are willing to make a rape victim carry their rapist’s baby to term are the ones being callus.
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BOGOTSTOGO
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 4:34pmThis is proof that degrees don’t prove intelligence!
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ArchaicSEAL
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:25pmI don’t care if he is in Atheist, Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, or Agnostic… he has NO understanding of causality and obviously NO respect for human life.
It is too bad that his mother didn’t abort him when he was just a collection of cells…
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RationalMan
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:50pmcatfanatic1979v1,
Then you’re not an Atheist, but, a phony!!
With your thinking along with others, a sperm isn’t a life until it attaches to the egg?
Is a sperm a life without an egg????
Or is an egg a life, without a sperm???
Just asking! ;)
P.S. Just remember you guys are against science you’re not a biologist!!
So go to your rooms and pray!!
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readytovomit
Posted on March 16, 2013 at 12:30amLook thing about it ..if he thinks he came from a pig let him believe it. He will do something stupid like eat bacon and realize he is a cannibal.
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piper60
Posted on March 16, 2013 at 5:46amMr Dakins is the ultimate flowery go Brit wise-assery. A thirteen year old’s talent for smarmy insults doesn’t constitute intellectual eminene.
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BostonDan
Posted on March 16, 2013 at 5:26pmI am an atheist. I am also a biology teacher. I disagree with Dawkins 100%. At the instant of conception the fertilized egg is a human because it has a full human genome. Period. Being able to feel pain is immaterial to our human identity. If we follow through with Dawkin’s “logic,” then he ceases to be human once he is anesthetized for a surgical procedure. Therefore, it would not be murder if the physician decided to kill him at that time.
By the way, for what is worth, as an atheist and as an American, I am keenly aware of how *important* religion (especially Christianity) is to our identity, culture (it’s part of our cultural DNA), and our values. My wife is a Buddhist from Thailand. My children (ages 12 and 16) are Buddhist. (I never told my children that I am an atheist – that’s a choice they can make when they grow up.) However, at our home, our family celebrates both Christmas and Easter. When we put up the Christmas tree, we also have on prominent display a most beautiful creche that is over 90 years old. During Christmas, we sing religious carols, too. Also, every year, on the last day of school prior to Christmas vacation, my high school biology class goes to administrative offices and classroom and sings Christmas songs (including religious ones! Please don’t complain that I stole educational time from my students. My students are tops in the state for biology scores on the state exam.) Not all atheists are in battle against Christianity. I embrace it. T
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Thomas
Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:16pmNo one who actually knows God would have an abortion. They may be a member of a religion but do not know the Spirit of Life.
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birdjericho
Posted on March 24, 2013 at 4:15amI don’t know if atheism or scientific learning makes him think this way, but “pig pain” (and hopefully fetus pain as well) is your main reasoning against abortion? So if an organic thing doesn’t feel pain you have the right to kill it? I would think it’s kinda hard to measure ‘pain’ in an unborn anything, so even scientifically this doesn’t make sense, does it?
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birdjericho
Posted on March 24, 2013 at 4:18amEdit: Either way, this guy’s nuts. Just wanted to throw that in there.
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momrules
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:00amOh Sweet Jesus. This man is plain old evil.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:22amI have to wonder where would be today had his parents felt the same way prior to his chance of birth?
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momrules
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:44amRJJ………..Dawkins was given life and a chance to choose good vs.evil. He chose the evil route. I just wonder how many people listen to him, follow his lead and so believe as he does. How many souls has he managed to help corrupt during his lifetime and how many more before he dies?
But given the choice between his parent’s aborting HIM and the fact that he got to live I am sure he would approve of his parents decision to let him live. Only living hypocrites approve of abortion.
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searcher619
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 12:04pmYou people misuse the word Evil so often that it’s lost any real meaning. The man is an idiot who likes to offend people. It’s how he keeps relevant. The sooner people understand this the sooner they will ignore him and is fame will go way.
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Gonzo
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 12:22pmThat’s it in a nutshell Mom. He turns my stomach.
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dwilco77
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:03pmHe is also considered the Messiah of most Atheists as they quote his theory of ribbons of energy that were the origin of the Universe. According to him, these ribbons of energy have just always been there despite the scientific fact that our science is based on the fact that “energy can neither be created nor destroyed”. Dawkins comes up short on explaining how the energy got there in the first place. He is not only evil, he is psychotic in his hate of those who happen to believe in Intelligent design.
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MoadDib
Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:51amPerhaps he is to be counted among the unwary rather than the evil. His pursuit of science has blinded him to the fullness of life. Yet his life would not be if abortion had been utilized by his mother.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:59amRichard Dawkins, sensing that his name has nearly disappeared from public discourse and his input into modern culture has dwindled to near insignificance, shouts “Look at me, I’m controversial!” in order to garner attention.
Film at 11.
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Locked
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:06amHa! Exactly my reaction, Jefferson!
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grimjack3791
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:27amThere’s always a huge stack of his latest book in the 75% off section at Barnes and Noble. They throw in the dust for free.
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:04amHave you actually read any of Dawkins’ books? Since they’re 75% off, you should be able to pick up quite an armload cheap. I especially recommend “The Blind Watchmaker” and “The Ancestor’s Tale.”
Choose either. Your book reports are due two weeks from today.
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checkingbothsides
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 3:43pmI agree with you, and I’m both an Atheist and pro-choice! What I wish he would have done is opened up a discussion about what makes us ‘human’. Sure a fetus is alive, just as all animals are alive. But is it ‘human’? When does one become a human? A Christian has a ready made answer for this, but the rest of us need to work through it philosophical. I respect Dr. Dawkins in some ways, but stirring up controversy doesn’t get people talking, at least not in the way a crusading anti-theist would want.
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Locked
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:58amDawkins said something inflammatory? Heavens, no! It must be a day that ends in Y!
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:06amYeah, kind of like being shocked that the sun rises day after day, right?
Attention who-or-es make me roll my eyes most of the time. I have no issue with stating your beliefs proudly and firmly, and sometimes loudly, but if your entire personal revolves around keeping people riled up and angry all the time, it seems rather pathetic to me.
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:17amFunny you should say that, since no one does a better job of keeping people angry and riled up than the founder and guiding spirit of this site, one G. Beck.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:34amYou clearly don’t understand what is meant by attention who-or-re. Beck does panic a lot, but that’s not quite the same as somebody screaming “look at me!” into the wind all the time.
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:56amA fetus is one stage of development in life up to natural death. An adult pig has already gone through all those stages as a pig. You, my friend will end up facing God on Judgement Day. Do what is right as life is short and eternity is forever.
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barber2
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:54amThis is the atheist version of the ” birther ” issue: a human being isn’t one until it is born .
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sta
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:03amYou are brilliant and absolutely correct!
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TX_45_ACP
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:54amPeople like Mr. Dawkins hate mankind. I am sure he would love to see our population dwindle down to small numbers only to have those few serve and worship the planet.
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Firefight
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:28amMisanthropic vile p.o.s.
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TX_45_ACP
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:15am@Firefight- that is the word I was looking for. Misanthropic. Thank you.
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termyt
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:53amDawkins is just asserting that he has more rights than a fetus. No big deal.
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GrandpaOf4
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:51amI think this guy might give us a good reason for retro-active abortion.
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JP4JOY
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:51amJust another one of the “pigs” in “Animal Farm”.
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siguy62
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:50amI’ll say this. Without even entering into thw whole religious/moral part of the argument, the left lost the pro late-term abortion argument was lost almost two thousand years ago.
The Cesarian section operation was named for one of the Caesars. The legend has it that Julius Caesaer was born this way. (More than likley not true) The proceedure had been performed by farmers for centuries to save the new-born when the animals mother was dead or dying.
This was also done on human women. (Brutal yes. But it was done) One of the Caesars, (Julius? Who really cares) made it law that an attempt MUST be made if the mother was dead or dying. (This most often happened in child birth, however, the attempt was made, often successfully whenever the mother was late term, and met with accident, violence or terminal illness. The viability of the child was established, and an attempt to save the ‘citizen,’ was required.
Moral relativists can argue all they want, but the whole argument is based on a house of cards.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:50amHe is VILE EVIL SC-U-M!!
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OldSurfRat
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:50amRather than waste time talikng about this guy can I get some of you to give me your opinion on this info?
Pigswillneverfly posted this link. I know that there is a lot of misinfo out there and want some input on this.
Please go to the link, read a tell me your thoughts on its Legitimacy one way or the other.
Thanks,
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/03/urgent-alert-beware-patriots-high-importance-2592832.html
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OldSurfRat
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:56amPS
I’m not trying to support this link or what it says but things are getting weird and my brain is so full that I am just trying to weed out the fiction from the fact.
Thanks again to any of you that will give your 2 cents.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:08amSURF This was written in 2010 by the oblamer administration just before the passage of NDAA. Google this and get prepared. FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations.
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TyrannyNoMore
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:14amWow ! I read the article. If this is true, civil war is inevitable. Nobody I know, will look on with indifference while there brothers are rounded up or shot. I pray this story is bogus, but it fits in with everything that is happening now. I hope someone at the Blaze is on this so we can discern whether or not this info is true.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:17amGo here commieblaster <<>>> U.S. Government Preparing For Collapse. I can’t post links anymore but maybe they will let me post this. Thank You Blaze if you do….
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:36amOLDSURFRAT, I believe that I had read about that some time ago myself. All of the new departmental orders of weapons and masses of ammunition, along with the 2,700 MRAPs are signs that something indeed is coming our way. Putting us all in harm’s way, and libs, don’t think that you are exempt.
On a Saturday a few weeks ago while I was walking down the hill to the mailbox I got goosebumps all over. A light cream colored windowless bus drove by, headed toward town. It had several dome bubbles on top along with some obvious antennas, and was simply marked on the side in black outlined gold lettering, FEMA. My thought that it was some sort of mobile command center.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:45amRJJ
If this were to be true do you think that local LEOs will go along or fight?
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momrules
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:58amRecently I saw two very large sand colored canvas covered military vehicles drive through the very small E. Texas town that I live near. The drivers and one passenger in each truck were dressed in camouflage. There isn’t a military base within 100 miles of where I live so this is unusual though it did happen once (that I know about) last summer.
Does this mean anything? I don’t know for sure but I agree with RJJ, knowing what we know, it gave me chills.
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OldSurfRat
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:02amCivil
Thanks. I’m so damn tiered and my brain is so full of info that I am getting to the point that I’m having trouble dealing with it all.
If true then I now know to some degree how my life will end.
I never ever want to raise arms towards my fellow americans and I will never attack but WILL defend.
I grew up thinking the enemy was outside of our country but things are now looking like a bad dream. I’m sick to my stomach. I feel like I am living in the twilight zone.
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:14amSURF did you watch the video? At that site i suggested? It explains a lot…
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:16amMOMRULES If you watch that video i suggested they explain these our stationed in east Texas..
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momrules
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:25amCIVIL…….. I saw one video and researched some sites but saw no reference that I remember to east Texas. It looks like I need to go video hunting…………
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:28amSorry stationed in west Texas..
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civilwarcometh
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 11:40amMOM Go here>>> commieblaster <>> U.S. Government Preparing For Collapse …And It Won’t Be Pretty<<< watch this video.. Says these are stationed in west Texas… Something is about to happen very soon.
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mikem1969
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:49amTypical crap from the atheist crowd. But this comparison is just beyond stupid. Dawkins, I think an adult pig is more human than you, so go abort yourself.
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Listen_then_think
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:49amAny fetus is more of a man than Richard Dawkins. He thinks fetuses can’t feel pain? Is he a Neo natologist or neurologist? Probably just his over inflated ego that what he thinks should be true, to support his ideas, must be true. Stupid self righteous murderers. They will be harrowed up with pain through eternity for all the murders they committed and supported when they meet the people they killed after they die.
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biohazard23
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:48amHe’s a vile carbon-based, oxygen-wasting organism.
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Walkabout
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:13amDawkins is quite shrewd. He is setting himself up with quite a case load as an animal rights attorney.
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biohazard23
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:21amPerhaps, but he’s still a vile creature no matter how one looks at it. Bleh!
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pragmaticpatriot
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:46amI tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.
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RightUnite
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:45amSounds like someone wanted his five seconds of fame… What a dumb*zz leftist tool.
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oldguy49
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:45amtalking about adult PIGS…………….
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HigherRoad
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:45amAs an adult pig himself, Richard Dawkins surely knows about such things!
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starman70
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:43amIt’s too bad that Richard Dawkins has less intelligence than a baby pig. Of course that’s what the liberal community wants. That’s why he is so exalted in liberal circles.
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eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:42amDawkins sounds exactly like every other obama-democrat/liberal – this is exactly what they believe – this is what obama believes.
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Cavallo
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:42amHe’s a twisted and sick individual. One of the first avenues in genocide and murder is to dehumanize your victims. Serial killers do this. They portray them as animals, or in this sick f#$%’s case, less than animals. Turn infanticide into a simple medical procedure, turn a baby into a lump of parasitic tissue, and turn their souls and minds into sociopaths.
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tnman65
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:40amWho really gives a Rats A@@ what his intellectual idiot has to say. Can someone explain to me what this man has contributed to our society?
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RightUnite
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:46amHe’s a waste of precious oxygen if you ask me.
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PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:52amI beg to differ on the thought that this piece of human waste is ‘INTELLECTUAL”.
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tnman65
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 10:14amThanks. That’s pretty much the answer I was looking for. I just needed confirmation.
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justasurvivor
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 9:40amAnd at that point, Mr. Dawkins lost all credibility.
(Not everyone can notate their pivot point so precisely)
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Grover_Standpipe
Posted on March 15, 2013 at 3:51pmHe’s right. The only thing that makes human life more valuable than any other form of life is our human minds. You can’t develop a human mind until after you are born and start perceiving the world by means of your senses. A fetus can’t develop a mind because it has nothing to think about. A pig has more of a mind, therefore, more of a right to life than a fetus.
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joel228
Posted on March 16, 2013 at 3:21amGROVER_STANDPIPE
Who made you the arbiter of value? Ask the mother what value she would place on her own developing baby at any stage. She would kill you or sacrifice her own life to save her new born or nearly born.
You epitomize the very reason elitist socialism is dangerous and always fails to improve life and must be demolished. The few of you who believe you know best also believe you have the right to dictate to the rest of us how things should and will be.
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