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Pope Francis on Why He Chose His Name: ‘How I Would Like a Church Which Is Poor and for the Poor!’

Mar. 16, 2013 8:10pm
Pope Francis Explains to the Press Why He Picked His Name: Help the Poor

In this photo made available by the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, Pope Francis greets director of the Holy See Press Office Rev. Federico Lombardi, left, during a special gathering for thousands of journalists, media workers and guests the at the Vatican, Saturday, March 16, 2013. (Photo: AP)

(TheBlaze/AP) — The focus of Pope Francis’ papacy began to emerge Saturday as he offered some intimate insights into the conclave that elected him pontiff, describing how he was immediately inspired to name himself after St. Francis of Assisi because he wants to see a church that is “for the poor.”

His comments provided further evidence that this first Latin American papacy would be one that looks beyond the confines of the church itself to the most disadvantaged, named for a 13th-century friar who renounced a wealthy, dissolute lifestyle to embrace a life of poverty and simplicity and go out in the countryside to preach a message of joy and peace.

“Let me tell you a story,” Pope Francis began in a break from his prepared text during an audience for a few thousand journalists and Vatican communications officials in the Vatican’s auditorium.

He described how during the conclave he was comforted by his friend, Brazilian Cardinal Claudio Hummes, as the votes were going his way and it seemed “a bit dangerous” that he would reach the two-thirds necessary to be elected.

When the threshold was reached, applause erupted in the frescoed Sistine Chapel.

“He (Hummes) hugged me. He kissed me. He said, `Don’t forget about the poor!’” Francis recalled.

Pope Francis Explains to the Press Why He Picked His Name: Help the Poor

Newly elected Pope Francis holds his first audience with journalists and media inside the Paul VI hall on March 16, 2013 in Vatican City, Vatican. (Photo: Getty Images)

“And those words came to me: The poor. The poor. Then right away, thinking of the poor, I thought of Francis of Assisi. Then I thought of all the wars as the votes were being counted, until the end. Francis is also the man of peace. That is how the name came into my heart: Francis of Assisi.”

The pope said some have wondered whether his name was a reference to other Franciscan figures, including St. Frances de Sales or even the co-founder of the pope’s own Jesuit order, Francis Xavier. But he said the inspiration was Francis of Assisi.

Sitting in the vast Vatican auditorium, Francis continued: “For me, he is the man of poverty, the man of peace, the man who loves and protects creation. These days we don’t have a very good relationship with creation, do we?” he said. “He is the man who gives us this spirit of peace, the poor man.”

“Oh how I would like a church which is poor and for the poor!” Francis said, sighing.

He then joked that some other cardinals suggested other names: Hadrian VI, after a great church reformer – a reference to the need for the pope to clean up the Vatican’s messy bureaucracy. Someone else suggested Clement XV, to get even with Clement XIV, who suppressed the Jesuit order in 1773.

Pope Francis Explains to the Press Why He Picked His Name: Help the Poor

A man panhandles along a street on March 16, 2013 in Rome, Italy. (Photo: Getty Images)

The pope’s admiration for Francis’ simplicity is evident in his own lifestyle: the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio would take the bus to work, lived in a Spartan apartment where he would turn the heat off on weekends and cook his own meals.

In one of his first acts as pope, Francis phoned the Vatican ambassador in Buenos Aires and told him to put out the word that he didn’t want ordinary Argentines flocking to Rome for his installation Mass, urging them to use the money instead for charity.

As a priest and later archbishop, he saw to it that every slum in Buenos Aires had a chapel and fostered many outreach programs, supporting former prostitutes and drug addicts and washing the feet of rehab patients. When the economy collapsed in 2001 and Argentines lost faith in their politicians, he denounced capitalist excesses and corruption from the pulpit.

His addresses and homilies often circle back to the need for the church to rivet its attention on issues of economic failings, including the growing divides between the comfortable and needy.

Pope Francis Explains to the Press Why He Picked His Name: Help the Poor

A Swiss Guard salutes as newly elected Pope Francis enters the hall as he holds his first audience with journalists and media inside the Paul VI hall on March 16, 2013 in Vatican City, Vatican. (Photo: Getty Images)

His election to the papacy has raised questions about how he will translate that message on a global scale, given the global economic crisis and vast inequalities among the rich and poor – and at home, given allegations of corruption in the Holy See’s governance and continued problems of the Vatican’s own bank, the Institute for Religious Works.

Under Benedict XVI, the Vatican had sought to put its finances in order and opened itself up to external evaluation by the Council of Europe’s Moneyval committee, which helps countries comply with international anti-money laundering norms. While the Vatican bank passed the first test last year, Moneyval gave the bank several poor or failing grades.

Amid the calls for reform of the Vatican bureaucracy that have erupted in recent months, there has been a steadily increasing suggestion in the Italian media that the Vatican could easily do away with its bank, since it can carry out most of its financial activities through commercial banks and thus rid itself of a stain on its reputation.

While there’s no indication the Institute for Religious Works will close any time soon, one of Francis’ most eagerly watched first appointments will be that of his secretary of state, who traditionally presides over the commission of cardinals that oversees the bank.

For now, Francis on Saturday temporarily named all Vatican officials in their current positions, saying he would decide whether to confirm them or name someone else after a period of “reflection, prayer and dialogue,” the Vatican said.

The Vatican also released details of the pope’s week ahead, saying he would meet with Argentine President Cristina Fernandez on the eve of his Tuesday installation Mass and then visit Benedict XVI at the papal retreat at Castel Gandolfo on Saturday.

The Fernandez meeting will be sensitive, given the years of open tensions over the then-archbishop’s strong opposition to initiatives that led Argentina to become the first Latin American country to legalize gay marriage. He also opposed Fernandez’s initiatives to promote free contraception and artificial insemination.

During his audience with journalists Saturday, Francis poured on the charm, thanking them for their work covering the election – “and you have worked, eh?” he said chuckling. He urged them to view the church not as a political entity but as a “dramatically spiritual” human institution and learn its true nature “with its virtues and its sins.”

“The church exists to communicate this: truth, goodness and beauty personified. We are all called not to communicate ourselves, but this essential trio.”

In recognition that not all journalists in the room were Christian or even believers, he offered a blessing without the traditional Catholic formula or gesture, saying he would bless each one in silence “respecting your conscience, but knowing that each one of you is a child of God.”

TheBlaze’s Billy Hallowell will be publishing a piece Sunday further addressing skepticism surrounding Pope Francis and fears about socialism and liberation theology seeping into the Catholic faith.  Stay tuned.

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  • helioquois
    Posted on March 17, 2013 at 3:00am

    The Jesuit tradition in the Catholic Church is one dedicated to knowledge and education, and Pope Francis is a Jesuit priest. In the US, Jesuit teachings have manifested itself in some of the strangest ways when you see major Catholic Universities embracing things and ideas that the Catholic Church is steadfast against, whether it is capital punishment, abortion or contraception. It is interesting that the new Pope has embraced “Francis” as his name…the Franciscan Order is one whereby the faithful walk a path of humility and poverty…totally in opposition to the opulence that characterizes the current Church in Rome. Pope John Paul I had this same outlook, but sadly died only one month into his Papacy.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:09am

      The problem the world has, is overpopulation. The Jesuits will solve this problem……
      Here is an exerpt from the Jesuit oath:
      …..I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

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  • Spitfire1938
    Posted on March 17, 2013 at 2:39am

    Here’s a quick update. Pope Francis has celebrated 2 televised Masses… so far. At the consecration of the Host and the Wine… in both Masses, the Pope did NOT genuflect in reverence to God. Pope Benedict XVI who can hardly move and resigned for health reasons… genuflected. I’ve never NOT seen a Priest genuflect at the Consecration. It is the MOST HOLY part of the Mass! This is simply UNPRECEDENTED!!!!!!

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    • Q-960
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 3:26am

      You don’t know what you’re talking about, he’s 76 years old, and he bowed as low as he was probably able at his first mass. Here’s a link to the video:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdWZWDqhCdA

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    • Spitfire1938
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 4:05am

      “Holy Ghost” Q-960! I watched both Pope Francis’s Mass videos… he did not Genuflect… he bowed and I agree if he has a limitation Bowing is OK by me. However here is the link to Benedict’s last public Mass. At 1:19 and 1:20 he Genuflects… he’s 85!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMNvqxdJQ4

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 5:53am

      On vacation, I’ve been to a parish run by Jesuits. They did that there too! Since most of the parish were also weekly vacationers, many people were confused, and many, like me, just knelt anyway during the consecration.

      I don’t think it reflects a lack of reverence.

      I could be wrong, but I think they stand during moments when most kneel during the Novus Ordo Mass– which is the Vatican II Council’s English Mass established in the the 1960′s.

      I’m guessing here: but it may be that there was a choice established by Vatican II Council for certain alternate postures of priests and laity during the Mass. Back then they may have chosen alternate postures. Many believe to stand is more reverent. I don’t.

      Does anyone know for sure?

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:11am

      The RCC is rife with blasphemies……..So what is new?

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  • Spitfire1938
    Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:45am

    The Catholic Church was infiltrated by Marxist-homosexualists in the last century. Their influence and power peak coincided with Vatican II and has barely waned to this day. After Vatican II they destroyed the traditional Mass, the Liturgy, Catholic Schools, Seminaries teaching Traditional curriculum, de-emphasized the tenent of subsidiarity and drove millions of believers from the Faith. At the same time they taught a Protestantized Catechism, gave the idea of “Social Justice” ‘new’ meaning, transformed ‘Nuns’ into feminist NAZI’s intent on displacing Priests while supporting ‘Choice’ and free contraceptives. Oh, and they introduced non-traditional ‘good time’ music while replacing the traditional Bible with a ‘new’ translation!
    The Catholic Church is, no doubt, in trouble… just like the rest of the world. And; Our new Pope, I fear, is not going to help. All we the faithful can do is hope for the best while we wait for him to actually do what he’s going to do!
    The Catholic Churches “Dogma” however, has NEVER changed, it’s just no longer taught! Most lay Catholics have no idea what Catholicism really is, including Priests! Still, despite defaced church interiors, elimination of the Tabernacle, reorientation of the Altar, and the sacrilegious Protestantized Novus Ordo Mass; it is possible to find ‘tradition’ minded parishes and congregations that celebrate the Mass in Extraordinary Form and “Keep the Faith” as loyal, albeit “militant”, Catholics!

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    • firearm
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 2:12am

      As someone in Catholic grade school before Vatican 2. I agree with your observations.

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    • firearm
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 3:57am

      Except for the Marxist-homosexualists part. Pope using freely donated money for charitable works does not make him Marxist. There probably always have been a small percentage of homosexualists in the church but the Popes would have excommunicated them if they did not follow scripture.

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    • Spitfire1938
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 5:21am

      Hi “FIREARM”. Thanks for your comment. My Marxist-homosexual comment was not directed at any Pope. Particularly not John Paul II who destroyed communism in his homeland, Poland. (I remember watching the broadcast of John Paul II on his visit to Poland and the Military General Head of State, his name escapes me, standing in front of a huge military honor guard as the Pope approached him… His legs visibly trembling!)

      Cardinal Law, The ArchBishop of Boston, disgraced for protecting homosexual priest from exposure, was allegedly, just thrown out of his luxury apartment at Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore and told not to return by Pope Francis. Also look up Chicago’s ArchBishop Cardinal Bernadine… and there are many many others. The homosexual fiasco in the Church is world wide and of such magnitude I do not believe it ‘Just sort of happened’. They were actively recruited, encouraged, ordained, and protected!
      Our local, Nationally respected, 100 year old Seminary was closed by such a scandal and, today, no reference to it can be found.

      “social Justice” is ‘now’ a code word for communism and no longer refers to it’s ‘traditional’ Catholic meaning… raw, in you face Marxism exists in pockets, large and small, everywhere in the Church. They are very powerful and very persuasive and the stakes, in terms of souls, are huge…. of course…. anything less wouldn’t produce Saints!

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:15am

      The problem with Dogma in the RCC , that it is NOT Bible based.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:19am

      FIREARM…….You think a “holy” man who thinks he can change the precepts of Christ, is following scripture? What bus did you step off of.
      “The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ.” -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary.

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    • FreedomMissMeYet
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 4:12pm

      Thanks. You have outlined the deceptions and apostasy within the Church. The type of apostasy our blessed Lord foretold just as it was starting to happen. The venerable archbishop Fulton Sheen was spot on when he indicated, “Judas Iscariot is the patron Saint of Social Justice”.

      I attend worship services locally. Our priest is often leading the laity to bow down at the altar of Social Justice as a substitute for the altar of our blessed Lord. It goes on and on. Recently, he was openly all but giddy about the departure of Pope Benedict. In direct rebellion to God’s Word, he indicated how this event may pave the way for gay services and female Priests because as he put it, “…afterall, the church will just continue to hemmorage without it..” To which I reply, ‘of course Father, the shuttering of 190 out of 325 parishes over the last 10 years in Boston has nothing to do with the open rebellion of you and yours against real church teaching?’

      It’s downright disgusting and yet somehow, I still feel Jesus’ presence there. So I go, wearing as much spiritual armor as I can get my hands on.

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 5:01pm

      God Bless You Freedommissmeyet!

      It sounds to me like you should go shopping around for a new Catholic parish. I don’t know where you are from, but there has got to be a conservative parish and a holy priest somewhere near you.

      The presence of Christ in the Eucharist IS there, however. Thank God for that.

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    • firearm
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:56pm

      Dear Max
      These frequently-cited quotes are, for the most part, fakes, originating in anti-catholic writings, and then re-quoted as if they were genuine. (The ones that are not outright fabrications are taken out of context – the 18th century version of photoshopping to make it look as if someone said something that is the opposite of what they actually said.)

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  • midnightvelvet
    Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:43am

    The way this guy is starting to sound is making me glad I’m not a Catholic and can ignore his mandates.

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  • Guerrino_P
    Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:59am

    God only loves Catholics.

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  • TheBurningTruth
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:26pm

    Another socialist that wants to spread charity using OTHER people’s resources. Until the church divests itself of even a fraction of their billions in precious metals, rare artwork, and financial instruments, this is just another Marxist that wants US to pay for HIS social agenda.

    phuque’em

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    • Mr.buff1959
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:35pm

      socialism is no better than crony capitalism.

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:54pm

      TheBurningTruth Most of what the church is in the red. The art it has were gift that does not belong to the pope but the entire church

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:14am

      TheBurningTruth If you don’t want to help thoes in need that’s you problem. However it is in giving the we receive.

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    • Obama_In_PeePee_By_Zee_Arteeest_Beck
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:21am

      Well said, TheBurningTruth!

      “Pope Francis on Why He Chose His Name: ‘How I Would Like a Church Which Is Poor and for the Poor!’”

      Jesus Christ was NOT a socialist (which BY DEFINITION is thievery). You must work to become RICH or He will make you more POOR:

      14 “For THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them.
      15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. …
      19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them. …
      26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed.
      27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest.
      28 So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
      29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away.
      30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
      [Matthew 25, Holy Bible]

      WAKE UP AND SEE THE SIGN OF THE TIMES:

      “Evil Pope Foretold – Endtime Ministries”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaIm4lWLi9w

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    • firearm
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:35am

      What OTHER people resources?? The people donating their resources? There is a difference between. people giving their money out of their own free will and a government taxing to spread the money.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:36am

      begreen
      TheBurningTruth Most of what the church is in the red. The art it has were gift that does not belong to the pope but the entire church
      —————————————————-

      What art are you talking about???

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:52am

      @FIREARM

      Well said…

      I replied in a similar fashion to a post below…I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:39am

      firearm stated…
      own free will and a government taxing to spread the money..
      ——————————————————————————–
      Nicely said, how about other countries who don’t like us?

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:44am

      begreen,
      What art are you talking about???

      And did you find out MATT. last name yet??

      Come-on begreen all holy-than-thou, all perfect who cares about the poor!
      What was Matt. last name????

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    • Spitfire1938
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 2:07am

      Come on People!!!! “BEGREEN” says it all… HAPPY ST PATRICK’S DAY! BEGREEN just be celebrating a wee bit!

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    • ihasa
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 7:09am

      Obama-in-peeper

      You’re quoting a verse out of context. A common trick if people who want to twist the Bible’s meaning. The story is an allegory. Read the rest of the chapter.

      ‘Go into the fire that burns forever that was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was alone and away from home, and you did not invite me into your house. I was without clothes, and you gave me nothing to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you did not care for me.’44 “Then those people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or alone and away from home or without clothes or sick or in prison? When did we see these things and not help you?’45 “Then the King will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, anything you refused to do for even the least of my people here, you refused to do for me’

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    • ihasa
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 7:28am

      …so the ‘talents’ which the lazy servant is punished for not making use of in the story actually symbolise the capacity for helping the ‘least among men’. You see how including the rest of the chapter changes the meaning of the story?

      The gospels have a very clear message of helping the poor and weak. Their meaning has been under attack from pastors who cherry pick to suit their political agenda. Ironically they then accuse people who actually comprehend the meaning of the gospels as a whole, of the same sort of dishonesty.

      If hell were real, I suspect a special place would be reserved for such dishonest preachers.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 10:21pm

      IHASA….said “If hell were real, I suspect a special place would be reserved for such dishonest preachers.”
      Hell becomes real at the end of the millennium and judgement starts at the pulpit

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  • SilentReader
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:13pm

    That’s all well and good. However, I’d like to see this Pope condemn the Vatican’s collaboration with the Ustashi (Muslim & Croat) Nazis during WWII when they horrifically murdered 750,000 Christian Orthodox Serbs, 60,000 Jews, and 25,000 gypsies at Jasenovac Concentration Camp and other camps in Croatia in the most horrible ways possible. The Ustashi had contests to see how many they could kill in one day and they had special knives made to gouge out the eyes of their captives! Until the Vatican and this Pope, who is predicted to be the last Pope, acknowledges and condemns the Vatican’s complicity in that genocide in Croatia, the Nazi puppet state, then he will have no credibility at all as far as I’m concerned! Ante Pavelic wanted to make Croatia a purely Catholic Nation. And in 1992-1995 Clinton helped them in their final cleansing of the Orthodox Serbs from the Krajina in Croatia when 400,000 Serbs were terrorized out of their homes and murdered, even while they were fleeing, and they were forbidden to return! Many Serbs lost their lives, and if they lived they lost everything they had and relocated to other countries with the help of the Red Cross! You didn’t hear about that during Clintons-Albrights-NATOs reign of terror on the Orthodox Serbs over there in the former Yugoslavia, did you? No, it wouldn’t suit the criminal MSM’s Leftist agenda.

    As if that wasn’t enough, they beatified the Archbishop of Croatia, Aloysius Stepinac, later on!

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    • chucksue351
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 9:20am

      the catholic church is a death cult, if you examine their dogma you will find that they are much like the muslims, convert or die, it has not happened in the usa because they have not controlled the entire political process, in the latin american countries protestant missionaries find that the catholics are very ruthless to those who change to protestant churches

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:25am

      Could it be this was planned so long ago…?

      A Christian country arises
      Stealthily mix Catholicism deep within its governing structure
      Corrupt all governing officials with Catholic ideals
      Stealthily mix Catholicism into Protestantism
      Then cause evil to spread much more openly from Government to upset the people
      Romanized Protestants will then want to “take back” government
      A “Protestant” grass roots coalition is formed
      Romanized Protestants INSIST on a Catholic form of government by influencing the vote
      At same time increase in disasters cause economic hardships
      Politicians and Romanized Protestants unite to figure way out of the mess
      A “moral” form of government is agreed upon as good for the people
      A church & state “image of the beast” is then created
      A Communist form of Government is created
      The “community” is uplifted above the individual
      Mark of the beast is then enforced to “get right with God.”

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  • TRILO
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:00pm

    “He denounced capitalist excesses” while in Buenos Aires, now he wishes for a poor church for the poor. So just how is the church supposed to function with out $$? Simplicity only gets you so far. How are the people supposed to tithe if they have no extra income? How will the church reach out and teach the poor skills so that they are no longer poor, without money? Most important, why do people put their faith in politicians rather than themselves and God?

    Now hard work and success is called excess and being poor and living off the government is heralded as heroism. I would say that Catholic church is history. Another victim of social justice.

    I think when I send in donation to the Catholic Church (they are always asking for donations of what we sell for their events and auctions to raise $$) I will send them a bag of shells, lets see how far the barter system works. Apparently poverty and simplicity are desired over wealth and success.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 10:26pm

      TRILLO….I call it displaced sentiment, usually used when some one wants you to do what he doesn’t want to do himself. Modern churches are full of it, and I mean FULL OF IT.

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  • begreen
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:59pm

    in Matthew 16:18″ And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.” So again right here Jesus calls the church His. see Matthew 18:17″ But if he will not hear you, then take with you one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
    17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto you as a heathen man and a tax collector. Note what this passage does not say it does not say to consult scripture it says to consult the Church. In other words if one fails to listen to the church throw them out.
    Further, how does the Bible say we are to decide the “spirit of truth” and the “spirit of error”? Do you know? Is it by individually reading scripture? No! 1 John 4:6 which says, “We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.”. This is very powerful one should read and meditate on these words not just gloss over them.
    And don’t forget 2 Peter 3:16 “As also in all his Epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they doe also the other Scriptures, onto their owned destruction” Who do you think that Peter was talking to? Peter was talking to the first Christians

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:25pm

      begreen,
      Nice lecture, but, what was Matthew 16:18″, last name again???? (No numbers please!)

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:16am

      RationalMan Have you heard of google? Try it you’ll like it.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:37am

      begreen,
      Again, what was Matt. last name???

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    • bonesiii
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:54am

      ” it does not say to consult scripture”
      I’m not sure what big point you’re trying to make or if I’m reading too much into this word choice, but are you actually trying to use Scripture to say we shouldn’t consult Scripture? Besides being self-defeating, the Bible says to consult God’s Word in many places.

      Maybe I’m just nitpicking a mistaken choice of words, though… If so, perhaps you could clarify what you meant?

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:52am

      RATIONALAZZHOLE….Ask a REAL Question, if you want an answer.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:55am

      BGREEN…..Define the “church”, as it it used in above scripture.

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    • glassaudioguy
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 9:55pm

      Sorry dude, but the Greek doesn’t agree with you. Jesus was making a pun- Peter=petros, or stone; petra, a huge rock=Christ Himself.

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  • PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:40pm

    All sweet and good. I would like a church that would be STANDING UP AND SPEAKING LOUDLY against ISLAM that is devastating the CHRISTIANS. They are being SLAUGHTERED, Tortured, raped, beheaded, forced to convert or die by the MUSLIM/ISLAMISTS. One would have to be completely blind to not see the evil that is spreading all over the world. The Pope has a large microphone and should be CONDEMNING THE WORLD FOR ALLOWING THESE ATROCITIES. We will see “Holy see”

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:46pm

      I totally agree!

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    • DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:50pm

      Waiting for that…….

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:55pm

      PIGSWILLNEVERFLYb the church belongs to Jesus who works in mysterious ways.

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    • SilentReader
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:25pm

      Why? Because they partnered with them, that’s why. When the Vatican and the Ustashi (Muslim & Croat) Nazis murdered 750,000 Orthodox Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 25,000 Roma at Jasenovac Concentration Camp and other camps in Croatia during WWII. Under Ante Pavelic and later Croatian President Franjo Tudjman, they also force converted the Orthodox Serbs. It was one-third, one-third and one-third. One- third was forced to flee, one-third was force-converted or they lost their livelihoods, one-third were murdered. Communist Tito bulldozed over Jasenovac Concentration Camp at the end of WWII and forbade the Serbs to talk about it all in the name of “brotherly love.” Of course, that didn’t stop him from continuing to exterminate the Serbs at Goli Otok, the prison where he sent them to be tortured and murdered in the Adriatic Sea. The women had a separate prison nearby. Ah, but you don’t hear about any of this because they don’t want you to know about it and they’ve whitewashed their criminal history!

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:43pm

      Silent stated…
      Nazis murdered 750,000 Orthodox Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 25,000 Roma at Jasenovac Concentration Camp and other camps in Croatia during WWII.
      —————————————————————————————-

      Interesting, even though I’ve mention about “Pseudo History” some people laugh at me, thanks for posting that 750,000 Orthodox Serbs have been killed under Hitler…Jews aren’t the only ones who have been killed!

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:02am

      SilentReader Before you bark get your facts right. During this dangerous period, the holy pontiff sheltered 3,000 Jews at his summer residence, Castel Gandolfo, and hid thousands more in some 180 convents, monasteries, parish buildings, rectories, churches, and even in Vatican City itself. Through his leadership, Pius ultimately helped to save or rescue 80 percent of the Jews of Rome. In June 1944, the pontiff sent a telegram to Admiral Miklos Horthy, the leader of Hungary, and implored him not to proceed with the planned deportation of the country’s 800,000 Jews.

      As Pius was risking his safety and that of the Church in Italy, al-Husseini continued to call for the extermination of all Jews. On November 2, 1943, as the Nazis tried to press forward with the roundup of Italian Jews, the Grand Mufti declared on German radio of the Jewish people,
      the atrocities throughout the Balkans.

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:19am

      RationalMan “SACRIFICE” and to whom and why” Start with your own family.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:20am

      Begreen stated…
      On November 2, 1943, as the Nazis tried to press forward with the roundup of Italian Jews, the Grand Mufti declared on German radio of the Jewish people, the atrocities throughout the Balkans.
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      Did you know that Nazis is a religion? Did you know that Nazis had killed more “Christians and any
      other religion besides the “JEWS”?
      BTW, Nazism is a religion, did you know that, it’s called “Nationalized Socialism”???

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:51am

      begreen stated…..
      RationalMan “SACRIFICE” and to whom and why” Start with you family__________________________________

      Well I do care about my family what’s your point? Are saying I should “Sacrifice to others?
      That’s really religious of you begreen. ..WHY? (Because you said so??) All holy -than -thou????

      Capitalism and Free Market is the only way to get poor people out of poverty!

      How’s your business doing????

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 9:51am

      RationalMan You sound like cain .”AM I MY BROTHER’S KEEPER?” Genesis 4:9 When you only care about yourself don’t be surprise when you will end up like him.

      P.S. Hows that for a premise!?

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 11:41am

      We could ‘see’ an even greater atrocities in the near future. There is a fire burning. Dogma butting heads, and the ‘poor’; of the world, will bear the brunt of the violence. The game is “domination” by force and intimidation. A leopard can’t change it’s spots.

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  • RationalMan
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:09pm

    Francis stated….
    “Don’t forget about the poor!’”….
    ————————————————
    Well start selling your gold and silver!!!

    Francis and other Pope before you, how do you love “Altruism” so far???

    What is the moral code of altruism? The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.

    You guys sure love “Socialism”, don’t you???

    My question is, why should I “SACRIFICE” and to whom and why???

    Capitalism and Free Market is the only way to be free from all this B.S.!!!!

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:52pm

      RationalMan Socialism”, is not catholic which gives itself to God’s 10 commandments. That is, for one thou shall not covert they neighbor goods That means we can keep our stuff but teaches that giving is Christ like. The catholic church is against socialism which teaches that you and all you have belongs to the state.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:21pm

      begreen, stated…
      RationalMan Socialism”, is not catholic which gives itself to God’s 10 commandments…
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      I hate to say this to you begreen, Socialism does mean to sacrifice to others and yes religion is the
      same way…(Sacrifice, Sacrifice….!)

      As for God’s 10 commandments, where does it say that “MAN” has a “Right to LIFE, LIBERTY and
      PURSUIT of HAPPINESS? Does your God say this in one of his commandments?
      (Of course He didn’t.)

      Do you know who came up with this statement begreen?
      “Right to LIFE, LIBERTY and PURSUIT of HAPPINESS?
      BTW, “Right to LIFE” really means “We the Living”!

      P.S. It wasn’t any religion group!

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:53pm

      Begreen’
      Define your terms and check your premise!

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:11am

      RationalMan The early fathers believe in God so don leave out this from the Declaration of Independence ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator… “

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:33am

      begreen stated….
      RationalMan The early fathers believe in God so don leave out this from the Declaration of Independence ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator…
      ___________________________________________________

      Not true Begreen,
      Declaration of Independence after the war was about “INDEPENDENCE” from tyranny!
      It was all about “Individualism”! (Not religion)
      Tyranny vs. Individualism, that’s what’s it all about!!! (Even to this day!)
      Think about it.

      Check your terms and define your premise!!!!

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 9:33am

      RationalMan You live in a world of make believe of your own making.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 10:13pm

      Rational man….I understand where you are coming from……investment of time and gold to build self sustaining livelihood, to lift the poor out of the morass. It works, but false religion says it does not, that its a rip off, and slavery of the poor. Actually, hand outs deepen dependency, and makes it even more difficult to maintain even minimum sustenance. Bah Rahk’s programs are purposely doing this.
      What is going on is devious and evil, in that liberal identification is being “bought” with entitlement programs. 100 years of liberal education has made the populace, especially minorities, so ignorant that don’t realize what’s being done to them, by their liberal government. These programs are evil and demonic in intent and practice.
      The Catholic church should divest some assets, and put some people to work in some of the bankrupt .European countries, and forget about profit for a few years. maybe it would turn some of them around economically. The RCC has got to be worth a few hundred billion, just in trinkets, and bullion. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WORK.

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  • SandyfromChesterfield
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:57pm

    This is exactly how our private Catholic school was forced to close. A social justice Catholic nun was determined to close it because she did not believe there should be a separate school for the “rich elite”. She believed the children should just go to public schools.

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:11pm

      Pope Francis is very conservative and the buzz on traditional Catholic websites is that he wants to reform those types of “nuns.”

      In other words, he leans very heavily against what that so-called nun defines as liberation theology. They believe is wants to reform the heretics, just as St. Francis of Assisi did.

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    • nanageek1
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:24am

      I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school. When I was in 6th Grade, my teacher, Mother Johanna told the class the Jesus was a communist and the Pres. Lincoln deserved to die because he went to the theater on Good Friday.
      Then when I was 15, the rules changed in the church. Rules that were considered mortal sins were no longer sins at all.
      Here are some questions. When was Jesus in Rome? If the pope is so humble, when will he sell all the treasures at the Vatican and give the proceeds to the poor? Hypocrisy anyone?

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 6:14am

      @NANAGEEK,

      Matthew 26:11 “The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.”

      The Catholic Church is the caretaker of lots of art that gives GLORY TO GOD! It does not take any money out of the pockets of anyone and selling it will never, ever stop poverty.

      But a more important point, NANAGEEK, is this:

      The Catholic Church is everywhere taking care of the most destitute, sick, and poor on earth! Who do think went over to leper colonies and took care of them?

      Mother Teresa’s nuns have chapters all over the world, taking people out of gutters and cleaning their filthy, sore-ridden, smelly bodies, and giving them the DIGNITY that is owed a child of Christ!

      Why do you think Catholics were the first to help Haiti’s poor after their devastating earthquake? Well, NANAGEEK, it is because they were ALREADY THERE! Serving the poor.

      Many Christian organizations serve the poor, but the Catholic Church is 1 billion strong, and we give the most, and we serve the most, by far.

      We don’t have to SELL anything because we give and give and give, at every Mass. Around the world, there are Masses being said 24 hours a day.

      And our religious brothers and sisters give their lives over to that purpose as well.

      I challenge someone on this site to look up the numbers on Catholic charity. If you are honest, it will astound you.

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    • chucksue351
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 9:29am

      traditionalcatholicgirl, Yeshua told those who came to him saying Lord Lord to depart from him even though they had do many good things, because He did not know them, why, because they were workers of iniquidy (lawlessness) christianity has lost its way over the centuries and now is in danger of this outcome

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    • nanageek1
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:02pm

      @tradcatholicgirl

      All verses are taken from the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
      John 14:5, 6
      “Thomas saith to him: ‘Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?’ Jesus saith to him: ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.’”
      Ephesians 2:8-10

      8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God;
      9 Not of works, that no man may glory.
      10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them.
      Matthew 7:21 – 23 Douay-Rheims (RC Translation)
      “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

      There is nothing we can do here on earth that will get us into Heaven. Jesus gives us salvation for free. We must TRULY repent of our sins and Jesus will save us. As humans, we will continue to sin because it is our nature. We ALL fall short of His glory. Yet now, if we have TRULY repented, when we do sin, we will be feel terrible and run to Him for forgiveness. We do good works because we want to please God and no

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  • PlanetReality
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:51pm

    AS This country looks to obama for answer!!!
    ? HAHA HAHAHAA!!!!!!!!

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  • RationalMan
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:50pm

    If Fran, is so concern about the poor so much, why doesn’t he talk more about “Capitalism”?

    Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.

    Oops I forgot, all religion are in favor of “Socialism”!… ;)

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:23am

      RationalMan “Oops I forgot, all religion are in favor of “Socialism”!… That’s only in your religion.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:47am

      @RATIONALMAN

      We agree that many (if not all, or at least most) religions preach some form of ‘socialism’, but I think there is a difference between ‘political socialism’ and ‘religious socialism’.

      There is no escaping ‘political socialism’. As long as you are within the jurisdiction of the government, you MUST participate.

      ‘Religious socialism’, on the other hand, is voluntary. You can CHOOSE to participate.

      Imagine a community living under the ‘law of consecration’ where all give liberally to their neighbors and none are in want. Imagine each person understanding his role and position in the community and willingly gives some of the fruits of his labor to one whose crops have failed, their house burned down, or is the victim of disease or injury.

      My belief is that this would be a happy and vibrant community, each trying to help the other succeed, knowing their another’s success is their success.

      This is in stark contrast to ‘political socialism’ which has connotations of slaves and slackers.

      I find pleasure in sharing my excess with those who are not as fortunate as me, however I resist being forced to take care of others.

      Religion provides the motive for me overcoming my natural tendency to look after only myself, and teaches me that we are all God’s children.

      Those who share my viewpoint are grateful for any help I give them; those who expect it from me are often upset I didn’t give more.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:57am

      brother_ed,

      Don’t I and others decide our own “DESTINEY”? (P.S. not you!!!)

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:08am

      begreen stated…
      RationalMan “Oops I forgot, all religion are in favor of “Socialism”!… That’s only in your religion
      ———————————————————————————————–
      Yep! Due your own homework young man, You’ll do justice!!!!

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:51am

      @RATIONALMAN

      Absolutely!!

      Religion is voluntary, though there are some theocratic tendencies among some followers – forcing ALL to follow – but this would be under the umbrella of ‘political socialism’.

      ‘Religious socialism’ pertains only to those who agree with the tenants of a particular religion.

      It is utopian…I agree, but it is the ideal of many religions and can only be attained when all follow. The problem is, we are in a ‘fallen state’ and are subject to ‘natural desires’, therefore it is probably unattainable.

      It can, however, be accomplished in small groups for a short period – at least that what history shows us.

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  • PlanetReality
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:49pm

    And who can remember the catholic church as that????
    TIME FOR REALITY AND GODS LAW BALANCE BROUGHT BACK TO AN UNBALANCED LOST NATION!!!!
    ISAIAH 66:18 cant be more clearer!!!??

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  • FIREANDBRIMSTONE
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:41pm

    Well if thats the case he will have his work cut out for him considering the current Catholic cult is all about money, power, double standards, and indoctrination.

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  • LoveBringsTruth
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:40pm

    Just the fact that he is from Argentina is going to show this man is a social justice communist. Thats the culture he has lived in.

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  • suzzi
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:31pm

    I believe there are 9 parts to this, and I would highly recommend it to all.. tons of facts. POPE AND THE PAPACY by John Macarthur. http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%252F#/watch?v=bpWDUt89t2g

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  • Beachmastermax
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:23pm

    The Catholic Church should be for the poor, it does a good job of making alot of them.

    Knowing that all the Americas has about the same natural resource potential and was introduced to western culture simultaneously, ever ask yourself why all countries south of the mexican Border are considered poor or third world and those north are first world?

    Thi pope’s statement should give you a hint.

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  • MRARGUELLES267
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:45pm

    In my opinion Pope Francis views will be very similar to Pope Benedict XVI. Pope John Paul II still has a very popular image with the Catholic church and during the reign on Pope Benedict XVI the Catholic church faced a lot of criticism for the churches stance on marriage, homosexuality, pedophilia, and abortion. I can imagine Pope Francis will shape his image by trying to be similar to Pope John Paul II, Gandhi, and many others who he can present as people who care more for the poor. But he is very conservative and traditional in Catholic views. A very confusing character.

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:05pm

      Benedict was more conservative. This guy is a commie.

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    • DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:07pm

      When the church leader states that his mission is to make the church just for the poor, not the middle class, not the working class, not the wealthy, he is making a statement that is sure to make the majority of people think he does not represent them. Is he a minion of our vactionerNchief because he pulls the same redistribution game? Appeal to all the takers who call themselves “the poor” so they can take more. Also calling themselves the have-nots sounds so much better than the work-nots. The Catholic Church has courted many followers for example in South America where it promises to redistribute the wealth of the US Catholics to them. That is the way tithing in the Catholic Church works – money goes to the leaders & is re-distributed to local churches as they decide it is needed.

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    • MRARGUELLES267
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:10pm

      He doesn’t seem like a communist to me. I wouldn’t doubt he is influenced by socialism ideals.

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:51pm

      How is he confusing?

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:29pm

      MRARGUELLES267,
      When a Pope or any other religious leaders mentions about “Poor” in their talking points, I’ll bet you
      he/she are talking about “Socialism”! (Sacrifice, Sacrifice…)

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:35pm

      @Mrarguelles267,

      Sorry. My last post was not clear.

      You posted: ” I can imagine Pope Francis will shape his image by trying to be similar to Pope John Paul II, Gandhi, and many others who he can present as people who care more for the poor. But he is very conservative and traditional in Catholic views. A very confusing character.”
      ____________________________

      How is he a confusing character? John Paul II was a very conservative and traditional Catholic but was humble and cared to the poor. Pope Francis is also very conservative and traditional, but focuses on the caring for the poor. Mother Teresa is another prime example of someone who was both.

      They are not mutually exclusive character traits. You don’t have to be either Con/Trad Catholic OR Compassionate.

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  • bikerdogred1
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:44pm

    POPE,do not forget who donates and it isn’t the poor either.

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    • circleDwagons
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:41pm

      There is poor than thereis poor. There are many in this world who are poor in faith, spirit and will.

      The Church should be there for the poor and sinners.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:00am

      circleDwagons,
      Then sell all your assets, after all, it’s all for the poor, even though, you worked your a$$ off…

      Sacrifice, Sacrifice…i.e. just for the poor….good for you!!! (You’ll go to heaven…Right?)

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    • begreen
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 12:29am

      RationalMan” Sacrifice, Sacrifice…i.e. just for the poor….good for you!!! (You’ll go to heaven…Right?) Are saying you prefer hell? Your talking pts sounds like Me Me and more Me.

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:19am

      begreen stated…
      RationalMan” Sacrifice, Sacrifice…i.e. just for the poor….good for you!!! (You’ll go to heaven…Right?) Are saying you prefer hell? Your talking pts sounds like Me Me and more Me.
      ______________________________________________________________

      Not at all, read what I’ve posted…taking information out of contexts…nice try begreen!!!

      Begreen is a fool and a liar!!! You sir are no way speaking for your “GOD”!

      Hypocrite, that you are!!!

      How is your “Crony Capitalism” doing???

      See folks, keep an eye on these turkeys!!!

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:28am

      begreen stated….
      RationalMan” Sacrifice, Sacrifice…i.e. just for the poor….good for you!!! (You’ll go to heaven…Right?) Are saying you prefer hell? Your talking pts sounds like Me Me and more Me.
      ______________________________________________________________

      Amazing begreen, do you control my life along with everybody else?

      So Begreen, is in favor of altruism? Right begreen?…..

      What is the moral code of altruism? The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.

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  • AmericanStrega
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:36pm

    Meet the new Pope. Same as the old Pope. He’s the same as our politicians here in America. Tell your peeps what they want to hear and they will love you. Bla,bla,bla…….. (btw, I’m Catholic and have not recognized a Pope since John Paul II. That’s my opinion. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?)

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    • Stelex
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:48pm

      Yes…yes I do. I’ll meet you outside the Rockinham Mall in Salem NH. Second level parking outside Macy’s.. 9am tomorrow morning. You don’t show and it tells all your a wimp. See ya there.

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  • Stelex
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:34pm

    The whole Pope thing lost me when I saw the first pope riding in a pope mobile. Just seemed like a complete lack of faith to me. I’m sure there all nice people but its hard to convince me of a faith in God, when your his right hand man and don’t have enough faith in him to keep you alive. Just sayin. Still thinking about it …………A humble megalomaniac.

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    • Horsewithnoname
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:10pm

      One can be both pious and pragmatic. Meaning, no matter how deep the Pope’s faith is in Our Lord,, at any moment on any day of the week, you will find MILLIONS of people on earth who would wish to do extreme and permanent harm to our Pope. People such as this would consider inflicting public, severe personal damage on The Pope to be a great flowery feather in their Pagan’s Cap. Let’s not pretend we don’t already know this. Eventually, this elderly Pope may have to accept the formal protective rings only trusted and armed bodyguards can provide.

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    • Stelex
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:17pm

      Eh, still comes back to faith, if its your time to go via bullet or heart attack, isn’t that up to God. ????

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    • firearm
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:19pm

      Maybe God provided the inspiration for the “pope mobile” as a means to keep the Pope alive.

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    • tradcatholicgirl
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:01pm

      Stelex,

      About the “Popemobile.”

      You must know that John Paul II was shot almost point blank by a professional killer while riding in an open vehicle, in 1981?

      One of the bullets missed a major artery by a fraction of an inch. He suffered multiple lesions of the abdomen and a massive hemorrhage, and he had transfusion of about six pints of blood.

      After that, it was mandated that he ride in a vehicle that had bullet proof glass so that the faithful could still see him. In other words, “the Popemobile.”

      Oh, and he forgave and counseled his would-be assassin in person.

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    • TH777
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 11:36pm

      @Tradcatholicgirl: Only God knows when your time of demise will be. You can put yourself in the most dangerous position possible but if it’s not “Gods” time for you to go then you will not leave this earth. If a pope uses a pope mobile to protect themselves then all that says to me is that they don’t trust Gods word, Does that make sense to you?

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    • firearm
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 3:30am

      TH777 by your logic, no Christian would ever need a gun. Maybe God knows you will die because you would not defend yourself.

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    • Eastinfection
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 9:23am

      TH777…..

      You paint a ridiculously cartoonish version of God.

      How do you know God didn’t put the creators of the pope-mobile on earth to protect the pope?
      If God created the laws of physics, then he abides by his own laws…. he doesn’t pass out magic force-fields to select individuals.

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    • TH777
      Posted on March 17, 2013 at 1:42pm

      @Firearm & Eastinfection: I certainly do see your point.

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:23pm

    It will be interesting to see if some of the gold and jeweled crowns and crosses in the Vatican treasure rooms start showing up at Southerbe’s auctions.

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    • Stelex
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:36pm

      If he’s really humble they’ll be on “Craiglist”

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    • DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 9:20pm

      I do believe re-distribution of wealth is such a grand promise to all your peeps. Too bad he didn’t start by asking our vacationerNchief to donate his Hawaiian mansion to the poor. & how about donating the cool mil he got from that undeserved Nobel peace prize? & how about the mils he gets in book sales from mooches garden book? & how about the book sales of his fictitious dreams of his father? I could go n all night!

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    • RationalMan
      Posted on March 16, 2013 at 10:40pm

      DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT stated…
      I do believe re-distribution of wealth….
      —————————————————
      O.K. we’ll start with you, sell all your assets and just maybe others might follow you!

      Right now you should be living in a cave. What happen, caves don’t have electricity?

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  • justangry
    Posted on March 16, 2013 at 8:16pm

    I hope he stands up for the poor by standing up for the free market unlike his predecessor, but reading between the lines I don’t suppose that’s going to happen. Fingers crossed that I’m wrong.

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