
A man reads a newspaper at a cafe in the Cypriot capital Nicosia on March 17, 2013. (Photo by BARBARA LABORDE/AFP/Getty Images).
The world learned Saturday that the small Mediterranean country of Cyprus had agreed to a deal with European Union creditors that would impose a financial transaction tax as high as 9.9 percent on all depositors.
Depending on whether the Cypriot government finalizes the deal, which is still pending, this means that every depositor will have a portion of his money confiscated by the government when the banks reopen Tuesday morning.
“Accounts under 100,000 euros will have 6.75% of the funds seized. Accounts over 100,000 euros will have 9.9% seized,” Business Insider’s Henry Blodget explains.
After these funds are seized, the EU’s emergency lending facility and the International Monetary Fund, headed by Christine LaGarde, will drop €10 billion on keeping the banks in Cyprus running.
Unsurprisingly, after Cypriots learned of the surprise deal, many rushed to empty their bank accounts. However, according to various reports, ATMs have not been functioning properly and the government has made it impossible to transfer money outside of the country’s borders.
Obviously, the EU’s bailout conditions (and the fact that Cyprus seems willing to go along with them) are unprecedented.
You see, most bank bailout efforts in the past have put the burden on bondholders — not the actual depositors. Furthermore, it has usually been the goal to protect depositors to keep them withdrawing their funds en masse, creating a “run on the bank.”
But all that seems to have changed this weekend, which raises some obvious questions: Where does this go from here? What will this mean for the U.S. and the rest of the world? Will this actually help Cyprus’ banks or will it create a spreading panic and crash?
The Associated Press offers these thoughts:
Cyprus may be on holiday Monday, but the rest of the world will go back to work. [Jacob Kirkegaard, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington ] says that the decision to tax tap depositors indicates that the European Central Bank is confident that the risk of a bank run elsewhere in the eurozone is low – and by excluding Greek branches of Cypriot banks, they have reduced the possibility even further.
Bond markets may react a little since bondholders were also tapped. Bank stocks will probably fall and they’ll see their borrowing costs rise since this deal signals that other eurozone countries may call on bondholders if their banks run into trouble.
But Heather Conley, director of Europe program for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says it’s hard to know the far-reaching implications of this one-off deal. The “exceptions” created to solve Europe’s debt crisis are adding up, she said. And some investors may look at this late-night, three-day-weekend deal and see what she saw: a dress rehearsal for a country dropping out of the euro.
But Blodget raises some really interesting points:
Depositors in Cyprus banks will lose some of their deposits.
They will be furious about this.
And they will, rightly, feel that it is grossly unfair — because depositors in the bailed-out banks in Ireland, Greece, etc. didn’t lose their money. And they will feel like fools for not having taken their money out.
Indeed, as we noted in June 2012 when Spain — unlike Ireland and Greece — was awarded its no-austerity bailout, the “EU is like a family. And as anyone with siblings can tell you, when one kid gets special treatment, all the kids want special treatment.”
We have a feeling that Cypriots (as well as Russians and other non-residents who have stashed massive amounts of cash in Cyprus banks) are not going to be happy if the country goes forward with the proposed bailout deal.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel chats with Cyprus’s President Nicos Anastasiades on March 15, 2013 in Brussels. (Bertrand Langlois/AFP via Getty Images).
Blodget continues:
And … here’s the important part …
Other depositors at weak banks all over Europe, in places like Spain, Italy, and Greece, will rightly wonder whether this is the beginning of a new era of bank bailouts, an era in which bank depositors are going lose some of their money.
What do you think those other depositors in Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., are going to feel like doing when they realize that, if their banks ever need a bailout, they might have their deposits seized?
That’s right. They’re going to feel like yanking their money out of their banks.
And if some of them yank their money out of their banks, well — then the financial condition of those banks will go from weak to insolvent. And the banks will go rushing to their governments and the Eurozone for help.
And if, god forbid, the Eurozone decides to seize the deposits of more bank depositors …
Well, then, a good portion of Europe is going to suddenly experience a good old-fashioned bank run. That, to put it mildly, could be a disaster.
The destruction of its banking sector would be a disaster for the EU economy, and a disaster for the EU economy would translate into a disaster for anyone who does business with them: The U.S., China, Japan, etc.
Considering that the U.S. did roughly $265 billion in exports and $380 billion in imports with the European Union in 2012, a crippling EU banking crisis would most certainly send shockwaves through the U.S.
Furthermore, should Cyprus agree to the deal, it’s not just the economic ramifications of a possible EU-wide run on the bank that should have everyone yelling, “Stop!” It’s the fact that Cyprus and European Union creditors are telling the rest of the world that targeting depositors is an apparently legitimate strategy.
Could this happen in the U.S.? Would Congress ever enact a financial transaction tax on U.S. depositors? To answer that question, let’s take a look at the following thoughts from Zero Hedge.
First, here’s a summary of the consolidated U.S. depository system, which, “according to the Fed’s December 31, 2012 Flow of Funds report had a grand total of $15 trillion in assets, and a matched number of liabilities, of which 72%, or a total of $10.9 trillion was in the form of deposits (checkable, small and large time, and savings).”
This is what it looks like:
“So, if the US was to go the Cyprus route, and begin impairing balance sheet liabilities to remark assets, there would be precious little space (with just $4.3 trillion in total other funding liabilities), before one would need to start eating into the deposit base,” Zero Hedge explains.
But would Congress ever go the Cypress route?
Obviously, we can’t really answer that question, but “it was ‘absolutely certain’ as recently as 48 hours ago that Cyprus too would see no depositor ‘bail in’ either,” the Hedge points out.
“What is known,” the report continues, “is that…the necessary debt-reduction needed in the US to reach a sustainable debt level, was over $8.2 trillion using debt numbers as of 2009 … Since then consolidated US debt has risen by over $5 trillion.”
“Which means that if, indeed, the US proceeds with its own wealth tax, then deposits may well be one ‘wealth class’ that gets impaired,” it continues.
“Of course, since in the US other financial assets, namely the stock market, account for a far greater proportion of household net worth, it is quite possible that instead of impairing deposits at US banks, which already subsist solely due to the Fed’s $2 trillion in excess reserves, the government may instead choose to generously tax simple 30% of all of your stock holdings, and achieve the same ‘wealth transfer’ result,” the report adds
Hopefully, it never comes to this. Hopefully, the EU and Cyprus rethink their “tax the depositors” strategy — which they may be doing.
“Cyprus’ president said Sunday that he is trying to amend an unpopular euro zone bailout plan that would tax deposits in the country’s banks to reduce its effect on small savers,” the AP notes.
“But in a nationally televised speech, President Nicos Anastasiades also urged lawmakers to approve the tax in a vote Monday, saying it is essential to save the country from bankruptcy,” the report adds. “Some 25 lawmakers in the 56-seat Cypriot parliament said they wouldn’t vote for the tax amid deep resentment over a move some called disastrous.”
“I completely share the unpleasant sentiment that this difficult and onerous decision has caused,” Anastasiades said. “That’s why I continue to give battle so that the decisions of the eurozone are amended in the next hours to limit the effect on small depositors.”
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Comments (207)
zetuff
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:45pmThis should wake everyone up ..a must watch,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDXtHsz2q6Q&feature=share
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JP4JOY
Mar. 17, 2013 at 9:04pmI am very certain what you will see here is a conversion of ANY tax deferred account IRA, Keogh, Pension, etc. to US Treasury Bonds because there are NO international buyers and the FED can’t keep up the buying by itself. It will happen with the swift stroke of a pen, late on a Friday night. By Monday you will own Treasuries and if you try to take your money out (your choice) you will still suffer the penalties. There is about 6T$ in that market and it WILL happen and soon.
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nzkiwi
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:24pm@ Zetuff
That reaction in the video is undoubtedly what people are now thinking the world over – minus certain colourful expressions.
As I said in the earlier story on this, my first reaction was to consider my own financial position. I have two small children and I cannot leave their future to the predations of theives. I’ll bet I’m far from alone. I still haven’t figured out what I’m going to do yet, but I think that anybody who ignores this warning is a fool.
In accordance with the law of unintended consequences, this EU action has woken, not only Europe, but the whole world with a jolt. And on an individual basis. Few of us understand international finance, but we all understand money in the bank – and the potential theft of it.
These lofty European bureaucrats who have been contemptuosly dictating the lives of millions have just taken a step too far. In their conceit they have initiated their own demise.
I don’t necessarily blame the Cypriot government for any of this; they have been bullied by large banks and EU unelected bureaucrats. If I was them, the first thing I would do is dump the Euro and learn to stand on my own two feet again.
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brother_ed
Mar. 17, 2013 at 11:12pm@NZKIWI
I love listening to a guy with an English accent go on a rant!
That was both hilarious and disturbing at the same time!
I’m with you (and him – I think?) the best thing to do is to prepare.
He said the poor will go first…the elderly, the disabled, the poor are in for tough times ahead.
That means in order to have a chance of making it through the first wave, I had better get myself in order – financially, physically, mentally and spiritually.
Thankfully I have been heading in that direction since ’09.
There are, however, many who did not heed the warnings – either through ignorance or inability.
When the ‘regular’ people figure out what the ‘elites’ have been setting up, it is going to be messy.
Prepare, prepare, prepare.
There will be mass uprisings – those with nothing will have nothing to lose.
There will be chaos – Egyptian style vigilantism as people look for others to blame.
I hope cooler heads prevail, but as this man said, ‘this is a shot across the bow’.
I believe that when it starts to unravel, it will happen quickly.
Tyrants will rise to power (or existing leaders masks will come off).
Hang in there, good buddy…
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showmerancher
Mar. 18, 2013 at 12:24amHmmm… I could be wrong but it seems from the video that the Brits are becoming somewhat perturbed…
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tdaly
Mar. 18, 2013 at 5:11amThis is why governments at every level should never be indebted to the bankers, because when the money runs out, they’ll come get more one way or another and they’ve been robbing us since the Fed was created through it’s mandate of 2% for inflation for population growth when stable prices should mean zero inflation.
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SocialistSlayer
Mar. 18, 2013 at 8:42amIf they take our stocks it will mean a totally collapse of the stock market not only in the US but world wide and it will take a couple of generations for anyone to go back into the market – It will be panic at all levels Commodities, Precious metals, Utilities, transportation – it will be a nightmare – The US government as corrupt as they are hopefully will not do this unless they are intentionally trying to collapse our system.
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jakartaman
Mar. 18, 2013 at 8:58amCyprus – a little island – perfect for a test run to test the waters.
I am not a nervous jerky kind of guy but, you do not have to hit me on the head too many times.
1) – Get out of everything paper
2) – Get your $ out of the banks
3) – With the $ buy food, gins/ammo precious metals – things that are real and you can touch and use.
4) – The house of cards is starting to fall – the $1 quadrillion in derivative debt bubble is about to go pop – then its every man for himself – GOD help us all!!
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poorrichard09
Mar. 18, 2013 at 9:48am@jp4joy: CONgress has already had closed door discussions about “appropriating” the $2 trillion or so in IRA’s, 401K’s, etc. and replacing them with gov’t annuities backed by-wait for it-gov’t bonds! I’ve heard Mark Levin mention this several times.
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The_Fifth_Column
Mar. 18, 2013 at 10:12amLOL……He sounds nut’s……………………But he’s right on all counts. Bankers and the Elite Ruling class will have what you worked for. I don’t think that the mega wealthy Russian Mobsters are going to take this laying down.
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michael48
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:02am11/04/08…shuttered buss. and confiscated MY BANK ACCT…..btw…Cyprus wants to confiscate deposits ..why??…because they can’t print thier own money….hmmmm….but bennie and oBlamo can…any questions??????
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objectivetruth
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:21amMay I suggest to all of you living here in america the following.
Don’t bank online if you don’t have to.Don’t use direct deposit if you help it.Don’t work for any company that tells you its there only payment method.Consider cashing in your 401k if the penalty isn’t too high.Use a Roth Ira rather than a traditional one if you qualify.It has tax advantages and won’t be one of the first ones hit.Limit the amount of money deposited in checking to bills and a small extra sum[if you don't have overdraft protection this is crucial].Split your deposit going into savings.Put part of it into savings and save the rest in cash on hand.You are prepared for the possible thieves in either direction in this case.
Oh and I would say bullets beans and booze.But that to me is just a given.Oh and so too is a alternative heat and water source.I have always had all of that.To me this is normal for normal storm related emergencies.
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zenjak
Mar. 18, 2013 at 12:31pmSo what? Any private person’s money actually belongs to the government, anyway. Just ask our Congress and Prez.
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Walkabout
Mar. 18, 2013 at 1:14pmjakartaman
I assume that you are retired. I could be wrong. What type of company did you work for in Indonesia?
If you consider the question too forward or social engineering, don’t answer.
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Duke One
Mar. 18, 2013 at 1:37pmBibles, bullets, and beans !
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sprite
Mar. 18, 2013 at 1:43pmI appreciate this guys passion but I think his anger is partially misplaced. He rants at the banks as if they were fully responsible rather than the leftist bureaucrats that ordered the confiscation. Its always their fault. Their need for other’s money is insatiable.
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Leopold
Mar. 18, 2013 at 2:08pmHow is it illegal to come to the US with a Visa?
How is illegal applying for refugee status, while possessing a visa?
How is it illegal staying in the country while all LEGAL avenues like the courts from start to finish, including appeals, are pursued?
When all avenues lead to the denial of refugee status and this family then goes underground that is the first time they would have done something illegal.
So please, all you ignorants, read carefully and try to understand the info you take in.
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Leopold
Mar. 18, 2013 at 2:10pmwrong comment for this site.
Was meant for home schooling family
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Independent4233
Mar. 18, 2013 at 9:15pm“Hopefully, it never comes to this. Hopefully, the EU and Cyprus rethink their “tax the depositors” strategy — which they may be doing.”
It doesn’t matter whether they go through with the confiscation or not……at least to everyone except those affected by it now. Totalitarian seizure has been projected on the world screen for all to see. Where it was only a theory before, it can now be seen as a grim probability, if not now then in the near future, because governments and banks aren’t going to recover back to a sustainable status.
Talk of taxing pension funds before withdrawal has been urged by no other than Jesse Jackson, and others have promoted converting cash assets to treasury bonds by the government.
I’m not sure if there will be bank runs in other EU countries right now, but I do know if depositors don’t opt for a safer haven than banks, stocks or bonds, they stand to lose a sizeable chunk of their money to the government either through outright confiscation, asset conversion, or some kind of “banking tax,” levied to keep them afloat.
And probably non-monetary assets are at risked for some kind of additional tax levies as well. On the state and local levels property taxes will likely be increased again and again as government spending increases and revenues decrease.
Gold and silver seem to be the safest haven right now if people take actual physical possession of them.
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kmac32
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:38pmGermany is pushing hard to have a balanced budget this year or next, while the rest of Europe plays the Socialist games of yesteryear…. Spain is a disaster, a terminal patient, with Greece to follow. This Cyprus situation will create a scenario tipping point that leaves Germany as the power player, isolating itself as the rest of the union collapses. Will we see another beligerent Germany? Eventually.
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AMERICA4EVER
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:51pmI can’t understand why this isn’t front page news, on my Fox home page or any other? Are they down playing this?
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nzkiwi
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:32pmThat surprises me, too. I can tell you that it’s on the NZ news. Almost everybody here is watching this.
There is one benefit to this inattetion; you will be able to to take the course of action that you decide apon without getting killed in the rush…
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punyhuman
Mar. 17, 2013 at 11:01pmAmerica, NZ, I can tell you why there isn’t any reporting on this; they don’t want to tell, they don’t want anyone to know, and they don’t want to be seen as part of it. MSM is only there for the prop-[as in prop it up]-aganda value to the gubm’nt.
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showmerancher
Mar. 18, 2013 at 12:13amThe reason this isn’t a bigger story in the U.S. is because of the precarious position the country is in, and the last thing they need is for people to realize that they should remove their money from the banks. They want everything to look like all is well here so that the Europeans will invest their money in U.S. Treasury bonds which the U.S. desperately needs. Or maybe not… maybe everything is really hunky-dory here in the good ole US of A. After all, Obama is making a point of telling us that we don’t have any debt problem and that we are fine. Today John Boehner and Paul Ryan both said that they agree with King Barry; we don’t have any debt problem… Now there’s a group with some credibility on all things economic; NOT! With those three in agreement, I think we’re in much bigger trouble than anyone is letting on.
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cloudsofwar
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:10amthis is just plain stealing. the euro fat cats have screwed it up and now are going after deposits. coming here if the dems get control of the house and keep the senate in 2014. but what the he!! can we do? you put your money in the banks because if your like me you want the fdic insurance. we have to keep the dems from getting total control and pray.
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cloudsofwar
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:23amif this continues WAR is coming. europe will brake apart again and the bullits will fly once again. history repeats itself again? well the third time will be a charm.
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kmac32
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:33pmIf the plan is approved, there will be a run on European banks that will spread to the rest of the world. There is no way to stop it. It will start slow enough, but will ramp up to a crisis overnight and the result will be panic leading to government martial intervention.
Mark this as the tipping point. Wealth confiscation (the taking – not taxing) of what you possess is the last step.
Also, I am not sure how all you “precious metal” holders are going to “access” the actual precious metal unless you have it in hand… You all have certificates…. It’s no different than the cash holders. Your precious metal wealth can be confiscated just as easy when it is in paper or electronic form….
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Wino911
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:47pmAnyone with a lick of sense would not have “paper” metals…
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michael48
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:48pmprogressives in San fran discussed the confiscation of ALL 401(k) and IRA accounts…placing them in a retirement account , managed(mis) by the gov. gumbas…they did an excellent job with Social Security….right???…this was discussed by the totalitarian crowd in 2008…wonder how this has progressed in 5 years…a transparency thingy?????
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nzkiwi
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:51pm@ Kmac
I think that you’re right. If Cyprus proceeds with this, the international response will be dramatic. The EU is going to wish that this idea was never mentioned, let alone an attempt made to impliment it.
Even if it does not proceed, and I can’t see how they could believe it to be a good idea to continue, every individual has just been made starkly aware of the precariousness of the European financial position, and the likely impact on their personal existence. Financial planning will be immediately re-evaluated from large organisations to little people like you and me (well, me anyway).
No matter what they do now, this toothpaste isn’t going to go back into the tube…
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OBAMANATIONOFDESOLATION
Mar. 18, 2013 at 1:14am#michael48 – The “exchange” of personal retirement accounts will happen the next big crash. The real purpose is to take controlling interest in all publicly traded corporations. The union retirement accounts are unfunded and liable in the 10′s of trillions of dollars and are the driving force behind this, besides the elites. What more could they want than to dump their retirement and medical insurance liabilities AND take control of the corporations? See retirement-usa.org.
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VetMike
Mar. 18, 2013 at 8:55amOr the people who are holding the gold for you have never actually had the gold and the money is hidden away somewhere.
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cloudsofwar
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:32amif you don’t have it in hand you are Screwed. and if you have it just try to get cash for it so you can buy supplies, good luck. if things fall apart in this country all the gold in the world can’t help you. the gov will take your gold and give you a bullet in the head if you protest. you should always have supplies in your home even if it’s only enough for a couple weeks. got to make it thru the first wave of riots. but what the he!! if things get that bad in this country then……… who knows. even during the great depression things didn’t fall completely apart, we made it thru.
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ApplyLogic
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:41amWhat on earth do you guys think you are going to do with a basement full of gold and other precious metals? You can’t eat it, you can’t use it to defend yourself or hunt for food. And if you think you are going to use it for currency or as a way to get currency, you’re kidding yourselves. The government isn’t going to let you outsmart them that easily. If the economy collapses to that point, the government will either manipulate the exchange rate to drain your supply, tax the transactions out of existence, or ban the use completely and seize the metals to fund themselves.
If you want a hedge against the possible economic disaster, learn a high-demand skill or trade and supply yourself with what you will need to earn a living in the new barter economy.
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LEFT_NY_4_GOOD
Mar. 18, 2013 at 10:43pmOk. Lets assume you have some gold an it is in ounces. When the **** hits the fan who will be able to make change for an ounce of gold worth a gazillion dollars. Keep a **** load of non perishable, water and enough ammo to survive at least three months. That’s if you still live in a State that will ALLOW you to protect yourself and loved ones with that pesky old 2nd amendment
Three months you last and you may see the dust settle you will.
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lel2007
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:20pmBusiness as usual for the Socialist F’ing Thieving b’tards (FTBs). I’ve heard it said ‘we get the kind of government we deserve’. But those without bank accounts on Cyprus are delighted.
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Beachmastermax
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:16pmCould you at least put the word “tax” in quotes? This is stealing.
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CatB
Mar. 17, 2013 at 9:37pmExactly
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Mil-Dot
Mar. 18, 2013 at 5:19amBack in the day when men were men if you stole a person’s lively hood ie is horse, his cows or his money, you were either shot or hanged. People need to step up to the plate and end this madness.
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christianUSA
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:48amOpinion: they took SS funds right? most seem to be questioning if US govnm would take funds deposited with federal system and use it to cover govnm debt; but was and is not social security{interesting name socialized insecurity more like it) deposits from weekly hard work from US taken for all kinds of things including govnm debt? But govnm promised to not do that to keep it safe. But call it accounting method or “tax” and per supreme court they have unlimited power to take any of our funds; and per the court almost anything like forcing health care can be considered a “tax”. When that happen decades ago were there massive protests, move to vote them out, impeachments etc? When they gave Trillions away to private financial corps that scammed what happen to the protest, how many indicted, convicted, how many con house losers helped, bond holders repaid? Because of all that property values dropped markly across the country destroying families savings put innocent people in economic trouble but without any help unlike the corps. So if they need funds because of debt in the future whose and which funds does history teach they will take?
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NigelTufnel
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:14pmIt’s Sunday evening. I had a great weekend. I hope you did too. I’ve been feeling a bit more optimistic our economic situation lately. But this week I hear Obama say that “he’s not going to chase fixing the budget for the sake of fixing the budget…..really?” Then I read this article. This is gonna go down isn’t it? This isn’t just a bunch of conservatives sounding off is it? This isn’t just a bunch of chicken little sky-falling notation is it? This is how they will take wealth isn’t it? It’s gonna freakin’ happen isn’t it? Man I was hoping to make it to retirement before it did. Then again maybe it’s better to happen when I am still in decent shape. I split wood for heat as a kid and I was really hoping to never have to do it again.
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Beachmastermax
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:41pmThe problem will be not getting shot while splitting wood and someone taking your ax.
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kmac32
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:49pmNigel, I am concerned about how you convinced yourself that the “economic situation” was getting better “lately”… (The rest of what you say/said in your posts is good stuff though)
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softunderbelly
Mar. 17, 2013 at 9:42pmIf anyone has any doubts that this may happen, the Chrysler bondholders have some news for you.
Remember, this is NOT TAXING! This is confiscation! Someone above mentioned replacing the values of all tax deferred retirement accounts (401Ks, ROTH IRAs, IRAs etc.) with treasury bills. Why not? It’s just an asset swap, Right?
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OBAMANATIONOFDESOLATION
Mar. 18, 2013 at 1:19am@SOFTUNDERBELLY – the 401k swap is about taking controlling interest of the corporations and allowing the unions to dump their retirement/medical liabilities. See retirement-usa.org.
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Fred Noonan
Mar. 18, 2013 at 8:49pmNigel:
“This crisis could go to eleven”
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woodyee
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:11pmWhether the Greeks decide to cancel the idea is, I think, a moot point. If the US gobblement/Feds were to close the banks on Friday and contemplate doing this on Monday while keeping the banks closed, I’d be yanking my money out on Tuesday, regardless! Watch the Russians switch banks faster than Obama and the DemonicRats can propose a tax increase – that’s FAST!!
I think the Greeks will do the same. Heck, that run might even spread to Spain, and then? Hooboy…
I’ll be watching gold and silver on Monday.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:13pmthe exchanges are open in hong kong
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oldguy49
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:17pmamen ……….pass the ammo
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woodyee
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:18pmYep, but the Greeks ain’t decided yet.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:20pmI just read this =
However, depositors in Cypriot banks outside the country, including in Greece, are unaffected by the levy.=
The local people there are REALY screwed
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gthorson
Mar. 18, 2013 at 12:35pmWhy do you think stocks went up so much last week?
Big money people got wind of these things before the common man and started investing their cash.
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dodgedart1966
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:03pmI’ve been investing heavy in precious metals—Brass and lead. If it all goes back to normal, I can shoot every weekend and I won’t have to buy any ammo for years.
If it all falls apart, my $22.99 box of 9MM shells will be worth??????????
$200? $300? $400?
And I’m putting some cash in my mattress after reading this story. Not all, but some.
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NigelTufnel
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:19pmLast year I bought a pretty decent safe. At .5% interest I couldn’t see having so much in savings. I keep half at home now. I keep enough in the bank to cover my debt. Anything else I try to put elsewhere. I really think this is one of the motivators in the market. Better to own part of a company than to tie your traditional savings and checking to your government run medical data-base.
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Walkabout
Mar. 17, 2013 at 9:20pmNigelTufnel
“Better to own part of a company ”
That is key. Keep income coming in no matter how much they inflate the damn currency.
The financial system just seems to be a way of feeding the banksters and some high ranking politicians
Confronting Pelosi on insider trading
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57323518-10391709/confronting-pelosi-on-insider-trading/
“Pelosi bought 5,000 shares of Visa at $44 and the stock price rose to $64 just two days later. The credit card legislation never made it to the House floor.”
(64-44)*5,000 = 20*5,000 = 100,000 for 2 days worth of insider trading(?)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57324034/pelosi-defends-record-after-60-minutes-report/
Yup, the trolls sure do love Nancy long time.
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nzkiwi
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:38pmThat’s one of the things that I’ve been considering also, Nigel.
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nzkiwi
Mar. 18, 2013 at 2:32am@ Walkabout
Thanks for those links. That was an eye-opener!
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Walkabout
Mar. 18, 2013 at 9:47amnzkiwi
YW
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:55pmBarrys POS American idol stole peoples gold and he’ll do the same but it won’t make any difference. Now where did I bury my silver and gold? What shall I say when the government goons come for it? Sorry you’re too late another thief was faster than you thieving bastards.
http://www.silvermonthly.com/government-confiscation-gold-happened-beforecould-happen/
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:02pmlove this topic I have been falowing it on BBC all weekend
I think they dont want the gold there to bulky I think they just want crazyness in a small country so it can spread
IN USA the same they just want crazyness not gold
who cares about gold or money or anything if you control the army and food
It happened once before were a goverment took the land from farmers ? (no hint)
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:12pmInsert any communist country,Russia or China.
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woodyee
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:17pmYeah, that’s how FDR and the DemonicRats handle their boondoggles – rape the People. But the lessons were learned. Many morons think FDR was a great leader. HA! Nowadays, most think Obammy is.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:20pmbingo
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Exrepublisheep
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:27pmInteresting. You think only Obama would do this? That Romney, or any other repub wouldn’t? The same party that gave you homeland security, the patriot act, and started a 2 Trillion dollar war that killed off over 3,000 Americans would suddenly decline to grab “”free” money from its citizens?
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:52pmExrepublisheep — not a bad point
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BlackCrow
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:51pmIn this country it wii be the 401k accounts they go after. You can’t take your money out without a tax penalty so they have you either way.
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NigelTufnel
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:00pmI’ve often thought they would force us to take it out, pay the penalty and tax and put what’s left into a failed banking system or medicare system, or social security system. Either way they’ve got it down as a D-Day option. Maybe we will call such things the “Cyprus Twist”.
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JP4JOY
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:46pmI am very certain what you will see here is a conversion of ANY tax deferred account IRA, Keogh, Pension, etc. to US Treasury Bonds because there are NO international buyers and the FED can’t keep up the buying by itself. It will happen with the swift stroke of a pen, late on a Friday night. By Monday you will own Treasuries and if you try to take your money out (your choice) you will still suffer the penalties. There is about 6T$ in that market and it WILL happen and soon.
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Dougral Supports Israel
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:47pmIf that was done here the banks would collapse overnight from the rush of people withdrawing their money.
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doomytram
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:55pmIf you listened to Boehner, Bozo the Clown, and the MSM we won’t any sort of debt or monetary crisis until the late 2030′s. I guess that means it could happen anywhere from tomorrow to 2015 or so.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:57pmNO NO on saturday there only the trust companys were open and they locked the doors early
it is a 3 day long weekend
The bank machines emptied saturday
tuesday IF the banks open they will lock doors as the trust companys did ?
Friday is the big day when people want to cash pay checks ?
If you lived there you would freek out if you had DIRECT DEPOSIT on your paycheck
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drs1969
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:04pmYou can bet there would immediately be a Bank Holiday to stop the run. The FED intends to steal our money thru inflation.
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Deborah
Mar. 18, 2013 at 11:43amIndeed, Dougral. Methinks this is why Homeland Insecurity has amassed all those hollow-point bullets and is moving toward more surveillance and more gun control. Do not be surprised if the govt. at some point floats out this process as a trial balloon.
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TRILO
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:45pmOne way or another we are screwed just faster than we initially thought should it pass.
The people of Cyrus must look in the mirror as this is partially their doing. You can not live off of free money or money from others forever. The criminal banksters were given a pass by the corrupt politicians in order to present the illusion of prosperity.
We all know how this ends. The TBTF banks, the bankers and politicians are To Big to Jail. The people, because they thought money grew on trees will live a life of poverty and despair for many decades.
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drs1969
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:08pmThey’re in the same Euro as Ireland and Greece. There’s the problem. The Euro is choking these nations to death.
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vic138
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:42pmThis means that the bankers dont really have a plan. This will infuriate the people of europe and cause bank runs and multiple Icelands. The bankers helped the crisis in 2008 by letting Lehman go under. Unless this is what they want… Buckle up boys.
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grickm
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:38pmWhich is worse, this statement by the Cyprus government that “what’s yours is really mine,” or the stealth Bernanke tax on savers in the US, which is the difference on interest paid by a savings account and the higher rate of inflation.
The official rate of inflation as of this month is 2%. A web site of “best” savings accounts shows an interest rate around 1%, so assume accounts are losing roughly 1% per year to inflation. Wolframalpha says there are $6.792 trillion in savings accounts in the US. That computes to about $68 billion lost to inflation per year. That’s a pretty hefty number if viewed as a tax, or any other way.
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:45pmFactor in hyperinflation and see what number you come up with.
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NigelTufnel
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:47pmThat’s exactly right. I knew I came to The Blaze for a reason. Some intelligent thought. But straight up this Cypress tax is very non-discriminient don’t ya think. It’s pretty much like,….”hey whoever has any money left after the last 5 years of continuous recession….well we are taking between 6 and 10%. Why? Well the Union is uber-pissed that our government leaders lied about everything and tricked f’d the system. Now you gotta pay for our mistakes.
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barber2
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:37pmYeah. Those nasty ” rich who don’t pay their fair share” better hide your money in the mattress because Big Daddy Santa Government will be coming to town and visiting your bank. Why not since the banks pay such poor interest rates at present. ( That old Democrat ACORN Discrimination Card , which led to the housing crash, sure has had a ripple effect. Sounds like something evil genius George Soros master-minded ! Am sure there is profit in all of this for him.
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NoMoMrNiceGuy
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:37pmGod bless us all young and old Bob Crachette
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:36pmThis is a big story I am glad the blaze picked it up
keep in mind they tried this on a sunday and tomorow is a publicholiday there so banks still closed
NOW OBAMA
The uk has promised to helpout its millitary there
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Chancellor George Osborne said the UK would compensate any government employees and military personnel whose bank accounts were affected.
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Will american army there or embasy staff that try to cash their pay checks need help ?
Why has the US goverment stepped in like the UK goverment has ?
:)
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AMERICA4EVER
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:14pm@GYRO
If push came to shove, what’s to stop them from from grabbing 7 or 10% when you cash your payroll check. I think they would cover all the bases and they would eventually be screwed.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:32pmWill our government go this route? Absolutely if the opportunity presents itself to Obama, he will also use the chance to nationalize all banks, gold reserves and currencies along with all valuables he expects to get away with; and if anyone stands in his way…the drones.
Understand clearly – many have been looking for the inevitable chain reaction to begin the collapse of the EU-Titanic with one of the larger countries, and right now it appears Cyprus can be the triggering point for the EU, and for the world.
Something is about to give, and give way in force.
I wonder if we will not have a global collapse and war begin before summer hits.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:40pmyou nailed it again miss
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:43pmWhen the fed can no longer keep the bubble from bursting and the dollar collapses our dictator will seize all the silver and gold just like his worthless POS idol FDR did. It won’t make any difference though because there isn’t enough gold in fort Knox or private hands to have any impact at all.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:50pmprogressiveslayer — think it this way if you want to screw the country JUST SAY your going to do it and the streets fill with people burning the banks
THEN
who steps in to fix it all ?
dictator
It worked in South America why not USA
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NigelTufnel
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:56pmIt’s hard to fathom but that’s how it has gone down in Europe over the centuries. Something small sets off a Rhube-Gohldbergian chain of events. The fact that this will be an electronic overnight theft in a blink of an eye is mind-blowing. Here today….gone tomorrow. The electronic transfer of money has made modern economics the juggernaut that it is. This could change everything. What if everyone in the world decides to keep just half of their savings at home?
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:03pmGyro Sadly that’s exactly whats going to happen because the people won’t put up with disrupted internet service or non working ‘free’ O phones. Violence will ensue and they’ll beg the dictator to make it stop,anything to make it stop. Anything being the operative word here because making the violence stop will require that the constitution and bill of rights be burned completely. Since half the country has no knowledge of their constitutional rights they’ll gladly give up our rights to make them ‘feel’ safe and fed.
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:08pmNigell Whats the point in keeping half your savings when the dollar collapses? I’m not saying the dollar will collapse tomorrow morning but it will collapse in five years or less. Hyperinflation will finish off everyone’s savings and that’s why silver and gold makes sense. Remember ALL currencies throughout history have failed and we’re no different,it’s going to happen.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:12pmprogressiveslayer == YES
In canada it is called — The war measures act
It was used 1 time in the 70s if I remember right
everything everything is gone and the goverment rules with out parliment
the liberals in canada did it
Obama will do it
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drs1969
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:23pmRe: Prog
I agree, but $85 billion a month is just keeping the banks propped up. W/o it there’d be hyper deflation. It’ll take foreigners losing faith in Bernanke Bucks. This event may drive more money to the US, as a safe haven. Lower rates, still.
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AMERICA4EVER
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:24pm@PROGRESSIVESLAYER
Gold and silver will suffer inflation also. Remember the good book, “a pound of gold won’t buy a loaf of bread.” Only goods will have a value. The old barter system.
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high school drop out
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:31pmIf everyone there pulled all their money first thing Tuesday morning it would collapse the banks therefore ensuring that strategy would never be even considered again!… anywhere!
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Stelex
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:39pmSo lets do it here. A national pull your money day. It would open some eyes……….he, he, he.
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LEFT_NY_4_GOOD
Mar. 18, 2013 at 10:46pmthats why the banks are closed til thursday……………..
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OlefromMN
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:30pmAnd Obama is dancing in an empty White House (non of those pesky tourists anymore) with the knowledge he has yet another scapegoat to blame his ineptness on.
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msconstrue
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:21pmthis article is enough to scare the s hit out of ya……..you dont know if its an anomoly or something thats gonna keep spreading.
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:20pmHmmm the government seizing your money huh? it’s enough to arouse any Marxist POS into trying something as tyrannical as that.
After these funds are seized, the EU’s emergency lending facility and the International Monetary Fund, headed by Christine LaGarde, will drop €10 billion on keeping the banks in Cyprus running.
Translation,the world is broke and they’re engaging in a shell game,anything to stall the inevitable. Bernanke’s been monetizing for years now,something he said the fed would never do and it always ends badly when you monetize the debt.
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Stelex
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:29pm401K’s, there just drooling over them as we speak. So much money at there finger tips. Just waiting to be taking in the name of National Security. Why do you think the Market is doing so well, you want to fatten the turkey before Thanksgiving ……right??????
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:34pmIndeed, we are entering the end game and the great collapse will soon be at hand.
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progressiveslayer
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:38pmThe market is a mirage,it’s being artificially propped up to make people believe everything’s okay. Silver is up a bit but gold is up 16.00 right now. When these currencies begin to fail all over the world you’ll see precious metals spike and remain high throughout the depression. I’m not saying a global depression will result from this news but a global depression is imminent,probably within five years.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:39pmFirst thing in a revolution is control banking ?
OMGOSH banking bail outs that lead to fewer banks ?????
Who did that ????
Crap I realy should not type this
global recession
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Stelex
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:45pmKeep your money at home……deposit what you need to do online banking and whatnot. But keep your money on hand. Digital money will disapear in a day. With out warning. Shortly after that……..it won’t matter.
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gyro
Mar. 17, 2013 at 9:03pmStelex
Best post on the page
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Mil-Dot
Mar. 18, 2013 at 5:50amSlayer,
We all know what inevitable means. It means it will happen. It means that hemp rope will be selling like hotcakes. I know it, you know it and they know it. They are so desperate to kick the can down the road. But, the can has disintegrated from friction. It is not there anymore.
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Captain77
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:20pmThis isn’t a tax, this is theft!
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Stelex
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:27pmTax is theft. TAX is THEFT…….
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blomie
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:38pmAnd soon to be here in Amreika
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barber2
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:41pmJust more of that so-called ” redistribution ” which is also called theft when done by the government !
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Southernsoul
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:17pmAnd it started a run on ATM’s sort of like I said yesterday when I first saw the story. I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but how stupid do politicians have to be not to see the result of that one?
Wanna see a bunch of barefoot people? Try a Everyone Who Wears Shoes Has to Pay 10% Tax, tax
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:35pmOnly stupid enough to believe they know what they are doing, can avert the devastation they know is on the way, and to hold that the people who elected them will never learn the truth.
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Stelex
Mar. 17, 2013 at 7:16pmJust wait till all money is digital……….poooof. Gone. Sorry we needed your money. My god how they just keep making things worse by the day. Power on, I’d prefer sooner than later to get this over with.
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TJexcite
Mar. 17, 2013 at 8:23pmMoney is digital. That is why they are in the problem. If Money was a finite like gold they could not get in debt like they are. You can fill out a number on a Fed computer program and they have the “money” in the account within the hour. There is not a box full of Euros at the bank that someone will take 6% from they will have a computer program send a tax bill to everyone account and then the money is gone. The digital money is now in another account. They don’t print money in same sense as they did before they digitize the money and it is never just a number on an account statement.
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Stelex
Mar. 17, 2013 at 10:15pmI stand corrected….
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Walkabout
Mar. 18, 2013 at 1:45pmTJexcite & Stelex
I have problems with fiat money. With fiat money you have to print more from time to time. But how do you know how much & when to print? It can be easily abused.
But look at gold & silver. I have found that economic depression in both Eastern Islam (Khwarezm) some time between Ad 0800 & 1100 and in the Roman empire. I cannot find the link for Khwarezm.
Basically the story is this. The silver mines became exhausted and there was a depression in Khwarezm. Well that is stupid. Rome is no better. Not enough silver? No problem debase the coinage & get inflation.
My point is with metal or fiat, you get f_cked & f_cked hard. You need honest people in all financial transactions. In the long run I will take metal because it will hold its’ value better. But you cannot pay each & every transaction in it. You would become a target. If fiat money fails you need barter. You cannot really use gold or silver. It is just a store of value that you can recoup when times get more settled. Your economic security & protection against violence & economic depression is your local community (localism) when the freaking nat’l. eeites have wrecked the overall system.
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