What Did the Republican National Committee’s Own Report Reveal About Why Republicans Lost in 2012?

Chairman of the Republican National Committee Reince Priebus gavels the Republican National Convention open in Tampa, Fla., on Monday, Aug. 27, 2012. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
The findings of a new report commissioned by the Republican National Committee marks “a fresh beginning” for the GOP, said RNC Chairman Reince Priebus in a speech at the National Press Club Monday morning.
Priebus said the report, called the Growth and Opportunity Project report, shows there was “no one reason” Republicans lost big in the November election. “Our message was weak; our ground game was insufficient; we werenβt inclusive; we were behind in both data and digital; our primary and debate process needed improvement,” he said.
The Growth and Opportunity Project was established in December 2012 as a fact-finding commission to come up with a list of recommendations to build membership in the GOP. It identified five areas the party wants to improve: demographic outreach; campaign mechanics; field organization and state parties; messaging; primaries debates and conventions.
Among the 98-page report’s proposals were for the RNC to hire National Political Directors for minority voters, establish closer relationships with technology innovators, shorten the number of primary debates (there were 20 in the last Republican presidential primary) and move the party’s national convention up from August to either June or July.
The report was based on feedback from 50,000 people across the country. In his speech, Priebus said focus groups described the GOP as “narrow minded,” “out of touch” and “stuffy old men.”
“The perception that we’re the party of the rich continues to grow,” he said. “That’s frustrating because we care about every voter.”
Highlighting the fracture between old guard Republicans and insurgents, or “tea party” Republicans, Priebus said the GOP must become more inclusive. “Our 80 percent friend is not our 20 percent enemy,” he said. “We can be true to our platform without being disrespectful of those who donβt agree with it 100 percent. Finding common ground with voters will be a top priority.”
On media outreach, Priebus said pop culture news outlets, which President Barack Obama is widely regarded to have mastered, should be engaged by Republicans. “We have to stop divorcing ourselves from American culture,” he said. “And maybe that means I get to sit down with the ladies of The View.”
During the Q&A portion, Priebus said the party’s policy positions are “sound” but that “the ways that we communicate can be a real problem. We have to become a welcoming party.”
On whether conservative commentators like radio host Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter may damage the party’s outreach with voters skeptical of the GOP, Preibus said he’s “not in the business of throwing anyone under the bus.”
Both gay and women voters sided with Obama by significant margins in the last election. The report proposes that the RNC recruit more female conservatives to appear on television and in media. As for appealing to gay voters, Priebus said Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who recently announced his support for same-sex marriage, has made “inroads” on that front.
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LRC
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:21amObama couldn’t lose. He had all Latino, black, union, welfare and gay votes…some overlap I’m sure, but with all that, he couldn’t lose. Oh and don’t forget the white folk who want to say they are not bigots because they voted for Obama. It will continue.
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:34amHaving crappy candidates didn’t help us either.
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willingtoupe
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:38amNO because you all were Phucking racist!
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:44amGet over yourself, TOUPE.
We know who the racists are…
“You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent.” -Senator Joe Biden
βA handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom.β -Spike Lee referring to Clarence Thomas
βWhite folks was in caves while we was building empiresβ¦ We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek (gays) ever got around to it.β- Rev. Al Sharpton
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,…I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” – Joe Biden
“Obama is Electable Because he is Light Skinned with no ***** Dialect.” – Harry Reid
βHymietown.β – Jesse Jackson describing New York City
“Listen he’s a nice person, he’s very articulate” this is what’s been used against him, “but he couldn’t sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic.” -Dan Rather
“I’ll have those (n-words) voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon Johnson!
βA few years ago this guy would have been getting us coffee.β Bill Clinton
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:58amEAST. Don’t forget the Ron Paul Newsletters… lol.
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truthnstuff
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:07pmHA! Skrew you GOP. We lost because you pukes are as bad as the Dumbocraps and haven’t a clue abouit the constitution and freedom from Government. Most of us held our noses but knew Romney was marginally better than the fuehrer, even though he told us the fuehrer was such a nice guy.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:27pmIronically, the republican party nominated someone for president who was bishop in a church that said black people cannot serve during the same time as Ron Paul newsletter was publishing prejudice material. It would be hypocritical to say Ron Paul should be banished because of it when nobody asks Mitt Romney why he went along with a church policy that was overtly racist. Even the democrats have a senator who was a full-fledged member of the KKK.
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TEOTWASWKI
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:39pmI have an idea Republicans ………………………..lets bring in millions of new democrat voters maybe we could win then.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:43pmI KNOW SOY !! That’s what you guys were here for right? Show me pics where Romney was standing on a stage buddying-up with a KKK leader, extreme racist, and anti-semite like Ron Paul was after accepting his $$… and I’ll concede that point to you SOY.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:56pmDon Black donated $500 dollars to the Ron Paul Presidential campaign, Ron Paulβs campaign refused to give it back. Paul was photographed with Black and his son by David Dukeβs former assistant, Jamie Kelso who was an organizer for Ron Paul and the owner of white supremacist sites, WhiteNewsNow.com and TheWhiteRace.com and a moderator for Blackβs neo-Nazi website, Stormfront.
Black would become one of Paulβs most enthusiastic supporters and helped rally the white supremacist community around Paul, through Stormfront. Paul would praise another Operation Red Dog planner, David Duke in his newsletters and Duke would return the favor calling him βour kingβ and endorsing him for President.
This would not be the first time Paul was tied to White supremacists. In 80s, Paul claimed that the best source of his campaign donations came from a list from notorious neo-Nazi, Willis Cartoβs publication, The Spotlight. In the 90s, Paulβs newsletters were originally discovered from an online neo-Nazi directory. As recently as 2006, Paul was scheduled to appear on David Dukeβs white supremacist protΓ©gΓ©, James Edwardsβ radio show, βThe Political Cesspool.β
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AUsername
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:05pmGlenn Beck is wrong when he says the enemy of my enemy is not your friend. at the time they are and in the end they can be your friend, there is always something to unite people of difference together.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:19pmGood thing I am not ron paulβ¦.Actually time2, it would be therapeutic for you to accept that. Repeat after me:
Soybomb is not ron paul. Soybomb is not ron paul
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:36pmI need a sugar daddy, and don’t care if it’s a he or government, women are the problem. They have been since suffrage. Sandra Fluke is the poster child.
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Norm D. Plume
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:44pmI remember such an instance, in fact.
I recall Paul was asked, “Will you give back that money?”
Paul said, “No. Why should I do that, instead of using that guy’s money to do something GOOD for once?”
I liked that answer. You can’t blame Paul for the people who followed and contributed to him. But, you can respect the guy for taking something toxic and using it for the furtherance of good — it’s not like giving the money back would help anyone, but making them free surely would.
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The_Jerk
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:46pmI’m Reince Priebus and I was a terrible failure in the last election. So, allow me to be the RNC chairman again. I am absolutely sure that I can repeat.
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:48pmSOYBOMB is worse than Ron Paul…. he is Ron Paul with a skirt….
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:53pmLMAO…. Nice spin NORMAN, nice spin. Lame, but nice spin on behalf of racism and anti-semitism for the cause celeb.
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catty
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:10pmkeep thinking that…
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KevINtampa
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:22pm@AUSERNAME
So we should make friends with Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, see what happens in Syria, then the rest of the Middle East, then Europe, and then find out if we have common ground with them? Isn’t this what we did in Afghanistan under Reagan? How did that turn out?
I think you are misunderstanding the full context Beck was speaking in…
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:46pmToupe is a low-information voter. Anyone who votes for obama are racist in my book.
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mrkeys1962
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 3:00pmObama received less votes (if the latest information I had read was correct) than the previous election. So it’s not that Obama won by swaying more “voters” his way. It was two simple facts that Romney didn’t get the support needed to win. He’s Mormon and their was a whole block of Christian voters that would rather see this country go to hell for their children and ours than elect a Mormon, and the Romney camp completely disenfranchised the Ron Paul voters. What happened at the Republican convention with not seating all the Paul delegates was disgusting from what I saw. In addition, it would have been easy for Romney to have said there was a place for Ron Paul in his cabinet for some sort of financial position of some sort (to investigate the federal reserve amongst other things) if Romney were to win. He disregarded that voting block and to me…between those two powerful, large voting blocks he lost the election. Is it really any more complicated than that?
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Secret Squirrel
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 3:29pmThe operative words are “Why the RNC thought they lost”.
Not why they really lost.
They lost because they threw the conservatives under the bus
in favor of pandering to the “independants”.
So, they got the 2% independants, and lost the 40% conservatives.
Worse, yet, they won’t learn from it.
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txbren
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 4:22pmThey cheated with vote fraud. He did’nt win. He stole the presidency and had lots of help. Even the GOP refused to do anything about it. They just went right along with it.
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dmerwin
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 8:49pmThe party lost BECAUSE of the RNC. We need articulate conservative candidates. The establishment gets their panties in a wad because “those tea party folks” primary a conservative into the race. It will continue to happen we are TIRED of the go along to get along set, Graham, McCain, Snowe, Murkowski, and yes Boehner. Defend some conservative PRINCIPLES. Why would anyone vote Democrat-lite when they can elect the real thing. I am advocating fiscal conservatism and libertarianism with a national defense.
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stumpy68
Posted on March 19, 2013 at 7:09pmDont forget the dead and those that dont remember voting
and the voters that were so excited to vote for him that they voted 5-6 times
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DeVain
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:21amIronic how they said they needed to be more inclusive to gays, yet GOProud wasn’t allowed. In fact, their not being included made national news. Great job GOP, you’re off to a great start.
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Thundergod
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:17am$10 Million in outreach to minorities and gays? They seek to buy their votes? What ever happened to fiscal conservatism? They lost my vote.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:26amThese azz clowns are so frantic trying to move to the center to please the minority of people, that they shot right past center and planted their progressive flag in the land of liberals . Iβm not playing their game no longer.. IβM OUT..! You progressives republicans disgust me ,donβt look for my vote any time soon either..!
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kenboo1
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:28amthe states need to take back the Senate and make the state legislature elections have a greater importance. see http://www.repeal17.net to help figure out how we can take back control of our state and federal governments.
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Grover_Standpipe
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 4:28pmBuying votes? They need 10 million minority votes. There may be people who would sell their votes, but not for a dollar. Ten million dollars is just enough for normal tools of political persuasion like print and tv advertising.
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woodyee
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:17amStop your wishful thinking.
Priebus makes it very clear that the old guard isn’t backing down – they’re DOUBLING down –
1.βOur message was weak; our ground game was insufficient; we werenβt inclusive;
2. We can be true to our platform without being disrespectful of those who donβt agree with it 100 percent
3. βWe have to stop divorcing ourselves from American culture,β he said. βAnd maybe that means I get to sit down with the ladies of The View.β
4. We have to become a welcoming party.β
5. Both gay and women voters sided with Obama by significant margins in the last election
Priebus said Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who recently announced his support for same-sex marriage, has made βinroadsβ on that front.”
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ohiograndma
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:54amI get more conservative/libertarian every day. Imagine my astonishment when my sheltered, liberal son-in-law and I AGREED on many topics! He truly does not understand what Obama and the New Democrats are doing, and places blame for societal ills on the Republicans (who are not at all blameless here). On self-reliance issues we do not divide along party lines. Like my s-i-l and I, numbers of us are thinking about how to survive the coming poop storm, now barreling toward us unchecked. If Republicans can reach Americans along those lines of common denomination, we might have a chance of reclaiming our country. I remain hopeful. It’s my nature.
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woodyee
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:04pmAlways remain optimistic, Grandma, but also REALISTIC – the Repubs (Priebus) are talking about bedding down with Libs. They’re giving up trying to get libs to see our point of view, and instead are heading pell mell into ‘compromising’ THEIR views, to win favor from the left.
Obammy, Nov. 2014 – “Checkmate!”
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vennoye
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:34pmPeople in the GOP talking about “big tent” have absolutely no credibility WHEN they ridicule and demean the Libertarians who will vote with the conservatives on issues…….and are all warm and fuzzy about illegals who vote against conservatives 100 to 1!!
Immigration to me right now is a “red herring” by only talking about hispanics. There are many other people who should be considered like muslims that would also be brought in with those immigration policies. Is there absolutely nothing we can learn from England and Austrailia on the correlation of gun grabbing and losing their culture to the muslims’ culture of Islam instead of muslims intergrating into the culture of the host country??? How all politicians are embracing immigration..when we don’t know if we are talking about 11 million or 20 million and we don’t know what percentage are from what countries. Are our politicans really that stupid, or do they think we are??
If the GOP wants to continue to even have a party, they need to find some principles that appear different from the Democrats and live with them.
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woodyee
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:13pmThat’s right VenNoye, and they don’t need to go back any further than to the Hon. Ronald Reagan.
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carbonyes
Posted on March 27, 2013 at 12:11pmPsst. Senator Portman will not win re-election!
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spirited
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:13amPriebus forget to mention two little facts:
1. race
2. lies
Priebus missed a hugh opportunity to really make ‘news’ –and be heard.
~>Politeness, caution and silence made conservatives seem guilty of the accusations.
Controversy has been the main vehicle the Obama-party used (uses).
Romney
and the entire GOP,
the Tea Party
and Liberatarians
should have gone gang-busting;
calling out
each blatant lie
and
every implied accusation.
The leftists
constantly interrupted,
twisted and/or spun facts,
falsely accused,
didn’t answer questions,
took-over conversations,
talked louder (literaly) and exclaimed, “Excuse me!” or “Let me finish!”
>They were excused and they did finish first.
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sparky239
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:07amSarah Pahlin said it best at the CPAC confrence….
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cgent47
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:07amObama phones, section 8 housing, free energy, EBT cards, food stamps, Obamacare. I think that about sums it up. One more thing. Romney is a Morman. Robert Jeffress told a syndicated radio host that GOP candidate Mitt Romney is part of the βcultβ of Mormonism.
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catty
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:17pmYou mean Reagan phones don’t you?
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Stoic one
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:05amHow about a platform like this:
The Declaration of Independence
The Constitution
The Bill of Rights
Explained in common sense English. These principles resonate with all people around the world, but for some reason have lost their appeal here.
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spirited
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:17amCan ya say, Ron Paul?
>Many of his supporters stayed home; and he didn’t advise them to do otherwise.
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Norm D. Plume
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:47pmWhy should Paul have instructed those who believe in liberty to do other than what they chose to do?
It’s not like Romney would have been any different, more conservative, less in the pockets of the bankers, and so forth.
We got four more years, instead of eight. That’s not a bad trade-off.
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LukeAppling
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:02amThe democrats pick up one small group after another until they have so many small groups, who may not like one another, they have the majority or near majority and with a few well-thought out rigged polls or communities VOILΓ, another win. It is very much like the budget a dollar here, a dollar there, an earmark here an earmark there, a Foreign aid dollar here, a foreign aid dollar there, a Green scam campaign contribution here a green scam contribution there and voilΓ you have the democrats in a nutshell[and that is apropos ].
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Chromo200
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:00amThey still are not going to get my money. The GOP lost because people like McCain and Graham are willing to call it’s upcoming stars names. The GOP is unwilling to support people that don’t meet the RINO’s philosophy. Look who is running the GOP now .. Karl Rove.
I was opposed to a third party but I think I will side with one this time.
In addition I guess I have to give up my ideals to meet the present culture of millions of abortions, gay marriage, socialism, income redistribution, open borders, and high taxes.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:05amDon’t forget Romney… the redistributionist, big government buffoon.
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AlthenArtren
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:56amHow about too much damn compromise with the enemy, YES I SAID IT, THE ENEMY!!!
There should have been a line drawn in steel that said, we don’t cross here, go stuff
yourself El Presidente.
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charper1013
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:25amYour “compromise is the devil” attitude you share with many members of Congress is exactly why many hardworking civilian employees of the military base near my house are going to be either losing their jobs or taking huge pay cuts due to sequestration.
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Norm D. Plume
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:49pmThat line is already drawn. In Ink. It begins, “We the People…”
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13th Imam
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:55amSo that report states that gays and women are ( not all) terminally stupid?
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Wyld_goose
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:54amI never casted a vote for Ron Paul nor did I want to see him as president, but what they did to him at the RNC is exactly what is wrong with the Republican party. Let’s not forget the Republican establishment hated Ronald Reagan too. The hierarchy of the country club Republicans are exactly the same as the liberal Democrats, in that it’s not about the will of the people or what is best for the country, but rather what will keep them in office.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:03amI’m a Ron Paul guy and I wish more non-Ron Paul guys could think like you.
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RodT82721
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:53amI wonder how much the RNC spent to find out why they lost the election? I would have told them for free – not enough of the Republican votes were counted. We will never know if enough we cast.
This problem that Republicans are thought of being narrow-minded, haters, just might have come from the leftβs constant hate campaign being waged in the media and Hollywood, 24/7, 365, it never ends.
The left ridicules any Republican that manages to get noticed, while the Republicans are afraid to even call our dear leader a liar, when he is lying through his teeth.
The progressives started their smear campaign after the 2000 election, and they hammered GW Bush with lies for 8 years, without any answers.
With unemployment under 5% the media was screaming recession, with unemployment at 14%+ now, not a peep out of the same media.
The establishment Republicans in Washington will never be able to out freebie the left, so no sense trying.
Stick with conservatism, it has worked every time it was tried.
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Wyld_goose
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:57amyup
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:53am.
The PC White Obama Voting Morons & the Free Lunch Slaves voted for Obama. Don’t think you need a study to figure that out…..
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Captain77
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:51amHow about due to the blatent corruption that was demonstrated at the Republican National Convention where the grassroots were shot down and completely disenfranchised. How about nominating a progressive republican as presidential candidate instead of a real fiscal constitutional conservative. I could go on, but needless to say, I am done with the republican party.
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Dushman Kush
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:51amThe “Republican” party sold out the Republic to which so many Americans refer. The “Republicans” can forget ever regaining the White House. Long Live Soviet Amerika !!! Long Live the Democratic Party, the party of the People.
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stumpygrim
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:02amencinom aka doucheman,thats the best you can come up with today moron? F-n idiot…
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:04amThat statement does not bode well with many considering that a variety of polls over the past few years reveals that only 21% to 24% of the nation’s population consider themselves as actual liberals. While some 45% to 47% do consider themselves as conservatives. It is your side that has to rely heavily on undecided voter being swayed by the left wing propaganda unit, better known as the media. You do seem to illustrate your age because I have seen the presidency and congress bounce back and forth all of my life. With one exception where the Dems had the congress in a tight grip for just over forty years. That time frame was referred to as path to destruction for the Republicans. What you just said was said by so many when Clinton was elected. But, obviously you want the Real Red Party. Keep praying for that….or in your case, that should be preying.
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TheCalvinistPastor
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:48amI do not think you need to sacrifice your values to be “inclusive” This is exactly what the GOP thinks it needs to do.
The entire point of LIbertarian Philosophy is the accomidate groups of people who do not have the same religious viewpoint? And how is that done? do we change a state mandate or law [as the republicans or democrats do?] no we get the government out of the bedroom!
Marriage no longer becomes a state issue, it becomes a church issue which is seperate from the state. both GOP and Democrats think in such a two dimensional way, when it does not have to be that way.
I agree that the moral fabric of this country is fallin apart. I dont agree with the moral direction of this country. but I am sorry, no POLITICAL system is going to change that. we need to stop pretending it can. Political action only conforms the outside, not the inside. If the Christian Right wants to change a culture we need to start with the heart of a man, not through government.
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iluv2bfree
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:46amHe forgot the main reasons Romney lost. Establishment candidate that did not inspire the base, or anyone else. Did not attack Obama or his record. That could have been done thoroughly by just sound bites of Obama.
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PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:54amI agree with you wholeheartedly. Give us a real conservative and see what happens.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:09amPILGRIMSTUCKINBIZARROWORLD, As much as I would like to agree with you. Should a real conservative be revealed, the David Axelholes of the Left will leave no stone unturned in their search for someone willing to tell lies for payoffs. Funny how one woman who complained about Herman Cain was not only David Axelhole’s neighbor in his building. She was broke and going into bankruptcy, then suddenly became financially fluid.
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truthnstuff
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:19pmRJJ, you have a point, but pilgrim is right. If Herman Cain had fought back, like he was in a street fight, go hard conservative, and not go on defense he could have prevailed. I was for Cain, but they way he responded I was also wondering if he was guilty. If he was guilty, he should have said, “of course I did it and I’m proud of it”. He might have gotten a lot of the Democrap vote.
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:44amI will support the politicians that keep their morals and ethics. To many change to satisfy all groups and not keeping with what God would approve. Evil will be defeated by goodness and truth will overcome lies and if those not the goals of politicians then they are of no use to us taxpayers and voters.
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moneyplays
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:44amWell when you have 99% of the Television Media running your party and candidates into the ground, along with 70% of the teachers in the public school systems teaching kids that liberal progressivism is the THE way…..it’s no wonder most folks abandon common sense and math and run to the D party.
The answer is NOT be become more like the D party. The answer is to be principled and add venues to the television media. The answer is tax vouchers to give kids opportunities to get out of the public schools.
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charper1013
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:43amThe GOP lost because they’re catering to the way far right too much when it comes to social issues. The GOP is supposed to be the party of small government, they shouldn’t even be concerning themselves with things like abortion and gay marriage. We should be worried about the national debt and out of control spending. Social issues are really bringing Republicans down. What party do I vote for if I’m a fiscal conservative who thinks the choice of whether or not to have an abortion should be up to the woman? Who do I vote for if I care about the national debt but don’t care if two dudes want to get married and have a family? What if I’m an atheist who doesn’t like big government regulating business, but also doesn’t like hardcore Christians pushing their religion on me? What party am I supposed to vote for?
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moneyplays
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:45amI couldn’t DISAGREE more. I will NEVER vote for a PRO Choice candidate. It is the issue.
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Wyld_goose
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:49amHow ironic ! Bending over backwards to get your vote has been the destruction of the Republican party.
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stumpygrim
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:07amCatering to the far right on social issues? Wtf are you talking about? You are another reason true constitutional conservatives cant get into office,and libertarians are a joke,they all believe in their own form of govt,each one with a different agenda!
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charper1013
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:08amThe GOP is losing A LOT of young people because they won’t get with the times. Young people like me would like to vote for a party that creates jobs for us and supports the economy and controls spending, BUT we also think it’s very important that gay people have marriage rights and non-discrimination rights, that freedom FROM religion is protected the same as freedom OF religion, and women get equal pay and reproductive freedom (note I said “access to”, not FREE). Just to clarify, I don’t support abortion and would never have one, but I don’t want the government telling other women they don’t get to choose for themselves.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:17am@ Charper… Vote Libertarian.
@ Moneyplays… You are no small government conservative. Why should the FEDERAL government have anything to do with birth or marriage? You should be voting for pro-life politicians on the state level. You should be voting for someone who doesn’t want to get involved on the federal level.
Also, most people in the country don’t want to be overseas bombing civilians. The GOP (and most notably the hardcore Christians, ironically) are know for pushing us into unwarranted wars. They would do well to end the wars, bring the troops home, stop subsidizing German and Japanese defense, and concentrate on strengthening DEFENSE at home.
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Locked
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:24am@Charper
I pretty much agree with your post, though I’m a Christian and not pro-gay marriage. There are two stark sides within the GOP: the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives.
The fiscal conservatives are the ones who are pro-Constitution and pro-limited government… and of the mind that if it neither harms us or costs us anything, then it’s not the government’s place to legislate on it. This group offers a true viable alternative option: a focus on small government and the economy.
The social conservatives are folks like most of those who responded to your post. They’re the “Pepsi” to the Democrats’ “Coke:” really just different branding of the same product. Much like the Democrats, they see government as a vehicle to enforce their own social policies. Oh sure, if those policies line up with a small government or following the Constitution, that’s great… but that’s not the goal. The goal is to use big government to force people to behave “the right way.”
I’ve seen some signs that Constitutionalists are gaining some ground, but most of the establishment GOP that’s still in power caters to the social conservatives: because it’s easier to spend money than save it, and arguing morality is more appealing to the general public than arguing Constitutionality.
It’s not only young folks (or libertarians) hoping we ditch legislating morality and get back to the Constitution.
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spirited
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:26am@STUMPY
;^> Need anything more be said?
Intellegence and sincerity are GRIM.
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Simonne
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:27amCouldn’t have said it better. Leave the social issues alone. I do thing the report has it right. One thing for sure, we do have to be more inclusive. The dems have it all over the Republicans when it comes to social networking & their internal reports were so wrong. A far right nominee would have done far worse than Romney in the election. I do think he would have been such a good president but I do fault him by not responding firmly to the accusations thrown at him. Obama did everything to win & didn’t mind getting dirty but Romney just couldn’t go there. Just a classy & graceful man.
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:42amLOCKED wrote…. “There are two stark sides within the GOP: the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives.”
Put the two together and you have a “well-rounded” Conservative. Well-rounded Conservatives have no use for the “hedonism” that Thrifty-Liberals (Liberal-tarians) carry with them like a badge of honor while using words freedom and liberty as a red herring.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:20pm@Time2end… Is your real name Ann Coulter?
Pushing your version of morality on another person is tyranny. It is coercion, and thus it is immoral. Libertarians don’t pander to either party – our views are based on law and reason. You and McCain pander to the religious right – your views are based on the number of hard-core Christians who don’t care about law and reason, but rather forcing others to live their lives according to what you deem to be “moral”. You throw out a term like “liberal-tarian” and think yourself clever, when you in fact have no clue about libertarian philosophy.
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:35pmGILBERT. As the Apostle Paul so rightly warned, βin the last days perilous times shall come. For men will be lovers of their own selves β¦ lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of Godβ (2 Timothy 3:1-4).
Pretty good description of where we are at today with Liberlas and Liberal-tarians.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:55pmTime2end… Thank you for providing more evidence that you do not understand libertarian philosophy. Thank you for also establishing that you do not understand the teachings of the Bible.
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AUsername
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:03pmillogical so focus on illegal occupations on the middle east over the people of this country, therefore neo cons are the absolute worst choice for president.
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:04pmGILBERT. Lmao…. that’s all I have for you in return. Stick with me kid, I’ll teach you a thing or two about a thing or two. I never seen a Libertarian who was able to admit the Liberal failings of his ideology.
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:12pmAUSER wrote… “illogical so focus on illegal occupations on the middle east over the people of this country, therefore neo cons [Jews] are the absolute worst choice for president.
There was a Jew [neo-con] running for POTUS?
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Locked
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:19pm@Time_To_End
“Put the two together and you have a βwell-roundedβ Conservative.”
That would be me: socially conservative in my own life, and Constitutionally-minded when it comes to my political votes. However, you cannot hold both political viewpoints; a social conservative puts legislating morality first; a fiscal conservative puts the Constitution first. That’s why when establishment GOPers pay lip service to small government and sticking to the Constitution, it’s just that: lip service.
“Well-rounded Conservatives have no use for the βhedonismβ that Thrifty-Liberals (Liberal-tarians) carry with them like a badge of honor while using words freedom and liberty as a red herring.”
See? You have no use for the Constitution because that’s not your focus. I don’t know any libertarians who are advocating “hedonism;” most seem to say, correctly, that it’s not the government’s place to legislate morality. Let’s put it this way: if something is truly “bad,” then it will have “bad” outcomes, right? So why do you need the government to enforce penalties – left to their own devices, the ne’er-do-wells will naturally weed themselves out of society.
Pun on “weed” not intended.
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Norm D. Plume
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:23pm@Time:
You’re an idiot. Nobody except YOU conflates “neocon” with “Jew”. This sounds like a personal problem you should deal with. Perhaps you should seek some counseling. I think TechEngineer might be able to talk you down from your hatred. Heh.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:44pmTime2end… “I never seen a Libertarian who was able to admit the Liberal failings of his ideology.”
Your illogic knows no bounds. I almost want to keep this discussion going just to see how far you will go in establishing your ignorance. Please make some more comments on Bible passages, libertarianism, and neo-cons. Maybe throw in some Islamophobic rants and praise of killing brown civilians overseas?
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:09pmI’ll leave you with this ladies. If you seek answe
Liberals tend to set up equality as the highest good. Equality is the end goal of most Liberal policy. The Conservative asks, “Why does that idea become valued over all others?” Equality is certainly good, but as a highest end and goal, it can lead to devastating consequences.
Likewise, the pure Libertarian (as opposed to those of us who have some Libertarian leanings) sets up liberty as the highest good. Liberty is the end goal of all policy. The Conservative looks to the Libertarian and asks, “Why does that idea become valued over all others?” Liberty is obviously a great good, but as the highest end goal, it can also lead to devastating consequences.
The Conservative argues that the greatest instructor on what laws should exist in a civil society is human experience. So, it would seem Libertarianism hits its own walls when it ventures out of its world of make-believe theories and steps into the world of reality.
Alternatively, traditional / social Conservatives believe the rise and success of Western society was not merely a lucky accident, but rather the product of diligent work, trial and error, and human experience… and in may ways the result of Christian civilization.
As such, we “well-rounded” Conservatives argue that preserving a strong moral order (an order that took shape over millennia) is vitally important to a functioning society and econimic system.
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:33pmI cut myself off when I got right into the meat of it ladies.
Like I was going to say. There are pages and pages of Blaze topics and comments where you will find the answers you seek by your’s truly. I suggest you occupy your time researching the archives so I don’t have to keep repeating myself.
G’day… next topic….
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Locked
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 3:13pm@Time_To_End
Nothing you said contradicting what I said: your focus is not the on adhering to the Constitution, nor limiting government spending. It’s to enforce your own beliefs through government action. While I may likely agree with many of your beliefs, the key difference is that I don’t believe the government has the authority to force people to believe like we do. If they are truly “good” beliefs, then they will succeed while “bad” beliefs fail.
The one who enforces his vision of morality or religion through the government is not a Constitutionalist and is more closely related to a theocrat than a conservative.
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GilbertAcct
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 4:00pmTime… “As such, we βwell-roundedβ Conservatives argue that preserving a strong moral order (an order that took shape over millennia) is vitally important to a functioning society and econimic system.”
Yes, and by “strong moral order” you mean controlling people’s private affairs, murdering civilians of other countries, and giving government unlimited power to spy on, frisk, and detain innocent civilians in the name of protection. Some “strong moral order” that is.
You refer to this mysterious thing called “human experience” and claim that this is what founded your “moral code”. This is all fairy tale stuff. Read “Man, Economy, and State” and “Human Action” if you want to find out about the “human experience”.
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Moozmom
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:41amHow about inbred corruption?
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:35amWell if you want to not alienate so many people, step one is to not piss of the people who are to the right of you. Step two is to undo the corruption and evil that you just did (http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/dean-clancy/romneys-rnc-power-grab-what-happened)
I donβt see the RNC as reformed in any way. They are just wanting to increase numbers and election results β which is not the same as a βcome to jesus momentβ
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:45amSOY, interesting with those first two lines. I have been telling you the same thing every time that you get flustered with the fact that I do not see things the way you want.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:57am@RJ
No, what you tell me is how I am on drugs and a low life. You routinely call me names and cast ridiculous dispersions. Because of this, I have almost no respect for anything you say
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:11amSOY, That is only when I get tired of your continuing rants at me. I never set out to attack you for no reason. You have always made the first punch. I just don’t and will never roll over after such.
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stumpygrim
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:12amsoyshit aka encinom.
RJ only speaks the truth about you boy,you are nothing but a useless tool for either media matters or huffpo,who most of the time on here is so stoned you can barely log on to one of your many alias’. So how about getting out of moms basement, and putting that middle school education to good use,and get a job,then come back and talk intellengently,maybe then RJ, and others, MIGHT show a bit of respect to you.I wont hold my breath that will happen, f-n moron….
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Zipit
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:14amWell SOY! The majority of the time, you pop open your laptop and proceed to lecture almost every person tha visits this site about something! And it all makes its way back to Ron Paul, your libertarian ideology, and how stupid we all are for not agreeing with and thinking just like you!
You deserve most of the dispersions cast your way! Ya low life druggie!!!! Bwa!
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:16amSOY. you set yourself up for such comments by a “reasonable RJJ and others.”
I am FAR MORE unreasonable than RJJ could ever be when it comes to you your twin sister JUSTANGRY and the rest of the insurgent Democrat / Obama enablers from the former Ron Paul /Alex Jones nut Brigade who were an anchor around the necks of the Republican Party for far too long. Be gone you Conservative imposters…. be gone to the Libertarian Party and make your own bones.
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:39amTIME2..
In one breath you’ll blame Libertarians voting for Johnson for Obama’s re-election and in the next breath tell them they are not needed or welcome.
Which is it?
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 11:57amINFECTION. There weren’t enough of you Johnson or even Goode voters to make any difference in the grand scheme of things.
And yes….now that Ron Paul has ridden off into the sunset… we may see a more reasonable Libertarian emerge to compliment the Republican Party. Conservatives working together as a team… not the garbage that attached themselves to Paul’s never ending campaign of unreasonable narcissistic endeavor because they believed there was an “I” in the word “Team.”
Maybe Rand Paul will have the common sense to drop the worst parts of Libertarianism and rise to the occasion eh? He sure showed himself to be a team player….
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:09pmINFECTION. Also, when I write “reasonable Libertarians” I’m not talking about the politicians as much as I am it’s (Libertarianism’s) adherents…
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:11pmYup, this is a good microcosm of the schizophrenic RNCβ¦.. Condemn someone who relays information and then wonder why they wont support their puppets
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Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:28pmSOY. You’d be better off… and more welcome at the HuffPo with your bad self. You can continue to sell them on your ideas of how to keep them in power like the rest of Ron Paul’s / Mary Johnson’s vote-splitting, RNC bad-mouthing insurgents from ’07 forward.
You like that word “FORWARD” don’t'cha? Admit it Lib enabler.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 12:33pmSOY, if anybody here is exceptional at condemning a person or idea, it has been you. So many of your posted rants open with such a condemnation. Try making sense sometimes by expressing your thoughts rather than just your passion. You’ll likely find more of us to be far more respectful of you, and possibly in agreement with you at times.
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AUsername
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:10pmas they say support efforts to destroy their causes and one big one has a possibility of happening and we better hope it does than we can celebrate the person and nation as a hero to our own country.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:17pmThatβs funny RJ, the only people who complain about my posts not making sense are the rinoβs amongst usβ¦.everyone else is on board
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Norm D. Plume
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:20pm@Soy:
It’s only “reasonable” if you agree with these nattering Conservocrats.
Just don’t support Republicans or Democrats, and you’re on the right side of history.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 1:59pmKeep fooling yourself that way SOY, just keep fooling yourself.
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circleDwagons
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 2:10pmSoy! Keep up the good work :) I find it humerous that you are attacked for posting the obvious. We where to blindly vote for romney and others while they insulted us.
As far as inclusion, GOP should start with ALL Americans and the Constitution
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oldguy49
Posted on March 18, 2013 at 10:31amyep…..when you talk like a democrat and want amnesty you are not going to win elections
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