It’s not often that prominent atheists shower words of praise upon Jesus Christ and the Bible, but author Philip Pullman, 66, a non-believer who penned the “His Dark Materials” trilogy, is heralding Christianity’s central figure as a storytelling “genius” whom children can learn a great deal from.
This is particularly surprising, because Pullman is active in the atheist movement. As The Christian Post reports, he’s an honorary associate of the National Secular Society and he supports the British Humanist Association. Both groups, of course, are committed to the spread and sustainability of non-belief.

Author Philip Pullman (Credit: AP)
And the author has other intense ties to anti-religious efforts.
As Snopes notes, “The Golden Compass” feature film that came out in 2007 was based upon Pullman’s “His Dark Materials” series — books with anti-religious themes. In a 2001 interview with the Washington Post, Pullman admitted that he was using his work to “undermine the basis of Christian belief.”
The Australian reports that he also wrote a novel called “The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ” (based on the title, you can likely tell it was a contentious book).
That’s why Pullman’s comments as presented in The Australian are so captivating. While speaking at the Oxford Literary Festival, he seemed to paint a very different picture from past claims against the Christian faith. In addition to praising Jesus, he talked about the importance of children learning the stories present in the Bible.
“Jesus was a great storyteller,” he said, according to the outlet. “To invent the story about the Good Samaritan, you hear it once, you never forget it, you tell it to somebody else and it still has the same effect.”
Of course, Pullman isn’t defending Jesus’ teachings as truth and, as an atheist, he certainly doesn’t believe the theological ideals present in the holy book. That said, he told reporters (speaking about Jesus) that, “The man was a genius of storytelling, if nothing else.”
The author also noted his belief that it is “very important” for children to have familiarity with classic folk tales, Greek mythology and the Bible.
So, while he may have some disdain for the Christian faith, it seems he at least admires Jesus’ story-telling skills and believes that the Bible has some potential to help in youths’ learning process.
(H/T: Christian Post)
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Hotaman
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:16pmChaos theory is proving that there is no randomness in natural systems (look it up yourself)
That ‘discovery’ negates the theory of evolution which is based on natural systems being random.
The physics community is changing because the speed of light is not constant and the equations are reversible. That new revelation is changing almost everything and invalidating many standing theories.
As we learn more, the bible becomes more valid with each new discovery. I’m not religious, but I do believe the bible and I do believe there is a creator. With no randomness and the laws of entropy and irreducible complexity, there is no place to go but to a creator. Maybe it was from outer space, maybe it is what is called god? All I know is that what or who ever created this amazing digital simulation we live in is way more powerful than we are and maybe we should take note of the clues we have to work with. (Ref current quantum theory if you don’t think this this is a digital universe)
The Koran can be summarily dismissed as complete BS based on current scientific evidence, the bible continues to be supported by that same evidence and can be scientifically demonstrated as originating from outside our reality (there are 10 dimensions in our universe, we only perceive 4 of them)
The only thing that keeps us from knowing the truth, is our presupposition that we already know it.
Don’t believe me, educate yourself!
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Grubmeister
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:47pm@Hotaman,
You’re missing something here. The mutation is random. The selection is not. Those two things combined make your comments moot.
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JRook
Mar. 19, 2013 at 4:24pm“As we learn more, the bible becomes more valid with each new discovery” Well given the background of 10 religious figures who predated Christ. I’d say he and his promoters are extremely good at story telling. How’s about you educate yourself,
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/
Since the predate him, I doubt that the similarities are random.
Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:16pmLet me tell a story: In Jerusalem one beautiful day, a narcissistic, semi- intellectual, pick pocket, came upon a small group of people, enthralled as Jesus was relating parables about God’s love for the Jews, and what it takes to find eternal life. The pickpocket hung around for a short while and left….as soon as he saw that none in group had pockets.
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glassaudioguy
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:28pm@JROOK- those similarities were unknown before the second century, therefore the pagans/gnostics copied the Christians, not the other way around.
Don
Mar. 19, 2013 at 11:20pmHot did you notice that the atheists did not respond to WHAT you said? LOL Grubby did mange to get some jargon about mutations out of his mouth. Something they ALL know is theoretical conjecture. Silly suppositions to hide their fear behind that we may actually be right lol. Any mutation that happens in man by accident or otherwise has ALWAYS been due to MISSING DNA within the human circuit. Anyways man good job on the post. Peace.
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Witness1974
Mar. 20, 2013 at 3:53amHotaman: I appreciate your comments here. You have piqued my interest. Can you point me toward a couple of resources?
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ihasa
Mar. 20, 2013 at 6:46amA common argument against biological evolution is that the theory contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. The second law says that disorder, or entropy, always increases or stays the same over time. How then can evolution produce more complex life forms over time? The answer is that the second law is only valid in closed systems with no external sources of energy. Since the Earth receives continual energy from the Sun, the second law does not apply.
It doesn’t matter how often these arguments are made to Creationists. They just ignore the truth and keep repeating the lies they get from their unscientific ‘intelligent design’ websites.
Suffice it to say that anyone who continues to make the Creationist argument against evolution is either a liar or wilfully ignorant. They are outside of the positions of the scientific establishment AND all the major churches.
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hillbillyinny
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:10pmJesus was and IS a master storyteller. Not only the stories that “children can learn” from. But these same stories and other of Jesus’ sayings that are so much more than “stories,” rather they are life giving information for all eternity!
The Bible, the greatest stories ever told, but they’re so much more far reaching. . .
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spirited
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:34pmGRUBMEISTER
Fire in the hole!
;^>”Oh God !”
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Grubmeister
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:43pm@Spirited,
I have to admit that’s kind of funny. I’ve considered that scenario in the past though. I’ts kind of like me hitting my thumb with the hammer and instinctively screaming “god dammit!!!” Just howling out is not really proof of what a person believes. It’s surprising how ingrained that sfuff becomes as we grow up.
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spirited
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:51pmBlasphemy is interesting.
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Grubmeister
Mar. 19, 2013 at 4:53pm@Spirited
Those of us who are atheist do not believe it is possible to blaspheme. Probably about as useful as shaking our fists at the weather.
I’ll grant you one thing, some atheists do spend time trying to tweak your nose for fun. I think that’s juvenile.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:36pmSPIRITED said” Blasphemy is interesting.”
Yeah, like watching somebody slit their wrists.
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Witness1974
Mar. 20, 2013 at 1:56amGrubmeister: It doesn’t really matter what the blasphemer thinks; it’s what the Blasphemee thinks that is important.
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Sargeking
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:46pmIn the army I never saw an atheist inside a foxhole under fire. LOL!
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LeftOfRightOfLeft
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:06pm@SARGEKING:
Good point. I know my judgement is always best when my life is endangered. You might want to check some of the dog tags of your fellow soldiers. There are plenty of atheists in the military. Proud to serve their country and sacrifice the only thing in their view they have, their life. Please don’t disrespect the sacrifices of these soldiers by saying something as ignorant as ‘There are no atheists in fox holes’.
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Grubmeister
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:09pmIs that to say one of the following?
1) You were never in a foxhole
2) You were never in a foxhole under fire?
3) You should have been classified as 4F?
4) While in a foxhole, and under fire, you were preoccupied to the point where discussing the beliefs of your fellow soldiers was back-burnered?
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SovereignSoul
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:45pmI’ve witnessed many men cursing God while under fire, although, technically speaking, I guess if they are cursing God they must not be atheists, so…I guess you must be right.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:55pmLEFTRIGHTLEFT….Your thinking must be very clear these days, eh?
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ihasa
Mar. 20, 2013 at 6:57amInteresting.
This survey reports that 21% of military are atheist/no religion and 11% refused/other, compared to 19% atheist and 3% refused/other in the general population.
http://www.prb.org/Source/ACF1396.pdf?page=27
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RaydocX
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:18pmbut wait, just yesterday the atheist line was that the bible was an amalgam of stories told by people pretending to be the ascribed authors, and so was a forgery, which could not be taken at face value…
so now, when it suits their interpretation Jesus is a master storyteller, and can be of benefit to kids?
It is sad how many refuse to embrace even the chance of a higher power, denying faith, and then railing at those who embrace faith whether out of their own fear or ego and arrogance believing they alone can be right.
The faithful who insist on literal biblical assessment, who refute plain scientific findings that can be reproduced and proven hurt the cause of religion, but they, too, are entitled to their opinions…
thinking atheists and thinking believers can find common ground… science and belief can coexist. Arguing otherwise is a waste of time and effort.
so to those who deny that, great… glad you have a position. and i won’t try to force my belief on you… but please respect me as well, and do not pretend to have the only answers or insist that my belief is impossible or wrong.
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kegbuna
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:50pmI would say with 100% confidence that the God as written in any of the holy texts is not real. That’s not to say that there is not a higher power, but those books were made by men coming up with a story to convince people. There are some good elements, though, and I think the “commandments” likely came out of a realization that society needs to be run in an orderly and respectful fashion. However, a being of infinite power, intelligence, and knowledge does not conduct tests, get angry, or even remotely recognize the concept of “sacrifice”. It merely does.
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Witness1974
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:36pmKegbuna: I think you better read the text again. I’ve read more than a few books and none comes close to the thematic consistency from beginning and end that the Bible displays. The complexity of characters and the insight into their motives and their importance as types that come to fruition in the New Testament are unparalleled. As for your assessment of God, wouldn’t you have to be in a place superior to Him in order to prescribe what He must or must not do? The only way we can know God and expect anything of Him is to go to the source and read what He has to say about Himself. In scripture He reveals Himself.
Here is a passage from a book I was reading just last night that I think you might find germain: “Had God wrote in a loftiness of style suitable to the greatness of his majesty, his writing had been as little understood by us, as the brightness of his glory can be beheld by us. But he draws phrases from our affairs to express his mind to us! He incarnates himself in his word to our minds. . . . He ascribes to himself eyes, ears, hands, that we might have, from the consideration of ourselves and the whole human nature, a conception of his perfections; he assumes to himself the members of our bodies to direct our understandings in the knowledge of his Deity. This is goodness!
With respect to the article, Christ was not a story teller; He was a truth teller. He claimed to be God incarnate. This is an old trick the writer uses–Damn Him with faint p
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Witness1974
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:54pmpraise.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:33pmyour statement said less about the veracity of said ‘books’ than it does about your own spiritual and intellectual condition.
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ModerationIsBest
Mar. 20, 2013 at 1:54am@Ray
You described it as it is common wisdom today.
They are supposed hearsay accounts from followers of the supposed writers. There may be fragments of truth in, that have likely become a legend.
It’s how a regional flood, can become a world flood, where 2 of every species was put on a boat with a single family and then that family repopulated the Earth. The current day literal reading of Noah and the Ark is NONSENSE and anybody who takes a literal interpretation of that is either mentally deficient or hasn’t properly examined their interpretation of the Bible and their faith.
Just because something that is filled with half truths and highly mythical proportions, doesn’t mean there can’t be SOME good found somewhere.
For instance, I find the story of the poor woman who put her last two coins in the donation tray interesting and insightful, but I think the idea on the Bible as a whole disgusting and will never get over the fact that your supposed all loving all knowing God, created a system where he would design his creation to fail, and that creation would then be forced to accept a human sacrifice on their behalf, or face an eternal torture on an eternal plane of existence. Whether or not it’s true is irrelevant, even if it was I wouldn’t call that moral and wouldn’t worship anything that created such a system.
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Witness1974
Mar. 20, 2013 at 3:52amModerationisbest: You really said a mouthful here. You go on and on as if you are concerned about truth only to confess in your last sentence that you don’t care about truth at all. Judging from your rant(s) I think you do, in fact, believe in God; you just hate Him because He didn’t do things your way. What would that way be? Can you describe how you would have made the universe? I don’t want to hear any more about how you wouldn’t do it. I want to hear how you would do it if you could. Essentially I am asking you, what would you have God do?
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Rayblue
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:17pmJesus has a scientific function.
Chew on THAT both sides.
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Bohump
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:44pmDang that fire is HOT, …. and you can Not change your Mind Once You Get There !
( have Fun ! )
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Bohump
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:16pmAdd your comments
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:40pmI can read minds….in the very next post bohump is gonna say something “nasty but true” about our ‘dear’ president.
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Bohump
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:14pmThe Way I See IT, … WE ALREADY … have a Genius of Storytelling, … Who Think’s He is GOD !
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:59pmAhhh Haah…….Nailed it!!!
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:13pmCalm Voice of Reason said: It was determined that a diet composed of mostly grains and shocks were healthier. This often makes me wonder at all the Blazers who condemn Michelle Obama’s efforts to improve our diets; it’s entirely Biblical.
@ Calm:
please explain how in the Book of Daniel the vegetarian diet was “mandated” by the kingdom to everyone at that time? I like vegetables. But Michelle Obama, has no right to mandate through the United States Government the diets of 330 million Americans like “children.” We are not children. We are adults. We can manage our own diets without Big Mother or Big Brother. Thank you.
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Calm Voice of Reason
Mar. 19, 2013 at 7:14pmWho said anything about a mandate? Lunches provided by public schools would naturally follow sound dietary principles, ideally, where is the problem with that?
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Advection
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:13pmEither Jesus was a lying scoundrel or else He is the Son of God. There is no “nice guy” middle-ground, and his arguments come from humanist morality. People like him could praise Jesus in one breath and Stalin in his next. It’s all the same in their eyes.
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alexegz30
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:01pmThe day I see these atheists take apart the Koran and declare Muhammad as just a storyteller I’ll consider their dissection of the bible worthy of attention, otherwise, it is just a clear statement as to how they are belittling the most docile of religions because it’s easy and they can make a quick name for themselves.
Go after all religions if you want to make a point on faith as a whole. If not, don’t pretend to know what you’re talking about.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:08pmAtheists wouldn’t DARE take apart the Koran. They would have a FATWA on their heads. Yet, where are the Christian FATWAS for them? No where. AT the very least Christians should get PROPS for this fact. Yet, that won’t happen until hell freezes over. Oh wait! There is no hell! HA! LOL!
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TheEDGE
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:11pmDon’t hold your breath.
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bobhope
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:15pmI can’t speak for all Atheists, but I personally think the Koran is just as fantastical as the bible – I just know less about it and consequently am not able to discuss the beliefs it puts forth the same way that I can with the bible. Islam also has less of a daily impact on my life – if it were Muslims instead of Christians who were leading the fight to oppose something such as gay marriage in the US then I’d probably have more to say about them.
There are a lot of atheists who also find it amusing when Christians online reject Muslim beliefs as ridiculous, when they believe things that are equally as ridiculous. When we point this out its not so much to defend Muslims, but rather to point out how the Christian is being a little hypocritical.
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TheArbiter
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:15pmI am so SICK of hearing this from you guys. Atheists routinely debunk the pedophilic monster that is mohammad and his disgusting koran.
TheArbiter
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:16pm@ shoreline: and yes, as an atheist, props to christians from avoiding the fatwas.
yokel32
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:16pmThe Koran is another book based on a myth. The world would be a much better place if we all realized that the Bible, the Koran, and the Book of Mormon are not real history or real science. Happy now?
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DoseofReality
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:19pmAlex – obviously you have never read any of the books by some famous atheists. I suggest God is not great by Hitchens…..there is a whole chapter tearing apart islam. Bill Maher tears apart islam all the time….just watch one of his standups. But you probably get all your news frmo the blaze and fox so you only see the stories and articles against Christians. or you are just lying…neither one would surprise me
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spirited
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:42pmHello SHORELINELIZ,
“Atheists wouldn’t DARE take apart the Koran”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>Yes.
Riots in Egypt… (eehgads)
and
the Benghazi bamboozle …
about a lil o funny film. (creepy)
All of which would make for a good story book in itself; written a variety of ways. -lol
;^>Thank goodness for Life Of Brian, Mel Brooks and Monty Python.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:09pmDoseof realty said:”Alex – obviously you have never read any of the books by some famous atheists.” them?
Why would anyone waste the time? they originate in arrogant ignorance.
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Marine25
Mar. 19, 2013 at 8:10pmAtheists don’t believe in gods. None. Zero. Nada.
All gods are implausible, irrational, and lack any evidence as to their reality.
Gods were all created by men in order to explain what their age could not yet explain, or to provide another force of threatening authority over people who were easily deluded by the promise of everlasting life.
Mohammed walked the earth, as did Jesus, as did over a trillion other human beings. They all died and stayed dead. It would be great if people resurrected from the dead, but they don’t. Not one bit of evidence has ever suggested otherwise. Muslims are deluded cowards, afraid to accept that their ultimate fate will be the same as a trillion before them. Christians are absolutely no different. Believers might sleep better because of their belief, but they’ll die the same.
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kegbuna
Mar. 19, 2013 at 9:59pmAs an atheist, the way I see Islam treat its women and children brings about some of the worst feelings. Here’s the thing, Islam is not very influential in this country. You’re not going to hear about a lawmaker putting up some Muslim symbols on public property. So, the clashes that occur happen usually with Christianity which is the most popular religion in America, tends to be more militant than Judaism, yet is way more influential than Islam.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:01pmSEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH
Posted on March 19, 2013 at 12:47pm
I believe, but I also believe you are a ” yokel.”
@Search:
If you “believe” in American History and have passed all your tests in school then are you a joke?
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searching for the Truth
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:28pmI hope your thinking is not contagious – I was speaking to yokel – I didn’t pass every test in school – I was asked to teach in geometry lecture though.
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searching for the Truth
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:40pmAnd, Jesus is not a myth.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:55pmThe Myth of Jesus
Parallels have been drawn between Greek myths and the life of Jesus. An early example was Friedrich Hölderlin, who in his Brot und Wein (1800–1801) suggested similarities between the Greek god Dionysus and Jesus. Dionysus (called Bacchus by the Romans), is the son of Zeus and is the god of grape harvest, winemaking, theater and ritual madness.Dionysus was a horned child who was torn to pieces by Titans, then boiled, but his grandmother Rhea put his pieces back together and brought him back to life.Dionysus was then sent to hide on a mountain, where he invented wine.
Modern scholars such as Martin Hengel, Barry Powell, and Peter Wick, among others, argue that Dionysian religion and Christianity have notable parallels.They point to the symbolism of wine and the importance it held in the mythology surrounding both Dionysus and Jesus Christ; although, Wick argues that the use of wine symbolism in the Gospel of John, including the story of the Marriage at Cana at which Jesus turns water into wine, was intended to show Jesus as superior to Dionysus.
Additionally, some scholars of comparative mythology argue that both Dionysus and Jesus represent the “dying-and-returning god” mythological archetype. Other parallels, such as the celebration by a ritual meal of bread and wine, have also been suggested.
E. Kessler has argued that the Dionysian cult developed into strict monotheism by the 4th century CE; together with Mithraism.
bobhope
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:49pmYou’d be hard pressed to find an atheist that doesn’t think that Jesus is a model to live by or that there aren’t positive aspects of the bible. I’m an atheist and I think the golden rule is one of the finest guides to life there is. We just don’t think the prejudices and superstitions that are also present in the bible should be force on society via legislature. Believe what you want, just don’t force it on me. It’s a pretty conservative ideal actually.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:07pmYou are absolutely RIGHT! Most Atheists DO believe that Jesus was a Good Moral Teacher. However, they get STUMPED by the Miracle or Super Natural “stuff” he was able to do. It doesn’t fit within their Scientific Penchant for viewing the world from a “natural” standpoint. So, Jesus gets “debunked” as Incarnate “Sky God” and that is where Atheists part company with Theists.
Atheists could NOT conceive like Thomas Jefferson in anything supernatural or miraculous though they have evidence in the universe for Intelligent Design.
Most Atheists I have met HATE the Old TEStament “WAr God” and they cannot seem to get over the HUMP that is the Contradiction between this Old Testament War God and HIS SON who was a PEACEFUl and MORAL TEACHER.
Question: How can the Disembodied Old TEstament God of WAR become Incarnate in the New TEstament Human Jesus of Peace and Love who wouldn’t hurt a fly and who was a Moral Teacher who didn’t use war?
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barber2
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:10pmBOB: So nice to meet a rational atheist who isn’t trying to get ” social justice ” ( aka revenge ) on all of Western civilization ! I , too, think that the Golden Rule is the only functional rule by which a society can operate . The Christian command ” to love your neighbor as your self ” is also an extremely wise guide for promoting a peaceful society .
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ArgumentumAdAbsurdum
Mar. 19, 2013 at 9:33pmThe golden rule far predates Christianity
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The Third Archon
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:47pm“The author also noted his belief that it is “very important” for children to have familiarity with classic folk tales, Greek mythology and the Bible.
So, while he may have some disdain for the Christian faith, it seems he at least admires Jesus’ story-telling skills and believes that the Bible has some potential to help in youths’ learning process.”
Well, one of the fastest paths to disbelieving the truth, or morality, of the biblical claims IS to actually READ the Bible.
shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:57pmARCHIE SAID: Well, one of the fastest paths to disbelieving the truth, or morality, of the biblical claims IS to actually READ the Bible.
@ARCHIE:
How is your SEARCH for Transitional Fossils going? Any Apes “evolve” into men yet? When you replicated the Big Bang did you blow a big hole in your backyard and spread ATOMIC RADIATION to the neighborhood?
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Rayblue
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:06pmReading is easy. Understanding takes a little effort.
And a sharper mind than is required by atheists..
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:51pmShoreline liz said: @ARCHIE:
How is your SEARCH for Transitional Fossils going? Any Apes “evolve” into men yet? When you replicated the Big Bang did you blow a big hole in your backyard and spread ATOMIC RADIATION to the neighborhood?
(I’d like to answer for Archie)……”.No, but I did **** my pants.”
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BlackCrow
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:45pmThe Bible is a wonderful guide for morality. BUT when religion becomes so rigid in its views that it cannot accept that Gneiss is a bunch of bunk in the way the universe, earth and man came to be that it will not accept observed phenomena then it becomes worthless. The Earth is 3 BILLION years old not 6000, the universe is 15 billion not 6000 and we know this because of the Doppler shift in light we can see. Even the Catholic Church accepts this as true why can’t evangelicals?
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searching for the Truth
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:52pmNever heard of Gneiss – is it a Good book?
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john vincent
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:06pm-truth
u never heard of the ‘first book of nice?’ the French version penned by Rosie O’donnell- you know, feel good, love a turtle, kiss a grapefruit, Billy and his bad guns, Betty has 3 mommies, etc. complete with illustrations-
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Rayblue
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:10pmEverything you state as fact is approximating worthlessness.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:26pmActually to a bible scholar the age of the earth IS much longer than 6000 years. That is just the age of the Hebrew race. All the other races are about 8000 years….But scripture goes back an uncountable time.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:40pmMORETEAPLEASE
Posted on March 19, 2013 at 12:28pm
Wrong!
@More:
Right! Atheists LOVE to make Jesus out to be something he is not. It’s called “revision” and please look it up. Phil Pullman is simply putting out the typical Atheist “story” about “myth” in his book. Which Atheists LOVE to do. They love the word “MYTH” when referring to the Bible and its entire content. Look it up.
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IslandAtheist
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:58pmThomas Jefferson cut all the Jesus miracles out of his revision of the bible.
spirited
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:09pm….and ~~>exactlyand other religious books?
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Rayblue
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:12pmThomas is kicking himself about now.
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TheEDGE
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:39pmYes. Yes. A good storyteller indeed. He was pretty handy with wood, too. Those facts don’t detract from his many miracles or who his father was.
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CatB
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:09pmAmen.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 5:54pmThanks edge,……. but it does help separate the goats from the sheep.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:38pmGONZO
Posted on March 19, 2013 at 12:29pm
How can a liar be a good moral teacher?
@Gonzo:
Are you talking about Obama?
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Gonzo
Mar. 19, 2013 at 2:15pmYou said Jesus was considered a moral teacher by atheists, but that He was not who He said he was. That would make Him the worlds greatest liar. Therefore, I don’t understand how an atheist could consider Him a moral teacher. He was either a lunatic, a liar or who He said He was.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:16pmGonzo…If you are going to use logic when you post, you run the risk of edifying dangerous fools.
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john vincent
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:36pmMr Pullman, there is one greater than you who offers far more respect to the word of GOd, based on a lifetime of learning and experience, and he is the Devil. He gives credit to that which you mock, and he sir is to be respected for that. I know his purpose, I hear his whispers, and I recognize his footprints.
You bring embarrassment upon yourself.
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yokel32
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:34pmI’m an atheist and I agree. The Bible has value. But, you have to admit that certain ideas have been proven wrong through scientific KNOWLEDGE. It can be a guide to moral behavior, as long as that behavior is backed up by actual science through the study of psychology.
Myths are useful, but we need to recognize them for what they are. The earth is not 6,000 years old. Language is not the result of people building a structure that was too tall for God. Noah did not carry two of every animal on a boat.
But, lying is wrong. Adultery is wrong. Most of the Ten Commandments are a good thing to base society on. Jesus’ teachings on altruism and self-sacrifice are great. Putting the needs of others above our own is the key to a happy life and a prosperous society.
But, these ideas are not exclusively Christian. We should all be aware of what all people have believed about how to have a good life, and we should know what science has proven as well.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:44pmHere is the PROBLEM with your analysis: The Bible is NOT a scientific treatise to begin with and it never was. It is a HISTORY book about the Jewish People. It is their history. Do you dispute American History books depicting Americans who fought in the Civil War? WEre you there? No. Yet you believe these books. Did you actually meet Generals Grant and Lee? No. Yet you believe. Have you believed the American History accounts that about 1500 tribes USED to exist in the Americas? Yes. Why? Because it is “written” in American history books. Which you believe and take at face value though you yourself did not exist at that time to SEE all 1500 tribes, right? Well. Why don’t you just take at FACE VALUE that the BIBLE is a written account of Jewish History? Do JEWS have the right to write down their own history and TELL IT like they see it like Americans do? Yes. I think they do. Jesus of Nazareth was a REAL JEW. BORN. Lived. Died. People who were THERE saw him do these fantastic things. So, they wrote it down for others to read. That is it. Believe it or not. There is no science to it. it rests on FAITH like your FAITH in believing your OWN American History though you were not there during the Civil War or the Indian Wars.
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searching for the Truth
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:47pmI believe, but I also believe you are a ” yokel.”
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swsb6x
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:49pmYOKEL32 How do you know something is wrong? Does some evolutionary chemical and electrical reaction occur in your brain to tell you murder is wrong? How do you know that someone else’s brain has evolved to the point where murder is ok for them? If all it is is an evolutionary reaction in your brain then another evolutionary reaction should tell you that life is therefore meaningless… so eat and drink for tomorrow you die (1 Corinthians 15:32). Quit borrowing from the Bible when it is convenient for you do so in order to make sense out of life.
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Calm Voice of Reason
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:01pmThere are, however, solid scientific principles to be found in the Bible. In the first chapter of Daniel, we learn that he proposed that the government fund a controlled study of whether a vegetarian diet was more effective than one composed of rich meats and wine. It was determined that a diet composed of mostly grains and shocks were healthier. This often makes me wonder at all the Blazers who condemn Michelle Obama’s efforts to improve our diets; it’s entirely Biblical.
@SWSB6X: Yes, there is compelling (I wouldn’t offend evolutionary psychologists by saying “conclusive”) evidence that moral behavior is in fact prompted by evolution.
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yokel32
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:14pmShoreline: I don’t believe books that have been proven wrong. For example, I no longer believe George Washington chopped down a cherry tree in his backyard. This idea has been proven wrong. I don’t believe language is the result of the Tower of Babel. It has been proven wrong. Languages evolve. 1,000 years ago, people were not speaking the same English we are today.
SWS: This is how I know right from wrong: If it causes damage or harm to another human being it is wrong. This I think is the main message behind all of the religious books. Treat others the way you want to be treated. The golden rule works for atheists too, and it’s been around a lot longer than Jesus has.
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Witness1974
Mar. 19, 2013 at 4:53pmYokel: You are wrong in so many ways that I couldn’t possibly answer them all if I had the entire blog to myself. So here is just one. You should read back over your argument and think about how heavily you rely on declarative sentences. Just because some yokel declares something true or false doesn’t mean a thing. Jesus called himself I AM. In fact He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” This made the Jews furious. Do you know why? Unlike you I could site some sources, but I’m not going to spoon feed you. Look it up. You are so self-assured that you must have read the Bible over and over again, right? Or, perhaps you are just parroting the government teachers that indoctrinated you. Science is not nearly the god you make it out to be.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:20pmWitness….You will never realize any communication with YOKEL. He’s fried.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:47pmYOKEL…. “This is how I know right from wrong: If it causes damage or harm to another human being it is wrong.” I don’t believe YOU could reliably discern Harm from Healing. I mean, you’re already starting from a position of ignorance.
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swsb6x
Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:50am@CALM VOICE OF REASON That’s exactly my point. It only goes to “reason” that morality is a product of evolution then there is also compelling evidence from evolution that life is meaningless and the atheist know that. I find the majority of atheists hypocrites in this area. Why do they even care? Oh, that’s right, they have been created in the image of a caring God.
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Calm Voice of Reason
Mar. 20, 2013 at 10:59amSWSB6X: I’m not understanding what you are saying. IF evolution produces morality, THEN life is meaningless, THEREFORE atheists are hypocrites. That seems to be your argument, however I don’t see how an individuals sense of purpose in life is in any way a function of the origin of his moral behavior. Meaning is found through life experience and is something that a person finds for his or her self.
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searching for the Truth
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:27pmIn the mean time, he writes fiction story’s.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:37pmAnd in other news:
Atheist author Phil PUllman turned into an Ape in one of his own books. Funeral services for the former human Phil Pullman were cancelled because no transitional fossil of his former human self could be found. However, the First Lady ate copious amounts of banana cream pie for her pie hole because she felt so depressed and of course to honor the Ape Man that used to be a human that had no human skeleton left because no transitional fossil could be found. However that did not stop the First Lady from shoving Banana Cream Pie in her pie hole all day.
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moreteaplease
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:27pmSo, while he may have some disdain for the Christian faith, it seems he at least admires Jesus’ story-telling skills and believes that the Bible has some potential to help in youths’ learning process.
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He is doing nothing more than trying to patronize Jesus while making a veiled attempt to discount the FACT that Jesus is the Son of God AND cast the Bible in the same light as Aesop’s Fables.
Don’t make him out to sound like an atheist with a heart.
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Witness1974
Mar. 20, 2013 at 3:59amYou nailed it, my friend.
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TheGrtDcptn
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:27pm…admitted that he was using his work to “undermine the basis of Christian belief”
…what more needs to be said…?!…same old rhetoric…
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Calm Voice of Reason
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:25pmWe should also note that even Richard Dawkins praises Jesus as an important moral philosopher.
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:16pmOr course he did. Dawkins, Pullman and other “scholars” have depicted Jesus as one of the great MYTHS in LITERATURE. Now, for his miracles and his super natural feats……To the Jefferson Bible! Oh wait! They were cut out in the Name of Science. Sorry. Science Wins. Myth Loses. We are all done now. My poor SKY GOD. My poor MYTH. How will I live? What will I do?
Oh: Michelle Obama will tell me what to eat. Barack Obama will tell me what to believe and think.
Goodbye Sky God. I don’t need you. I have Big Mother and Big Brother to tell me what to eat, think and how to believe now.
Good bye Sky God. Sob. Sob.
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:27pmDo you think he may be thinking he can hedge his bet?
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shorelineliz
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:23pmThis is nothing new. Atheists have depicted Jesus as a Moral Teacher from day one. But, is he the God of the Universe? Is he God incarnate? Is Jesus who HE says he is? Nope!
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moreteaplease
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:28pmWrong!
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Gonzo
Mar. 19, 2013 at 12:29pmHow can a liar be a good moral teacher?
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barber2
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:18pmHow many angels can dance on the head of a pin ?! DUH. Who cares, guys. How about just focusing on the command ” to love your neighbor as yourself ? ” Even if you don’t want to walk down the theological road and parse dogma, how about just accepting the words and the examples of Jesus’ life which seem a good guide for people.
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Xanderson
Mar. 19, 2013 at 1:57pmWell, Barber2, because that would make too much sense and most people would (sadly) rather feel “right” than happy : (
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Max jones
Mar. 19, 2013 at 6:31pmWell barber ….Without repentance for thumbing their noses at YHVH, they can go to hell. That’s called ………..tough love. Real tough love.
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ModerationIsBest
Mar. 20, 2013 at 1:56amI don’t find Jesus to be that moral.
“Love me or go to hell”
Yup, I’ll pass on that one thank you.
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