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‘Extremist Legislation’? Transgender Bathroom Proposal in Ariz. Sparks Controversy

Mar. 20, 2013 7:30am Billy Hallowell

PHOENIX (TheBlaze/AP) — There’s an epic battle brewing over transgender rights and whether or not these individuals should be allowed to use bathrooms that correspond with genders other than those they were born with.

While some lawmakers across the country have long argued that such allowances make members of the public uncomfortable, human rights activists have posited that transgendered Americans should have this right.

In Arizona, the debate is heating up, with some lawmakers pushing to prohibit anyone not associated with their birth gender from using public restrooms, showers and dressing rooms in the nation’s latest tussle over equal rights for transgender people.

The proposal comes less than a month after the city of Phoenix passed a human rights ordinance prohibiting gender identity discrimination in public accommodations.

That measure and the proposed Arizona law represent opposite sides of a growing national debate over equal access to public restrooms for transgender people.

In Arizona, Republican Rep. John Kavanagh wants to make it a misdemeanor for a person to use a public facility associated with a gender other than what’s on his or her birth certificate. The Bill, SB 1432, would constitute a Class 1 misdemeanor, costing offenders up to $2,500 in fines and up to six months in jail.

Transgender Bathroom Law in Ariz. Sparks Controversy But Whos Right?

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AZCentral.com has more:

Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, wants to create Arizona’s first law governing restroom privileges. Under Senate Bill 1432, someone would be guilty of disorderly conduct if he or she uses a bathroom, locker room or dressing room that’s not designated for the sex listed on his or her birth certificate. [...]

Councilman Tom Simplot, who is openly gay and pushed the reforms, said if SB 1432 becomes law, it would criminalize the “very nature” of being transgender, a term used to describe people who identify as a sex different than that they were born as.

“They’re creating a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist,” Simplot said of the proposal. “This kind of extremist legislation is exactly what brings criticism to Arizona and compromises our work to make Phoenix an accepting and competitive city.”

National transgender advocates say Arizona’s proposed law would be the toughest standard in the nation if it passes.

What do you think? Should transgendered people be able to use public facilities associated with their preferred gender?

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love the kids
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:19am
I think all bathrooms should be open for everyone. What’s the difference if a gay man is in a men’s bathroom as opposed to if a man is in a womans bathroom. Why should I have to go into a bathroom or a shower room knowing that a person that could be physically attracted to me might be watching, but then tell me that I can be arrested for going into a woman’s bathroom. Or if you want Gay rights so much, why would you open up the possibility of a Gay man being forced to use a men’s bathroom knowing that it may put him at risk of harm?

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- jungle J
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:32am
  Only freaks agree with this. Only the sane understand.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 10:50am
  First of all how do you know the person is truly gay and not some pervert in the woman’s locker room getting off his jollies. Sorry your anatomy governs the bathroom you use, not how you identify. This crap has to stop now. If you are male and come into my bathroom, I will raise holy hell. I don’t care if you are gay or think you are a female. I will get your a$$ arrested and file charges.
  
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- Southerner01
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 11:09am
  JUst make all bathrooms single stall, like porta potties, and put a row of them down the hallway. Then your suggestion works.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:26pm
  @ COFEMALE
  
  I understand your feelings about privacy. But, honestly, aside from some rather obvious crossdressers using the bathroom, how would you spot a male to female transsexual (MtF TS)? If you live in, or near, a large city you may have already encountered a TS in the ladies room and not even known it. I don’t know about you but when I use the restroom I am in there to relieve myself and / or touch up my makeup.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:43pm
  @ vicky: well stated. And besides, men can storm the ladies room at any time with or without a disguise. sorry to burst your bubble cofemale.
  
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- BOKCHOY
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:54pm
  Why??? Because anyone dressed or made up to be something that isn’t shown on the restroom signs should be charged and thrown out. Once you get the complete operation and hormone treatment to destroy your sex and identity legally, you have no right to choose the wrong restroom! Think hard and long, you can’t have it all stupid.
  
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- mwiland
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 2:22pm
  the issue is that if my wife and 6yo daughter go to the pool and decide to change there, my daughter doesnt need to be looking at a nude man who thinks he is a woman.
  
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- SickOfSociety
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 2:32pm
  If you come into my bathroom, or my daughter’s bathroom as the opposite sex I WILL beat the snot out of you.
  
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- 3monkeysmomma
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 2:41pm
  When men can use freely womens restrooms, rapists and robbers will easily be able to target women and little girls in a private place out in public. Has anyone thought about this?
  
  I’m not trying to make trouble for trannies, I’m trying to protect the vulnerable.
  
  I actually make my little boys go to the bathroom together when we are out in public because I’m aware of boys being assaulted by perves in a restroom. In one instance, I heard about a six year old boy was raped and strangled in a mens room with his aunt waiting outside the door.
  
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- NoSleeper
  Posted on March 21, 2013 at 5:03am
  MEN, WOMEN and OTHER?
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:02am
  @ Sickofsociety
  
  It is people of your type thay make me ill. How would you even know if a member of the opposite sex came in to use the restroom? Are you the self-appointed police that are going to pull down men’s pants or women’s underwear to check their genitals? Why do you want to “beat the snot” out of someone? Are you afraid of being approached or propositioned? This can happen regardless of physical gender. You obviously fear for the safety of your daughter, and as a parent myself I do not blame you for that at all. However, if a man is going to molest someone in a ladies room, he can do it now without the expense and trouble of a disguise. Another writer, “3monkeysmomma” had an excellant suggestion of sending her children to the restroom together. To help relieve your fears send your daughter to a restroom with someone else such as a friend, another adult, etc.
  
  Beating someone to a pulp will only get you arrested for assault, especially if nothing troublesome (caused by the transgender person) happens. Then again try assaulting a transgender person. I do know some who have Concealed Carry Licenses. You might get a surprise that you did not expect and that you may come to regret.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on March 21, 2013 at 2:47pm
  If I believe I’m a dog, can I sleep in a kennel at the pound? If I believe I’m a dog – aren’t I then? But I am so much more comfortable around other dogs and as a child I liked playing with dog toys more than human toys! Hey, that’s how I identify myself, who are THEY to tell ME what I am?
  
  Okay, enough sarcasm to show my point…
  
  A man is a man – a woman is a woman. You can think you are something you are not all day long – but that only shows the signs of mental illness.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:36am
  @ P8triot
  
  A man is a man – a woman is a woman. You can think you are something you are not all day long – but that only shows the signs of mental illness.
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  These ignorant graspings of “absolutes” makes me ashamed to be connected to some conservatives (however, the alternative of hanging with liberals is completely out of the question).
  
  What you do not know or understand is that physical sex and gender do not always match. Ask yourself this question: if you are a man but one morning you wake up as a woman. You see yourself in the mirror and you realize that something is wrong. Your mind and the way that you see yourself is not in tune with your body. This is what a transsexual (TS) feels everyday. It affects their outlook on life, their relationships, their emotions…in short every aspect of their lives. At sometime in your life have you ever been in a situation that was not right for you? It truly affects your outlook on life. Does that mean you are suffering from mental illness?
  
  A TS is born with a birth defect as real as physical ones, such as club feet or cleft palates. Their defects are not visible to the naked eye therefore, “normal” people think the TS is crazy and deranged in need of professional attention. Try walking in their shoes and see how difficult life can be before you make sweeping judgements. I do not presume to be God or to know how He thinks, should
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:34pm
  @VICKY IN CINCY
  
  Okay, then please answer my analogy regarding a person thinking they are a dog – mental illness, or can people change what they are based on what they think? We can think we are dogs all day long, but that doesn’t change the fact that we were born human. Would that person’s lack of a dog tail simply be a physical defect and simply requires a surgically implanted tail?
  
  Gender is not a physical defect – quite the opposite – to deny one’s gender is a mental defect.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 9:20am
  I will try to anwer your dog analogy as best I can. To THINK that you are different is nothing. Anyone can think that the are different or want to be someone/something else, i.e. I think I want to be Aaron Rogers of the Packers (or pick any athlete) or I think I look as great and as sexy as Beyonce. Well, as much as you THINK it, the realty is that no one will ever be someone/somehing else that they are not. Also I have never heard of transspecieism.
  
  When it comes to gender, this is somethng that is felt in your heart, your mind and in your soul. Regardless of what you do the fact of being the wrong PHYSICAL gender never leaves you. TS’s do try to supress these feelings for most of their lives. Eventually these feelings come back and play havoc with your life. Some people cannot handle this conflict of emotions. Unfortunately some TS’s commit suicide, even those who have had mental therapy or who are seeing a therapist. I agree with you when you said that to deny ones gender is a mental defect although I suspect that you meant it in a different way. TS’s are trying very hard to align their physical sex and their gender. Doing so brings a tremendous peace into their lives. For some it’s the first peace that they ever experience in their lives. I work with many transsexuals. All they want is personal peace and to fit into society. Their path to self acceptance, much less happiness is very long and difficult. I hope that this helps to answer you. God’s peace to you.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on March 25, 2013 at 11:43am
  @VICKY IN CINCY
  
  Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one :) Either way, I do believe that everyone should be treated with respect. However, we would probably disagree on whether it is disrespectful to women to allow a man who believes he is a woman share their restroom. Have a great day!
  
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ColorMeRedd
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:18am
This is such a silly debate. The left likes to use science in their arguments, but only when it suits them. Let’s use science in this one. It does not matter what you cut off or have sewn on. It does not matter what hormone treatments you undergo. It does not even matter how you feel, even if you really really want it with sugar on top. To my knowledge, you cannot change your chromosomes, and therefore, you cannot change your gender. “Transgender” does not exsist. There are only people who for some reason have felt a need to drastically alter their physical appearance.

Just cause I get a haircut, or any other cut for that matter, doesn’t mean I have the right to use the ladies room.

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IdahoAdrienne
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:54am
What’s to stop a sexual predator from using the gender issue gambit to access the women’s bathroom?

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:59am
  has virtually never happened. Besides, a predator can just waltz in now anyway if they so chose. It’s not like there are guards…
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:06am
  what’s to stop a sexual predator from just waltzing into the lady’s room dressed as a woman regardless?
  
  I was once standing at a urinal at the old Orange Bowl when one woman led a pack of about thirty other women into the men’s room.
  
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- redfish52
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:24am
  I was at a restaurant in Atlanta and when using the restroom a clearly mansexual came in to use the restroom. First I thought…holy c*** this lady doesn’t know she’s in the mens room until the person spoke. He went into a stall as I finished washing my hands and as I walked out I remembered what my mother taught me as a young man…always turn off the light when you leave a room.
  
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- marssnw
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:34am
  Reminds me of the story in Colorado of the “transgender” kid that wants to use the girls restroom even thou the kids has male genitals. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/coy-mathis-colo-transgend_n_2910066.html
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:33pm
  @ REDFISH
  
  I was at a restaurant in Atlanta and when using the restroom a clearly mansexual came in to use the restroom. First I thought…holy c*** this lady doesn’t know she’s in the mens room until the person spoke. He went into a stall as I finished washing my hands and as I walked out I remembered what my mother taught me as a young man…always turn off the light when you leave a room.
  
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  I really do not understand you. Here is a transgender person, dressed as a woman but is obviously male, according to his speech. Nearly everyone here wants the transgender person to use the restroom appropriate to their birth gender. This person did exactly what everyone is demanding, he was using the restroom that matched his sexual gender. Then REDFISH you turn out the lights on him! I find your behaviour to be revolting and cruel. Someone needs a restroom for relief! Where is he supposed to go…the alley, right out on the street, in a park?
  
  Show a little compassion for Heaven’s sake!
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 2:27pm
  @ Vicki what does compassion have to do with this – how about common sense which unfortunately is becoming not so common.
  
  Just because a person “feels” or wants to “believe” he is a she or she is a he doesn’t make it so. We used to be able to put identity disordered people in a mental hospital.
  
  So when some parent decides to give in to the kid who thinks he is a kitty cat or enough perverts deem themselves to be kitty cats, are you going to require litter boxes in all public places & schools to show “compassion” to the poor deluded soul who isn’t “comfortable” using the toilet because he has deemed himself a cat.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 21, 2013 at 8:40am
  @ Kaydeebeau
  
  You better go back and read what i said because either you did not understand it or you have chosen to disregard it. Redfish was in a mens restroom and a crossdresser (apparently) comes in to use the MENS room. This person is doing what all of you are demanding. When the crossdressing person does EXACTLY that he is abused by an idiot who thinks that he is morally superior to someone else. You shall be known by your actions Kaydeebeau. THAT is the action that I say is cruel and it is Redfish that I am calling on display compassion.
  
  I am a Catholic and a Libertarian. What bothers me more than anything, and why I comment here is that all of the “kindness” that I see displayed towards anyone deemed to be either “confused, sick, defective, deranged, deviant, psychopathic, etc., just because they feel differently within themselves is that these self-professed Christians are extremely quick to pull the “judgement” trigger. There are times I feel that I am witnessing the Inquisition 600+ years later.
  
  I have known transgender people; their struggles, fears, doubts and misgivings. They struggle with enough garbage in life. 99.9% are good people that will not hurt anyone nor bother anyone, yes there are some who truly are in need of intense help. Misplaced righteous anger is a terrible thing. For some transgender it might be enough to push them to suicide. Do you care to have that on your consience?
  
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:52am
This is simple: You have to use the can associated with your God-given gender…. until you either get your wee-wee chopped off or someone else’s sewn on- then you can switch potties.

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abwehragent
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:51am
What a fine way to keep the abortion industry going. Not to mention psychologists and psychiatrists for the women mentally and emotionally messed up by sexual assault and the after-effects of abortion.

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ComingUnglued
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:49am
Took a poll recently, the question was what gender are you?
Male
Female
Other 3% said other.

Where are we living? What the HELL does other mean? We are coddling every freak, every mixed up kid, every deviant. This has got to stop. 2 genders pick one.

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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 5:10pm
  Look up what gender means. take an anthropolgy class. many societies havr more than two genders.
  
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oxycontinxx
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:49am
in the great perverse land of equal opportunity, anyone should be allowed to use whichever head is convenient…………male into female facility or female into male facility…………thats the liberal way.

as me for………if i gotta take a whiz, the nearest tree will do just fine.

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:31pm
  everyone is a freak to someone. Including people obsessed with painkillers.
  
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- Bikkiboo
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:43pm
  That’s ’cause you must be a guy – that doesn’t work for gals.
  
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sandy21957
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:43am
I live in the Phoenix metro area. The mayor of Phoenix is Bloomberg-lite.

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- 3monkeysmomma
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 2:44pm
  I’m near you in Glendale…and I agree.
  
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VetMike
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:42am
Tempest in a teapot. Arizona (and a lot of other states) have much more important problems to deal with then who goes pee where.

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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:51am
  Ain’t that the truth!
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:58am
  exactly!
  
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Mister Natural
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:33am
another insult to NORMAL folks in order to accommodate the mentally disturbed and confused

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skinflint
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:28am
“Preferred gender.”

I’m still pondering that one. Girls use the girl’s room. Boys use the boy’s room. If you’re out and about dressed differently than your gender and might get the snot beat out of you if you go in the wrong bathroom, common sense suggests to hold it and go when you get home. Why does the majority have to bend to the whims of a very tiny minority????

Jeeze. Find something spiritually fulfilling to obsess about instead, something that contributes to the greater good and not your small-minded all-about-me thinking. Remodel your bathroom. Or help your neighbor with theirs. Donate blood. Volunteer for Meals on Wheels. Counsel troubled teens. The rest of us tend to admire that kind of thing.

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Outlaw_Josey_Wales
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:26am
Looks like the day is coming, when the government will mandate every business, school, restaurant and factory to have 4 bathrooms for each genger type.

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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:21am
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Why don’t we just all Pee together?…..

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- Kisses6350
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 11:07am
  Thank you, Spank! They have stalls in both bathrooms! Use one! Truly the dont have enough to do! Furlough Congress/Senate!
  
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Michigander
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:21am
How many transgenders are there anyway? If people just used discretion and common sense there wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is, so many of these LGBTQ’s want attention on everything they do.

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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:48pm
  Michigander
  How many transgenders are there anyway? If people just used discretion and common sense there wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is, so many of these LGBTQ’s want attention on everything they do.
  
  Michigander, you are quite correct. People should use discretion. I have encountered many GLBT people. There is no problem with gays, lesbians and bisexuals using a restroom as they are in the restroom they should be using. Most of the transsexuals that I have met prefer to blend into society and not to standout. This generally applies to the older ones. I know some younger transsexuals who are “in-your-face” activists and they DO want the attention and to cause a scene. Personally, I think that they are absolute idiots.
  
  I can only say this concerning bathroom use. How would feel if you are in a ladies room and female to male TS comes in…looking like a man. My first reaction would be discomfort. I can take care of myself so I would not feel threatened. However, some women might run out and call for Security or the police. The same if a male to female TS goes into a mens room dressed as a woman. How would you feel? My guess is that this individual would be in physical danger of assault, verbal, and possibly, physical. A transgender person needing a bathroom break is in dire straits.
  
  As you said, apply common sense and discretion…the best advice I have seen yet.
  
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critterbait
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:21am
YIKE”S I think I’ll just go pee outside ….

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Gonzo
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:19am
If you can stand and pee, do it. How hard was that?

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Outlaw_Josey_Wales
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:15am
OWS-Gender, they don’t need their own gender bathrooms, they poop on the ground.

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PingPongPing
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:12am
transgendered people should have the right to use any bathroom they wish.

FOR AS LONG AS ITS LOCATED INSIDE A MENTAL HOSPITAL.

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Kregneva
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:07am
Arizona is weird. In a civilized state like New York, the police would just let them use the bushes in Central Park. No problem.
No Big Gulp.
Ten dollar Camels.

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FlagWavingPatriot
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:00am
The only place we need such things is in mental institutions. That’s where all these deviants should be in the first place. They’re defective.

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:07am
  …unless they have careers, previously served in the miltary, and/or contribute significantly to the country via tax contribution. As long as they aren’t coming on to you, which I sincerely doubt they do, you shouldn’t be concerned.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:58pm
  @FLAGWAVINGPATRIOT
  
  What is deviant about them? These individuals have a different outlook on their own gender. That makes them deviants? Also, they are defective? If that is the criterion for admittance to the state’s finest mental hospitals, then most of us in American society had better line up. We go through enough garbage growing up that I am surprised that more people aren’t neurotic, let alone psychotic!
  
  If you are not being harrassed or propositioned, why should you worry? Here is a Libertarian philosophy…Live and let Live! Lead your life and try not to bother anyone. Get over yourself!
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:13pm
  @ vicky: stop making sense!
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:39pm
  @ THEARBITER
  
  Thanks for the comment! It makes me chuckle.
  
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jackact
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:58am
Who knew that so many trans-genders resided in McCains home state?
Why not mark the bathroom doors as:
1.) (male)
2.) (female)
3.) (?=transgender)
4.) (R=RINO)….just for McCains excusively use!

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 9:03am
  hey jack, that’s not entirely fair. McCain can’t be the only RINO in AZ seeing as he has been re-elected so many times!
  
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- jackact
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:01pm
  @THEARBITER,
  Good point.
  
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ArmedAndReallyPissed
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:55am
Uh 1, uh 2, uh 3 aaaaand…………Jimmy Crack Corn and i don’t care, Jimmy Crack Corn………………..

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:08am
  lol brilliant!
  
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RightMeansRight2
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:41am
This is just horrible. There is no such thing as a “transgender”, you are a male or a female and that is all. To “accept” anything else is just a disgusting mistake. No, these people are mentally defective, and should be treated as such. Find out what is making them believe the things they do and help them get over it, or lock them up. But get these freaks out of society where they do NOT belong. Mental defectives, nothing else.

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:53am
  lock them up? really? Why do you even care or give the topic the time of day if it is so upsetting for you? Worry about the economic future of our country that is being compromised by the liberals and RINOs… your energy would be better spent.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:02am
  Looks like we have a “comment policeman” here today. If all you can do is Biotch about everyone’s post EarBiter, then maybe you should go play somewhere else.
  Stop being a Nag.
  
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- RightMeansRight2
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:05am
  arbiter…because it is in the “news”, that’s why. And it is “in your face” every damn day, so yep…I have an opinion on it. I do not like being around mentally defective people in public. They are unpredictable and can be dangerous. Imagine what they can do to you, if they are not right mentally and decide that they just don’t like your face….or gender. I see a man entering a woman’s restroom, I’m calling the cops. Get to know right from wrong, and you too will be better off. And who says we are not fired up about the economy and this criminal administration? I am, but that, of course, is not the subject of this article.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:15am
  what they can do to me? really? have you ever even seen one of them? Two words: weird and harmless. I’m more worried about the thugs and their ‘flash mobs’. Trannies don’t really attack people, or are you going to tell me that you have been violently savaged by one in the past?
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:21am
  “There is no such thing as a “transgender”, you are a male or a female and that is all.”
  
  You’re referring to sex, not gender. Gender is in the mind; sex is the body type.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 12:58pm
  lol if being a “comment policeman” means standing up to fools suggesting we inflict tyrrany on a small and eccentric subset of fellow americans by ‘locking them up’, then give me my badge, sir!
  
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- mwiland
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 4:25pm
  @THEARBITER
  
  I hate to burst your bubble, however there are small subsets of Americans that we do lock up. Those individuals that have some sort of serious mental defect, as determined by the American Psychological Association, can be medicated and released to go about their lives, some however must be locked up and forcibly medicated to prevent harm to themselves or others.
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 11:35am
  @ MWILAND: ok, so now I guess we are comparing apples and styrofoam. Transfolk are not a danger to society. unless of course you can give some examples of them being violent towards others.
  
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ZAP
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:37am
Man passing laws contrary to God’s laws seem to be a problem…..

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 8:06am
  not really. we have passed literally hundreds of laws contrary to your god. not saying it’s a good thing but you are certainly incorrect with your statement.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:37am
Simple answer – you are born a man or a woman, not something inbetween.

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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:55am
  simple answer – it is not your place to tell a fellow citizen how to live, nor are you in a position as a christian to judge them. We need to focus on the real problems – not this distraction. The fools in washington are destroying our economy and eroding our liberties at an ever increasing rate, and all you guys can bother to do is get fired up about trannies?
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:56am
  Except for Michael Moore and Chris Matthews. I don’t think anyone has figured out what they are yet.
  
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- ArmedAndReallyPissed
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 7:59am
  EARBITER : , and all you guys can bother to do is get fired up about trannies?………………….Who are “you guys” ? And i don’t see anyone posts here yet that are “fired up” about Tranimals.
  Take a chill pill.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:04pm
  @ ARMEDANDREALLYPISSED
  
  Except for Michael Moore and Chris Matthews. I don’t think anyone has figured out what they are yet.
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  LOL! I love that comment! However, I do not like what Michael Moore and Chriss (tingle up my leg) Matthews really are!
  
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- TheArbiter
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:28pm
  you guys = c’mon, you know who you are (the majority of commenters on here who are freaking out over this). This is a non-issue that is jam packed with straw man arguments.
  
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- Vicky in Cincy
  Posted on March 20, 2013 at 1:36pm
  SNOWLEOPARD
  
  God makes us who we are. I also believe that God does not make mistakes. Why there are transgender people is a mystery. I do not pretend to know or to understand the mind of God. This is something well beyond my qualifications.
  
  Unfortunately, there are many people in society who have tried to live a normal life in society. I have also known people trying to live a live expected of them by their parents.Not all of them are transgender. Have you ever lived up to someone elses ideal of how your life should be? Have your parents wanted something for you that wasn’t your cup of tea? That is what transsexuals go through in their life. Eventually, the stress of this situation causes enormous physical and emotional problems.
  
  This world is not black and white Snowleopard (I love your name BTW). Your physical sex is what you are born with. Your gender is of the mind. Many times the gender matches the sex. Unfortunately, there are people whose gender does not match their sex. The majority of transgender people are not perverts nor are they deviants, yes, there are exceptions. However, there are also many deviants in “normal” heterosexual society. I have read up on this subject and have learned many surprising things. I implore you to open your heart and educate yourself before criticizing this part of society.
  
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