Rand Paul Has a ‘News Flash’ for Coulter, Limbaugh and Other Critics of Immigration Reform
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) responded Thursday to critics on the right who say the immigration reform he supports will be catastrophic to the Republican Party and, more importantly, the country.
“I’ve got a news flash for those who want to call people names on amnesty: What we have now is de facto amnesty,” he said during an appearance on Fox News.
Sen. Paul’s comments were prompted by Fox anchor Bill Hemmer saying said that the Republican senator’s immigration speech on Tuesday has made him a “ripe target†for conservative critics, including Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.
“People like Coulter and Limbaugh say people like you are being suckered into an agreement here,†Hemmer said. “What they argue is that conservative principles should not be sacrificed here, it’s that the Republican message has been lost in the process. What would you say to that?â€
“We have 11 million people here. They’ve been here, some of them, for a decade or more. No one is telling them to go home, no one’s sending them home,†Sen. Paul responded.
The senator continued, explaining his reform proposals in detail. From there, he turned his attention to Coulter who has repeatedly said that Republicans will never win another election if they embrace amnesty.
“If amnesty goes through, America becomes California and no Republican will ever win another national election,” Coulter said last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference.
Paul responded: “Here’s another news flash: We haven’t been too competitive in the last two national elections.â€
Watch the entire discussion here:
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rickroland
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:53pmYeah, Rand, it is de facto amnesty, agreed. But YOU are on the wrong side of this issue.
Existing law *is not* being enforced, that is the PROBLEM!
No new paths, modified paths or any other paths, outside of existing law, are needed nor necessary.
You really are going to have to look at the overall effects of what you are proposing, which would be BY LAW amnesty (not de facto), and hopefully change your mind on the subject OR you can kiss whatever chances you have of possibly becoming President GOOD BYE, as you won’t even be the nominee with your current view on the matter.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:22pmHow can there ever be any hope for a 3rd party candidacy when anyone who tries something new is immediately squashed by the old guard? If there is no room in a party for dissent of ANY of the parties ideas their will only be echoes of “but they must have cheated……” as the old party shakes hands with the WHIGS…
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DADDYWOREAWHITEHAT
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:23pmCurrent practice of come on in & sign up for food stamps & free health care, free lunch for kids @ school, Medicaid, etc is killing us!
I would gladly accept the consequences of sending them & their anchor babies back to Mexico & china & Somalia!
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Primekid
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:28pmThank you. It doesn’t take much for a good mans will to become shaken and for that good man to fall. Even if he states that he will not consider voting for a plan that includes ANY kind of amnesty until after first sealing the borders, it is still a consideration of amnesty. I, my family, my friends and colleagues are all expected to obey U.S. law as citizens. If ever illegally present, non-citizens are rewarded with that very thing which they have attempted to steal there becomes a double standard. Citizens punished for not obeying the U.S. laws, non-citizens rewarded for the same. Why is it that the dangers and ramifications of propagating such a double standard seem to be so hard for politicians to understand? Amnesty for illegal activity must never be provided or else why should anyone obey US law? They say there are too many hear to deport? I say, then you better get cracking NOW!
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braddock66
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:22pmHe’ll be fine.We are embedded throughout our society with Anti-American, Communist appeasing, Progressive Liberals that have had their way as of late. He is just trying to slow down the machine first before he can turn around.
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oldguy49
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:24pmand…..news flash for you and any other” R” out there…………..amnesty means no vote for you
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subic
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:35pmThe biggest illegal of them all without a legitimate birth cert is sitting right up there in our WH & has been scamming the taxpayer for his free stuff for years.
Show us your records Barry. What are you hiding?
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mastice
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:50pm@Exrepublisheep
(((How can there ever be any hope for a 3rd party candidacy when anyone who tries something new is immediately squashed by the old guard?)))
Where are the new ideas?
I think the *new* idea is to enforce current law instead of ignore it… which is what both parties have been guilty of for a long time now. Amnesty, in any form, that has been implemented in the past has only led to more people coming here illegally.
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Sicboy
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:02amDid Paul mention Beck?. I had to turn off GB on wednesday, that love fest he had with Paul was too much for me to take. The GOP, as we know it is dead. I just realized Rand Paul and Rick Perry are the same person. OMG. Their both dead to me. I will not vote for the lessor of two evils anymore.
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scarydave
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:21amRand Paul is playing the game like a long-serving politician, probably because of the help he gets from Dad. If he really believes deeply in his stances about Immigration then he should consider to shut down any lofty ideas he may have had about running for POTUS.
The way he is playing the game shows me that he’s only worried about HIS NEXT ELECTION, and the future OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. His concern for doing the right thing for the country doesn’t even enter the equation.
And for all you 3rd party people… I love the idea. However, I will do everything in my power to see that
the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, and the Libertarian Party, have the same future as did Disco music.
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:18amRAND PAUL IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE. SO IS MARCO RUBIO. DUH. WAKE UP PEOPLE. THE Illegals are HERE. WE cannot round them up and send them back. Many of them have been here for decade(s). FIRST we close the borders. OKAY? THEN we sort out the crooks, criminals and send them back. OKAY? THEN we have those left pay a fine, get in the back of the line, but at least we know who and where they are for sure and they begin to pay taxes. THAT IS CALLED DEALING WITH REALITY.
YOU IDEOLOGUES are no better than the CODE PINKOS .. First you face REALITY. THEN you determine the GOAL. THEN working from the GOAL back to your point today, you Identify the steps.
THEN YOU DO IT. I believe that RAND PAUL and/or MARCO RUBIO can do this. FIRST STOP THE BLEEDING….close the borders.
OTHERWISE, people… you will be running around and around in circles forever. AND MCCAIN/GRAHAM: SU. YOU could have made the Senate demand closed borders, but you have nothing to you but mouths. YOU are all talk and no action. Step aside.
I STAND WITH RAND.
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dmerwin
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:13amI agree with Senator Paul. The establishment Republican Party (lower case intentional) has not done much to build the fence, deport illegals or limit their entitlements (Medicaid/food stamps). I would rather see a path to full citizenship for:
1. People who enter legally, without a criminal record.
2. Who pay taxes.
3. Who learn English, this is a deal breaker, NO drivers license or ballots in any language other than English.
4. Enlistees are automatically granted citizenship after a 4 year enlistment, a civics test and an English proficiency test .
This criteria would render them more American than ANY liberal.
Note to Soybomb, let us unite to change the current paradigm and seize back our country.
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Modern_Cicero
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:22amI think you’re misunderstanding. Rand is talking about a practical way to get to a point where – after 50 years of not enforcing the law at all – we can actually begin enforcing the law and and start making it the rule instead of the exception. If you, on the other hand, want to run for President on a ticket of rounding up tens of millions of people and sending them to Mexico when their main offense has been agreeing with the policy of the United States for the past 50 years (come across the border and you can make money and we’ll get cheap labor) then go ahead and campaign on rounding them up. Let me know if you get elected. This problem took decades to create. Issuing millions of work visas would probably be a good way out of it.
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dmerwin
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:26amPatty you are not entirely correct. Though I agree with PART of your premise. We COULD set up a system where biometric guest worker cards were only issued in consulates and embassies outside of the US and fine every employer of illegals 50,000 dollars for each violation. That would deport the illegals pronto. However,NONE of our politicians tienen Los cajones to actually do this. If we are to allow these illegals to continue residence we should set up some strict conditions like no MS13 facial tattoos, no Medicaid and no foodstamps. Life is tough and our country cannot afford to be a “social safety net” for Latin America.
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Obama_In_PeePee_By_Zee_Arteeeest_Beck
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:00am“Rand Paul Has a ‘News Flash’ for Coulter, Limbaugh and Other Critics of Immigration Reform”
The Paul’s, Rubio’s, Perry’s, Huntsman’s, Santorum’s are politicians and they’ll go “any way the wind blows”.
Conservative? Nope.
TEA party? Nope.
Republican? Yes — not a good thing, now that Progressives(communists) are much embedded.
Closet Progressive(communist)? Hmmm. Maybe.
They just don’t get our whole “Constitution” thing:
“NEW WORLD ORDER National ID & Economic System To Be ENFORCED In U.S.A. January 15th 2013″
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFG2Nb2Lj2U
“We are going to replace national borders with electronic surveillance. They don’t seem to be able to defend the border, do they? They have appropriated millions of dollars to build a fence but somehow we cannot find any fence builders. We haven’t got one built yet. So, I don’t think they really want to.”
“We’ve got about 12 million illegals here. How do you get 12 million accidentally? I think it was done on purpose. Because I think these people have a plan”
“It is the time for the New World Order’s economic system to be implemented. Nation ID will be required to hold a job. Every major American Presidential candidate, except one, favors the Nation ID. EVERY CANDIDATE, EXCEPT ONE, FAVORS YOU HAVING A NATIONAL ID.”
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Allseasonangler
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:11amRand Paul’s immigration plan is no different than what the GOP has promoted for decades even under Bush. Rand is just framing it differently. And it is much more tough than Romney’s “self-deportation” non-existent immigration policy. Rand’s plan is much smarter and tougher than the Gang of 8′s plan by giving Congress oversight of border security rather than the DOJ who does nothing now.
The only major difference between Rand’s plan and the GOP establishment plan is that it won’t alienate moderates, Latinos, and minorities with family values, all would vote for Rand instead of Hillary Clinton in 2016.
News Flash to old moss stale Republicans: Adapt or become extinct. We have not been a contender in the past 2 elections. Appealing to moderates and independents is the key to success.
Stop listening to perennial losers like Coulter and Limbaugh and the John McCain-wing of the GOP.
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Obama Been Lauding
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:25amImmigration Policy:
Finish the barrier along our southern border.
Border Guards, drones, attack dogs, and even alligators (as Obama suggested) if need be, but enforce the Border “NOW”!!!
Then, hire as many “ICE” agents as needed, to arrest all “ILLEGALS”!
Advise companies, they have a short period of time to get “ILLEGALS” off their payroll, and hire “LEGAL” Americans, or face a fine!!
Fine all companies, etc. that knowingly hired “ILLEGALS”, a healthy fine.
Those “ILLEGALS” arrested–confiscate their assets, and “Redistribute Their Wealth”, to send all “ILLEGALS” arrested back to their home country.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:40amGeez,
Just when you think that you have a guy you can count on he pulls this crap. What a disappointment.
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naughtycal
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:51amExactly, Rand isn’t considering that we did this once with Reagan and that just incentivised border jumping.Or that we all ready have 8% of the legal work force without jobs as our economy is losing jobs to oversea companies. I understand his compassion he’s just not tempering it with any logic.
We need a revolution and we need to amend the Constitution making it impossible for anyone who enters the country illegally or the offspring they have from becoming a citizen. We also need to make it a treasonist crime when officals refuse to enforce immigration laws. We might also want to look into amending the free of religion by limiting it to religions that don’t practice jihads or allow others to worship freely.
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jcldwl
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:53amJust more proof you cannot trust anyone int DC. If you think you can then you will surely regret it.
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techengineer11
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:56amrickroland
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:53pm
Yeah, Rand, it is de facto amnesty, agreed. But YOU are on the wrong side of this issue.
Existing law *is not* being enforced, that is the PROBLEM!
I have to agree with rickro here and I see some names supporting Rand on the thread which I agree with on 9 out of 10 issues but Amnest is game changer for me. It’s a no go. I believe Coulter is absolutely correct and I dont’ particularly like her or agree with her on much.
You are not really thinking this through.. I’ve supported both Ron and Rand but this i a game changer. for the starters teh number of illegals is probably much higher. Next their immediate families become eligible citizens, 3rd we currently have a Welfare State with up to 90 Million Americans out of Work,,,
I can not believe we are being forced to have this debate in the Republican Party. Some Rand Paul supporters sent me a link the other day advocating “The rights to immigration and open borders..” and said that he was a Libertarian on immigration.. Then just yest an engineer said the same thing to me. Both under 30.
This is right out of Marx’s Manifesto people..
My goodness we are in dire need of Leadership in the Republican Party..
Just sickening to behold.
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grimjack3791
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:11amSo because we aren’t enforcing the law properly, the solution is to do away with the law?
Brilliant.
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Darla_K
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:12amThis talk of granting amnesity to illegals always gets me going. All citizens in the USA have to follow the laws put before us or we end up in trouble and sometimes in jail or prison. Now we have people that want to let illegals who have broken the law, to stay here with no consequences or perhaps a small slap on the hand and tell them it is ok that you have broken our laws. Our Federal government is telling ICE to let these illegals go without any action. This is so wrong, why do we have to follow the law and law breaking illegals get a free pass?
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TROONORTH
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:15amAnyone who doesn’t understand that it is too late to throw the illegals out is living In a fool’s paradise. The Republicans should be concentrating on a way of turning 11,000,000 people into good citizens and TAX PAYERS. To do otherwise is to commit political suicide and ensure that the Democrats hold power in Washington for generations to come.
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rangerskippy
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:42amall of these politicians are ignoring one of the real issues.
We currently have 50 million people on food stamps, and welfare, and other gov hand out programs.
I do not want to hear a dad gum word on immigration, until I hear a politician talk about ending the welfare, and putting these people back to work. Why bring immigrants here to work, then pay millions of lazy people not to work, so they can soak up tax dollars, commit crimes, and breed like rabbits?
If there is work here for immigrants to do, and to pay taxes on, then have the welfare crowd do it.
Hunger is a motivator.
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:43amYeah, I have lost all respect for Rand Paul – No true Conservatives left – just a bunch of Jelly Fish floating around in the Sea!
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dwf1
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:50amHere’s a news flash for RP. How about just enforcing the immigration laws we already have? We can’t afford12 million more uneducated welfare recipients. For the most part I think most illegals work hard but to many of them will have to rely on government assistance to support their families. The government bandits steal enough of my money.
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rangerskippy
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:58amIf it is ok for Wan and Jose to come up from Mexico to pound nails, and paint walls to feed their family, then by all means we can stop paying SSI and unemployment to Billy Ray, Bubba, and Earl over in the trailer park, and they can do the same. When Bubba starts pounding those nails, he will have less time for making meth.
If Sanchez and Javier can pick fruit, mow grass, and pour concrete to raise their kids, then by all means, Tyrone, Cedrick, Demetrius, Jamal, Devonte, Ray Ray, Pookey, Andree, and friends can get out of the projects and do the same. When Tyrone starts busting his hump, he will have to buy some pants that actually fit, and he will have less time for the current 50% of the murders he is doing, less time for making babies with Tamika, Lashonda, and Shominiqua, and less time for armed robberies. When he earns that paycheck, his self esteem will go up, his son will have a father worthy to look up to, and might not be as inclined to want to emulate the rap start that glorifies crime.
Keep it real.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:05amHere’s a news flash for Rand. The countries that these illegals come from are left wing socialist countries. Guess which way they are going to vote if you grant them citizenship? Left wing socialist party aka… Democrats! Couler is right. This will be the nail in the coffin for the Republican Party and more importantly, for conservatives.
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upeopleneedtogetalife
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:19amrickroland
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:53pm
Yeah, Rand, it is de facto amnesty, agreed. But YOU are on the wrong side of this issue.
Existing law *is not* being enforced, that is the PROBLEM!
Rick is correct.
As someone that has supported both Ron and Rand all the way, I can officially say that I’m no longer on board. Amnesty is a game changer.
I’m amazed at what I’m witnessing.
Somebody better slow down and think. Coulter is right. America will become one big CA.
You can’t have open borders and have a welfare state at the same time with 90 Million of your citizens under or unemployed!
My god people have you completely lost your Minds?
Slow down and think this through.
Rand is wrong.
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thetwilightzone
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:20amI would be OK with their proposal as long as they put in the bill that the ones given amnesty will NOT be allowed to vote. Any democrat against it doesn’t really care about the immigrants but instead only cares about getting their vote.
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Grace1798
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:21amBack in the late forties and early fifties, if you were illegal, they gave you the option of becoming an American Citizen and if you refused, they sent you back. But both Republicans and Democrats created this present insanity allowing illegals to come in and be here for such a long time. Now they don’t know what to do. The chickens have come back to roast on both parties for their stupid mistakes. Now the want to unbend what they bent and they cannot do it. They have both screwed our country while they were living the high and mighty life filled with the luxuries of spending our money without a thought of our well being. It was all about them (both parties). Now, they somehow heard us screaming and they see Obama taking this country down…….and NOW they want to fix this……..get back what we had in the 40s and 50s……..but now, it’s impossible. They were just too greedy for too long and now we have a MADMAN in the highest office destroying what’s left of our country, our freedoms and our economy. I hold out little hope for this country now.
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christianUSA
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:26amOpinion: In many other matters of state economics, Constitutional rights, privacy and rules I have found common ground with Senitor Randy Paul but this libertarian position on illegal immigrants, he is forgetfull of oath to US Citizens to represent US first for our needs benifit above and before all foreigners! Not to just follow ones own personal view or family history or convenience or for ones or parties gain; it is a slap in the face to all law abiding Citizens all law abiding immigrants of the past and present! Amnesty wrongly justifies Obama’s and democrats actions. Proverbs 17:13 Whoever rewards evil for good, Evil will not depart from his house. This is wisdom by encouraging wrong behavior it teaches people it ok and profitable to ignor laws; this as seen over and over by past failures in granting illegal immigrants amnesty; it will invite lawlessness and degrade US.
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nilo
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:27amIt amazes me that after you gain a lot of confidence in a person like Rand Paul, they flip out on some position that just blows you out of the water. I think Rand Paul is conceding on immigration. Like you said, we have laws. But isn’t it strange that our legislators don’t want to enforce them. I think Rand is taking the same route that many Republicans are taking, courting the Espanic vote.
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upeopleneedtogetalife
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:27amrangerskippy
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:58am
Excellent post.
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jwpowers41
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:33amNo amnesty of an kind swift deportation massive fines foe employers using illegals and politicians
who voted for it be removed from office
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nilo
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:38amBorder security! Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will never ever again trust anyone who PROMISES and PROMISES and PROMISES to do something about border security. We have laws but they are not enforced. We have law enforcers, but they are stopped from doing their job. What we don’t have is honest, believeable legislators!!!
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naughtycal
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:28amWhat Rand is doing is stating that all politicians will sell our sovereignty,security,and justice for VOTES. Because if he is supporting legalizing and rewarding felons for invading our country then ALL HOPES IS LOST ON WASHINGTON EVER BEING THE PEOPLES GOVERNMENT
It time to look strongly at totally dismantling the union as a country and start looking at a european style continent of individual countries. Where a tyranny will only come into play of the states that want total control governments.
More over it’s time to start handing out warrants for all the politicians that block local offical from carrying out the enforcement that federal agencies refused to do.
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mattmo79
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:37amUnfortunately we all are complicit in this issue since we elect officials who only care about being reelected and have not effectively enforce the immigration laws. So we now have an estimated 11 million people here illegally.
These people are here, how do we deal with them. Can we round them up and send them back to wherever they came from? What is the financial and social implications in trying to do this?
Is it easier to let these people live here? Yep. Do they deserve a path to citizenship? Nope. If we are going to seal the boarders and prevent illegals from coming in, we could offer all the illegals here now green cards with no path to citizenship. They broke the rules and don’t deserve citizenship, however they can work and pay taxes for the services they are using.
Offering amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegals cheapens what it means to be a US citizen. Our citizenship means something that shouldn’t just be given away by our politicians.
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Jaycen
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:42am@Exrepublisheep
There’s nothing new in “a path to citizenship”, so I don’t understand your point.
Doing something new would be to enforce the law. ICE officers say they are not allowed to do their jobs. The problem isn’t that it can’t be done. The problem is the administration keeps the job from being done.
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mtnmancurt
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:05pmI agree completely. Enforce the laws that are currently in place! Deport illegal aliens now! I do not care if they have been here for decades! In fact, if that have been here that long, they have clearly demonstrated zero desire to be an American! Deport them and their entire family!!
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Duke One
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:18pmHooray for Marco Rubio and Rand Paul for trying to find a SOLUTION ! Don’t believe the naysayers. Bush got 44.3% of the Hispanic vote and we can do it again ! Border security 1st.
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BlessednKy
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:10pmI agree with Patty Henry. If you listen to Rand Paul, he is not saying there are no problems. In his interview with Roger Hedgecock, Roger brought up concerns like the Motor Voter Laws and that in CA illegals can get a driver’s license. When they get the DL they are handed a Voter Registration Card. They are on the honor system-when they state that they are a citizen on the form. Rand Paul agreed. That is a problem. The states handle the elections. They need to get ID and verification laws passed. Rand agreed with Roger that there are other issues that need to be hammered out. I join Glenn Beck in the love fest. I STAND WITH RAND also.
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TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:10pm@SICboy I’ll vote for LESSER evil any day.
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FedUpMan
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 4:24pmPersonally the LAST thing I want to hear from a Republican is amnesty. I have a belly full of ILLEGALS that are changing the landscape of America. Three of my family members were rear ended by them and they ran away from the accident and were never caught. I pay EXTRA on my car insurance for uninsured and even UNDER-INSURED motor vehicle. My state REQUIRES auto insurance but for some reason lots of people don’t have it or are vastly under-insured because the state requirements are so low.
Schools have been affected and my neighborhood has been CHANGED, things end up gone. Swat teams have been across the street from me in full gear, shields and all.
And we are just supposed to grin and bear it and get used to it. My sister had a pitched gun battle/war across the street from her house and a bullet even went thru her window, 35 shots fired they think, 2 dead and 1 to hospital, 7 murders within 3 miles of my home in last 7 years. I had this house built for me and have lived in this home for 25 years, NO problem for the first 18 years and now I have to get used to this mayhem. My home’s value went DOWN 50% and my property taxes went up again. Got to feed the govt machine that hands out more FREE STUFF to get the votes of the loafers of all races, who somehow NEVER found a job they could work at.
I know several families whose parents worked but the kids and a dozen of their grandkids found their way onto the public’s dime. This cannot continue or USA will eat itself alive.
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ConserveChrist
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:43pmWe need to make as many illegal aliens LEGAL asap. They are here and are sapping our funds. They are in our hospitals, schools, and on hand out programs. Imagine 11 million people suddenly paying into the system? Well, maybe that last sentence isn’t a good point to make, 48% don’t pay anything. But Rand Paul is our only chance for the future. Not Rubio, not Chisty, not Cruz. And certainly nobody who ran last time around. And please no body keep your fingers crossed for Palin.
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upeopleneedtogetalife
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:56pmConserveChrist
90 million Americans out of work and we have a welfare state!
Romney was right about one thing in the election and that is let them self deport!
No amnesty no way no how! Not happening.
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savagenatn
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:46amFirst of all I don’t give a rat’s ass how long some of these criminal have been here. If they’re here illegally get them the he!! out of here. Any of you sympathetic jerks out there, how would you like it if a truckload full of illegals decided to move into your house while you were gone? Oh well they’re here now so nothing we can do about it?? Nope, not how it works. We need to deport now!! If we never start doing it then of course it will be impossible to get rid of them, but we have to start. Why do our idiot leaders selectively choose which laws they want to enforce?? And trolls don’t bother with the raaaaaaacist speak, I don’t care where the SOB’s are from, illegal means illegal!!
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milez5
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 2:52amThe good news is that Rand Paul will likely never be president. The bad news is that neither will any other Republican, in all likelihood. The reason for this is the demographic shift that has taken place since the immigration act of 1965 took effect in 1968. America was 90 percent white in 1960, and today white people are just under 64 percent. With the the vast majority of minorities voting Democrat it now takes more than 65 percent of the white vote for a Republican to take the white house. In contrast, Reagan won a 49 state landslide in 1984 with 64 percent of the white vote. Republicans have just about put themselves out of business when it comes to national elections and if mass immigration isn’t stopped the whole country will become like California. A flat broke, third world
cesspool,
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Ragnars Repos
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 3:28amHey Conservatives, the problem is your “social(ist) safety net”. You’re not the only humans who want “free stuff”.
It’s not the immigration, it’s the socialism that is waiting for them; the socialism that Conservatives have helped to raise up.
Take the “free stuff” (social safety net) away and you would no longer have an immigration problem.
So, if Conservatives are evil enough to force socialism on the American people, then they get to suffer the unintended consequence of foreigner freeloaders.
Conservatives and other freeloaders are fighting over the loot. That’s what all this is about.
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Pigpen
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 9:12amThe candidates are being groomed! Rand has obviously sold out. (I love his new perm, by the way.) And Jeb Bush is trying to sneak back into the limelight. Hey Jeb, do you remember Ted Kennedy’s Presidential bid? Let me give you a hint: Mary Jo Kopechne = Terri Schiavo! So Rand is selling out and offering himself as another faux conservative like Mitt Romney did i.e. Mormons are conservative. Romney is Mormon. Therefore Romney must be conservative AND Ron Paul is courageous enough to speak of auditing the Fed and questioning the USA’s foreign policy initiatives. Rand Paul is Ron Paul’s son. Therefore Rand Paul must be ready to SELL OUT and get a new perm and no doubt will soon announce what a good friend of Israel he is. (Just like Mitt Romney.)
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ChildOfTheKing
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:49pmNow, is not the time to COMPROMISE with the Dumbocrats, Rand. I am all for giving a TYPE OF AMNESTY to illegal law-abiding people, who have been here over 10 years – give them visas and then 1 year to become a U.S. citizen – GO THRU THE REGULAR PROCESS with no special privileges.
Rand Paul: IT IS NOT FAIR TO ALLOW A FREE PASS TO EVERYONE. It would be like most of the liberals believe: God is not a vengeful God – we are all going to Heaven regardless of whether we are saved or not. WRONG. FALSE. A LIE OF THE LEFT AND THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE.
The truth is, I am all for getting some of these people their citizenship, but do so quicker and using the proper course to citizenship. NO FREE PASSES.
It sounds like you want to give a trophy to everyone, Rand. I love you, but you are wrong on this one.
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ChildOfTheKing
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:58pm@PATTY HENRY: No one wants to round them up. How about this:
1. If you are an illegal alien, you have 30-90 days to SIGNUP for a citizenship process.
2. If you do, you will be given a special visa that will allow you to submit citizenship papers on the fasttrack (learn our history, constitution, etc.). THEN, YOU MUST TAKE A CITIZENSHIP TEST.
3. You will be investigated thoroughly first. If you have a record of any 1 felony, or more than 2 misdemeanors, you will be sent home TO YOUR BIRTH COUNTRY WITHIN 30 DAYS.
4. If you pass all the criteria, you will be sworn in and given a NEW SS NUMBER and be allowed to continue as a U.S. citizen after being sworn in to UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTION.
5. If you do not have this special SS number (actually just a new SS and not a defining number), you will be asked to leave the USA within 30 days, otherwise, you will be branded as a CRIMINAL AND FOREIGN ENEMY OF THE USA AND PUT ON A MOST WANTED LIST.
It all seems very simple to me. I do not want to see anyone who is law-abiding AND HAD BEEN LIVING HERE FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS, even tho they are illegal, being rounded up and ousted. BUT, I DO WANT THEM TO WORK FOR THE CITIZENSHIP JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE DOES. That seems fair to me.
I am so grateful to God for being born here, so I can just imagine how these people feel, fleeing from their own country, wanting the freedoms we have. I DO HAVE COMPASSION FOR THEM.
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RoyBaty
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 1:23pmNot a Rand or Ron Paul fan. Libertarians like the Pauls appear more concerned with drones flying over their farms that the deterioration of our country’s social and economic fabric. Limbaugh or Coulter would be far better than these guys.
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TEOTWASWKI
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 6:28pmI thought Rand was different but I was wrong….another typical run of the mill politician. What difference if you win when you have to become the enemy in order to win.
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flntlok1949
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 11:20pmRickroland, I agree – to a point! the existing laws OUGHT to be enforced – but nobody is going to do it – at least at a Federal level! And any State that tries it faces Federal anger. Paul’s proposals haven’t even been worked our yet and some, are ready to shout his ideas to the curb without seeing their final, worked out, form! At the very least he is proposing very tight Controls on the border and a way to offer legal status – though NOT citizenship – to a number of workers we may actually have jobs for. Now, if these workers are willing to do that work, and US citizens prefer their seemingly unlimited unemployment benefits to working up a sweat in the fields, I say bring in the guest workers – or let the jobs wither away and suffer the consequences of buying more from overseas! Regardless of how many illegals are already here, the main thrust, and the prime point of Paul’s ideas, needs to be stopping any more from just wandering in to see what bennies they can suck from us! Control the border – give visa’s to those already here who are eligible – thus making them legal, employed, and paying taxes, but NOT citizens – and fix the Visa process to allow in only the numbers needed to fill the available job slots! Job done? Bus them home until they are needed again! Better plan, and more chance of it actually working, than any other I have seen!
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SublimeOne
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:53pmHave almost all of you forgot how to listen! He has stated emphatically he wouldn’t vote for any plan. That hasn’t 1st sealed the borders before anything else is done! I’m mean damn! I’m no rocket scientist, but at least know how to listen!
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Goodi3shooz
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:19pmthank you for that… I”m glad I”m not the only one who gets this… people don’t read the whole thing or listen to the whole thing. He said number one is sealed borders. He talked about a one year work visa, then a review, he talked about student visas only with close monitoring, and then having them stand at the end of the line with everyone else… no benefits, no freebies..
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:15amBut but if you send them home…Who will prune the yards of the Hollywood Elite….Who will pick their Grapes for their wine glasses to runeth over…Who Who…….
So the crap bag Hollywood turds sell wine to our women and then tell the women that they need to boot their husbands in the crotch until we all agree to free handouts for their workers…….Movie and Hollywood are dead to me…Dead….adios Scientology and all the crap bag Elite..!!
PS Hollywood Elite…..I dont need you to tell me how to grow a garden, I got that handled and have had it handled for many many years…..I can also rebuild a combustion engine and a carburetor and make it run afterwards, without a Tech school degree……Dont need your input anymore..!!………adios Scientology!!!
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Mil-Dot
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:52amThey have given us that “seal the borders first” crap before in order to get legislation through. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I flat-out don’t believe them. You must be in your twenties or something, still suffering the effects of the public school brainwashing if you believe they will “seal” the border. Ha , what a joke.
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carbonyes
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:01amBelieve it or not there is sum and substance to what Ron Paul is saying. Once again border security first and issuing work visa’s to “workers” here, not just any rag tag vagabond. A person with a work visa is not a citizen and there are many hoops to jump through before one becomes one, including learning and speaking English. To become a citizen, one has to get in line as well. Voter I.D. has to be instituted commensurately – for everyone. The Democratic Party be damned. All they are looking for are votes and passing out freebies to secure them. If the Republican Party takes the upper hand and puts some common sense and some teeth into immigration reform, I truly believe many Spanish people will not only go along with the program but we will acquire a good percentage of votes com them as they tend to be more conservative than many people believe. Romney and the Old Guard Republicans shot themselves in the foot(maybe both feet) with both the message and the lack of fortitude to get the right message out and stand behind it. It can be done but the Karl Roves and company need to be sent packing and Ann Coulter can be sent along with him. She has a habit of changing horses in the middle of a stream – certainly made a wrong pick with Christie and Romney both.
We have got to stop the Old Guard for selecting our Presidential candidates for us. We get sacrificed on their politically correct altar every year. Yes, we have politically correct moderates in our camp.
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tajloc
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:04amSub
Thanks for that!
No way you are going to round up folks and send em back…BUT the “pay a fine” idea is absolute nonsense. Who gets the money? Do you think they are going to give it to you? They are the bad guys. They messed up this issue during the 80′s.
Instead have a family show $2000 in a bank for 5 years…it is their money. then they take an english history test. Swear allegiance to the flag. No crime. No vote ’till citizenship. No money sent to Mex.etc. etc.
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Cavallo
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:34amThe border will be sealed when tax increases are used to pay down the debt… in other words NEVER. It will never happen. The illegals will start to self deport when we start enforcing the law. When businesses and individuals are held accountable for hiring them. It isn’t fair that some of us follow the law, pay hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars to work through and do things legally and still be threatened, all the while having these line jumping diseased jerks cut in line and be patted on the back by people like Rand Paul.
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mtnmancurt
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:11pmFine, seal the border. To me that is a given, but there, i said it. seal the border and deport illegal aliens! ALL OF THEM!!
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BlessednKy
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 3:20pmExactly. I read and listened to Paul. I think his plan is a very good plan.
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Sparky77
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:52pmI love Rand, I really do.
3rd world immigration has already destroyed the United States. More of it, will just further ensure that the total destruction is permanent. Look at California. Look at New York. Look at Deerborn. If you want to look beyond America, look at London. None of them have anything to do with being American, or with being anything 1st world anymore, and they are just a few examples. 3rd world immigration is the reason that Americans, Englishmen, and Europeans are losing complete control of anything that is going on in their countries. A few Western ******* & feminests may be getting some of the things that they want. Woo hoo. Probably too late to do anything.
Light up.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:03pmlegal immigration is a good thing. The lower class people in this country are too lazy to do the hard work the immigrants are doing. The reason for all the illegals is because the government caps the number of work visas (even though they are jobs americans wont do).
If you ask what has “destroyed this country” – i would point to DoE, federal reserve, and political system (R versus D).
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Sparky77
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:14pmSOYBOMB315_II – I used to agree with you. Howevere, one needs look no further than the cities that I previously stated to see that the truth is unfortunately actually that 3rd world immigration is what has destroyed the country, and the entirety of Western civilization, not illegal immigration. Many times illegal immigrants are 3rd world immigrants, so it is easy for theline to get blurred. This is a fact that has not escaped our enemies and they have capitalized on it.
Like I said previously, probably too late now anyway. Light up.
Sorry, wish it wasn’t so. I am naturally an optimist but reality and the facts must ultimately reign supreme.
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WTFHappenedToTheUSA
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:18pmSombom, Too lazy to work….really?
I agree, they are not working, but they are not working because the POS in the big white building in Washington is PAYING them to stay home.
It has nothing to do with being lazy and everything to do with creating a welfare society.
Why work when you get free money and insurance from me and other hard working people.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:25pmsorry – i missed the ’3rd world’ qualifier. It does change things a little bit
Based on my personal experience…I have worked with and played soccer with people who come from 3rd world….They have been great people. It doesnt take a whole lot of english to see that someone is grateful to be here and good spirit. They are naturally inclined to freedom here. However, i would bet the illegals have a different mindset since they are in the underground economy and live in fear. Just my thoughts
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:27pm@WTF
Maybe entitlements have made them lazy….But they are lazy
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Sparky77
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:36pmSOYBOMB315_II & WTFHAPPENETOTHEUSA – I love you guys. I know we are coming from the same place, so please don’t get me wrong here. Just look into the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Before that, since the inception of our beautiful country, only immigrants from Northern & w]Western European countries were allowed to come to our country or the numbers were greatly skewed, by law, in their direction. After that, everyone was welcome. This was a change in the definition of who was legal. These 3rd world immigrants may be great to play soccer against, but they do not have the same stuff as does Western man with regard to being able to build and maintain society or relate to one another like we have always taken for granted. It is why their 3rd world countries always have been and still are 3rd world countries and our 1st world countries are and always have been 1st world countries. Now that you have filled them with 3rd world people, they cannot continue to be 1st world countries. There is just a basic difference in the people. I didn’t design in this way. God did, I just observe it in awe. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
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Sparky77
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:16pmI know this is yelling FIRE! in a crowded theater. I guess even yelling FIRE! in a crowded theater is okay, under our 1st amendment, when there is actually a fire.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:22pmits also legal to yell fire if nobody gets hurt….
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Sparky77
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:39pmSOYBOMB315_II — Good point. Thanks for entertaining some vital, if controversial, discussion.
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:28amsoybomb is correct…..There was an episode of Sunny in Philadelphia that you can Google…it explained it very well, but this is a fact we all know……Its all about enabling and the workers do work hard….I have tutored anchor babies and one in particular who all she wanted was to get a diploma and become something in America, but she died of kidney disease at 21yrs old…..they really come from a hard place and they do work hard when they work.
I say if you want an EBT and marijuana then head to Colorado…..If you are on welfare and deal drugs, ship you to Colorado……they want it they can have it….sorry Colorado…..I mean we invaded Iraqi and made it possible for women to vote for the fist time so I think we can solve this problem
For teachers it may not be about the money, but the quality……I honestly make enough money to travel all over this great nation on my time off and that is really all I want.
Oh and I heard a woman tonight who said she was fired from 12yrs at a pharmaceutical company, she wants to create a movie pilot for Hollywood……I tried it…..one word…Mafia…Mafia…..Mafia….Sorry but at this time this country is controlled by Big School MAFIA..!!
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RIDEMODELS
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:36amObozo is creating a welfare society so he can be the next big Hollywood movie maker, that is why he wants us busy with this, and that is why he does not really care for Jerusalem, he thinks Hollywood is power over the dolts…….he is over the whole friends with movie stars, he wants to own Hollywood and if it seems Hollywood is more and more like mafia, that is because it is……He will own and run them like puppets……But lets not all forget he created the Chevy Volt and that would be Hollywood destiny……..flush movies down the sewer with the Volt….the end.
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christianUSA
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:36pmOpinion: What is not brought up is the gross bias in rules against white European immigration; How much they want to keep this out of general public view by distorted smearing and nonReporting. But what has been done on the hold on all but criminal illegal immigrate deportations? If they now check for illegal status for work why are not illegals leaving for lack of work if this system is working, doubtful? But it seems leftist or liberals do not want our US immigration Laws rightly changed to unbiased equally consider Europeans and rightly prefer people coming here to stay and not criminals or just to free load grab money, bring in drugs then go or send dollars back home. How could such repeated illegal immigrants amnesty or libertarian position for open borders, also nafta, liberal,leftist world gvnm view, not cause voting imbalance in favor of foreign interest!? its not 1700s, much of easy travel motives are not lifetime move but political or temporal greed. The people to the south were and are part of the new-Lands of americas they had and have their land and chance to make their countries as the wish, if they feel it wrong change their own land, don’t want their loser ideas here. Therefore Our representatives should do as Law requires and Represent US Citizen warfare and needs first and not foreigners, and Obey and Equally Enforce the immigration Law or be removed from office.
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RoguePO
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:50pmUse chain-gangs to build a wall on the boarder, brick by brick.
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URDUMB
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:36pmBorder** Board= chalk”board”-skate”board”.. Grammer is important!! You speak English as your first language correct? I want them to build the same walls as Israel has on our “BORDER” :)
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pissantno.10
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:56pmu-are dumb yep and you are and a-s hole
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URDUMB
Posted on March 23, 2013 at 7:49amAn* a-s hole
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:47pmDon’t even give these stupid blondes attention. That is all they want anyways.
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FirstTube11100
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:44pmForcing a White country to accept a never ending stream of non-White people and then “assimilate” them, ie. intermarry is geNOcide, plain and simple.
Say no to White GeNOcide, ie. international crime.
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MistyMountainGranny
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:05pmFirsttube11100 – You are exactly right about assimilation. I’d like to share a story. My daughter and I were there in front of the Capital House where Jan Brewer signed SB1070. About 25 of us supporters were kept separate from hundreds of angry, mostly Mexican protesters by police tape and the bodies of police officers. I was told to go back to Europe when my family line goes back almost 200 years. One young woman tried her best to get my daughter to cross over the line so she could kick my daughters ass. We were threatened repeatedly for expressing our 1st amendment rights. Threatened to the point that when it came time to leave we had to b taken to our cars in an unmarked police van. These people have no idea what free speech is. No respect of our countries laws. They have no intension of assimilating. They are here to regain what they have now been taught. That the southwest belongs to them. And when they finally achieve that goal they will be none too nice to us.
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:13pmMisty…that is so sad. And true that many new Mexicans here do NOT go to church as their elders did, do not have the work ethics that their elders did.
When I was young I lived in El Centro, California, and we really liked the people who came over to work. They were polite and did much hard labor. Their children excelled in school It wasn’t a problem then, perhaps because it was work near their country and they could go back easily? Now they are all over our country, collecting free stuff!!
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MistyMountainGranny
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:43pm@Crazy- Yes I remember those days. Looks like the entitlement mentality doesn’t discriminate!
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Dominican
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:39pmLove u Mr Paul,but you are so wrong about immigration;I’ll give u some tips (from a legal immigrant)
-people that brakes in and is rewarded instead of punish,never really appreciate the greatness of this country and always expects something given to them.
-Let people apply the normal way and wait in line line everybody else;I have relatives waiting for over three years to come over,real professionals(engineers,nurses) that will really work and won’t expect wellfare.
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Wyld_goose
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:05pmright on! You want to deal with a 11 million illegal issue, enforce illegal employment laws and the problem will fix itself over night. No need to spend money in rounding up illegals and deporting. Once you cross Washington D.C. border lines, they just don’t get it any more.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:05pmbeing a legal immigrant – what are your thoughts on allowing more legal immigrants so that the line isnt so long and daunting?
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MistyMountainGranny
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:12pmThank-you Dominican. People like to blur the line and act like we are just a bunch of racists. Even though we support the legal immigrants, such as yourself. No matter the race. I lived for 47 years never being called a racist. Not once. Because racist I am not. All of a sudden I’m a racist because I disagree with the president who called me and anyone who feels as I about Illegal Immigration, an enemy. We are glad to have you here Dominican. We need more like you.
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:22pmMisty: I don’t think most people even know we have immigration laws and quotas, etc. We used to alllow only certain numbers of educated people, etc. Where has all that gone?? Some people should come over more easily who can CONTRIBUTE to our country.
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WTFHappenedToTheUSA
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:24pmDominican, in becoming a citizen, did they teach you English?
Or how to use spellcheck?
Just wondering…
Love you Mr. Paul, but you are so wrong about immigration; I’ll give u some tips (from a legal immigrant).
People that break in and are rewarded instead of punished, never really appreciate the greatness of this country and always expects something given to them.
Let people apply the normal way and wait in line line everybody else; I have relatives waiting for over three years to come over. Real professionals (engineers, nurses) that will really work and won’t expect welfare.
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yiska8
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:28pmI respect legalized immigrants for doing the work and wanting to pride of taking the oath to become an American citizen. They are the ones most disrespected in all of this, then comes the American taxpayer, and then the typical anchor baby who didn’t have a choice about where they were born. The money stolen by illegal immigrants is well into the billions easy. That money could go back where it belongs… the elderly, American veteran care, and border protection. Rand is just about to give up on an issue that has been out of control for such a long time. How can we deport 12+ million illegal, I’m thinking the number is closer to 18-20 million, but amnesty is not the answer. I live in South Texas. It will not work. They will keep coming and our money should not be funneled toward an illegal immigrant rather than to a Korean war veteran who will have worse care than a new momma who popped a kid out on our soil. She’ll get a basket full of freebies (diapers,formula, blankets, pacifiers,vouchers,and even a car seat for the baby) plus ongoing care with a social worker to help get more freebies- WIC,food stamps,phone, and housing. She can have this help offered at several locations at her convenience. While the Korean/Gulf War/Iraq/Afghanistan war vet might get seen by the same doctor and maybe have their needs met. Rand, you cannot worry about getting the vote if the illegal immigrant. Get the vote of the American citizen and new American citizen.
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MistyMountainGranny
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:49pm@Crazy- I don’t think they do either. Frankly I believe this is destruction by design.
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scarydave
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:35amMISTYMOUNTAINGRANNY
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:12pm
“Thank-you Dominican. People like to blur the line…”
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Very well stated and I will venture an educated guess that the majority of Americans feel the same way. I don’t care of their color so welcoming immigrants is easy for me. But there is one little DEMAND that most Americans have… Come legally!
If you do so, we will welcome you with open arms and will stand by your side if ever you need us. But if you come here, and breaking the law is your very first act… Stay the he(( home.
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9KRPMS2K
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:49amGod you are so wrong, which leads me to believe you aren’t really an immigrant…first of all, I’m a first generation Mexican American here, in tough times my mother never applied for welfare, instead she got two jobs. My brothers and sisters all worked our butts off because we knew the only way into college was to either have money or go on scholarships…all of us have attended college on scholarships or our whole family pitching in. I am currently a U.S. Marine stationed in Afghanisan…this is just one example but let me assure you Hispanics pride themselves in working hard and earning their keep…you are either not an immigrant or just plain lying to stir emotion.
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moreoilplease
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:41amI wouldn’t worry to much about that “line” soy. It wont be very long in a few years anyway.
First, there is a good reason for legal, controlled immigration. This is why no other country in the world has open borders like we do. The key to our country, the great melting pot, is assimilation. It’s what made this country the greatest in the world. Open borders will eventually destroy any country.
Whatever they do I would bet anything that it will still be easier for Latino’s to come here illegally.
A giant slush fund, a new voting block, and cheap labor and probably a few more reasons. If they were interested in preventing illegal immigration all along you would enforce at the employer level and they would stop coming. They are not interested, never was, never will. They just lie. Always have about this issue. And GOP et al misrepresents the issue. Oh yea, we are going to round up 25 million illegals, sure we are. The left misrepresents as well. They just pretend there is no such thing as illegal immigration. A child can see that neither side is interested in doing whats right for this country.
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Pat Alexander
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:31pmThis has gone on too long. Seal the borders NOW!
If that is successful, then we can do something about helping the people that snuck in.
Rush had the best idea: Let them become citizens, but no voting rights for 25 years. (Even 10 or 15 would be good.)
Bring this to the floor and watch the Dems drop the push. It’s all about getting more Dem votes. 70% of Hispanics vote Democratic.
I’m not real fond of Ann (The Barbie From Hell) – but she is right here.
Any more amnesty is a death wish for the GOP.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:06pmRush had the best idea: Let them become citizens, but no voting rights for 25 years. (Even 10 or 15 would be good.) Citizens without the right to vote? No slope there. No taxation without representation. A huge segment of citizens ignored because they can’t vote. But they can own limitless ammo clips for their assault rifles to get their point across.” la parte 2 de la merienda”.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:28pmif they were to become “citizens” then they could start taking all entitlements and social security overnight….Do you realize how much that would increase the deficit???
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CHHALL3
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:31pmThey said this is the FINAL Amnesty last time, guess they will do this every 25+ yrs or so.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:28pmNot to worry, Senator Paul, Ann Coulter became irrelevant this past year after she swooned over Christie. Something needs to be done about illegal immigration, instead of rewarding them with benefits meant for US citizens. Either enforce immigration laws or change welfare rules. Either one will make a good chunk of illegals return to their beloved hell-hole.
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Coupe
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:23pmIf the government would stop giving them free stuff a lot of them would leave.
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auntmoxie.com
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:29pmNor would anyone object to their coming over.
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:48pmIf employers would stop hiring them illegally they’d leave and others would stop crossing the border. Mexicans cross the border to get jobs. And there are plenty of employers who are willing to hire them because they can pay well below minimum wage, don’t have to carry worker’s comp, know that if they get injured they won’t try to get compensation and know that know matter how they are treated, they won’t and can’t legally address the issue.
There are a whole lot of businesses that know how much extra money they make by employing, illegally, Mexicans who cross the border rather than Americans (as if there were Americans willing to do many of the jobs Mexicans willingly do).
No, Mexicans aren’t crossing the border for “free stuff.” They come to make money. Sorry, building a big 2000 mile fence guarded by jackbooted government agents at the cost of billions and billions of dollars isn’t the answer. It’s kind of stupid really. You want Mexicans to stop crossing the border? Go after the people who employee them.
Folks, Mexicans cross the border to get jobs and make money. You don’t want them here? Then go after the employers who are happy to pay them rather than pay wages Americans demand and to pay for worker’s comp insurance. Remove the incentive and they’ll stop coming.
You know it’s funny. In my city, the panhandlers are white. The people outside Home Depot looking for work are Mexican.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:06pmCoupe – that is exactly right. That was the main culprit that Ron Paul talked about the in the republican debates. Also, we need to get rid of birthright citizenship (anchor babies) and return to the original criteria, which was having an american mother or father
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:10pmMETEORS…
you’re right but that’s not always the case with low wages.
I was paying Ecuadorian masons and bricklayers $17/ hr in 1995…. Because they were skilled, honest, and reliable… most of the Americans i hired turned out to be pathological liars, alcoholics, or dope-heads that were always asking for their paycheck before pay-day.
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The-Monk
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:17pmHey Send The JZS…
You can reach me here… yahoo e-mail at yoursenseiyoursei dot com.
I invited WangDang but he won’t answer. Will you?
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MistyMountainGranny
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:39pm@Meteor – I must address your “their not here for the free stuff”… I must disagree and I shall tell you why. I lived in Phoenix Az for 25 years. As I was a waitress I have worked with many illegal immigrants. And I do know for a fact that many of the illegals were indeed collecting food stamps and cash assistance and subsidized child care. I have been there when a translator had explain to my boss why the person she was translating for needed a day off to go to welfare dept. Many of the wives don’t work and some even come in to see their spouse and along with their kids are wearing gold and clothes that I can’t afford to buy. In the last few years my American daughter who is a single mom, has such a hard time at the welfare office. Which is filled with those who do not speak any English. So while you have the right to your opinions, I am here to testify.. Yes they are coming to our country and getting all kinds of free stuff. One more example. I went to a parent teacher conference for my 4rd grade grandson. He was not bringing home spelling tests. I asked why not? I was told that it is more important the kids knew the meaning of the word. This is in a class of 80 – 90% Mexican kids. Free education. You may ask “shouldn’t we educate all who come here?” I ask “should we educate all who come here at the expense of our own kids?”
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pissantno.10
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:53pmmetor you are some what right . but if we keep going with your buddies there will be a fence and jack boots but like most communist counties they were there to keep people in not out. studie some history
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SendTheMeteors
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:19pmEastinfection, I’m with you on that. And I’d like people like that to have a way to become American citizens.
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DIR
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:28pm@MISTYMOUNTAINGRANNY
Right on. I’ve heard all kinds of stories like yours and some even more damning. By the way, go to Mexico and see how accomdating they are as to your needs as a US anglo citizen. On the other hand, don’t waste your time. Our needy neighbors know how to game our system. Next time your daughter goes, make sure, the night before, she covers herself in mantan, puts in a phony gold tooth, and speaks like the latino gal on ‘Modern Family.’ She might have a chance at getting a few crums of assistance. Oh yes, have her take in 10 or 15 kids from around the neighborhood and call them her own then tell the welfare worker that they haven’t eaten in several days. She’ll be accommodated immediately. No joke!
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TH777
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:54pm@Sendthemeteors: And who may I ask were doing these so called jobs that “only Mexicans will do” before we were totally invaded by illegals?? Oh my goodness…..it used to be Americans!! Where are your statistics to show that no American applied for these jobs and therefore employers were forced to employ the “only people who would do these jobs which were Mexicans”? I do agree with you as far as going after the employers who hire illegals but please don’t tell me that there aren’t Americans who would be willing do the same jobs that Mexicans are hired for. I have seen many Americans mowing lawns, painting house, doing construction work. etc. I agreed with most of your post until you stated that Mexicans do jobs that Americans won’t. You are so wrong on that point. Americans don’t get the job because they are skilled and are expecting to be paid at a higher pay rate. You are correct in blaming the employer but don’t blame it on the American workers. It all goes back to the employer who hires an illegal simply because they are cheap labor.
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MistyMountainGranny
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:44am@The777 – I would like to ad to your point of Mexicans doing jobs Americans won’t do. I now split my time between Arizona and Idaho. In Arizona the Mexicans are doing jobs “Americans won’t do”. Up in Idaho I find Americans doing those very same jobs. We need to extend the statement from “Jobs Americans won’t do” to “Jobs Americans won’t do for the wage an illegal immigrants will”
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katzkiner
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:40amMeteor, If the whites go over to Home Depot they get knifed. I see our immigration policy as an anti-war policy. If France had our immigration policy in 1939 the German army would have not needed to invade, just roll in and set up shop. Several sites list the costs of illegal immigration @ $330 billion + per year, and we can’t deport 20 million? $ 330 billion each year would rent a lot of Greyhounds. Illegals are 1/3 of our prison inmates. Send them home to. Replace them with employers who hire illegals. Ok, back to the America that has not had a budget for 4.5 years. This will not stop till the EBT cards stop working, that will be the famous SHTF moment. Till then the GOP is through.
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jeffersonian1776
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:06amSo, SendtheMeteors argument is that the biggest part of the problem is minimum wage. Hence, I agree.
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jeffersonian1776
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:08amObviously, the solution is to get rid of minimum wage; illegal immigration problem solved.
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AxelPhantom
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:35amNo offense Misty, but picking cabbage in Idaho in the summer is a far cry from working outside in Arizona in the summer where cabbage can’t even grow because it is so hot. If you don’t see the difference, I invite you to come help us set fence posts in rocky claypan (can’t use a regular auger, bring a pick-axe and lots of water) here in Texas in July for minimum wage.
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:01pmMETEORS…
Yes. Make it easy for skilled applicants to get here. This is the particular focus everyone is missing the boat on because too many elected idiots (on both sides) think Bricklayers and Masons are unskilled.
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VRW Conspirator
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:35pm@Coupe – you are right. The last REAL meaningful immigration reform we had was under Eisenhower. At the time the illegals in the country were increasing and old Dwight got a law passed that immediately STOPPED ALL federal aid for anyone that could not prove their legal status. No education, assistance, food stamps…NOTHING!! and cracked down on employers who hired illegals.
Within 1 year of the law passing, HALF of the illegals in the nation SELF DEPORTED!! nearly 400K people left. Those that stayed were unable to find work legally or qualify for any type of government ID, job, or assistance.
The rates of illegal immigrants into the country also dried up and practically stopped completely within the next few years.
Over the years, the enforcement of the law became looser and looser and nobody cared during the Korean War years or Vietnam War years and the 70′s were so bad people were just trying to survive. When Reagan came to power and tried to enforce the laws again, he did what even he admitted was one of his worst agreements, better enforcement and removal of services for amnesty of the nearly 3 million illegals that had come over in the previous 30 years.
SHOCKER! Tipp O’Neal and the Dems stabbed him in the back and didn’t even attempt to get enforcement back to Eisenhower levels.
Now 30 years after Reagan..we have 12 million illegals and a Socialist in the WH that won’t do a damn thing but amnesty…
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donottreadonme
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:21pmRand Totally misses the point that while the current policy enforcement may constitute de facto amnesty, it is not codified into law, and therefore can change with new leader.
His immigration agenda is one of legal, economic, and political suicide for this nation. Legally it sends the message that there are no reason to obey the law, and only encourage more illegal immigration. Economically, it will formally add hundreds of billions of dollars of unfunded demands on the Social Security and Medicare programs. Politically, it will only produce more Democrat voters, which will virtually guarantee a full socialist form of government will occur, which Rand supposedly is against.
It is a formula for disaster!
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1FreeVoice
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:21pmI like the idea of green cards for illegal aliens… but no line for citizenship. If they came illegally or overstayed their visa, there should be consequences. Being allowed to stay and work is one thing, but not being eligible to apply for citizenship after committing a felony seems reasonable. An exception for children who did not choose to break the law, but were brought by their parents would also be reasonable.
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PrivateSectorContractor
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:21pmLegalize them without any voting privileges or welfare benefits for at least 25 Years.
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KyleD
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:19pmOf course we have de facto amnesty…why say this? Everyone knows it. You’re not saying anything new. Nothing you’ve said means anything.
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justangry
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:19pmCoulter and Rush are essentially saying Reagan was stupid, no?
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pissantno.10
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:24pmno stupid but you would not get if hit you in the head
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13th Imam
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:32pmObama voter
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justangry
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:44pmAre you two saying that Reagan wasn’t the last and only (as far as I know) president to offer amnesty to illegal aliens?
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RonPaulOrNoOne
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:49pmReagon did offer Amnesty…. Stupid
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:13pmif i had a dollar every time 13th imam lied…..
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:20pmRONPAULORNOONE, Reagan did not offer amnesty. He did get snookered into voting on the so called one time amnesty bill by a congress that was completely dominated by the Democrats. I remember blowing my top when he did that. I know that he had to do a lot of give and take with the Dems to get many of the things that he wanted, but he even later admitted it was something that he should not have done, much like the times he signed the bills that raised taxes.
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13th Imam
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:00pmStill an Obama voter
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pissantno.10
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:06pmno reagan screwed up and he did not want his mistake done agin .but the liberals leave that little point out like they do on lots of history. they just change it to fit there needs of the day. and people like you suck it up
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carbonyes
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:09am13TH IMAM,
Still an ignoramus!
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paultard
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:18pmWe need people to work the farms. White people want to OWN the farm and hire Mexican migrants to do the hard labor for nothing. Here’s the truth. They come here for a sub standard wage and NO legal protection. They can be abused but take it because it’s far better here than in Mexico. Why do they get the FREEBIES? Big AGRA needs CHEAP labor & they make sure government provides the freebies to keep their conglomerate farms going.. It’s the truth I see it every day. I live in Florida and it’s strawberry season and who do you think is harvesting and packing them? It ain’t whitey..
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:34pmexactly. Remember, we used to have citizens who were migrant farm workers. Either they became wealthy enough to move up or the government set minimum wages which made their job go to immigrants. Either way, americans are not interesting in those jobs. I love the people who say no immigration – as if the crops will harvest themselves
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:30pmGrowing up in the midwest, in Kentucky, it was kids my age that did the farm work. Putting up hay, growing all facets of tobacco, even picking peppers. There were NO illegals around in the 70′s to do that work.
They only, finally migrated here in the 90′s, which was about the same time kids didn’t want to do farm work anymore. I don’t know where those kids got their money, perhaps from parents that should have known better. It seems to have started when Clinton was in office.
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Walkabout
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:24pm@ Soy
Do you have an answer for Anonymous?
I have detasselled corn, bailed hay & laid irrigation pipe. I have not had to hoe a bean field. I have relatives that have and the last time I have seen it done was in the early 1980s.
Americans can do these jobs & have done these jobs. Many jobs can be mechanized such as getting rid of weeds, detasselling or picking tomatoes.
A solution is not necessarily we need to import farm workers forever & anon. Keep importing people & it will be as crowded as China. Have you been there? I am guessing you have not. How about Europe?
People can pay more for some produce, they can grow more in gardens. It will provide more opportunities for farmers markets. It will raise wages some for native farm workers.
Of course we can just keep wages low to make agribusiness happy. Spend less on produce so we can spend more on this years i-phone, and rinse & repeat with amnesty 4, 5, 6, …
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soybomb315_II
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:22pm@walkabout
so long as we have entitlement state, americans will not do the work you described. If we didnt have entitlment system, americans would be willing to do hard work
So if we are going to have entitlement system, immigrants is the only way our food will be harvested
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Walkabout
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:40pm@ Soy
I am not going to argue that as you may be right (probably are) on that point. It is a matter on of degree on how comfy the system is a s Ben Franklin might say.
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:15pmYou know, WHAT ARE we going to do with them?? Can’t send them all home!! Seal the D— borders and make them all take American History and pass and English and pass and no handouts!!
Somebody has to propose something instead of just ignoring it. He’s correct! If we educate them, they will all be Conservatives instead of idiot dimocrats!
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13th Imam
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:20pmThen why did most hispanics vote the TAKER Party?
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pissantno.10
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:27pmand who does the educating in this county hmmmm. stop hiring them they will go home
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 10:09pmYes, stop hiring and they will mostly go home! But if we offer any path to citizenship, it’s night classes at every local school with GOOD teachers. They get free tuition already, so this shouldn’t be too hard.
I’ll be a lot of Tea Parties would love to teach real history!!
And yes, they are dims now, only because they are uneducated!
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NeoKong
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:15pmWhat happens to these people once they get to Congress because he wouldn’t have dared speak like that during his campaign…?
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lmaehariis
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:11pmWe cannot afford an amnesty for any illegal aliens We are full. Secure the borders, land, air and sea period .
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BehindBlueEyes
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:11pmThe whole melting pot idea has been abused and has reached critical mass.
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normalmom
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:40pmMelting pot was killed when the hyphens came into play. You have too many racists in ALL ethnic groups who say they will disown their child if they fall in love and marry someone not of their own race.
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FirstTube11100
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:47pmTo “Mom”: Self-segregation is natural, or didn’t you learn that in your P. C. indoctrination school?
By the way, “racist” is hate speech used to demoralize a White person.
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IndyNWguy
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:10pmI love Coulter, but she’s dead wrong on this issue.
Rand Paul is getting my attention. When I first heard he was running for the Senate I rolled my eyes. Now… not so much.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:07pmIf Amnesty becomes law then its end game for the Republicans as over 70% of the new citizens will turn to the Democrats.
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Wigglesworth
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:59pmAlso, trillions more(in addition to our already out of control deficit/debt problem) will be added to the debt before we even get to the point when they become citizens.
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IndyNWguy
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 11:20pmI agree it is a gamble to some extent, but if Rand and Rubio were able to generate enough influence on this issue, can you imagine their influence on issues like economic policy, foreign policy, government growth, regulations, and tax reform?
The objective is the restoration of America right? I would argue that the America many think they’re protecting by opposing massive immigration reform is, and will remain, a mere shadow of what our country has the potential to be.
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Lord_Frostwind
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:57amI really haven’t believed the argument that a lot of the Illegals are “closet conservatives” who only support the democrats because they think they are liked. Where exactly are most of the surviving communist countries? Mexicans in particular are pretty big on the socialism bandwagon.
Personally, if we had done what we were supposed to do with the last round of amnesty, we may have been able to solve the problem. The way it looks now, Conservatives have no choice, commit suicide, or die slowly (possibly stalling for enough time to let the Liberal system destroy itself).
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carbonyes
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:37amSNOWLEOPARD, misguided on two points.
1. It depends on what kind of amnesty. We have a major problem with illegals and still have not even come close to securing our borders. Borders absolutely must be secured. First. Those already here? Must devise a plan of simulation, but with enough hoops for them to jump through to become integrated, including getting to the back of the line, making sure they speak and read English and the immigrants and all Americans have voter I.D.’s, it could solve several problems at once. Again if conservatives take the lead resolving these problems, I believe we can win over those of Spanish decent.
2. Last sentence would turn around your 70% figure and probably reduce that to below 50%. We can not just complain and sit on our hands, but take some solid, sound reasoning plans and put them into action. Otherwise 2016 will be here and we will still be in the same boat – sinking.
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1TrueOne55
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:06pmBeing a Conservative myself I have this to say. “Follow the Money” Coulter, Limbaugh and other so called conservative talk radio pundits. They are no only in it for the money but their aim is to get more people to listen since corporate advertising dollars flow to larger radio audiences.
I remember Limbaugh being on late night TV one night.
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pissantno.10
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:32pmi love when you liberals start out as conservitive. do you really think every one is as stupid as you
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Rrddbb
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:05pmAmerica is FULL!!!! We haven’t anymore room for anymore immigrants from anywhere!!!
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IndyNWguy
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:10pmSilliness.
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let us prey
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:11pmRemember RRDDBB they can always keep us locked in with those same borders. I do think that they would love nothing more than a borderless country. IMO
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Eastinfection
Posted on March 21, 2013 at 9:36pmIf we are “full”, shouldn’t we start making abortions mandatory?
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