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Did Pope Francis Secretly Endorse Civil Unions for Gays?

Mar. 22, 2013 12:33pm Billy Hallowell

As the world continues to learn more about Pope Francis’ theological views, there are reports that the Catholic Church’s new pontiff allegedly endorsed same-sex civil unions back in 2010. If true, this would obviously paint a stark contrast to Pope Benedict XVI’s past handling of gay rights issues.

The allegation that Francis issued behind-the-scenes endorsements of civil unions has, of course, made the rounds in numerous outlets. It’s a story that is based on individual accounts of peoples’ previous interactions with the leader and it has not been independently confirmed by the Vatican or by the pope, himself.

The story originated in separate reports by CNN and The New York Times.

As CNN reported this week, Marcelo Marquez, an activist and a former theology professor at a Catholic college, claims that the pope, formerly known as Jorge Mario Bergoglio, phoned him in 2010 to tell him about his views on civil unions.

Did Pope Francis Secretly Endorse Civil Unions for Gays During Argentinas 2010 Marriage Debate?

Pope Francis greets foreign diplomats during an audience with the diplomatic corps at the Vatican on March 22, 2013. Pope Francis called for the Roman Catholic Church to ‘intensify’ its dialogue with Islam, echoing hopes in the Muslim world for better ties with the Vatican during his reign. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

“He told me. … ‘I’m in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,’” Marquez told CNN.

The phone conversation purportedly unfolded after Marquez sent a letter to Argentina’s Catholic leaders, decrying their handling of the gay marriage debate in the country. Less than an hour later, the activist said that the then-bishop called him to discuss the matter.

But, as TheBlaze has reported, Francis has always been known for his fierce opposition to same-sex nuptials. Consider CNN’s recap of just how fierce the Catholic leader’s involvement was in attempting to push back against legalization:

As archbishop of Buenos Aires, Bergoglio was one of the leaders of the Catholic Church’s public charge against legalizing same-sex marriage in Argentina. He engaged in a notorious war of words with the government of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who supported the measure.

Bergoglio put himself in the middle of the fight, calling the proposed legislation “a destructive attack on God’s plan.”

With a front-page counterpunch, the president said the church possessed “attitudes reminiscent of medieval times and the Inquisition.”

Some point to the public battle as evidence of Bergoglio’s traditionalist views.

Just to reinforce how vocally opposed he was, Francis’ comment about destruction and God’s plan was quite extensive, dismissing the law under consideration at the time as an assault that was manufactured by Satan.

“Let’s not be naïve. We’re not talking about a simple political battle. It is a destructive pretension against the plan of God,” he said. “We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

Pope Francis looks on during an audience with the diplomatic corps at the Vatican on March 22, 2013. Pope Francis called for the Roman Catholic Church to ‘intensify’ its dialogue with Islam, echoing hopes in the Muslim world for better ties with the Vatican during his reign. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

But Marquez claims that Francis’ behavior and statements behind closed doors differed from the tone associated with this assessment. The Catholic leader allegedly told the activist that he had always treated gays and lesbians with respect and that he tended to their spiritual needs throughout his career.

And the activist isn’t alone in making these allegations. A former pastor in Buenos Aires, Andres Albertsen, too, claims that Francis once used similar language to describe his stance on civil unions. In a private meeting, he told CNN that the pontiff, prior to becoming pope, was candid.

“In this conversation that we had, he showed himself to be very open, very frank with me,” Albertsen said. “He told me that he would have accepted a civil union.”

A separate report in the Times adds that, despite his public denunciation of gay marriage, Francis posited a civil union solution during a 2010 meeting with Bishops. The report reads, in part:

But behind the scenes, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who led the public charge against the measure, spoke out in a heated meeting of bishops in 2010 and advocated a highly unorthodox solution: that the church in Argentina support the idea of civil unions for gay couples.

The concession inflamed the gathering — and offers a telling insight into the leadership style he may now bring to the papacy. [...]

Faced with the near certain passage of the gay marriage bill, Cardinal Bergoglio offered the civil union compromise as the “lesser of two evils,” said Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer. “He wagered on a position of greater dialogue with society.”

In the end, though, a majority of the bishops voted to overrule him, his only such loss in his six-year tenure as head of Argentina’s bishops’ conference. But throughout the contentious political debate, he acted as both the public face of the opposition to the law and as a bridge-builder, sometimes reaching out to his critics.

Pope Francis (C) arrives for an audience with the diplomatic corps at the Vatican on March 22, 2013. Pope Francis called for the Roman Catholic Church to ‘intensify’ its dialogue with Islam, echoing hopes in the Muslim world for better ties with the Vatican during his reign. Credit: AFP/Getty Images

So, it seems Pope Francis supported civil unions (though not gay marriage) as a point of compromise during a time in which the Catholic Church was embroiled in chaos and a national gay rights debate in Argentina.

Now, as a result of these claims, some wonder if Francis will take the same stance as the head of the Catholic Church — one that would have a profound impact on the 1.2 billion adherents across the globe. Of course, only time will tell how his past views on the matter will be translated and applied to the global stage. And it’s important to note that his view at the time may have been rooted more in keeping the peace than anything else.

The gay marriage law that Francis so publicly railed against was inevitably passed in Argentina and, as the Times notes, more than 1,000 gay couples have married in the three years since its passage.

Previously, TheBlaze explored Francis’ past views on socialism and liberation theology. The gay marriage and civil union discussion is the latest curiosity to emerge concerning the pontiff.

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GuruMeditation
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:02pm
Speaks like a dragon.

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- HOOT_OWL
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:33pm
  So he knows that H0mosexuality is against Gods master plan, but then is OK with civil unions.
  
  Anything that can bring destruction to the ‘family structure’.. Is NOT of God and shouldn’t be endorsed .
  
  If he still believes this, then his thought processes has been corrupted . He’s Trying to please to many people instead of pleasing GOD
  
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- edcoil
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:00pm
  “The story originated in separate reports by CNN and The New York Times.”
  
  Then it is reasonable to assume there is no truth in it.
  
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- firearm
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 4:46pm
  GURUMEDITATION, Have you been talking with him?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:38pm
  RUPTUREHURTS……Stop spreading your cowards’ doctrine…..Nowhere is ‘rapture’ mentioned in the bible, it will not happen….. satan comes first, at the sixth trump…he just got back from Israel….the trump has blown and your rapture theory is blown too. Oh dear…now you’re gonna have to actually read Revelation and find out what happens next. You, baby boy, have not been paying attention. All is not lost, at least you haven’t fallen for Bah Rahk’s crap. not yet anyway.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:08pm
  I think I may have misread Rupturehurts. …Is he saying the second coming and rapture are the same time, or is he talking about a pretrib rapture? If he is, then I stand by my criticism….
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:50pm
  He does not support Civil Union…
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:17pm
  @hootowl
  You said…Anything that can bring destruction to the ‘family structure’.. Is NOT of God and shouldn’t be endorsed .
  Does that include infidelity, divorce, domestic violence, pedophilia?
  Seems many christians and some of their leaders have no problem with those destructions of the family structure.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:50pm
  Marine25 – No surprise that you Marxists are tolerant and accepting of anything anti-Christian but intolerant of anything pro-Christian. And it’s your precious homosexuals who ended up being the child molesters within the Catholic Church.
  
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- Oldmantex
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:26pm
  @ Max – Just currious of your take on 2 Thess. 2:6-8. If that is not the Holy Spirit with holding evil, then what is it? Seems to me that Christ said he had to leave before the comforter (Holy Spirit) could come. He will also be taken out, before Christ return.
  
  So if God takes the Holy Spirit out of the world, and those who are saved are indwelt with the spirit, what happens to those people?
  
  Because the lawless one wont be revealed until AFTER he leaves. So what happens to saved people, who only do good by the spirit that lives in them, when the spirit is removed from the earth?
  
  Do they just become evil? and so are no longer saved? Or is it possible God removed the saved when he removes the Holy spirit from earth?
  
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- Jim S
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:00am
  @HOOT_OWL…the 50% of heterosexual marriages that end in divorce don’t do much for “family structure” either…the asset ownership papers the state provides is not a marriage. There is no dept. of love, honor and cherish at city hall. What other people do in their “marriage” is no reflection on mine. Now if YOUR church allows gay marriages…leave, don’t get upset, just pass on a group that doesn’t share your religious beliefs. One man and one woman brought together thru their faith is a marriage. The co-ownership of assets that the state has always offered requires no love, honor or cherish..zero,zilch…don’t fall into the trap of thinking the two are the same or in anyway equal.
  
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- Platonician
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 8:58am
  Just another anti-catholic hit piece by gay supremacist Billy Hall-0-well, based on CNN unverified rumors…
  Beck should fire this gay boy if he wants the Blaze to stay credible.
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 9:59am
  Hmmm. So the old hardline Pope INEXPLICABLY resigns, and is replaced by a Pope who supports gay marriage? Nope. No signs of an unseen hand pushing forward an insidious worldwide agenda.
  
  [end sarcasm]
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 2:08pm
  Here is an article about the catholic cult that you all just might enjoy http://www.raptureready.com/soap/wasson93.html
  
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- hillbillyinny
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 8:10pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  First, there is no such thing as a “rapture,” a “special coming” of Jesus in the air, not the Second Coming, but a “save the scared ‘saved’” out, before they have to stand and witness for God during the tribulation that the world is bringing on itself!
  
  Second, what are you going to do when you get to heaven and the celebrating that is going on there is suspiciously like the Catholic Mass as explained in the beginning of the Book of Revelation?
  
  Do you understand that Jesus is here, with His Church, through the continuing Sacrifice of the Mass (not re-sacrificed, but rather continuing as the Passover celebration was to be a continuing “remembrance” of the first Passover, told to their children as if the teller was NOT JUST an offspring of the original Jews saved from Egypt and the Angel of death, but rather as explained in Exodus, is to be told using the first person, “I was taken from the land of Egypt, I walked through the dry land of the River Nile, I was fed Manna in the desert, etc.” This is a CONTINUATION (not a “new occurrence” of the Passover celebration, making “God” present to the present generation, even to today, in the same way that Jesus is present today in the Real Presence of Jesus’ Body and Blood in the bread and the wine.
  
  Come to truth!
  
  Alleluia, maranatha!
  
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AmericaMustBeFree
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:45pm
God’s plan.. what was it he told Adam and Eve, to “go and replenish the earth”. God created Eve for Adam.. he did not create George for Adam.. because they would not of been able to create squat. No where in the scriptures can I find where God okayed gay marriage!

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freeberty
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:41pm
Cardinal Keith O’Brien was also against homosexual unions. Looks like the Catholic church doesn’t need any help from the media in making itself irrelevant.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/cardinal-was-in-physical-relationship-with-accuser.20550591

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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:50pm
  The pope is a servant of satan and catholicism is a cult and is in fact the whore that rides the beast in the book of Revelation.
  
  The catholic, mormons, Jehovah witness, Seventh Day Adventist, and all forms of emergent church as well as all unbelievers will be left behind at the resurrection/rapture http://youtu.be/CBsYDhNxFlU
  
  If you are an unbeliever watch this video I made where I explain the Gospel (Romans 10:9-10 & 1 Cor 15:1-4) http://youtu.be/EKdiTn0sPAg
  
  If you are left behind then this video will tell you what to expect next http://youtu.be/gZtmgetrUvw
  
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- Daisy Rose
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:10pm
  This is from LifeSite News
  BUENOS AIRES, March 21, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Miguel Woites, a confidant of Pope Francis while he was archbishop of Buenos Aires, is denying a widely publicized claim that the then-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio suggested the endorsement of gay civil unions as an alternative to “homosexual marriage” during a private meeting with fellow bishops in 2010.
  To see the entire article… http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bergoglio-didnt-suggest-endorsing-homosexual-civil-unions-in-2010-says-conf
  Satan is the Father of Lies. When he lies, he speaks in character and he’s using his good buddies at CNN and the New York Times to help him. He’s trying very hard to discredit this holy man, Pope Francis. Hmmmm…It must mean that Satan’s time is almost up.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:27pm
  @The
  
  You are a bigoted IDIOT….so spew your hate somewhere else you moronic buffoon….
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:53pm
  VRW
  
  I have every right to be here and telling the truth is often offensive. So tell me, what will you do when you see the resurrection/rapture happen right before your eyes?
  
  What will you do?
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 4:15pm
  Rapture, you are setting yourself up for a big surprise buddy.
  
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- firearm
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:01pm
  THERAPTURCOMES, eeeewwww I’m scared! All Catholics think alike you think.lol There are conservative and liberal Catholics. Vatican 2 created to try and appease Protestants has been a disaster. I wish the church could go back to day 1 of the Catholic ( Universal ) church when the Apostle Peter the first Pope created it as Jesus Christ instructed him to do. I have never read where it says in the Bible. Hey if this aint working for you, create the Protestant ( Protest ) church.
  
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- SilentBird
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:05pm
  @THERAPTURECOMES
  
  The rapture refers to the following groups: protected Catholics, holy martyrs, converted Jews, and protestants. William Tapley explains this in detail in his youtube channel
  
  http://www.youtube.com/user/thirdeaglebooks
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:39pm
  RUPTUREHURTS….1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV) Then we which are alive remain shall be caught up together with them in the [clouds], to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
  
  (1 Th 4:17) Air is not used to describe air as in the air around us. In the original language, it means the breath of life also to breath unconsciously. Keep in mind at the true Messiah’s return we are all changed into our incorruptible bodies. Get yourself a strongs concordance (about $30) and look these up for yourself, g109 & g5594 and God willing you have eyes to see and ears to hear. It will change your life and you will not be deceived by the spurious messiah (Satan). There is an old saying “there is strength in numbers” well we know that and so does Satan. If you are one of the elect (God’s favorite and chosen) the majority will be against you in large numbers but you must be strong, don’t let the majority of the world deceive you for it is written many will be deceived (matthew 24, mark 13, luke 21) to name a few. Knowing the truth in these days will not make you popular to put it mildly but would you rather please God and be with Jesus in the millennium (ezek 40) or spend it proving yourself by your deeds for a thousand years because you have listened to mans comforting little stories ?
  
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- chingachgook
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:46pm
  If conservatives do not stop trying to vilify each other then we are surely doom to suffer the consequences. I fear we soon will all see the wrath of the Lord. Let us fight the real enemies of man. Marxism and any name you want to call it Communism Socialism All equal ism all same ism, what ever you try to call it. It leads to totalitarianism and death of millions They have to eliminate God form the equation and that is that. By the way CNN NY times claim the Pope likes civil unions for Homosexuals. YEA That’s believable. Have there been rogue priest yes and they should be rooted out. It is called Heresy.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:59pm
  RUPTUREHURTS…..There are many fine people who are Catholic, and we would like to see them in heaven, but you are judging, and that is NOT YOUR JOB…..Judgement is the LORD’S, and his alone. He won’t like it much if you cause anybody else to stumble.
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:49pm
  Dear Rapturecomes,
  
  I don’t know where to begin but to say that I hope your hatred on the Catholic Church is based on ignorance rather than maligned intent. It truly saddens me to see such hatred on display. Although I know for a fact that many protestant brothers and sisters in this forum are far more rational and charitable than you are let me ask you why express your opinion with such hatred?
  
  Instead of such fruitless attack I invited you to study what Catholics really believe instead of what others think what Catholics believe. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good place to start. Also I invite you to study the history of the early Christian church and you will find that it is very much Catholic:
  
  The Didache (A.D. 70)
  Letter to the Corinthians (A.D. 80) by Pope Clement
  Letter to the Philadelphians 4 (A.D. 110) by St. Ignatius of Antioch, written on his way to Martyrdom in Rome.
  Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 41 (A.D. 155) by Justin Martyr
  Against Heresies (A.D. 189) by Irrenaeus
  
  Among others writing testify that the early Christian church was very much Catholic. However modern heretical doctrines such as the Rapture can be trace to the 17 century and popularized during the 19 century.
  
  Also, I invite you to watch this video that concisely explain the Catholic position about the Millennium…
  
  http://www.catholic.com/video/what-do-catholics-believe-about-the-millennium
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:58pm
  Dear Rapturecomes,
  
  I don’t know where to begin but to say that I hope your hatred on the Catholic Church is based on ignorance rather than maligned intent. It truly saddens me to see such hatred on display. Although I know for a fact that many protestant brothers and sisters in this forum are far more rational and charitable than you are let me ask you why express your opinion with such hatred?
  
  Instead of such fruitless attack I invited you to study what Catholics really believe instead of what others think what Catholics believe. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a good place to start. Also I invite you to study the history of the early Christian church and you will find that it is very much Catholic:
  
  The Didache (A.D. 70)
  Letter to the Corinthians (A.D. 80) by Pope Clement
  Letter to the Philadelphians 4 (A.D. 110) by St. Ignatius of Antioch, written on his way to Martyrdom in Rome.
  Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 41 (A.D. 155) by Justin Martyr
  Against Heresies (A.D. 189) by Irrenaeus
  
  Among others writing testify that the early Christian church was very much Catholic. However modern heretical doctrines such as the Rapture can be trace to the 17 century and popularized during the 19 century.
  
  Also, I invite you to watch this video that concisely explain the Catholic position about the Millennium…
  
  http://www.catholic.com/video/what-do-catholics-believe-about-the-millennium
  
  How to address same-sex marriage with other:
  
  http://www.catholic.com/v
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:07pm
  CALIB
  
  I have studied catholicism and other cults like mormonism, SDA, JW and on and on.
  
  If you partake in the Mass you are worshiping an idol and it is just that simple. I even have studied early catholicism or PROTO-catholicism and I can tell you from my studies, catholicism is a perversion of Christianity
  
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- loneindividual
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 11:41pm
  @ TheRapture
  
  Um…The Catholic Church isn’t the Whore spoken of in Revelation 17.
  
  Lady Liberty fits the description better.
  
  Remember that the Whore (Lady of the Templar aka Freemasons) & the Lamb (Christians) will both be at war with The Beast.
  
  Masons are Luke-Warm (Cuz they always root for the “Underdog”…which is sometimes evil)
  Christians & Jew/Deists/Naturalists (includes some Atheists) are Hot or Cold (many don’t believe in an Afterlife…but still would acknowledge “in principle” the Original/Natural/Divine Authority of God.)
  
  You’re being foolish if you think you know anything about the Book of Revelation.
  
  ps: I’m Lockean Deist.
  
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- Kumo
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:46am
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  My Mother is a Catholic and one of the nicest and most helpful people you will ever meet, I find offense with your statements.
  
  … do you even personally know any LDS (Mormons)?
  
  I do, and while I am a Non-Denominational Christian, my Wife is LDS and I can feel and see with my heart that they are really good people.
  
  Regardless of the lie you are either purposely spreading or falsely believe, LDS are in fact Christians.
  
  Contact and talk with a missionary, they won’t bite and won’t force you to join, you may learn a thing or two.
  
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- Dougsopinion
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 1:46pm
  I kinda have a problem with the catholic church giving advice of any kind on marriage. They won’t allow marriage of any kind for their nuns and priests. The real reason for this, as they used to let the priests marry, is about money. The priests used to get married and have kids, and then the kids would inherit the house and the land and any other thing the priest owned. The church lost a lot of money this way, so they banned it.
  Pre-tributation rapture is a false doctrine by the way. Nobody is going to be secretly whisked away as Jesus himself said that every eye will see him.
  Encinom is getting dumber every time he posts. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
  
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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 25, 2013 at 2:54pm
  @Rapture…
  
  I appreciate your passion. However the way it comes out is insulting and betrays a lack of substance. Have you really study the Catholic Church and the early Christian church? Have you read the 7 letter of St. Ignatius of Antioch, or the letter of Pope Clemens to the Corinthians during the first century (which was revered and use as part of the liturgy for centuries until another pope told them that it was not inspired scripture), have you read the Didache (80 AD)…if you have your opinion would be much different than the one you are professing. Go to the source and not to someone with an axed to grind against the Catholic Church…
  
  Also is the Bible is in the Mass and the Mass is in the Bible…what is the book of Revelation but a book of the heavenly liturgy made present here on Earth during the Mass.
  
  I book that I recommend you about the Mass is the Lamb’s Supper by Scott Hahn.
  
  Please keep me in your prayers!
  
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SubHuman
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:39pm
“The story originated in separate reports by CNN and The New York Times.”

Well there’s your problem. If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.

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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:50pm
  The biggest disagreement i have with the RCC, is the notion that faith in the scripture and the love and acceptance of Jesus Christ’s ressurrection is not enough to be redeemed. They say you must also submit to the Catholic church, and the fallible mortal humans who run it. The doctrine is called ‘sola scriptura’. It directly contradicts the scripture itself. But, then the popes all claim to be able to change scripture and a lot of other things about Christianity, with God’s authority. I don’t believe that.
- Yatahey
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:02pm
  Amen!
  
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- huskerfans6
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:10pm
  ‘But, then the popes all claim to be able to change scripture and a lot of other things about Christianity, with God’s authority. I don’t believe that.’
  
  Max,
  
  Where in the world do you pull this stuff up? When has a pope ever claimed to be able to change scripture and a lot of other things about Christianity? Dude, seriously, quit trying to make claims you clearly no absolutely nothing about….wow.
  
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- fractalman
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:58pm
  Max:
  
  Sola scriptura means “scripture alone” and is a foundational principle of Protestantism. The RCC simply teaches that God is revealed through Sacred Scripture and through Tradition. If you’ll remember, long before the Bible was compiled, the “Church” was conveyed by oral means mostly, and some written means. The practices were handed down and became “Tradition” by which our ancestors in faith came into contact with the divine nature of God, and thus learned more about Him. The Bible wasn’t compiled until the 4th century, A.D.
  
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- pavepaws
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 4:04pm
  The next story will imply that the Pope eats puppies.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:50pm
  HUSKERFAN…….
  The Word of God says:
  Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”
  
  The word of Rome says:
  “The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” “The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ.” -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:54pm
  FRACTALMAN….Thank you I could not have said it better…….The scripture belongs to YHVH, and the tradition is man’s…..trust who you want.
  
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RaydocX
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:36pm
Hate is an attack on the loving God in whom modern Christians have faith.
Accepting the inherent difference of man would have been hard when nothing was known about how we lived and died.
Perpetuating that ignorance as religious canon has in the last century hurt the church’s ability to attract new followers and keep them.

The suggestion that if the Church reverses its position on homosexuality and perhaps even gay marriage would destroy the Church means the present members would leave rather than accept that God wants everyone to be happy and to be saved…

That’s the sort of attitude you get from the Westboro cult.
But never fear, those convinced homosexuality is akin to pedophilia, is inherently wrong, is a choice, and must be eradicated…

i suspect we will see no such revolutionary change in the Catholic church… that this is wishful thinking from members of the church closer to the real world.

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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:45pm
  YOU’D better find out about who GOD is, fella. YOU obviously have no clue. RULES are RULES. DOCTRINE is DOCTRINE. GOD created us all and guess what? HE has the right to tell us whatever HE wants to. LUCKY for us that HE loves us… LOVING US does not mean that we can do any damned thing we want to do…GROW UP. Take your half-baked pinko philosophy somewhere else.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:53pm
  Raydocx….Whatever you tried to say…I did not understand….If you had a point, I did not get it.
  
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- JGraham III
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:04pm
  The Church is told repeatedly in the Epistles (you know, the part of the New Testament hardly anyone ever reads..) to come out of the world system and be separate. What fellowship does light have with darkness and what agreement does righteousness have with unrighteousness? What part does the temple of God have with idols? The whole ‘gay’ thing is all about selfishness and idolatry to the max or so says Romans. Believe it or not. Marriage is a blessing conferred on mankind by God. It will only work they way God designed it to by following the prescribed method… that is to say one man and one woman, led by God. Man has over history had his own ideas about how life should be lived apart from what God has said. The wreckage of history is littered with the “testimonies” of man’s failures. I haven’t heard of one delegation sent to God demanding He change the rules to suit fallen Man that has succeeded in getting God to send a prophet to change what God has said. So man changes the definitions and says that there is no God… As a wise man told me once, “you can change the label on a jar of pickles to say ‘peaches’ but it doesn’t change the pickle on the inside.”
  
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- Just_Us2
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:08pm
  For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
  
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- firearm
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:02pm
  Hi Max
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:03pm
  hey firearm wassup?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:21pm
  Ratdogs….I reread your post. above, now I understand what you were saying……Do you really think that lowering the church to man’s standards rather than lifting up the man to God’s is the way to go?
  you are deluded.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:51pm
  JGRAHAM….Pickles to peaches….I like it….Good post.
  
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Dudley Do-Right
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:27pm
He spoke about same sex adoption, why would he condone civil unions? That doesn’t make sense to me?

Same-sex adoption

In 2010, Bergoglio asserted that gay adoption was a form of discrimination against children who would be deprived of a mother and a father.

“At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God,” he said. “At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

The then-archbishop of Buenos Aires received a stern response from Argentina’s president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who equated Bergoglio’s message with Spanish Inquisition-era persecution.

http://news.msn.com/world/where-might-pope-francis-stand-on-5-controversial-church-issues

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Beachbaby
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:27pm
well, why wouldn’t a pedophile put a homosexual in charge? They have accused God of hate speach. Them demons NEVER change…

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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:01pm
  Beachbaby…….. Romans 9:13
  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
  There are some people who are so nasty that God himself hates them.
  
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- theratzpack
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:36pm
  who accused God of hate speech?
  
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1977
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:22pm
That’s all fine & dandy, but gays don’t want civil unions,they want to destroy the very definition of marriage & won’t stop till they get it. They want to be treated equally,until it benefits them to be treated differently,then they want special privileges.

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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:36pm
  WHAT DOPES these gays are. NOT only do they try to insult most of the population with their outrageous antics in public… not acceptable in any society, but they LIE TOO!!! They want to use the word MARRIAGE which has ALWAYS meant a union between a MAN and a WOMAN instead of coming up with their OWN word and then, with their soapy TV spots, they try to “SHAME” the rest of Civilization into doing thing their way but saying “I got married and I want my brother to have the same joy too” …well, dudes, IF your brother were marrying a WOMAN, he could. That’s like saying
  “I enjoyed my night at the theatre, and I want my brother to enjoy his night at the dump too”. WE cannot judge…that is true…we must not and cannot, and we have to love everyone (the person) just not what they do…okay, I’m okay with that…but do NOT try to SHAME me into going along with anything/something I know is WRONG.
  
  THE POPE is not in favor of GAY MARRIAGE. HE, of all people, Understand that it’s NOT GOD’S WILL and all the POPE is – is the Earth person to insure GOD’S Will be done. WHEN some of these people get older and realize HOW VERY SHORT LIFE IS…they will FINALLY understand the fact that our Catholic Church is the SAME TODAY, TOMORROW and YESTERDAY and that is great… we can’t have anything that jumps around the moral compass and be able to rely or trust in it.
  Their greater problem is going to be lying about what the POPE said. Uh-oh.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:04pm
  This pope will jump right in the taxi with Bah Rahk…..That is my prediction. I give Bah Rahk 2 months before he goes to Rome, or maybe francis will get to washington.
  
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- BARRYS_BEARD
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:25pm
  Up The Irons!!!
  
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- FISH_BONE
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 4:18pm
  Up The Irons! Indeed. Nothing better than Maiden.
  
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jackact
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:22pm
As the MSM gears up to shove its progressive gay marriage agenda down the Catholic church’s throat keep in mind that in Rome only one Catholic Church still exists. Led by a competent new Pope.
It is here, affected by bog Irish Kennedy influences of the 20th century, that the Catholic church has a second, morally challenged following. Althought millions of American Catholics follow the tenets of the church strictly, the Northeasten corridor is awash with ‘convenient’ Catholics.
To hell with them …..and their liberal media.

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BARRYS_BEARD
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:17pm
Where can I get one of those nifty skull caps Francis is wearing? And do they also come with a propeller?

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- woodyee
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:31pm
  Here – http://www.birthdayinabox.com/accessories/hats/miscellaneous/durashape-propeller-beanie-49160R.html?code=affiliate&PID=WUqD6wTpSTg&siteID=WUqD6wTpSTg-ATwap7Dq6bNdrtNE6W01FA
  
  Knock yourself out.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:33pm
  I’ve been told by a Catholic man that his does come with a propeller, and he flies around till his worshiooers turn to gold, then those guys in the funny clothes go pick it up and bring it inside. I did not believe him.
  
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- BARRYS_BEARD
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:18pm
  Thanks WOODYEE. I think I’ll order a dozen. Now I just need a robe.
  
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- firearm
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:16pm
  Hi Max, who was the nut?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:13pm
  Ruptured boy?
  
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- theratzpack
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:41pm
  Rabbis also wear this cap. No comments about Jewish rabbis?
  
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- Dougsopinion
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 1:56pm
  @rapture comes: Please show me in the bible where it says that if I don’t believe in a pre-trib rapture, that I won’t be going with Jesus. Linking SDA with the catholic church is another false statement, as they believe the catholic church fits the description of the beast. Since judgement begins at the pulpit, how do you think you will fair standing before God?
  
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woodyee
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:17pm
In 2010, He was absolutely adamant on the impermissibility of homosexual marriage, stating:

In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family…

At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.

This is not simply a political struggle, but an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill but a move of the Father of Lies, who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

*source – http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/pope-francis-on-homosexual-unions/

Sorry to burst your bubble, Billy m’boy…
*Thank you, CaitlinsDad!

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- encinom
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:30pm
  Funny thing, God’s law is not the basis for US law. American laws and the rights are defined by people. Your backward religious views have no barring on my rights or on how others are treated under the law. Once christian fundies learn that they are not special and that their misguided beliefs do not deserve special treatment the better we will all be.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:57pm
  ENCINOM….Will you ever quit pipin’ in on subjects you know nothing about, ever?
  
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- Just_Us2
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:12pm
  encinom is just waiting for bestiality to be legalized. Keep your pets indoors when he’s around.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:14pm
  Poor Maxi Pad, part of the dying generation of bigots, I believe he is going senile. The bible is not a law book, the laws of the Nation are written by men, the rights we enjoy are defined by men. there is nothing divine in the goverance of the SECULAR REPUBLIC the founders left us.
  
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- firearm
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:29pm
  ENCINOM, yeah the Protestants yell about the Popes because there never was a Pope Ben Franklin.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:42pm
  ENCINOM….The laws of this land are now in a decadent state, and like your moral condition will very soon be irreversibly shown to be completely irrelevant…..between the radical left and the radical spenders in govt. we won’t be able to save this nation….self absorption brings personal debasement and perverted lifestyles bring disease and hardship. You make up your own moral code, and discard 60 centuries of hard won lessons. totally, completely and absolutely foolish.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 6:48pm
  Firearm protestants still remember the inquisition…………The vatican should have been impeached for that.
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:23pm
  Oh, come on Max. I won’t bring up the Salem witch trials if you don’t bring up the Inquisition. Evil is evil, but Christ’s Church is alive and well.
  
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thara
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:16pm
Sounds like he’s is fitting in as the prophesied last pope.

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- johnthebabtist
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 11:00am
  yes, indeed, it does sound that way. gerd your loins pal the big one commuth.
  
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Detroit paperboy
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:13pm
Most of the priests are closet homosexuals………..so, no big surprise here…..I was raised catholic, went to catholic schools…I consider it a cult, more interested in their financial holdings than much else…not to mention completely infiltrated by progressives,,,,,,,oh yeah, is the pope still considered infallible ? What a freak show……does anybody still buy what theyre sellin….NOT ME…..but those guys sure do wear some really pretty DRESSES….

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- sparkyrules
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:35pm
  I was also raised a Catholic,including schooling through 9th grade. Confirmed.I learned from Nun teachers about math,english,science ,USA history,and religion. We lived right next door to the Church and school.The rectory went through 4 priests during my formulative years and never did anyone of them show any homosexual tendencies toward me or my 3 brothers.Or anything sexual with my 7 sisters.Father Murphy thought he was a drill sergeant sometimes and he and my older brother actually got into a fist fight one day.Fr.Murphy was promptly removed to another Parish.
  I had a mostly wonderful experience practicing and learning from this religion.But I saw the hypocrisy from ‘some’ people/members as I got older.Blatant sinning and then going to Mass and to confession to absolve those sins.
  I had a hard time with that,besides dealing with my own sinful nature when young.I could’nt accept the body of Christ anymore.I was unworthy,in my mind.Public schools,the late 60′s-early 70′s and the real World changed my perspective.I never went back but the Catholic religion is the close-est to God a person can get.In my semi-agnostic opinion.I just can’t come to terms with it all after all these years.Yet.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:04pm
  I too have a problem with the hierarchy of the RCC, and I wonder if they confess their sins to each other honestly. They “OATHS” of celibacy and some to poverty. If those oaths are voided by conduct, are they trustworthy, at all? Celibacy and poverty are both non-scriptural, as well as so cruel that they can only be kept as “appearances”. It’s like they set themselves up for failure, after all, they are just men.
  
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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:06pm
  Sparky,
  
  Your sinful nature is no worse or better than any other human. You are loved beyond your ability to comprehend it.
  
  Confession of anything that is against God’s will for you can only HEAL you. I will pray that if you get to the point of coming back that you find THE BEST confessor ever. Someone who will help you understand that it is not sinning, but THE TRYING not to sin that counts.
  
  If you get yourself up every time you fail and you try, if your heart wants communion with our Lord, and you truly want to keep trying, then that is all you need.
  
  Divine Mercy Sunday is the Sunday after Easter. He’s waiting for you to say “Jesus, I trust in you.”
  
  God Bless.
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:25pm
  Beautifully said TradCG. God bless you.
  
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- sparkyrules
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 2:27am
  I’m trying.Thanks Tradcatholicgirl.And Max Jones..God Bless
  
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barber2
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:09pm
Anything reported by the NYT I would seriously question. The NYT has printed numerous article and opinion pieces with a serious bias against the Catholic Church. The comments by readers are even more critical. The NYT is a mouthpiece for the International Left and its local franchise, the Obama Administration. Zero credibility on this topic.

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:18pm
  The NYT is a cultural changing, tradition destroying, I want to rule your life, Jewish run progressive tool. No secret. Someday the sleepy will catch on.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:28pm
  barber,…..Did you ever hear of the Laodicean church? One of the five that Jesus disapproved of?
  The RCC is destined to BE that church in the end times….the term catholic means… everybody’s church. to fulfill that, The RCC must embrace all the “new social tolerance”. The days of actually standing for the precepts of Christianity is over. May as well go back to the paganism where it all started.
  If you are not afraid of history, look this stuff up, for yourself.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:36pm
  JERKYBOY….Someday the sleepy will catch on. Maybe, son, but you never will.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 4:31pm
  MAX: You sure like to mention that little able. Jesus was not into the heresy business . The church was established AFTER His death and resurrection. You have been fed just enough baloney to spread it . You are definitely our Catholic Church Lefty Troll.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:24pm
  Barber….How you doin’? I’m a troll now? Ok. whatever. I stick to the scriptures, that’s all. And I really don’t have any problem with Catholics. I do however find the vatican an unholy cabal.
  At least, you guys are Christian in your hearts, I just hope the coming Apostasy is apparent enough, that most of you will see it for what it is. I have hope that God given intelligence and discernment will bring revelation as to the real nature of the hierarchy of the vatican. I know its got to be bad to hear about it, and You are really civilized about it,.
  I was born into a Catholic family, altar boy(no molestation). But I was never encouraged to read the bible, or to learn anything about the old testament. The gospels are a good foundation, but the rest of the bible is very important, too.
  I’d love to see all catholics free of the restrictions and purposeful secrecy of the vatican.
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:32pm
  “I’d love to see all catholics free of the restrictions and purposeful secrecy of the vatican.” Huh, Max? There may be some corruption, but there’s corruption everywhere. Remember the Baker’s; was it Jimmy & Tammy Fay? I appreciate your great concern for the Catholic Church and rooting out corruption, but not spreading lies that the Catholic Church is evil. This is exactly what Satan wants — to divide people of light. We must unite! God bless.
  
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:03pm
A civil union is way different to the “church” than a sacred, blessed marriage. In the eyes of the “church” a civil union even between a man and a woman is NOT recognized unless and until it is Blessed by the “church”. If you get a legal marriage by a judge..to the “church” you are NOT married and are living in sin. So, for the Pope to say yes to a civil union means they are living in sin anyway so what does it matter just another sin + sin = double sin. The “church” still is NOT going to recognize these people as married.

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- sparkyrules
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:14pm
  Ditto.A civil union is mans law and provides equality under mans law.Marriage however is reserved for 1 man and 1 woman under Gods law.
  
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Walkabout
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:00pm
Gay marriage is like the Eurozone. They would dun countries like The Netherlands, Ireland, England & Denmark every year about adopting the Euro. Those who did not adopt the Euro were cavemen.

Finally in the middle of the 1st decade of the 21st century they get the Eurozone. Shortly thereafter the Eurozone starts imploding.

Gay marriage is no different.

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chucksue351
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:55pm
catholism at its best

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- Bonnieblue2A
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:08pm
  It is one of the few things to come of the modern Vatican with which I see being truly brilliant in the protection of the sacrament of marriage.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:41pm
  Bonnieblue….That was the only thing holding it back from “false prophet” material’
  
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- theratzpack
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:25pm
  yeah if you’re foolish enough to fall for this garbage.
  
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Cavallo
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:53pm
Get government completely out of marriage. Let churches and private individuals institutions, and businesses decide what to accept or reject. Freedom has never been an objective of the Gay Marriage movement, though. Just the opportunity for them to use force to demand acceptance of their deviant lifestyle.

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- vaman
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:02pm
  Your stupidity is shocking and based solely on wrong information and plan backwards thinking and let’s not forget the big one…obvious, outright hatred.
  
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- may40
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:05pm
  You can’t do that because the gays will begin to sue churches if they believe it’s sin (which it is in the Bible). Unfortunately people pick and choose what they like in the Bible. An abomination is a pretty harsh word and the Lord uses against this lifestyle. It goes directly against His plan for the human race. Not only in the Old Testament but Romans 1 has some of the strongest words against the lifestyle and those who agree with it.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:10pm
  Truth hurts, fascist.
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:15pm
  @Van, I do hate. I hate fascist government thugs. State worshiping cockroaches, like you, are sickening and twisted vermin looking to use the threat of death to force yourself on innocent families and children.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:23pm
  Bible based bigotry at its best. Eating pork and shell fish, as well as planting different crops together are also abminations. Nor is there any movement to sue churches. But in all honesty the bigotry is dying with the senior generation. Their children have seen them for the fools they are and are ignore the old small minded thinking. The bigotry is being bury in the graves with them.
  
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- Just_Us2
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:27pm
  encinom – Don’t let anyone tell you who to love…..be it your sister…her dog….her husband…your dad….it ain’t nobodies business!!! Wow you are one fantastic freak show full of bitterness and hate. Your posts are like a car wreck…you just gotta slow down…shake your head and thank God it is not you.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:51pm
  Posted on October 18, 2012 at 9:05pm
  
  “For this cause will God send upon them a great delusion, that they should believe a lie….”
  The ’cause’ is to get the left exposed for what they are; murderous anti-Christians.
  Somehow, these people are going to get organized, and really start to believe the great evils in their undisciplined lives, are actually caused by Christians…..like homosexuality would magically not be deviant if Christian people would not point out that God, himself, called it an abomination….or that abortion would not be murder if Christians would not maintain conception as the start of human beings. I did not say these people are deluded, God does, and takes responsibility for it.
  There was no written law, when Cain slew Abel, but the Lord called it murder, nonetheless. Cain ‘spiritually’ knew it was wrong. Ecclesiastes teaches us that there is nothing new under the sun. Human nature and the nature of God have NOT changed. Not one jot.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:04pm
  Cavallo…. the constitution says all have certain rights, except the right to keep the country’s blessings.
  The farther we get into this uber-secular degeneration, the worse the conditions in this country will get. The godless don’t have any idea where this country’s blessings came from, and so have no reason to preserve them. Soon the words on our coins will have to say “In Bah Rahk we trust”.
  
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- Wisdom7
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 9:37am
  @Encinom
  
  I noticed you love to repeat the “Eating pork and shell fish, as well as planting different crops together are also abminations” line.
  
  Do you even understand why? The reason for not eating swine, fish without scales, animal fat, blood, and so on is to protect one’s health. I’m sure you’ve heard of heart disease, allergies, foodborne illnesses, parasites, and so on. It also comes down to what those creatures digest. For example, pigs and catfish are scavengers by nature. The reason for the crop rules comes down to the nature of plants, not to deplete the soil, share the harvest with the poor, and prevent crop disease. These statutes were given for a reason. The body is where the soul dwells. What you do with it is up to you, but the Bible provided guidance to take care of it long before Michelle Obama, Bloomberg, or doctors of today.
  
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moon8
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:52pm
Bergoglio didn’t suggest endorsing homosexual civil unions in 2010, says confidant of new pope

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bergoglio-didnt-suggest-endorsing-homosexual-civil-unions-in-2010-says-conf

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- Red Meat
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:59pm
  This is just the Godless sodomites at the Blaze trying to
  throw dirt on the Catholics.
  
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USAOneNationUnderGod
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:49pm
Reminds me of the story of Moses allowing divorce because of the weakness of his people and “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God”, but we see how well divorce, contraception and abortion are working out in our society (sarcasm). God help us and God bless Pope Francis I.

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uncleherbert
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:48pm
I agree with Francis, I’m not catholic. He stands for the individual not the collective!

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- Bonnieblue2A
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:06pm
  In this instance he stands for G~d’s law not being sullied by man’s law.
  
  Matthew 22:21 does not only apply to money/taxes. It applies to keeping separate man’s law from G~d’s law. By pointing out the distinction of civil unions the Pope protects the holy sacrament of marriage from man’s law (a.k.a. Civilization).
  
  2 Corinthians 6:17
  
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- barber2
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:10pm
  UNCLE: Bingo. And the ” collective” radicals are targeting per usual.
  
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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:43pm
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So it’s Ok for the ****’s to marry but not a preist?……

I guess it would be kinda hard to explain to the wife about the altar boy……..

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- Bonnieblue2A
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:49pm
  Civil unions are NOT marriages. Marriage is a holy sacrament ( contract of a couple with the most high). Civil unions are a contract with the government. Do you understand the difference? Government is not G~d.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:54pm
  @BONNIEBLUE2A
  
  I’m married and I’ve certainly made no contract with a higher power.
  
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- Bonnieblue2A
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:16pm
  @ _IS_NOT: If your marriage was performed in a church by an ordained minister/priest who is not a false prophet it is indeed a contract with the most high. You seem to fail to understand the distinction between the holy sacrament of marriage and civil unions performed by government employees.
  
  I’m not even Catholic and I can understand the distinction. Why can’t you? Words have meaning. Marriage is a holy sacrament. If you are an atheist you did not participate in the holy sacrament but rather use the word “marriage” inappropriately in order to muddle the distinction between man’s law (government/civilization) and G~d’s law.
  
  Now, blaspheme to me no more as you will get no response. This response was for the benefit of those who do not understand and not those who deny the existence of the most high.
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- NHwinter
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:21pm
  God_Is_Not – For Catholics marriage is a Sacred Vow to each other before God. Your marriage is whatever you want it to be. What’s your point? Believe whatever you want, no one is forcing anything on you.
  SpankDaMonkey – The priest scandel is getting old. There is more abuse in other denominations that is never reported. Time to let that go.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:43pm
  Actually GOD_IS…you have made a contract with God, you just don’t like to see it that way. He blessed the union between a man and a woman whether you like it or not. He did that a looooooong time before you got married. Your spite against it doesn’t change it.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:50pm
  @BONNIEBLUE2A
  
  My marriage is between me and my wife; not any gods; or governments. It was not in a church either.
  
  I also don’t accept your percieved authority over the definition of marriage. It’s not that I fail to understand; I simply don’t accept you’re right to tell me who my marriage is between.
  
  @NHWINTER
  
  When someone makes a claim, I have a right to refute them. What’s so hard to understand about that?
  
  Do you have any evidence for this claim? “There is more abuse in other denominations that is never reported.” Or is this simply rhetoric?
  
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- fractalman
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 3:25pm
  I am a Catholic and when all the clergy abuse came out into the light of day, our diocese took action and all the laity that worked within the Church were put through classes of different types. One of these was a presentation by an insurance industry actuary (no ax to grind, no ox to gore) who laid out the statistics. For any given year, the incidences of pedophilia reported to authorities is plus/minus 1% for any given group, whether that group is clergy (Catholic, Jewish, Protestant), teachers, lawyers, atheists, etc. There are most certainly unreported cases but those are probably decreasing, hopefully, in this day of greater awareness that victims aren’t alone.
  
  So, the Catholic Church is what it is, a divine institution that is run by sinful humans who are doing the best they can and seeking God’s guidance and strength in their lives. I remain a devout Catholic in spite of it all because I know that there are far more good people, clergy and laity, in the Catholic Church that are trying to lead holy lives.
  
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- NHwinter
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 5:55pm
  According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix] Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]
  
  In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources. The conclusion: “Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.”
  
  Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.
  
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- God_Is_Not
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 7:05pm
  Thanks NHwinter. Interesting information. If true, this needs to be better understood by the general public.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:25pm
  GOG_IS -NOT……..You will most likely fail.
  
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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:12pm
  Fractalman,
  
  Good post.
  
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caitlynsdad
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:42pm
Jimmy Akin at the National Catholic Register explains what’s going on here.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/pope-francis-on-homosexual-unions/

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- Caleb-Texas
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:05pm
  Just look at it and it is great article.
  
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Bonnieblue2A
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:38pm
Civil unions are a product of government. Marriage is a sacrament. If the pope endorsed civil unions he is right as he protects the sacrament of marriage to be between a man and a woman only, IMO. YMMV

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- Melvin Spittle
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:44pm
  To endorse civil unions is an endorsement of sin. If this story is true I am afraid it is another sign of end times.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:40pm
  Can’t wait to hear you comment on civil marriages. I am a small town Mayor and have performed many a civil marriage, no deity required.
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:40pm
  Yes, but intimacy was expected only between a man and his wife. Everything outside of marriage accepted by God is deemed to be ‘fornication’ or worse.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:38pm
  Bonnieblue my wife and I were married by a judge. And there has never been a more sacred and holy joining of two people’s lives in the history of the world….. we are blessed and are thankful. Its been 14 years and we are happier with each other, as time goes by. We know that we were joined by God. And we did not need a priest or a church building.
  
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- begreen
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:34am
  Max jones
  Don’t be a fool the devil hates all thing Godlike Especially that offer from good priest.
  http://www.catholic.com/blog/christopher-check/the-devil-hates-priests
  
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- USAOneNationUnderGod
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 1:20am
  Excellent article begreen. Thanks for sharing.
  
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woodyee
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:37pm
This is bolshevic bolchite.

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