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Atheists Seek Removal of War Memorial Honoring Fallen U.S. Vets

Mar. 22, 2013 8:23am Billy Hallowell

The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) is, once again, going after a memorial aimed at commemorating American lives lost in a combat zone. A Vietnam display in a park in Coos Bay, Ore., is the latest target of atheist activists who are committed to church-state separatism.

The memorial is comprised of a cross design, with a placard on its base. As is typically the case when a religious symbol is included in a memorial, the FFRF is claiming that the cross’ presence is unconstitutional.

As KCBY-TV reports, the atheist organization recently sent a letter to City Manager Rodger Craddock, calling out the cross as problematic and charging that it is an “endorsement of Christianity over other religions and over nonreligion.” The FFRF wants it immediately removed from the park.

“It is unlawful for Coos Bay to display a patently religious symbol such as a Christian cross on public property,” the letter reads, in part.

Currently, the city is reviewing its options.

“The city received it (the letter) and we passed it off to our city attorney to review that and relevant case law,” Craddock told the CBS affiliate. “Obviously these issues are happening around the nation.”

FFRF Seeks Removal of Memorial Honoring Fallen Vets in Coos Bay, Oregon

Photo Credit: KCBY-TV

The memorial has been in the park since 1972. It was originally sponsored by Western Bank and the Bay Area Jaycees.

The FFRF is giving the city an ultimatum: Either change the design or move the cross to private property to avoid a lawsuit. Residents will discuss the situation at an April 2 public meeting.

Atheist activists have frequently taken on war memorials, claiming that crosses and other religious symbols are unconstitutional when these commemorative displays are assembled on public property. A similar case was waged last year in Rhode Island.

(H/T: KCBY-TV)

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john vincent
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:22am
Since 1972 this monument stood un-attacked, now the ‘new and improved’ elite mob say its time to ‘tear down those wall Mr Gorbachov!’

If I had to defend the ‘right to stay,’ I would call to the stand the thousands of people who found some kind of solace at that spot, and have them speak to common sense and reason, maybe even mention the Creator who gives them comfort in the midst of such devastating loss, and have somebody stare into the eyes of the slick attorney’s and ask:

‘Have you sir/ma’am ever served your country as we?’

‘Do you have any idea of the weight of the pain of losing a loved one, in this way?’

‘Have you ever gone to a place to find repose?’

‘Why do you want to take from me that which gives me hope?

These people need to hear from the commoners, folks who know a symbol is no threat to freedom, and one that does not promote ‘church and state.’ The sheer presence of ‘they who have lost’ will be a silent testimony that speaks louder than any oral argument.

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- DadRocked
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 11:26am
  Arlington Cemetary is owned by the Dept of the Army.
  Crosses abound there…
  By this logic, it is time to remove them all…
  
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- BloodSweatandTears
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:05pm
  You don’t even have to go there…The separation of church and state issue is to protect the religious beliefs of the people from the over reach of the government who might like to set up a state sponsored religion. This is an issue of gross ignorance by many and redundant pressure from atheists. Reread Thomas Jefferson’s words and spread the truth.
  
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- StonyBurk
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:30pm
  Never been to Coos Bay –but I have read the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and more than a single commentary –I do recall the Justice appointed to the US supreme Court by James Madison -the guy who graduated from Harvard and helped start Harvard Law– Justice Joseph Story in his Commentaries on the Constitution,1833 (third edition,1858 preface) did say that metaphysical refinements were out of place.. . the US supreme Court in 1905 decided a case that “The Constitution is a written instrument,as such it’s meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted it means Now.” And The First Amendment adopted by Congress Sept.25,,1789 didn’t say squat about no Govt. endorsement of religion-the terms used declare Congress shall make No law respecting an establishment of religion,nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” Does not say nothing that can be construed like the bloody enemy in the FFRF suggest it says. The US Congress in Reports of committees 19 Jan.1853– Mr.Badger– Us Senate Judiciary Committee and 27 March 1854 Mr.Meacham , US House Judiciary Committee report both discussed the meaning of the”Establishment of Religion” and their commentary–like that of Joseph Story CANNOT BE reconciled to the crap by the FFRF. Keep the Memorial –Exile the enemy in the FFRF.for as John Witherspoon in a sermon honoring a proclaimed fast day declared “an avowed enemy of God ,I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country.”
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:52pm
  -dad
  pretty darn goodl
  
  -bs&t
  -’protect the religious beliefs…’
  well played
  
  -stony
  solid, well thought out, nice work, tkx
  
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- JGraham III
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:02pm
  The FFRF needs a taste of their own medicine I think. They are heavy into bullying and not so much into the truth. Other posters have said again and again when these cretins raise their ugly heads that the Second Amendment also says that Congress cannot legislate to ‘…to prevent the free exercise thereof’.’ The FFRF and the ACLU are not about protecting rights or liberties but all about shoving their own definitions down the throats of any and all who oppose them. They are cowards because they hide behind the black robes of the Judiciary rather than Congress. Congress can constitutionally remove any issue they deem appropriate from the Court’s authority to deliberate.(good luck with that one..) Preventing the free exercise of beliefs the FFRF doesn’t like is what the real issue is. If the people of Coos Bay decide to ‘disobey’ the big bad FFRF and the sheriff decides to not enforce whatever ruling the FFRF hopes to gain, things might actually get to where some real substance in this smoke screen “separation of church and state” argument is shown. I’d like to see some Christians in that area file a class action suit against the FFRF claiming their actions have violated the rights of Christians throughout this country as the FFRF has willfully and deliberately with full knowledge sought to deny their 2nd Amendment rights.
  Furthermore, “civil rights” are what the government confers or denies: Constitutional rights and liberties are above civil rights in authority
  
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- Dan_o
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 1:21pm
  “It is unlawful for Coos Bay to display a patently religious symbol such as a Christian cross on public property,”
  
  Should be easy. Show us the law. Whaaat? You mean there isn’t one? Then GO AWAY atheists.
  
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- Kaoscontrol
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:09pm
  Generally when something’s got a “Half moon on it” it’s a place to go and take a dump… An Outhouse.
  (I assume you meant CRESCENT moon as in “Islamic”– and the international symbol used on outhouses throughout the world…not that there’s much of a difference)
  
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- dmerwin
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 3:15am
  Are you kidding me? Are there NO other religious displays in this cemetery or any other cemetery in Oregon? I remember a group of civil war era graves in Eugene just across the street from MacArthur court in the 1980′s, as I recall there were crosses on many of those memorials. Are those gone? Are we to discount the beliefs of the dead in favor of a group of fanatics? Is there a similar effort to remove any reference to Islam wherever it may be encountered?
  
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- Ahcma
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 4:38am
  How many times do people need to see, hear, read that there is no “separation of church and state” within the constitution??? It reads that “congress shall not institute a religion”. A cross is NOT a religion. It is a thought, a thought that may that individual be in peace.
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on April 6, 2013 at 9:57pm
  @Dadrocked- Yeah, if there are cross monuments they should be taken down. They never should have been erected. Put them in a museum or something. Not all soldiers are Christians. If it’s someone’s individual grave that’s perfectly acceptable but when you posthumously baptize people into a certain faith it starts to sound like something the Mormon church would do. I think inducting someone into a faith without their permission is something we would never tolerate among the living, and we should have even greater respect for the memories of our dead. The Mormons have already posthumously baptized Ghandi (Hindu), Anne Frank (Jewish), and Adolf Hitler (Catholic). I don’t feel so bad for Hitler but frankly if it were me I would be rolling in my grave!
  
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- justsayin456
  Posted on April 6, 2013 at 10:04pm
  Oh, and AHMCA- Your point is vapid. That isn’t the text. The portion of the Constitution you refer to ACTUALLY reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” The phrase “no law” is absolute and legally express language. I assure you as a legal scholar that your understanding is no more than wishful thinking. There have been NO controlling judicial opinions that support your interpretation. I am in fact impressed at the creativity of your fantasy, it speaks to your distorted perception of reality. Pretty scary stuff. I mean, you vote with that kind of reckless reasoning? THIS is why our country is going down the drain.
  
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edfcvg
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:20am
What if the monument had a half moon on top of it, would you all feel the same way? What if it were the star of David, how would you feel then? Open your eyes christian theist. You are wrong, and they are right.

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- From Virginia
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:39am
  So when are you going after the telephone poles?
  
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- john vincent
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:42am
  -edf
  
  How many servicemen died for this country yelling Allahu Akbar!
  .
  
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- 101stIraqVet
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:43am
  “What if the monument had a half moon on top of it, would you all feel the same way?”
  
  Yes, but what religion uses a half-moon as their symbol?
  
  “What if it were the star of David, how would you feel then?”
  
  Unlike you, I don’t give a crap what other people believe, as long as they believe peacefully.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:44am
  If the monument had the half moon and it had been their since 1972, no christian would have cared less.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:06am
  @edfcvg
  
  I would say the same thing that I say to this now: if it’s such an issue, offer up an auction to sell the tiny 3 foot diameter it’s on to a local church/temple/mosque (or better yet: donate it). Voila – now it’s private land surrounded by public land, and the complaining atheists have no constitutional basis upon which to complain.
  
  Is it a constitutional violation? Courts would probably find it so. Is this a good use a court’s time? You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who believes so.
  
  @John Vincent
  
  “How many servicemen died for this country yelling Allahu Akbar!”
  
  I’m pretty sure you’re just proving his point that this is an endorsement of religion.
  
  @101stiraqvet
  
  “Yes, but what religion uses a half-moon as their symbol?”
  
  What one does? If you’re going to say “Islam,” you need to accept that a cross also endorses the religion of Christianity. If you try and take the O-Reillyesque mental gymnastics that “Christianity isn’t a religion!” then you have to do the same with Islam… is it Sunni? Shi’a? Sufi? Ahmadiyya? Same with Judaism… is a Star of David representing Orthodox? Kabbala? Reformed? Hasidic?
  
  @Warmunger
  
  “If the monument had the half moon and it had been their since 1972, no christian would have cared less.”
  
  “Tradition” or “time it’s been in place” has no effect on constitutionality. And stating that it’s up to only Christians to accept something is both legally and constitutionally wrong.
  
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- 101stIraqVet
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:15am
  @Locked
  
  Sorry if you misunderstood. The crescent moon is the symbol of Islam as you know, not a half moon as he stated. I was just trying to be a **** to the resident athiest.
  
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- katzkiner
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:15am
  If the monument had a star or cresent on it, Christians would move on. You should read the book the “Light and the Glory”, by Marshal. The pastors in the colonies led the Revolution of 1776. So much so the units were referred to as the “Black Brigades” by the British. The Constitution does not require any faith to hide from your eyes, it requires that Congress make no law regarding the establishment of religion as the King tried to impose the Anglican Church on the colonists.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:18am
  @101st
  
  ” The crescent moon is the symbol of Islam as you know, not a half moon as he stated. I was just trying to be a **** to the resident athiest.”
  
  I did misunderstand; thank you for the clarification.
  
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- termyt
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:44am
  Go to Arlington, EDFCVG. First, you will see a fraction of the price paid for your freedom. Second, you will notice there are plenty of monuments with the Star of David instead of a cross. You might even find a crescent or two.
  
  Religion is part of our culture. People, even politicians sometimes adhere to the tenets of their religion, so to see public expressions of that religion is to be expected. The freedom of the exercise is precisely so we can display our religion in public.
  
  Tyrants deny expression, not freedom-loving citizens.
  
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- Evan B
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:56am
  I have to disagree. If this was about a proposal to erect a new monument of a religious nature I could easily see your point in not wanting your tax money being spent on something you do not believe. But this is about something that cost nothing present day, and they are wanting to spend tax payer money to have it removed. This is atheist demanding tax payer money be spent to further their belief which is against the 1st amendment just as much as a christian or any other religion asking for the government to spend money to further their belief.
  
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- Atrum_Angelus
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 11:35am
  As an agnostic/atheist, I couldn’t care less that the cross or any other symbol is atop the monument.
  The purpose of the monument is as a memorial to the fallen. To remember those who came before and fought for freedom. I’ve never walked past a memorial and thought “Damn endorsement of religion!” I simple say a silent thank you and move on. Remember our past, and those part of it, is not something that is strictly a religious ritual.
  
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- dblaess
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:28pm
  Then leave it there. Your hypothetical supposes the half moon or star was placed in 1972 to honor veterans and has not been an issue till now. Why not till now? Leave your hypothetical half moon or star alone. What a stupid question you ask.
  
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- birthright
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:53pm
  Locked, you need to unlock your brain. The symbol of islam is the crescant moon not the half moon. The 1st amendment does not say no religious symbols can be on public property. It says congress cannot establish a religion for the country (like England, France, Spain, etc of that time) and the government can’t interfere with a person pursuing their own religion. If FFRF wants a war memorial without any religious symbols on it, they can take up a collection and commission one to be built. The next step after they get rid of all religious themed items in parks WILL be to take them off of graves in national military cemeteries. That will be crossing a line that should not be crossed for 1st amendment reasons.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:07pm
  @Birthright
  
  ” The symbol of islam is the crescant moon not the half moon.”
  
  You’re about three hours late on this one. I suggest reading the posts before you type up a rant next time.
  
  “The 1st amendment does not say no religious symbols can be on public property.”
  
  No it doesn’t. But the Supreme Court has a history of ruling that doing so is in violation of the Constitution’s first amendment. Hence why this is an issue.
  
  “The next step after they get rid of all religious themed items in parks WILL be to take them off of graves in national military cemeteries. That will be crossing a line that should not be crossed for 1st amendment reasons.”
  
  I agree; I think the best permanent solution would be an amendment stating that a memorial or gravestone marker with a recognized religious icon should be protected speech under the first amendment even when displayed on public grounds. That leaves no room for any complications. Barring that in the mean time, I offered a valid alternative: donate the monument and the land it’s on to a religious organization.
  
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- All Pro
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:17pm
  Have you ever been to Omaha beach, Normandy France? There are plenty of Stars of David amongst the crosses. I’m pretty sure that if the soldier had identified himself as a Muslim on his tags there would be the appropriate symbol on his grave. That’s the very least you can do for them for sacrificing their lives so that you can sit at your computer in your underwear and talk $h!t.
  
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- Kaoscontrol
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 2:54pm
  EDFCVG— Generally when something’s got a “Half moon on it” it’s a place to go and take a dump… An Outhouse.
  (I assume you meant CRESCENT moon as in “Islamic”– and the international symbol used on outhouses throughout the world…not that there’s much of a difference)
  
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- dmerwin
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 3:24am
  http://www.theblaze.com/users/evan-b/
  My tax money gets spent on **** I don’t agree with on a daily basis. What is your point?
  
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- bonesiii
  Posted on March 24, 2013 at 5:36am
  “What if the monument had a half moon on top of it, would you all feel the same way?”
  The whole point of the LAW guaranteeing free expression is that it doesn’t MATTER how you FEEL about it. We wouldn’t need a law protecting our rights unless there were some who wanted to violate them now would we?
  
  What you’re really saying is that because you feel like breaking the law, the law is wrong. By that logic, all laws must be wrong because there are by definition some people (criminals) who feel like breaking them.
  
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TheGrtDcptn
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:16am
Psalm 1:1-6 ‘Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked, or stand in the way that sinners take, or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delight is in the law of the LORD, and who meditates on his law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither– whatever they do prospers. Not so the wicked…!! They are like chaff that the wind blows away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.’

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- AquamanSucks
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:04am
  Thegrtdcptn
  
  I was about to post some very angry and hateful words.
  Your post reminded me of what I should do.
  Thank you!!!
  You have a great day!
  
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RDMercer
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:13am
Why does it bother these rats so much to see a cross? Because their Fascist Socialists that want to take God out of everything. This is the time Christians shouldn’t turn the other cheek but rather turn the cheek of the rats with whatever blunt instrument can be found.

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- church01
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:36pm
  I agree with you they take god out of everything just to make someone else happy.
  
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Bohump
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:10am
Why do You Bury an Atheist Head Down ? ….. So they can see where They are GOING !

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- CABERNETQHS
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:18am
  Hahahaha.
  
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13th Imam
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:08am
This is the fault of greedy Lawyers. Find a money grabbing cause and exploit it. When the SHTF the lawyers are going first.

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- turkey13
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:16am
  Before you listen and act on these Athiest check them out to see if they are real. If they are real Athiest the son will be named Judis and the daughter will be named Jesibell.
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:53am
  Turkey…. you post that same comment alot. thought id let ya know how to spell “Jezebel”
  
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65Mustang
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:06am
Their day of pure pain will come. How sad that the deceased veterans gave their lives so the FFRF can have the freedom to spew their hatred toward the memorial.
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on March 25, 2013 at 3:38pm
  Do you think its fair that the atheists that died in ww2 are honored by a christian cross? How do you think they would feel about it? I always find it interesting that when people say the government cannot endorse christianity the christians say it is a war on them and their religion. Apparently Christians have the right to push religion on you but when you ask to obey the constitution you are hating god?? these people are the reason we have a separation of church and state. Give them an inch and they take a mile.
  
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U4eeeahhh
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:04am
A cross on the property of a public park, regardless of it’s intent, is wrong. And it’s not a tribute the non-believers that die in our useless war like Vietnam and Iraq. A helmet on a upturned rifle perhaps could be a better image choice.

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- Rokytop
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:14am
  Why is it wrong?
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:22am
  Christians pay Taxes for that park also. And just how does it push religion on anyone?
  
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- seek.the.truth
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:22am
  No. The FFRF is wrong in their so-called effort to be constitutional. They will not stop until athiests no longer have to come into contact with a Christian symbol of any kind. How is that freedom? Stomping on the rights of the Christians so an athiest can what — feel more certain there is no God?
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:25am
  Go ahead and try and take it down. Go on, I dare ya’.
  
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- fatticous10
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:41am
  This memorial was displayed on public property because these men and woman who died were fighting for the general public in this country. I really feel sorry for people like you who are too dumb to see that.
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:42am
  When people see a cross they think grave. Are you going after all the graves in Arlington next? How about the telephone poles.
  
  You people need to get over yourselves.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:43am
  it is not wrong, it is protected speech. The public didn’t pay for it, it was donated. I guess you think the crosses at arlington are wrong too. If these azzwipe atheist don’t like the memorial, they should pay to have another put up that they would like better. None these jerks are even from the area most likely.
  
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- Bonnieblue2A
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:51am
  One cross, large park. It should be just as safe to assume any area of the park not physically occupied by this very small monument’s cross is a tribute to non-believers and the atheists have proven the absence of a cross is acceptable.
  
  Freedom of religion NOT freedom from religion.
  
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- MistyMountainGranny
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 12:25am
  U4 – Right or wrong can be in the eye of the beholder. Fact remains our constitution guarantees freedom OF religion. Not freedom FROM religion.
  
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SGT Rock
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:02am
In my military history classes I was taught and do beleive this statement. “The cross is has been used as a generic grave marker of the fallen soldier in the past, until graves registration is able to recover the body. When they recover the fallen soldiers body they will verify his religion and ensure a proper headstone is placed at his/her grave.” So I asked my fellow vets and they all say the same thing, the cross on memorials is a generic grave marker used to signify the fallen soldiers sacrifice of their lives to ensure we have peace. The cross in this instance is not to signify a Christian ideal, some may twist it to represent this. Do you see Jesus hanging on any of these memorial crosses? Also in the past the most common religion of those serving was Christianity so these Atheist morons need to consider the time in which these fallen served. Times change and when Christians survive this war on Christians and Jews maybe we should return the favor and purge all the athiest idols and icons. Just saying in America we are suppose to be live and let live, we Christian and Jews need to stand up to these bullies. No more compliance, they are using our peaceful nature against us. Speak out proudly of your faith and beliefs, no longer pity the Atheist, they work for the other side and have chosen to destroy our faith and culture.

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- Chuckji
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:22am
  I agree.
  
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- Rokytop
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:29am
  It may be time to go Carrie Nations on ‘em SGT ROCK.
  
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- SweetT
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:49pm
  Christianity is not a religon. Greek Orthodox, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. are religons. I would love to know why there are no lawyers that represent the “Freedom OF Religon” organization (I know there is no such entity) to fight these lawsuits. I would just love it if they would just start sueing the FFRF for everything under the sun as the FFRF has done to others. Instead of FFRF threatening all these cash strapped cities and towns. I would donate to that – maybe they would run out money to play these games. How ’bout it? Any lawyers out there that would do unto others?
  
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Bohump
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:01am
Yes … If You want to Honor the Vet’s, … Remove the Cross,….. And Plant a few Atheist”s In it’s Place !

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- edfcvg
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:07am
  that’s very christian of you.
  
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- Rokytop
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:23am
  A little Old Testament justice!
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:51am
  @edfcvg
  
  As you don’t believe you have no right to say that. Ever!
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:51am
  Virginia, . . . why can’t he say that? Just because a person doesn’t agree with a world view, that doesn’t mean they can’t critique the words stated, especially when they are violent in nature.
  
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- dblaess
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 12:39pm
  @edfcvg
  No it is very atheist of you is the correct term in this case. I see you are new here. I must ask do you get paid by the post or by the word?
  
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ferggie
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:58am
Amendment I

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

Please sight me THE LAW respecting a specific religion for the placement of this cross. The cross is but a form of the freedom of speech not forcing a specific religion upon anyone. Again show me THE LAW.

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- Rokytop
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:12am
  Thank you Sgt Rock. Ferggie, I am still looking for the part of the amendment that says “separation of church and state” it’s not there. That statement was in a letter? Also, I don’t see anything that says “Freedom FROM Religion.” What has atheistism given to the world at large? Nothing good that I can find.
  
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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:04am
  Rokytop… atheism has pushed scientists for years to find facts about the cosmos. atheism has pushed people to find ways to treat illnesses without relying on prayer. Most scientists today are atheist/agnostic and they contribute so much to what we have today to be thankful for. and if you expand your question to ask what atheists have done to better humanity the list would go on virtually endlessly
  
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- Rokytop
  Posted on March 23, 2013 at 9:47pm
  Sorry ComfortEagle, but you say ‘most’ scientist like that is a fact. Just like climate warmers say most scientist believe in global warming. Have you ever looked at the university degrees that the international group of scientist that believe in global warming? Very few are trained in climatology or geophysics, but are mostly liberal arts or bureaucrats. Al Gore is held up as the go to expert on global warming? He doesn’t even know what temperature water boils. Studies that I have seen say that more and more of the ‘so called’ scientist and medical professions have turned away from humanism. The more some studies science and math the more they believe in an out-side influence.
  
  Even the top evolutionist proclaim that something started the ‘big bang.’ You can have faith that you started as a piece of slime. I’m inclined that the ‘big bang’ was God snapping his fingers. The odds that a human being was an accident are more than a googolplex to the googolplex power “to infiniy and beyond.” Faith is a terrible thing to waste. And you problably have faith in evolution, and actually have faith that Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio, Rosie O’Donnell, Bill Maher are experts at something. You problably even believe that Bill Cosby is a real doctor.
  
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toomuchgovt
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:58am
So sick and tired of these stories. Atheists have no principle and neither do democrats. They only believe what they believe when it is against a christian/jew or a republican/conservative. Who would they hate if we go away? They would “evolve” to hating the mormons and the libertarians. Then the amish and the regular democrats, and on and on until they what we are all just like them – hateful.

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lynnissmart
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:57am
If you don’t like something, just don ‘t look at it….turn the page….and stop carrying on….live and let live…period!

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- DeavonReye
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 11:02am
  That’s how I handle such things. Hey, it is a highly christian nation. Whereas I see it to be rather . . . meh. . . .about having a cross [when they didn't die for the gospel], it gives the family members comfort [somehow], so just like a nativity scene at christmas, I just walk on by.
  
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- qualityrkc
  Posted on March 25, 2013 at 3:40pm
  I think its important to follow the law.
  
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oldincarolina
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:56am
If the atheists do not like to see crosses or to hear prayers, they are free to leave our country.

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- comforteagle
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:08am
  If theists dont like being challenged on where they can put up crosses they are free to leave the country
  
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- From Virginia
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 10:34am
  @Comforteagle – I bet seeing all those telephone poles must drive you to distraction!
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 11:05am
  The shape of the letter “t” doesn’t offend me at all. I use it a lot. Look at how many of them are in this short reply! I’m still good!
  
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ares338
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:56am
Yawn….the atheists are all whiny again. Burn a Christian at the stake and they’ll shut up for a few months.

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nickg2003
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:50am
no matter what they try to do to eliminate God they can’t. Like it or not we have God in our DNA. Give them a big hug it creates a cross when you open and stretch your arms

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- poorrichard09
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:57am
  Would they have a problem with the star and crescent?
  
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- edfcvg
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:04am
  That is your belief, however the Atheist group is correct. They are defending the constitution and it does not matter how you feel about the cross our your religion.
  
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- cosette
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:20am
  @EDFCVG I find it odd that in Washington D.C., on and in several public monuments/buildings are a number of Judeo/Christian references, icons and symbols.The congress opens each session with a prayer provided by a publicly funded cleric. I’m confused. Why don’t these anti religious groups start by demanding their removal? I believe I know the answer, but I’d really like to hear yours.
  
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nickg2003
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:48am
No matter what they try to do to eliminate God they can’t. Like it or not we have God in our DNA. Give them a big hug it creates a cross when you open and stretch your arms.

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Solidspine
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:46am
Why can’t the just be atheist, why is everything else unconstitutional in there view, in my view they are petty inconveniences walking around looking stupid.

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momrules
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:44am
The antichrists with the FFRF are experts at ferreting out any mention or symbol of Christianity in America. They do not love the Constitution, they hate God.

They are extortionists and they serve an evil master. My only consolation is that the evil they do on a daily basis will one day be judged by the very God they hate so much.

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- edfcvg
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:06am
  The Atheist group feels the same way about god as they do bigfoot. I’m sure they don’t hate bigfoot, because they don’t believe in bigfoot either. Foolish comment IMMADOG
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:50am
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  so you are saying, if we build a monument with bigfoot on it and put it in a public park, the Atheists will come out of their hive and sue to have it removed? The Atheist are attacking the constitutional protection of free speech. The monument is a expression of gratitude and loss and is protected. On public property or private.
  
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:44am
Gee, I really don’t give a damn what the “case law” is regarding monuments like the one in Coos Bay.

Taken to its illogical conclusion, every cross in every veterans cemetery would have to be removed.

My advice to the city fathers of Coos Bay: Do nothing about the legal challenge of the whack jobs.

If push comes to shove, deputize enough armed Coos Bay citizens to stand guard 24 / 7 at the monument with orders to “shoot on sight” anyone attempting to remove the cross. My only hope is that Eric Holder leads the assault on the monument. Oh, please, Lord, please!

“Remember Benghazi and ALL the Traitors!”

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- Gonzo
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:56am
  Exactly what I was thinking. How many crosses and Stars of David are in Arlington Nat. Cemetery? It’s federal land.
- momrules
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:10am
  JPK………I’ve often wondered why the towns that come under attack by the FFRF even acknowledge them or their lawsuits. They should refuse to participate, refuse to hire lawyers and waste money fighting FFRF lawsuits. They should just say NO and mean it, no matter what it takes.
  
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- seek.the.truth
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:28am
  You are right momrules. If each town stood firm, it would certainly make a difference.
  
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chips1
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:37am
They appear to be upset because they haven’t opened their own cemetery where they can be buried head down with an image of Obama above their a$$.

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SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:35am
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I sure wish we could go all “Old Testament” on these non-believers……

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- edfcvg
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:18am
  very christian of you.
  
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Locked
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:32am
I’ll admit, I almost enjoy watching the FFRF take on cases like these.

Why? Because it turns public opinion against then by revealing them for what they are: not atheists, but anti-theists.

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IAMMADDOG
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:31am
Atheists just plain suck. You don’t believe in anything therefore you have nothing to worry about right? Yet you worry that others believe in something to the point that you waste your lives trying to destroy those beliefs. Do your heads explode when you hear ANYTHING linked to religion? Why don’t you all just STFU and let others be happy? If they are threatening you, physically, well that’s another story, but in most cases….that is NOT the case.

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Gonzo
Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:30am
If you find that memorial offensive, you’re the one with the problem.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 8:39am
  GONZO, Spot on!
  
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- Rokytop
  Posted on March 22, 2013 at 9:04am
  I wonder . . . . . would they accept water for their children, from a church if they were thirsty? would they accept food from a Christian food bank, if they were hungry? If the answer is yes, they need to shut up. My belief in God does not cause them harm.
  
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