When asked if he was “proud” of the number of Americans who die by gunshot wounds every year, a U.S. veteran said he didn’t know how to answer due to the phrasing of the question.
Instead, during an appearance on Britain’s Channel 4 News, Armed American Radio reporter Neil McCabe argued that Americans, including himself, do not have an obligation to be a victim of an attack.
The exchange between McCabe and Channel 4 reporter John Snow began when the British journalist asked, “are you proud of a country that manages to see the deaths of 13,338 people from gun shot wounds from guns fired by civilians in your country in one year?”
McCabe refused to answer the question and instead asserted that he was a proud veteran of the war in Iraq and could not be held responsible for that statistic.
“I do know that murders by guns have been falling at least for the last six years,” McCabe said. “And I do know a lot of Americans, like myself, feel no obligation to be a victim, and if this is a massacre after massacre country as your reporter described, I would prefer to be armed, rather than disarmed.”
“People die, people are murdered, it’s human nature, but in those situations, there’s no obligation to be a victim,” he continued later in the interview. “I don’t want to hide under a desk. I would rather have a gun to protect myself.”
When Snow continuously updated McCabe on the number of Americans who have died from gunshot wounds in 2016, McCabe shot back.
“I don’t celebrate those numbers like you seem to,” he said.
Watch Channel 4’s interview with McCabe below.