23 More People Dead in Bloody Mexican Drug Wars
- Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:00pm by
Mytheos Holt
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Yesterday, three Mexican journalists’ bodies were discovered, dismembered and stuffed into plastic bags. They apparently had been asking the wrong questions in a country where drug violence is already dangerously high. Fox News reported at the time:
It was a bloody start to World Press Freedom Day in Mexico as authorities in the eastern state of Veracruz discovered the bodies of three news photographers slain and dumped together in plastic bags near a canal, less than a week after the killing in the same state of a reporter for an investigative newsmagazine.
Press advocates called for immediate government action to halt a wave of attacks that has killed at least six current and former reporters and photographers in Veracruz over the last year, most of them among the few journalists still working on crime-related stories in the state. The deaths have spawned an atmosphere of terror and self-censorship among journalists.
The problem isn’t confined to Veracruz. Mexico is one of the world’s most dangerous countries for journalists, with reporters and photographers suffering a rising number of attacks in recent years as the country grapples with tens of thousands of killings, kidnappings and extortion against the backdrop of a militarized government offensive against drug cartels. Prosecutions in the cases are all but unknown, as is the case with almost all homicides and other serious crimes in Mexico.
Today, an even more grisly discovery has surfaced, as 23 total people were found dead in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.
14 of the corpses were beheaded and wrapped in plastic bags, with their heads preserved in separate ice boxes. The other 9, however, were discovered in a truly horrific state. WTOP Washington describes the carnage:
The bodies of nine people were found hanging from a bridge in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, just 6 miles from the U.S. border. Five were men and four women.
Pictures showed the nine bound, gagged and hanged.
A message left with the bodies identified them as members of the Gulf cartel. A rivaling cartel, Los Zetas, is believed to be responsible for the deaths.
All of the victims showed signs of torture. Their hands were tied and their eyes covered, sources tell WTOP.
The Hideous Sight in Full
The increased violence comes as Mexican President Felipe Calderon has been waging a war on the Mexican drug cartels using government resources – a war where only one side is following any rules, and where apparently only one side cares who gets caught in the crossfire. So far, more than 50,000 casualties have occurred from this standoff between the cartels and the Mexican government. These 23 are simply a particularly gruesome sample.
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M13
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:37amSomebody put out Cinco De Mayo decorations, how nice.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:49amThe guy that sells rope is making a killing
Report Post »Rayford
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:40amDB…put down the DooBie..
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 4:04am@DB…please say this is tongue in cheek.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 4:10amM13..They are PEOPLE. When you lose your respect for humanity, you have nothing left.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:05amDB- you are the cause, because it is obvious that you smoke enough crack all on your own to make the cartels rich.
Report Post »Razlord
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:53amdb, hope you get everything you deserve.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:26amThat’s cold…….unfortunately, though, a good metaphor.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:33pmIt’s not the drugs, or the drug addictions, themselves, that makes the drug market so violent; It’s the PROHIBITION of drugs that does so by increasing the costs of production and distribution so high that addicts must steal and in order to afford their fix.
End the War on Drugs, and the violence will diminish.
See here.
Defending the Undefendable (Chapter 4: The Drug Pusher) by Walter Block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1WgD1Ujh8
And here.
Defending the Undefendable (Chapter 5: The Drug Addict) by Walter Block
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZnnP3scLU
338longrange
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:32pmCOMING SOON to a town near YOU!
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:47pmIt took time to do that and a lot of help. Where were the Mexican police? Where were the Mexican Army. Those Drug Lords were the same ones Eric Holder and Obama gave $millions in weapons to with the understanding that those weapons be used to kill Americans. The American people have become mental cripples. Previous generations of American would never tolerate this or Obama.
Folks this is just the beginning, we have seen all of this before.
Report Post »ScottR63
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:13pmPinata’s
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:23pmGun control…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pKasF6l3y0
Report Post »christopher.duncan2388
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:57pmDoctors labor, through that logic, it would mean that rape being an illegal activity is what causes rape… Fact, people on hardcore drugs do stupid and violent things, and the people pushing the drugs do horrible and violent things to stay in power, do you really think that the drug cartels in Mexico, or the big time dealers here in the states would concede power just because the ban on selling drugs was lifted? That’s highly doubtful, if anything they would become even more bold than before, because crack heads would still have to go to them to get their product, unless you have some way to convince cvs and walmart to sell heroine, meth, pcp, extacy, and whatever else is out there nowadays (good luck with that btw) and even if you did, the dealers and the cartels are violent by nature, drug sales are just a way to fund their other activities, your views are incredibly naive
Report Post »Eraty Bab
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:04pmHow festive
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:05am@christopher.duncan2388,
“through that logic, it would mean that rape being an illegal activity is what causes rape… Fact, people on hardcore drugs do stupid and violent things, and the people pushing the drugs do horrible and violent things to stay in power …”
Let’s look beyond legalese, since what we are trying to ascertain is WHY SHOULD something be illegal.
Rape violates another person’s individual liberty, whereas drug use does not.
People on hardcore drugs do violent things in order afford their fix; If you end the prohibition, competitors will come in and lower the price, and then people will just buy it when they want it, like anything else (I will address your concern with cartel violence in a bit).
Those on drugs do stupid things because of an altered state of consciousness, but people are allowed to think whatever they want; Sending people to jail for “pre-crimes” is tyrannical – you don’t simply get to ASSUME that someone under the influence of drugs is going to do something stupid or violent.
As to your concern about growing violence with the legalization of drugs (true legalization, where the government has no say in the matter), the control can only be maintained through the power of the state.
It would be the same as any other company trying to compete in a freed market. How can anyone know if drug needs are being met by the guy next door or by alternatives?
Report Post »Centurian
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:23amTo A DOCTORS LABOR:
Are you so naive to think this will simply stop from happening? These cartels are extremely lucrative and those that are running are not going to simply stop and go into the florist business.
If the United States were to legalize narcotics, the cartels would simply find other ways to make illegal money. They have the connections, they have the knowledge, and they have the manpower.
Wise up. The answer is to never give in to sin. All because something is tough to minimize or destroy doesn’t mean you simply give in. You fight. You do whats right.
“There comes a time when each person must decide between what is right and what is easy.” (Dumbledore, from Harry Potter).
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:56am@Centurian,
“Are you so naive to think this will simply stop from happening? These cartels are extremely lucrative and those that are running are not going to simply stop and go into the florist business.”
Since the prohibition of drugs is what reduces the number of competitors and alternatives, such that the price goes up, then yes, in order to stop the violence, it must be more lucrative to please your consumer than it is to violate the rights of others.
“Wise up. The answer is to never give in to sin. All because something is tough to minimize or destroy doesn’t mean you simply give in. You fight. You do whats right.”
We are not a theocracy, and whatever is your moral position on drug use, per se, in our Constitutional Republic, freedom of belief entails allowing others to do whatever they want to themselves, so long as they aren’t violating the rights of others.
And we don’t have a right to prevent others from offending us.
Report Post »christopher.duncan2388
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:29amDoctors labor
My belief is not forged from my religious beliefs, or some twisted desire to push my morals on someone else
It is the FACT that these drugs (completely removing price from the equation, assume that there is an endless and free source of all drugs for the sake of this post) take otherwise normal and nonviolent people and cause them to do harm to other people, THAT is why they are illegal, it’s also illegal to drive down the highway after downing a 12 pack of budweiser, even though the driver of a car hasn’t run anyone over yet
Also, do you really believe that government regulations would keep drug prices DOWN? you must be on crack yourself, just look at what they’ve done with the price of cigarettes, they tax the hell out of that ****, if anything they would make the dealers job easier because they would be able to sell at a significantly lower price than whatever fantastical store you have in your head that would actually sell meth and the likes
Report Post »Thescorcher
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:21pm@ christopher.duncan2388
“It is the FACT that these drugs (completely removing price from the equation, assume that there is an endless and free source of all drugs for the sake of this post) take otherwise normal and nonviolent people and cause them to do harm to other people, THAT is why they are illegal, it’s also illegal to drive down the highway after downing a 12 pack of Budweiser, even though the driver of a car hasn’t run anyone over yet”
I would try to just reply back to you with logic like A Doctors Labor tried to do but apparently that is not enough. OK lets use Alcohol as an example since you used it. It is legal and there is no organization being funded in other countries that wants to hang people from bridges to scare them so that they can keep making millions of dollars off of Alcohol sold in America for really high margins.
On the flip side at one point it was not legal to sell or consume alcohol in America. What happened? Do you remember or is it conveniently not relevant to anything your thinking about presently? What happened was the Mob took over producing and selling Alcohol because it was PROFITABLE and it wasn‘t legalized until we realized how suppressing people’s liberties was a mistake.
People commit violence with drugs because they cost a lot and have to sold by unconventional means. The only people willing to sell them are risk takers. The same people who risk breaking the law in most cases. Take out the risk, and EU
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:34pm@christopher.duncan2388,
“It is the FACT that these drugs … take otherwise normal and nonviolent people and cause them to do harm to other people, THAT is why they are illegal, it’s also illegal to drive down the highway after downing a 12 pack of budweiser, even though the driver of a car hasn’t run anyone over yet”
The drugs don’t CAUSE people to do harm – the high price makes them willing to do so.
As for drugs and driving, again, youre advocating the crimilization of POSSIBLE outcomes; You‘re OK with being told what you can or can’t put into your own body because of what you MIGHT do? We have laws against harming others, so if we enforce THOSE then people will regulate themselves.
“Also, do you really believe that government regulations would keep drug prices DOWN?”
I’m actually against government regulations. I’m not sure you understood me.
The drug market should be legal AND unregulated by government. Government regulations drive costs higher, misallocate resources, and secure monopolies against new competition.
Report Post »jerimiah41
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:50pmThis is interesting. The Peace Corp pulled out of Honduras stating Honduras was the most violent country in the hemisphere. I spent two weeks in Honduras on mission trip in January and you had to
Report Post »be careful where you went in a couple of the larger cities but what I have seen out of Mexico i would classify this country as extreme and grossly violent as evidenced by these pictures and others on diplay in the past. Why is not the U.N. calling out this horrible President that has visitied our President a number of times now and has criticized us here in America as extreme and racial,etc. I would not go to Mexico in any way and leave my money to this country anywhere until they really get serious about this problem. Scrap their Police force and start over with someone that knows what they are doing. It is funny we can fight drug wars in South America and actually have a base in Honduras(I did not know about until I had traveled there) that aids drug trafficing. Close our borders and shoot to kill when they enter our country in violation. I do not beleive anyone wants to really stop it. The murder rate in Mexico probable exceeds the murder rate going on in Syria that U.N. is doing nothing about either.
Sue Dohnim
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:59pm@A DOCTORS LABOR IS NOT MY RIGHT
Disagree, sounds good in theory or academic papers, but these criminals will find another drug or another vice, they are sociopaths and decriminalizing or legalizing drugs won’t change that.
They will always find something else, harder and more dangerous and powerful drug concoctions to push. The “justice” system can never keep up with their creative criminal abilities.
It would be a disaster, IMO of course…
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:21pm@jerimiah41,
“Why is not the U.N. calling out this horrible President that has visitied our President a number of times now and has criticized us here in America as extreme and racial,etc.”
Let’s not call for the UN to do anything. Let’s get out of the UN, in fact.
The UN is dangerous to national sovereignty.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:26pm@Sue Dohnim,
“Disagree, sounds good in theory or academic papers, but these criminals will find another drug or another vice, they are sociopaths and decriminalizing or legalizing drugs won’t change that.”
It’s not just theory. It’s the same as any other market.
If everyone can grow it in their back yard, how the hell is anyone going to be able to raise the price without government intervention?
“They will always find something else, harder and more dangerous and powerful drug concoctions to push. The “justice” system can never keep up with their creative criminal abilities.”
Again, it’s the prohibition of drugs that creates a violent market for them.
Report Post »Thescorcher
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:48pm@ Sue Dohnim
Explain how it would be a disaster? To me a disaster is the case where someones son was trapped in a prison cell for 4 days without food or water just because he was at a buddies place smoking Marijuana on 4/20/12. The conditions so crazy that he decides to try and kill himself instead of starve to death after drinking his own fluids to survive. They forgot about him, oh well he was a criminal right? What if that was your grandson? Would you sell your family out for wanting to be able to tell people they can’t do things to there own body?
Think people! It isn’t about the drugs, it is about them telling us we cant do something to our own body. It’s about the prison systems being overflowed with petty criminals who get a PHD in being a hard criminal.
People would start legitimate businesses, and there would be taxes. Prisons would be not so over crowded and drug dealers would have to get a real job. Those who are addicted will still do crazy things, just like alcoholics but at least it would be more socially acceptable to treat these people instead of turning a blind eye to the addicted criminal.
With all the crap our drug trade causes in Mexico we should not be complaining about them coming here. We would do the same thing if Mexico had an illegal drug market that was causing our own citizens to cartel to sell drugs to Mexico because it is extremely profitable.
Report Post »Sue Dohnim
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 4:18pm@A DOCTORS LABOR IS NOT MY RIGHT
“Again, it’s the prohibition of drugs that creates a violent market for them.”
This is not true, it is a generality.
If the Gov legalized and sold pot just like alcohol, the gangs would spike the pot and make a “better” more potent one. You are chasing unicorns here.
I understand and agree with the argument that responsible people should be able to do what they want to their own body, but this is a different argument altogether, legalizing or decriminalizing will not change these criminals, they will find another product to push if the Gov stepped in as competition, you can’t deny this. A Gov sanctioned pot would be outdone by a criminal version spiked with ecstasy or Cocaine or whatever.
I thought long over this and changed my mind when I noticed Soros and all the lefty elites and wealthy pushing for legalization,, WHY? Do they want us to be free? NO, they want to enslave us.
Drug use makes you stupid and retards your self control by destroying that part of the brain. Perfect for subverting a society. IMO, it is destructive to a culture.
Maybe make simple pot possession like a traffic ticket but for drugs in general, legalization would undermine society further and give the elites more excuses to oppress the masses.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 5:38pm@Sue Dohnim,
“If the Gov legalized and sold pot just like alcohol, the gangs would spike the pot and make a “better” more potent one.”
Again, I think you’re misunderstanding my position.
The government is not a market player. It doesn’t get money from serving customers, but by law and according to the consent of the governed (at least, that‘s how it’s supposed to work). The government is not a job, and it’s not its role to try and create jobs.
See here.
Government cannot be run like a business
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/27/government-cannot-be-run-like-a-business/?print=1
The cartels are protected by our War on Drugs, because they keep out competitors, which would NOT be the government, but everyone else in the world.
The government is supposed to protect private property rights. It‘s not supposed to tell you what you can or can’t do or sell or buy.
The free market works better than you’ve been led to believe.
See here.
Anonymous and the Zetas Cartel Declare a Truce
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/11/anonymous-barrett-brown-armed-mexican-drug-cartels/44578/
End the War on Drugs.
Report Post »Sue Dohnim
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 7:19pm@A DOCTORS LABOR IS NOT MY RIGHT
I understand what you are saying, around here all the elites and politicians are advocating selling pot and regulating like alcohol.
It isn’t the war on drugs that is keeping these cartels in business nor prohibition. They are sociopaths and criminals.
My argument is that ending these things will not change these gangs, if some form of competition takes away their “market” then they will just develop another different or more powerful one that sells.
The issue is, we only view the theory “seen” and not the “unseen”, in this case the gangs will adapt to the market variables. That is the “unseen” that nobody accounts for and why, IMO, it won’t change a thing.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 7:58pm@Sue Dohnim,
“My argument is that ending these things will not change these gangs, if some form of competition takes away their “market” then they will just develop another different or more powerful one that sells.”
Such a thing can only happen if government enforces their monopoly, such as is happening now.
See here.
Anti-Trust and Monopoly (with Ron Paul)
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teamarcheson
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 9:12pmAre they all Americans? Were they facing North?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:35amJob Openings… in Mexico!
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:24amluk….. LOL.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:29amA country who would allow this should be considered as bad as those countries where muslim extremists operate. If they cannot solve this problem, they should ask for help and get the problem solved. The poor people are so deeply mired into being held hostage by the drug cartels that no one is willing to trust anyone. That leaves me to wonder just what are they going to do? This is just across the border and no one seems to be hearing the cries of those suffering. These people are being tortured and are being slaughtered. Why is this being allowed by those who could help?
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:41amLegalizing marijuana would go a long way towards cooling things in Mexico. About 25% of the cannabis in the U.S. originated from Mexico. Removing that demand would remove a good deal of the drug demand which would weaken the Mexican drug cartels. How many people do you think emigrate from Mexico because the crime is so bad over there? I’m guessing lots.
So I’m pretty damn sure that legalizing cannabis would a) free up our prisons for actually violent/dangerous criminals, b) save billions of dollars in drug enforcement and prison funding, c) stimulate the economy by taxation of a valuable cash crop and the use of hemp in thousands of common applications, d) reduce crime in Mexico which inevitably spills over into our borders, e) reduce illegal immigration from Mexico by improving conditions south of the border.
I seriously see no negative effects of legalizing cannabis.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:51amThink about it..everything from Chicago stinks of corruption…Obama could help Mexico’s president and end this quickly…But he does nothing…In the absence of a reasonable explanation for not helping ,we can only assume he wants it to continue…..Holder did supply the cartels with guns..lots of money in those illegal drugs and Obama is from Chicago
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:28amFor Doctor,
Report Post »Doc-Oc, legalizing narcotics would be a disaster for this country. Some European countries that have legalized drugs are seeing crime rates rise dramatically by junkies wanting money for that “next high”,
here in the Dakotas local counties are banning and criminalizing the use of “Spice” (synthetic marijuana) because of the side effects that have put people in the hospital for kidney failure and a few individuals have even died from the stuff.
MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:05amAnd we are more concerned with what Libya ?
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 4:34amI don’t believe docnordo was talking about narcotics. Think he was talking about pot. You know, marijuana. Not Spice. Marijuana. It’s a freaking weed! It literally grows in the ditches. We called it “ Ditch Weed”. It was one of the main weeds we cut out of the bean fields. Regulate a friggin weed. Can you even keep them out of your own back yard?
Report Post »meeester
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:24amBut we have been helping!
Report Post »Those of us paying taxes have been making sure that these cartels get guns and that helps the supply of drugs for those of us who don’t pay taxes.
Oh wait…. Did I get this backwards….no…i don’t think so.
Like aligning with the most disgusting losers, socialist, hypocrites and racists in our country, progressives, libs et al are aligned with the wrong side in this drug scene to.
Razlord
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:28ammarijuana actually cures some types of cancer, it is also 1 of the best known pain relievers.
you keep taking the big pharma meds …see which side effect you die from 1st.
Proof Weed Cures Cancer! (1 of 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctYBWa7Y6hY
Cannabis – Weed – Pot – Marijuana – Kills Cancer cells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P00eq1xkQs&feature=relmfu
ignorance is not an excuse.
Report Post »johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 11:57amCome on, BlackYB, get with the program!
Janet “Big Sis” Napolitano keeps saying that the border areas are more secure than they’ve ever been.
I can see why “Big Sis” would say this. Why can’t you see the light?
You may not have a future in the United Socialist States of America.
Repeat after me “The border is safe, the border is safe, the border is safe.” I’d like that in writing (1,000 times) using black ink on a yellow legal pad by 1400 hours.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:36pmDoctor Nordo
China legalized drugs after the British forced them to legalize drugs. It worked out very well.
It worked out so well that people spoke out against immigration from China & pointed to the opium dens.
Report Post »TexasIndependant
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:08pmIts an easy Fix…. Arm all the Citizens…. strict gun laws in Mexico makes it so only the drug cartels have guns…..In Texas People are hesitant to pull out a gun and start shooting since almost everyone here carries. Unless of course they are firing on a military base where they aren’t allowed to carry guns like at Fort Hood.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:18pmWe already have a society that is numb to what is going on around them and have been knocking ourselves silly trying to get people to wake up, get off the sofa and give a damn.
Your answer is to increase the number of those who are unmotivated, unmoved and could care less by making a drug, that produces those side effects openly available and socially acceptable? Yeah, that sounds like it would have a good outcome for the country.
Report Post »phrogdriver
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:58pm@doc – Um, Mexico legalized possession of all drugs about 7 years ago. That’s when all this started. This IS what happens when drugs are legalized.
Do you honestly think that, if we legalize drugs, the Mexican cartels will just get out of the business?
This ain’t prohibition. This is war.
Report Post »Rayford
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:26amthis is something that we will be seeing on our side of the border soon enough. Cartel and associated gangs are already murdering Americans all over the US, not discounting the drug crimes, rapes, child molestations, hit and run accidents…I can go on and on. Our prisons in CA are full of illegal alien prisoners…not for coming illegally…for FELONIES.
Our govt needs to seal the borders, kick out the “11 million” (try twice that or more) ILLEGALS, and be done with it. Stop catering to specific groups to get votes.
And no, I dont think all illegals are from Mexico. They come from Asia, Middle East, Africa,Europe, South America and even Canada. Just happens to be the majority are Mexican/ Hispanic.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:25pmI agree 100%!!!!
Report Post »AnOregonian
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 11:57amhttp://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/tax-loophole-costs-billions
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:23amPray for the peace of those living in Mexico and pray that our government wakes up before this is here too….it is happening the growing in the national forests, they are becoming unsafe for folks like me and my family to ride in for fear of stumbling into grow operations. Pray and vote
Report Post »freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:14amright
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:21amThere is evil all around. These people in Mexico cannot be dealt with. Though they come and go almost at will, we cannot cross their borders as easily. There is so much corruption down there that the cartels are probably running the country by now. They are amassing quite an army of demonic people who have no conscious. They come here and hit and run back down there. This is a present from Holder and Obama. It will not get better. The army is corrupt there, the government, is corrupt and the politicans who are not corrupt are scared into compliance. If Obama and Holder stay in power, they will have free reign to hit and run and massacre people here. Someone in D.C. needs to enable the bordering states to secure our borders. They need to run those criminal elements back to their own countries and keep them out. Those who are here are probably afraid to go back. It would be a shame to have to send people to their deaths. If they are sent back it should be known that the people have somewhere to go that is safe. We are living in times where decisions have to be made contrary to popular opinion, but there are few who stand. The ones who could, will not because of their agendas. I so despise their cowardly presence in our government. What is sad are those who are young and the generations yet to be born. They will not have the slightest idea of how to “form a more perfect union.” They will be dummed down and doped into oblivion and/or become part of the leftist programme.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:19amYeah, so how’s that war on drugs going, people? Really successful, huh?
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:37amThe flow of drugs into the USA, and money out, is the source of all this evil..Americans who buy these drugs are responsible for this violence.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:46amThat’s exactly my point, and by legalizing them problems like these would disappear. I’m not saying every drug should be legal, but marijuana certainly should be and marijuana is one of the biggest drugs produced in Mexico for American consumption.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:01amprohibition cause the same violence in the 1920′s so I somewhat agree with you Doc….Other drugs should never be legal,
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:40amMajority of marijauna comes from US homes…growing in the basement or other buildings. By the view of things, Americans better get off it. 2008 was proof that this drug makes you dull spiritually and mentally—the election of Emperor Obamus Defeatus is just the beginning of the world’s woes.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 4:03amI blame the drug loving PaulBots……. Get rid of them and this all goes away
Report Post »No demand- No market
Razlord
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:39amRepubliCorp,
you sleazy bastid.
who wants ndaa , cispa and warpowers and the illegal wars?
pos romney , thats who…take your bs and shove it back up ur asz.
dam tired of the lying bs.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:17amCORP. You nailed it, lmao. But of course… no Ron Paul acolytes here do any drugs, have ever visited a prostitute, or watch kiddie porn. They just want EVEYONE else to have the freedom to do so.
Some will do anything to try and rationalize their poor choices in life and debauched lifestyle whether it be drugs or any other despicable behavior. Talking up Ron Paul is just part of that rationalization if it gets them the fix they need at the local five and dime store…
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 11:26amTrueamerican:
Yeah, most weed does come from American growers, but about a full 25% comes straight from el-Mexico. And how in the hell can you blame Obama’s election on weed. That’s such a non-sequitur that I can’t even read it with a straight face.
Time2:
Wow, no surprise seeing you pop up to troll. Please explain to me, oh bastion of wisdom, oh font of knowledge, how smoking weed is in any way debauched?
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 11:53amDOCTOR. If you smoke weed… your sole purpose is to get intoxicated. If you Ron Paul supporters (along with the other left) need to get intoxicated to get through your sorry lives… have at it… but don’t get in my way… you will get pushed aside like the slackers you chose to be. Those who can’t seem live in reality and have a need to get high to enjoy themselves have issues deeper than the tool that you choose to get there. Aside from your seemingly inherent paranoia… dope won’t help that in any way.
Report Post »Razlord
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:01pmwaste of flickin time,
funny only you bring up the kiddie pron,
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TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:16pmRAZ. I’m surprised you can get internet service on Ruby Ridge, or Ted Kaczynski’s old shack.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:14pmYou make a lot of very faulty assumptions, Time2, the biggest of which being that weed smokers are always slackers. Some of the most productive people I know enjoy the occasional bowl, and I work in a highly professional field. I graduated with a honors with an engineering degree. I’ve been in charge of operating and maintaining nuclear power plants. The consumption of weed never had any adverse effect on my job performance, nor with the performances of any of my co-workers.
Weed isn‘t the only thing that’s consumed with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated. Alcohol is the same way. Even if you only have a single drink it does intoxicate you to a certain extent. If the ability to get a buzz wasn’t an issue then non-alcoholic beer would have a much bigger market. Nicotine is the same – intoxication is 100% the purpose of smoking cigarettes. Oddly, I have never seen you, throughout all of your anti-Paul ravings, talk down about consuming alcohol and cigarettes. If you’re going to be a condescending ***** then at least be consistent, for Christ’s sake.
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Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:54pmNORDO. You haven’t been paying attention. I feel exactly the same way about alcohol as I do weed or any other “mind altering” intoxicant. The difference between alcohol and weed, or whatever it is that flips your “mind altered” switch is that you can actually drink alcohol to a “certain extent” and NOT get a buzz depending on how big and bad you are. You can also drink alcohol without the intent of getting intoxicated… like a glass of wine with dinner. An abuser is an abuser though and self restraint is the key with alcohol.
The sole purpose of weed or any other illegal substance along the same design is to immediately get you intoxicated and for no other purpose… none at all. I could give a rats behind what your supposed education and work background is because you are a rube trying to rationalize your idiocy… and that far outweighs anything else you may use in your illegal drug using defense.
Why would anyone want put a thief in their mouths to steal their brains eh?
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:55pmDr. Nordo,
I drink a glass of wine once in a while for the same reason I enjoy a nice bowl of crab alfredo. Lord knows it is not for the health benefits or the “effects”. I like the way the different tastes combine.
If you drink it because of the “effects” speak for yourself.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:00pmConservatives in particular should know better than to fall for libertarians’ superficially appealing arguments about the “right” to do drugs… John Locke himself argued that man’s power over his own body was not absolute, that liberty didn’t cover the right to enslave or destroy one’s self…
[…] a man, not having the power of his own life, cannot, by compact, or his own consent, enslave himself to any one, nor put himself under the absolute, arbitrary power of another, to take away his life, when he pleases. No body can give more power than he has himself; and he that cannot take away his own life, cannot give another power over it […] But though this be a state of liberty, yet it is not a state of licence: though man in that state have an uncontroulable liberty to dispose of his person or possessions, yet he has not liberty to destroy himself […]
Liberty requires that we to put up with a lot from our neighbors, but indulging the chaos that mind-altering substances inflict upon society is a bridge too far.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:01pmTIME is right man can not govern himself he needs government the Bigger the better
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Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:17pmCIRCLED. Are you the DOCTOR’S Ed McMahon? Let’s hear a little chuckle to go along with your peanut gallery type head nodding comment.
Other than that… pretty useless statement for a guy who’s job it it to…. circle the wagons. What happens AFTER the wagons are circled? Got a plan? Or do you just… circle the wagons and nod your head while others do the heavy lifting?
Report Post »Thescorcher
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 3:56pm@Time 2
Do you spend most of your time involving yourself in other people’s affairs then your own? You sound like someone who has to much time on their hands to worry about everyone else. Do you also want to be on government medical insurance? How about increasing the amount of standardized testing and doubling the staff in every government agency?
Or would you rather do positive things? How about getting rid of useless spending that in the end is costing people there lives and their future? Does that sound like a good idea?
Answer is yes.
Legalize drugs = getting rid of the profit that funds criminal activity. How many violent criminals run legitimate businesses? Plain Criminals maybe(Madoff) but not violent criminals.
Addicts commit crimes because they can’t afford the drugs. How about using state earned tax dollars(by taxing drugs) to setup more rehabilitation clinics to ween hardcore drug users off the drugs?
It would also make it so people couldn’t get drugs prior to being the appropriate age. I had a lot harder time getting alcohol under the age of 21 then if I wanted to get drugs. People I knew under 18 had access to drugs and not alcohol. I know you don’t like alcohol but the point I am making is it being legal and harder to acquire underage.
This was one mans crusade that through propaganda has spawned generations of liberty assassins willing to forfeit any right they have for some other persons beliefs.
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:14amWhat do we expect? The POTUS is a Jew hater and an American hater as well. Mexican border is disgusting. I guess the rotten apple doesn’t fall far from the rotten tree. PC only gets you shame and undecided wars.
Report Post »sillyfreshness
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:10amI remember back in the 80s when Colombians were thought to be crazy, insane murderers during their cocaine selling heyday, but I see now Mexicans have taken that title. Those Mexicans are brutal and violent. We need to let more of them flood into this country so they can turn the Southwest into a battlefield just like their home country. We need more political correctness, not less.
Report Post »mrmarkjohnson
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:06amIf Obama would secure the southern border, these gangs would have no place to sell their drugs.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:20amPinpoint & napalm the sh*t out of the cartel leaders HQ. A simultaneous decapitation strike on all their compounds & estates would put them out of business for a long while. A good gathering of intel pre strike of who the secondary command and control is, hit them while they’re on the run and poof, they’re done!!!
Report Post »David in OKC
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:02amDon’t worry folks. I‘m sure that Obama will be right on top of the problems on our border just as soon as he’s done suing the state of Arizona. He’s a very busy man you know? I mean he couldnt even get in 9 holes on the golf course before he was dragged away to get his offical okie dokie on the Bin Laden killing. I‘m almost positive that he’s probably in the middle of intense negotiations with the Mexican drug cartels right now. He negotiated with Al Queda didn’t he? Now mainly because of his soothing words terrorism has ended all over the world. Yes siree,, Nothing to worry about here. Also, I’m sure that if he had a son, he would probably look like hanging victim # 3. That alone should give all Americans great comfort.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:32amThat was good David. That POS makes me want to barf. He will not be happy until he sees America in the same fix as Mexico or the Middle East. He is not fit to sit in our WH.
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:13amHe must also sample the products in order to figure out who gets the seal of approval and union backing.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:35pmRight on DAVID, and don‘t forget Oblamo’s “laser like focus on jobs” and how he “won’t rest until everyone who wants a job has one”. Oblamo is a sick joke.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:01am23 unheadulated Mexican’s – Friday night in Mexico
Pat Buchanan talked about the problem of Mexican crime back in the 1980′s, back then he even talked about putting the Army along the border, liberals called him racist, Pat nailed it 30 years ago.
Report Post »ms2020
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:01amThere is a real war going on in Mexico, this may have started out with drugs but it seems they want complete control of the country now. These people are uncivilized, violent and capable of anything.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:13amAnd coming over our border. I would not give a sh* t .. if they would keep it in Mexico .. heck Holder even helped them out .. so they can kill each other. Problem is they won’t stay on their side of the “fence” we don’t build.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:16amDon’t worry everybody will be celebrating Cinco De Mayo Sat. and nobody will care.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:34amNot me … Today is Kentucky Derby Day .. to hell with Mexico .. celebrate something American! Oh and HAPPY BIRTHDAY FREDD .. born 5/5/55!
Report Post »Agnes
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:56pmThe problem is that these are not human beings; they are animals who unfortunately cross over the border illegally and commit more crimes in our country.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:59pmSo far, more than 50,000 casualties have occurred from this standoff between the cartels and the Mexican governmen……and the potus does nothing…..Shame!!!
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:17amHard to believe BHO doesn’t want to flex his responsibility to protect act? I’m sure it’s just not politically advantageous, in a red menace sort of way.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:28amTime to send in the DRONES…POTUS knows the drill !!!
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:58pmDoes the Mexican government know the names of drug barons? If yes, why the government doesn’t simply arrest all of them, including their families and relatives? Or the government prefers to watch hanged corpses?
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:05amFor the same reason that we don’t just arrest all of the heads of criminal organizations in the U.S. “including their families and relatives” – those pesky laws that say you can’t just lock somebody up because you’re sure he’s a bad guy, you have to have evidence to prove it.
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:52pm@CHET HEMPSTEAD:
“….those pesky laws that say you can’t just lock somebody up….,” you said. I know that.
I also know that – for instance, in Russia and the former USSR (just in order not to touch the USA and not to arouse indignation among domestic “social justice” lovers) – it’s a very common situation when police says to a caller: “Don’t call police accusing somebody of an attempt to kill you. He didn’t kill you, right? So, call if he does.”
Do you think I am kidding?
No. It’s almost literary what many Russian citizens hear over the phone when they try to call police asking for help.
And in very many cases the crime really occurs.
Don’t you think that the situation with Mexican drug wars is very similar?
Report Post »Don’t you think that some laws are really pesky and abominably outrageous?
Don’t you know that laws are not imposed by Martians, they are cooked domestically by humans, not always smart, decent and honest ones.
tonydanibradbury
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:56pmHorrific. I will never be able to remove that image from my mind. It’s just too close for comfort.
Report Post »kcinco
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:38pmHorrific site, savage act…too close to home for comfort. A picture that will stick in my mind for a long time. As we sit here in the United States and watch the ridiculous presidential race start to ramp up, mass murder is going on immediately across our border with Mexico. It makes the pathetic display of presidential bravado seem trivial. I say take our military out of the middle east, where we are hated and laughed at, and put them at our Mexico and Canada borders to provide homeland security. Our borders become more and more vulnerable as these brazen gang murderers become bolder as each day passes. What are we waiting for?
Report Post »MooseyStuff
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:54pmAgreed, that country is a mess and any attempts from the Mexican president to do anything about it is total B.S. That is exactly why these cartels are able to run rampant, BECAUSE the Mexican government isn’t doing anything about, I’m sure they have their hands in the cookie jar just like all of the other corrupt officials down there.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:10amfor all those who buy illegal .drugs….you are responsible too…Mr Holder take a good look…we need to send you to Mexico to face justice.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 12:37amThey need to destroy all those who are inflicting these horrors on their country one way or the other. No one knows who to trust is the problem Some chicken out and tell the plans and then the others get dead.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 2:38amWere waiting for O’Blamer to get back from partying with
Report Post »all his Hollyweirds..Needs more Fundraising, ya know..
CFL Tea Party
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:37pmNO MORE IMMIGRANTS FROM OUR SOUTHERN BORDER, PERIOD! Don‘t let another one in until we completely seal it off and properly account for who’s entering.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:37pmThe drug war kills more people than the drugs themselves:
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Report Post »“The effects of Prohibition were largely unanticipated. Production, importation, and distribution of alcoholic beverages — once the province of legitimate business — were taken over by criminal gangs, which fought each other for market control in violent confrontations, including mass murder. Major gangsters, such as Omaha‘s Tom Dennison and Chicago’s Al Capone, became rich and were admired locally and nationally. Enforcement was difficult because the gangs became so rich they were often able to bribe underpaid and understaffed law-enforcement personnel and pay for expensive lawyers.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volstead_Act
Constructionist
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:31pmSpeaking about beheadings is racist, please use the term ‘unheadulated workers’.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:27pmI wonder how long until Obama allows the cartels free reign in the US with such violence used against the citizens of America for his purposes of control via terror and force; in the madness he displays daily nothing will suprise me anymore.
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 1:39amDuring the Clinton admin, there was talk about Slick-Willie giving gun-runners free reign in the great lakes area and forbidding the Coast Guard from going into the area, I have even talked to navy personnel who said the same thing.
Report Post »Soldier of Fortune magazine had an article about the story, even stated that these smugglers had surplus Vietnam-era patrol boats and were firing on Coast Guard boats when sighted.
j_blaze14
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:26pmdon’t worry main stream media, nothing to see here. all is fine in the world. keep telling us about jonh edwards and the unemployment rate or the newset video on youtube. go ahead.
Report Post »gmoss
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:22pmThis is so F’d up that we still have a border that is wide open to a terrorist state. This is just one more reason the border should be shut down so tight an ant cant get through. Why cant libs figure this out, towel heads are not the only terrorists in the world.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:14pmHow Many FAST &’ FURIOUS GUNS were USED
Report Post »Razlord
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:13pmsees like arms trafficking is the place to be…do not have to worry about silly laws and such.
ollie north, eric holder-barry soetoro.
Report Post »dont_tax_me_bro
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:54amLay off the ganja mon! It makes you right wing nuts look that much more ignorant…LOL!
Report Post »mrsmileyface
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:38amHappy Cinco De Mayo Mexico! Look at all the happy faces in those pictures! You should be proud.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:09amBRO. RAZ (this is one of his 3/4 accounts) is cut from the same cloth as you. Based on your avatar, you should get along just fine with this extreme right fringer. He holds no alliance with either Party as he’s a Ron Paul “fluffer.” He’s so right fringe, he meets the left on many an occasion. I think you two should kiss and make up. Lol.
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