CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — Gunmen killed 25 people in a series of drug-gang attacks in Ciudad Juarez, marking the deadliest day in more than two years for the Mexican border city. Farther east on the border, 85 inmates scaled the walls of a prison and escaped Friday in Mexico’s biggest jail break in recent memory.
Despite the violence, President Felipe Calderon hotly disputed a statement this week by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying Mexico resembled Colombia two decades ago.
“These kind of comments like the ones made by Secretary of State Clinton … so careless, so lacking in seriousness, are very painful for Mexico, because they damage Mexico’s image terribly,” Calderon told the Spanish-language network Univision.
“I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption,” Calderon said. “We are both victims of the enormous American consumption of drugs, and now the sales of weapons.”
The toll in Thursday’s attacks in Ciudad Juarez included 15 people killed when attackers stormed four homes in three hours, said Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Attorney General’s Office of Chihuahua state, where Ciudad Juarez is located.
In the worst of those attacks, gunmen burst into a house and killed two young men — then killed four others for being witnesses.
Sandoval said it was the highest single-day murder toll in the city across from El Paso, Texas, since March 2008. He did not give more details of how many died back then, or say what day.
Two graffiti message appeared in Ciudad Juarez threatening Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, the fugitive head of the Sinaloa drug cartel.
“You are killing our sons. You already did, and now we are going to kill your families,” one sign read.
In the border city of Reynosa, across the border from McAllen, Texas, 85 inmates — 66 of whom were convicted or on trial for federal charges like weapons possession or drugs — scaled the Reynosa prison’s 20-foot (6-meter) walls using ladders, said the Tamaulipas state public safety secretary, Jose Garza Garcia.
Garza Garcia said 44 prison guards and employees were under investigation. Two were missing.
“The guards evidently helped in the escape,” he said. So far this year a total of 201 inmates have escaped from prisons in Tamaulipas.
Friday’s escape was the largest single mass prison breakout in recent years. In 2009, armed assailants believed to be working for the Zetas drug gang broke 53 inmates out of a prison in the northern state of Zacatecas while guards stood by and did nothing to stop them.
Ciudad Juarez, with a population of 1.3 million, has become one of the world’s most dangerous cities amid a turf war between the Sinaloa and Juarez cartels.
Violence has continued unabated despite the deployment of thousands of soldiers to the city this year. Federal police, including a special investigative unit, later took over security in the city as part of a new strategy announced by President Felipe Calderon.
More than 2,100 people have been killed this year in Ciudad Juarez, putting the city on pace to surpass its previous high of 2,700, set last year.
Daily homicide tolls routinely reach double digits in Juarez; 24 people were killed Aug. 15.
Also Friday, Sandoval confirmed that a U.S. resident kidnapped in Ciudad Juarez last month was found dead.
Saul de la Rosa, 27, was abducted along with two other people when he crossed into Ciudad Juarez on Aug. 28. All three bodies were found Sept. 2, and Sandoval said documents found on De la Rosa indicated he was a U.S. resident.
Elsewhere in Mexico, at least five people were killed in the southern Pacific coast state of Guerrero, where various cartels are also fighting for territory, state police reported. One body was found floating in the ocean in a beach town just north of the resort city of Acapulco, his hands and feet bound.
In central Morelos state, a prison riot left one inmate dead and eight wounded. Guerrero and Morelos state have both been battlegrounds for control the Beltran Leyva cartel since its leader, Arturo Beltran Leyva, was killed in a December shootout with Marines.
One of the alleged kingpins fighting for control of Morelos, U.S.-born Edgar “La Barbie” Valdez Villarreal, was captured Aug. 30 by federal police, but different accounts of how he was caught have since emerged.
The Mexican government has said the arrest was the result of a 1½-year investigation and a carefully planned raid involving agents specially trained abroad.
But a copy of the booking report obtained by The Associated Press and other media outlets Thursday indicates the officers who arrested him did not initially know who they had caught. The officers’ report says they detained Valdez after chasing him in a suspicious three-vehicle convoy for several miles.
On Friday, Valdez’s U.S. lawyer, Kent Schaffer, told The Associated Press that Mexican authorities lured Valdez to a business 10 miles from his ranch by having a detained associate call and ask to meet him. He said Valdez drove to the place, got out of the car and found himself surrounded.
Schaffer said Valdez told him the associate was forced to make the call at gunpoint.
“He wasn’t pulled over for traffic. He wasn’t chased at all,” Schaffer said. “From what I understand, an associate of Mr. Valdez was ordered at gunpoint to send him a message telling him to come meet.”
A federal police spokesman, who was not authorized by department rules to be quoted by name, said an associate of Valdez’s apparently did call Valdez just before he was caught, but said that happened while police were tailing the associate’s car in Mexico City.
When the associate noticed the police, he opened fire and was killed in the ensuing gunbattle near a major shopping center, the spokesman said.
Also Friday, Mexico’s attorney general said video tapes distributed by authorities showing Valdez giving a rambling account of his drug dealings are considered “interviews,” and could not be formally submitted as evidence because his lawyer was not present. Attorney General Arturo Chavez said that in formal statements with his lawyer present, Valdez did not admit to the activities he acknowledged on the tapes.
Schaffer also said he filed an official request with the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City asking that the U.S. government request Valdez be deported to face trial in the United States, where he faces charges in three states for allegedly trucking in tons of cocaine.
A Mexican judge last week ordered Valdez held for 40 days while prosecutors here decide whether to formally file organized crime and other charges. Mexican authorities have said deportation is a possibility but have made no decision.
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Associated Press writers Alexandra Olson and E. Eduardo Castillo contributed to this report.
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victorymanns
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:47amI would like to respond to dingleberrybags . you just post to make people angry CHILD GROW UP & SMELL THE COFFEE .
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:47amIn the book “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu. The act of using one countries population to cross border into the opposing country has been a very successful strategy throughout history. Hence the invetion of LAND MINES!!!! Who needs a fence. Just say‘in what your feel’in.
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victorymanns
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:44amIf we the U.S.A. build a complete fence along the border & stop the flow of drugs ,guns & people illeagle of course . ALL the crap would stop
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:31amOur special forces are gearing up as we speak. Once again it’s the USA to the rescue. If a government allows the amount of corruption that the mexicans have allowed, they deserve the anarchy that they invited. This is what chairman barry sotero’s plan for the USA is. But of coarse we need to get their oil before china does. indeed
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:18amWhen the muslims take over mexico that’s when we will close the border. I’m not feeling the love for the mexicans or the muslims. Starting to get a attitude. Just say’in
Report Post »Claude
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 7:31amThe people of Mexico need more guns. The innocents being slaughtered are unarmed and have no government protection or worse the government is participating in the bloodshed. Arm the people so they can defend themselves and their families but no the UN says that the US is providing half of the weapons used and that laws are broken here by criminals to do it. Imagine that criminals breaking the law and we want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves. Won‘t be long we’ll be like the Mexicans being intimidated or slaughtered by those that have no respect for the law.
Report Post »Dodsfall
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 7:31amThe Mexican government has historically been complicit in the drug trade at all levels. The cartels are recently giving them problems because they have grown self-sufficient enough not to need the corrupt government any more. The violence doesn’t bother the government as much as the fact that the cartels have stopped bribing them. They need to clean up their own house before blaming everyone else for their problems.
Report Post »BigFoot
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 7:11am“These kind of comments like the ones made by Secretary of State Clinton … so careless, so lacking in seriousness, are very painful for Mexico, because they damage Mexico’s image terribly,”
What image?
Report Post »red penny
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 6:05amHey guys,do yourself a favor and don’t reply to DANGLINGBAGS;he‘s a moron and doesn’t deserve a repy to any of his disjointed posts!
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on September 12, 2010 at 1:07amYour right of course. We shouldn’t reply at all…………………….
Buuuuut, It’s just SO MUCH FUN!!!!!!
Report Post »honestyplease
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 3:49amLet’s see… 2+2=4!!! Very good children!
So, let me get this straight…
Arizona alerts the feds that there is a problem with the illegal human trafficking between itself and Mexico (it’s also a problem in California and Texas), the feds not only refuse to enforce the law, but sue AZ to prevent them from doing anything about the problem. Meanwhile, ANYONE AND EVERYONE crosses the border into the United States illegally (with the outspoken blessing of the federal govt.) and once here, I’m sure they have no problem finding established “citizens” to help with the purchase of firearms. I would guess that getting “back into” Mexico with firearms is as easy as getting here in the first place.
Recent memory recalls El Presidente Calderon at the Whitehouse, taking sides with our Fed Govt. and scolding AZ for it’s terrible policies, then Mexico has the unmitigated odacity to sue Arizona! WTF? Mexico, suing AZ? (I don’t even know where to begin with that!)
Fast forward to todays statement by El Presidente Calderon… “I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption,” Calderon said. “We are both victims of the enormous American consumption of drugs, and now the sales of weapons.”
ummm, McFly…
Report Post »SO LET’S STOP THE ILLEGAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC ACROSS OUR BORDER! It can only benefit both of our countries. No more drugs into the U.S. through Mexico, no more guns into Mexico from the U.S. problem solved!
RableRouser
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 3:44amAmericans need to wake up and realize how these mexican drug gangs operate.This is’nt the 80s anymore where you have planes full of drugs meeting a couple of guys out at some deserted air feild somewhere.These mexican gangs really use the power of all these illegals to their advantage.Let’s say “juan”and his family want to go to the u.s.ok so they go to the coyotes(part of the gangs) to get them across.The price $20,000(or whatever) per family member plus backpacks and bags full of dope.The gang sets them up with a job,place to live,car,fake documents whatever they need.Now “juan” is in debt to the gang for a lot of money.Now “juan” can pay off that debt by doing things for the gang.Or he can get his legs broke or just “dissapear”.Now he works in the day then deals or moves drugs or Whatever the gang wants him to do.All of this operation is done by word of mouth and threats and intimidation.If anyone talks,Their entire family (and in mexico)is in danger.if he gets busted, no big deal,he was just a little pawn.If he is high up in the gang they have plenty of money for lawyers.You see they USE this entire network of illegals and buisneses for their operation.They each have their specific jobs and duties just like a real corparation.They have unlimited manpower,money,guns and resources.This is why they are all fighting for CONTROL of this massive drug empire.So the next time you see someone smoking dope or doing drugs and saying “drugs don’t hurt anyone”.Or liberals that want to throw open the borders. that is what is powering all of this.
Report Post »ADMIRAL747
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 1:37amSince Phoenix is rated second to the kidnapping capital of the world, can’t we just sue Arizona for not allowing the Federal Government the opportunity to do their job? Janet Napolitano would stop all the pain if Arizona would just mind their own business. Ok, I won’t quit my day job. It was harder to think along this logic than it was to type it. How much does this lawsuit cost the taxpayers and how many more miles of fence could we have built with it?
Report Post »therighthand
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:56amThe good news is that the dead ones can’t cross the border.
Report Post »FlatFoot
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:33amLiving in San Diego we get a lot of news from south of the border that is not usually disseminated in the U.S. mainstream media. It’s almost as if our MSM is running interference for the Baja California/Mexico Tourism P.R. people. There are, at minimum, multiple homicides each and every day just in greater Tijuana alone. We almost never hear from the citizens of Mexico, or from Mexican citizens on this side of the border, any condemnation of the drug cartels and the rampant bloodshed on a daily basis in Mexico. They don’t even condemn their own government for doing so very little to stop it. Perhaps that is out of fear of reprisal. But there is very little being done on the Mexican side of the border about anything that concerns illegal activity from illegal immigration to the most heinous of crimes. The entire country is corrupt from the meter maids to El Presidente. It is a cancer.
Report Post »tankchaser
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:26amEl Presidente, your people are victims of a corrupt government, the drug cartels have deep pockets and your cronies reach in there to much, the guns I’m sure that a few come from America, the ones you tell us about are the ones that still have serial numbers on them, probably stolen by the mules that run back and forth across the border. Where do the rest of the AK’s and 9mm machine pistols come from, maybe your military????? Americas enormous consumption of drugs?? have you looked at the head cases on the Juarez streets, whores with needle tracks up their arms?? Unemployed people so desperate that they cross the burning desert to get out of your country!!! I know whats across the ditch just as well as you do!!!! I have friends in J-town that I will probably never get to see again, I live on the border just like the good and law abiding citizens of Juarez, because even with the violence in the street in a town of 1.3 million people there are a lot of good people. So if your feelings get hurt by being compared to Colombia I don’t really care, fix your country before you throw all the blame on the USA, clean out your own swamp before you point at ours! You have ample natural resources to make your country as good or even better then the USA 20 years ago but the corruption holds your citizens down.
Dbags, I don’t know of any people that would pay for a $200.00 tax stamp to convert their semi automatic weapons into full auto then sell them to other people, even with a large profit and reporting the weapon stolen, the headache wouldn’t be worth the trouble. ( I realize that I may have dated myself on the price of the tax stamp, that’s the price 25 years ago or so. LOL)
Armed society is polite society.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:15amThis is what you get when you allow others to build bridges in your backyard, and then say your are an insensitive racist!
Report Post »stonebrash
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:49pmSo tired of people (and countries) playing the victim. “It’s not my fault. It’s the evil USA, Republicans, Conservatives, Bush (choose one). They made me do it……”
Report Post »Sheesh!
merillorang
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:06amAgreed!!!! People need to get off of their politically correct asses and take a little responsibility. If you don’t like the US, people still have the right to leave. Or not come here at all. Mexico passed out pamplets on how to safely sneak across the border to the people living along the border. I say we should send MORE guns down there and close the border off completely. Problem solved. They will just have a mexican standoff, then shoot each other.
Report Post »honestyplease
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 3:57amThere you go, making sense again!
Report Post »onenation
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:40pmFirst, BUILD THE FENCE, YOU MORONS. Second, how dare you blame Mexico’s gun problem on the NRA you fool… Those guns don’t load and shoot themselves. And all of the stories you hear about the US guns across the border is baloney. Why should WE change our laws because Mexico is out of control? This is why we are having our freedoms taken away. Because ignoramuses like you make statements like that. Calderone had better stop bashing the US. We should not send the Mexicans another dime. Let them blow in the wind.
Report Post »I am glad that SOMEONE in this childish administration spoke up. BUILD THE FENCE and then land mine around it. We will put an end to the invasion from the south IMMEDIATELY. It’s not that simple? Oh, yes it is. Instead of legalizing pot make it a mandatory TEN YEAR PRISON SENTENCE and watch how much pot gets consumed by the American public, Californication excepted. We need to invade California, throw out all unions in the state and start over.
danglingbags
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:39pmI just burned 100 copies of “Overton Window” in my driveway while playing “I am Proud to be American” backwards on my turntable. When I did an angel came down from heaven and said…………………………
My child of Jesus….”Go out and buy gold from Goldline using traceable links from Glen Beck’s website or mention Glenn when calling 1-800-goldline today.”
I tell you…I was quite moved.
RESTORATION1787
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:00amAre you having a good time? Whats the matter? Mommy raise your room and board for the basement?
Report Post »Welfare won’t cover the increase? Just curious. God Bless America and fools like you too.
merillorang
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:02amYou are just a troll, a person wandering around message boards trying to start arguments. If you aren’t really a troll, then I have to say, you are one of the dumbest people I have every had the horror of reading.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:11amEd,Ed, Ed…Slow down baby… take a deep breath and take your meds…Save it for you radio and TV show…Mellow…..Mellow….Ohmmmm……Ohmmmm…there’s now place like Ohmm…..
Report Post »red-dirt republican
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 4:40amDon’t feed the trolls!!!!
Report Post »H2OBoardem
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 6:41amD-bags – Does it hurt when your only two brain cells collide in there?
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:32amNow that was funny, you freak
Report Post »NancyPalousy
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:46amNot only are you totally ignorant and maladroit, but you’re an intolerant hater as well.
Report Post »KATBAB
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:20pmI’m sure Glenn appreciates you buying 100 copies of his book!!!
Report Post »Jingoistic
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 3:33pmTake a deep breath and keep repeating “tolerance, tolerance, tolerance…
Report Post »K.G.
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:33pmI live 15 miles from the border. And we have guns. Chances are in our case, it would probably be American gangs breaking down the door, but that’s beside the point. How long does it take for them to either rape or kill you? Fifteen seconds. How long does it take for the sheriff to arrive? Fifteen minutes.
Anybody who does not own guns in this day and age is irresponsible.
BTW: My friend, a husband and father of an 18 month old boy was killed by illegals trying to protect his family. Illegals raped a 15-year-old neighbor girl as she waited for the school bus. Illegals stole by friend‘s kids’ bicycles and killed their dog for barking. None of this was in AZ, but San Diego–and several years ago.
We’ve been fighting for order on the border for decades. Nobody listens. Duncan Hunter finally got us a triple fence and voila–it works. Except for all the illegals coming into CA from AZ. The Border Patrol is busy in my neck of the woods, stopping and profiling @ will, but they can only work about 80 miles north of the border.
If people get beyond that zone, they are home free in the land of the free where everything is free.
Report Post »HAL9000
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:47pmSecure the border! Secure the border! It works everytime it’s tried. The drug cartel money supply will then dry up.
Report Post »danglingbags
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:50pmDuncan Hunter….has he been paroled yet?….another member of the GOP hall of shame
KEA
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:31pmPlease present your facts Danglebags. Facts dont lie! The automatic weapons being seized in Mexico are NOT comeing from the US and those facts are indesuputable.
Muskets and Flintlock Pistols? Missed that in the Constitution. Might want to check your history before you open your mouth and look stupid.
The first integrated cartridge, was developed in Paris in 1808 by the Swiss gunsmith Jean Samuel Pauly in association with French gunsmith François Prélat. Pauly created the first fully self-contained cartridges: the cartridges incorporated a copper base with integrated mercury fulminate primer powder (the major innovation of Pauly), a paper casing and a round bullet.The cartridge was loaded through the breech and fired with a needle. The needle-activated central-fire breech-loading gun would become a major feature of firearms thereafter. Pauly made an improved version, protected by a patent, on 29 September 1812.
Let me get this right, you think that our founding fathers didnt want woman to own a gun? You realy dont know history do you. Many woman took up arms to fight for this country and again, your lack of “knowing” fact based history is reflective in your comments.
Its OK though, I know how you feel, I felt the same way, however what I found was that just becuase a person was in the front of the class teaching, regardless of their credentials, it didnt make them right. Sounds like some of the teaching you recieved may have been misguided at best.
Good luck in your search of truth, assuming you realy care about truth.
Report Post »andrey1279
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:15pmas danglingbags bag has right to speak. YOU have a right, when you see this childish name to skip over the comment with out reading his hate and trash. BE VISE.
Report Post »andrey1279
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:02pmNo wonder many Mexicans are risking death to cross the border, if they stay in Mexico they know they have no life. Clean house El Presidente that you can criticize Clinton!!
Report Post »smartypoop
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:59pmIts ok, the President says our borders are more secure than they have ever been, the violence will not bleed accross the border…….no wait…….never mind.
Report Post »Stupid Windmill
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:17pmDang that sucks.
Report Post »danglingbags
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:01pmTHe main reason for all the violence in mexico is all the guns that end up there from USA. In what I believe to be penile compensation issues among NRA members, we have too many auto and semi auto weapons.
OUR FOUNDING FATHERS ONLY INTENDED FOR US TO OWN MUSKETS AND FLINTLOCK PISTOLS. THIS WAS AN “ARM” IN 1789. SO WHY DO YOU RIGHT WING NRA FOOLS HATE AMERICAN AND THE CONSTITUTION BY TRAMPLING THE 2ND AMENDMENT with your autos and semi autos and revolvers???
Plus, the founder fathers said you had to be in the army to own a gun and by no means should a women own a gun.
Wow, you tbaggers hate the 1st, 10th and 14th amemdment too. TALK ABOUT AMERICA HATING!
Larurie Burnell
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:22pmThis is in reply to Dingelbag. You have got to be kidding. The reason for the bloodshed is gun? The reason for murder is the knife? The reason for rape is the penis? The reason for assault is the fist? The reason for the bank robbery is the money? The reason for the lie is the mouth? There is no reason for you.
Report Post »onenation
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:42pmDanglingbags needs to grow a pair. No guns, no guts and no brains. Go visit the DailyKos. You’ll be right at home there.
Report Post »baldwin4freedom
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:51pmIn response to dinglebeans
A well regulated Militia,( of which at that time were those of the community) being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people (if they meant only the military then that is what would have been placed here) to keep and bear Arms, (no mention of limiting what kind of Arms) shall not be infringed. (meaning not to be taken away)
Report Post »merillorang
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 11:57pmdanglingbags —- you are an idiot, plain and simple. For one, it wasn’t expected for you to be in the army to have a firearm. Every man of legal age was expected to have a firearm and be available for the draft. Most firearms used in the wars at that time were owned by the people using them. Secondly, the whole reason that owning a firearm was protected in the constitution was so that we, the people, could keep the government in check. It would be pretty difficult to do that with MUSKETS AND FLINTLOCK PISTOLS. And thirdly, the people in mexico causing the problems are using mostly AUTOMATIC weapons, machine guns, not semi-auto firearms. While it IS legal to buy and own one of those here in the US, they are heavily regulated and tracked. Those are not showing up in mexico. I’m sure some guns from the US have ended up in mexico. Some from mexico end up here as well. Just the nature of borders. Fact is, laws constraining the lawful ownership of firearms do nothing against the people that dont obey the laws. Take Australia for example, they confiscated all firearms across the country. What did they get? A 56% jump in violent crime in the first year alone. And it continued to rise and has yet to stop. On the other hand, lets look at a nice gun loving state. Texas has pretty low crime rates. Why? Because if crackhead Joe grabs grandmas purse, she is likely to pull a 44 out and blow him away. Kinda makes him think twice about robbing old laddies. As a matter of fact, you should follow his example and think twice, no maybe a whole bunch more times.
Report Post »Joseph
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 12:08amEd, Ed, Ed, slow down baby… We need you for your national TV show to make a fool of yourself on, not here! Please, we don’t need you to vaporlock on us here! Better to do it on TV!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 2:30amMerillorang, didn’t you see in a previous comment that Danglingbags was college educated and we needed to get our GED? I mean, how can you argue with that!
Report Post »FreeToGovern
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 5:34am@Dangle- The founders also only intended Freedom of press to include hand presses, letters written on paper, and actual speech, no TV, Radio, or internet in 1789. So, I guess we should all stop breaking the founders idea of the first amendment also.
Report Post »H2OBoardem
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 6:30am@Nothing in there to Dangle – Silly Progressive, Big Government is for Subjects Not Citizens.
So, you admit that the U.S. Constitution is not a living document for progressives to changes as times change. The Second Amendment only applies to muskets and flintlocks? I guess that means that the Freedom of the Press does not apply to radio, TV, or the Internet. Likewise, the Freedom of “expression” is out, as is Miranda and a whole bunch of other recent interpretations. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms just as other areas naturally includes the evolution of such firearms technology, sort of like your evolution in typing when you discovered the Caps Lock key (but only after people with functional brains pointed it out to you).
The Second Amendment was enacted to guiarantee the preservation of the First Amendment. Our Founding Fathers placed the right to keep and bear arms after the freedoms OF speech, religion, press, assembly because they understood that Tyrants believe that the world revolves around the governemnt. Our Founding Fathers understood that Tyrants always outlaw the freedoms identified in the First Amendment. The Militias in early years of the U.S. were the armed forces of the individual States which were not formal, standing entities. The Federal military was a very small force that naturally required reinfocement from the States. When the State militia units of the Civil War stood up, the volunteers brought their own PERSONAL firearms with them. It was only later that the Federal governement provided standardized weapons. Obviously that “university” you attended wasn’t much for standards in curriculum, professors or students. Brains were given to us by God for us to think and reason with, you have repeatedly failed to demonstate that you ever learned to use those God-given abilities.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:03amFirst of all, it is a leap to say that the founding fathers wrote ratified the second amendment so that citizens can keep their government in check. The amendment says nothing of the sort. Security obviously means the threat of foreign invasion, which was indeed a very real and pressing concern. The founders never thought it would be a good idea for citizens to rebel whenever they did not like what their government was doing (See Shay’s Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, etc.).
Report Post »FreeToGovern
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 8:31amHere’s a radical thought to ponder. How about eliminating ALL entitlements, drug laws, and open the borders, so that anybody who wants to come here can, but don’t expect ANY government handouts or GOVERNMENT assistance. Just come through a legal checkpoint and register. As for the drug laws, why are we spending so much money protecting people from themselves? Punish people for their actions (i.e. A drunk kills someone in a motor vehicle accident, charge that person with murder not manslaughter.) If this ever happened, what would happen to the drug gangs, the illegal immigration problem, and the federal budget? I know the politicians won’t touch these things, but think of this as a mental exercise.
Report Post »Trying2Understand
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 9:03am“…and by no means should a woman own a gun.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ohhh, that is so asinine it’s funny! Really, my eyes are watering! Stop, you’re making my sides hurt!
Report Post »AirtechJr
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 10:02amDingalingbags,,
Texans have a way of getting right to the point, they have a saying that fits you perfectly. “You can’t fix stupid”
Do some homework, read the founding fathers. “The right to keep and bears arms”, as well as “one nation under God” is extremely well documented. Not just in our founding documents.
I carry a gun everyday, it has never harmed anyone, but it has helped a few, even stupid people like yourself that cry like babies for help when they end up being caught IWU. (ignorant while unprepared).
Read the USDOJ violent crime statistics, states that have “Shall Issue” concealed carry laws have cities with a much lower violent crime rate than areas like Chicago, New York, and Wash DC where only criminals are allowed to have guns. Yes I say allowed, because they do not agressivly enforce existing gun laws in regards to criminals. It’s the Chicago way.
Brutally eye opening. These cities only allow elitists, politicians and connected types the right to self protection. (Mayor Daley, Mayor Bloomberg for example). Is their life more important than yours? Are you willing to give your life to prove your point that guns can not be tools to be used by law abiding citizens to save lives? If you were threatened would you want someone like me who is well trained to use my tools to help?, or would you say “no, please don’t, I don’t believe in guns”. Darwin and myself see eye to eye on this.
I work with lifers everyday, 95% of them will never see free society, one thing they all agree on, if they feel someone is armed they move on to the next possible victim, the ignorant and unprepared. This is true in the joint OR on the street. They move in packs and are cowards.
I hope you do not fall victim to such, but Darwin does have a way of weeding out the herd.
Report Post »You do agree with Darwin don’t you? I thought so.
As for me, ” I want to die of old age, in my home, surrounded by my friends and family, the people I love. I carry a gun just in case some dirtbag tries to screw up my plans”
NancyPalousy
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:25amDinglingbag, you’re a LIAR! FACT, almost all of their illegal weapons are channeled in through their southern border and come from Argentina. Argentina gets their weapons from the Middle East. They are using AK-47′s not M4 models. Your ignorant spew just PROVES how open minded you really are. SHEEP FOOL!
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Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:31amDingelingbag lie #2, “OUR FOUNDING FATHERS ONLY INTENDED FOR US TO OWN MUSKETS AND FLINTLOCK PISTOLS. THIS WAS AN “ARM” IN 1789. SO WHY DO YOU RIGHT WING NRA FOOLS HATE AMERICAN AND THE CONSTITUTION BY TRAMPLING THE 2ND AMENDMENT with your autos and semi autos and revolvers???”
Report Post »Did they really? Show us WHERE any founding documents state that, just one! You can’t! Because, if you actually read the first amendment, you easily understand the our founding fathers idea was that the citizens were not just the standing Army, but also the police. Because it states that “the people” are the “well regulated malitia”. Your question doesn’t require an answer because if base on false premise to begin with. Go get a life, armature.
NancyPalousy
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:34amDingelingbag LIE #3, “Plus, the founder fathers said you had to be in the army to own a gun and by no means should a women own a gun.”
Report Post »The second amendment states, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
NOWHERE does it state that you have to be in the army to own a gun, it states that its the “right of the people”, not “the right of men in the army only”. Dolt.
NancyPalousy
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:40am…and, nice vapid comment here Dingelingbag, “Wow, you tbaggers hate the 1st, 10th and 14th amemdment too. TALK ABOUT AMERICA HATING!”
Report Post »No, its your party that hates the 1st amendment. When have us “tbaggers” ever introduced any legislation limiting the 1st amendment, like your “Fairness Doctrine”.
As for the 10th amendment, if you’d turn off Mr. Ed Dolts and actually listen to what happens at the Tea Party events, you’d learn the we are championing the 10th and 14th amendments calling for equal rights for ALL. Its obvious that you don‘t even a thing about either of the two and that you’re just regurgitating what you heard on that left-wing hate channel “Left” on your Sirius Radio.
Jingoistic
Posted on September 11, 2010 at 3:03pmMussel loaders, canons, explosives and so on were the assault weapons of the day during the Civil War. Citizens had access to the most sophisticated weapons available at the time without restriction. That said we are currently far below the standard of the 2nd amendment set by our founders. Are there common sense limitations? Of course there are, I don‘t think everyone needs LAW’s, TOW’s, SAM‘s and I don’t really want my neighbors to have nukes.
The 1st amendment also requires the use of common sense, something that seems to be in very short supply today. The burn it and build it crowds never seem to take the time to consider, just because I can should I?
The 10th amendment, that one is clear as a bell yet it has been trampled nearly into oblivion by the Federal Government, Dems and Repubs a like.
Keeping your Liberty is akin to keeping water in a sieve, and keeping a Government constrained is much the same.
Yes the first 10 amendments were to control the Government not the people.
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Posted on September 11, 2010 at 11:13pmDB, your knowledge of the 2nd Amendment is pathetic to say the least. If you knew that you know nothing about its intent then at least you’d know something. In your case, you know less than nothing. Try reading some of the Founders supporting documents, like the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers instead of spouting a bunch of collectivist nonsense. The 2nd Amendment was written for two reasons. Foremost is the preservation of the First Law of Nature, the right to self defense. Samuel Adams wrote extensively on this in his “The Rights of the Colonist”. The second, to prevent a tyrannical government from being able to usurp the Natural Law Rights of the People. I also suggest you read Marcus Tullius Cicero. His writings on Natural Law and “On The Republic” were some of the greatest influences on our Founding Fathers and the formation of this country. You should really get to know these works before typing another really ignorant post.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on September 12, 2010 at 12:53amWell tell you what DANGLINGBAGS, we’ll just keep clinging to our GUNS and BIBLES out here in the real world. And just anytime you and your fellow travelers want to come get them, COME ON DOWN!! You see Comrade, the practical side of all this escapes your kind as usual. For many millions of us, what the Constitution says is real simple, it GARRANTEES the RIGHTS that GOD bestowed on ALL of us. So, what you and your Communist Government Pals decide about it, really don‘t make a Rat’s Ass in Hades to us!!
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