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50+ Professors & Staff Resign From Christian University After Refusing to Sign Homosexuality Pledge

Employees Resign From Shorter University Over Lifestyle Pledge | HomosexualityLast October, news broke that Shorter University, a Christian college in Rome, Georgia, had decided to ask its employees to sign a controversial pledge that affirms that they are not engaging in homosexuality, among other forbidden activities. Now, after scores of employees refused to sign the document, the college, which is affiliated with the Georgia Baptist Convention, has reportedly received a massive number of resignations.

Rather than renewing their contracts with the private school, around 50 staffers (the NY Daily News reports that the number is closer to 60) refused to sign the “Personal Lifestyle Statement,” and simply decided to throw in the towel. The Christian Post has more:

Dr. J. Robert White, executive director of the Georgia Baptist Convention, which Shorter is a part of, told The Christian Post that the “lifestyle statement” is consistent with the convention’s position.

“We have not taken a specific position related to the ‘lifestyle statement,’” said White, “but the history of our convention, which goes back to 1822, has approved many resolutions regarding homosexuality as a sin and alcohol use as ill-advised.”

Despite the outcry from some faculty and staff regarding the statement, White did not believe the measure would be overturned.

“I do not believe there will be any changes in the ‘lifestyle statement’ due to people who are opposed to it,” said White. “I think that at any educational institution the faculty and the administration are responsible for following the guidelines set by the board of trustees who provide this whole governance for the university.”

Plainly stated: the opposition to the regulatory mechanism isn’t likely to lead Shorter University to reverse course. Aside from forbidding an active role in a gay relationship, the lifestyle pledge also bans pre-marital sex, adultery and drug use and abuse. Additionally, employees are asked to be active members of a church and to live their lives as committed, Bible-believing followers of Jesus Christ.

“Shorter University will hire persons who are committed Bible believing Christians, who are dedicated to integrating biblical faith in their classes and who are in agreement with the University Statement of Faith,” the document reads. “Moreover, employees are expected to be active members of a local church.”

Michael Wilson, a tenured librarian who has worked at the school for 14 years, had originally planned to stay until retirement. Now, in light of the statement’s enforcement, he has handed in his resignation. Wilson, who is gay, naturally refused to sign the document, calling his choice “a matter of conscience.”

Below, see footage from a protest against the statement last November:

In October, university president Don Dowless defended the new policy, while claiming that the higher educational facility can both discriminate in its hiring practices and make specific requirements of employees.

“We have a right to hire only Christians,” he said. “I think that anybody who adheres to a lifestyle that is outside of what the biblical mandate is and of what the board has passed, including the president, would not be allowed to continue here.”

For now, it seems Shorter University is digging its heels into its decision and will likely be in need of quite a number of new staffers. In responding to the latest news of mass departures, Dowless says that the university wishes those who choose to leave well.

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  • ThePostman
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:14pm

    It is shocking that a Christian university allowed so many gays in the doors in the first place. They need to improve their hiring practices. While they are at it, maybe they could exclude active heroin addicts and convicted felons.

    Well, at least they will be able to find employment over at the local Muslim University. Oh wait, Muslims shun them too.

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    • TexasHunter
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:21pm

      You are correct. This is one way to get rid of the bad apples. aka liberals, socialist, democrats, and probably some republicans. Either way I am glad they are not teaching there anymore. Hopefully the school learns a valuable lesson and OTHERS TAKE NOTE !

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    • HKS
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:34pm

      Wow, that many bad ones in the good school, One can only imagine whats in the state schools, now wonder were falling off a cliff.

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    • scruffycat
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:40pm

      Hey, this Purity Test of theirs worked pretty good. 50 little buggers scurrying for cover. I wonder where else such a Purity Test could be employed.

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    • horsehockey
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:41pm

      You are correct. One thing it does show though, I think, is the state of organized religion unfortunately, even the Baptist Church. Look at what many of the major(Methodist, Episcopalian, etc)denominations have condoned in the last decade or two. Some have fractured because of internal disorder, and that’s good, it shows some people have the courage to stand on principle. As for me, I’ll find an independent, evangelical church that will stand on principle and moral rectitude.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:42pm

      Let’s see … alcohol use is bad and forbidden, too. How many of you who clap your hands for this university partake of the fruit of the vine? I guess your bibles prove beyond doubt that a glass of wine during dinner is sinful as well? Where does this end? The crusades again, perhaps?

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:45pm

      when i taught at Catholic High School, we had a “morality” pledge as well. even though not all of the teachers were Catholics, we all had to attend the monthly school wide mass (even the students that were not Catholic attended) and there was a code of conduct, dress, and lifestyle you had to affirm you would not violate. we had a few of the younger women teachers that were reprimanded for their behavior and dress around school (dressing and acting more like the 15-18 yr old students than 22-24 yr young women professionals).

      and this was in Southern California…near the People’s Republic of Santa Monica and Manhattan Beach….
      and you know what.. NOBODY questioned it…it was part of the job, you knew it going in since you CHOOSE to work at a Christian school

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:54pm

      @JHRUSKY

      Just as there a felonies and misdemeanors in the real world, there are serious and less serious sins.

      There is not a list given us, however if there were, sexual sins rank among the top.

      I think it acceptable to have a few basic rules that need to be adhered to and going to church and being sexually pure is the very least we should ask of our religious leaders.

      As far as alcohol, you might be surprised to know that several denominations forbid the use of alcohol, not just the abuse of it.

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    • RBaerwalde
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:01pm

      @ the rusky
      It is the abuse of an item (gluttony) which is forbidden in the bible. A glass of wine with dinner is fine with may denominations.

      Also, if you are going to create a strawman, pick the right one. The idea of the Church digging into our personal lives would be akin to the Inquisition, not the Crusades.

      Other than that, nice, if uninformed, try.

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    • LogCabinRepublican
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:06pm

      It sure IS SHOCKING that they allowed so many gays in the school, can you imagine? Maybe we should round up all the “GAYS” and tattoo a “Pink Triangle” on their necks so we know who is gay or not.

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    • jzs
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:06pm

      The pledge also says you can be immediatly terminated for drinking a beer at a baseball game (or anywhere in public) or a glass of wine with dinner at a restaurant.

      No wonder people quit.

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    • gperky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:08pm

      @jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:42pm
      Let’s see … alcohol use is bad and forbidden, too. How many of you who clap your hands for this university partake of the fruit of the vine? I guess your bibles prove beyond doubt that a glass of wine during dinner is sinful as well? Where does this end? The crusades again, perhaps?

      Well another that can’t read or knows the Bible. What most Christians believe is that drinking is not the sin but what drinking causes is! Before you condem, you need to know what you are talking about. You are the typical Christian hater that continues to look for anything you can “sling” !

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    • ScreaminEagle
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:10pm

      60 job openings should cancel out, the 60 on unemployment. No problem here.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:17pm

      @brother_ed

      No, not surprised about some religions teaching all alcohol touching ones lips is ‘evil’. I was raised in one of those “religions”. And, while there are more serious and less serious sins in man’s eyes, I believe to God sin is sin, period. I don’t think He specific which ones may or may not be “more sinful” … man has added that as man so typically likes to take control of everything.
      I do agree with you that I find it acceptable for a private entity to have specific rules, but stating “I am not a ______ (FITB)” is ridiculous as those ______’s can go on and on and on forever.

      @raerbwalde
      You are correct … I should have used the term ‘inquisition’. It’s not a strawman, however, no matter how superior you seem to believe your thought process is.

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:21pm

      Nothing like attempting to dictate morality of your employees leading to the best and brightest leaving. This “pledge” or purity test is nothing more than Christian Facsim.

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    • Steel
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:24pm

      How can you tell who is gay and who is not? I’ve heard there is such a thing as “gaydar”, but I’ve never met anyone who possesses such technology. I guess you’re the first. Wow!

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:29pm

      @gperky

      Your judgement of me is quite wrong. Perhaps that’s why judgement should be reserved for God?

      I was raised Christian, and I know all too well what Baptists were taught … I do NOT know if they are still taught the things I was as I quit attending church becauase every single church that I have attended seem to be more about money and power than anything else. That does not make me less a Christian as I still read the Bible (the King James version, in fact). However, I also try to research what I am reading in look up anything questionable — trying to find the earliest known Greek or Hebrew manuscripts and then as perfect as possible a translation of them — to understand as much as humanly possible what God is telling us.

      Drinking most definitely was taught as the sin. What excess drinking could cause was also sinful, but any alcohol was taught as the sin. It was taught that then “wine” was consumed in the Bible passages, it was actually grape juice and the interpretation was wrong (funny how they had wrong interpretations to fit their power agendas whenever needed). Grape juice was also used for communion.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:31pm

      @JHRUSKY

      I find it interesting that some folks have a hard time with the concepts of ‘continuing revelation’.

      Moses wrote the first five books. It was added on to by successive prophets who continually revealed additional things that were needed to be known by the people of the time in which they lived.

      Moses did not tell the people to build an ark, that was for Noah. John the Baptist made the way for Jesus.

      That is how God operates, he calls prophets to lead His people through the perils of a particular time.

      As a Latter Day Saint, I am grateful to have a prophet at this time to lead us through these perilous times. The Latter Day prophets have spoken out about the evils of pornography, the break up of the family and counselled us to avoid drugs and alcohol. Not to mention food storage and staying out of debt.

      You don’t have to believe, that’s fine. But I did notice that you used the phrase “I believe…”in your response. Is that the doctrine of men you warn me against?

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    • Locked
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:35pm

      @Gperky

      “Well another that can’t read or knows the Bible. What most Christians believe is that drinking is not the sin but what drinking causes is!”

      I believe he was referring to the pledge, which says:

      “I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will
      abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic
      beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general
      public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues,
      stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are
      present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University
      sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six
      hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol. ”

      If the school had issues with drunkenness they would have banned that, not drinking alcohol itself.

      Seems like a good principle taken much too far. But they’re a private university, so it’s their choice.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:36pm

      Hey Uncle JZS,

      I have a question.

      Why do you seem to have such an issue with rules, regulations, and authority?

      Another question: Does my first question seem a bit ironic, when directed at you?

      It kinda does to me, because generally you are in favor of all sorts of rules, regulations, dictates, mandates, and all kinds of other mean, nasty, ugly types of things.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:40pm

      @Encinomunist,

      Somehow, I doubt that they were the best and brightest.

      Easily replaced.

      Very easily replaced.

      I’ll bet there are even illegal immigrants that would do those jobs that those Americans are unwilling to do. And they would probably do a better job, for a lot less wampum.

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    • maccow
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:42pm

      @JHRUSKY
      You wrote “I guess YOUR bibles prove beyond doubt…(emphasis added)“ Its not ”My Bible” it is the word of God. I suggest you pick one up and make God’s word your own so then you can speak intelligently about what it has to say about alcohol use.
      Some other principles you might find that are relevant to this discussion would include but are not limited to;
      Be a light in the world but don’t become like the world; Romans 12:2 “And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what [is] that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”
      John 17:14 “I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.” This is Jesus speaking about you personally RUSKY as being the world.
      Your simplistic response demonstrates a mind that has not studied the bible that you are railing against. Since the bible is God’s revelation to us, to rant against Him makes you a fool.
      1 Corinthians 3:19 “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their [own] craftiness”
      I applaud any institution that strives to maintain Christian principles in the midst of this ever darkening world. Sanctified (saints) means to be set apart for God’s purposes, and Christians are called to contend for the gospel in the world while not becoming of the world.

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    • 123456beatriz
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:43pm

      Cleaning SEWER!

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    • starchaser75
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:44pm

      I agree with you.

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    • hard.right
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:48pm

      jhrusky, you need to READ my friend. take those sunglasses off and cut your hair and maybe you could see what you are reading. it said, alcohol consumption is ill-advised. how is that not true. basically, if you can hold your alcohol and have a glass of wine, ok, but in general, people do not do that. go to any restaurant or bar late at night and tell me how many people in the crowd are having a glass of wine, couple of beers … vs how many are stupid drunk or just enough to not be able to drive. idiot!

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    • memyselfandi
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:54pm

      Romans 12:2; “do not conform to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”

      Why is it so shocking that a Christian institution requires its teachers to actually adhere to the religion they represent.

      Anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ is required to turn away from sin and embrace the righteousness of God which comes through the power of the Spirit.

      Any person who claims to be a Christian and desires to continue living in sin and disregard the commandments of God is not a Christian at all.

      Romans 6:1-2; “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?…GOD FORBID!!!”

      Romans 6:11-14; “Likewise recon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ… Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body that you should obey it in the LUSTS thereof… Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves unto God… For sin shall not have dominion over you.”

      I for one applaud the University for this action!!!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:55pm

      gperky

      So the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in 1009 by the Fatimid Caliph & attacks on pilgrims to Jerusalem had nothing to do with the Crusades? Nor did the attacks on Christians in Northern Syria & Anatolia have anything to do with the crusades?

      You truly are a moron, gperky.

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    • maccow
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:06pm

      ENCINOM Translated from B.S. to English.
      Encinom wrote;
      “Nothing like attempting to dictate morality of your employees leading to the best and brightest leaving. This “pledge” or purity test is nothing more than Christian Facsim.”
      English translation;
      Look at what happens when you hold up the light of truth to your employees, the Godless and depraved scurry for the shadows. This “pledge” or purity test is nothing more than Christian Facsim (sic) and we all know that only humanist fascism is tolerated in this day and age.

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:08pm

      That’s great. My Jesuit university (I went to 4 colleges – 2 Liberal, 1 Christian, and 1 other that actually put student learning ahead of ideology), I don’t know how, but the Christian college seemed to have screened out all the Liberals. There wasn’t one teacher that pushed a Liberal agenda. I’m an atheist and some of the students were obviously Liberals, but the Jesuit school allows anyone to enroll.
      Colorado State and Front Range had the worst and most Liberal teachers – I quit those colleges quickly and chose to go to 2 better schools. The Jesuit college is WOW EXPENSIVE!!!!, but I could never begin to explain how much better it is than Colorado State in a short post like this.
      LOL I remember my economics teacher was Greek and she thought Marxism was an horrible idea. Her accent was so heavy that she was very difficult to understand, so I suppose she may have left for America because she saw her country failing before they started rioting.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:16pm

      @maccow

      Thank you for judging me. I guess you missed a few things God stated in His Book.

      Actually, I have 4 of them in my home and one on each computer, as well as 3 different ones on my iPhone. I guess your statement of “I suggest you pick one up…” was in error? Bad judgement?

      The fact of the matter is, @maccow, there is different ideas on what the Bible has stated about the use of alcohol. You may have missed that lesson.

      I have no objection to the verses you quoted, but I will read them in context and then try to ensure the proper translation of them … simply quoting a verse here and there can be similar to the news media using soundbites. I prefer the knowledge of the whole as opposed to a point that may be misinterpreted.

      Now this comment that you wrote: “John 17:14 “I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.” This is Jesus speaking about you personally RUSKY as being the world.“ Are you pointing fingers at me stating how I am ”as being the world”? You seem to see inside my heart and purport to know how I believe? Perhaps God will hire you to be his judge since you are all-knowing?

      And, “Your simplistic response demonstrates a mind that has not studied the bible that you are railing against. Since the bible is God’s revelation to us, to rant against Him makes you a fool.” Again, WOW! You truly know not what you speak.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:18pm

      @hard.right

      LOL! My hair is an issue? You wouldn’t be from that Baptist church I attended throughout my youth that taught us how a man having hair over his ears, or a woman wearing pants was also sinful, and even proved this via the King James Version of the Bible, would you?

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    • Wolf
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:24pm

      @ JHRusky… you’re talking about something you know absolutely nothing about, JR. Better to shut up and not prove your ignorance.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:27pm

      @brother_ed

      I used the term “I believe” when I stated I believe that to God, sin is sin and no one sin is worse than another sin. That is not a doctrine of anything … that is merely my belief as so stated.

      What I find interesting is in these forums, as soon as someone like myself disagrees with the majority, most seem to label them evil, anti-Christian, etc.

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    • Cavallo
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:29pm

      Looks like some good job openings. Any recent college grads looking to get some experience under their belt? I have a feeling the positions will fill up quick, and those that left will be wandering the wasteland for awhile.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:31pm

      Holy Crap! Did anyone else notice that legendary TV Host Dick Clark died?

      No mention in the lame stream media either!

      TEA – It’s the least taxing thing you can do!

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    • LibertarianForLife
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:33pm

      How about a pledge saying you can’t get divorced? Hypocritical fools.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:34pm

      @ BrotherEd… “…There is not a list given us, however if there were, sexual sins rank among the top…”
      Better delve deeper into your Bible, Ed. There’s a list in Exodus, a list in Romans, a list in Ephesians, a list in Timothy… and elsewhere. Of course, they aren‘t asterisked as a ’list’.
      And as far as siin is concerned, God says ‘aything that does not glorify God is sin,‘ and it doesn’t matter what the catholic church claims about venial and mortal sins: sin is sin and there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven: blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
      Insofar as this school, or any other school that teaches about Christianity, if one has no experience or education in the area, how can they be qualified to teach it? The schools are right in demanding their instructors set good examples for their students- at least they’re doing something positive rather than deceptive. There are enough hypocritical Christians in the world, we don’t need hypocrites instructing our children.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:38pm

      @hard.right

      Thank you for calling me an idiot. Of course, I don‘t go to bars late at night thus I don’t see all these drunk people. I have a glass of red wine nearly every evening with dinner (I have a small vineyard, thus I drink what I make). It does not intoxicate me, nor does it make me antiChristian. And, I do read … I read a lot. I am 53 years young and continue to learn every day. I truly believe it’s you and so many others here who do not seem to understand there is more than 1 interpretation of what the Bible says about alcohol and even varying thoughts within the same religions.

      I am a Christian, saved by the blood of Christ, but I choose to not be a mere sheep following blindly along. While I accept what I can understand of what God has stated, I was given a brain & a thought process not to follow, but to learn and understand as much as man can understand. And, from what I can understand, most here do not have open minds — they judge and condemn & even ridicule anything they do not personally believe in.

      That, my friend, is what is so sad and what turns people away from religion that are curious about it. I wonder how many attitudes of “Christians” have caused people to not turn to Christianity that were looking into it?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:39pm

      @JHRUSKY

      Firstly, let me say – I love the hair and wouldn’t cut it either.

      Secondly, believe what you want to, I have no problem with that. You are right, there is a lot of hatred contained in some of the comment here. Many folks here feel the need to tell someone they are going to “burn in hell” unless they believe a certain way or act a certain way. Every religion has its zealots.

      I prefer to say, give it a try – it might bring peace and comfort to your life., it did for me. If not, fine. We can still get along. I am not the judge, nor do I care to be.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:39pm

      @ wolf

      “you’re talking about something you know absolutely nothing about, JR. Better to shut up and not prove your ignorance.”

      What is it that I know nothing about, wolf? Please enlighten me with your superior intellect.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:47pm

      @ wolf

      “…There is not a list given us, however if there were, sexual sins rank among the top…”
      Just what are these sexual sins? If you look at your wife lustfully, not just to procreate, is that a sin? If you use any sexual position other than the “missionary position”, is that a sin? Is foreplay a sin? Should we empower the church to be the sexual sin police?

      Please point out specific areas where these sexual sins are listed so that I may study them and gain a better understanding.

      “sin is sin and there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven: blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.”

      I’ve heard that stated before, but have not been able to find where that specific, explicit sin is listed. If you know where, please let me know. I find it hard to believe that if one blasphemes the Holy Spirit, even as a teenager, they are doomed to Hell for all eternity.

      I have also heard the only unforgiveable sin is not accepting Christ as ones Savior.

      I have an enquiring mind that would like to know … please help educate me.

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    • proliance
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:01pm

      I’m going to stand up for JRHUSKY because the Baptist Church does in fact teach that drinking alcohol is a sin. (I know the above post says “ill-advised.”) They do not believe that Jesus drank wine, but that he drank unfermented grape juice. And anybody who says that Jesus drank wine is telling a great lie. I have seen many posts at Christian web sites that go through explanations describing why the wine is actually grape juice. (Never mind that grape juice wasn‘t invented until the 1800’s by a man named Welch. Fermenting grape juice and turning it into alcohol is what preserves it. Drinking grape juice was a good way to get stomach poisoning.)

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:10pm

      We are now two separate people and ought to be two separate nations. We will no longer live as one nation with Liberals and Democrat-Commies. They are our enemy and represent everything we hate and consider repugnant. Let the word go out. Its time for a Second Continental Congress only of TEA. If Democrat-Commies try to stop us, we will do to them what we did to the British.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:21pm

      truthbeliever, there’s no reason to hurl insults and slurs. The fact is these people din’t represent the teaching of Christ that is at the core of any Christian school. No need to wish bad will on these people fact is hopefully they’ll see the light someday. They made their choice and it sounds like the best choice for both them and the school. Now the school can get teachers in that will better represent what being Christian and being educated is all about.
      Keep your hate at home we don’t need it.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:25pm

      Hey encinut,
      How is trying to force acceptance of homosexual lifestyle NOT DICTATING MORALITY. You’re the most intolerent person I ever saw post about tolerence. HYPOCRIT MUCH….LOL

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:27pm

      JHRUSKY… There are many here who are myopic in their understanding of what the Bible says. Most will take a pericope out of context as proof of point, and most misunderstand the difference between judgement and Judgement to be (one relates to judgement of thought and actions, which we are allowed to discern betwixt right and wrong, and the other relates to final disposition of the soul, which is wholly Jesus Christ’s realm of authority.). Drunkenness is a sin, imbibing in moderation where rational thought of right and wrong is not impaired is not. As far as a sin is sin to God, St. Augustine perfectly describes gradation of absolute perfection (“the Good”) to complete lack of perfection (in physics it would be equated to heat/energy and absolute lack of heat/energy) in his writings. If one considers a perfect being (absolute Good), anything that is not perfectly aligned with it’s perfection is imperfect. Applied to an individual’s will and intent, that which is done without the “good”/perfect to be achieved, then it is a sin. In other words, a sin is a sin. Severity of the sin comes in how lacking of the “good” the intent is.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:28pm

      when I retire from the Army, I may apply for a job at this place

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    • Patrick Henry II
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:30pm

      Finally a school setting standards. Pretty good strategy too. Get them to resign voluntarily. These statements used to be SOP even at Harvard back when Harvard was good.

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    • antiprogressive
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:51pm

      no premarital sex or alcohol???

      They have the right to hire anyone they want but who would pass the interview?

      This isn’t just about homosexuals…

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    • Max jones
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:01pm

      @horsehockey…Good luck with that.
      @jhrusk…..Alcohol use is ill advised…..worded that way to allow discretion between the wine at dinner or the bottle of beer at the picnic and chronic use and/ or public drunkenness.

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:17pm

      Religious institutions are part of the “world” system so it is not unusual and not a shock that it is filled with workers of iniquity. The religious system was created by Satan. He could not destroy the church through persecution, it only made it stronger, so he organized it and made a hierarchy with man’s doctrine and that nullifed and made the word of God of non effect. It is powerless because Jesus is not part of it.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:21pm

      JHRUSKY said……..”No, not surprised about some religions teaching all alcohol touching ones lips is ‘evil’. I was raised in one of those “religions”. And, while there are more serious and less serious sins in man’s eyes, I believe to God sin is sin, period. I don’t think He specific which ones may or may not be “more sinful” … man has added that as man so typically likes to take control of everything.
      I do agree with you that I find it acceptable for a private entity to have specific rules, but stating “I am not a ______ (FITB)” is ridiculous as those ______’s can go on and on and on forever
      ………..The divine scripture makes distinctions, not, in the degree of the evilness of sin, but in the degree of danger of such actions. It is a guide, a set of instructions on how to get right with the will of God. Special condemnation is afforded sexual deviance as it is hard to get away from, once a person is involved in its particular practice. It is flattering to have attracted attention, especially if you are young and shy or lonely, as youngsters are wont to be. It is easy for predatory deviants to damage these innocents and cause them to not consider their fate. That is why it is called abomination.
      As far as alcohol is concerned….one out of ten humans get addicted to alcohol the first time they get a buzz. But most don’t. so the admonition “ill advised.”

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:24pm

      “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way.” ~ JESUS

      The school has every right to set guidlines and moral standards for its employees – especially since it is a religious school.

      The policy does NOT “ban alcohol” – it restricts its use to private settings among the staff & faculty, to negate the possibility of students seeing their teachers drinking in social settings, or from hearing them approve of drinking. Whether you agree or disagree with that, the school still has a right to set the standards. What some fail to grasp, is that this rule is also protecting the reputation of the teachers & staff.

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    • BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:27pm

      Christianity is not just a name assigned to someone who wants it. It is a name that designates you as a follower of Christ and his teachings. If His teachings say that homosexuality is a sin. It doesn’t matter what your personal belief is….. a Christian’s belief is based on Christ and His stance on the issue. Same goes for drunkeness. In this case you have 50 professors who are stating that they will not submit to Christ’s teaching on the issue. It’s o.k. folks. They have made their choice as all of us have done. Choices are good. I don’t hate them by any means, but the truth hurts sometimes and most people do not want to put their beliefs in submission to Christ.

      There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. – Proverbs 16:25

      These 50 professors seem to have chosen the “way that seems right to a man.”

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    • inblack
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:27pm

      @LIBERTARIANFORLIFE

      I’m amazed at your comment.

      The proper response is: “It is their school and they can hire anyone they want”.

      The beer and wine thing would blow it for me, and I don’t believe gay people are the devil, but a free individual should be able to hire all atheists, all eunuchs or all legal aliens if they want to.

      BTW, I applaud the people who quit for standing up for what they believed in as well. The scurrying rats as some would like to label them probably contain many who were standing up for what they believed in. “If you don’t like it leave” and they did.

      If i have one complaint against blaze Christians, it is the lack of love and forgiveness that they show to people who don’t agree with them – you aren’t being Christian.

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    • mlite9
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Just as this school has taken a not-so-extraordinary step to hold the line of their beliefs, perhaps one day the mockers and unbelievers will take the extraordinary step of addressing the issue in the article being commented upon, rather than changing the subject, and attacking the beliefs, instead of the actions taken about which the article was written.

      There is absolutely no merit in arguing faith and scripture with these ones; they have drawn you away, just as the gay agenda has in covering their real agenda. They are trolls, and are better ignored.

      When and if they meet God at their sordid level, only then will their blindness be realized. Your words will neither hasten nor clarify. It’s a waste of time, frankly.

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    • MetalPatriot
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:35pm

      @JHRUSKY

      *You think a single glass of wine with one meal is the same as a guy pluggin’ the poop chute of another guy? That’s some strange way of seeing things. Maybe one drink = one butt pluggin’ , and lots of drinks = lots of pluggins? ( lol! sorry, gotta laugh a little).

      I’m not a heavy duty bible guy, but I think being a “drunk” is along the lines of “unnatural relations” is how it’s expressed. Again, I ain’t no scholar & don’t mind being corrected if shown wrong.

      My entire life has been based in sin…I’m one of the “few” that need forgiveness & saving.

      There’s no problem with a private entity (the school) having charters/regulations for standards of conduct. The military does, employers do, sports do, & government is SUPPOSED to.. Just part of the gig. Don’t like it, don’t sign up. Very basic, simple.

      Hope I made a point without being insulting.

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    • noncon
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:19pm

      Banish the heretics! Mount your steeds and crusade against those who don’t believe as we do. Hear not what the impure say as the devil has infected their brains. Our way is the only way. Praise the lord!

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    • teebubba
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:23pm

      You are assuming that they are all gay because they won’t sign the pledge? I think its impractical to stand on principle in today’s job market…and I don’t believe the college will have any difficulty filling the resigned positions. I think most people would sign the pledge to obtain a job at this point.
      Let the legal games begin!

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:40pm

      @ Metal Patriot

      Per what my upbringing and religion tried to force down my throat (and did while I was young),
      I don’t believe drinking in moderation is sinful. I don’t believe playing cards is sinful. I don’t believe having a Christmas tree is sinful. I don’t believe being attracted to the same sex is sinful. I don‘t believe dressing up in costume and trick’or’treating is sinful. I don’t believe a man having long hair is sinful. I don’t believe a woman wearing slacks/jeans/shorts is sinful. I don‘t believe listening to rock’n’roll is sinful. I don’t believe dancing is sinful. And, a whole lot of other alleged sinful activities are not as I was taught … they were all about control and nothing but.

      For years and years people have tried to prove that homosexuality is learned and that homosexuality can be “cured”. Poppycock! Homosexuality cannot be “cured” and changed into heterosexuality any more than heterosexuality can be changed into homosexuality. It’s amazing people even believed (and still do believe!) such ignorant nonsense. At least some, if not many, or most, homosexuals are born with that sort of ‘wiring’, so making them out to be some kind of evil, deviant human being is simply wrong. The constant yelling in here about how they are sick and they need to be cured and making fun of them is nothing short of childish.

      That said, I agree as I originally stated that a private entity has the right to make demands, no matter how s

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 5:44pm

      @ RangerP,
      I’d send my kids to take your classes! From the posts I’ve read of yours, you’ve got your head screwed on straighter than just about all my professors combined.

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    • inblack
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 6:07pm

      @JHRUSKY

      I don’t condemn the school for trying to reinforce what they think is correct. That is their right.

      We don‘t know exactly how to interpret God’s words or how to prioritize sin. People have asked for millennia for these answers and the church learned that trying to define everything became an accounting game.

      In Acts 10 when the Holy Spirit gave a vision to Peter, he said “There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.” This was to tell Peter to not use the Deuteronomy Law as a test of who was clean, which excluded Gentiles. Then God told Peter to follow Cornelius’ messengers. Peter went to Cornelius and his family and said “… God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for.”

      I’m not telling you that you are wrong or that the university is wrong, only that we need to do our best to follow Christ and we should not be too quick or too certain to condemn others.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 6:20pm

      @Happy

      I appreciate the compliment. I may actually try to teach at the college level when I retire.

      Seems funny at how many folks on the blaze are just blown away at the standards at this school. There are a number of christian schools in this nation that have as strict and stricter rules. Bob Jones, Pensacola Christain, Tenn Temple, West Coast Bible, Crown, Ambasador, Maranatha, and some others are very good schools. It is nice to know that there are schools that do not expect heathen behavior, and where you can send your sons and daughters with full confidence that the school does not promote evil

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 6:35pm

      ACTUALLY, not shocking at all. Read the first 3 Chapters of REVELATION .ROMANS Chapter 1 Verses 21 to 32 tells FULL WELL what GOD thinks about homosexuals,and lesbians. Is THEIR sin worse than OTHER sins? NO. They as ALL, who go against the ETERNAL LAW of our CREATOR, and SAVIOUR, NEED to repent,ask for forgiveness. Their PERVERSION, being promoted as ALTERNATIVE lifestyles , is from satan. I PRAY for them. I love them. I HATE satan, and will always pray for their deliverance.
      Maranatha

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    • Pappypatriot
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 6:40pm

      Bottom line is it is a private university and has every right to set standards in hiriing that conform to the standards of the church or religion the school represents. I am proud of them for standing firm on their principles. So many colleges and schools of higher learning have abandoned theirs for convenience and to “conform” with the times. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever and he clearly stated that by their fruits ye shall know them.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:02pm

      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I do not know why the resigned .it was probably mix of things but how many of us are pure? I’m not . I struggle with sin everyday. We live in a sick and perverse world . Ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus . Confess your sins . God is willing to forgive but those that are self rightous think they are perfect. I am not defending anyone that is not my job. I worked in Hospice and was at many of bedside when that last breath was taken and that person stepped into eternity of heaven or hell. They where judged by their relationship with Christ. Please read John chapter 3 this man was a leader in the church and did not have it all right. I am a right wing conservative and Jesus is my Lord and savior. Remember sin is just a thought away.

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    • noncon
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:09pm

      All that matters is what you do in your bedroom, it makes no difference how competent you are at your job nor how committed to excellence you may be.

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    • disenlightened
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:23pm

      Amazing thought of the day: This University is a private, religious school. That means they can hire whomever they want, whenever they want, using whatever standards they want. Some of you may hate/resent the fact that others have freedom, but get over it and stop expecting others to conform to your beliefs and standards. The surest sign of insecurity is intolerance of difference.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:24pm

      Yo Jhrusky:

      I agree with you on the drinking issue … but only because scripture does. No where is having a glass of wine prohibited in scripture, in fact it mentions being healthy for a person. Jesus FIRST recorded miracle was changing the water into wine. However, I disagree with you for the same reasons on you’re comment about going to church. The bible clearly states that if one is christian they SHOULD be attending a church …there are many that are NOT about money … not judging, but that sounds like an excuse. Also, please correct me if I glanced over you’re posts and mis-understood you’re position on homosexuality. There is an individual who attends our church with a ministry to men with this lifestyle. They do indeed change. God can change anybody with any sin any where and any time!

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:34pm

      Colonic Cleansings are very healthy and recomended at least once a month.

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 7:39pm

      Same holds true for Congress as well the toxins have built up and need a flushing.

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    • wdittgasn
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 8:07pm

      Encinom, JZS, ETC…… You Just need to shut up, you do not even belong here……Anyhow, UNBELIEVABLE !!…..how can a “Christian” school which should not even have ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE, sorry, F@G GeT , Quee r there, BUT 50 % of the staff are homos or **** lovers,…..UNBELIEVABLE !!

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    • Uranium Wedge
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:26pm

      The second you try to make anyone do any thing, there will be rebellion.
      Good for them.

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    • Uranium Wedge
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:33pm

      This is not about refusing homosexuality, it’s about trying to control people.
      Just like government, when religions get to big they try to over reach.

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    • Todd P
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:44pm

      @MACCOW: Thanks for translating ENCINOM’s B.S. into English. That‘s the first time I’ve understood anything he’s said! Please continue!!!

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    • jhaydeng
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 9:45pm

      In this economy I would have put away my Donna Summers CD’s just to keep working!!! Hey!!!

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    • Pelling1020
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:03pm

      Probably Notre Dame also.

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    • Pelling1020
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:30pm

      They can probably get a job at “Georgetown Univ.”

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    • OklahomaBound
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:56pm

      So that’s how you get rid of leftist, we need to make this pledge mandatory for all schools, churches and government jobs.

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    • Miami
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:11pm

      jhrusky

      Crusades…?

      Yes that fits, beating back invaders is about the size of it. You do know the Crusades did not happen in a vacuum? But in answer to the invasion of Muslims through Europe, when has England, France, Germany, Spain and Italy ever united…? One time, too fight back the Islamic invasion of the Dark ages.

      History, learn it!

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:33pm

      You have to admire the honesty of these people in leaving their jobs instead of signing a pledge they know they have no intention of keeping.

      Yet somehow their honesty is admonished here? Give me a break.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:06am

      Hey MOD,

      You want to give them credit for that, fine.

      But watch, this will prove out to have been an orchestrated show of “solidarity”.

      And I’ll make you an imaginary wager here, that most, if not all of them, will magically find themselves sitting in a cushy, overpaid, stimulus funded government or union job in the very future.

      “Believe” me.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:29am

      @THERIGHTSOFBILLY

      Would you being saying this and making that speculation if it were a group of devout Christians who were leaving a well known liberal school in defiance of their new policies? Would you look at their actions with such cynicism or would you praise them for maintaining their values and morals?

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    • NOT A CRAZY
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 1:22am

      Good riddance. This policy should have been in place from day one.

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    • Miami
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 1:37am

      ModerationIsBest

      Honesty…?

      When they’ve been lying their whole time at the University. They just got called on their lie and forced to make a choice.

      They took jobs at a Christian University knowing they would not follow their moral edicts and you call them honest?

      Do you know the meaning of honesty…?

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    • Miami
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 1:40am

      PS

      They took the jobs with the intent to subvert the Christian intent of the University

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:04am

      @MOD,

      Let me get this straight now.

      You are asking me to assume that devout Christians are working at a well know liberal school.

      Check.

      Then you are asking me to assume that this well know liberal university implements some new policies and asks the Christians to sign a pledge agreeing to live by those policies.

      Check.

      What policies might this liberal university want to adopt that devout Christians might object to?

      1. You must at once a week get drunk and have unprotected sex with a stranger you just hooked up with, either of the same, or opposite sex?

      2. If you become pregnant from rule #1, you must abort?

      3. You must refuse to follow any of the Ten Commandments at all times?

      4. You must pledge to never be a moral or decent person?

      Got any other suggestions MOD?

      Do you see how absurd your scenario is?

      Do you see why I continually ask you that you that one same question all the time?

      There is a difference between asking someone to be good and decent, as opposed to asking them to be bad and immoral.

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    • dirty_commie
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:08am

      I guess I wasn’t surprised when the first post, and all the posts of everyone else involved “good riddance.” Just in case you all really are that stupid, my guess is that only one or two employees were actually gay (that’s the genetic probability), and the other staff members quit in solidarity with them, as any decent human being should.
      My ex-girlfriend worked at a church-ran day care center, and her boss (who had apparently rubbed the directors the wrong way) was fired for allegedly having a man over late at her house, despite having signed an agreement not to have extra-marital sex. That’s not just discrimination, that’s harassment. The local paper denounced the church and a large portion of the congregation left, as they should have.
      Also, it’s interesting how a sexual act, which has no harmful effect to anyone except potentially those engaging in it, is listed by some as a “top sin” whereas other acts are of little concern to the bible…it’s almost as though it was written by a group of ignorant, racist, homophobic tribal priests over 2000 years ago, rather than an all-knowing God.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:11am

      And MOD,

      Even if your scenario were to happen as you described, the answer is no, I would not praise them.

      Why should they be praised just for doing the right thing.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:18am

      Dirty_Commie,

      If the local paper denounced the Church, it obviously made the news.

      I would like to read that story, and other stories related to the incident.

      Got any links?

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    • dirty_commie
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:34am

      @Therightsofbilly,
      I don’t remember the name of the daycare or the person who was fired. This happened a few years before I even met her. I remember her telling me that her parents stopped getting the paper after that (they were fundamentalists and disowned her when she started dating me). A google search didn’t turn anything up on the story.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:46am

      @DIRTY_COMMIE

      Yea Bud, I kind of figured that would be your answer.

      You are, after all, a dirty commie.

      Surely you can at least remember the name of the city or township so that we here can do our own search. Many of us are rather proficient at navigating the webernets.

      Maybe just the name of paper?

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    • bikerr
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 2:53am

      @jhrusky—The Bible says far as communion “Do this as often as you like In remembrance of me”

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 4:35am

      How do you know the people who left are gay?

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    • dublinthewagons
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 4:46am

      Who writes the checks. The university has a right do have their rules the employee has a right to leave. Smoking is banned in banned in a lot of places, and it is legal. Would the gay ptogessors ban smoking?
      Everyone needs to accept rules on both sides of the isle and move on to more important issues in life.

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    • Salamander
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 6:20am

      All those that quit simply need to establish a new university and hang out their ‘Rainbow’ flag! Then, they will be able to compete in the marketplace of ideas and EVERYONE will be happy! Uh, I don‘t think I’ll be going there! I tend to avoid those places with the rainbow flags, as I get really tired of being ‘hit on’! We need a ‘hetero’ symbol, maybe the classic circles, one with an arrow and the other with a plus, to signify our sexuality. If anyone asks, it is not to signify ‘homophobic’, but rather ‘heteropreference’–you do it your way and I’ll do it mine!

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    • myway
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 6:37am

      It shocks me to say that these churches bread pedophiles. Some may leave on the none of your bees wax rule, but others don’t want to be sued.

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    • UrsaMajor
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 7:23am

      Brother-Ed… since when are there degrees of sin? According to the the version of the Holy Bible I have, bearing false witness and dishonoring your parents is part of the same ten COMMANDments as killing ad stealing and will condem one just as quick. Yet, there is nothing in those COMMANDments about premarital sex or alchohol comsumption (adultry, yes… premarital sex, no…).

      Then again, my version could be a misprint.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:34am

      Yo Mod:

      If I tell you that I’m going to shot you tomorrow at 5pm and do as I say ( just keeping my word, and being an honest guy). Some how I don’t think I get cerdit points in heaven for my honesty.

      Being honest does not automaticly equate to good.

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    • NC1
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:38am

      What’s the difference in this and, say, being a guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? Those guys can’t ever drink or swear for the rest of their lives. So they want people of character with principles and values in align with theirs, what’s wrong with that? Sounds like the college has standards not to let any of these other crack-pot liberals in to spout their lies and spread the communism and marxism that most other places of higher learning are allowing to happen now days. More power to them.

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    • Miami
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:49am

      Therightsofbilly
      You’ve got to remember, Liberal fact are everyone else‘s opinion’s. As tool to me by a Liberal blogger, on my quoting a historical fact,”that’s your opinion”

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    • Zod Cranards
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 9:13am

      Good riddance

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    • Arfmoogle
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 9:38am

      We have a God-given right: The freedom of association (Freedom of association is the individual right to come together with other individuals and collectively express, promote, pursue and defend common interests). This right does not only apply to certain politically favored groups, but all of us. So, if I don’t want to associate with someone whose lifestyle offends my conscience, so be it. And if this college wants to stipulate this as a requirement, so be it. If I don’t like it, I don’t have to work there.

      Maybe I didn’t read correctly, but I didn’t read they forbid the use of alcohol. However, if they do forbid it, and someone wants to be employed there, that is a condition of employment.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 10:08am

      @ 4Truth2All

      “However, I disagree with you for the same reasons on you’re comment about going to church.
      The bible clearly states that if one is christian they SHOULD be attending a church …”

      Please define “church”. Is a church a building made of brick and mortar, or wood, or some other material, or is a church simply a body of believing people whom you associate with?

      “there are many that are NOT about money … not judging, but that sounds like an excuse.”

      Everyone I have attended thus are about money or power. One constantly tells you to be sure to give your 10% or more over and over and over again. One wants to actually see your finances to see if you are giving enough! One yammers on and on nearly every sermon about how woman should be submissive and obey their husbands and how man is the head of the household and on and on and on — again, nearly every sermon. Yes, every one I have attended (some 20+ or so around the country) seem to be about money or power.

      “Also, please correct me if I glanced over you’re posts and mis-understood you’re position
      on homosexuality. There is an individual who attends our church with a ministry to men
      with this lifestyle. They do indeed change. God can change anybody with any sin any where
      and any time!”

      I do not deny some homosexuals have changed. I do deny that every one can, or that they are made that way instead of being born that way.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 10:19am

      @Billy

      You missed the other part of the question.

      Would you be cynical and question their motives as you did here with these individuals and essentially guarantee that it’s all a ploy?

      I also asked you a question about what you deem as good, evil, moral, immoral and I never saw you answer it.

      Instead of your general question about moderation and allowing evil( how do I answer that? “a little moderation?”, I gave you specific moral and ethical questions for you to answer and how you viewed them and I never saw an answer. You may have eventually answered them, but after Day 4, I gave up waiting for an answer.

      So, how about you ask me a question I can actually answer and not a general, fundamentally flawed question?

      As I did with my questions to you, give me specific scenarios where you want to ask how much moderation I would practice. I will do my best to answer your questions honestly, instead of taking issue with one question, and then IGNORING the rest of the questions.

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    • TenguScriptures
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 11:48am

      Better send in my resume while the jobs are open.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 1:11pm

      MOD says:
      “You missed the other part of the question.”

      No, I didn’t miss it, you just don’t like the way I answered it. I made you think a little, but it still went over your head.

      But OK, here ya go…..No, I would not be cynical, because if they left your hypothetical university, it would have been because they were being asked to do something wrong, or evil. Not the other way around. So there would be nothing to be cynical of….right?

      See, it does’t work both ways like YOU think it should. There is no opposite of the Ten Commandments. Nothing official anyway.

      Now, the question I always ask you, if you have not realized yet, has always been rhetorical MOD.
      It was to illustrate that there is no compromising with evil….period. You seem to think that we, in the name of compromise, or moderation, should tolerate a certain amount of things we abhor, in order to appease you. Sorry. You know what’s been said about “moderation”.

      MOD, we all know where you stand, and what your motives are. We also see exactly how you go about trying to manipulate and deceive. Even your name implies it, at least the way you use it, it does.

      If talking about how much wine one should drink with dinner, then yes, moderation would be prudent. But when dealing with morals vs.immorality, or good vs.evil, there is no amount of “Moderation that is best”
      As for your other questions, you know where I stand.

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    • piper22
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 3:32pm

      The sheer idiocy some people have regarding their place of employment is staggering. I mean, you work at a BAPTIST university; what did you think would happen if you deviate from Baptist doctrine? If you don’t like their rules, DON’T WORK THERE.

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    • Jim in Houston
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 5:17pm

      There goes almost all college staffs everywhere.

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    • freedoc
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 5:39pm

      And yet, its a PRIVATE organization, who should have the right to do anything within the boundaries of the constitution and applicable laws.

      Surely, you are not REQUIRED to participate either as a student(do not enroll) or as a faculty member(quit, or do not apply).

      That is FREEDOM. You on the other hand, have the right to start a school, and insist that all your members are Atheists( or do you? In my world, certainly).

      I certainly don’t agree with their mandates/rules, but I will fight for their right to run their organization as they see fit…….assuming it doesnt violate the LAW. Our law is based on our constitution, and Bill or Rights.

      Does this violate the Constituion? If not, shaddup.

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    • piper60
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:24pm

      This is how the university of Des Moibes was destroyed- also by a southern baptist board of trustees

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:37pm

      Yo Jhrusky:

      ANY person who is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can change . Being born that way has no basis in fact, and if you listen to some “sceince” they’ll give you an excuse for everything.

      Based on scripture the man is to be the leader of the household and the woman is a helper to him. Again, this is all found in scripture. (Ephesians 5:22-33), also is mentioned in Genesis when they are created by God.

      Have you ever heard of the statement that , if you find the perfect church don‘t go to it cause it won’t be anymore apon you’re arrival?

      Define “church” are you serious? Do you call yourself a “christian”?
      A church is a place where believers go to worship God, and scripture discribes what that is to look like. I thought you said that you read you’re bible, or do you only accept what you agree with and like. I am not judging you’re heart, but you sound like someone with their foot halfway in the door, or halfway out.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 8:57pm

      No, you didn’t answer the question so nothing went over my head. You finally answered the question, nice try though.

      I’m glad you admitted your question was rhetorical, thus irrelevant and only meant to score what you think are positive points for your argument. Also, it goes back to my original question(which was never answered).

      I have asked you numerous times, flat out specific things about how you view morality and you have refused to answer them. It shows a lot that you seem afraid to have this discussion. You also never answered my questions about what types of books you read. Do you try to read things from different groups of people? Do you listen to debates between two sides or do you like having what you believe told to you? Are you afraid to have the way you view the world challenged or debated? Are you that insecure?

      Who decides what is right or wrong, good or bad, moral or immoral?

      Your God?
      You?
      Your interpretation of what you think your God thinks?
      Society as a majority?

      You are so partisan it is hilarious. Everything you disagree with evil and immoral and everything you agree with is good and moral. You AUTOMATICALLY assume that the reason why a Christian might leave is a liberal school is because it’s for GOOD reasons(not that they are doing something bad necessarily) yet here you are cynical and immediately throw negative connotations at it.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 18, 2012 at 12:05am

      MOD,

      Your last paragraph makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
      The only reason a large group of Christians would walk away from their jobs en masse, in the context of this story, would be if they were being forced to sign a pledge that was forcing them to do something wrong, or against their morality. Please note that you said “a Christian”, when we are actually talking about a large group acting in unison. You don’t think all 50 or 60 of those profs acted independently, do you?

      And I did answer your question by illustrating that your premise was absurd, and that there is no answer to that question unless a ridiculous hypothetical is assumed to be true. You seem to be happy with my answer now that I did just that, but my illustration was not good enough. Hence, my comment about going right over your head.

      Mod, you are not a therapist, and I am not seeking therapy, so I am not going to sit on your couch and play your games. You ask what books I read? None of your business, but I have read quite a few of your atheist instruction manuals.

      Let’s just say that you are an “open book” MOD. All the little tricks, tactics, quotes, and arguments that you use have been clearly spelled out for you to use. And use them you do. They are easily spotted in many of your posts, and also those of the other evangelical atheists that frequent this place. I would guess that my bookshelf has many of the same titles as yours.

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    • melony
      Posted on May 18, 2012 at 7:18am

      You know what? Just because they won’t sign the pledge DOES NOT mean that they are gay.
      It means that they probably think it’s just simply stupid to sign something like.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 18, 2012 at 5:28pm

      @ 4truth2all

      “Being born that way has no basis in fact, and if you listen to some “sceince” they’ll give you an excuse for everything.”

      What is fact? Fact is merely a hypothesis that has yet to be disproven. However, facts DO change over time. Just because someone can “create” a gay person in no way means every gay person was ‘created’ instead of being born that way.

      “Based on scripture the man is to be the leader of the household and the woman is a helper to him. Again, this is all found in scripture.”

      Yes, but a preacher hammering that point home over and over and over nearly every sermon is tantamount to that preacher trying to give men control over women. There is no reason it has to be stated as such. In fact, if you read it in context, the man is supposed to love his wife as himself which would ensure he doesn’t envoke his power over her.

      “Define “church” are you serious? Do you call yourself a “christian”?”

      Yes and yes. Perhaps you should read your Bible again. A church is not a building.

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    • TheChepe
      Posted on May 20, 2012 at 6:44pm

      I’m proud these teachers resigned. To sign something that says “I am not homosexual” when you are is a lie and they chose to be true to themselves over lying to keep a job at a bigoted university. This pledge wasn’t even necessary. Who cares if they’re homosexual? If they don’t bring that into their classes, I don’t see the problem. Obviously, seeing the comments on here, you all would never respect a professor if they were a homosexual. Shows how “Christian” you are. You people aren’t even Christian. When I was a Christian, I was an actual Christian, not like you fakers who are say you’re Christian and then say “Those ******* deserved to be fired.” Or like you other ones who quote the Bible like it’s the infallible word of this god you worship. It was written by desert men over 2000 years ago, and it’s been changed, by MEN, numerous times. That‘s why it’s so full of misogyny and bigotry. You people love to use the Bible to support your own stupid views, but when someone uses the very same Bible to disprove you, you say we read it wrong or that we’re twisting the word of your god. Pathetic. I also find all of your notions about Liberals and those on the left to be hilarious. You idiots couldn’t be more wrong. You make so many false generalizations about Liberals. Comparing us to Communists. Want to see Communism? Go to China or Cuba. That’s real Communism. You idiots love to hurl insults but can’t take insults. This is why nobody with a brain takes you pe

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    • BeExcellentToEachOtherAndPartyOnDudes
      Posted on May 27, 2012 at 5:39pm

      OK… Wow. Umm, right. So, I‘m not what you’d call a “Christian”. I was dragged along to church as a kid by a set of parents who wanted to ensure that I had an understanding of religion.

      And my understanding was that Jesus pretty much said “hey, you guys! Be nice to each other!” Of course, it’s kinda hard to work out if he really said that, given that he wrote nothing down and had to rely on a handful of contradictory, unauthorised biographies by blokes in his entourage.

      But all the vitriol in this comments thread is making me sad. Where have all the nice Christians gone? Why are all you guys so mean? I mean, Homosexuality was taboo way back when for much the same reason as eating pork wasn’t such a great idea back then: neither of these things facilitated population growth – pork because they were lacking modern farming methods and therefore pork could kill you, and homosexuality because two guys don’t make a baby so well.

      But pork is safe now, do we agree?

      And with an overcrowded planet, why are we clinging to this idea that being gay is baaad, mkay? I find the idea of literally drinking Christ’s blood a bit ooky, but I’m cool with you guys doing it, and probably wouldn’t fire you because of it (so long as you were doing your job well). Just because you find homosexuality a bit ooky yourselves, why do you force your beliefs on others?

      I’ll say it again: where have all the nice Christians gone?

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    • MSrebel
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 4:49pm

      The story doesn’t suggest all that quit were gay, only that they refused to sign a lifestyle statement. They (those refusing to sign) may have taken umbrage with being asked about their sexual preference or that the question was asked at all. Many believe one’s sex-life is personal and private and should not be part of public debate. I agree the college has the right to ask and the offended have the right to leave (without legal prejudice attaching.) It is a sad statement that Christians have to deal with such perverted matters in the first place.

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  • psadie
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:14pm

    OK, time to head to Georgia for a job!

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    • SonOfThunder
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:52pm

      Sending my grand kids there!

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:06pm

      There aren’t many here, thanks to the POTUS.

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    • JL9999
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:11pm

      You don’t have to be a Southern Baptist to appreciate what the school did. Aside from Brigham Young University and this school, I wonder if there are any other religiously oriented schools that place that kind of demand on their faculty and staff? Observers will note that BYU and now Shorter University will take tons of heat from others for their principled stand.

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  • Pray for USA
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:12pm

    It’s a shame you have to ask people to not use drugs, not commit adultery, not participate in homosexual activities, and to be an active member of a church if they want to be affiliated with a church-sponsored school. That should be a given to receiving employment. Why ask for a job at a Christian school if you don’t support upholding high morals? I would think that students would expect the faculty and other employees to adhere to a strict moral code. Hopefully the replacements will revitalize the school environment. God forgives sins but you have to admit you sinned and broke His laws.

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    • Truthbeliever2
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:34pm

      @Pray for USA “Why ask for a job at a Christian school if you don’t support upholding high morals?” They do it so they can take it over and try to change what is considered morally wrong in your eyes to what is morally right in theirs.

      They would never think to create a school of there own made up of there own ideas of right and wrong. They want to destroy your moral beliefs in the process.

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    • rpp
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:44pm

      AS was just stated, they are there to infiltrate and corrupt it. They not only have no desire to uphold the school’s commitments to morality, they seek to destroy them from the inside.

      For my part I would say to those resigning, “don’t let the screen door hit you on the way out.”

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    • loriann12
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Why ask for a job in a Christian school if you are a leftie? Why, to infiltrate of course. They want there to be no difference between going to a “Christian” school and a secular one. I’m glad they weeded out the hypocrits.

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    • Sine labore nihil
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:04pm

      Now if they could get the students to sign a similar pledge.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:10pm

      What is a drug? Is it pot? Heroin? Alcohol? How about sugar? Did God forbid drugs in the Bible, and if so, did the laws of the U.S. dictate which drugs He meant?

      An active member of a church? What church? Whose belief system? Just that of the univerity‘s or any ’christian’ belief system and, if so, who decides what is and is not ‘christian’?

      High morals? Whose morals are those? Yours? Mine? Someone’s in Brazil?

      This is the problem with these things … everyone has different morals and beliefs and ideas of what is right and wrong, and most claim they can prove it with a convenient interpretation of the Scriptures. The fact of the matter is, over time, the versions of the Bible we read have not been interpreted literally … instead, they’ve been interpreted conveniently to amass power to those that ordered their interpretation.

      Case in point … I was raised a strict Baptist. I was taught it was wrong to drink ANY alcohol – that was of the devil. It was wrong to play cards as cards were invented by some sinful King sometime in history. It was wrong to dance as the mere act of touching a person of the opposite sex would create sinful urges in you. It was wrong to have a Christmas tree, as the original Christmas trees were pagan and not Christian. It was wrong for married persons to turn sexual activity into fun — sex was ONLY for procreation.

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:24pm

      Lets let Christan bigots destroy the republic and replace it with a Theocracy. Employers should never have any say in what an employee does after they punch out.

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    • maccow
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:57pm

      @ENCINOM
      You say, “Lets let Christan bigots destroy the republic and replace it with a Theocracy. Employers should never have any say in what an employee does after they punch out.”
      Which when translated means;
      Lets let Godless Atheist bigots destroy the republic and replace it with Communism. The Government should have the only say in what an employee does before and after punching out.

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    • freemama
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:24pm

      @JHRUSKY
      I find your objections to the subjectivity of this policy valid.
      Also, the things you list as forbidden by the people charged with teaching you the faith as a child are preversions of the Scriptures and focused on the law that condemns instead of the Gospel that saves.
      You just keep on reading your Bible and thinking for yourself. I think you are on the right track.

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:55pm

      @freemama

      Thank you. I am a saved Christian. I just feel sad about how so many are repeating the terrible hatred of the past … we’re not yet burning homosexuals at the stake (at least in the USA), but there is not much tolerance in people and bad things certainly could develop.

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:26am

      I, too, was raised in the baptist faith, GARBC, and if you are an educated baptist, you know what that means.
      The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 – not certain sins….any and all sin/sins. Jesus Christ didn’t suffer and die on the cross for “some sins….he died for original sin and all sins of makind, past, present and future.
      Jesus turned water into wine at the marriage at Cana.when the “wine steward” if you will ran out and was asked after some consumed this wine “why did you save the best wine for last”…..does anyone really think those boys were talking about grape juice?
      We, as Christians are not suppose to be doing anything that would cause a brother (or sister) to stumble. “It is good neither to eat flesh (in this case, meat sacrifieced to idols in the marketplace) nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth Romans 14: 21-22. Moral of this admonishment? IMHO is think about your actions and how they may affect someone else before you do most things…unselfish compassion. Enjoy them in private. That could anything from a glass of wine, a beer, or eating chocolate cake in front of a 300 lb. obese person or a diabetic child. Use your head.
      Homosexuality? Leviticus Chapters 18-20. Not only it is a sin for man to lie with man, before God it is an abomination. Romans 1:18-32, J

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    • BigPawz
      Posted on May 18, 2012 at 5:18pm

      @JRHUSKY,
      {@freemama

      Thank you. I am a saved Christian. I just feel sad about how so many are repeating the terrible hatred of the past … we’re not yet burning homosexuals at the stake (at least in the USA), but there is not much tolerance in people and bad things certainly could develop.}

      you say we’re not burning them at the stake. My answer to you is “why not?” Burning them at the stake is just a more modern method. They used to be stoned. I never heard Jesus condemn that activity.

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  • BigEddieB
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:11pm

    Good for them. its about time someone was putting their money where their mouth is and not being a hypocrite about it

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  • angelcat
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:08pm

    The people have every right to resign, just as the university has every right to expect its employees to abide by its values. I’m sure they will be able to find others more than willing to sign the pledge. I admire the university for being willing to stick to its values even when it means inconvenience for them.

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    • Ctesibius
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:31pm

      I agree with the actions of the staff as well as the school. However lets not forget the millions of people enslaved, murdered, and otherwise forced to believe something they did not choose to at the hands of religion specificly Christians. I don‘t personaly care what your belief is so long as you have one and don’t infringe on the beliefs of others. Which I must say is something across the board with religiion. Does this go to say that religion is bad or good? No! religion is amoral and it will be reflected based on the user. I am not into hypocrisy personally and I live by my own life style statement. You can sugar coat thier logic but until people realize that religion is just as responsible for sin as the next guy, things will never improve. Not even sure why these people would believe quitting the job would affect school anymore than signing a stupid paper is supposed to affect the staff. I would sign it and continue life. Then if you are dismissed you know why. People need to pull their heads out and see the big picture. So please when you say values lets be clear. Todays values? or the values of the past? The values of many? or the values of one? So again I feel both parties are in their own right. Just my cents people take it as you wish.

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    • Big Book Harry
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:26pm

      One should never introduce anything into their body with the intent to escape reality or feel different.
      As for prescribed meds. only taken as directed to restore normal mental/physical cognateness/relief for the least duration required. When it comes to life styles that violate the moral standards of God you should not be allowed to serve within that facility. If professional or in church service positions then termination/suspension with offered counseling and or rehab where feasible and appropriate.
      If we held true to the virtue of Romans 3:23 then no one would be able to serve in God’s institutions.
      Therefore we must be careful of who we allow to lead Jesus sheep. Our defects of character(sin) separate us from God. Surrender to the Fathers will that He may ever be increasingly revealed through you.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:59pm

      CTCEBIUS said…….”Not even sure why these people would believe quitting the job would affect school anymore than signing a stupid paper is supposed to affect the staff. I would sign it and continue life.” ……. then he mentions morals or some other crap, but, he admitted that he was dishonest, didn’t he? if he gets canned then, it would be for …wait for it….LYING. ha ha ha……..wake up!!!

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  • solomon
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:07pm

    Thumbs up for Shorter University.

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    • piper60
      Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:31am

      Professors have been agin such statement since the loyalty oaths of the 50′s- the University go Des Mouine died of just such controversy. A Baptist majority on the Board of Trustees demanded a religious lotalrty oath, the faculty refused, the trustees fired them and the students declared they would not come back unless the faculty was rehired. The trustees refused to budge, confident the students and faculty would give in-yjry didn’t and the school went bankrupt. The alumni association continued to meet down to the 80′s.

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  • solomon
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:06pm

    Wtg!

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  • Constructionist
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:06pm

    A spokesman for the resigning faculty has agreed to grant an interview to local news correspondents once he can comfortably sit down again.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:05pm

    Those who want to resign their schools so they can proceed into hedonism should start their own hedonist schools. Leave the good ones alone. You cannot mix oil and water.

    If this is a Christian school, it should be run by those who are Christians. Those tares should be separated from the wheat. Let the tares run their own schools their own way, but do not expect to have followers of the Christian faith to hide your sin, they will not if they are True Christians.

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    • DarthMims
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:31pm

      So, if they formed the School of Hedonism, would they be justified in banning Christians from working there? I agree with you completely, I’m just asking because I know it would come up.

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 12:36am

      I think some of the more liberal universities are already doing that….

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  • Frodo RinosBane
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:05pm

    Yeah, plenty of state schools that will take them. You shouldn‘t teach there if you don’t agree with their stance. Everybody wins.

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  • lawrench
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:03pm

    As a privately funded institution, it has the right to enforce rules on its employees. The University is only asking that people who work for the University does not partake in activities that would make the University look like hypocrits. As free people, the employees do not have to work where they do not feel the employer has the same views as they do. Likewise, the employer does not have to employ people who will not abide by the rules. Just imagine if this was a socialist/communist country, and you are forced to work someplace that you do not like.

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  • brother_ed
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:02pm

    Good for the university.

    The cleanse is going to be messy, but it is necessary.

    When God starts thinning his flock, the wolves will start to run.

    All sheep to the right – all goats to the left, please.

    The time to tighten up is fast approaching.

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    • vox_populi
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:10pm

      “All sheep to the right”

      lol.

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    • joe.r.piehole
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Spoken like a true psychopath. You realize that your belief system is rooted in folklore and mythology, right?

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:23pm

      @VOX & JOE,

      What you are witnessing is the natural backlash to your efforts, and is most likely just the beginning.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:24pm

      For a religion based on folklore and mythology, it sures seem to get corroborated by history and archaeology quite often.

      ATHIEST FAIL

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    • Obama_Sham
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:28pm

      joe.r.piehole
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:13pm

      “Spoken like a true psychopath. You realize that your belief system is rooted in folklore and mythology, right?”

      Every belief system is rooted in folklore and mythology, dope…

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    • dont_tax_me_bro
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:32pm

      Interesting. You have the same mindset as the medieval christians that burned innocent people at the stake. They also believed the world was flat at that time. Something tells me you still think the same way like a typical “christian” that still believes that the story of Adam and Eve was 100% fact without any fable…LOL!

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    • SREGN
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:46pm

      Joe & Don’t – There will come a day when all of us will find out what is truth. Are you ready?

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    • AskUncleJZS
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:48pm

      @Therightsofbilly

      Want to see a magic trick?

      2 spaces will appear in a few days.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:48pm

      @JOE.R.PIEHOLE

      I can only imagine the fun you‘ll have when I tell you that I’m a Latter Day Saint.

      That should REALLY get your folk lore and myth comments going.

      I speak what I believe to be the truth. You are allowed the same.

      You are allowed to dismiss my beliefs as nonsense. I have no quarrel with you, I invite all to repent of their sins and come unto Christ. You have every right to ignore the call, but the invitation still stands.

      I believe there is a God and that He has rules. I think it is well within a religious organizations rights to deny a person a job if that person doesn’t conform to the beliefs of that organization.

      I see no need to belittle a person based on their beliefs. We are all learning. As long as we seek the truth, we will find it. If you are right, you should understand that the truth will prevail and that I will eventually come around to your point of view. There is no need for ridicule.

      A stupid person is someone that doesn’t know what you found out 5 minutes ago.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:22pm

      VOXIE…you lefties have had free reign in the schools for decades….well..playtime’s over.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 7:41am

      DONT_TAX_ME_BRO, Granted, at that time the Catholic Church became the world’s largest organization and since it was run by humans it certainly became corrupt.
      As for the flat earth belief, that was typically held by practically every single European regardless of faith.
      Speaking of typical, I’ve noticed that just like JZS, ENCINO_NAMBLE_MAN, and so many others you are attempting to apply today’s knowledge, laws, international laws, and theories to the ancients who had no access to the proof available today. But, it was the ancient Greeks led by Aristotle who first developed theories that the earth is a sphere around 330 BC. But, we still have a Flat Earth Society based in of all places California.

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  • chips1
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:02pm

    Hiring teachers that actually practice what they preach is a concept that the government never thought of. Parents now have a choice and will give a sigh of relief. Good for them. The other side is going to start complaining. It’s what they do best.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:01pm

    They should band together now and create their own University, if they have to start from a small building. Stay with God.

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:01pm

    Well now, there are CHRISTIANS and there are “churchians”. Looks like the latter resigned.

    CHRISTIANS live by the HOLY BIBLE, not by the lies of mankind which have invaded and are destroying many denominations because of “political correctness” and ignorance. “Narrow is the way” is HIS WAY.

    Let the staff go. If we are not willing to stand in GOD’s direction and follow HIS leadership, we do not belong in HIS church, HIS schools, HIS family. We are either HIS or satan’s. Bob Dylan’s “You Got to Serve Somebody” says it loud and clear.

    I lost a teaching job because I am a CHRISTIAN. OK with me. GOD used me the short time I was there and HE taught me, too, at the same time.

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    • saranda
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:48pm

      Maybe now Shorter U can add to the pledge. You know expand it to include Leviticus 18:19

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  • Beckofile
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:00pm

    Maybe those employees need to use Obama’s thinking cap when making these decisions?

    http://thelookingspoon.com/tlsimages/blog/2012/newsweek_obama_gay_president_thinking_cap.jpg

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  • John 336
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:59am

    Pray for this institution as they will face many law suits, bad press, and challenges for their Biblical stand.

    I applaud their decision.

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    • thegreatcarnac
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:31pm

      That is correct. They are setting up a reason to try and sue this university and this suit will determing the religious rights of everyone.

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on May 17, 2012 at 1:20am

      Catholic universties are dropping health care for students due to the mandatory contraception issue in connection with Obamacare among other reasons. Be it Catholic or protestant, if religious institutions,religious hospitals, do not stand up and defend the tenants of their faith REGARDLESS if their staff or students disagree, they are going to be literally destroyed. Personally, I don’t care what anyone else believes, just don’t ask or expect me to validate it, vote for it, or make your convictions legal when they conflict with mine.

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  • NWWADD
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:59am

    Shorter University I applaud you.

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  • dont_tax_me_bro
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:59am

    Add your comments

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    • Beckofile
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:09pm

      Once you get a big puff of Hopeium then go back down in moms basement and blog away.

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    • dont_tax_me_bro
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:30pm

      Now back to reading your fantasy beck bible full of fear mongering you go little one..LOL!

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    • RBaerwalde
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:06pm

      Wow…

      …now that was a well constructed argument.

      Bravo.

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    • gperky
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:18pm

      I love the way you “Lefties” are so smart and we are so stupid. However, the more scientific facts that come out the more stupid you look. You tell us that you don’t want us trying to impose our beliefs on you all the while you are doing everything you can to impose your immoral beliefs on us! What a bunch of hypocrits you Liberals are indeed!

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  • NWWADD
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:58am

    Shorter University I applaud you!

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    • Watchingtheweasels
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 10:14pm

      Good for you Shorter University! You’ve asked your employees to sign a pledge stating the obvious for Christians, and as a result it sounds like a number of people who should not be in a position to influence Christian youth are leaving your institution. Hopefully Christian parents will see this Biblical stand and send their Christian young people to your school.

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  • Baikonur
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:57am

    Good! Out with garbage.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 4:03pm

      ummm…BAIKIE….you may want to read the article again champ. The pledge was to affirm that you’re not engaging in any homosexual activity or “other forbidden activities”.

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  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:57am

    Well….there are plenty of good people looking for work who will be more than ok with signing such a pledge.

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  • dont_tax_me_bro
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:53am

    Looks like Shorter will be a little shorter than required of staff soon….LOL!

    The real Shorter University motto: Transforming lives through indoctrination and exclusion.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:00pm

      And Obama will take credit for all the new jobs created at Shorter.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:04pm

      @DONT_TAX_ME_BRO

      How dare the university have standards.

      I feel sad thinking of the world you live in.

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    • chips1
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:05pm

      BOING! BOING! What took you so long to get here? “Twang your magic twanger, Froggy”!!!!

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    • Captain77
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:07pm

      They are within their rights, and so they have my support, just as if a private school wanted to teach pro-homosexuality. Wether I agree with them or not, I admire those who stand on principle regardless of its popularity or unpopularity. Is what they are doing indoctrination? Just about as much so should they have a pro homosexuality policy. They’re a private school. Leave them alone!

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:08pm

      They will have plenty of qualified applicants to replace them.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:08pm

      If it is so important to the hedonists to cater to the baser things in life, then let them leave. There will be an influx of decent men and women who are there to educate and train the students in the way they should go without the filth and bad examples set by people who are not True Christians.

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    • kansas hawks 3
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:25pm

      They are not indoctrinating they are following God. I think you have your colleges mixed up your are thinking about colleges that FORCE kids to sign a paper that they will go along with the qu_er lifestyle.

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    • SREGN
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 1:03pm

      Why are you so outraged that a Christian University would teach Christian values? If you enroll in Rue Paul University at the Bawney Fwank School of Economics you should expect to be taught to worship the god of Tolerance. You get to pick a college, you’re not assigned to one. You go where you think your values will be respected. It’s called choice. Why are you Libs so afraid of choice?

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    • mcsledge
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 2:18pm

      Are you suggesting that promoting natural relationships between a man and a woman is indoctrination? Who is indoctrinating whom?

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    • DiscipleMaker
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:16pm

      Indoctrination and exclusion? They are a Christian University and pull their standards from the Bible. Since they are using the Bible as a set of standards, and part of their mission statement is “The University affirms a commitment to the Christian faith and strives to integrate Christian values within a nurturing community within its whole process of education…” according to James 3:1, they have the right to hold their teachers to a higher standard. That says, by the way, “Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”

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    • KENTUCKIANAPATRIOT
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 3:56pm

      Got your college names $ affiliations mixed-up. Why not do some HOMEWORK, child? Do you have any idea how many now infamously ANTI-AMERICAN/ANTI-CHRISTIAN “schools” began AS Christian Institutions? I DOUBT that you do care to find out.

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:51am

    Well, that’s one way to cull the liberal deadwood.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:58am

      Exactly

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    • CatB
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:00pm

      I agree .. wonder why they were working there in the first place …

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:01pm

      My thought exactly. Now they can actually start all over and hire new teaching staff that really does agree with their religious beliefs.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:05pm

      Indeed.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:10pm

      It is past time to stand up. They should have done this years ago and it would not have progressed to the point it has, but now is better than not doing anything. Get all of them out. Put the Truth back in truth.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:50am

    egggggselent……………………..eggggggselent

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