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91-Year-Old Former Nazi Convicted of 28,060 Counts of Accessory to Murder

91 Year Old Former Nazi Convicted of 28,060 Counts of Accessory to Murder

91-year-old John Demjanjuk.

MUNICH (AP) — Retired U.S. autoworker John Demjanjuk was convicted of thousands of counts of acting as an accessory to murder at a Nazi death camp and sentenced on Thursday to five years in prison – closing one chapter in a decades-long legal battle.

Demjanjuk was charged with 28,060 counts of being an accessory to murder, one for each person who died during the time he was accused of being a guard at the Sobibor camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. There was no evidence he committed a specific crime. The prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp, he was a participant in the killing – the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.

Presiding Judge Ralph Alt said the 91-year-old was a piece of the Nazis’ “machinery of destruction.”

“The court is convinced that the defendant … served as a guard at Sobibor from 27 March 1943 to mid September 1943,” Alt said, closing a trial that has lasted nearly 18 months.

Demjanjuk sat in a wheelchair in front of the judges as they announced their verdict, but showed no reaction. Earlier Thursday, he had declined the opportunity to make a final statement to the court.

It was not immediately how much credit the native of Ukraine he would get for time already served.

The verdict will not entirely end more than 30 years of legal wrangling. The defense has pledged to appeal any German conviction, and legal proceedings continue in the United States.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center’s chief Nazi hunter, Efraim Zuroff, called the conviction “a very important victory for justice.”

“The verdict sends a very powerful message that, even many years after the crimes of the Holocaust the perpetrators can be brought to justice,” he said by telephone from Jerusalem. “We’re hopeful that this verdict will pave the way for additional prosecutions in Germany.”

In the 1980s, Demjanjuk stood trial in Israel after he was accused of being the notoriously brutal guard “Ivan the Terrible” at the Treblinka extermination camp. He was convicted, sentenced to death – then freed when an Israeli court overturned the ruling, saying the evidence showed he was the victim of mistaken identity.

Demjanjuk maintains he was a victim of the Nazis – first wounded as a Soviet soldier fighting German forces, then captured and held as a prisoner of war under brutal conditions before joining the Vlasov Army, a force of anti-communist Soviet POWs and others was formed to fight with the Germans against the Soviets in the final months of the war.

But prosecutors said that after his capture, the evidence shows Demjanjuk agreed to serve the German SS and was posted to Sobibor in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Demjanjuk was accused of having served as a “Wachmann,” a guard, the lowest rank of the “Hilfswillige” volunteers who were subordinate to German SS men.

Integral to the prosecution’s case was an SS identity card that allegedly shows a picture of a young Demjanjuk, and indicates he trained at the SS Trawniki camp and was posted to Sobibor.

91 Year Old Former Nazi Convicted of 28,060 Counts of Accessory to Murder

Though court experts said the card appears genuine, the defense maintains it is a fake produced by the Soviet KGB.

The U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Special Investigations also has said the card is genuine, but documents unearthed by The Associated Press indicate that the FBI at one time had doubts similar to those aired by Demjanjuk’s defense about the evidence – though the material was never turned over to them.

In a 1985 report, the FBI’s Cleveland, Ohio, field office concluded that: “Justice is ill-served in the prosecution of an American citizen on evidence which is not only normally inadmissible in a court of law, but based on evidence and allegations quite likely fabricated by the KGB.”

The revelation has led to new court action in the U.S., with a District Court judge in Cleveland on Tuesday agreeing to appoint a public defender to represent Demjanjuk there, raising the prospect of renewing the decades-old case.

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Andrea M. Jarach contributed to this report.

Comments (132)

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  • Evileye
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:58am

    The article stated that he committed no specific crime himself
    but was present when crimes were committed
    Guilt by association.
    I by no mean condone the crimes that were committed by the Nazis.
    Are all of us that served in the military ,are we guilty because we help to bomb civilians?.
    The German common plea at nuremberg was they were only following orders.
    we all followed orders (or Else).

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    • smallstuff7
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:37pm

      If my government ordered me to participate in any way whatsoever in the persecution of unarmed families who posed no threat to my safety nor desired to do harm, I would NOT do it!

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  • MaggieRose
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:56am

    Gedenken… never forget. I don‘t care if he’s 91 or 191… justice has caught up with him and he will serve his time. Scoot over hitler, saddam, and osama… another mastermind of evil will be joining you soon.

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    • attleboro
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:03am

      I agree with you. But this guy is no mastermind. Don’t give him that much credit.

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  • APatriotFirst
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:39am

    It was not immediately how much credit the native of Ukraine he would get for time already served.
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    First, has the staff of TheBlaze ever considered taking a few classes in Writing??????????

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  • azsun
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:33am

    When are we going to bring to trial all the Jews who aided the Germans in the concentration camps. The ones who were labor in the concentration camp and did not rebel against the German captors. They helped the Germans, so they are aiders and abetters as far as I am concerned. not much difference to me. You are in the middle of something and no way out. You go with the program. Period. There is no one going to be hailing you once you are shot and dead. You are a number. Just like many Nazi’s were.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:45am

      Van
      Eric Holder, at Barry’s direction is continuing possible prosecution of the Enhanced Interrogation Operatives. This is abomination as was the Holocaust. Before the establishment of the Jewish state, Jews were persecuted in dribs and drabs all around the world, depending on the current leaders whims.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:58am

      Azsun:
      “When are we going to bring to trial all the Jews who aided the Germans in the concentration camps. The ones who were labor in the concentration camp and did not rebel against the German captors. They helped the Germans, so they are aiders and abetters as far as I am concerned.”

      Odd logic!

      Why not also prosecute the hundreds of thousands of Poles, Lithuanians and Ukrainians who lived in close proximity to Nazi extermination facilities, and knew or suspected what was happening in them, yet did nothing to interfere with their operations? By doing nothing, weren’t they aiders and abetters as well?

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:31am

    Goes to show you not all Immigrants are good.

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  • Roor rips 860
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:23am

    Comon son this old nazi looks like he could die any minute.. to bad none of my Grandpas bombs got him.

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  • Pancho3
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:22am

    Why aren’t George Soros and the 100,000+ Jewish people that helped the Nazis being brought to justice?

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:04am

      Who exactly are the 100,000+ Jews that helped the Nazis?
      If you mean those who worked in the extermination camps, most of them were killed at the end, when the Nazis liquidated their camps–and most of the prisoners in them–as the Allies closed in.

      As for George Soros, he played no role in the Holocaust, except to accompany his gentile protector who was taking inventory of a Jewish-owned estate whose owners, incidentally, were not killed but escaped. At the time he was 14 years old. Everyone knows this now; even Glenn Beck doesn’t harp on it any more.

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  • Pancho3
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:20am

    Why aren’t George Soros and the 100,000+ Jewish that helped the Nazis being brought to justice?

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  • ConservativeBurgher
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:15am

    If he did the deed, then he deserves justice. Crimes against humanity deserve justice with no statue of limitations. However, after reviewing the case in Israel where he was sentenced to death and then the verdict was overturned due to the mistaken identity, perhaps we should think also about his family here in the states & the hell they have gone through every time their father is accused of heinous crimes. Now there seems to be some question as to whether or not the id that was used as primary evidence to convict is authentic or manufactured. Folks, we are talking about an american citizen that was deported to stand trial while illegal immigrants from who knows where murder americans and we do nothing. Per the article above
    ” In a 1985 report, the FBI’s Cleveland, Ohio, field office concluded that: “Justice is ill-served in the prosecution of an American citizen on evidence which is not only normally inadmissible in a court of law, but based on evidence and allegations quite likely fabricated by the KGB.””

    Think about it – he was supposedly at the camp for less than 6 months as a low level guard. The id may or may not be authentic. The Soviets had motivation to manufacture evidence since Demjanuk was from the Ukraine and we all know the number of Ukrainians slaughtered by the Soviets. Seems like “beyond a reasonable doubt” to me.

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  • bets
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:04am

    I watched History channel. On one of the programs about the people of Germany and the police they where all involved in the madness. The police that became ss soldiers and guards went back to thier jobs after the war and retired with honor. Some went back as politicians and retired with honor. Others after they got the hell bombed out of them, learned to live with this madness, hide it and make money like this man and George Soros. What has our government done with the ones we wanted? Used them to make more madness. Maybe there where just too many killers to put all of them in prison or kill. At this point only God will judge those that killed and helped to kill His people. Back then the Allies should have hunted down ALL of the leaders where ever they where and killed them.

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  • NuffSaid
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:58am

    Kill 26,000, you get a trial in Germany. Bomama has out-nazied the nazi’s.

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  • Ironeagle
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:56am

    Another distraction … the real criminals today are in high places and pulling off the biggest rip-off of all time.

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  • NuffSaid
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:56am

    Crimminy! I thought Bomama had found a new czar for DHS!

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  • Midwestgirl1116
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:55am

    I have read countless books on the Nazi Germany period. Most books have made me cry. It does not matter to me that this guy is 91—he deserves his punishment!

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  • TexasStu
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:42am

    I am not really sure how I feel about this. He was following orders in the German army and could have been shot if he had not. It is not like today where a man does not follow orders they just reassign him or send him to jail for a short while. I really believe he did not have a choice in the matter for him it was more than likely life or death that he follow orders. Now if he had been an officer hang him from the highest tree.

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    • attleboro
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:06am

      I agree that maybe he was between a rock and a hard place, but if your orders are to commit genocide, I think it’s safe to say you have the responsibility to disobey them.

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  • bew0576
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:37am

    Drives me mad that he’s lived in the U.S. and retired here AFTER he murdered innocent Jews. I wonder if it was hard for him to work around people that were possibly Jews and not have the desire to torture them? It’s a disgrace that he was even in this country and now us tax-payers are going to have to foot his bill. That‘s one reason I’m glad Bin Laden was killed, can you imagine the victims of his having to foot his legal bills and house and feed the monster. Our system is beyond screwed up and sadly Obama and Eric Holder have done nothing but make it worse. I’m with Newt, Eric Holder needs to investigated for his previous dealings with terrorist groups, whatever happened to this admin. being transparent??? Shame on our government!

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:46am

      Um, this trial was in Germany. Hellloooo.

      It is interesting that he’s a retired auto worker probably from Detroit. Probably making a great retirement salary thanks to the AFL-CIO.

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:52am

      I meant the UAW. Sorry. One Communist union is the same as the next I guess.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:26am

      Notamushroom:
      Your comment is an insult to the contributions of millions of UAW workers who built the trucks, tanks and aircraft that helped defeat Nazi Germany.

      Bone up please on your labor history: the Electrical Workers, the Screen Writers Guild and some others had Communist leadership for a while in the 1940s. Never the UAW.

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    • randy
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:47am

      @LLOYD DRAKO

      Bone up please on your labor history: the Electrical Workers, the Screen Writers Guild and some others had Communist leadership for a while in the 1940s. Never the UAW.

      Guess you need to do a little research for yourself…. THE UAW was full of communists until a purge in the mid to late 40′s and in 2011 is again full of communists!

      And now on Feb 16th 2011 Obama appoints the United Auto Workers President, Bob King to the Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations. As a long time leader of the U.A.W. King would have to be closely linked to America’s largest Marxist organization, Democratic Socialists of America. Many of U.A.W. leading officials in recent years have been D.S.A. members or sympathisers, including King’s long time fellow union Vice Presidents Elizabeth Bunn and Richard Shoemaker.

      U.A.W. leaders have, over several years, placed (presumably paid) advertisements in D.S.A.’s Democratic Left magazine, praising the publication as a “strong voice for social and economic justice.”

      Bob King, Elizabeth Bunn, Richard Shoemaker and many othe U.A.W. leaders have signed these ads.

      It is worth remembering that former D.S.A. National Political Committee member Kurt Stand is currently serving 17 years imprisonment for spying for East Germany and the former Soviet Union. Many D.S.A. members have ties to Cuba and the organization also works closely with the Communist Party USA and other foreign affiliated radical groups.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:55am

      Randy:
      The UAW has never been under Communist leadership.
      Marxist, socialist and communist are not equivalent terms.
      You can be a Marxist without being a communist.
      You can be a socialist without being a Marxist.
      Guilt by association, anyone?

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:58am

      @Lloyd Drako
      We are talking about the same UAW that ultimately bankrupted GM among others, was bailed out by us the taxpayers, has received a waiver from Obamacare, and stole from their shareholders with the help of the Obama administration, right? Just want to make sure I’m insulting the right union.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:09am

      Notamushroom:
      The very same union.
      Demjanjuk is from Cleveland, not Detroit.
      He should be sent back there to die with his family.

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:13am

      @Lloyd Drako

      Randy:
      “The UAW has never been under Communist leadership.
      Marxist, socialist and communist are not equivalent terms.
      You can be a Marxist without being a communist.
      You can be a socialist without being a Marxist.
      Guilt by association, anyone?”

      Seriously? You must be a teacher. Don’t want to leave that union out.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:37am

      Notamushroom:

      The UAW has never been under Communist leadership.
      Marxist, socialist and communist are not equivalent terms.
      You can be a Marxist without being a communist.
      You can be a socialist without being a Marxist.

      Which of these propositions are you contesting?

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:56am

      All of them. Can’t wait to hear your thesis.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 11:25am

      Notamushroom:

      The UAW has had 9 presidents since 1945, some of whom (e.g. Walter Reuther) at times called themselves socialists and even visited the USSR, but none actually joined the Communist Party. Some lesser UAW leaders were surely covert Party members, but the UAW was never a Communist front.

      Socialists have 2 things in common: the belief that cooperation, not competition, should be the organizing principle of human life, and that the path to this end lies through abolition of private ownership of the means of production (capitalism), and its replacement with “social” ownership (socialism).

      Marxists are a subset of socialists who believe that the overthrow of capitalism and the coming of socialism are inevitable, and that this is scientifically demonstrable. Hence, Marx called his doctrine “scientific socialism.” Many socialists believe that socialism is desirable but not necessarily inevitable.

      Communists are a subset of Marxists who believe that the overthrow of capitalism requires a tightly disciplined “vanguard” party of professional revolutionaries to seize power and rule in the name of the working class, but that the working class by itself can accomplish nothing except “trade unionism,” i.e., the sort of unionism represented by the UAW.

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  • Taxpayer550
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:36am

    Looking back, I don’t know how someone who was involved with the extermination of so many innocent Jewish people could even find the urge to exist. Apparently, this guy has no conscience, and hasn’t had one for decades!

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:24am

      So your theory here is that guards at Guantanamo who man the front gates and check ID’s are actually the people who torture the people held in the prison? Really?

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  • reckless
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:36am

    I am disappointed, I was hoping to see George Soros in handcuffs…

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    • starman70
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:15am

      Good post. How many people were killed or injured by rioting and civil disobedience after Soros destroyed the economies of 3 countries. He should be held accountable as an accessory to the deaths of those people.

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  • Tyr
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:33am

    Add your comments

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    • starman70
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:31am

      There is a real dearth of information as to what he was really guarding. Was it the perimiter fence? Was it the pay office? Was it the barraks housing the prisoners? Was it the gas chambers?

      As a soldier, he had to do what he was told. Under the Nazis, if he didn’t, he would have been shot as a traitor. He would have been tried for treason.

      This post by no means exhonorates the Nazi’s leadership from the horrors of the genocide they perpetrated on the Jewish people and other peoples of Eastern Europe. As a frormer U. S. Army soldier, it was drilled into us that refusal to obey orders would result in a trial and long imprisonment in Levenworth prison. Under the Nazi regime, it would have meant automatic death.

      5 years in prison for a 90 year old means that he will probably never live to leave the prison alive. That is a death sentance whether or not it was meant to be.

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  • smalldog
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:27am

    “The prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp, he was a participant in the killing – the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.” I wonder if this applies to other spooky dudes?

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  • siebegorman
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:26am

    Regardless of the age, is five years reasonable for 28,060 counts of accessory to murder reasonable?

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    • avenger
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 7:22pm

      google demjanjuk Israel trial 1993 and you will understand the new German Nazis are torturing an old man…

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  • jedi.kep
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:12am

    Wow. He was a soldier who followed orders as a guard. Now he’s 91 and we toss him in jail? He’s like oh so threatening in his wheelchair. Sorry, but something is outta whack here.

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    • randy
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:16am

      @JEDI.KEP Yeah, you’re out of whack…….. What a stupid statement.

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    • EyebrowsLaMana
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:29am

      Following orders? really? You can’t be serious. He helped to physically kill people. because of his actions (orders or not) people died, they were gassed, they were shot, they were starved, they were stripped naked, frozen,beaten, raped, burnt, tortured in ways that we wouldn’t even guess, he and anyone else left living who had even the tiniest role in this should be PUNISHED SWIFTLY. Yea, but you’re right…he was just following orders, no biggie.

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    • Tyr
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:33am

      While I don’t condone the actions of the Nazis, I do think they were “snappy” dressers. And it is interesting to note that it took the whole free world and the Soviet Union to defeat a nation of 30 million people that is roughly the size of Montana.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:40am

      Maybe if it were your family stacked like firewood you just might have a different outlook

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:41am

      “We” didn’t do anything. This was a case from MUNICH, as in Germany. Duh.

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    • Griz489
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:41am

      @ jedi.kep i agree with ya its like our president or general telling us to do something and 30 years from now get put into jail for something we were ordered to do … makes no sense even how evil the event was

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:15am

      I’m with you Jedi.Kep

      this is nothing but jews licking their lips at the price of an old man. I followed orders when i was in the military. Good thing I didn’t have to shoot any jews, i‘m sure decades from now they’d be tracking me down too. because jews are the ultimate victum. boo hoo hoo

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:19am

      Jedi: you have a point here. This man is harmless and, judging by the look of him, hardly remembers what he did at Sobibor–if he was at Sobibor. Where’s the justice here?

      TYR: Nazi Germany was a nation of 80 million, not 30 million. They did have a fashion sense, though. I suspect it’s the aesthetics of the 3rd Reich that account for a lot of its fascination even 70-80 years on.

      Why was Demjanjuk tried in Germany? Odd to think that some of the descendants of the people who gave him his orders now condemn him for following orders. Why was this trial not in Poland, Ukraine or even Israel?

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    • Phr34k
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:21am

      I think the nation of Israel had it right the first time. There is NO way to positively identify this man. And how the hell could you convict someone of 28k murders when he didn’t even serve there, according to them, as a low level guard, barely 6 months?

      Germany, in it’s haste to erase their guilt, has made a mistake. If you can’t get it 100%, you don’t convict. Simple as that. It is better to let someone guilty walk free than to convict someone that could be innocent.

      Especially when that person is obviously no threat to anyone. If he is indeed guilty of 28,000 murders, he will certainly face his true judgement…and soon.

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    • azsun
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:28am

      I agree, seems like a witch hunt to me. We are still trying to pin all the evils brought about by the Nazi regime to someone. Like the dude could do anything about being stationed there if he was in fact there. Guess someday we will have to bring to trial some of our soldiers who were in Afghanistan and Iraq because of some of the instances that have happened there even though they had no choice being there and no proof they even participated in those atrocities.. Blame them all and bring them all to trial. That will show the world. LOL
      Get off with the Nazi thing. Get a job and start watching your neighbors next door since they may be a terrorist.

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:28am

      @ NOTAMUSHROOM

      Actually we did do something, we turned him over to the over-apologetic country of germany. once great and powerful. now afraid to speak out against even the muslims destroying their country. If only there were some solution to the invation going on. oh wait, nevermind. That will get you arrested 70 years later

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    • randy
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:30am

      @LLOYD DRAKO Odd to think that some of the descendants of the people who gave him his orders now condemn him for following orders.

      That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard……….. The sins of my Father are not my sins you idiot.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:41am

      Randy:
      Duh.
      Obviously the ironic mode of discourse is alien to you.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:45am

      Randy:
      My point was, these crimes were committed in Poland, allegedly by a Ukrainian, against Jews, very few of whom would have come from Germany. So why was this trial held in Germany? Of all places!
      Of course I’m not sayaing that the current generation of Germans is responsible for what their fathers and grandfathers did.

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    • azsun
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:49am

      Attention EyebrowsLaMana. Well that is the the just you served out. They already determined in the courts if you read the article there was no proof to that.
      So your verdict is now overuling the courts. So why do we have courts. You say he physically murdered those people. Can I have your eyewitness statement please, or the statements from your witnesses. I am sure the court in Germany would like them. You assume that all Germans were killing Jews. It was actually a secret goup carrying this out. Hitler did not want this out to the general German people and soldiers.
      Kind of like here in the USA. We find out stuff later and say it was for the greater good. Like supplying Saddam Hussein with the war against Iran. Or other operations in the past in other countries. Who in America has been brought to trial for the death that brought? Only way we get away with that stuff is because we are still temporarily considered a super power. But not for long, once they change the monetary base of money worldwide from the American dollar (which recently the world had a meeting to that effect, us excluded from the meeting) , it will be all over with for this country because the American dollar is based on the good will of the American people and that has been eroding for years. Then the trials will began on Americans. Mark My Word on that.

      The only thing that made us a super power was WW2. We were not before that time, nor have the production or any other capibility to be one if not for

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    • MaggieRose
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:02am

      @ Repulicorp… agreed!

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:07am

      @Dimmuwit
      “Jewish hunger is never satisfied i guess”
      “this is nothing but Jews licking their lips at the price of an old man…..because Jews are the ultimate victim boo hoo hoo”

      There are no words to respond to your posts. They speak for themselves about what is in your heart. Chilling.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:55am

      Tyr: I marvel at what they were able to accomplish each and every day.. It’s simple a matter of Unity and the unity of a race is without question the most intense form of unity.

      Not only that I do believe that the German people are either some of the smartest most industrious people on earth.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 12:18pm

      Techengineer:

      “The smartest, most industrious people on earth.”

      I’m sure you realize that you could well be describing the Jews! Their worldwide diaspora has “leavened” the cultures of many host nations, including Germany and the US! There were good historical reasons why Jews played a leading role in the early history of communism, none of which in any way excuse anti-Semitism.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 1:24pm

      Lloyd Drako: You are absolutely right. That’s why I attempted to qualify it but I messed it up.. From what little I’ve read on IQ studies, Jews and Asians (far east Asians) always score the highest. I‘ve heard many classify today’s Jews as Asians so I don’t if they go to together or not but I suspect the reason why they score the highest is because of their purity of race. Obviously Africans score the lowest.

      In my opinion the two most powerful people on the planet today are Jews and Asians and once again it is because of their Unity.. What irritates me is the fact that it is well understood that Unity is a source of strength; however, our leaders in America and Europe emphatically preach diversity and muliticult.

      I agree with the final comment about anti-Semitism but it appears that if you attempt to notify people of the connection with Marxism much less any other more controversial less researched or correlated connection then you are automatically branded as one like me…. lol

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 1:37pm

      Lloyd Drako: I want to take a stab at this question you posed above.. By the way I loved the color, pagentry and organization of the 3rd Reich even when I thought they were Satanic..

      “Why was Demjanjuk tried in Germany? Odd to think that some of the descendants of the people who gave him his orders now condemn him for following orders. Why was this trial not in Poland, Ukraine or even Israel?”

      You probably are not going to want to hear it but I think it is two prong. First of all just like before the 1930s Germany is once again dominated with Jewish influence probably on par with America or even greater. Secondly the Jew just can’t get enough of linking everything with Munich with defeat. Entirely Symbolism.

      Same way they killed the most influential leaders at Nuremberg.. Nuremeberg was the place where the Nuremberg laws were first drawn up which sent the Jews into a tizzy resulting in them declaring War on Germany. Consider this, the Nuremberg laws was diversity in the truest sense but condemned world wide.. lol

      In America today we don’t have anything like true diversity you know Asian per Asian pop. Black per Black pop, Jew per jew pop, Caucasion per caucasion pop, hisp per hisp… That is the most general definition of diversity when it is taught but it’s not practiced.
      Could you imagine what would happen if you had true Jewish representation in America in the Banking and Media industries… WW3!!!!! lol

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  • randy
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:09am

    “The verdict sends a very powerful message that, even many years after the crimes of the Holocaust the perpetrators can be brought to justice,” he said by telephone from Jerusalem. “We’re hopeful that this verdict will pave the way for additional prosecutions in Germany.”

    BULL!!! He should have been sent to the gas chambers immediately…… 5 years? what a joke.

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    • Tyr
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:35am

      EyebrowsLaMana
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:29am

      Yeah, your right! He should have just told those mean ol’ Nazis, “I‘m not going to do that and you can’t make me”. Are you a complete idiot, or do you really think that you are so frickin’ noble that you would have refused to carry out military orders? I’m pretty darned sure the Nazis were a little harder on “conscientious objectors” than the United States is/was. I mean the U.S. just put Quaker, Menonite, am Amish “conscientious objectors” to work in labor camps and factories in big cities during WWII. This was after up rooting them from their families and homes, and in some cases taking their property. I’m sure the Nazis would have just executed anyone that refused to do their duty for the “fatherland”.

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    • attleboro
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:01am

      Randy, I agree with you, but the mention of Obama Kool Aid is quite childish. This story is not about Obama.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:50am

      Randy: You are a liar. You would have done exactly what 99% of all other Germans did.. Obeyed orders. Please stop with the nonsense.. Leave the old man alone.

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    • avenger
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 7:15pm

      u r another clueless twit..the Jews in 1993 tried and acquitted him for lack of evidence.nothing new was turned up for this bogus trial in the new Nazi Germany !

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  • BONETRAUMA
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:06am

    let him rot in Germany

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    • avenger
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 6:56pm

      dude…you need to spruce up on the facts…Israel tried and acquitted him for lack of evidence in 1993 ! do you think the Jews would let him walk….so why are the new german nazis being so politically incorrect by torturing an old man ?

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  • DagneyT
    Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:04am

    Better late than never.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:23am

      Good thing he wasn’t Mexican Holder would have blocked any probe into his background

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    • MAULEMALL
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:23am

      Him and Soros make a cute couple…

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    • TexasCommonSense
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:26am

      What do ya bet he was a UAW member. Too funny.

      It’s amazing what people can be convinced to do. Who would ever think it is acceptable to exterminate millions like they did? In many cases, ordinary Germans were turned into mass murderers.

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:35am

      Eternity will not be a happy place for Demjanjuk unless he comes clean before his Maker, before his demise.

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    • MR_ANDERSON
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:37am

      When there is doubt, do not rush to judge, but remember…just because we choose not to cast judgement here, does not mean God will not cast his.

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:10am

      I am completely against this.

      What are people going to say about us when we are no longer the super power and one of our former enemies decides they are going to track ex military down till we’re 90 years old and throw us all in prison or kill us. While all the people say “better late than never”

      Leave these old men alone. They followed orders when they were young. Jewish hunger is never satisfied i guess

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    • GODSAMERICA
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:14am

      Regardless of what the Germans say now, this shows even to this day how little and cheap the Jewish people’s lives were/are to them. 28,060 convictions for 5 years? That comes to about 1/2 of a day for each life. Like I said, apparently the Germans to this day think that a Jewish life is only worth 1/2 day.

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:16am

      We also need a fence around new york to keep who’s there, there! Eichmann died when he got his gas bill!! this guy prison??? Death!! after waterboarding.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:19am

      DimmuBorgir: It’s much deeper than that. People have no clue how many Jewish butchers in the Soviet Army fled to Israel to live out their lives in pleasure under the protection of the US and Israeli ZOGs even though there is ample evidence to convict them of crimes which would make even Hitler himself look benevolent in comparison.

      Indeed Justice will eventually be served.. and it won’t all be on the backs of 90+ aging Nationalists.. Let the utterly wicked Jew revel in their revenge… Their day is coming. Promise you! Continue in your delusions if you must but the world is awakening.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:22am

      @Professional Infidel

      “We also need a fence around new york to keep who’s there, there! Eichmann died when he got his gas bill!! this guy prison??? Death!! after waterboarding.”

      This “guy” was a simple guard. There is no evidence he did anything except stand bored on a watch tower, the article even says so. We have plenty of guards at our bases, and I strongly doubt that they participate in anything except guard duty, in fact it really bothers me that the entire “theory” was that “hey, he was a guard, obviously he must must have been shoving people into ovens”. This is guilt by association, which is barbaric in any civilized society.

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:23am

      @professional

      waterboard him?? what information are you looking for? how many perscriptions he takes, what his favorite early bird special is, what brand of adult diapers he buys???

      he’s an old man and should be left alone. he was fine in ohio, he didn’t do anything after the war. he was a soldier following orders.

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    • VanGrungy
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:33am

      A conviction with no evidence. Whatever you think of the holocaust this is bad law. A witchhunt for rank and file soldiers WHO DID NOT KNOW ANY BETTER DUE TO THE PROPAGANDA OF THE TIMES is not a glorious victory.

      When this sort of ‘trial’ starts against American soldiers, be prepared to support that witchhunt too.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:39am

      I wonder, if in 60+ years, if Obama gets what he wants, they will be putting him and his thugs on trial, decades after all of us went to his concentration camps?…..Remember folks, contrary to what revisionist history would have you believe, Nazism/Communism is what happens when the left-wing is allowed to run wild…..not the right.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 9:58am

      Persecution of Christians exceeds those afflicted by the Holocaust.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:03am

      @DimmuBorgir
      “he was a soldier following orders.”
      ————————————————————
      So was Joseph Mengele and others. Does that absolve them?

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:46am

      TXPilot: Don’t let GB deceive you. It’s not really that complicated. Marxism is left. National Socialism was Right.

      Anytime Nationalism is honored it is prefaced by a love of country love of traditions and culture which is always characterized throughout modern history as being Right wing. True their economic policy was dictated by the State which one could characterize as Left but their social policy was totally Nationalistic oriented by far trumping their Leftist economic views.

      On the other hand Marxism is characterized by extreme Leftist policies on both the Social and Economic fronts and to a much further degree than National Socialism on the economic side. Germany still had some free enterprise in their economy whereas Russia had none.

      Help GB understand. I’m not sure what his agenda is in deceiving peope with this obvious contradiction.. Anyone have any ideas why he wants to blur the line between NS and Marxism?

      Don‘t start calling me names because I’m strictly Right wing both economically and socially… Just stating the facts as I see them.

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 11:08am

      Wow, he has taken the term “union thug” to an all new level…..

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 3:31pm

      GhostOfJefferson: FOR FUN!!!

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    • randy
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 3:51pm

      A German court convicted John Demjanjuk on Thursday for his role in the killing of 28,000 Jews in the Sobibor Nazi death camp, then set the 91-year-old free because of his age.

      DISGUSTING!!! That SOB should have immediately been target practice for the firing squad!

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    • SgtB
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 3:51pm

      @ Techengineer,

      Are you really saying that the NAZI (National Socialist Party) was a conservative right wing organization? Forget the fact that conservative and right wing are subjective labels, there was nothing conservative about the NAZI party. True, they weren’t for complete individual freedom, but neither the left or right are. That means that we have to look at their economic policies to determine which side, left or right, they most closely resemble. In this area they are the most like the Democrats and the left hands down.

      I almost forgot, they instituted a eugenics program just like the Democrats did in the US in the early 1900′s until the Republicans finally garnered enough support from the public who had seen the logical end to their path in the German concentration camps. Despite this huge setback, the left continues to try and regulate the birth of the “unwanted” through programs that provide free abortions and pre-natal screenings so that mothers can abort “burdensome” children that are not fit to live. That is about as far away from conservative as it gets.

      By the way, I’m a Libertarian.

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    • jhaydeng
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 5:12pm

      He has lived his life already! How is this a good thing? He can’t even walk and probably wets himself! Seems like too late to celebrate!

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    • AOL_REFUGEE
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 8:42pm

      This is all a phony farce.

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    • adouglass1
      Posted on May 12, 2011 at 10:07pm

      He made it this late without getting caught, sad testament that only the good die young!!!

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