‘A Consumer-Protection Law’: Utah Becomes First State to Enforce 72-Hour Waiting Period for Abortions
- Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:19pm by
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The state of Utah now has the longest mandated “waiting period” for abortions in the country, after the state’s House and Senate voted to extend the time women seeking abortions must wait from one day, to three.
The move is designed to give women more time to think about their decision and find potential alternatives, but pro-abortion activists like Planned Parenthood are outraged.
“For some people that may be a point of celebration,” Planned Parenthood of Utah Director Karrie Galloway said. “For others it may be a point of heartache…Women make good decisions and think about their decisions and the legislature telling them how long they need to think about their decision — it’s insulting.”
A Salt Lake Tribune columnist wrote:
With this sort of logic, there are all sorts of things for which the government should require a 72-hour waiting period. At the risk of giving them any ideas, let’s examine a few.
Why shouldn’t you have to wait 72 hours before getting drunk or high? Lots of really bad decisions get made when you’re hammered, so it’s only fair that you sign a letter of intent, then sit in a room for three days before being served.
I also think you should have to wait 72 hours before going to church every week. Church is a deeply personal matter, but it’s often where one’s view of the world is reinforced to the extent that it becomes imperative to impose it on everyone else.
If waiting 72 hours before resolving an unwanted pregnancy is a good idea, why not a 72-hour wait before getting pregnant on purpose? Given issues of overpopulation and increasing poverty, it’s only fair to the rest of us that you go through a cooling-off period…
"I had an abortion" t-shirts sparked controversy earlier this year (Photo: WECT)
Sponsored by Republican Representative Steve Eliason in the House and State Senator Curtis Bramble in the Senate, Eliason believes otherwise.
“I think it’s a positive change for women and children…At the end of the day, it’s a consumer-protection law. The focus of this bill is women having time to consider all of the information that is given to them when facing a life-altering decision that somebody else is making money off of.”
An Alliance Defense Fund Allied attorney commented:
“If Planned Parenthood truly cared about the well-being of women, it would not try to rush them into the abortion chamber before determining that her decision is not being coerced…This law ensures that women have a chance to get accurate information and counseling from those who seek to protect the mother’s true rights. The requirement of a 72-hour waiting period is essential to ensure her decision is voluntary and informed.”
What do you think? Is Utah right to mandate a waiting period so that women can be certain of their decision, or is this a personal matter in which the government ought not interfere?
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Shiroi Raion
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:05amShow them the 180movie.
Report Post »conservativejon
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:20amcool, so if i want to kill someone all i have to do is think about it for 72 hours first. Im going to go and make my very late term abortion wish list while i wait.
seriously though, this is a very good first step.
It seems that people are beginning to understand that killing a child is killing a child.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:05amWith this sort of logic, there are all sorts of things for which the government should require a 72-hour waiting period. At the end of the day everyone likes big government and government intrusion into the lives of others so long as it is consistent and reinforces what they believe and how they want people to act. Unfortunately, that is not consistent with the nature of true liberty.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:35amSHow them the Constitution, the Casey decision, the Roe v. Wade decision, thsi is another unconstitutional lawto impose religious law on citizens.
READRIGHTHERE
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 11:59amThis is brilliant legislation. If the mother is committed to her decision, what is 72 more hours? If she is teetering or emotional (obviously she would be easily compromised while pregnant, not to mention 10 percent less blood flow to the brain) then she is more likely to need the time to reconsider and may in fact decide on an alternate plan. This is a state’s attempt to protect would be mothers from making a decision based on the enticement, coercion, and politics of those in the “business” of killing children, they might regret later. Bravo for the legislator to call it consumer protection. And of course planned parenthood has their agenda, so they are rightfully pissed off at the intrusion into their power entitlement, and they know dang well that there will be women who will change their mind during the course of the three days, and they don’t give a rats patoot about the women, let alone the babies, they care about the measure of their influence and power. Pure and simple, and oh, by the way, evil as well.
Encicom, but abortion is not a right, it is a miscarriage of justice. Rights come from our creator and are inalienable. Abortion as a “right” is a fiction of Government, and is instead a privilege which the government did not have the “right” to extend. Be that as it may, each individual is responsible for their decisions no matter what the government says. Caesar sometimes gets what is caesar’s. At least abortion isn’t yet a requirement a la China.
Report Post »ACLUHater
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:16pmWhatever ****** off PP – I’m all for it!
Report Post »dtinsb
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:47amHere’s some logic for you Karen… Since you are so upset that Utah is requiring an extra two day waiting period for women wanting abortions, it would seem that you are afraid that something in those 48 hours could change. And the only likely thing to change is the woman’s mind. So basically you are afraid that the woman would choose NOT to kill their baby and that upsets you. So logic would follow that a woman killing her baby makes you happy. So…Karen loves killing babies.
Report Post »dtinsb
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:45amThe logic by this lady is astounding… Did she really say that there should be a 72 hour waiting period on attending church? Nevermind the fact that there are weekly services that you CHOOSE to continue to attend, but really getting a major surgery that destroys a living HUMAN is now equivalent to attending a church service? I mean.. REALLY? Even you atheists on here have to admit that was one dumbest comments ever made. And 72 hours for getting pregnant on purpose? Is she seriously this dumb… The funniest part of this is that she prefaces it with… “With this sort of logic”. She obviously has no clue what logic is, because her reasoning skills are about the worst I have ever seen. It is one thing to hold a position on a moral issue without a moral compass, however it is another to enter a debate with out any understanding of what logic truly is. And I don’t know one sane person that would complain about having to wait a whole extra two days before having a major surgery. What are they afraid of?? That the person may actually feel the baby inside and change their mind? Would that be so terrible?
Report Post »VanMom
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:23amWomen who make good decisions and who think about their decisions either don’t need an abortion or are exempted from the law.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:20pmAn unmarried girl/woman could tell the male partner that she is going to wait 72 hours before having un-protected sex with that person.This would have to apply to “all” unmarried girls/women. If the girl/woman puts a time limit of 72 hours, the male partner will seek out another partner since now-a-days it is “friends with benefits”.
Report Post »teacherskj
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:28pmIs Karrie Galloway insulted that people in Utah have to wait 7 days to buy a gun? After all, don’t all people who want guns think about it and make “good choices?”
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:54amExactly. A gun COULD take a life. An abortion DOES take a life.
Report Post »LowIncome
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 11:45amThere is no such waiting period to buy a gun in Utah. I have personally purchased a gun in Utah and did not have to wait more than 10 minutes to take the gun home with me from the time I walked into the store, decided what gun I wanted to purchase and go home with it.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:23pmMy family & I have been praying for weeks for God to give us a sign as to where we should move due to the coming storm. He keeps screaming “Utah”. This waiting period is an excellent idea. Maybe it will save lives.
Report Post »guitarguytim
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:09pmCome on over, you’ll love Utah! It’s a great place to live. I tried for years to find somewhere I liked better (I tried places in the east and west), but ultimately ended up in Utah, and don’t regret it one bit.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:21pmIf things work out well it will soon be illegal to murder an in womb baby just like its a illegal to kill all humans outside the womb.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:32pmThat will be a great day.
Report Post »Tree_Butcher
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 12:02amThe hypocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me. Legalize infanticide, but abolish the death penalty (who is the innocent here?).
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:37amTo bad there is this thing called the CONSTITUTION preventing the Christian taliban from replace this republic with a theocracy.
Military Vet
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:15pmHow’s this for irony- Planned Parenthood of Utah Director Karrie Galloway said. “For others it may be a point of heartache…Women make good decisions and think about their decisions and the legislature telling them how long they need to think about their decision — it’s insulting.”
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:11amI think a woman’s wanting an abortion might be thinking.
- The fun (club hopping) will stop.
- The father was fun but he is not the one I want to impregnate me. He’s not good enough.
- Where will I get the money especially if I ( the woman) is not married to the sperm donor.
The Planned Parent Hood Director suggested a 72 hour waiting period to get pregnant? She is a moron. In my case, my spouse & I waited 18 months. We had to finish up degree requirements & get jobs. But what do you expect but canards from a moral descendant of Margaret Sanger, the racist.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:15pmWhy does’nt that shirt say what it really means. I had an abortion because I do not have the personal responsibility to use birth control when I did not want to have a child so I had it dismembered and removed from my body so I would not have to live with the inconvienance of feeding, clothing and housing another human being that is half me and would cling to me and need me like it was a puppy. And before you start I am sire a rape victim would not advertise like this.
Report Post »Granny58
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 8:26amthat would be an awesome T-shirt!
Report Post »teacherskj
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:09pmUh you have to wait a week before you can buy a gun so the authorities can check you out and you can think about it. This abortion waiting period is a little different but yet still similar in that this is a human life a woman is deciding to terminate. The planned parenthood director of Utah goes off like a rocket and says “it’s insulting to make a woman wait an extra TWO DAYs before making the final decision.” Hey,lady, it’s a decision that can be final and fatal for the unborn HUMAN. What’s insulting is the cavelier attitude that some have of aborting. What is insulting is not recognizing an unborn human as HUMAN. What is it about progressives and some democrats with their “rights giving” to end life. That to end life is humane! That is what insulting. How dare we question women who make “good choices.” — in other words how dare someone interfere with the possible killing of a human being for the women’s good choices are a right and humane. Serial killers are pariah in our culture but the serial killer factory, planned parenthood is lifted up as a place that provides health care. Bull. While a low percentage of what it does serves the community in a positive way, 90% of its business is abortions for a culture that has lost it’s morals a needs a quick fix to solve the problem of inconvinient life forms.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:18pmBOO! I was going to make this very same point. If you can legally have a waiting period to buy a gun? Then you can do it for damn near anything since the 2nd is real and an amendment doesn’t exist that says anything about abortion.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:04pmAs I was reading the part above that was written by the Salt Lake Reporter, I was trying to understand his thought process for the things he was saying.
His words had a familiar ring to them.
Then it dawned on me.
He sounds just like JZS.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:01pmI’m pro-choice, but I agree with this law. I don’t believe that women make these decisions likely; I have known women who have chosen abortions and every one was aware of the reality of the situation and under no illusions. Nor do I doubt that there are less than competent providers who would need such a regulation in order to allow a woman to make an informed and deliberate decision.
I would also like to ask a couple of questions to those who support this and other regulations. Would you ask that fertility clinics require couples to sit through a presentation on adoption? Also, would you be willing or not to allow gay couples equal access to adoption services along with straight couples?
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:29pmCalm Voice: Abortion kills a baby. You two other questions concern the joy of life.
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:32pmI disagree, the act of performing an abortion is sadistic and arcane. If you actually have done the research on the procedure there is no way any human unless they are completely sadistic could justify this treatment of a living being who has had no trial by a jury of peers and due process. Unless you are focibly impregnated then there is no excuse to kill the infant. fetus or whatever term you want to use to dehumanize it. Personal responsibility would dictate that you could use birth control of some form if you do not want to have a child and if you can not afford it every county health department gives out free condoms, and if you can’t make then you have other options for gratification. It is a completely selfish act, most people would not treat there pets like this. You can argue that it is there choice to do so because it is there body but the child has its own brain, heart and body and is a separate being, It is not legal for a mother to kill her child after birth, what is the difference between killing the child 3 months before or after it is expelled from the womans body, infants who are born prematurely even at 20 weeks are being cared for and live to grow and become adults, does that make them viable humans or not? The argument for the validity of abortion falls flat. It boils down to be a selfish, irresponsible, cowardly and reprehensible act. We do not even execute mass murderers with the brutality that we end a babies existence and then throw it in the trash.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:26amCalm Voice of Reason
Also, would you be willing or not to allow gay couples equal access to adoption services along with straight couples?
If so many couples are adopting from overseas, there is not a lack of couples.
Based on observation I can see lesbian wanting to adopt, but gays. If gays want to adopt it is something that has evolved over the last 20 years, because the desire wasn’t there before.
Report Post »nocakeforme12
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:49amExcuse me… but do you realize that what you believe in is the same as ALLOWING A BABY to be born and then ripping it to shreds… Same thing as a late term abortion, birthing the head and then shoving scissors in that poor baby’s skull!!! Say you decide to have a baby and that baby is born and your spouse hates the smelly diapers so said spouse RIPS the baby to shreds and the pain that child feels and is screaming… Do you sit there and watch that baby you love being MUTILATED???
The women who go through this procedure are selfish SADISTS. Birth control and condoms used together prevent pregnancy!! ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!! Victims of crimes CAN TAKE the Morning After pill to prevent pregnancy…
Report Post »carbonfootprints
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:00pmOne of the things government is supposed to do is help protect morality. (Yes, it’s true, just read the Founding Fathers) Utah isn‘t saying you can’t have an abortion, just take the time to really make sure it’s what you want. This is what government is supposed to do, protect the innocent.
Report Post »208hendrix2020
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:59amand how is this protecting the innocent? OK maybe the unborn child, but 95% of women will still go through with the abortin so we arent protecting anyone over the long period?
Report Post »Ron_WA
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:47pmI’m a bit torn on this one …
as a right-to-life Christian I’m all for trying to convince women from aborting …
as a anti-big-brother, smaller govt & pro individual liberties this sets up a dilemma.
I kinda’ think the current 1 day waiting period gives a woman a reasonable opportunity to reconsider ‘cuz they’ve likely been agonizing over this for days or even weeks before making such a life changing decision.
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:06amThat’s a very good point. Now days, though, there‘s just so much more info out there about what’s actually going on in your body & I honestly don‘t think that a lot of people are exposed to that info because it doesn’t fit ‘the agenda.’ That said, I’d rather see the waiting period given with additional & accurate info. I know a lot of women (and men) who’ve just said “oh my god, I’m [we're] pregnant. Let’s get an abortion.”
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:30pm“I also think you should have to wait 72 hours before going to church every week.”
Yes! Progressives need to “fix” that problem of having a 6 day waiting period before Sunday rolls around again! :-)
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:26pmWhy do they have a white pregnant woman as the picture? Majority of abortions are committed by the minorities! Where is the outrage towards the democrat slave masters that are culling their fields? Some abortions are acceptable to me but NOT NEVER NADA is it appropriate as BIRTH CONTROL!!!!
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:06pmI video with a recorded abortion surgery as well as an abortus fetus must be made obligatory to watch to all women seeking abortions. And forget about those idiotic warnings “Extremely graphic. Discretion is advised.”
Report Post »You don’t hesitate go for cruelty of an abortion? – don’t be scared of cruelty shown on videos!
ICRedifURBlue
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:03pmGuess this will put a crimp on Planned baby murder clinics from picking up your 14 year old at school…ripping out her baby….and getting her back in time to ride the bus home….all without TELLING YOU !!!!!!………. if that ever happens to me someone besides the baby will also die……..
Report Post »aragona
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:58pmMany states have “cooling off” periods for people seeking a divorce. A 3 day wait to think over killing your baby doesn’t seem that unreasonable to me.
Report Post »the_united_states_of_britain
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:58pmi agree with abortion, i also agree with a waiting period.
abortion is sad, no matter what anyone says. but it is also a necessary evil.
Report Post »CounterStrike
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:01pmMost abortions committed today are not because of rape, incest or the life of the mother. They happen because stupid people don’t know how to have safe sex.
So you must be saying “it’s a necessary evil” because people shouldn’t be responsible for their actions. Wise up!
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:07pmThe_ United; No it’s not a necessary evil.
Report Post »teacherskj
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:14pmIt is NOT a necessary evil. It is far and away just evil. What else do you call the killing of 40 million unborn humans since roe v wade? Do not generalize and make it out to be less horrifying than it is by say it is necessary.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:44pmAnother shining example of Republican paternalism and the hypocrisy of people who proclaim a belief in individual freedoms and small government and decry “Sharia” or religious law in the U.S. but have no problem imposing their religion and the government into bedrooms and the bodies of women. Do I need to explain myself? You must think that women are stupid and incompetent if you think they just happen to be driving down the street and decide to pop in for a quickie abortion on the way to getting their toenails painted or the Brazilian bikini wax! No, this is just another chance to allow protesters to intimidate and bully women in a very vulnerable place already. I’ve never had an abortion, but the women I know who told me about theirs, they spent days or weeks thinking about it before going to the doctor or clinic to get it down. It wasn’t easy, it wasn’t impulsive, but it should be let to their own conscience.
Report Post »Mac_Wade
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:01pmConsider it Due Process for the unborn
Report Post »ICRedifURBlue
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:07pmIs that how it works when they take your kid out of school without your knowledge????
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:18pmThere are at least two great methods to avoid pregnancy and thus – no need for abortion:
1. Stop spreading legs before every second male on the street.
2. Use contraception with your husband and force him to do the same (if not to mention that any man can easily avoid fertilization without lowering the pleasure)
Everything else is predominantly a usual B.S. so much beloved by libertines.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:29pmIt isn’t “religion” that says the “fetus” is a living, developing human being. That’s a biological fact. When you deliberately kill this living being, it is murder. Now if you think that murder should be something one can do if he decides to and be legal, fine, that’s your opinion. However, prolifers believe murder should not be legal and the “unborn” have rights too, just as the mother. And yes, I know something about it as a woman with 5 children and a former counselor at a pregnancy crisis clinic. What you don’t hear is how these women suffer for the rest of their lives with this, that deaths still occur, physical & mental anguish, terrible grief usually occur, etc. The answer is adoption and there are many free clinics that help with this – also ministries that help with finances, counseling, etc. Also no one seems to care or believe that God will bring judgements upon nations and withhold blessings when too many commit these abominations – you are witnessing it in this nation as we speak. And if we don’t repent & get back to God, America is surely doomed.
Report Post »firstgenesis
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:37pmDesertRose,
Report Post »This has nothing to do with so called hypocritical republican paternalism and everything to do with murder. The only way to justify abortion is to strip the child of his or her human qualities. If “it” isn’t human “it” isn’t murder. That is just down-right false! It is a human, abortion is murder!
I understand in some cases it is necessary, like for example if the pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother. In that case it comes down to the life of the child weighed against the life of the mother. And STILL some women choose not to kill their child. The exceptions are rare and they are not the problem. The problem is the 3000+ children killed each DAY here in America. If your friends had put so much time into thinking about having an abortion, another 3 days isn’t going hurt….
It may save the life of a Human!
CounterStrike
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:37pmSo what you’re saying is that abortions should be paid for by the tax payer and convenient like a drive through and an unborn child will suffer the consequences of the mother/father lack of control. Gee, we can have unprotected sex because, abortions are convenient. In the liberal world it’s all about Me, Me, Me.
If I had a bumper sticker machine I would format and print the following.
Liberal Family Value
Report Post »___________________________________
Abortion on Demand
Same Sex Marriage
Pornography
Sex without Consequences
Welfare Dependency
Public education system
Ron_WA
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:39pmI’m w/ you – seems a bit hypocritical to cry out for smaller less intrusive govt yet ask them to impose even tighter govt restrictions … I think the 1 day waiting period was a reasonable opportunity to reconsider …
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:42pm@DESERTROSE1960:
Report Post »I adore your phrase “it should be let to their own conscience”: this is a great approach!
For instance, you happen to know that Mr.X goes to kill your daughter (I assume you were born in 1960, so you may have one).
You personally don’t prevent him from doing that, because you are not a “shining example of Republican hypocrisy”; you are a shining example of [fill in blank].
You let Mr. X to his own conscience. Sure.
DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:03am@Constantineivanov How insulting, what kind of a person says such things to someone else? Since I find people tend to speak from where they live, what kind of morals do you have to make that assumption about someone else? My only partner has been my husband. We planned the birth of our children. As to the other assumption you’ve made, how absurdly stupid. I KNOW someone is going to kill my daughter so I do nothing? How moronic. I can‘t know how any other person will behave until they’ve done something. And if someone had threatened my daughter, I would send the police, that is what they are there for. But the law can’t do anything until a crime has been committed. If the guy shows up with a weapon, the police can arrest him for an attempted crime. Abortion is a legal medical procedure. And it is paternalistic/statist to stop someone who is only thinking about doing something. It’s called thought crime and somebody wrote a book about it a few years ago. I think his name was George something or other.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 7:16am@Counterstrike There you go, making crap up. I said nothing of the sort, in fact, I said the opposite. Here are my Liberal Family Values. I married my only partner. We planned and raised two children and put them through college, they have no loan debt. We have never cheated on our vows. We own our home. We have good jobs and we pay our taxes. We attend our respective religious services on a weekly basis. We have never considered an abortion. We have never received Welfare. We have spoken to Members of Congress on issues important to us, like being able to keep our daughters on our health insurance to age 26 and bans on exclusions for pre-existing conditions. We are informed, we contribute to candidates and to charities and we vote.
@Icredifurblue. What are you blabbering about? How is taking a child out of school related to a waiting period for a medical procedure? My children are finished with school, but I knew where they were when they were in high school and a fair amount of what they were doing in college. We have a close and open relationship. If a pregnant teen skips school to seek reproductive counseling or services, including abortions, without parental knowledge, it says something about the family relationship. And the Utah law was not addressing that. Planned Parenthood doesn’t take kids out of school. If you want to see them, you have to go there. Some schools have nurses, they deal with lots of issues, but they do it in school.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:31amDesertRose1960
You usually post on all things Muslim. Now you are posting on abortion. How many Muslims do we know that are pro-abortion? Your just a garden variety American hating leftists. In a past life your name would be Tokyo Rose & you would be extolling the virtues of killing white devils & lesser Asian races.
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:26pm@DESERTROSE1960:
“@Constantineivanov How insulting, what kind of a person says such things to someone else?” you said.
And what did I say?
I just cited your own phrase, with which you insulted all Republicans.
This is what you said, I cite: “Another shining example of Republican paternalism and the hypocrisy.”
That excerpt not only clearly says that you dislike Republicans, but also implies that you are different.
Well, then I used your own phrase “it should be let to their own conscience” and applied it to a similar example.
And since you are not a “hypocritical Republican,“ you would ”let to somebody’s conscience,” if a person is going to do a very bad thing (or you think that killing a baby, known as “abortion,” is a good thing?)
So, what are you complaining about? You’ve got from me what you preached for.
And if you don’t agree, then it’s you who is a “shining example of hypocrisy”. My 20-year long lookout for Americans Democrats had convinced me that it is typical for Liberals, though.
P.S. As I always say, it’s a lot easier and simpler to pin a label on someone than to ponder over a problem. But Liberals, whom I know, are never capable of real pondering, only labeling.
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:30pm@DESERTROSE1960:
To help you out:
1. “George” you mentioned in reference to a so-called “thought crime,” is most likely George Orwell, and “he wrote a book about it” not “a few years ago,” but rather in 1947-1948 (published in 1949). It’s called “Nineteen Eighty-Four”. I dare assume you did not read that book. I’d highly recommend you to read it. This book helps healing of liberal madness.
2. “Abortion is legal,” you said. Unfortunately, you are right. But laws are created by people, and people are not always intelligent, unbiased, and honest enough. Thus, many laws are dumb and/or unneeded/excessive. Which, of course, is a disputable statement.
In 1983, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said that Roe v. Wade was “on a collision course with itself.” Many legal scholars from across the political spectrum have likewise criticized the Roe and Doe decisions, including notable abortion supporters Lawrence Tribe, Michael Kinsey and Alan Dershowitz.
3. But the issue that is being discussed here, is not the legality of abortion; it is rather about how responsibly women are using that legality; about whether the law can replace conscience; about whether decent women would accept a mandatory chance to ponder once again before making the deadly step, which not only will murder her baby, but also may kill herself and make her infertile for the rest of her life.
4. There is also another one issue: male involved. But there is no place enough to discuss it now.
Report Post »KrebsCyclist
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:42pmIt‘s spelled ’abortion chamber‘ but it is pronounced ’death chamber.’
In the original German it is known as Bad und Desinfektion.
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:40pmReminds me of my sponge diving days. I used to dive for contraceptive sponges … they only grow in the Dead Sea!! :-)
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:26pmBrilliant! This is a wonderful idea.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:25pmBut you have to wait 5 days for a gun during a riot? It aint like fetus is going to pop out burn down your business,rape your wife,steal your TV and shoot you.Should make it a 2 weeks waiting period.
Report Post »tbb
Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:40pmLOL That’s brilliant!
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