‘A Difficult But Necessary Letter’: Shocking Alleged Letter From a Father Disowning His Gay Son Goes Viral
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“James: This is a difficult but necessary letter to write.”
So begins a letter, posted on the website Reddit, that has since come to form a viral symbol of anti-gay bigotry. The letter is from a father, ostensibly to his (adult) gay son after that son came out of the closet, and its contents may shock you regardless of your stance on gay marriage. There certainly is no pretense on the part of the writer to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
“This is a difficult, but necessary letter to write,” the unidentified father writes. “I hope your telephone call was not to receive my blessing for the degrading of your lifestyle. I have fond memories of our time together, but that is all in the past. Don’t expect any further conversations with me. No communication at all. I will not come to visit, nor do I want you in my house. You’ve made your choice, though wrong it may be. God did not intend for this unnatural lifestyle. If you choose not to attend my funeral, my friends and I will understand. Have a good birthday and good life. No present exchanges will be accepted. Goodbye, Dad.”
Reddit user RegBarc claims the letter is from five years ago from his father to him, following RegBarc’s decision to come out as gay. See it below:
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Anton Phibes
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:25pmMy cousin is gay. He was molested as a child. He blames the molestation for making him so.
He is also a drug addict. He was introduced to drugs and never got off them. He blames this early introduction to drugs for making him an addict.
No one will agree with his assessment of the first statement. Many will agree with his assessment of the second. But the bottom line is—he doesn’t have to remain either. All he has to do is make a choice, and have a little willpower.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:50pmI believe being gay is a choice. I don’t think I would do what this father did. But to be honest… I might. If for no other reason than to try to get him to change his mind. Yes I said “change his mind.”
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:57pmTruthisHealthy
I just got done surveying the theories behind why people are gay. It came down to genetics being 40% of less. Environmental factors were 60%. It sounds like a disease to me. A disease that requires medical intervention & psychiatric help.
You better get in 1984 Big Brother mode & rewrite all the info on gayness on the web.
You especially have to get rid of the Swedish study.
It is so much easier being a top in today’s society than a males chauvinist pig treating women badly. the best part is that people celebrate your depravity.
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:58pm@truth is healthy…. You are disowning your name if you think being gay is not a choice. Of course it is a choice. You can choose to follow God and his commandments or you can choose not to. God didn’t say “It’s OK Sodom and Gomorrha, I know you were all born that way so go ahead, I won’t incinerate your cities because it really is my fault for making you that way.” You don’t believe in God so you can justify your continued sinning. You KNOW it is wrong but your guilt compels you to try to deny it.
Report Post »StatenJM
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:58pmJust for some clarity on this word “gay” that is thrown around:
1. Being attracted to the same sex.
2. Having sexual relations with someone of the same sex.
Though being attracted to someone of the same sex is something that possibly may not be eradicated, the actions which come from this can be: i.e. lust, sexual relations.
So from God’s stance (which is the only stance that matters) on things he says:
a. Don’t Lust.
b. Don’t sleep with any person outside of marriage.
c. Don’t sleep with someone of the same sex.
These are indeed a choice to make, and most choose to serve themselves and their father – the devil.
Report Post »mydh12
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:03amto @TruthisHealthy. Having an emotional preference for the same sex, because of some traumatic early childhood experience, such as molestation or an absent father or domineering mother, does NOT mean that a person has to ACT upon those impulses. There is a huge difference between preference and practice. I am a heterosexual guy who is constantly tempted to sleep around with a lot of different women, however, as a Christian, I CHOOSE to not act upon those impulses. Self-control is possible and necessary for BOTH straights and gays. It can be done!
Report Post »gosutag
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:14am@STATENJM: Can you please quote the Holy Bible, the earliest version you’re aware of, so I can see where God says “c. Don’t sleep with someone of the same sex.“ That being that you mean ”have sexual intercourse“ in place of ”sleep.”
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:34amIm not fat by Choice.I was born this way.
Report Post »plainolamerican
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:38amIt is an interesting concept because actually all of the Gay people I know have had some kind of emotional upheavel in their past.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:42amGoustag~ Leviticus 18:22
Report Post »kindling
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:48amI know someone that was molested for years as an alter boy and he molested his sister and brother. He was obsessed with sex no matter where he could get it, people at work said he would have sex with a snake if someone would hold its head and watch for a game worden. He gay bashed if people were looking and engage in sex if they were not. His brother turned out gay and his sister though attracted to men became lesbian because of being raped by her ex. The family was messed up but I don’t believe they were born that way.
Report Post »GRINTSUM
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:49amTRUTHISHEALTHY. You are wrong. Homosexuality is a choice, just like deciding to commit any other mortal sin. A person chooses to do it, and you do not help them leave their sin if you keep telling them it’s normal behavior. It is unnatural and repulsive, and the person committing it should be pitied and prayed for.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:57amI like vanilla ice cream to the exclusion of the rest of the flavors, this does not mean I was born this way. I don’t like chocolate, strawberry, butter pecan or any exotic ice cream flavors and I have been this way my whole life. I don’t think there is a biological reason I like vanilla only. Although, some might think I’m crazy for not liking, insert your own flavor of ice cream.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:34amSilliest post of the day.
Report Post »Quasimofo
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:07am+150 pts. just for the Anton Phibes name. Vulnavia was a fox!
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:45amLets turn it around.
I am hetro, been that way all my life. Did I choose to be hetro? I don’t remember choosing, I just am heterosexual. To be fair though, I don’t remember there being a second choice. I was not aware of homosexuality until I was in my teens. It just was not discussed in those days.
So, does this mean that had I been aware of a second choice I could have chosen homosexuality? I would say no. And ounce I was aware of it, why did I not choose **** then? I never made a choice that I was aware of. I just wasn’t ****.
And the word choice, in this case, implies you have to consider sexual attraction or interaction with the same sex as well. So, for those who are claiming unequivocally that homosexuality is a choice: Did you think/fantasize about an encounter with the same sex? And if you didn’t, when and how did you choose? Or did you just Know.
Report Post »Sosorryforyou
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:07amThis father is blind to God’s love. For those who believe, God exists whether or not the Bible ever existed. He has always been in your heart and that is where you will find him. Not in the pages of a book.
Report Post »satostud
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:07amHomosexual is a CHOICE. Our lives are a culmination of our CHOICES. Period.
Report Post »Trenaway
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:15am@TruthisHealthy When people make the lie that they were born gay, they are only trying to excuse their SIN!!! It is a total lifestyle choice!! You are choosing to be gay, knowing it is wrong, both in God’s eye and naturally. But gays have rejected both, to covet their sin and lust for sex. Homosexuality is nothing but about SEX!
Report Post »the_system_disconnect
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:18amI believe that while I am attracted to the female breast, it is a learned fetish like any other sexual preference. Sexual preference is learned through experiences. Like guys who like boobs or butts or dudes…
The important part is what do you do with those preferences/desires, and even as a married guy, there are attractions and temptations that we are not to act upon.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:28amUnless you are gay no one can speculate on what the individual feels! I am sure that it has to be overwhelming, but would anyone here not talk to someone because they were gay? I believe that being gay has to do with a gene or alteration in code that triggers the brain to find the opposite sex attractive! Nothing more, nothing less! Move on!
Report Post »JesusFreak95
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:32amIt’s a shame his father reacted this way. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
As far as Gay being a choice, I say it’s as much a choice as a heterosexual person engaging in adultery or premarital sex. We all have natural inclinations. They are not all healthy. All of us have a sinful nature in side of us. None the less, we choose to live as civilized human beings, not animals. Diseases like MS, Cancer, etc. are all “natural”, but we do not champion their existence, we work to find a cure and to minimize the symptoms.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:34am“So begins a letter, posted on the website Reddit, that has since come to form a viral symbol of anti-gay bigotry. ”
There is no such thing as “anti-gay”bigotry. Being repulsed by homosexuals is perfectly normal and is a trait inculcated in each of us at birth by nature as a safe-guard to perpetuate the species.
What is NOT normal or natural is to force oneself to overide this important safe-guard by allowing himself to be tricked into believing such a natural instinct is hate. It is no more hateful than the instinct for survival is hateful.
The programming process to accept homosexuals by calling opposition to accepting their lifestyles as hate is the same procedure that could be used to demonize those who object to mainstreaming beastiality.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:35amI wonder if homosexuals know….or care…that any agreement the vast majority of the masses give to their desire to marry and enter the mainstream is strictly lip service in order to go along to get along.
The greatest problem they have to overcome is nature itself, as is the case regarding most liberal tenets. Opposition is natural and therefore inborn in every creature so homsexual activists have to keep up a constant continuation of mind-control in order to force the withdrawal of opposition to them and their disgusting addiction with each generation of newborns.
It is an unsustainable situation that is doomed to fail miserably.
Report Post »RealtorLouise
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:38amWhile the father’s letter made me sad, the comments section of many here makes me sick. My daughter is gay. If anyone thinks it’s a choice, I recommend they try making the other “choice.” Can’t imagine it, can you? She can’t either. By the way, I didn’t see a lot of “love the sinner” type love in the father’s letter–nor a lot of Christian “love the sinner” type love in many of the comments. I would recommend to the father that he begin reading at Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.” There is a very powerful message in his verse that all of us should practice.
Report Post »Falconer
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:44am@Truthishealthy…..if being gay is not a choice I suppose being an adulterer and fornicator is not a choice as well. Hey all men are born to have an incredible sex drive when they mature, so I guess even though I‘ve been married for 24 years if I see a hot girl that is younger and willing to have sex it’s not my fault if I cheat on my wife. Hey, I was born that way!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:45amChalkdust
“I don’t remember choosing, I just am heterosexual”
Hmmm, do you remember not choosing to be a rapist, not choosing to have sex with animals, not choosing to molest kids, not choosing to smoke crack, not choosing to be a thief?
That argument does not hold water. All of the above are choices, and more so are a series of bad choices. Homosexuality, just like child molestation, bestiality, rape, adultery…. are sexual perversions.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:46amThis will come as a shocker to the xenophobes here but being gay is both a choice and not a choice at the same time, no amount of silly qualifiers like “God says so…“ or ”The Bible reads…” will fix the fact you dislike these people because of how they love.
The fact is some people choose to be gay, others do not. I know many young ladies who have chosen to be gay because that’s who was available to them and who loved them and I know others who grew up feeling that way. Many of you on this site find no middle ground, ever.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:50amplainolamerican
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:38am
“It is an interesting concept because actually all of the Gay people I know have had some kind of emotional upheavel in their past.”
I’ve noted exactly the same thing.
And another trait that seems to be common is emotional immaturity.
But the debate I think misses a very important point altogether. Homosexuals use body parts that are NOT MEANT for sexual activity and are carefully designed by nature for the elimination of bodily waste, not sex.
And the use of such body parts has resulted in the explosion of diseases that are picked up and spread by the colon, which transfers parasites and other serious maladies much, much easier than any other way, including airborne transference.
It has resulted in a near epidemic of aids within the general populatuion. Too, 85% of syphillis cases in the US are within the homosexual community, along with others that are common among them, making them dangers and potential dangers to the public at large.
Report Post »Falconer
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:51am@REALTORLOUISE…you are taking Matthew 7:1 out of context. Those verses are talking about people who judge others for the very same thing they are doing. Scroll down a few verses.
Report Post »16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
rangerp
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:52amCan you blame this man? Who in their right mind wants a child to join this degenerate 2.5%
They have 64% of the nations syphilis
They made up 70% of new HIV cases last year
They commit a third of the nation’s child molestations (Jerry Sandusky ring a bell?)
They have the highest suicide rates
They have much higher drug and alcohol abuse rates
Lesbians have much higher STD and more likely to get breast cancer
Homosexuality is not a choice; it is a series of choices, generally coming from an environment where there is a lack of a father, or a domineering mother, and other negative influencers. The fastest growing “gay” segment of our population (and the most likely to get HIV) is young African American males. Their introduction to homosexuality is coming from behind bars.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:59amGustag,
This is a gay arguement that was lost long ago, Find something new. But since you can’t….
It is in the Books of Moses, If you don‘t know what those are and can’t find them you shouldn’t have commented like you know what you were talking about. But the FACT you DID comment like you know what your talking about is made a lie because you DIDN’T KNOW that the bible is very specific on the subject. Genesis 19
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:02amGustag:
Report Post »Leviticus 18:22
OuttheSocialist
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:03amI agree, Homosexuality is a choice. People are not born gay, they choose to be gay. Every man and woman has desires, and it is the responsibility of every individual to make the right choice. A man who is married to one woman but loves another has a responsibility to his wife not to pursue a relationship with the other.
Report Post »Their are individuals in this world who desire sex with children and no sane individual in this world would accept that. We see teachers every year lose their careers and freedoms for making that choice.
God has given every man the ability to make choices because He did not lock us into a nature like He did the rest of the animal kingdom. Choosing to follow the desires of homosexuality is a sin against the Creator as well as a sin against humanity. Homosexuality produces nothing but pleasure for the individual engaged in the sin, just as an individual smoking a cigarette.
Homosexuality, like any other pleasure outside of God’s plan, is harmful to the individuals involved as well as to those around them. Throughout the history of man we have seen the behavior appear and then disappear, usually with the destruction of the society in which it appeared (i.e. the Roman Empire and Sodom and Gomorrah). Once this sin is fully embraced by the world, then the sin of the world will be complete and its destruction will come just as every culture that ever embraced it.
Bot
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:04amMarriage reflects the natural moral and social law evidenced the world over. As the late British social anthropologist Joseph Daniel Unwin noted in his study of world civilizations, any society that devalued the nuclear family soon lost what he called “expansive energy,” which might best be summarized as society’s will to make things better for the next generation. In fact, no society that has loosened sexual morality outside of man-woman marriage has survived.
Analyzing studies of cultures spanning several thousands of years on several continents, Chairman of Harvard University’s sociology department, Pitirim Sorokin. found that virtually all political revolutions that brought about societal collapse were preceded by a sexual revolution in which marriage and family were devalued by the culture’s acceptance of homosexuality.
When marriage loses its unique status, women and children most frequently are the direct victims. Giving same-sex relationships or out-of-wedlock heterosexual couples the same special status and benefits as the marital bond would not be the expansion of a right but the destruction of a principle. .
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:06amGustag
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[1](Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[2](Leviticus 20:13 KJV)
(26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:07am@ satostud
“Homosexual is a CHOICE. Our lives are a culmination of our CHOICES. Period.”
Really? So,when did you choose to be hetero? Nor is life a culmination of OUR (individual) choices… Does a child choose that their father refuses to find work or go back to school to learn new skill sets? Does an infant choose to be born to a drug addicted mother?
Unless you mean OUR (as in all of us together) lives are a culmination of OUR (as in all of us together) choices. However, this would contradict your first statement.
I am attracted to women, I do not know why. I just am. I also am more attracted to blondes as opposed to brunettes. Was that a choice, or was it a culmination of my experiences? There is a difference. Psychologically, we are a combination of our experiences (those we personally choose and based on the choices of those around us which impact us). Some experiences we control, many we can not.
However, why would someone CHOOSE a lifestyle only to be hated and oppressed by friends/peers (mostly in High School) and Family? Why? And that is not to say thatt all families and friends hate those that happen to be gay and lesbian.
You can claim G_d or the nature of things make it perverse, but I ask are we to judge these things?
I personally will pray for the father, that he may find wisdom and love for his son despite his son’s preferences. I will also pray for the son. That he may find love and understanding through this tough time.
Report Post »ERP
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:13amrangerp
“Homosexuality is not a choice; it is a series of choices, generally coming from an environment where there is a lack of a father, or a domineering mother, and other negative influencers.”
This is why I do no support the adoption of children by Homosexual “couples”.
One Mom, One Dad.
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:18amI‘m going to throw out something that hasn’t been mentioned yet, and rarely is. I don’t believe that people are naturally born Gay (everything in the universe from Protons and Neutrons, to the Sun and the Moon needs an opposite to be relevant), but I believe that you can be born gay.
For example, Government, and doctors push certain diets saying if you want to be healthy you NEED to eat like this. Most of the things we NEED to eat lack the chemicals that produce testosterone, and other chemicals that make males, males.
Why would this benefit government or Doctors….well the money from the government benefits the doctors, and being Gay benefits the government in a few ways that i can think of. Population control, and a less manly society lessens the chance of resistance, making it easier to put society in it’s place.
This does not mean that your local doctor is part of this scam, but he does get his information from peer groups and studies, that he/she takes at face value because they trust that these groups and studies. Your doctor did not do the studies for himself to make sure….kinda like when congress doesn’t read the bills, and trust the people who threw them together to tell them what is in it.
And on top of that man has been feminized by the media for a long time now….
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:21amLooks like Ranger Dan and the Bigotry Brigade are out in force. Rejecting science, they spew lies so that their beliefs in a collection of Bronze Age myths doesn’t seem as hateful as it actually is.
82AirBorne post shows why Christians are poor examples of parents. He stated he my abandon his child if his child is born different from him, if his child doesn’t live up to the ideal set out in ancient goat herder myths.
There is little difference from the Christians here and Westboro.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Ganhdi
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:23amERP
If there is any one thing this nation has done in recent years that make me think we may have gone over an edge towards destruction, and can never return, it is the wicked practice of allowing homosexuals to adopt.
Vermont was one of the first states to go this route. Do a check and see statistically how it is going in Vermont. Stats show that males getting adopted into gay male situations, are getting abused and molested at an alarming rate. It is sickening how the MSM keeps this hush hush, to protect the evil, and continue letting innocent boys get abused.
Report Post »Faith in God
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:25amThat takes courage to go against the grain and present the truth. Sexual preference is a choice…and if they make the wrong choice, they listened to the lie’s by the devil and are living in sin. Only one person can heal your cousin, and that is Jesus. God can heal the wounds.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:29am@Chalkdust
Report Post »That is an important and substantial challenge.
Here‘s where I think you’re wrong.
First off, as others have stated, there’s a huge question about what you DO with impulses you have (whether they’re intrinsic to your nature, or conditioned by your experiences, I’ll discuss later), so that ultimately behavior is 100% choice-based.
But even before you get there, you’ve implied that when we say homosexuality is a choice, that it comes down to a single instance of choosing one option over another. The truth is that we REALLY mean “being” straight OR otherwise is a SERIES of choices we make. Many of those choices come in WAY under the radar of our conscious memory, like how to walk, how to talk, what clothes to wear, and other minute style choices that form part of the associations with gay or straight “identity”.
Others are also subtle choices, like who to laugh with, who to befriend and in what way, and these choices too can have vast bearing on what our options become later in the process.
Understood that way, even heteros most certainly DO choose to be hetero and not something else. Of COURSE they can’t point to a day when the choice just “happened”, but that‘s because you’ve asked the question in a way that distorted the reality of the SERIES of choices made.
Don’t fall for the hype, it is ALL about choice.
jzs
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:31amMy observation is that gay people say they were born that way, and straight people – at least this crowd – say it’s a choice.
Honestly is strikes me as odd that so many of you people say you could be gay, do gay things, only you’ve chosen to be straight instead. You had the choice and could have gone either way, but you chose to be straight. You can imagine having a same-sex partner I guess, but you thought about it and made a choice not to.
That would mean everybody here is bisexual, although they’ve chosen to lead heterosexual lifestyles instead. Was the Bible the main reason you chose not to be gay, or was it something else, like fear of your parents or something?
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:33amFor those that say “love the sinner”, you are correct in thought, however, you imply that the person that continues to abide in sin should have contact with the one that refutes the sin. You are wrong. See St. Matthew Chapter 18 verse 15 through 17 and chapter 18 verse 21. Under stand that a person must ask for forgiveness and repent (turn from the path THEY have taken). Yes, you must pray for them, but forgiveness requires repentance. For those that would say otherwise should look at the requirements in becoming a Christian.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:35amTRUTH
Homosexuality is most certainly a choice and the bible speaks of it as clear sin. In fact Jude 6-7 show homosexuals will go the the lake of fire
I did a video on this subject but I don’t know if theblaze will allow it so I will try and link to it below
http://youtu.be/5a_c7KAHl20
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:37amOh I forgot to finish….So a baby in the womb of a mother that follows these diets are going to come out lacking a lot of manliness….couple that with the environment of society they are born into they are very likely to turn out that way…
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:39amBeing black isn’t a choice, being molested as a child isn’t a choice, choosing to be gay is, well a choice.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:00amTIH,WROTE.Being gay is not a choice. We can blame it on anything negative in the past. However, truth is truth and gay is not a choice
Report Post »Being gay is totally a choice just because you have an attration to something doesn’t mean you act upon it. I‘m married and find other women atractive however I’m promised one to be hers and hers alone so I don’t follow my every want or attraction. Now some peopel choices are limited due to different aspects about them and might make being gay as a viable option but they still have to chose it.
txannie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:07amBeing gay may not be a choice, I don’t know, I’m not gay, but one thing everyone knows is that EVERY action taken in life is a choice. Whether you act upon an urge is certainly a choice and there have been many that make a choice to deny an urge to lead a different life (smoking, drugs, unsafe sex,etc). Once you know the reaction from an action, the choice is yours to take. Be prepared to live with the consequences of your choices.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:09am“ its contents may shock you regardless of your stance on gay marriage”
I was expecting to be shocked , it never happened. I’ve known fathers(parents) to banish their children for less.
Report Post »fulcrum
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:12amGay is not a choice???
Report Post »I adamantly disagree with you!!
I used to coach competitive girls sports and switching sexual preference is common in this day and age.
Some gay girls would persuade other girls to join into the life style and later would return to normal and get married.
I will concede that there are some who are born gay of no choice of their own, but in our current society there is recruiting going on to join the LGBT cause and life style.
They know who to target and how to appeal to them.
zorro
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:23amI don’t want to speak for anyone but I think that when people say homosexuality is a “choice” they don‘t mean to say it’s a choice to be attracted to the same sex. It’s a “choice” to live that lifestyle.
Report Post »Oldbutnotsenile
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:28amI honestly feel not all gay people were born that way. Some have genetic problems, but not all. It is a lifestyle that a lot of young people want to try out, just like they try other alternative lifestyles, get hooked and there you have it. I have seen this happen both ways. They always want to blame it on something, so try blaming it on experimentation………
Report Post »seljo1701a
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:30amI see miscommunication between the two “sides” in this debate. Specifically, in the concept of whether or not being homosexual is a “choice” or if homosexuals are “born that way” or “did not choose to be this way.”
1) When people say “it is a choice” they mean the physical act, not the emotions/feelings/attraction.
I have personal experience in my family, and friends with this subject. In every case I am familiar with, a homosexual does not make a conscious decision to be attracted to the same sex. This is not mutually exclusive of the conscious choice to pursue and/or act upon them. Pursuit and engaging in any activity is a choice.
That said, the fact remains that is not, at least from what I have experience with and read about, a choice to have the feelings. It appears to be strongly linked to environmental factors, such as parent-child relationships (or lack thereof). This kind of linkage is well accepted in many other scenarios, (spousal abuse is not considered hereditary, but a learned predisposition).
The Bible does, in fact, address primarily actions, not desires/feelings/thoughts, when talking about this subject. Several posts have already quoted the verses, so I won’t again.
The only place I know of where thoughts are condemned is Matt 5:28
28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Though, here the key word is *intent*, as in “premedit
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:31amYet, how will disowning your child serve the purpose of God? It is far better to not disown your child, but to tell them the things that will befall them (out of love), you bring them into your heart to tell them the things that will befall them – so they see the power of the Father. Thus they know the difference between the mother and the father.
Report Post »termyt
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:32amSo the only options are conscious choice (like making diner reservations) or pure genetics (I got the bald gene, but Larry got the gay one)? Poppycock.
My lifestyle is a combination of innumerable decisions and occurrences in my life. My culture, what I was taught, what got me the nurturing or attention I craved, what was done to me that I had no control over and how I attempted to gain control over such things. And all of that can change in a heartbeat if I felt the need to change it strongly enough. (That’s called an epiphany.)
Bottom line is, at the end of the day, I alone am responsible for being who I am. If I like who I am, why on earth would I demand others agree that my choices are OK? If I don’t like who I am, then it is pitiful that I would try to blame that on anyone or anything else and demand that they change make me feel better about it instead of changing myself.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:46amWith some homosexuals, their lifestyle is not a choice but with other, it is choice. It all goes back to the garden of eden with the sons of God and the daughters of men. The genetic pool got tainted and possibly, one of Noah’s sons, possibly Cain’s wife, had nephlim genetics. That is why there is cancer and birth abnormalities and other unusual human traits that God did not intend for us. Also, there are many children born that do not have fathers that are Christ’s and Christ is not their Head. That leaves babies open to spiritual possession and oppression. That is why satan loves all the illegetimate births.
Report Post »CanIjustSay
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:47amI remember choosing to be **** or not. It’s always my choice.
Report Post »drgermain
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:52amgay LIFESTYLE is a choice, you can be genetically predisposed to all kinds of behaviour, what you do is your choice
Report Post »westy98530
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:52amThis discussion is lacking perspective. There’s a clear distinction between BEING homosexual and DOING homosexual acts. One is unavoidable, the other clearly is. This is an important distinction to understand. When people say “being gay is something you are born with”, they are referring to BEING homosexual. It seems that most of the folks that insist “it’s a choice” are talking about DOING homosexual acts. The two sides are arguing different ideas but using the same language, and getting nowhere.
Report Post »Homosexuality is a mental disorder. It was recognized as such by the psychiatric community until it was removed from the DSM (the diagnostic manual for mental disorders) in 1973 for socio-political reasons. It has causes that are clearly beyond an individual’s control. However, none of this means a person has to act out on this disorder. Self control is all that is required; and if you don’t have self control, well, that’s another problem.
The bottom line is that you’re not going to help anybody by insisting that they can stop “being” gay, or thinking that we can “cure” them all. Granted, there may be some gays that got that way as a result of trauma that might be curable, but that would be the exception rather than the rule. The best way is to help these people to OVERCOME their homosexuality. Live with it, without acting on it, much the same way as an alcoholic does.
“with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may endure
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:55amI have to disagree with those who thinks this was a good thing. 1 Co 5 was written to people who were claiming to be believers. We are called to seperate then. However, if this young man does not claim to be a believer then I think the father should remain in his life. He may not be in it like he otherwise would have been, but I do not believe there is a biblical principle that would call upon him to seperate from an unbelieving son. In my mind this would be no different then if he had a heterosexual son that lived a promiscuous lifestyle. Jesus did not seperate from the prostitutes and thieves. Now if this young man claims to be a believer then the father is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. Using 1 Co 5 to justify this action is incorrect as that is writing to the church about people in the church who claim to be believers. We are to judge those in the church and leave those outside the church in God’s hands. This is a very clear teaching in the Word. thank you…
@ TRUTH…there is no evidence in any way that being gay is genetically determined. In fact, when monozygotic twins are studied the exact opposite conclusion is supported. So while you may feel it is not a choice there is absolutely No evidence upon which to draw that conlusion logically….Thank you..
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:02pmI won’t suggest whether homosexuality is a choice or not. I knew a young girl that seemed to prefer men, but she claimed she was bi. It certainly appeared to be a choice for her. Maybe sometimes it’s a choice and sometimes not. That seems more likely than it’s all one way or the other. I would never disown my children though unless they had committed some unforgivable crime.
Report Post »No one taught me anything about sex as a child. I know I seemed to have an attraction to the opposite sex at an earlier age than my peers. The other kids were still going “ewwww,” when I had my first crush. I also seemed naturally disgusted by the thought of homosexuality. No one taught me homosexuality existed too, but when I first heard about it, then it was my turn to go “ewwww.” So, I suppose it’s probably natural for some, but a choice for others. Either way, I don’t care; it has nothing to do with me as long as they don’t bother me, I won’t bother them.
I’m still going to support Chik-Fil-A. I never went before all the ruckus, but their food is good and their shakes are the best. The food’s MUCH better than McDonalds.
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:07pm@ REALTOR…The verse you listed is not a pronouncement against judging it is a teaching against hypocrisy.. If you read the whole context of what Jesus taught there it is very obvious. Otherwise how are we to take the speck out of our brothers eye after we have taken the log out of our eye first without judgement? In that very same scripture Jesus said do not give to dogs what is sacred or throw your pearls before swine. How am I supposed to obey that command without judging someone? You tell me. That is one of the most misused verses in all the bible. We are to judge using God’s word as our authority on moral issues, yet we are to love sinners by confronting them in their sin as God has commneded us to teach all to repent and obey God. That is the most loving thing anyone can do. The point of Jesus teaching was against hypocrisy, not agianst making right judgments about the moral behavior of others. Should we maintain humility in our judgements understanding that we are sinners saved by grace as well, absolutely! However, your assertion castrates the Christian form being able to stand against anyones evil behavior at all, even you cannot believe that to be what Jesus taught. Should molesters be judged, how aboout murders? So I completely disagree with your assertion as it is not scriptural in anyway. Not trying to be argumentative but we must be careful how we apply the teachings of Christ….Thank you…
Report Post »mlite9
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:11pmOh joy, another ‘gay’ story on TheBlaze to ignite passions and invite people to show how tolerant, correct, morally superior and surprisingly lukewarm they are.
The world would be a much nicer place if people would just get rid of the “It‘s because I’m_________” excuses.
Yeah right, like that’s gonna happen.
The same Jesus who calls us to “love one another” is the same Jesus who said “I will spew you out of my mouth.”
Like Brother Dave Gardner said, “Them‘s hard sayin’s, friends…”
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:27pm@SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Remember that Jesus was abiding with them for the purpose of getting them to follow the will of G-d. He also said in the Great Commission that if a person or city will not receive the word of G-d then you should shake of the dust and leave. Jesus also said that you should not through pearls before the swine (meaning to keep trying to convert someone that will not listen). As a Christian, we should be Christ like in all things. Christ did not come to Earth to bring peace.
Report Post »izukiddin
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:42pm@ truthishealthy, if homosexuals don’t have free will and being a homosexual is a part of the genetic profile, why hasn’t the DNA trigger been found?
Report Post »LuvsYeshua
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:42pmBeing gay is just as much of a choice as the choice this father is making to ‘disown’ his son. Where I think this man is wrong is that he did not end his letter with a chance for forgiveness. The Bible does spell out how we are to deal with these situations which is individually warn him; if he doesn’t listen, two or three other church elders and the father should warn him; and if he still doesn’t listen, he is to be given a final warning as he’s being kicked out and ignored. There should ALWAYS be an opportunity for forgiveness, however, so the father can forgive you.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:42pmENCIDIOT/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO/HORSEDIDDLER….
Report Post »You use the mocking sobriquet “Ranger Dan” when you’re posting as MONICNE to denigrate poster RANGER P.
Did you forget which personality you were using when you posted it as ENCIDIOT? Apparently your creepy mask slipped again. Please at least try to stay in character for each of your online personalities here.
tmarends
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:48pm@Falconer
How about Romans 2? Is that out of context too? A lot of people use Romans 1 to condemn homosexuality, but Romans 2 starts with a rebuke of those who judge the people Paul was talking about in Romans 1 — saying they are guilty of the same thing!!
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:48pm@ 2GOD… I completely agree with much of what you stated. However, This seems to be the very first reaction of the father as we can gather from the details. I did say that if the son does not claim to be a believer he should remian in his life to some degree. I also stated that it would not be the same interaction. However, the action of seperating from someone in sin was an act of discipline among believers not necessarily of believers from nonbelievers. Also, your refernce to cities and shaking the dust off was a direct command to the disciples who were taking the gospel to different towns it is improper exegesis to apply this to individual relationships. While the “don’t throw your pearls before swine” could apply in this instance it wouold really depend on the sons actions toward the gospel (something we have no knowledge of to this point). Does he blashpeme, is he very unrecpetive with bitterness and vitriol? It does NOT refer to someone who is indifferent or recpetive to listen and yet continues to live in sin necessarily. There is a distinction here that needs to be evaluated on an individual case by case situation. Would you seperate form a drug addicted child immediately? I think not. There may come a time in the relationship, where in if they continued to refuse to listen and change that you might have to seperate, but that is NOT an initial response. Remeber it is not the healthy that need aphysician, but the sick. Thank you….
Report Post »sweathog1948
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:50pmI agree that being gay is about choice not being born gay. I feel so sorry for this father and his son they ar both missing out in one another lives. Four years ago our daughter told us she was gay. A year later she and her girl friend moved to Colorado. I have only seen her once in the last 3 years.
Report Post »We are christians and needless to say Natalie was a christian. Since she became gay she has turned her back on the Lord. Natalie turning her back on the Lord hurts more than she becoming gay. I pray for her because that is where the battle is won. My Natalie is a wonderful person I pray for the day that she will return to the Lord.
Locked
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:52pmSo many people here are commenting on whether gay is a choice or not; and there’s no consensus (obviously). I highly doubt you’re going to convince anyone of your view one way or the other.
What amazes me is how many people completely ignore this father’s CHOICE to disown and abandon his own son. You‘re so busy arguing whether or not the son is wrong that you don’t even want to mention the obviously anti-Christian elephant in the room: that a father chose to disown his child.
Imagine God doing that to you. Would you make the same, obviously anti-Christian choice with your own kin? Do you condone, heck, even APPLAUD this man’s choice? Maybe you should start owning up to the evil in yourself rather than judging the perceived evil in others. Matthew 7:3-5.
Report Post »JohnGalt
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:56pmAlthough some may consider what the father did was harsh but it was his choice to make, it was not attack on being gay. The father did not use profanity or derogatory terms.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:00pmWALKABOUT….there’s no genetic pointer to homosexuality. If there was, the homosexual lobby would be crowing about it on every forum they can infest.
Furthermore, Dr Charles Socarides stated clearly that in the 1970‘s homosexuality was removed from the APA’s (American Psychiatric Assoc) list of mental disorders not because of clinical research demanding it..but because social lobby groups demanded it.
Am I saying homosexuality is “curable”? Not necessarily. I‘m saying that somewhere in a person’s development (either early or later on) they become convinced that they are homosexual and are drawn to the same sex. NO genetic factor is responsible for this. NO physiological factor points to this. One cannot examine an unborn child or a newborn and state that the child will be a homosexual. There are no genetic indicators.
Having said that. Whenever a “letter” makes it onto the internet I‘m always dubious about it’s source and intentions. Certainly this scenario is not uncommon for a parent to disown a child when they find out the child is a homosexual. I’m not condoning it. A parent should love their child no matter what. But that parent shouldn‘t have to indulge their child’s fantasies of normalcy if they truly feel that lifestyle is distasteful and wrong. It‘s a tough choice but sometimes it’s the right choice.
Report Post »When homosexuals comprise 61% of new cases of HIV in this country each year while they make up under 2% of the population, p
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:01pm@ 2GOD…also the pearls before swine reference was a command to not continually set before those who would treat the gospel with contempt the gospel message, it says nothing of seperating from those individuals per se. Thank you…
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:09pm@ LOCKED…while I agree with most of your statement, I would like to clarify that a self-described homosexual is not a perceived evil it is a realized evil….I have no problem with trying to confront the son with his immoral lifestyle, I do not believe there is a biblical principle for seperation at this point, unless the son claims to be a Chrsitian. Then to be obedient the father would have to seperate from the son until he either repented or recanted his faith. If, however, the son makes no such claim then the father should minister to his son, albeit in a somewhat altered relational manner due to the sons choices. Thank you.
Report Post »DiscerningOne
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:10pmBeing Gay is Either a) a Choice, or b) a condition from birth
If it is a Choice, then it can be corrected… if it is a birth condition, then, under laws of evolution, it is a birth defect (heritance NOT supporting promulgation of the genes).
As far as the “value” judgement of the choice or defect… I tend towards libertarianism… “whatever, but don’t force it on anyone else, in any way whatsoever”…
Personally, I’m inclined towards birth defect/inherited, but that’s just my direct experience with people involved.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:12pmTo all those whom like to quite scripture to support anti-gay rhetoric. Last I read, Jesus accepted whores, thieves, tax collectors and the sick.
In fact, Jesus is well known stating, “Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.”
Simply because the old covenant did not support homosexuality (at least in regards to male relations – just read Leviticus), does not mean you ostracize and make outcasts of people from society. We are allowed to not accept their lifestyles as our own, but we should meet all people with the same love we would expect from them. It is quite clearly labeled that Christianity is about tolerance.
I understand laws with regards to murder and theft. Do we really need to make homosexuality a crime our stand in opposition of people making choices? Though I feel homosexuality is not a choice. If we outlaw Gay Unions based on your philosophy, should we not also limit guns or knives to prevent murder?
Many of you seem to support government dominion when it suits your purpose, which is dangerous. Not all religions feel the same about homosexuality either. Should the whole nation bend to the majority? This is a double edge sword my friends. What happens when we are mostly Hispanic? Muslim? Atheist? On the Government payout? Does a group or majority determine this or the individual?
Please ask yourself this. I support less government. Less intrusion. More Freedom. Even if I don’t agree with it.
Report Post »libertybellesd
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:16pmThere are many clinics who successfully help people restore their original sexual identity, for those who do not want same-sex attraction. One is NARTH, National Association of Rehabilitative Therapy/Treatment for Homosexuality. http://www.narth.com
Report Post »The homosexuals are well-aware of this clinic’s success rate, so of course, they’re trying to run them out of business. Here in CA, the State Assembly is trying to pass a law making it illegal for therapists to treat a homosexual to help them get rid of same-sex attraction – but here‘s what’s so egregious about this bill – it only applies to people under age 18.
The number of rights violated in the law is shocking. Dems run CA, and they‘re trying to for more govt control over people’s lives.
Instead of trying to force the world to accept their sexual orientation as normal,they should expend the same energy and time bringing their perpetrators to justice.
Yes, Narth agrees, many people with gender confusion were victims of early childhood sexual abuse.
Without family values,and valuing the life of a child as precious, many predators selfishly consider only their own unnatural need – to ruin a child.
There is a way out of this horror. Please get help because it’s there.
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:17pmIt is okay if you are not gay, lesbian, or any persuasion. Just never lose love for a person who is. You may like gambling, drinking, eating pork and other things which are against your religion too. However, we can not demand that others live by these conditions.
It is a personal morale code. As one simple question… Who is the victim? Who determines punishment? Who passes judgement?
Please know I state this with no malice, only to help you understand that I speak with full intent of love. Love for you and your opposition. People need to make their own mistakes. So long as they do not hurt someone else, should I stand in the way?
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:26pmRegarding the “science” behind being gay….
Genetic predispostion to acting, looking, behaving like the opposite sex can be proven. There are some men that produce much more estrogen and progesteron then they should and some women that produce much more testosterone then they should. This gives way to the stereotypical “butch” woman and “efeminent” male. But this hormonal imbalance, natural or not, does not mean you want to have sex with someone of your gender and even looking at a member of your gender and think they are attractive or being aroused by their appearance does not mean you have to act on that.
There are also many studies that have concluded that the vast majority of homosexuals all over the world ADMIT to some form of molestation or trauma in their youth, especially with males. Now some of them say the “first time” was conscentual but that doesn’t change the fact that their first homosexual sex act was with an adult while they were still a minor, a criminal act. Pedophiles groom their victims to think the act is okay and their choice because of “love”.
There are also many studies that attest to the fact that abused children wind up abusing as well. There is a transference which breeds a cycle of violence and abuse and addiction.
Now this is not saying that all homosexuals are pedophiles but it does prove that there is a HUGE psychological component to homosexuality and the belief that it is okay.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:34pmHaving a lack of interest in girls may not be a choice but seeking other men for arousal and cavorting with them IS a choice. The boy got it straight from his father. What more can he expect. His father is right. The boy made his choice and now he will have to live with it.
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:35pmWay to show your inner liberal Blaze. Hey Beck fans? Don’t you just love the liberal stories that are printed on this supposed “conserviative” news site.
First off: who cares? This is not news! This is a sob story. Written to soften our disdane for gays and the gay lobby.
Step right up Beck fans and get your progressive dose by reading this plight of the gay man sob story.
Boo-F-ing-Hoo
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:35pm@Sleazy
“ Then to be obedient the father would have to seperate from the son until he either repented or recanted his faith”
I understand how you could read this in the Bible, but I disagree. Jesus Himself did not tell us to turn from sinners and cast out those who sin, but to forgive. Sure, he specifically said to forgive your brother, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.” Jesus always calls on us to forgive others for their sins; your advocacy of casting out a family member for their sin is strictly non-Christian.
If I misinterpreted your view (presumably of Matthew 10:34-37), I am sorry. I believe when Jesus said he came to turn family members against one another, he meant because they should recognize their sins and forgive one another, not say “Never talk to me again, you sinner.”
But again, I can see how you would interpret it the way you did. I happen to disagree.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:39pmJOHNNYMIDNIGHT…the book of acts in the new testament is also explicit about the sin of homosexuality. It is a sin both to Christians and Jews. Please try to be consistent.
Report Post »Furthermore…if homosexuality isn’t a “choice” then please direct me to the genetic indicator for it.
Thanks.
I_c_clearly
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:39pmBeing gay may or may not be a choice. But turning it into sin is a choice. My GOD hates sin it . That is What keep us from seeing the LOVE of GOD.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:43pmTruthisHealthy – Homosexuality is a choice. You fantasize long enough about the wrong thing and it eventually happens.
A God would not command man to marry a woman and procreate and then make man (or woman) homosexual. If He did, He would cease to be God!!!! Not to mention the fact that he declared homosexuality an abomination and destroyed cities because of it.
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:44pm@TRUTHISHEALTHY… If it’s not a choice how come so many have made the choice to abandon it? How come there are GUGS… gay until graduation?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:47pmJOHNNYMIDNITE…do you know why homosexuals use the acronym “LGBT”? They have subsonciously admitted that it is indeed a mental disorder. It is an umbrella term for variations of the same aberration in the human sexual psyche. Now I don’t think I need to remind you that the normal state for the human species is heterosexuality.
Report Post »But tell me this…some people grow to have a sexual interest in inanimate objects..walls, cars, rubber dollies..etc. I’m serious. They develope a love for these akin to the love between a normal man and woman. These are conditions with clinical names. Were they “born this way” as homosexuals try to tell us?
What I’m trying to tell you is that homosexuality is just another aberration of the human sexual psyche. It’s an abnormal mental state..somewhere in a person’s developement they become convinced they are drawn sexually to members of the same sex..just as in some cases..some people become convinced they’re sexually attracted to walls and cars to the point of claiming to be in love with them.
There’s nothing normal or acceptable JOHNNY about less than 2% of the population making up over 61% of new case of HIV each year in this country. Please..by all means..tell me what’s normal and acceptable and tolerable about that clear overrepresentation?
Pilgrimsarbour
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:49pmI find it difficult to conclude that there is no biological (that is, genetic) component whatsoever influencing homosexuality. All proclivities for certain sins are passed down from generation to generation, some showing up at certain times and skipping other generations. That is the nature of sin. Having said that, we are expected to fight against sin with the help and grace of God. We will not always be successful, but we are never permitted to say (when it is clearly outlined for us in the Scriptures) “This is NOT sin and I will do what I want!” We are not given permission to embrace our sin. We are told that we must “master” it and not be a slave to it. The only way, though, to combat it successfully is by the grace and power of Jesus Christ. So the answer is, I think, homosexuality is a biological proclivity AND a choice. It is also a symptom of a much bigger problem within the human race.
Report Post »SnowKalBebes
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:51pmBeck’s sheeple are such good and compassionate Christians. I’m sure the father of this boy and most of the sheeple commenting on this site were at restoring love figuring out ways to make our world a better place…
Report Post »mayihelpyou
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:51pmeverything in life is choice
Report Post »SwilkG
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:52pmIt’s most absolutely a choice, Everyone has evil thoughts and desires, Its our choice to act on them or deny them. We are not slaves to our own evil thoughts, and there is a seed of evil in every mans heart, question is will you water that seed or never let it open?
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:53pmBy the way, I would be cautious about things like this posted online. We have had a rash of fake hate-crimes lately by people who beat themselves up and destroy their own property, blaming it on religious or conservative zealots, just so they might advance their political agenda. We really can’t know whether this letter from a father is real or phoney. I’m suspicious of anything like this anymore.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:55pmVRW..there are also conditions where a person is born with an extra chromosome. Imbalances in hormones and chromosomal issues can be medically and psychologically treated and do not lead to homosexuality.
Report Post »Homosexuality is purely and simply an aberration of the human sexual psyche, it is not genetically predetermined. This is why the umbrella term LBGT is used. In using this term, the homosexual lobby has unconciously admitted that these are variations of the same psychological disorder.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:02pm@Hippo
Report Post »I respect your vast skill at exegesis, and respectfully suggest there may be a better interpretation of the “separation” doctrine. When grouped as a church, individuals who sin may bring destruction on the reputation of the whole group and not just themselves. As a protection to the congregation, there must be a mechanism whereby egregious unrepentant sinners be no longer allowed to represent the group. This should NOT mean, however, that no contact should be made, or that no effort should be made to reach out and attempt to bring the sinner back into the fold. Sinners cannot expect to retain full fellowship, of course, until they bring themselves into full compliance with the church’s rules, but cutting off all communication is NOT the Biblical pattern. Most who actively rebel, actively remove themselves from communication on their own anyway.
For this reason, although I understand this father’s impulse, and hesitate to judge because none of us knows the full context, I still very much offer a preliminary judgment that this father is allowing his own beliefs to go over his head. The separation mentioned in Scripture is NOT from family, but from the Church. Family is called upon to love unconditionally, and remain in a position to help the wayward son back–which does NOT preclude correction, or the imposition of just consequences on the part of the parent–he retains that right. True love can solve this.
itsjustmyview1
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:09pmThe FACT is everything is a choice, otherwise you are stating there are “things” we have NO choice in, there is ALWAYS a choice, except in death, and judgment. As far a being born gay, quite possible, I was “born” an alcoholic and an addict, as was my mother, her dad, and my father…but after years of destroying myself I CHOSE to change, wasn’t easy, but i did, Just because the particular sin of homosexuality is now a political hot potato we seem reluctant to say its wrong, why? God’s view is it as a sin, no bettrer or worse than any other, drunkeness, telling a lie, adultry, murder, theft etc..we are ALL guilty before God, and need forgiveness, we should not pick on, slander or harm gays in any way, BUT like any of the above, we cant call it “ok” or “right” …that is where we fall off the cliff. “woe unto them that call evil good and good evil”. That doesnt not mean we ALL dont sin (repeatedly in fact) and get forgiveness, but that we must be willing to identify it as such, and the giant leap we make in God’s eyes when we dont. As far as the “Dad” in this story, the son made a choice, the dad made a choice, both will answer to God…end of story
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:12pm@ AvengerK
LMAO
I am consistent. It is you who likes to pick and choose my friend. There are tons of research to prove it is not a conscious choice, but any attempt of me to publish these will only result in your denouncing of it’s credibility.
So, why even try? The truth is for you to find and determine. Do your own research. Don’t expect me to cater to your laziness and lack to want to think outside your narrow-minded view. I am only pointing out your hypocrisy for what it is. I still love you as a person though.
Last I checked there is more than Jews and Christians in this world my friend. So regardless of the new and old testaments, what proves either as definitive source? What G_d wrote them? What proof outside of a book written by King James, based off of Roman translations of Greek Translations of Hebrew text do you have?
It is a choice to believe your Bible is definitive proof. One you have a right to as well. All I say, is allow other to have theirs.
Please know I will pray for you. Just Read Matthew 23.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NIV
Have you kept to the faith you so condemn others? Have you kept every word of every covenant? Are you any less of a sinner? What happens to hypocrites?
Those who live in glass house should not throw stones.
Know your Jesus loves you and forgives you. Know that I, as your fellow brother, forgives and loves you in kind.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:17pmPILGRIMSARBOUR..you are right. Whenever these “letters” circulate the internet they must be taken with caution.
Report Post »We’ve seen a lesbian in Nebraska cut herself and set a small fire in her kitchen and claim she was attacked for being a lesbian (no suspects were ever identified or found). On the Blaze today there’s a story of a homosexual male who injured himself then proceeded to spread the story that his wounds were from being attacked for being a homosexual. Clearly..self loathing and depression are rife among homosexuals..there’s no disputing that fact..but along with that is elements among them will actually injure themselves to attempt to smear their opponents by claiming they caused the injuries. Knowning these facts, it’s certainly not out of the realms fo possibility that this “letter” is a fabrication put together to foment pity for homosexuals and to portray christitians in an unfavorable light.
jhrusky
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:18pmWow! The bigotry and downright willful ignorance on this subject of many of the posters here is outright astounding! You would disown your own child? May God have mercy on your soul.
You can’t change what “turns you on” anymore than you can change your race. Any idiot that thinks a gay person can willfully turn heterosexual needs to try and change their own sexual attractions and see how impossible it is.
Idiots.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:22pm@ HAPPY and LOCKED…Thanks my friends for your thoughtful replies I will try to address & clarify all in one response if I may. First, I do not agree with this father’s actions as indicated in my previous posts (I won’t reiterate here). Secondly, I would suggest the following verse (1 Co 5) be taken into consideration given our discussion as it is where the foundational christian doctrine of church discipline rests.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”[d]
Here we have an imperative command that is pretty black and white and indicates that if someone claims a faith in Jesus yet acts sexually immoral then they are to be expelled and with such a person you are not to eat (meaning associate). It is discipline meant to turn the patient back to the Lord. Paul talks about handing the person over to Satan that the sinful flesh may be destroyed and the spirit be saved. CON
Report Post »new nostalgia
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:25pmThat old statement of “being gay is not a choice” is rubbish. Saying it over and over does not make it a true statement
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:25pm@TruthisHealthy
LOL – Seriously, that’s funny. You’re logical points that back up your assertion are what, that you made the assertion?
Thanks for participating.
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:27pm@ HAPPY and LOCKED…This is not to be a vengeful disassociation, however, it is to be a very well defined break in the relationships between believers and someone who claims to be a brother or sister, yet is living in sexually immorality. It is for both the purity and protection of the body, hence the illustration of yeast working through the whole batch in the same context as the verse I listed, as well as the repentance of the individual. Now this does not mean there is not interaction and many conversations and or interventions to begin with, however, if the person (relative or not) refuses to listen and continhues in immorality we are to seperate oursleves from them. I would also point to the fact that there is no exclusion among relatives anywhere in scripture. In fact, Jesus would seem to indicate the opposite that we are to obey him above loving family members. Thank you for your thoughtful comments and be blessed friends…..
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:29pm@ AvengerK
Your bloviating replies have me laughing. You are trying to justify the removal of freedom of choice.
You have yet to explain why you have a right to prevent freedom of another to engage in your “aberration in the human sexual psyche”. What right? What Constitution? What doctrine outside of your faith? What right do you have to limit the freedoms of others? So gambling should be illegal? Drinking? Pork? Shellfish? We should all bend ourselves to your perverse outlook of law?
What happens when the Muslims are in the majority my friend? What then? Sharia for all? Death to Jews and Christians? Your faith is an “aberration in the human psyche” in their eyes.
Be very careful where you tread.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:29pmSpare me your platitudes JOHNNYMIDNITE. I neither want nor need your “prayers” champ.
You focused on Leviticus earlier…I told you the book of acts in the new testament also explicitly denotes homosexuality as a sin against God. Christ himself reiterated the old testament by saying that the ONLY union blessed by God is between a man and woman.
That being said..I don’t place my argument against the homosexual agenda on religion, I place it on the aberrant nature of homosexuality.
There’s nothing “normal” or to be tolerated about homosexuals making up over 61% of new cases of HIV in this country each year..while they comprise under 2% of the popultion. But by all means JOHNNYPLATITUDES…tell me what you find normal,accptable and tolerable about that number and what it says about the unnatural state of homosexuality champ. And please offer another puerile “LMAO” when you spin it. It will accent your buffoonery perfectly.
Not a “choice” You say? So where’s the genetic pointer to homosexuality? Where’s the genetic predisposition for it? There‘s a reason you won’t present one..it‘s because there isn’t one. Every homosexual I’ve asked cannot present one either..they repeat “born this way” like they’ve been conditioned to. Ok..so show me the genetic pointer to homosexuality if you’re “born this way” then.
Report Post »No the correct answer is you “become” this way because the human sexual psyche is a complex thing. It’s natural state
AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:35pmJRRUSKY….you drank the Kool Aid it seems. Liberals have made it so that homosexuals are to be coddled and adored and are beyond criticism and you’ve shown how effective that campaign truly can be.
Report Post »Why do you believe the truth about homosexuality shouldn’t be discussed? Why do you believe people should just accept homosexuality for whatever homosexuals and their advocates tell you it should be?
By all means champ..tell me what’s acceptable and normal about 61% of new cases of HIV in this country each year attributed to homosexuals who make up less than 2% of the population. Go ahead sport….put on your “I know better than you bigots” hat again and convince me why that’s acceptable to you and should not be used to illustrate the aberrant nature of homosexuality?
This should be a hoot….
TreeTrimmerJim
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:36pmJHAYDENG ~ Unless you are another person you can not know the experiences and choice of another person, no matter their sexual choices.
Our choices solve the problem we are facing. The range of acceptable choices depends on our living standards. The Supreme Court, thanks to Thomas Jefferson’s idea, has the basis for this nation’s standards etched into their walls, we call them the Ten Commandments.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:37pmBeing gay has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING that happened in one’s past, either
Report Post »One mo’ time. You can no more turn anyone gay then you can turn anyone straight.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:46pm@Hippo
Report Post »I’m familiar with 1 Cor 5, and there’s also a similar situation about freeboaters in the church in 2 Thes 3. You are wise to point out that there‘s a pretty black and white admonition to discipline egregious sinners for the protection of the church’s reputation.
May I suggest that “eat” in this context may also be referring not to association in general (as your parenthetical interpretation seems to admit requires a little interpretive effort to get at), but could be referencing the specific KIND of eating done at worship services by the early Christians in Corinth: namely the rite of Communion, Eucharist, Sacrament or whatever your term is. Under that equally valid interpretation, there is still room for loving, forgiving, and keeping a line of communication open while keeping the full force of the righteous discipline you mention in play.
AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:46pmYour posts are so littered with conflations and misdirections JOHNNY MIDNITE that addressing each point would take an eternity here.
Pork champ? Shelfish? I‘m not jewish nor do I begrudge any faith for it’s harmless observances.
Tell me what right homosexuals have been denied champ? They have EXACTLY the same rights you and I have. Furthermore…marriage is not a constitutional right anyway. So what right have I denied them? Oh yes..the right to impose their fantasies of normalcy on society without question and without dissent..as we saw with the Chick Fil A debacle.
You want to talk about ACTUAL rights that are being denied you pious, self-appreciating cretin? How about liberal city officials arbitrarily denying permits to Chick Fil A because of it‘s owner’s personal beliefs? When did throughtcrime become acceptable to you champ? Chick Fil A has absolutely no record of discrimination yet these liberal officials are punishing a company for the personal beliefs of it’s owner..a real, actual, tangible right he he has to hold those beliefs. But no..that‘s unacceptable to the homosexual lobby’s enablers…even one’s personal held beliefs are enough to target his business for reprisals..because homosexuals are to be coddled and adored.
Report Post »Get better material you idiot.
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:46pm@ AvengerK
I did not focus on anything. I listed an example. One. Much like you showing counts examples of intolerance and ignorance of other people views.
I acknowledge your view. I welcome you to live it in the confines of your life. You have yet given men proof of what dictates your ability to remove the G_d given right to Freedom of Choice inherent in all beings. To follow, not blindly. I am only reciting YOUR faith not mine.
Report Post »thegreatheed
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:52pmWhom you choose to have sexual relations with is absolutely a choice. Married older men are also attracted to younger women. The have a choice to not give in to that attraction. I have a physical tendency to be fat. It is still ‘correct’ for me to take care of my body and lose weight. Choosing to give in to that tendency isn‘t a ’human rights issue’, it’s laziness.
Report Post »winin2012
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:56pmHey Antoine, I agree with you. All of the studies that show being “gay” as anything other than a choice are funded by gay rights or academia type people. Follow the money! Also I worked in the rehab field and again, you are right. People start using drugs or alcohol, in most cases, to escape–then they get hooked. They like the high and they seek it without regard life, family or anything else. It takes time, commitment, help and a life style change to truly recover from the addiction. The same thing can be said for a homosexual experience. Many people have come out of the gay lifestyle by choice. They may still struggle at times, but so does the cocaine addict. There is recovery from homosexuality, and since there is recovery, there is a choice to exit the life choice or enter it. It is really an addiction like pornography, pedophilia, alcohol, drugs and other addictions.
Report Post »912network
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:58pmMost homosexuals were sexually assaulted by homosexual men while young children. In fact, I have yet to meet a homosexual who wasn’t sexually assaulted by a homosexual when he was young. I’m sure they exist, because people to stupid things, but I haven’t met one. The most effective form of homosexual recruiting is for a homosexual to molest a little boy.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:58pm@ AvengerK
So when will you start stoning people in the street? It says to do it in the Bible….
Just saying.
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:02pm@ HAPPY 7 LOCKED….BTW keep in mind that the Corinthian church was carnal. Paul wrote these instructions to the church on how they were to relate with one another and with the world. He gave imperative instructions regarding dealing with sin both in the church and in the world. These are not illustartive examples but imperative language, meanig commands that were expected to be followed and if we lQQk to 2 Co we can see that it had the desired effect of causing the sexually immoral man to repent and be restored to the body with grace and love. Paul also states in the context of 2 Co 2 that the other reason he wrote them the instructions about seperation was to see if they (the church) would……”9 Another reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything.” Thanks again and I hope this explains my position and that I would be doing this for the person not against them as I believe that all discipline is working for us not against us as Hebrews 12 explains. Thank you…
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:08pmJOHNNYPLATITUDES..once again your post is a miasma of puffery presented “within the confines” of your self-appreciating buffoonery.
I’m not denying homosexuals any “G-D given rights” (curious you chose the orthodox jewish version of the name God) that I don’t already have. They have EXACTLY the same rights “G-d given” or otherwise that the rest of 98% of the population has. Are you saying they have a right to impose their fantasies of normalcy on society and society must accept them or else?
Report Post »What about NAMBLA proponents’ rights? They claim the same thing the homosexual lobby claims..that their rights are being infringed upon. That their desires are normal and healthy and that the children they want to couple with love them back. What‘s different about NAMBLA’s rights champ? Of course the reality is that chidren should never be sexualized nor available to the licenses of adults who want couple with them..it’s dangerous and counter to the well being of the children and society. But as I’ve already illustrated to your myopic, platitude gushing self…homosexuals make up over 61% of new cases of HIV each year and only make up less than 2% of the population. Their compulsions are counter to the well being of the species as well. But here you are attempting to normalize homosexuals while trying to denigrate someone else for his views? Oh and spare me that you haven’t denigrated me for my views..your condescencion towards me drips from your every pos
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:09pm@ AvengerK
What right are you denying?
The right to Life Liberty, and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!
You lose bub.
We have all day… Please expand why we need to bow to your altar of reality. We must follow your doctrine and laws. Your faith. Note, the founding fathers made no law abolishing polygamy. So should that be illegal?
I notice you choose the harmless examples I posed. What of drinking? Should that be illegal? Smoking?
“I‘m not jewish nor do I begrudge any faith for it’s harmless observances.”
Who is harmed is two gay men or two lesbian have sex? Who?
Last I checked, Jesus was a Jew. Doesn’t pork and shellfish hold relevance?
LOL. Your hypocrisy is exuding out of every pore. Gay, bad! Pork eaters okay!
Being a hypocrite, 100% okay!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:10pmJOHNNYBENIGHTED…..when did Christ condone stoning? I recall that he stopped the mob from stoning Magdeline. I’m christian champ..take up rabbinic laws with a rabbi..idiot.
Report Post »redhead5211
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:13pmTurning your back on your child is wrong. It doesn’t matter if you believe being gay is a choice or not. That’s your son, and if something like being gay could make you turn away, wow, then I can’t imagine having anyone like this man as my father. The bible may not support being gay, but it also doesn’t preach this.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:15pm@ AvengerK
I support Chick-Fil-A’s founders right to free speech. You are again assuming and making an example of your ignorance. LMAO
I support freedom pal. Freedom for you to be a hypocrite, too. LOL.
I will never support you robbing others of their freedom of choice or to pursue happiness. As long as one does not lie, cheat or steal another’s life and/or property. The only limits we should have ones on rights that conflict with the rights of another.
What danger do to gay men pose to you or any one else? NONE.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:19pmReally JOHNNYBENIGHTED? “Who is harmed when two homosexual men have sex”? You really don’t know AIDS or HIV and the disproportionate number of homosexuals who make up new cases of HIV each year in this country? Really? No wonder you’re BENIGHTED.
Like I told you earlier JOHNNYBENIGHTED..your posts are so littered with conflations and misdirections that it would take an eternity to address each one indvidually. Suffice to say…with your “who is harmed when two homosexual men have sex” you’ve proven what a cretinous pustule you truly are.
Don’t pray for me champ..save your prayers for your own stunted intellect.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:26pmOh you support Chick Fil A‘s owner’s right to free speech do you champ? But here’s the rub JOHNNYBENIGHTED….his right is AN ACTUAL RIGHT IN THE CONSTITUTION whereas the “right” you‘re bleating about for homosexuals don’t exist in the constitition. Marriage is not a constiutional right. Get better material idiot. Or better yet…instead of pretending to pray for me..pray for better material.
Again..because you’re so benighted…homosexuals enjoy EXACTLY the same rigthts you and I enjoy. They are denied NO RIGHT you and I have. What they’re being denied is their changing of societal norms that civilization has had for millenia. Even Rome in all it‘s decadence and depravity didn’t condone homosexual marriage.
Game set and match clownshoes.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:32pmLOL…I have to repeat this one again JOHNNYBENIGHTED because it’s so illustrative of how myopic and conditioned you are.
You bleated earlier: “What danger do two homosexual men having sex pose to you or anyone else..None”. Let me borrow from you JOHNNYBENIGHTED..“LMAO”.
So HIV is a figment of everyone’s imagination? So a bisexual male having sex with a homosexual male (READ: HIGH RISK) begins having sex with a female and you happen to have sex with that female…and contract that disease from her…homosexual men have posed no harm to you JOHNNYBENIGHTED? Really? No…Really?
Report Post »You’re a bigger idiot than I took you for..and I took you for an idiot of royal proportions.
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:35pm@ HAPPY & LOCKED…It seems that the Blaze has struck again and did not post my first response to your inquiry and then posted the second.. Sorry for the confusion. Rather than retype everything I did I base my doctirne on the 1 Co chapter 5 read that and then reply with any questions. That will also explain the followup comment that they did post. Is anyone else frustarted with the blaze not posting things? It seems the have a frequent problem with this and I sure wish they would fix it. Thank you….
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:38pmOK now it posts the original. So sorry guys but the blaze is playing tricks. Haha I said meant to turn the patient rather than the person lol. I’m seeing patients in the office today. Sorry and thanks again.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:39pm@Avengerk
“I recall that he stopped the mob from stoning Magdeline. I’m christian champ..take up rabbinic laws with a rabbi”
Not that I can speak for him, but I‘m pretty sure the point here is that our secular laws should not cater to any faith’s tenets. Hence his point before about Islam: if Muslims gained a strong minority or majority presence in the US, does that mean that we should suddenly agree with the Sharia punishments and rights? Of course not.
The US doesn’t follow Biblical doctrine on marriage (not should it, in my opinion). It does take heavily from Christian tradition, however – but the definitions and rights provided by the country are derived from her people, not from a specific faith’s tenets. They are not immutable, do not follow in lockstep with Christianity, and can (and will) change over time. I think you’ll agree with me on that: marriage in the US is not “Christian marriage,” as anyone can get divorced and remarried; things expressly forbidden by Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
Report Post »Nocommies17
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:48pm/truthishealthy: Being gay is a choice, lib always say it’s not, but can‘t back it up why it’s not. is there a gay gene?
Report Post »januscatinhat
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:54pmI do believe your cousin’s early experiences affected his adult lifestyle. I also believe that experience as well as a form of misogyny affects the homosexual lifestyle. One of my favorite homosexual male friends had a beautiful narcissistic mother and a kind generous smart legal eagle father and spent a lot of time around his mother. Just influenced his homosexual adult decision. Wonderful guy. Sure, many others are born that way, wish to be that way to fit in with their favorite crowd, but early severe child exploitation can and does shape a future homosexual of either sex. My brother took his life, was married to a different sort of gal, but I am not sure he wasn’t a homosexual underneath the facade he presented, which was a good one if he wasn’t angry about his “different” wife (skilled at shop lifting, drug use and sales, involved in local sex rings for pay, of course, kept a “Better Homes and Gardens” house, slept around (for pay), well–no end to the “excitement and drama”…). He might still be here if he had “come out”…
Report Post »Tarantulas
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:56pmYou’re right. It is a choice. If there is a “gay gene,“ then the maternity room doctor would be able to say ”Congratulations, Mrs. Doe. You are the parent of a fine homosexual boy.” But as of today, being gay is nothing more than a self-identified statement, something the person says that he believes, unprovable by any medical test.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:58pmLOCKED/RAINMAN…instead of excercising your obsessive/compulsive disorder to be the Blaze‘s word policeman again why don’t you scroll up…find JOHNNBENIGHTED‘s post where he asks me when I’ll be stoning people and then apply it to the out of context quote you tried to pretend you were clever with. Ok champ?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:10pm@Avengerk
Actually, I was referring to when he said:
“You have yet to explain why you have a right to prevent freedom of another to engage in your “aberration in the human sexual psyche”. What right? What Constitution? What doctrine outside of your faith? What right do you have to limit the freedoms of others? So gambling should be illegal? Drinking? Pork? Shellfish? We should all bend ourselves to your perverse outlook of law?
What happens when the Muslims are in the majority my friend? What then? Sharia for all? Death to Jews and Christians? Your faith is an “aberration in the human psyche” in their eyes.”
The point being that one person (or group of people) holding a particular faith is not a sufficient excuse or reason to create laws restricting all citizens in a secular country. I… guess you missed that. Or, more likely, deliberately ignored it. Carry on with your dancing, and may God bless you :-)
Report Post »Clive
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:23pmits not a choice.
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:28pm@ AvengerK
LOL… Wow… So now you resort to name calling and degrading. LMAO.
Thank you LOCKED, you actually caught the intentions of my statements.
@ AvengerK
You can call me Liberal, as I am one. However, you are a Progressive through and through. You are not better than Obama in your push to remove the rights of the individual in all things. The progressives left only support the gay community because they are easily swayed for votes. Your attempts are only concreting that voting block.
Your mind set is what causes conservatives (which are the old Classical Liberals – like me) to lose the Hispanic and Black votes too. I support your freedom to even berate me.
I still love as a human. I am more Christian than you and I hold not the faith. I believe that man has so polluted the religious pool, that Bible nor doctrine of any faith represent the whole. I choose to live in the teachings that support tolerance. I personally do not drink. I use to, but do not now.
I think it is a poor replacement for fixing issues in one’s self. However, I support others in drinking should they want to. I am personally hetero. I believe it is against the natural reproduction of humans. However, if people find pleasure in that then fine.
And your points on AIDS is shrouded in falsehoods. AIDS is not a gay disease, it is spread faster because male carriers are the fastest spreaders of the
Report Post »13thCousinOfTheAntiChrist
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:29pmMany on the left will say sexuality is not an either/or, that instead it is a range. If this is the case, then how one acts _is_ a choice.
Report Post »Further, many in the pedophilia community could make the same argument: It is not their choice to be sexually attracted to children. If this is actually the case, then shouldn’t homosexuals be in support of pedophiles?
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:30pm@ HAPPY…Thank you for your reply. If we lQQk at the original language and the word used for eat in this context it is not referring to the Lord’s table but rather to the very common practice of the day of sharing meals together. It would be similar to what we do when we have company into our homes and share a meal with them. It is a relational reference about ot having them into our home as if there is no offense being committed. I believe this understanding not only stays true to the original intent of Paul and the greek language but also to the follow up of this man who was expelled to be accpeted back into the fellowship of believers. Why would Paul say that their love should be reaffirmed to the man that was expelled and then repented if in fact they continued to be in a relationship with him but he was simply denied the Lord’s table? That is not a very logical conclusion given the context of the situation. Also, God himself gives an illustration of this principle in the OT: “For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, like a great lion to Judah. I will tear them to pieces and go away;I will carry them off, with no one to rescue them. 15 Then I will return to my lair until they have borne their guilt and seek my face -in their misery they will earnestly seek me. ”” Hosea 5 And what of the command in Titus? Warn them once, warn them twice, then have nothing to do with them? Devisiveness is no more evil than immorality and here nothing is clealry nothing, ri
Report Post »Clive
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:36pmmaybe they can “pray the gay away” LOL.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:36pm@ AvengerK
And your points on AIDS is shrouded in falsehoods. AIDS is not a gay disease, it is spread faster because male carriers are the fastest spreaders of the disease through ***********.
Woman are the next biggest afflicted through heterosexual sex. Most time with a IV drug user, which is the next biggest contractor of the disease. Your ignorance of the science behind the disease only shows you disseminate facts that fit your narrow view of reality.
Males have a harder time contracting the disease from a female as the *********** of a female does not enter the males body. Not to mention that anal sex (hetero or ****) is often the most occurrences. Why is it not spreading through the Lesbian population? Then look to the wide spread throughout the world which shows a much different picture than your FACTS paint.
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Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:37pm@ HAPPY….I appreciate your enagement about a very important topic. Here is a fairly simple yet appropriate summary of the position I hold in the link below. To me this is the most loving thing I could do because if I act as though they are OK in what they are doing by continuing to interact normally I am in a sense tolerating that which they are doing. By seperating myself relational I am living out the seperation that sin causes spiritually between God and men and pointing to the fact if they do not repent that seperation may become eternal. Thank you…
http://www.studyyourbibleonline.com/bible-study/do-not-eat-with-such-a-one-i-corinthians-511/
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:38pmNothing wrong with burying children while they are alive.
The Jewish people do this all the time when a child marries a non-Jew Gentile. Often the Jewish will go through with a burial ceremony and morn for the required length of time. So if a child declares their homosexualism what should a parent do? The child has chosen to be dead.
Report Post »desertspeaks
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:38pmSo many of you woke up this morning and according to your own post made a conscious decision to ignore your sexual attraction to people of the same sex. Very interesting and telling!! Do you struggle through out the day with your heinous same sex attraction is it a once a day revulsion with your desires to fornicate with someone of the same sex??
Report Post »What you don’t think it works that way? That‘s precisely what you’re saying when you tell the world that homosexuality is a choice! Did you know that?? Yes dear closet ****’s when you tell the world that homosexuality is a choice, you tell the world you struggle with your own sexuality on a daily basis!!
MORONS!
blOWS
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:40pmOne can be gay and be in the grace of God. He or she is unnaturally attracted to the same sex, but chooses not to engage in that behavior and lives a genersous single life. One can be straight and be in the grace of God. He or she is attacted to the same sex, marries that person, and engages in sexual relations with that person for the purposes of procreation. Both are living a chaste life.
Now…
In both situations above, all are equal, but when the gay man engages in a homosexual act with another man, BAM, sin. The same as an unmarried woman and a unmarried man, BAM, sin. The same as a married man and a married woman (who are not married to another), BAM, sin. The same as a married man and a married woman who are using birth control, BAM, sin. All are violating the sacred union that God has created for OUR HAPPINESS and our PRO-CREATION.
Practicing homosexuals are committing an “abomination” which is equal to adultery. We need to do better in the media and on the television and in our own lives on stopping the glorification of sin.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:43pm@ AvengerK
“Are you saying they have a right to impose their fantasies of normalcy on society and society must accept them or else?”
What dictates normal? You? Society? Religion? G_d? (Oh good for you on picking up the orthodox Jew variation of G_d. I choice that format as it is a limiting denotation that does not express the truth of that which is.
But that is another issue all together. You want a cookie?)
As for the answer to your question, should society allow gays to have unions? Yes. Marriage? If a church is against it, not in that church or faith.
I mean, I have been subject to your personal attacks to my username and intelligence. I am not requesting you be censored nor am I reporting you.
You already lost. Worst, you have not realized it. Which is funnier, because you prove my point each and every response. LMAO
I will still pray for you and that G_d may shine light in your life. That you may learn to love opposed to hate. It may not happen, but on you I still shed pity.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:45pmWow…. The Blaze censors scientific terms for a release of male sperm in the proper context too.
LMAO
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:50pmYo Many here:
Does not scripture tell us that Jesus died for us while WE were still sinners.
Good he did not write a simular letter and nail it to the cross and turn around and go home !
Don’t FORGET who you once were … and still are
This father has FAILED his testing from the LORD …
The parable of the prodical son … the father waited EVERYDAY for his son to return … NEVER DID HE WALK AWAY >>>> NEVER !!!
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:52pm82, when exactly did you choose to become straight?
Report Post »busterpuddles
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:57pmTRUTHISHEALTHY- You must be very unhealthy then, because your statement is a big, steamy pile. Being gay is most certainly a choice just as it is to be addicted to drugs. The choice to be gay is made for a thousand different reasons including the simple need to be recognized as an individual.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:00pm@ AvengerK
“JOHNNYBENIGHTED…..when did Christ condone stoning? I recall that he stopped the mob from stoning Magdeline. I’m christian champ..take up rabbinic laws with a rabbi..idiot.”
And you missed my pointing out that Jesus hung out with whores, thieves and tax collectors. But reading is selective with you. Nice to know you only pay attention to the things you choose to.
According to your Bible Mary Magdeline was a whore. One full of promiscuities. Though some claim the text as false. But what are the Gnostic Gospel anyway to such a devote as you. Last I checked, she should have been subject to the stoning too. But he loves whores but not gays?
Sorry, just pointing out the flaws in your interpretation on the text. Jesus clear states we are all sinners and should act in reverence to those around us. G_d as states in extensive clarity about living with sojourners and in foreign lands. I am sure Jesus would state much as well as the F_th_r that you should respect the culture of another society while upholding his commandments and covenant.
You will not find a right for or against gays in the constitution. It was assumed that this would be a mute point. Same with polygamy. Funny you bring up NAMBLA. I guess you have some boots and a sandwich?
I oppose child molestation, as children are not responsible adults that make a well formed decision. The issue is manipulation.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:08pm@ AvengerK
And why point to just AIDS. There is a long list of STDs that are spread throughout all humans. Herpies, Chlamydia, Hepatitis, and Syphilis to name a few. But forget all those that pass heterosexually. They don’t count. Only HIV and AIDs counts because it fits your arguments when the truth of the virus is distorted.
Please try harder. I will still pray harder for you as you do some soul searching.
Report Post »LuvsJesus
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:11pmWe are to love the sinner but hate the sin. I am and alcoholic addict and just like any sin that has to be purged you go through all kinds of negitive feelings and temptations. I am also single because I feel Gods will for me is so. I love men but I cannot spend my eternity without God. I think that is mainly it, will a person give themselves up for the love of God or not? If not we all know there is consequences.
Report Post »Average_JoeMN
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:55pm“Being gay is not a choice.” – This is the excuse homosexuals have been attempting to foist on a gullible public for years. If it’s not a choice, they figure, then YOU must accept them. The fact is, this unhealthy, unclean, unnatural sexual practice is most certainly a choice. Why do you suppose they have to repress opposition so hard? Why do you suppose they have to intimidate people into silence who oppose them? Why do you suppose health and suicide statistics are so hard to come by online about homosexuals? If their “choice” were truly in-born it would have been seen as “natural” down through history, viewed as nothing more than someone being left-handed or someone with red hair. The fact is, look at other civilizations around the world and you’ll see very few homosexuals. Why is that? Because it’s taught here, propagandized here, as “natural” and in fact pushed like drug pushers on kids. In other places people know it to be wrong and unnatural and only the “freaks” of their societies do these unclean, strange acts (come on, licking a guys back end, sticking things up the wrong way of a one way street). I don’t hate “gays”, I feel sorry for them that they’ve been deluded into this choice.
Report Post »caveman74
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 6:02pmmy grandfather died of liver disease brought on by decades of alcohol abuse, my mother died of diebetes amplified by alcohol abuse, my father died of heart failure brought on by drug and alcohol abuse. I battled alcohol for 10 years. I am biologicaly compelled to abuse mind altering substances, and that biology is amplified by my own use. I have been sober for five years now, but I was born this way so I should embrace addiction right? It is how I was made right? I should celebrate that I am an addict right?…..“born that way”….give me a break. And liberals call me ignorant. Just because you have a thought process in your brain does not make it morally OK. God made no one gay or addicts for that matter, he gave us free will and because of that, the factors in our indavidual environments shape our thoughts and desires. It is up to us to decide how to act upon those thoughts and desires (hence free will)
Report Post »Couyon64
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 6:14pmI also believe homosexuality is wrong. But I would not disown my child because of it.
Report Post »PMMcBride
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 6:39pmHe is using the Obama method. Got a problem or done something that didn’t turn out well. Find someone or something to blame for it……………………after all, it couldn’t possibly be something he personally did or his decision making. Good luck with it. Most of us are sick to our stomachs when we hear anyone blame someone else for something they personally are responsible for any more!
Report Post »SquareHead
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 6:48pm@TRUTHISHEALTHY
I am sure people say the same thing about bestiality, pedophilia and necrophilia, but it still a perversion and not right.
Because you like Jerry Sandusky can’t control your urge, it is still wrong. Though you like Jerry don’t see it that way. But as long as you engage in your perversion with consenting adults in your home, that is your business. But don’t ever think that we will tell you that your behavior is anything but a perversion.
This does not mean that I think that the father is right in this article. My guess is that the his son has felt his rejection for a lifetime, as he now shows the world with his letter.
I pray that you start reading your Bible and gets some help, and you will see the error of giving into your compulsions.
I assume by your post that you are gay, and if not, you have been brainwashed by the PC culture that is stifling basic truth and common sense from ruling in this nation.
Report Post »GardenoftheGods
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 7:17pmThere are 2 gay people in my husband’s family…both were molested as children along with awful experiences with people of the opposite sex.On my side of the family there are no homosexuals. I don’t attribute that to better genes; I attribute it to a healthy upbringing. I really do believe it’s a choice that a person makes. And NO, I don’t hate gay people…love the sinner, hate the sin.
Report Post »devildogger
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:52pm@TruthisHealthy So, being gay is not a choice, according to you. Hmmmm, so it is a birth defect? or personality disorder?
@ 82nd Airborne So, being gay is a lifestyle choice? If it is a choice why do queers DEMAND special privileges and treatment.
Why don‘t all you ’alternative’ lifestyle people just quit trying to carve yourself a privileged niche in society and just get on with your meaningless lives? Nobody gives a damn about with whom you sleep, unless it’s a kid.
Report Post »MORNINGELK
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:57pmYou nailed it. We all have bits of pasts that we could blame for present and cling to. Growing up is letting those bits fall by the wayside on our journey through lifes end.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:22pm@Midknight,
Report Post »Sorry if I’m butting into to your back and forth with Avenger. I don’t always admire his style of argument, but there are some points he‘s made and I’ve made that should have already provided some answers which bear repeating, and I’d like to challenge you on some of your points as well.
1. The idea that heteros don‘t make a single conscious choice to be hetero and therefore sexuality can’t be choice-based is comparing apples to apples. Some choices we make are more like drawn out series of choices, and less like epiphanies. A small choice today can become a habit tomorrow, which can become part of character over a lifetime. If you want to ask when heteros chose their preference, you’ve already distorted the nature of the choice, so they can’t find an answer to the question.
2. The idea that proponents of marriage are anti-gay is misguided at best and a maliciously dishonest canard at worst. No true conservative wants to take away anyone’s right to pursue happiness in any legal way they choose. No one is trying to introduce anti-sodomy laws here, or restricting anyone’s freedom to have any relationship they want with any consenting adult. But if a Moslim’s pursuit of happiness leads him to want to impose Mohammed on Christians, as a hypothetical example to illustrate your own argument, he’s not going to have a lot of luck, now is he? In the same way, redefinition of marriage is not MERELY an innocent question of “happiness” as you glibly put it.
gzpanic
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:41pmHe doesn’t have to remain either, for sure, but it is a HELLOFALOT MORE than just a “little will power”. Much, much more. Try every ounce of will power he can muster and then some. You can’t just wish it away, cuz. Drug addiction isn’t a CHOICE like you think, and neither I assume is being homosexual.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:42pm@Hippo,
Report Post »I tread lightly because you’ve inspired in me a greater desire to keep up and deepen my personal scripture studies. But I have to double down after attempting a look at the Greek myself. I don’t speak it, but AM a linguist and can navigate better than most with the aid of Google translate.
There’s two distinctions to make about context here:
1. 1 Cor 5 uses the 2nd person PLURAL in reference to the CHURCH (its structure, its leadership), NOT to any individual member. The instruction to separate asks for the administration to formally expel the sinner, and not to allow him to participate in church functions. It’s going too far, imho, to suggest this implies NO member should allow him into their home or go to his house. Families especially need to be there even for their sinner children, which is NOT de facto implicit condoning.
2. The meal reference most certainly CAN be interpreted as the Eucharist ESPECIALLY in light of the context, where the figure of the Passover feast (which the Sacrament meal replaced, remember) and unleavened bread is the subject of the analogy. I don’t offer that as the only interpretation possible, just that context does not exclude it as solidly as you seem to affirm.
Perhaps the example of the prodigal son parable is the best guide, however, of the correct balance between the need for separation as discipline and never wavering love for the sinner in case of return.
MSrebel
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:42pmRight you are; it is a lifestyle choice; a behavior (as is all sexual activity) it is not some uncontrollable compulsion pre-wired into our DNA. Too many gays has found solice in God and have changed back to a natural use for their body, proving it can be done. Until a few decades ago homosexuality was recognized as a mental defect, a sickness of the mind (and soul). It wasn’t until enough gay activist controlled the APA did the “studies” change.
Report Post »hjbones
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:15pmOkay, just so we’re all clear, being homosexual is a choice. I have a friend who is a lesbian, and she‘s told me more than once that it’s a choice. However, I think the father in this story was completely wrong to do that.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:29pm@ HAPPY…I so appreciate your deep desire to understand the whole counsel of God and obvious desire to carry it out. If we lQQk to 1 Co 5 verse 9 clearly states that we are not to associate with sexually immoral people who call themsleves bothers/sisters. This cannot mean only leadership nor can it mean communion only, nor does it give an exclusion for family members, which undoubtedly some were family members to the sinner in 1 Co 5. Paul again emphasizes this concept as he closes out the chapter with the same phraseology. Also, communion for the early church was not as ours today. It was an actual meal with fellowshipping often in personal homes not church buildings. So given the cultural context it seems to me quite logical that the understanding is as I have explained. I would also state that the command would have been given to leadership as they would be the ones to carry out the discipline and “tell it to the church” as Matt 18 commands. Am I to understand the danger of yeast working through a church would not have the danger of working through a family? Is the bond of blood greater than the bond of Christ? In the end I appreciate your comments, you are good thinker and I believe a sincere believer whom I consider it a privilege to interact with and exchange thoughts. May we meet in the next life and rejoice forever. We can settle this there (haha). Again, I humbly thank you for your time and I love it when iron sharpens iron !!!! Fight on my friend..
Report Post »Jim
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:08pmI was molested as a child and can not stand homosexuals. I sympathize with the father, I don’t blame him at all.
Report Post »ScottinTexas
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:23amOk people I am a gay male. I had some strange things happen to me when I was younger but I knew even when I was very young that I was gay but I just never said anything. 4 5 and 6 year olds do not play with dolls and tea sets that are male. I hated sports I was thin and not pretty to look at as a child. But even with all that……trust me IT IS NOT A CHOICE. You know that feeling that you have that is so natural when you see a women that you think is pretty? WOW..you say …that girl is hot. Well there is no difference. Now…check this out. As a kid I knew there were a bout 10% of the population that was gay. Always seems to be the number they tell us that is close. I was in a club one night in San Antonio Texas and there was several really good looking guys that were sitting on a couch together. But they were not doing much. The waiter said that were partners and had been together for some time. They were BLIND, and could not hear and met at the school for the blind. So I ask my self how on earth would you become gay if you could not see who you were attracted to. All by natural feelings and sense of touch…there decision was made.
Report Post »I do not agree with most gay people’s pushing the lifestyle down peoples throats. I am sure that it will all be explained someday by god and I can tell you ….If you knew me …I would be one of the nicest people you would know, never know I was gay….except that I am 53 never married and no kids.
milez5
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:37amI have known a few gay people and a couple of them have asked me before coming out to their families. I have always told them that they have a right to be what they are but they have no right to expect others to accept it.
Report Post »The father in this case was acting within his rights whether anyone likes it or not. He does not have to like or accept his son’s lifestyle choice.
do_it_all_again
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:38amsomeone on here commented, “why would someone choose to join a group of people that are hated by everyone” (paraphrase).
Report Post »It is because of rebellion,, rebellion of GOD, rebellion of society, rebellion of parental authority, or just any authority,, they dont want anyone to tell them what to do, or how to act,,, even if it kills them,, and most who rebel, have somewhere in their mind “ill be the one to change everything” that is how a lot of rebels think, they are so high on themselves, that they think they will be the one to make the “change” .
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 1:04am@ HappyStretchedThin
Nice try, but no. Read full the context of all the statements. Because some religions say it is wrong, does not make it right to deny unions between two loving people.
It is EXACTLY what AvengerK is stating. Again, you have to establish a victim. Who is the victim in a gay relationship? Provided they conduct their business behind closed doors, like everyone else should. what victim is there between two consenting adults. People engage in polygamy around the world. The reason it was outlaw was to persicute the Mormons. It was legal up until 1852.
Again, who is harmed?
You see law has this nasty thing called precedence. If you allow one group to infringe on another due to beliefs, than you have established that the ruling body can persecute and lower body. This why we are not a democracy and were set up as a republic. Otherwise, we would still have slaves, the blacks would never had civil rights and we would be in a lot worse shape than we are today.
You may not like to accept that you are infringing on someone’s happiness, but you are in this case. Like I said, your views are fine… But only for you. You can not push this on another and force them to adhere to your narrow frame of what a relationship is. You don’t have to agree with it either. YOU MUST approach it with the same tolerance you demand of your views.
Report Post »Rob52078
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 7:05amOk what about Galatians 3:24 – 25
Report Post »“So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.”
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 7:39am@ Rob52078
What about the quote?
Does it mena that we all should be Christians? Should government enforce one religion or the views there of?
You know the US Govenrment views animal sacrifice as acceptable practice of religion?
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/12/us/supreme-court-animal-sacrifice-court-citing-religious-freedom-voids-ban-animal.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Christ was to replace the ritual sacrifice of the lamb. So, we need to outlaw that too. My comments have clearly illustrated that we need to practice tolerance herein America. Even if we do not agree with the actions of others. Quoting scripture does not have bearance on the freedoms exercised by others. People must choose christ and follow hi in faih and faith alone.
The scripture you are quoting is discussing the role of the individual now that Christ has been received into the world. It does not say, now that Christ has come all laws should be made as to prevent those from still excessing their freedom of choice.
Not to mention that most people quoting script on here are doing so to support the father’s actions of turning his back to his son. While yes, we should not cast our pearls to swines, we should also feed the milk before the meat. 1 Corinthians 3:2
You are to show love despite one’s transgression from G_d or Christ. The faith is very clear on this. We are all infants in the eyes of G_d. We are born nieve and with temptation.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 7:55am@ Rob52078
We also are all sinners. The only thing as a society of mixed religions and beliefs that we should make laws aganst are things that prevent another’s freedoms.
I think our founding fathers clearly laid this out in the creation of this nation. Not to mention that scripture is only valueable to the FAITHFUL. What are your words to the Sikh? Muslim? Hindu? Buddhist? Atheist?
You can preach all you like, but again the meat will fall on deaf ears. It is clear you meet others with love and understanding. Yes, you can point out flaws. Yes, you can discuss your faith. However, it should not be grounds to control or force others into action. OTherwise, you are no better than the progressive of the early 1900′s. Nazi Germany was against homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust
They were against alcohol:
http://iantyrrell.wordpress.com/alcohol-prohibition-in-the-usa/
Read about the Temperance Movement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement
While I agree with the fundamentals that alcohol is a problem for many, I do not support abolishing it in order to prevent the drunk from beating his wife. Under these guises, we can easily talk away the 2nd Ammendment, the 1st, and pretty much each ammedment. You may not think it is damaging because it is for the best, but listen to the rants of social justice and collective salvation.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 8:02am@ Rob52078
It is okay to hold your faith. I encourage all in their endeavors to guide themselves peacefully to Christ, Buddha or any other diety or prophet. I only ask that they expect and give the same freedoms to others in our great nation. Your views on homosexuality are yours and your faith. Do we need to outlaw homosexuality altogether? Should the govenrment not allow them a union status of an equivlant to marriage?
I mean, besides the fear of govenrment attacking churches on bigotry (which already happens), is there any reason outside of faith we should abolish or prevent it? We claim protection of the family… but what are we protecting it from? I can use the same arguement on Alcohol, Drugs, Pornography and a long list of other things. In many cases some of these things are not illegal. They are indeed frowned upon by many religions too. Where shoudl the line be drawn. I only made all my statements as a warning to the dark roads we are leading ourselves down.
Report Post »conservative beckhater
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 8:10amStunning. What a collection of ignorant, delusional primates we have here. Obviously, you all long for sex with someone of your own gender. But you choose to refrain from your urges because you think GOD is watching you and would disapprove. Interesting.
Report Post »jjrglobal
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 8:39amIs having a lisp a choice or some genetic defect?
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:05am@ avengerk
“you drank the Kool Aid it seems. Liberals have made it so that homosexuals are to be coddled and adored and are beyond criticism and you’ve shown how effective that campaign truly can be.”
I don‘t coddle anyone nor do I drink of anyone’s KoolAid.
“Why do you believe the truth about homosexuality shouldn’t be discussed?”
I believe is SHOULD be discussed. Everything concerning it here is never discussed, just condemned.
“Why do you believe people should just accept homosexuality for whatever homosexuals and their
advocates tell you it should be? By all means champ..tell me what’s acceptable and normal about 61% of new cases of HIV in this country each year attributed to homosexuals who make up less than 2% of the population. Go ahead sport….put on your “I know better than you bigots” hat again and convince me why that’s acceptable to you and should not be used to illustrate the aberrant nature of homosexuality?”
Since there is a medical condition that affects them unproportionally, does that prove to you that it’s somehow wrong? Similarily, since blacks get the vast majority (or all?) of Sickle Cell Anemia, does that mean they it’s wrong to be black? Your premise if A is true then B must also be true is patently erroneous.
I suppose the very act of gay sex may be a choice the same as the very act of hetero sex is a choice, but this is about what physically turns a person on sexually. [Cont]
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:10amHaving read many post here I believe it gets down to this … whether born homosexual or not, scripture says that; “all things are possible with God”. So, for the person who is born this way, once they have been told of the sin of it and convicted by God of this truth, GOD CAN CHANGE THEM, and yes, this cooperative effort is done through prayer and the grace God offers to overcome it.
IT IS NOT COMPLICATED …God’s grace is sufficient, as He said to Paul !
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:12am[cont]
What condition psychologically can cause a like/dislike? There may be no “gay gene” any more than there is no “straight gene”, but the very fact that a person gets “turned on” sexually by a specific gender or type of person or body part or clothing or whatever is not about choice. Something in our brains trigger what attracts us. Is that conditioning? I don’t know, nor do you or anyone else as many have tried to prove this one way or another and every single one has failed to do so thus far. Even if it’s conditioned from a young age, the fact of the matter is it’s how someone feels deep inside, and just deciding to change that is either extremely difficult or impossible. Try to condition yourself to get excited about seeing a dog take a poop… can you do that? If not, why not? Don‘t tell me you don’t want to — just try to do it to prove to yourself and everyone else that what turns one on can truly be changed because it’s only “a choice”.
Gay people I know have always stated that they knew from their first memories that they were somehow different. They always had more of an attraction to a person of the same sex than opposite sex. That COULD be conditioned, but perhaps not. Some twins are raised identical yet one turns out gay and one straight. Why?
I think the answer is WE DO NOT KNOW. Why would you condemn someone when we do not know?
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:36am@Midknight
Report Post »Now that we’ve settled the choice vs. nature question between us, understand that I actually copied and pasted all your posts into a word doc before preparing my post to you. Reading it all in context isn’t the problem here. I‘m pointing out to you implications you’re not admitting to yourself WITHIN your OWN context.
You’ve falsely painted Conservatives as anti-gay, and as wanting to criminalize love. That’s propaganda. No one cares who you love or how. But you’re not being honest about what you want. There’s no current federal law prohibiting ANY of that behavior. Therefore you want what’s NOT currently allowed. What’s NOT allowed is the marriage certificate, which is a SEPARATE issue from bedroom behavior (newsflash: whole lotta extra-marital sex going on out there of all kinds, none of which criminal unless money changes hands), AND from matters of the heart (newsflash: when laws attempt to control thought, feeling, or even speech, society becomes Orwellian–laws can ONLY control BEHAVIORS). In fact, you yourself agree with the principle (”If you allow one group to infringe on another due to beliefs, than you have established that the ruling body can persecute and lower body”), but fail to see: 1. that you’re the one seeking to infringe it; 2. that you’ve misapplied it in the first place; 3. and that your assertions about the consequences of gay behavior on society are flawed.
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HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:52am#1: State sanction of gay marriage is tantamount to force of law over matters of belief. You don’t PERSONALLY believe that a Church not wanting to perform such a marriage need to be allowed to, but you’re delusional about the consequences (and agenda aims) of such a law. There would immediately be lawsuits attempting to force compliance, and as soon as one challenge made it through, law–precisely because of this nasty thing called precedence–would irrevocably enter the field of thought control where it should never go. Conservative oppose this on the same grounds they oppose hate-crime legislation. Intent must sometimes be adjudicated to make the punishment fit the crime (as in degrees of murder), but once one class becomes protected by law, the law undermines itself as neutral in matters of crime. Hate is a feeling, but assault is assault is assault no matter your reasons, therefore the law should punish all assault fairly and equally without prejudice.
Report Post »#2. The idea of a republic is NOT so minorities, however they define themselves, can do whatever they want and force the majority to accept all their behaviors. The idea of a republic is to prevent a tyrannical majority from imposing INJUSTICE upon a minority. The LAWS must apply equally to BOTH the majority AND the minority, and must only prevent damage to security and property, otherwise belief becomes the purview of the law, and inequality before the law results.
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HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:15am#3. I personally believe homosexual BEHAVIOR is a sin, and any inclinations toward it should and can be successfully resisted. As such, I believe it does irreparable damage to the soul, as does ALL sin (including hate toward our fellow-sinners!) unless the forgiveness of Christ is applied. With this basis, I assert that such behavior is not victimless, even between consenting adults: it leads to other sinful thoughts, words, and actions, some of which spill over into the criminal and are punishable by law. Every sin contributes to the overall worsening of society. And especially considering families: everyone is hurt when one chooses poorly.
Report Post »That said, I do NOT argue my religion in discussing law, but the same principles of truth apply. Society is damaged when gay marriage is allowed everywhere it’s been tried. Stanley Kurtz is the authority on the matter. Read here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/206752/libertarian-question/stanley-kurtz
and here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/209888/national-nuptials/stanley-kurtz
and most importantly and pointedly here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp
Briefly put, no one’s individual union influences any other directly, but societal pressure to behave morally, especially toward children, is diluted to the point society can’t tolerate. As a system, we cannot allow it without systemic consequences.
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:34am@ JHRUSKY..First let me admit I did not read carefully your entire post, but I do want to point out one mistake I encountered in your position. First, just so you know my background I am a surgeon. When you gave the example of Black people having most of the sickle cell problems as an argument against HIV in homosexuals I presume, you are not logically accurate. Homosexual sex is considered in medicine a high risk behavior just like smoking cigarettes is a behavior. If we assume, for the sake of argument that one is born gay (not demonstarted by any study to date), this does not increase their risk for HIV until they engage in the behavior. Conversly studies have demonstrated undoubtedly that homosexual males are at a greater risk of infection than their heterosexual counterparts who engage in sex with infected partners. Also, gay women do not possess near the same risk of contracting HIV as their gay male counterparts. So we can easily conclude that it is a high risk behavior not an inherited trait that confers HIV infection. Being born black however, does increase the risk for sickle cell without any action by the individual. We might make the same illustration that some seem to be more easily addicted to substances than others but this risk is only realized if they engage in the behavior not simply because they were born. Therefore, your comparison was not a logically consistent one with regard to sickle cell and being black. Thank you….
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Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:35am@Happy
If you were able to do submission grappling anything like you do verbal grappling, you would be one bad dude on the wrestling mat.
Good job once again.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:37am@ HAPPY…..Very well stated and argued last few posts my friend. I have used Kurtz before as well. Thank you for your defense and time. Very well done. whatever we do even if eating or drinking, right? great job!
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:52am@ HappyStretchedThin
You call me delusional, when I state you are in fact that.
Counterpoint to you #1:
You are the one saying I state ALL CONSERVATIVES. Not me pal. Stop your strawman arguement. I am not attacking your beliefs, but the fact you want to force them on ALL others. It is the same with the law suits against the Chruches should the government allow gay marriage. Sure, they will be filed. It is up to me and you to block them. Much like contraception at Catholic Universities and Hospitals (or abortions for that matter).
I am not denouncing those freedoms. You are, however, denouncing the ability of who people can love and union with. You are blocking their happiness to be in sync with what YOU dictate as correct. This is a slippery slope that can be used by Muslims and any other group to push laws that are within their doctrine. BE CAREFUL.
#2 You are willing doing just that. “The idea of a republic is to prevent a tyrannical majority from imposing INJUSTICE upon a minority.” What does a gay couple gain from the Defensive Marriage Act? What do Christian not gain or prohibited by allowing Government bodies to engage in Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships?
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:08am@ HappyStretchedThin
You are deluding yourself. The Christian LOSES nothing. The gay loses if marriage is defined by LAW as between one man and one woman. So do polygamists lose. This is why it is EXACT anti-gay to support a law that would subject a few to the will of the many. At this rate, let us make anti divorce laws. Adultery should be 100% arrestable for both parties involved (married male/female and the partner they had sex outside of marriage).
Let’s make laws that state missionary is the only acceptable.
The Bible says women are suppose to serve their husbands, it is also supported in the Koran. Let’s make laws against women having jobs. Let’s return the nuclear family.
Sorry friend. You are wrong. And do not think that may statements are against ALL CONSERVATIVES. Or that I assume all CONSERVATIVES are ANTI GAY. You are placing wrong labels. I simply stated that CHRIST spoke of loving people despite their sins.
AvengerK brought in Gay Marriage, not me. I was pointing out that many people here were using scripture to alleviate the father of guilt for his actions. AvengerK decide to make allegations against gays based on scripture. He is welcome to too.
You are wrong in your position and will never change my mind of that. I never asked you to accept being gay, but allow others to have that lifestyle. If they decide to be a couple, respect that. As for marriage. I think both sides are STUPID.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:11am@ HappyStretchedThin
You claim they will poison society and it will be the downfall. Bull. Rome had open gay policies. Greece did too. It was not their downfall or what lead to it. Please read your history. What lead to the downfall was the welfare state. Marriage or sexual orientation is not, and was not, a welfare issue.
Stop deluding yourself. Nor does your Christ or your religion dictate how I should live or who I can be partnered with. YOU ARE FORCING it in the policy and law.
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Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:31am@ HappyStretchedThin
And do not say it is a strawman argument of me to say you think gays will be the downfall of society. It is discussed in large in the URL you use as strength to your position.
It is stated that the degrading of society is brought on by removal of sexual taboos. However, it only states thoughts as to why without any research. Since the 60s free love, divorce went up. Must be a connection right? Where is the proof?
That is like saying since the the car was invented the temperature of the Earth went up. So, the Car is causing Global Warming. Your source does not lead to any FACTS based on the divorce rate.
Nor does it accept that the MAIN reason people get divorces is what?
MONEY
http://www.divorce.com/article/top-10-reasons-marriages-fail
Even in India, infidelity or sex is low on the scale of reason for divorce:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-08/man-woman/29948563_1_infidelity-divorce-financial-worries
In the grand scheme of FACTS, sexual reason came #4 overall. Above this is financial, abuse and lack of communication. All of these have NOTHING to do with removal of sexual taboo. More could be stated that it is that the family of the 60s where in a better economical environment being that they were kids of WWII and the Great Depression. Knowing suffering, the unit was tighter and reliance of the family strong.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:34am@ HappyStretchedThin
the children of the sixties grew up in excess and expect excess with little effort. So they are more subject to selfish desires of greed and abundance.
This is, your source makes claims without evidence save numbers. It ignores the actual reason give for divorce as researched in the 80′s, 90′s and since. It is more the breakdown society from being snotty brats that expect money and jobs than sexual preference.
Sorry friend. Please try again.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 11:43amHere is a nail in your arguments coffin:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/heterosexual-divorce-rates-unchanged-in-countries-with-same-sex-marriage-report/story-fnb64oi6-1226426963152
Divorce rates remain unchanged in countries that allow same sex marriages… This is not theory, but actual practice… It is fact, not wild assumption.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:06pm@RangerP
Report Post »Thanks bro. And if you‘d like a concise and more efficient summary of what I’ve argued, I’ll refer you to your own first post on this thread. Cheers!
@Midknight
“I am not attacking your beliefs, but the fact you want to force them on ALL others.”
Do you listen to yourself? In the very same sentence you assert not attacking you attack. In the very process of asserting you don’t think ALL Conservatives want to impose belief on others, you demonstrate that you think that SOME do, which is wrong by definition, because Conservativism is DEFINED by never using force of law on belief, and by respect for all rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, including that of sexual orientation and freedom of association. No RIGHT of any lgbt is infringed by ANY Conservative position. Despite your inability to admit that obtaining a federal sanction of your different idea of marriage is NOT a right, the fact remains we all have equal rights and protections under the law. Again: freedom to love is not what Conservatives oppose; freedom to have sex is not what Conservatives oppose; freedom to be happy is not what Conservatives oppose. It‘s claiming you CAN’T be happy WITHOUT federal sanction of your marriage that we oppose.
Furthermore, you make the mistake of confusing attack with defense. Conservatives didn’t start defending the definition of marriage until lgbt groups sought to alter it.
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HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:20pm@Midknight
Report Post »On marriages vs. unions: you’ve now conflated Conservatives with Christians. As both, I’m still working out my opinion on unions, but as a Conservative, I recognize that if federal law can’t grant special rights to individuals in a discriminatory way, so I compromise with a civil union idea that removes all discrimination in rights.
On Christian love: in none of my statements can you properly conclude that I condone anything but the purest empathy and support for gays and all other forms of sinner, myself included. And regardless of who brought what up, you DO support gay marriage and are defending its idea poorly. You accuse me of posting straw men where I accurately DO state your own position, and on this you feel free to fire away with your OWN straw men, except that no conservative defends polygamy, calls for a restriction on sex positions, or wants new laws enforcing that women remain in the home. Are you a closet Pelosi follower who also thinks Conservatives delight in their own children drinking polluted water and breathing polluted air? Why do you assume Conservatives have evil motivations before arguing their policy positions? It does your argument no service (it’s patently ridiculous), and only prevents you from dealing with the issue rather than the people.
And then there’s the leap to Rome and Greece. I can argue history if you want, but never made any HINT of an argument that they were parallel or relevant. More straw men, I think.
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Amarath01
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:23pmOK people WHY DO YOU LIE.
This is a question you should be asking your prodesint religions.
Exodus 1:16
“But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the MEN CHILDREN alive.”
LEV 18:22
“22 ”You will not have intercourse with a MAN as you would with a woman. This is a hateful thing.”
This is the same word used the Greek Septuagint. Indicated it means offspring. \”
Odd that same word being used for both of these.. Well its ος oν indicating WHOEVER. IE the real wording is and you {or whoever} shall not sleep with your male children.
You cannot deny this as that is what it states the NT is even more clear on its language regarding this.
Report Post »So why don’t you know it? Grab a komani greek dictionary and go to biblos and interlinear text its not hard. And the Hebrew text is quiet clear also, as it directly mentioned children.
Schteveo
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:59pmI think being gay is as hard wired genetically as having a club foot. We now know that having an addictive personality is genetic too. I suffer myself from the second malady. Alcohol and heavy drug use as a younger man was all too common for me. I no longer have those problems and I‘ve got my Christian faith and God’s hand on my shoulder to help me through times that used to drive me there.
I‘ve had Christian friends say they don’t think God would ‘make’ anyone gay. Really, with all the weird birth defects we KNOW exist and see, God would draw THAT line in the sand? I come from a line of men with drinking problems, because I have a ‘gene’ pushing me to drink, should I? Should I follow my Bible, and NOT be a drunk? Should I wallow in alcohol, or should I live my life as God wants me too?
OK, so you were ‘born’ that way? Should you wallow in it? Or should you try to live a better way? I think much like the addictive behavior, ‘being gay’ is something people can overcome. I personally know people on both sides of that line. The gay people who have quit their lifestyle, even though unmarried now or still, are a heck of a lot happier than the mean, nasty gay people I’ve worked with.
Tell me when you ever see gay ‘activists’ smiling? They’re always mad as they can be, yelling about how bad they’ve got it. If you think YOU’RE getting it bad gay folks, go masquerade as a Christian for two weeks, and get back to us!
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 1:29pm@ HappyStretchedThin
“In the very process of asserting you don’t think ALL Conservatives want to impose belief on others, you demonstrate that you think that SOME do, which is wrong by definition, because Conservativism is DEFINED by never using force of law on belief,”
Wrong agian! There is a difference between the definition of SOME and ALL. Do we really need to touch on word association?
Conservative is NOT defined as you state.
It is defined as in definition as: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Many conservatives often use law to impose regulation on values and morality. Many also use their faith as a guide.
What is DEFINED by never using force of law on belief, is liberal. Yes, the dread word that most conservatives use. Read Classical Liberalism. Heck, here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-8Uz_nMaQ
The founding fathers were Classical LIBERALS. Conservative was, and also is, is the CONSERVATION of power in a central authority.
Trust me, I understand your confusion. Most Conservatives, and liberals are confused thanks to the Progressives. Progressives are on both side. They are the true conservatives.
You are changing definitions like they do. You are mudding the waters, mostly do to progressives mudding of it originally. We are founded on LIBERAL principles that men best govern themselves OUTSIDE the influence of GOVERNMENT.
Do we really need politics 101?
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 1:38pm@ HappyStretchedThin
“On Christian love: in none of my statements can you properly conclude that I condone anything but the purest empathy and support for gays and all other forms of sinner, myself included”
Wrong! You interjected and defending someone who was doing just that. Thus, you are defending him in agreement.
And to this:
“..except that no conservative defends polygamy, calls for a restriction on sex positions, or wants new laws enforcing that women remain in the home.”
ONE NAME:
Rick Santorum
Now you will say he is not conservative. Please quit bloviating. I fully understand the issue. Like I said, I am not making any claims to your defense then what you claim yourself.
You seem very misguided on what is conservative.
And I am doing an excellent job of defending my position. It is you who are doing poor.
I am not asking you to change your beliefs. You have a right to believe a gay union is bad, or the shouldn’t get married. You have NO right in preventing them from doing such. You claim I am attacking your beliefs, but I am not. I am attacking your TOLERANCE of others.
You are s blinded by ism’s you have literal created the division the PROGRESSIVES want. You allow them to take hold of power. Separate PEOPLE on social issues that mean nothing save to the INDIVIDUAL.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 1:52pm@ HappyStretchedThin
You need to come to grip with reality. Religion, sex, sexual persuasion are all personal in nature. It is an individual right. You may say Christianity. The Muslim says Mohammad. The Atheist says the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Neither should have sway on how the other lives their life.
Through unions or marriage. This is basic freedom 101 here.
We make laws based on things we all agree on… Sex with children is bad. Children are young and not educated on the issues involved. Not to mention the mental scars. This covers incest as well.
Murder is bad. Theft is bad. Slavery is bad. Heck, I even agree abortion is wrong.
The laws are found on common grounds. Not because you want to protect a group. Under that guise, Bloomberg is correct for limiting sodas. Next sugar. Next fat.
We are protecting you. Heck, G_d says your body is a temple! So the step is not far to dominance of other things as well.
Trust me my friend. I am 100% correct in this matter. I have debated it myself for years. I also question with boldness, the very existence of G_d. For should there be one, he would like honest devotion and not blind faith.
Nor due I scorn G_d with my views. My views only scorn your views of what G_d is. I am not asking you to change them either. If it works for you, G_d bless you. If it works for your family, G_d bless you.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 1:59pm@Midknight,
Report Post »It appears the Blaze has swallowed my last post in my last series of 3. Typically they resurface within hours. It deals with your substance on Kurtz.
And sorry if I forgot you like to use old definitions for liberal and conservative. When dealing with my CONCEPTS, you’re still wrong: MODERN conservatives (wait, are you going to throw at me that modern is a term of the Renaissance? or the Romantic Period? or the Industrial Revolution?–stay focused!) want to conserve central power ONLY in the most LIMITED FORM POSSIBLE so as to guarantee the basic freedoms. Beyond the Constitution, we oppose the expansion of federal involvement in ALL matters of belief, word, and even deed. We are classical liberals with the added bonus of modern experience with the 200+ year history of the idea of America, and don’t want our society destroyed by dilution of the principles that allowed its greatness and stability unparalleled in the history of humankind.
And so we promote personal responsibility, limiting govt to essential functions.
Kurtz and I argue that all the just laws in our great republic implicitly tend to the protection of the monogamous family as an ideal basic unit of civil society, and therefore defense of the family falls under the purview of those limited essential functions. Specific taboos need not be legislated and aren’t, but the principles and values are what underpins the internal peace of the nation.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:27pm@Midknight,
Report Post »“Wrong! You interjected and defending someone who was doing just that. Thus, you are defending him in agreement”
Look, I know you like to go ad hominem, but isn’t that a little ridiculous? I pick up agreement on some of Avenger’s POINTS, and instead of attacking the ideas, you call me guilty by association. I clearly stated I don’t condone his tone, but frankly he’s free to be as pointed and even bigoted as he wants and I can agree with one of his points without being bigoted or hateful myself. Be honest.
Santorum opposes polygamy, and has never called for regulating sex or women remaining in the home. He’s a conservative who might like to convince a majority not to engage in homosexual sex, but never by force of federal law. Be honest.
I never said you wanted to change my beliefs, but that you seek to impose what is against my beliefs. I can tolerate individuals and their beliefs and even consensual behaviors just fine without consenting to their attacking my society’s structure. Your doubling down on the canard. Be honest.
“We make laws based on things we all agree on…”
No, that’s democracy. In a republic (as you claim to believe is a good political structure), laws are based on what’s good and right, no matter the majority or minority subscribing to them. Go back to Poli Sci 101, you obviously didn’t finish the course.
p.s. claiming you’re correct and that the argument is over, generally makes you less persuasive. FYI.
bumpkin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:40pmThe problem w being “gay”: They SAY they “cant help it,-we were born like that.” According to the Bible it’s sexual deviance- we all get that. They think GOD is really OK with their deviance. What people are NOT thinking about, (Many folks just don’t THINK!) -is: Gay people think because they have the URGE to copulate with same-sex folks, then they are ‘driven’ to do it…and that they HAVE to follow their urges- that this makes it a “natural” occurrence, and therefore, they have the RIGHT to do it. IF this were all really true, then the same could be said for child molesters, et al. They each have the urge, maybe since childhood…They‘re ALSO ’driven’, aren’t they? The same could be said for murderers- They have the URGE- they are also ‘driven’, if you ask them. SOMETHING made them do it… The same could be said for cannibals- they have the lust (JUST like homosexuals). WHERE DOES IT STOP??? If you accept that ‘gay’ people can’t help it, and thus really have the RIGHT to follow their lust, then you accept that the man down the street that keeps snatching children off the sidewalk and rapes them, murders them, and EATS them, has the right to do it as well. It is LUST. Some will say “It’s DIFFERENT! They’re not hurting anybody else!” But they ARE! They are teaching the world that one doesn’t need to RESIST their most base, vulgar urges, or to learn self-control, -which if all learned S.C., it would only lift society as a whole. Gays
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Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:48pm@ HappyStretchedThin
You are wrong on Santurom. He has lead initiative to ban pornography and OUTLAW gay marriage and sodomy:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57399226-503544/santorum-says-obama-not-enforcing-internet-porn-laws/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/rick-santorum-gay-marriage-sodomy_n_1030513.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-23-santorum-excerpt_x.htm
You are wrong. This is exactly what he is doing.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:54pm@ HappyStretchedThin
“No, that’s democracy. In a republic (as you claim to believe is a good political structure), laws are based on what’s good and right, no matter the majority or minority subscribing to them.”
Laws are based on what is good and right for the general public. Things we agree on… Thigns that violate RIGHTS of others. Read the Constitution. Where does it say you have a right to regulate SEX or Marriage? You are mixing words my friend. And you support the Majority subjugating the minority.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:59pm@ HappyStretchedThin
p.s. claiming you’re correct and that the argument is over, generally makes you less persuasive. FYI.
you are under the illusion I want to persuade you. I am only stating a position. I stated many times. You are welcome to your beliefs. I am welcome not to care about them either.
It is my belief that people like you are what really is wrong with society. You can’t think beyond yourself and what you think is right. I will pray for you. And yes you are wrong.
We will both see when we met G_d in the afterlife. My G_d loves and accepts all, does not discriminate and divide people. LMAO
G_d help society. Between progressive and misguided Conservatives, we are all doomed. You can’t see the things you spout you have a right to do to society are the same the Progressives us. It is Fascist. Oh well, I forgive you. You are human after all.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 3:05pm@ HappyStretchedThin
And Rick Santorum has spoken about making laws against sexual positions, marriage and pronography:
Report Post »http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-23-santorum-excerpt_x.htm
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 3:06pm@ HappyStretchedThin
And Rick Santorum has spoken about making laws against sexual positions, marriage and pornography:
Report Post »http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-23-santorum-excerpt_x.htm
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 3:51pm@Midknight,
“Laws are based on what is good and right for the general public. Things we agree on… Thigns that violate RIGHTS of others. Read the Constitution. Where does it say you have a right to regulate SEX or Marriage? You are mixing words my friend. And you support the Majority subjugating the minority.”
If by “things we all agree on” you reference the concept of common consent, I’ll back down on that point and even admit to using your own twisting tactics against you.
Report Post »You’re right that laws must apply equally to all, and be based on what is good and right for the general public. But what you’re not admitting is that this is what you already have: laws that don’t regulate sex or “marital” relationships except where necessary to maintain integrity of property rights, and protection of children.
But maybe you’re just trying to confuse what the concept of force is.
Enforcing only heterosexual marriage would look like rounding up lgbt for prosecution with the power of the state’s police forces. Is there anyone calling for that? Where is there a single conservative asking for arrests to be made?
You’re the one confusing terms (constantly!). It’s not force to refuse to allow new rights to be created for a special class. THAT’S what would be anti-constitutional and anti-republican. THAT’S what gay marriage attempts to do. Equating two unequal things is fallacious and can have dangerous repercussions for the moral fabric of a republic.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 4:12pm@Midknight,
Report Post »I’m not wrong on Santorum. Your own links show him passionately arguing we should use every democratic means to convince a majority of his opinions on public pornography (never private use), on public sexuality (never private), and about homosexuality. He seeks to use the Constitutional process to encode principles of public morality by common consent into the laws of a just republic.
He objects when pornography is foisted on the public via judicial fiat (i.e. WITHOUT democratic debate and due legislative process), and when there was a real danger that a judge‘s decision could force all states to accept some states’ redefinition of marriage.
Context is part of truth, sir. And also the sources you choose: huffpo, USAToday with “excerpts”, CBSNews.
You, sir, are not only twisting, but revealing your true progressive colors if you think bypassing the Congress is a good way to obtain gay marriage.
I prescribe for you the following Jan Mickelson monologue on the dishonesty of the gay lobby: http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2011/02/jan-mickelson-deconstructs-zach-wahls/
It deals in Iowa’s 2011 marriage amendment and dismantles the propaganda of its opponents quite effectively.
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 5:07pm@ HappyStretchedThin
You are wrong on Santurom:
“We have laws in states, like the one at the Supreme Court right now, that has $odomy laws and they were there for a purpose.”
He then claims that it is because $odomy will lead to the degeneration of Society.
It is a sexual act. He would like to outlaw it. Claim it defends society. Society is some you do not own, you share. It is OUR society. And when society discriminates on one opposed to another, we have issues. We should stand for more freedom not less. If society can be dictated by your loose interpretation of what is right based on selected FAITH, than the argument can be made by any faith as to which doctrine has it correct.
It is a divisive tactic design to do just that, divide a nation. I ask you stand as a nation. To not sell freedom in place of security. Thee who does deserves neither. An open society is best for all. I know we would agree on a lot of fiscal responsibilities. And I know it is hard to battle the faith aspect of right and wrong with secular law, but it must be done for all our good. I believe gambling is bad, but I do not think we should outlaw it.
Alcohol kills hundreds if not thousands through drunk driving. It taxes society, but do we outlaw alcohol? No. People need to be responsible for themselves.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 5:27pm@ HappyStretchedThin
Again, besides faith, what do two gay males being in union as a couple LEGALLY (not spiritually) hurt?
You claim adultery, we have that regardless… Divorce? We have that regardless. Bestiality? Show me the dog was willing. I mean written and oral confession (no peanut butter).
You claim doors are open to approve other societal taboos… Most of which are already broken. Do we need laws against adultery? Honestly…
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cheating-arizona-wife-could-face-jail-time-under-states-anti-adultery-law/
Look at that article. Rather than divorce, because they didn’t have the money, they stayed married. Then the husband calls the cops on a marriage he gave up. Does it make either one correct? No. However, how much money do we need to waste to enforce these laws? What about the population in jail currently? Should we add more? Waste more money on that?
I am not saying jails are bad, but we waste too much on stupid laws for want of persecution. For fines and fees. Like the man who saved a whale by cutting his nets and may serve jail time.
You want you waste. There it is. We make things illegal because we don’t agree with them. These are issue between G_d and the person. I just don’t want to waste money in police BULL.
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 5:33pmOne of the facebook founders is gay and worth over 500 million; sitting CO congressman sold successful company, won seat, and he’s worth about 130 million. Lots of gays are rich and not just in NY, LA and Silicon Valley.
Report Post »Do you also believe adultery is a choice? Tell us how you feel about sitting senator (YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK) ADMITTED adulterer, whoremonger, and another pub senator resigned last year after admitting he had a g.f. (one of the few who got caught).
Do you care YOUR TAX DOLLARS PAYING SITTING SENATOR SALARY, VITTER IS ADMITTED ADULTERER AND BREAKER OF COMMANDMENTS? Yet all these christian pubs and cardinals and princes of the church (vitter is catholic) SAY NOTHING? NOTHING!!!———–
———–VITTER FOR VEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!Are you and rubio and other senators FOR OR AGAINST ADULTERY AND BREAKING THE COMMANDMENTS?
You never say a thing about vitter, admitted adulterer, whoremonger. —————————–Can we assume adultery so ordinary among pub politicians nothing needs to be said? Sen Ensign’s resignation after aduterous affair last year would seem to suggest adultery rife in the GOP. What do you say?—————What does romney say, rubio, ryan? Nothing. So, if you don’t speak against gay marriage, you must be for it. ——————-If you don’t speak against ADULTERY, WHOREMONGERING, ———-WHICH VITTER ADMITTED, you must be for it. That is not a stretch, logical.
GOP with its big ‘christian’ vote rife with adulte
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 5:37pm@ HappyStretchedThin
Should people be able to divorce? Yes. Would I choose a divorce myself? No. I am not married for that reason.
We make laws in order to force people to adhere to these lists of moralities. Sooner or later, someone comes a long to use the same language to make take more and more freedom. Example: Obesity is a problem that cost money to treat in health. It prevents affordable healthcare for others and endanger lives. Make it illegal to be fat. You and I know it is happening right now.
Many gays would agree with you on fiscal responsibility. On people gaining the system. However, they will not stand with you because you push laws that make them outcasts. You tell them they are horrible people. Not you personally, but ones like AvengerK. Meanwhile, they do not kill, steal or cheat any more or less than many Christians I know. Jews and Muslims too. Can they live with us in peace? Yes. Can they contribute to work and betterment of society? Yes. They can feed the poor, tend the sick… So can a Muslim, Jew, Atheist. We fight on the little things that really mena nothing. We divide ourselves with ism’s.
Then we pick and choose who we help by who we agree with. Which is the downfall of society? look around my friend. Who creates the downfall? Who creates the dependency on a big government?
The intolerant. Those who claim to know better what is good for another.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 5:43pm@ HappyStretchedThin
Why ostracize a sinner? So long has his/her sins do not rob another of life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness; what difference does it make?
We are all Americans. We should have a shared dream outside of the faith we reside for our families and ourselves. Can gays stand with Christians? Jews? Muslims? Hindu? Atheist? Yes on all accounts. We need to embrace love and freedom to achieve it. Tolerance, even against things we disagree on. I don’t like what people say. Especially against Chick Fil-A supporters and Lolo (the virgin runner). I will still stand for their right to say it. I will stand for AvengerK’s rights. I would die to defend it, if it came to that.
Society has always been bleeding. It is nothing new. The solution is love, not division.
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:03pmVAN SUSTEREN: GOP NEEDS TO EXPLAIN ‘WHY THEY GIVE VITTER A PASS’ |
Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren criticizes the GOP’s embrace of Sen. David Vitter after he admitted to frequenting prostitutes.
Yesterday, Bill O’Reilly stated flatly that Vitter should not be in the Senate.
Do ACTUAL christians support/condone
adulterers and with hookers
a sitting US senator?
This is the pub party: HYPOCRITES, CONTEMPTIBLE and the latest on Vitter:
A trusted aide to Louisiana Sen. David Vitter resigned Wednesday morning after ABC News reported that he had been arrested for attacking his ex-girlfriend with a knife, and had an open warrant for his arrest in Baton Rouge on a drunk driving charge.
The aide, Brent Furer, worked on the Republican senator’s last campaign, and has spent the last five years posted in his Washington office to handle, among other things, women’s issues.
An ABC News investigation out this morning revealed that Furer had repeated brushes with the law dating back to the 1990s.
Those who have had encounters with Furer told ABC News that his presence on Vitter‘s payroll raised serious questions about the senator’s judgment.
Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said it concerns her that the senator has talked so forcefully as an advocate for women and an opponent of drunk driving, and yet kept someone with Furer’s background on his staff.
YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!!
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:04pmSo, do you believe in LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL or are you a republican, because they prove with their votes and platforms, they do not?
US governed by Constitution, not koran, bible or book of mormon. So forget bible passages, they cannot influence Congress or SCOTUS.———————————-
+++++Are republicans really against a fundamental right to privacy?
Do they not believe in liberty and justice for all?
+++++++Why should gay taxpayers be treated differently than anyone else?
Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote the following words :
—The court ruled that Virginia’s anti-miscegenation statute
violated both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause
of the Fourteenth Amendment.
In its decision, the court wrote:
“Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,”
fundamental to our very existence and survival..”
In this case the Court ruled unanimously a state
could not stand in the way of marriage between a
black and white person.
Why should any state
Report Post »be able to stand in the way of civil marriage between
two persons of the same sex,—————– if indeed as said in
Loving v. Virginia, marriage is one of the ‘basic civil rights” of man?
txdave22
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:12pmThose that oppose MARRIAGE EQUALITY are poor in spirit, poor in money, very poor in smarts. Behold:
Microsoft Corp. CEO Steve Ballmer and co-founder Bill Gates have each donated $100,000 to the campaign supporting the state’s new gay marriage law, which faces a referendum vote in November.
Zach Silk, campaign manager for Washington United for Marriage, said Monday that the checks were cut Friday and are being reported to the state Public Disclosure Commission on Monday afternoon.
“It’s going to make a tremendous difference,” Silk said. “It’s very important for us to have that broad support from business leaders and companies themselves.”
Microsoft is just one of several prominent Pacific Northwest businesses that have expressed their support for same-sex marriage, including Starbucks Corp. and Nike Inc.
That $200K will go a long way in the fight to preserve Washington State’s law allowing same-sex couples to marry, but you know what would go even further?
$2 Million. We know you’re good for it, Gates!
The question here is really just, how will NOM type up their angry boycott press release now that they must swear off all Microsoft goods for life?
Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon, gave 2.5 million, and much money given by the gay rich of Silicon Valley, Hollywood, etc.
Sexuality a choice? The experts say no. Think back to teen years, your penis is erect, what were you thinking about? Did you have a choice? I didn’t.
But, the Constitution is c
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:27pmAs surprising — and encouraging — to organizers of the movement are the Wall Street names added to their roster. Prominent among them is Paul Singer, a hedge fund manager who is straight and chairman of the conservative Manhattan Institute. He has donated more than $8 million to various same-sex marriage efforts, in states including California, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York and Oregon, much of it since 2007.
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“It’s become something that gradually people like myself weren’t afraid to fund, weren’t afraid to speak out on,” Mr. Singer said in an interview. “I’m somebody who is philosophically very conservative, and on this issue I thought that this really was important on the basis of liberty and actual family stability.”
The New York fund-raiser was sponsored by Mr. Singer and Mr. Mehlman, among others, and drew a crowd that included Henry R. Kravis, a private equity investor; Daniel S. Loeb, a hedge fund manager; Lewis M. Eisenberg, a former finance chairman for the Republican National Committee; and Steve Schmidt, who managed the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.
Report Post »txdave22
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:28pm“I try to look for places where there is both a financial and political angle,” Mr. Mehlman said. “So the fact that we were able to get prominent Republicans and businesspeople, some of whom were involved before but others who are new, helped in the effort both financially and politically.”
This is on top of a network of wealthy gay men and women who have a history of giving money to philanthropic causes and in recent years have shifted much of their effort to same-sex marriage.
Tim Gill, a billionaire software developer from Colorado, who is gay, has assembled a network that has been likened to a gay version of Emily’s List, which supports female candidates. Mr. Gill’s foundations have distributed over $235 million to gay-related causes, with much going to promote same-sex marriage, his advisers said.
“My husband and I are legally married in some states but obviously not married in others, so that’s a pretty big focus,” Mr. Gill said.
David Bohnett, a co-founder of GeoCities and a gay philanthropist here, has donated more than $4 million over the past 10 years to candidates and organizations supporting same-sex marriage, his advisers said.
And this week, Freedom to Marry, a group that advocates same-sex marriage, announced on Thursday a $3 million fund-raising campaign aimed at winning the five ballot initiatives and pushing the New Jersey Legislature to override the veto by Gov. Chris Christie of a same-sex bill, said Evan Wolfson, the found
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 8:32pm@Midknight,
Report Post »Canards, Mischaracterization, deliberate elision of relevant context, and complete miscomprehension of the point down to the very frame of the debate despite frequent repetition and re-wording is all I seem to get from you.
You inhabit my neologism perfectly: you’re malliterate.
Look, given that an ideal republic is ruled only by laws that are natural, and that the family is the natural basic unit of society, things that naturally harm the family structure should be illegal. Ideally, this is not about a majority question of right or wrong, but rather a question of what’s natural. This is where Santorum muses that things that NO ONE seriously contests the natural illegality of (incest, bigamy, abuse) all belong in the same category of things that harm the family. You caught him adding homosexual acts to that list. Kudos. Yup, Santorum wants to regulate sex then, right? ONLY in that sense! So stop pretending he wants a policeman in every bedroom! That’s not his, mine, or anyone’s opinion.
The more important question, however, is not is it moral–that’s the question even Santorum gets hung up on sometimes–but rather WHO DECIDES.
If you don’t want the force of the fed govt imposing the will of the minority on a matter the Constitution says should be state or local (ie NOT in the Constitution as you proudly repeat), then to your own horror YOU AGREE with SANTORUM too!
Cont…
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 8:51pm@ Midknight,
Report Post »Do you REALLY want to stick by the claim that NO sex acts harm children? Harm adults? Real physical harm? Psychological damage? Rape is a sexual act. Santorum wants to outlaw it. Are you against that too? Of COURSE NOT!
The law MUST discriminate between sex acts in order to MAINTAIN freedom. Freedom from personal damage and lasting mental trauma, not “merely” spiritual.
Even consensual sex has consequences, which people often deny until they’re too real to ignore anymore that can damage relationships and family structures. Adultery being your example.
Now that we’ve established that point, there are two questions pertinent to legality: 1. if consensual homosexual acts fall into that category; 2. if it crosses the line the law should have purchase on.
Even Santorum would admit that he’s got work to do convincing Congress on either of those. Precisely for the reasons you and I AGREE on: namely that it’s an affront to personal liberty to legislate belief. So long as consenting adults want to love someone, the law should have no purchase on them. Even things that harm the family like adultery and divorce, should be the rights of the consenting individuals so that the freedom TO remain faithful without compulsion can exist, for example.
However, by focusing on the individual rights aspect you move the goalposts on the argument. There’s a larger logic at work that you avoid addressing (at all costs, apparently)
Cont…
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:13pmThe larger point is what you have distorted from Kurtz.
Report Post »Gay marriage doesn’t attack an individual instance of real marriage, it attacks the ideal.
Natural laws aren’t merely mechanically attached to nature. There‘s an overarching logic that allows them to reel in humankind’s baser impulses and allows reason and morality to trump selfishness and abuse of power. Artificial laws can erode the efficacity of the overall protections the natural ones offer.
Promoting a new ideal of the institution of marriage as something where the ideal of producing children is not necessarily linked is unnatural and gradually but ultimately moves society writ large in the direction of promoting MORE selfish gratification, and LESS protection for the ideal of the environment children need and deserve. The ideal of family should NOT be one that services selfish desires.
You cite money and infidelity as the causes of divorce, but that MAKES Kurtz’s argument, not yours, because at the root of BOTH is selfishness and materialism, and results from the weakening of the natural ideal society must hold for its own health.
Do you deny that loosening sexual taboos increases infidelity on the whole? Increases abuse on the whole?
You‘re afraid to meet me head on and constantly dodge to the individual level when I’m speaking of ideals on the whole of society. Division isn’t caused by intolerance, it‘s caused by immorality because the wrong can’t stand to be told they’re wrong.
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 10, 2012 at 12:07pm@ HappyStretchedThin
You are such a Homophobic Bigot!
Like most bigots you do not accept it either.
LMAO
You said NO CONSERVATIVE wants to make a law against sexual acts… I prove you wrong. Then you go on a rant about RAPE? You sure jumped the shark you degenerate progressive hack!
You set up strawmen percisely against what I WROTE and attack me on that premise. I sorry you have a limited attention span and pass the blame on to me as changing the words. I have not once changed the position of my stance. Nor is it appropriate of you to fill my words with falsehoods.
I agreed sex with children does damage and should be illegal. I also made it clear that it should be CONSENTING adults. That would directly EXCLUDE rape from a LEGAL act.
You are not being honest with me or the readers of these posts. You are attacking to defend your stance that you are right even at the point of LYING and misdirecting. You obviously have done limited research and only accept what fits your mind frame. That is the definition of IGNORANT.
Also, you are homophobic. You directly point to gays and removal of sexual taboos as the downgrade of society. You also back it up with theories based on opinion not facts. I support information with verifiable DATA. Read Kurtz report and it says just that. Then you use it to defend the family!
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on August 10, 2012 at 12:16pm@ HappyStretchedThin
You really need to read Ayn Rand. ALL HUMANS are driven by SELFISHNESS. Even the religious. You give because it feels good. You do what is right to go to Heaven. It is the pure motivation of humans to be selfish.
It is the basis of capitalism. It works in the confines of HUMAN MECHANICS. LMAO
Rarely, if ever, do people give simply give because it is in their heart. It is also a gift to allow other the freedom to choose beyond that which you would accept yourself.
The real issue is, you are too lazy to promote your values to your kids. You are afraid of the availability of desires that may lead them astray. So you would like to banned it. That my friend is OPPRESSION. So long as a person is not due ill to another by removing right to life, liberty or property they should be in the confound of legality in a SECULAR society. Your are only justifying rights to determine what is moral based on your faith, which many do not share. As I stated, if you can justify that, then it justifies another doing the same to you.
I stand for NEITHER of you doing that to each other. I pray you see the truth and remove the wool from your eyes.
It is each persons responsibility to face temptation. Otherwise, let us make gambling, all drug usage and drinking illegal. Let us not stop there either. Let’s outlaw smoking, fatty foods, salt, and anything that could be consumed in abundance.
Report Post »db1014
Posted on August 11, 2012 at 1:24amMy nephew also was gay. He was killed in an auto accident a number of years ago. The family (not his own parents) could tell he was gay at an early age, around 5-6 years old. He eventually came out to his dad while in college and revealed that he had been repeatedly molested as a child by an uncle who often babysat him and his sisters. Apparnetally, he was the olny target. As a retired school teacher, I’ve had students who turned out to be gay. I had knowledge that some came from homes where child sexual abuse occured. I’ve often wondered if any studies have been showing a link between child sexual abuse and being gay. I personally think the early molestations affect a child’s psyche.
Report Post »vieteravet
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 1:37amIf it were my sonI would do the same thing. My children were brought up to be Christians and defend Christianity. They did a little backsliding, but they’re back! No homos in my immediate family and there are more than 30 of us – so much for the 10% bull.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:24pmWhat‘s The Blaze’s obsession with homosexuality lately?
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MyAgendaIsTruth
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:39amDo you see what everyone has been talking about for the past 2 weeks on TV and all over the net? Chick-fil-A, Gay marriage, gay protests. It’s pushed out news about unemployment, jobs etc.
Report Post »Bot
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:06amWhen same-sex couples seek Our State’s approval and all the benefits that the state reserves for married couples, they impose the law on everyone. According non-marital relationships the same status as marriage would mean that millions of people would be disenfranchised by their own governments. The state would be telling them that their beliefs are no longer valid, and would turn the civil rights laws into a battering ram against them.
Law is not a suggestion, as George Washington observed, “it is force”. An official state sanction of same-sex relationships as “marriage” would bring the full apparatus of the state against those who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. This is outlawing traditional morality.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:42amCause this is the last gasp of the fringe conservatives, this is there Alamo against join the modern world, this is their last stand to be the hateful, small minded bigots.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:47pmCivilizations like Greece, Rome and others were destroyed in large part due to their immoral ways (i.e., homosexual, incestual). America has not paid attention to history so we are walking down a path of repeating it.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 3:26pm@Bot
“According non-marital relationships the same status as marriage would mean that millions of people would be disenfranchised by their own governments. The state would be telling them that their beliefs are no longer valid, and would turn the civil rights laws into a battering ram against them.”
What a load of doo-doo. The government is only interested in secular marriage definitions. Using the US government to promote the validity of ANYONE’S beliefs is not only a clear violation of the Establishment Clause, it is unbiblical. By your statement, if a law was passed banning all marriage, then any Christian married in the church would be committing adultery. Last I checked, my belief rests in God, not Uncle Sam. Perhaps you’re reading a different holy book?
Your second sentence would only be correct if the government specifically outlawed heterosexual marriage. I have not seen one call for that anywhere. Heck, that the US government allows divorce, (which is explicitly forbidden by Jesus Christ except in one specific case) and remarriage (which is ALWAYS forbidden by Jesus Christ), should show you that marriage is secular in our country, not religious.
I suggest you start praying to God and not your government.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:48pmbigot,bigot,bigot,bigot,bigot,bigot,bigot ..isthatallyougot …EINCINOM ?
Report Post »and you call WHO small minded ?
Yahtalmid
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:23pmHate and love are being redefined wrongly. Love is doing what God says, because He is love and everything He says is from love. Hate is refusing to follow God. Love, the way the world defines it, is nothing more than sentiment. It doesn’t last. Homosexuality is hate. Hate for God, mostly. It is a hate crime, a destructive and sterile lifestyle. Homosexuals prove daily that they are creatures of hate by the way they hate anyone who disagrees with them or reminds them that only eternal death awaits those who insist on the behavior.
There is no command from the Word to “love the sinner and hate the sin.” This is a worldly sentiment bought by people who are too cowardly to stand for what God says. We love the sinner by insisting they cease hating, and turn away from a deadly life choice. It would not be love to want a person to continue destroying themselves, anymore than it would be love to allow a person to commit suicide if he or she could be stopped. Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness.
This dad did the best thing he could do and it is according to Scripture – “remove the evil from your midst.” Hopefully this action will help the son realize the error of his ways and repent. Then family relationships could be restored. It is the same way with God. We do not dictate to Him what He should accept and what He shouldn’t. It is up to us to accommodate our lives to His ways. He will not restore fellowship with any person unless they repent. True love would do no les
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:31pmGood comment, well put.
Report Post »noesterdamos
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:42pmVery well put Sir or Ma’am, Jesus did say however to Love God with all your mind, body, soul and spirit and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:05amJohn 3:17 – Love of God
Philippians 2:4 – Others Minded
Galatians 6:10 – Do Good to All
Matthew 5:13-16 – Salt and Light
Hebrews 6:10 – God does not overlook the work you do
Galatians 6:2 -Bearing the Burdens of Others
John 13:34-35 – All about Love
You are not only a deceiver filled with hated and falsehood because of your disgusting hatred for your fellow man, but you violate the final verse of your Bible, which is to change the words to fit your views.
Christ would not abandon anyone, for any reason you are either lazy and do not want to live to serve man or your are to filled with hate (Satan’s tool) to see this, your other comment about how this man did the right thing was foul, despicable, unchristian AND un-American.
This is not a good comment, you do a disservice to all people of great faith.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:29amGod does not turn his back on people because of their sin, he may allow them to suffer the consequences, but he won’t just leave you to your own devices. I’m SO tired of people making God into some angry and vengeful God. And like God does not turn his back on us, we should not turn our backs on our own, even if we do not agree with their lifestyle choices. You never know if you keep witnessing to someone when the seed will finally grow. How can you keep sharing Jesus with someone when you cut them out of your life?! And isn’t the point to share Jesus with other?
Report Post »Yahtalmid
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:34amThank you. It’s sir. And I agree that we “love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:10, fulfilling means to ‘fill up full’). Wrong is defined clearly by God. Mercy is given to us by God for our sins if we accept the payment provided, which is the blood of His only begotten son Jesus the Christ. He does not merely overlook or wink at sin. We relay His mercy to our neighbors in the same way He gives it to us. If they want a glass of water I will give it to them. If they are injured, I will help them as best I can. But if they think the can flaunt their hateful, unrepentant behavior and remain in my family, that’s not going to happen. My hope would be that the experience of being disowned would be a taste of what is ultimately coming, they would decide they wouldn’t want that, and repent. So if giving them a little peek at their doom will help them see and embrace the light, it is worth it. If the artificial consequence of being cast out of the family helps them avoid the natural consequences of disease or being cast out of God’s kingdom, I would be ecstatic. Like the father of the prodigal son I would welcome him or her back home with a fatted calf barbecue of joy and thanks.
Report Post »Yahtalmid
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:59amPrincessnutsack – nice username. I can tell you are a paragon of virtue and would never mis-define or misquote God’s Word. God doesn’t turn His back – “I spread out may hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, following their own devices; a people who provoke me continually, all day long…” (Isaiah 65). We turn our backs. I don‘t say He’s an angry and vengeful God, He does. If we don’t do what He says we are not loving, plain and simple.
Robbie – You need to review the whole of the Word, not just your favorite 16 verses, twisted to say what you want instead of what God means. The same book you quote says that “they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and the did not repent of their deeds.” (Rev. 16:11) And also, “Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.” (Rev. 22:15)
“Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.” (1 Cor. 6:18-20)
Report Post »Von Romig
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:06amTo RobbieTLHughie
Wrong. On so many levels. Sin is sin. Would you say the same if the person commit murder on a regular basis? You are bargaining with God if you think some sins are less offensive. God told us to ‘remove evil from our midst’ because He knows evil corrupts. Homosexuality is a perversion of the flesh, no different than those who find sexual gratification with animals, the dead, or handbags. The very idea of calling it a lifestyle is nothing more than a ploy of the wicked to hide their sin behind words of the World.
A hundred years ago the very idea of gays getting married would be unthinkable. The way the morals of this world is going, by forced acceptance, a hundred years from now the people may be debating the legal marriage and free sex with animals or children. Think that sounds insane? The pedophiles already have a pseudo-political group established; NAMBLA
So don’t get on your high horse, ‘quote’ a bunch of Bible verses about loving each other, and think that in some way means we are to embrace or accept evil. We are to love each other, to bring each other closer to God. Not to blacken our own hearts with the evil of evildoers by accepting their sins. Christian love towards a gay is bring him back into the loving arms of God and away from the sin that sentences him to an eternity of punishment.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:03amYAHTALMID — your words sound an abused spouse covering for her abuser.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery.
Report Post »JonSigMan
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:58am@ YAHTALMID
Very well stated. Directed at your first post, but applies equally to all of them. God has blessed you with great discernment. I’ve never been able to understand how these simple truths seem to escape so many intelligent people. It‘s as if they believe it’s best to rewrite the instructions while they’re assembling the bicycle on Christmas Eve…and don’t even own a simple set of tools. A bit insane if you ask me. Much easier to read the instructions once or twice, and then follow them as written, and as what you think they might say.
Report Post »Zakolev
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:05amBecause God just banished us from himself and didn’t try to bring us back into the fold. Yep, he just sat back and said away from me evil ones. Didn’t make himself human, come down and die in a nasty way to repair our mistakes… No, didn’t do that at all.
God stepped down to our level, spent time with the worse sinners of that day and community and tried to bring them back from the brink. Don’t hate. It’s the simplest and hardest freaking commandment.
Report Post »mopman64
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:09amThe old testament does not show much of a god is all love and puppies and rainbows. Not it shows more of a turn you to stone type of god. So which is it?
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:40amYou really cannot decide what kind of Christian you want to be? You didn’t counter my posts with anything but Bible verses confirming *YOUR* beliefs. Look at yourself, sir or ma’am and not at me. Those are not my favorite Bible verses, those are verses in The Bible you claim to support and believe. You are denigrating your own Bible.
God, Christ and all would be appalled at the abandonment of one’s son. Despicable.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:42amMany of us seem to share a different view of The Bible, but I am not the one who is disowning my fellow man over whom they love. Y’all can keep your high horse, maybe if you get high enough you won‘t be able to see all of us anymore and you’ll mind your own damn business.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:44amThe very simple fact is that The Bible is one of histories most notorious pieces of literature when it comes to understanding it because at times it has multiple contradictions on the same page, never mind Old and New Testaments.
But if Christ is not love and charity and this is what you believe, I submit to you that you‘re the one’s twisting your words for your own heinous and powerful hatred for your fellow man.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:51amContrary to what Robbie..whatever has claimed, I agree with you. We are to shun evil and cling to that which is good.The Apostle Paul wrote to one of the early churches that they should disassociate themselves from the man who was screwing his mother-in-law and put him out of the church. The purpose was to shame the man and perhaps bring him to repentance for his deeds. If we as a society were to stop condoning homosexual behavior there would be less of this curse in our country.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:53amYahTalmid,
I also appreciate your comments so succinct and accurate.
The world today is very eager to accept the proliferation of sin and willing to accept the consequences of it with the arrogance and determination of the insane.
I will look for your future presence here with anticipation.
Report Post »Edward
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:58amJesus ministered to the lowest of society. I know the life of Jesus is a prime example of loving the sinner.
Report Post »RobbieTLHughie
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:00amUnbelievable, I hope your fellow Christians are praying for you all, ’cause you need it. That one would abandon his own son because of this is unbelievably sad and that the people here would support it… I guess I should have seen that coming.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:06amVon Romig,
Yours is also a great comment. So glad to see some thoughtfulness here on the Blaze. Most of the time I marvel at the lack of maturity on the part of many a commentator, they make their cute or sarcastic comments which only embarrass themselves.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:11amExactly what I was thinking, couldn’t have said it better my self.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:13am@Mopman the point of strict old testament laws were so that Israel could grow and flourish and the Messiah could come through it that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life. Calling God tyrannical in the old testament is like calling a parent who has strict rules for their small children a tyrant.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:23amWhat you say is true. The harshness of truth is still truth.This whole thing makes me sad. Their screams for equality will not work in the next life, the beginning of our next life starts with judgement from a mercifull and loving God. To earn His mercy for our imperfect selves we have to strive to live his commandments, and follow the Savior the best we can. We all fail, and except for mercy we would be lost. By saying nothing to these peope to turn to God and give up sin (all sin is sin but some are tougher to repent of) we are making a mistake. In the last few months of my co-workers life (full blown aids) we talked a lot, I became his friend, and told him that repentence is never to late. He thought God had abandoned him for his behavior with drugs and sex. I told him he was a loved child of god, who never wanted his life to be what it was and to seek his love and forgiveness. His last few months though horribly hard were the first he had known any kind of peace since a child. The key here is he felt he was unloved by God. My cousin shot herself because she couldn’t work out her relationship with God and her lifestyle. Ther is nothing good about this, and I believe the father could not watch his son go down this destructive road, it was easier for him to have no contact than see it. It was his right, wherther I agree or not. We all handle things the best we can. Harder for some than others, I can’t condem the dad.
Report Post »termyt
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:55amWonderfully said and defended, Yahtalmid. As a parent instructs a child in behavior, God paints a broad picture as a guideline – a model for us to follow.
It is not because He is a tyrant or because He hates or would abandon any of us. It is because He loves us. Since He loves us, He wants what is best for us and instructs us on how to live a lifestyle, not just because it pleases Him, but because it is the path to living in peace with each other and Him.
We each chose separation from God, but time and again He reaches out us to bring us back. We only need to respond to Him. However, continued rejection ultimately ends in permanent separation.
There is sin in my life that hes separated me from God. I respond to God by rejecting my own sin and working toward reflecting God’s love and character. Even so, I continue to sin. I choose what I know is wrong even though I desire to do what is right. It’s not the sin that condemns anyone, for God’s mercy is greater. It’s the refusal to acknowledge it and instead condemning God for defining it that ends in permanent separation from God.
Please, Robbie – if you are truly interested instead of just cherry picking the scriptures to try to make Christians seem silly, check out the book of Romans.
Report Post »watchmanwatch
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:57amVery Well Put…
I do believe we are here to please FATHER and to abide by his word and commandments. I do not believe you are born a homosexual person no more than you are born an adulterer, thief, etc. it is a matter of choice and to choose to not follow FATHER and to do everything in your power to NOT give him the pleasure of his children loving HIM and wanting to please him to me is a sin… I do know there are facts of nature like hermaphrodites, etc. and that is an exception to the rule; but many are bi/gay and cannot make up their mind what sexual role they want to play; that is just perverted and not what our FATHER wants from us; it is not natural as if it were we would have died out as a species many thousands of years ago… just not natural and GOD is super-natural…I love FATHER and want to please him in my actions here this go around… HE had too many children not please him in the 1st earth age; now we have the choice to make it right and to turn our back on the ONE that gave us life itself is a shame. To me I know it would be so very hard for the man to tell his child this; but tough love may get the young mans attention. If not maybe he will learn in the Millenium???
Praise Be to GOD…
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:34pm@ YAHTALMID….While homosexuality is hatred toward God, I would say all sin is hatred toward God. While there is no specific command to “love the sinner, hate the sin” there are also no command to disassociate from an unbeliever. While we are most definitely to be the salt and light of the Earth and proclaim the righteousness and full consel of God including speaking against immoral behavior of all types, disassociation is a disciplinary act to occur among professing believers within the church community (1 Co5). I can have, to some degree, relationships with unbelievers without rejoicing in their lifestyles just as Jesus ate with prostitutes and thieves. It was the heart of a Pharisee that condemned him for such action. Was he guilty of not removing the evil before him? I could easily say “an eye for an eye”, from the same law you quoted from , but Jesus had a greater teaching, that of forgiveness and mercy. So the verse you used to justify the actions of this father is not a proper exegesis of the context of the verse in lew of the NT teaching of Jesus Christ that brought a greater teaching. Now does this mean we don’t confront this sin in love? Of course not. With regard to our relationship with God, He the offended has pursued the offender. Paul agrees with me when he states we are to judge those in the church, but God is to judge those outside. This doesn‘t mean we don’t confront their sin but we cannot disassociate unless we leave the world. Thank y
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:08pm@ YAHTALMID…..”But if they think the can flaunt their hateful, unrepentant behavior and remain in my family, that’s not going to happen”….Did David flaunt his adultery and murder for a year before repenting? Was he in God’s family. Did Lot not remain in Sodom and have to be physically removed by angels and later involved in incest? Was he in God’s family? Did Sampson sleep with a prostitute and take a Philistine wife? Was he in God’s family? Did Hosea not have to marry a harlot and then take her back after being unfaithful? Was he in God’s family? Were these not all instances that involved sexual immorality in one way or another? The story of the Prodigal was not the father getting rid of the son, it was the son getting rid of the father and the father always lQQking for the son, who then received him quickly upon his return. Ironically enough the main point of the story for Jesus’ audience was the elder brother who had contempt for the grace the father shown to the prodigal son. We must be very careful that we avoid the spirit of the elder brother in dealing with those who are lost and in the far country. Thank you for your time and consideration……
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 4:45pmYo Sleazysother:
You beat me to the punch concerning your responce to YAHTALMID and the prodical son. I alluded to this also in a post above. We need not travel any futher than the cross where Jesus died for us WHILE WE WERE STILL YET SINNERS, I am not sure what many are looking at that they can walk right past the cross. Not one person would enter the Kingdom if our FATHER did as this father did. This father needs as much maybe more prayer that the son … seems the father has forgotten that righteousness does not come from self and his pride rules over him. I do not put myself above others, but it is sad to see many of the responces that “christians” have made agreeing with this fathers actions. I work with teens ( believe I mentioned this to you previously) I would tell them and meant it that there was NOTHING, NOTHING that they could do that would stop my love for them. The only reason that I can truly say that is because of who I know I am ( undeserving) and the Spirit inside me. The church in America needs much work … we should not be the evidence of His mercy so much as His grace, for this grace would bring Him glory … unforgiving hearts do not glorify God. Mercy should drive us to be merciful not slam doors shut. In fact scripture say if we don’t forgive we will NOT be forgiven …peace
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 10:25pm@ 4TRUTH…..Amen my friend. I lQQk to how Jesus walked with sinners when he was on earth to see how we should respond to situations like these. When I see that he ate with the prostitutes and thieves (the untouchables as far as the religious were concerned beause of their immoral lifestyle) I am bewildered how some could think we should disassociate from those who do not know Christ because they are in sin.
11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. 1 Co 5 seems pretty clear to me.
We don’t have to condone their actions, but we must remember that they are worth Jesus to God and one of the most effective ways to share the gospel of Jesus is to love like Jesus. The context of a relationship is the best foundation to share the truth with someone about their choices. The bottom line is that there is absolutely NO biblical doctrine or command that we are to separate or disassociate from unbelievers because of their behavior. Good to hear from you TRUTH you have a blessed weekend……
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on August 10, 2012 at 7:20amThanks … you to
Report Post »Quagaar Warrior
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Report Post »I know this question will sound a bit harsh but it is a legitimate one:
If the father had known that his son would turn out this way, do you think he would have suggested to his wife that she follow the advice of Family Planning and get a gender-based abortion, (or a transgender-based abortion or whatever they’d call it), and have it aborted?
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ICRedifURBlue
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:44pmIF there was a “Gay” gene and it could be detected invitro………would YOU have the test done, and if it was positive what would you do??…………
Report Post »Bucky_1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:52pmNo, for father wanting an abortion for a gay baby. Christians don’t believe in that.
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:00amICRedifURBlue
Report Post »Fortunately, since there is no such thing as a “gay gene” (parents of gay children love the term), an invetro test is unnecessary, Simply keep your son away from homosexual men until he can experience a gratifying, sexually stimulating, heterosexual experience.
Quagaar Warrior
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Report Post »Hey incredifurblue,
By your own submission, there IS no “Gay” gene. It’s never been proven. Homosexuality is a perverted sexual “Choice” that goes against ALL that is natural. Until the day comes when it’s PROVEN beyond ALL doubt, I’m not going to fall pray to your pathetic attempt to pull me down into your perverted sexual gutter for a debate based on IFs!!!
I don‘t hate gay’s, but I do hate their “HYPOCRITCAL” intolerance of others who’s opinions differ with theirs! Gays scream for tolerance from the highest mountain tops yet promote hatred and violence against anyone who disagrees with them. CHICK-FIL-A, anyone? (Try their sandwiches, GREAT STUFF)!!!
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AmericanFightingMan1
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:17amTo kill a precious baby is to abandon all hope when hope and potential exist with every human. It is the epitomy of unholy anger to predispose a person to a pre-ordained outcome. No person is destined to be of one result. Hope exists with all life. To play God and deny life is murder.
There is no gay gene, IMHO. If there is a gene that gives one that tendency, then that is that person’s challenge in life to overcome. Death before life has a chance removes that chance to be right with God.
It is murder for a human to remove another person’s opportunity for life by killing them in the womb.
Report Post »pdw
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:26amI do not think they would need a reason to abort a child more than they do not want the responsibility for their own actions. Yes! a lot of people would abort for a lot less reason or no reason as they do now.
Report Post »raybojabo
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:26amIf indeed a gay gene were discovered, and could be identified invitro it would be very interesting to observe how the libturds’ opinion would evolve concerning their unconditional support for abortion on demand.
Report Post »CptStubbing
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:23amWho cares if there is a gay gene? Doctors say Alcoholism is genetic. Does that mean you have to become an alcoholic? Of course not. A genetic predisposition doesn’t define you. Unless your “homosexual”
BTW Psychologists are now saying pedophilia may be genetic and those people don’t have a choice. Does that mean we will soon be accepting pedophilia?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/has-the-normalizing-of-pedophilia-begun/
Report Post »Commander8080
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:03pm1) Abortion is always wrong. It is killing innocents.
Report Post »2) You are treating it like a disease and not a choice to sin or not to sin.
VRW Conspirator
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:47pmAs I stated already in reply to another post….Genetics can predispose you to have a hormonal imbalance AGAINST your gender…men with too much estrogen and progesterone and women with too much testosterone….but there is NO gay gene…NO gene that says…“ you like to have sex with someone of the same gender”…NO genetic marker that will tell if you will engage in an unnatural sex act.
Sex serves only TWO purposes in nature… 1) Reproduction and survival of the species 2) Domination – any animal that “gay rights” people point to that they claim engages in homosexual behavior…it is ALWAYS male on male and ALWAYS so that one male can force the other to submit… NO fluid is exchanged NOR is their penetration…just like a dog humping your leg…
For whatever reason you choose to be gay – molestation or abuse, grooming by a Pedophile (most first gay encounters are with adults on a minor), or simply acting on the attraction brought on by the hormonal imbalance….that ALONE does not make you a SINNER!
Report Post »The SIN comes from ENGAGING in the behavior of homosexual sex. God LOVES us all and that LOVE means caring for us and also punishing us when we go against Him, like any good parent does to their children.
I know a few gays that are open about it but also CELEBATE! They are Christians and obey the Word of God by be chaste and sinless by not engaging in sexual relations with anyone outside of marriage.
wakeus
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:15pmDon’t believe everything you read on the Internet.
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:21pmThat letter reflects a situation that has torn apart a family.
The things that are, are what they are.
They are that way because of the way things are.
Some people have a code they live by and if a son leaves that code of conduct, consequences are suffered by all those involved.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:25pmI think this is written by White Liberal Trash and has not happened. A made up story. Now his dad may have kicked his leftest ass out of the house. Probably laid around complaining that he can’t find a good good, cause they college he went to wasn’t any good.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:27pmSo should I not believe your post, or is this a trick……ahhhh…..so if you say don’t believe it, should I believe it, or believe you and not believe it????????
Besides, I recognize that handwriting, it looks a lot like Justin Beibers dads writing. Not that there is anything wrong with being gay, or being a homophobe, I say live and let live, unless of course I don’t agree with you, then all bets are off.
The heck with this, I feel like getting some tasty chicken and waffle fries. I think this is what Kahn meant when he said Revenge is a dish best served Spicy, with fries. (and a strawberry shake).
Report Post »zorro
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:09amI’m not buying it either. It’s too easy to make crap like this up. I could write a letter of how “undersatnding” and “tolerant” a father is. And you know what? They’re not going to buy it either.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:14pmWith all the faked assaults on gays, I wonder if this is another attempt to get the population to embrace homosexuality.
Report Post »dixie63
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:12amThat was my first thought, another incident faked by the sodomite/lesbian crowd. They have cried wolf so many times, it is hard to believe anything they say.
Report Post »Zakolev
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:22amWe have seen the left fake all sorts of things in the past. I could see one of them doing something like this because of how horrible it appears. At the same time, I knew a couple at my old Church who kicked out their gay son. Sometimes these things happen and then the family reunites to some degree. I can imagine it can be very painful for a parent to find out their kid is gay.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:13pmWould a father be judged similarly for disowning his Conservative, Newly Born-Again Christian son? Or would that be none of our business?
Report Post »donewithit
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:12pmI call BS on it
Report Post »TommyGuns
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:11pmIf sexuality is genetic, as some people believe [they have not yet found the so-called gay gene], and if this father knew his wife was carrying a gay son, I wonder if he would have insisted on, or condoned, an abortion. He seems to be a very right wing Christian who believes that being gay, without more, is a sin. Seems odd to me. On the other hand, as someone already pointed out, if being gay is a life choice, then where is the failure to socially adapt to the accepted norm? Is it an example of poor or inadequate parenting? Perhaps it’s a psychological need to identify as gay. I mean, who wouldn’t want to choose a lifestyle where you are discriminated against, held up to ridicule and scorn, and the object of hate crime? Then there is the simple solution to the problem. If you want fewer gays, then straight parernts need to stop having gay children.
Report Post »neiman1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:11pmIf you think telling your Dad your gay is a tough duty…… think about a Dad telling his sons…. Life is full of tough trials….. but family is family.
Report Post »Jeffriesboys
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:10pmI agree with the previous posts. This is supposedly from 5 years ago. Why now? How do we know what other history exists between father and son? How do we know this is a real letter? Hate to be skeptical, but you know the pin by Abraham Lincoln about how you can’t believe everything you see on the internet.
Second, how very sad. This isn’t at all what Christ commands us. We have been commanded to love the sinner while hating the sin. Seriously hard stuff. To not be mean, hateful, but to love while NOT condoning behavior contrary to God’s Word. I feel sorry for both father and son. Both are suffering from the effects of hate and bitterness. The dad is to be pitied. If he is living with such hatred, then he is to be pitied. The rest of his life can’t be pleasant.
Dear Lesbian Packing Hollow Points – if this is the only kind of Christian you have run across, I am sorry for you as well. If it is just your perception from what you have “Read”, then you are sadly mistaken. You should come hang out with the Christians I know. We are a fun, loving group. We don’t believe that homosexuality is acceptable, but that doesn’t mean we use it as an excuse to act badly.
Report Post »neiman1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:09pmWhere do you start?
This is the problem with using the idea that being gay is a choice. This is the problem in pretending being gay is a sin.
No one chooses to be straight so no one chooses to be gay. Some gays hide it well for a long time but eventually you are revealed for who you are.
Look at the one year old in the crib. Are you only going to love him if he is straight? Will you only love him if he lives a Christian life as you see fit? Will you only love him if he does what he is told?
Love transcends everything. It is your son. You don’t have to understand what he is. You don’t have to be happy with who he is. You do have to love who he is.
People like this father are not to be hated. They are to be pitied. Any father that can disregard his son and not understand how the father just failed the son is to be pitied. The father has failed. Not the son. The father has failed to understand his role in life. The father is to love unconditionally. I think the love of a father is the example God uses to explain his love for man.
Do you really think God only love those that end up being perfect? Do you think God only loved Jesus and hates the rest of us for falling short? Would God have sent Jesus to save the world if man hadn’t already failed to live up to his ideal?
Maybe this father should lose the hate and the judgement and be what God used as the example. Maybe he should just have the unconditional love expected of a fathe
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:23pmYou do not understand love.
You do not understand sex.
You do not understand religion.
You do not understand politics.
You do not understand nature, science or history.
You also do not understand cultural-warfare.
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Boo-hoo
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:39pmI don’t think the Judeo/Christian deity is under any obligation to accept anyone into his “house” no matter how they act and conduct themselves. If I remember the scripture correctly the “Father” deity has very specific codes of conduct that the adherents must follow to get acceptance into his “kingdom”. In the same vein, this father should not be under any obligation to accept, associate with, or condone and support a life style he finds morally repugnant. Cutting ties with a wayward offspring is far better than some cultures that would demand the son’s death.
Report Post »1_Smoot_Tall
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:45pm“Wherefore
GOD ALSO GAVE THEM UP
to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause
GOD GAVE THEM UP
unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
GOD GAVE THEM OVER
to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS,
without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are
WORTHY OF DEATH*,
not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
New Testament | Romans 1:24 – 32
*But we now have laws to prevent punitive measures decreed by God – so the reprobates and atheists should be glad it’s only a disown
Report Post »buzzkill59
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 5:50am1st)Homosexuality IS a sin!God says so!In fact He says it’s an abomination!
Report Post »2nd)This father made a very difficult decision which I’m not sure I would have been able to do myself had the need arose!Thinking about Jesus at the well with Mary tells me we should confront the sin but love the sinner.Jesus told her to go and sin no more.What if she had said mind your own business?What would He have said then?Get thee behind me Satan? I don’t know!However I do know that God will be the final arbiter and not you or I(thankfully). If the father was right in God’s eyes,then your blanket condemnation would be just as sinful! In any case the best thing any of us can do is pray for wisdom,courage,strength,and discernment for us and this father and son!
3rd)God doesn’t expect us to be perfect!He knows we’re not!That’s why He sent Jesus as a sacrifice to pay for our sins!His way of perfecting us and bringing us back to Him!
conservative beckhater
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:57amAnyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice must have the desire for having gay sex but they simply choose not to.
Religion is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the human species. You people that buy into it are being fooled. Geography, physics, chemistry, biology, genetics, hygiene, mathmatics – who had it right? Us or people who lived 3-4 thousand years ago? It doesn‘t make any sense to believe what ancient ignorant people believed about the supernatural when they didn’t even have the most basic understandings of why the world is as it is.
This man’s father is wrong. He’s also delusional, confused and extremely selfish. This is really sad.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:24am@conservative beckhater—-You are a stalker.
Report Post »bumpkin
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:49pmMay I be so bold as to disagree? I have been approached by both men AND women, and in choosing my choices, I am proud to say I had to make a choice. Remember, some people are Bisexual. They will fornicate with anything, essentially. This would indicate that there IS a choice, merely because they made no choice. I chose to uphold GOD’s laws and not fornicate outside of marriage, and when I married, I chose to be heterosexual. I maintain there IS a choice. I made that choice, more than once, (I’m consistent, if nothing else, )and I seriously doubt that I am the only one who has ever been faced with that choice, or with choosing to act upon those choices or to not act.
Report Post »Misha
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:09pmReally stupid. How many hoaxes does the gay community need to pull? Lesbians carving themselves, gay guy beating himself, someone writes a note and blames it on his/her dad…..blah, blah, blah. I don’t care.
Report Post »WatchingAmericaDie
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:08pmHomosexuals are not “gay”, they are “queer.” When is the Blaze going to get this right?
Report Post »kansas hawks 3
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:23pmLike.
Report Post »I Fly Low
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:35pmI concur
Report Post »Thank you.
amtsoundsmith
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:53pmWhat about heterophobic?
Report Post »Texaskid2
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:40amExactly…it is terrible the homosexuals took a good word and destroyed the meaning. I do not use the word gay when referring to homosexuals.
Report Post »I Fly Low
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:07pmMy dad ( tail gunner in a B-17 and of the greatest generation ) felt the same way when his son from a previous marriage turned gueer around age 40. I have never seen my dad hurt so bad. Instead of having respect for dad and keeping it to himself, he selfishly waved it in his face like a damn *** flag.
Report Post »Watchingtheweasels
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:01am>Instead of having respect for dad and keeping it to himself, he selfishly waved it in his face like a damn
>*** flag.
They do seem to have a tendency to do that, don’t they. In general, I find nothing wrong with this letter. People need to realize that it is homosexuality, not just the farce of homosexual marriage that is one of the worst sins a human can commit.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:04amSorry that your dad was hurt that bad. But the LGBT community lives in an echo chamber. Your 1/2 brother probably was caught up in the hate.
Report Post »FrankWhite
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:18pmYour dad sounds like the selfish one in that scenario. He cares more about his happiness and ideals then the happiness and ideals of his own son.
Report Post »marine249
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:07pmDo you think REGBARC’S pulling Missoula Mt story?
Report Post »JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:06pm@LESBIAN PACKING CRAP//// Dear *****, go kiss your girl friend at some gay rights parade and leave decent people alone.Have a nice life and hope to not hear from you again. If you really need somebody to appreciate you then you want to go to MSNBC or Whitehouse.gov I’m sure they would love to hear from you!
Report Post »TommyGuns
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:15pmAs they say, opinions are like a–holes. Everybody has one. Your hate does you and your point of view a great disservice. Is this not a place where everyone has the right to express an opinion? Or is it only a place where certain people get to weigh in on a topic? You are a hateful person and, very likely, a waste of good carbon molecules!
Report Post »Jeffriesboys
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:03pmPlease do not lump all Christians in with this gentleman. On top of that, you don’t know the history, what his son has and has not done. We don’t even know if this is real. In this day and age, you don’t know if this was written by his son and presented as from his father.
If it is from a father to his son then I am sorry for both of them. I can’t imagine that this was written lightly or easily. It must have hurt his son beyond belief. However misguided this is, it represents a tear in the family. This is NOT what Christ commands us to do. The bitterness and pain have not only torn this family apart, but must make day to day life very painful as well.
This man isn’t to be hated, but to be pitied. Not only did he lose his son, but imagine what a small god he serves. My God commands us to love the sinner while rejecting the sin. It means never acting in hate, but never wavering on what sin is. It is a tough commandment. But in Christ all things are possible.
Ms. Lesbian Packing Hollow Points. I am sorry if this represents the “christians” you know. I can assure you it doesn’t represent those I know.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:08pmThis man is a Christian and is echoing the actions of the CEO of CFA, the teaching of Pat Robinson and other Televangelist, of the typical Blaze poster. Christians preach hate and defend their bigotry with the bible.
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:21pmencinom
Report Post »You should take a copy of this post to your next NAMBLA meeting. I’m sure your pals would enjoy it.
Thoughtfully Grounded
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:32pm@Encimom – I am sorry that you believe that Christianity preaches hate. I would say that you have not read the New Testament, however, I am sure that you will say that you have. Jesus’ teaching boils down to two things: “Love God” and “Love others”
I think where the disconnect occurs is the supposition that to “love others” means to wholly accept whom a person is or what they have chosen to be. To love someone means to accept someone despite who they are or what they have become.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:43pmTHOUGHTFUL, I know your heart’s in the right place, but understand something about ENCIDIOT (and Lefty, Militant Atheists like him): He DESPISES you. He revels in Viciously Mocking you. He actively HOPES THAT HARM WILL COME TO YOU. Don’t waste your time with anything other than fighting Fire with Fire in cases like this. Know thy enemy.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:02amEncinom, Gore Vidal died recently. You can take his place & be the one NAMBLA look up to.
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:10amencinom -
Don’t waste your time with these social cons. You can see the love of God in the posts here — there all about love and tolerance until it does not fit their agenda — just like a modern day liberal, which I think you are.
Report Post »God_Is_Not
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:36pmThe father didn’t lose his son. He rejected his son. The son lost his father.
Report Post »SkiNWa
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 3:47am….We don’t even know if this is real. In this day and age, you don’t know if this was written by his son and presented as from his father. — This still gives us an opportunity to express our world views and how our religion is reflected in it.
If it is from a father to his son then I am sorry for both of them. I can’t imagine that this was written lightly or easily. It must have hurt his son beyond belief. — Can you imagine the heartache, tears, crying and praying on his knees that the father went through before he sat down and wrote this letter of love and discipline to his wayward son? However misguided this is, it represents a tear in the family. This is NOT what Christ commands us to do. The bitterness and pain have not only torn this family apart, but must make day to day life very painful as well. —Life IS PAIN. But God is love and truth.
This man isn’t to be hated, but to be pitied. Not only did he lose his son, but imagine what a small god he serves. My God commands us to love the sinner while rejecting the sin. —WRONG God HATES SIN. He is a vengeful God. Christ died and took our sins upon himself to make us justified in the eyes of god — It means never acting in hate, but never wavering on what sin is. It is a tough commandment. But in Christ all things are possible. —This is not an act of hate, but of love. This father loves his son and wants him back with his family, living his life according to the laws of God.
Report Post »PRRedlin
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:59pmWhat kind of father could disown his son for any reason? To choose what some nomadic sheep herders wrote thousands of years ago over the love for his own son is disgusting. I don’t care what you beleive, but you stand by your children no matter what.
If people are born gay, then god has made them that way. If they are not born gay, then how can the father blame the child? Should he not blame himself?
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:06pmWell, if I were Hitler’s father, I might be willing to disown him. The rest of your statement I‘m not going to comment on since I’m not up to debate at this time.
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:11pmDid God make him gay or was the homosexual predator looking for a “twink” that disrupted the natural heterosexual sex drive?
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:17pmWhat kind of Father? Oh, I don’t know, how about a Muslim father? Wait, that’s right a Muslim father would have “honor-killed” his son instead.
Report Post »kansas hawks 3
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:21pm@prredlin. I don’t know where you got your information but God has NEVER made a mistake on anything he has made and he made one man and one women……. so perhaps you need an update on what God did. There is so much to say but most likely it will be way over your head so go read and try to understand what God is really about.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:59pmHuh? A letter (supposedly) written by a father to his son five years ago? What is the significance?
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:55pmExactly.
Report Post »Kupo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:58pmI think this is disgusting. No matter that your son has done you shouldn’t abandon them like this. Even if your daughter or son is on death row for murder your parents should still be there for you.
Report Post »dmforman
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:23pmWe don’t know the entire story, so passing judgement makes us no better than the media that jumps to conclusion without knowing the facts. I see the person putting this private letter in the open, no better than his father.
Not all Christians feel the way that father who presumably wrote the letter does, but he is entitled to his beliefs, just as I am to my own beliefs.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:59pmYep. Clearest case for judgement I’ve seen so far.
Report Post »MSrebel
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 9:54pmWhy? Your thinking is skewed, isn’t it? Every criminal, every gay pervert is someone’s child. Does a father or mother have to divorce themselves of all moral clarity in order to show love for their child? Must a mature reasoned adult have to capitulate to the ever-changing social attitudes to be acceptable to you. Laws are written to provide clarity. Do we just discount a law that we don’t agree with? (This administration does, but I mean a real citizen.) Social laws, laws of nature are laws; nonetheless. Does my perverted son (if I had one) get to tell me that I must accept his perversion, for him to love me? It’s the same logic, isn’t it? Right is right, wrong is wrong. There are absolutes; and homosexuality is absolutely wrong at every level. If my son walks away to the dark side, I’m not following. Condoning wrongdoing is why this world is in the toilet already, moral obfiscation and situational ethics has cast doubt on society and left our youth confused and exploited. This father should be applauded for his strength, integrity and honor to principles. When his son stops his filth, I’m sure he will be welcomed back. It was after all, the son’s choice.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:56pmIt is a shame that a father can not love his son regardless of his life choices. Jesus commands us to love not to judge and to forgive not to shun anyone let alone our own flesh and blood. This man makes a terrible mistake and will be judged for it. We are called to unity in spite of our diversity, love in spite of insult and forgivness in spite of our pain.
Report Post »almont
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:04pmWould you provide the scriptures please.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:34pmI’m really tired of people telling Christians what our Book says when they have no idea what it say. Yeshua never instructed us not to judge. Yeshua came to fullfill the law not to destroy the law. My heart goes to those who struggle with their sexuality and live in misery. Hold it a minute!!! Gays have the highest suicide rate of all people. Ifs it such an wonderful life style why do so many of these people die by their own hands.. May Yeshua grant Paradise to ALL SUICIDES. I pray that people will stop telling we Christians what we should be doing, and when we tell them what they should be doing they break down cry and throw a hissy fit.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:23amWhat do you think is love
Report Post »a. Accepting someones lifestyle, with full knowledge that it will eternally damn them so you can seem nice and tolerant.
b. Tell them that their lifestyle will get them eternally damned and that they need Jesus, even at the stake of losing friends and being harassed/called a bigot.
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” Mark 13:13
vieteravet
Posted on August 12, 2012 at 1:45amRead Paul’s letters to the Corinthians, he talks about removing unrepentant sinners from the church.
Report Post »Shadowangel
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:55pmVery sad. I feel sorry for the son obviously, but also for the dad, who by choice, just lost a son. I wish you the best James, and I‘m sorry your dad couldn’t understand.
Report Post »almont
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:02pmMaybe the son doesn’t understand.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:11pmChristiany and Christians are proving that its a religion of hate for the small minded.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:29pmENCIDIOT, One can only imagine what kind of treatment you would find acceptable for a Tolerant, Open Minded Atheist like yourself to exhibit to a child (or anyone else for that matter) who is a Staunchly Conservative Born-Again Christian. Something tells me that your high-road “morality” would suddenly become somewhat more “flexible”.
Report Post »Shadowangel
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:36pmAlmont, I‘m sorry but I don’t believe being gay is a choice, therefore I don’t think James had a choice, other then hiding it for the rest of his life. And he surely does understand how upset his father is over this (this is probably why it took him a long time to “get out of the closet”).
Report Post »Pack Man
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:55pmThis really isn’t the model we want to exemplify.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:53pmTypical, hateful Christian.
Report Post »Kupo
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 10:59pmI’d remove the comma.
Report Post »Dodsfall
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:00pmBigoted, ignorant response.
Report Post »almont
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:00pmGod bless you……
Report Post »Flag10First
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:01pmLesbian: you are a bigot. At least this guy has conviction. You don’t even like yourself, go figure??
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:03pmI read it and my sentiments exactly, I fully agree with it. Not shocked at all. Now call me names. FOOLS. Go Tea
Report Post »BetterInformed
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:03pmSon make a choice. Dad makes a choice. What’s the problem.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:03pmWow. You usually don’t let yourself stoop to a low life comment like that but you managed this time. I’m kind of surprised and disappointed.
Report Post »PRRedlin
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:08pmI agree original poster
Report Post »txbigfoot
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:12pmTypical ***** hater.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:14pmWhat do expect from fools that live their lives based on bronze age myths.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:16pm@Flag10First
[Lesbian: you are a bigot.]
Takes one to ____ ___.
[At least this guy has conviction.]
Report Post »Um… If you exclude the family thing, I guess.
Master K
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:21pmI would have done the same thing, but not because I’m hateful. Scripture teaches that homosexuality is sin and to do something of this magnitude, disowning your own son, would [hopefully] be a shock and a wake up call to the son.
Most people think that the church’s practice of excommunication is a horrible and mean thing, but really it’s very loving. It’s a firm and public statement that you are living in sin and on the path to hell, as Scripture clearly says, and the act of excommunication serves as the ultimate warning to the unrepentant sinner. What this dad did is the same thing.
You may not be a Christians or may not agree with what Scripture says, but this dad is, and in his heart this is the most loving thing that can be done–he’s issuing a call to repentance. He wants to see his child in heaven.
Report Post »kansas hawks 3
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:30pm@ hollow points, Typical hate filled non Christian.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 7, 2012 at 11:42pmSo it’s OK to be anti-heterosexual but it’s not OK to be not anti-homosexual?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:00amGo with glass & get rid of plastic food containers especially BPA. Be a good role model for your son. Don’t be overbearing. Don’t let people bully your kids & feminize them.
Talk to your kids. Don’t let bad dating experiences convince them that they are homosexual. I have seen that more than once.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:06amencinom
What do expect from fools that live their lives based on bronze age myths.
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Dude, you got your history wrong. ROFL!
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:21amWhat do you see that is hateful about it? Does he use epitaphs? Does he condemn him and wish him harm or ill fortune? Does he use slurs or other low language? Does he not insinuate that he wishes the son to still attend his funeral? Being Christian does not mean you must fake approval of conduct, or accept conduct and associate with conduct that is sinful. Nowhere in that letter does the father withdraw his love from his son, merely his association and communication while the son conducts activities that the father finds abhorrent or sinful.
Report Post »Texaskid2
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:37amHomosexuality is a sin, this comes straight from the Bible. So, the father is faithful to his belief as a Christian. And you call him hateful, would you also call a muslim hateful as they still stone homosexuals according to their beliefs?
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:45pmMost certainly, difficult but necessary.
There is no hate in that letter. It’s hard love following betrayal. Choices do have consequences, like it or not. It’s the way it is whether you believe it or not.
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:27pmThey are educated in by a fantasy book called the bible. What do you expect…LOL!
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:29pmBut somehow, your mother was given birth by an ape, right? What a mystical magical moment that must have been!
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on August 8, 2012 at 6:29pmHomosexuals are sexual deviants that want society to accept their deviancy as normal behavior…
Report Post »It’s not. In fact, it’s abnormal behavior that is “abominable” – that is, disgusting and reprehensible and definitively unnatural.
But interestingly, Christians generally don’t have a problem with individuals they have a problem with the sin or the act.
Christians are not oppressing or violently pursuing homosexuals! They could – some may wonder if they should – but they haven’t. In fact, they leave people of same sex gender orientation largely alone. They befriend them and move past it or talk it out objectively.
For real Christians homosexuality is wrong but that is between you and God not you and me.
My only position is don’t impose your will (that of the minority) on me. Our society is almost completely and entirely heterosexual and somehow we need to change OUR views??
I don’t think so…
APD847
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 12:00amYou’re bold behind your anonymity. You would not be so in my presence, Buttercup.
Report Post »God_Is_Not
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 1:07amShould I protect my rear? Only cowards makes online threats…
Report Post »HellPhish89
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:56amGIN, youre trolling, nothing more.
Report Post »Hopestar-B-COHIPER
Posted on August 9, 2012 at 4:50pmoh? is a manager when he finds out that an employee is gay is being Christian when he invites the gay employee to his church and tells his gay employee that his church has a gay outreach.
When the gay employee finds out that the ‘gay outreach’ is to convert him from the sin of homosexuality to heterosexuality he declines the offer.
Subsequently, the Christian manager assigns the gay employee 10 times the amount of work allowed by company policy for a period of 27 months, gives the gay employee a 3% pay raise during that time while other employees with 10 times less work get 13% to 15% pay raises every year. Is that good Christian behavior as well.
The gay employee was able to just barely do the work.
When upper management found out what had happened, the manager was demoted, the gay employee received 2 promotions, $50,000 in back pay and a 40% pay raise.
This manager, who was also a lay preacher, was being a very good Christian and a very Good American wasn’t he?
This is the manner in which good American Christian treat homosexuals and who gay right laws need to be passed. Passed to prevent such things from happening again.
This, is what my manager did to me. I survived and moved on. I forgave my manager, but I shall never forget what he did to me.
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