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A New Wave of Atheist Evangelism

A New Wave of Atheist Evangelism

On the heels of Stephen Hawking announcing in his new book The Grand Design that God wasn’t necessary for the creation of the universe, the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation is plastering Atheist claims on billboards across the country.

In Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, the organization put up one such billboard yesterday praising Thomas Gore, who it claims is the first atheist U.S. Senator. “Atheism is OK in Oklahoma; Saluting Gore — First Atheist Senator,” the billboard reads.

But one billboard is modest compared to the number that Louisville and Atlanta residents can expect to see. Louisville is getting 20 billboards, while the group is blanketing Atlanta “with 50 irreverent billboard messages going up this week for a month,” according to its website. Those “irreverent” billboards include statements such as “Imagine No Religion,“ ”Sleep In On Sundays,“ ”In Reason We Trust,” and even a quote from the late Thelma “Butterfly” McQueen, who played the maid Prissy in ”Gone with the Wind:“ ”As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of religion.”

“We hope discrimination against atheists and other nonbelievers will soon be ‘gone with the wind,’” said FFRF co-president Dan Barker, a former evangelical minister and author of Godless and Losing Faith in Faith, on the organization’s website.

According to co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor, foundation members are paying for the Atlanta sign, but declined to say how much the billboards in metro Atlanta cost.

The organization‘s campaign and Hawking’s statement are just two examples of atheist news headlines over the past week. Yesterday, world-famous atheist author Christopher Hitchens, who is dying of cancer, told fans not to pray for him after he learned that September 20 had been designated “Everyone Pray for Hitchens Day.”

“I don’t mean to be churlish about any kind intentions,” Hitchens wrote in the October issue of Vanity Fair, “but when September 20 comes, please do not trouble deaf heaven with your bootless cries.”

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  • otoko
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:39pm

    You know for a group of people who don’t believe in God, they sure spend a lot of time fighting him! Funny how that works!!! For even the demons believe and tremble at the sound of his Name. Amen

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:45pm

      If we didn‘t we’d probably still be burning witches and raping children…oh I forgot they’re still raping children.

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    • Freidenker
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:50pm

      otoko said
      “You know for a group of people who don’t believe in God, they sure spend a lot of time fighting him! Funny how that works!!! For even the demons believe and tremble at the sound of his Name. Amen”

      Yes, and “demons” were invented by those religious types who needed to explain why bad things happen to people in the world. Couldn’t blame it on an all powerful loving god now, could we? We are just trying to show the faithful the light.

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:29pm

    Folks, we live in a SECULAR society. the constitution CLEARLY explains this. Article 6 section 3 of the Constitution and the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights. That’s all there is to say. Look ‘em up. memorize them.—As an atheist in the great state of Tennesee (via Northern Virginia) I can attest to the cultural clasp of christianity in the south. it doesn’t bother me. i’m very confident in my ideas and comfortable in my skin and am not bothered by believers. but countless times i’ve discussed religion with my fellow christian citizens only to have them look at me like a demon doing card tricks for dogs. i find it mildly humorous. hell, i love explaining my thoughts on why i think there is most certainly no gods or any divinity. it is almost always a great discussion. but in some of these conversations my religious counterparts often turn overly emotional and attack ad hominem. other times they get red in the face, speechless, scornful even scared. i’ve even had some refuse to ever speak to me again. i just don‘t understand religion’s stranglehold over the minds of millions of americans. is the promise of a reward in the afterlife made thousands of years ago (and unverifiable) really worth sacrificing your natural compacity to think and question? i know its not that simple. religious beliefs are often interwoven into the family fabric and family traditions and for one to turn his back on those beliefs is, to some, the same as turning ones back on their entire family.—–hell, i guess i’m an evangelical atheist to a certain extent. but individual freedom is the most important thing for humanity and i’m sure most of my christian friends here would agree with me on that. cheers.

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    • Tbirt
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 3:05am

      You know, you can just list arbitrary Articles and Sections, but article 6 says almost nothing, here’s it in its entirety.

      “All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
      This Constitution, and Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

      Now here is Article 6 section 3 as you mentioned, let us all see the clear statement of the Secular nature of the United States.

      “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Officeor public Trust under the United States.”

      While it doesn‘t have any religious test as a qualification it doesn’t clearly state that we’re a secular nation. They did this to keep us from becoming a theocracy, not to eventually weed out religion. As for the first amendment, it also isn’t a clear secular statement, again it was to keep us from becoming a theocracy, like England, and not to push religion out of the public square, just not one lawful religion, or making the knowledge of a religion a requirement to serve. You‘re going to have to do better than that to convince me that we’re a secular society. If anything I think we’re more religious than we realize, because we support a multi cultural society we have a mixture of religion so great we won’t ever really notice. Now I have just one question, Where do our rights come from?

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  • Tbirt
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:28pm

    A correction, the Billboard isn’t in Broken Arrow, OK. It‘s at 15th and the Broken Arrow Expressway which is fairly close to downtown and part of Tulsa’s Midtown district. I haven’t seen it, but the link posted for the story listed it as being at that location. Soon as I get a chance I’ll swing over to make sure. It’s also fairly close to the University of Tulsa, and the 15th street exit is the most often used by TU students. We don’t want Ed Schultz calling us out on our incorrect geography.

    T

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  • ek2179
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:26pm

    If I believe in God and there is no God, I’ve lost nothing.
    If you don’t believe in God, and there is God, you’ve lost everything.

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:32pm

      But what if you believe in the wrong god then you’d just be making the right god angrier!?

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:51pm

      i don’t think so. i’m an atheist. firm atheist. let me put it to you this way: if, when i die, it turns out i was wrong and there really is some god/gods in some other dimension and they consider my non-belief in them such a horrible thing AND they are going to judge me on that non-belief and i find my self in front of them, I will tell him/her/it/them one simple statement: “I didn’t think there was enough proof. You are not very good at what you do. I am not impressed with your creation. I have lived my life as honestly and good as I knew how. I tried to be a kind person. I loved my family and did my best. If that is less important to you than the fact that i didn’t believe in you while i was alive then CRUCIFY me!”———and i would gladly march off into firey pits of hell after saying those words and be proud of it. maybe the gods would get their crap together and prove their existence.

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    • The_Big_Z
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:56pm

      Not impressed with God’s creation? Do you know of a better one?

      MrButcher, I mean no disrespect to your beliefs. However, in the scenario that you’ve outlined, I think God would tell you that you weren’t paying attention. He gave you prophets as guides, scripture as a manual, and millions of believers worldwide ready to help as advisors and tutors. In addition, He gave you the Gift of Christ in your heart to help you know right from wrong and the Holy Ghost to comfort and confirm truth. If you enrolled in a class, but, did not attend lectures, do the homework, or read the textbook would you be angry at the professor for flunking you?

      By the way, God does not crucify people. They crucified him.

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    • Aron
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:59pm

      How do you feel comfortable thinking like this? God gives you free will to think, so if you think freely and question, and come to different conclusions that weren’t the “correct” conclusions, you’re cast to the fiery pits of hell for all eternity. If these are the consequences of questioning, i’ll gladly burn in hell for my conclusions, and i’ll do so with honor.

      Would you really stand with a god of such principles? Could your god be a tyrant?

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    • Aron
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 8:52pm

      Big Z, how is one to know if they’re paying attention or not? This logic really just boils down to a fancy way of saying, “Believe what i believe, or you’re wrong” as far as i can tell. I might even call it spin. Know that i mean no disrespect for your beliefs or anything, but i find this logic to be very troubling. Being a raised Christian myself, i’m quite familiar with it. One of the main reasons i stopped buying into these ideas, when i was around 8 years old or so, was the notion that i’m reliant on others for supposed ultimate truth, and not directly from God. If these ideas are ultimate truth, shouldn’t i know of them naturally, instilled in me at birth, without it having to be taught to me? And what of indigenous peoples? Are, and have, they all been doomed to hell, because they never knew of these ideas, simply because they were never taught of them? If this is true, God seems rather cruel…

      Most people throw me the popular “God works in mysterious ways” bit when i go here…

      Again, no disrespect. Faith is a great thing to have, it’s even better when perceived as flawless though.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:26pm

      Big Z, I am paying attention. no offence taken. nor do i wish to offend your beliefs.—-Seriously, I’ve read both the new and old testaments multiple times not out of need but out of curiosity. it is riddled with contradictions, foolishness and superstition. have you read the old testament? i mean WOW! what a load of crap! the new testament as well. Contridictions galore. Here’s one of my favorite examples: So this Jesus guy is the son of god, right? he is also god. so he is the son of himself. he sends himself down to earth to die for all our sins at the time and all the sins humanity will ever committ until he comes back again to judge us all at the end of time, right. that was his plan for himself when he conceived himself. then, here’s the kicker, when the time comes for him to die, the romans nail him on a cross, he looks up and says “My God (himself) My God (himself) Why hast thou forsaken me?” that’s in Matthew.—-Now, doesn’t that just strike you as, well, a little WEIRD?— If i was an early christian standing at the foot of the cross watching as my messiah was dying for me and he uttered those words after he already told me he was to die for my sins, i would have called a shenanagian on him.—i wish more people would.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:52am

      MRBUTCHER: I don’t blame you for being confused. Many teachings of orthodox Christianity are apostate in nature decided upon by votes of uninspired people. That is the exact reason for the Restored Gospel. To restore the truth of Christ’s message.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:56am

      ARON, no I wouldn’t want to be wit the God you describe. I realize that many Christians fear asking questions. Re3memebr that Glenn Beck, a Mormon like myself” constantly quotes Thomas Jefferson. who said question boldly even the very existence of God. The hellfire and damnation “gospel” ofr much of orthodox Christianity is meant to teach of a God to fear rather than a God of love and mercy. That is a real shame.

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    • The_Big_Z
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 2:01am

      MrButcher, Yes, I’ve read both the new and old testaments multiple times. (Although, I have to admit there are some sizeable chunks of the old testament that I’ve only skimmed or skipped over completely. A guy can only take so many “begats” in one sitting and sometimes Isaiah gives me a headache.) I find it ironic that you chose as an example something that drove me crazy as a kid. How could God, not only be in two places at the same time, but forsake himself? I used to drive my mother and church leaders nuts with questions that they couldn’t answer. For a long time I thought that God must be schizophrenic. Unable to believe in an irrational god, I drifted away from the church in which I was raised. By my early twenties I was agnostic bordering on atheist. I felt that if there was a god, he must be so alien as to be unknowable in mortal life.

      I won’t bore you with the details. But, after about a decade of little to no religious thought, I experienced a series of changes that lead me back to God. The best part is that I discovered that I didn’t have to give up my rational and inquisitive nature to be a Christian. It turns out that if you look deep enough there is logic and purpose to everything God does, a logic that is comprehensible by human beings.

      Take, for instance, that God-in-two-places problem from Matthew. Did you know that the idea of the Trinity was not even started until nearly two hundred years after Christ’s death and resurection? It became official doctrine of the Catholic Church in 325AD and has been continued by the protestant churches that came later. Before the mid-second century, all Christians believed in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three separate beings. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe in the restored concept of three unique individuals who comprise a Godhead that is united in purpose. Although, we do get some razzing from the, more common, Trinitarians.

      Now, I’m not here to push my beliefs on anyone. I just want you to know that it is possible to be a Christian and still be a rationalist. It is, also, possible to be a person of deep religious faith and still have respect for others beliefs, including atheists.

      Now, I know you’ve probably got a hundred other examples of things in the Bible that don’t make sense and this is not the place to take up space discussing them. I don’t claim to have answers to all of them. Heck, there are still plenty of things I read in the scriptures that I scratch my head over. However, you strike me as an intelligent and gracious conversationalist. I would love to continue our discussion outside this forum. If this sounds like something you would enjoy, please email me at bigoldzed@gmail.com. If not, then we can part ways amicably and I look forward to reading more of your posts on this or other topics.

      Z

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    • The_Big_Z
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 3:59am

      Aron, I was, also, raised in a Christian church where I was taught to not question doctrine and that “God works in mysterious ways.” Like you, I was driven away. No man should ask you to believe that he speaks for God unless he can offer evidence to back up that claim.
      The church to which I now belong teaches its members to pray frequently asking if the doctrine is true, asking if this is the church to which we should belong, and asking if church leaders are divinely appointed. Every human being is entitled to confirmation of these things from the Holy Ghost. I would not follow any doctrine or church leader without receiving this spiritual confirmation.
      And, no, you should not have these things instilled in you from birth. If that were true there would be no need for a Bible, no need for prayer, and no need for faith. Like a small child given a beautiful porcelain statue, having no appreciation for the value of the gift we would treat it roughly until eventually it was broken and destroyed. I find that most people put the most value on the things for which they work hardest.
      I think we sometimes do our children a disservice by teaching religious ideas when they are still too young to apply them in their own lives. After all, only the principles can be taught. Principles don’t turn into accepted truth until they have been tested, challenged, and pitted against the trials that life throws at us.
      Your question in regards to indigenous people is equally valid. You are correct that it would be cruel to punish people for not following doctrine that they never had an opportunity to learn. In the interest of space I will direct you here for the answer to that concern: http://www.mormon.org/family-history/
      I hope you don’t think that my faith is “flawless.” Trust me I have far too many moments of doubt, questions I can’t answer, and just plain stupid human mistakes. However, after carefully studying the scriptures, asking questions, doing my best to live my faith, and praying, I have received confirmation from the Holy Ghost that there is a God in Heaven, Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to atone for my sins, and Christ will raise me up again after I die. I sincerely believe that with all my heart.
      I would never tell you to “Believe what i believe, or you’re wrong.” You have had experiences in your life that have you led you to beliefs that fit the facts. Having had a different set of experiences, it would be ridiculous for me to criticize the choices that you’ve made. All I can do is share my experiences and tell you where that led me. If there’s something in my experience that comforts you in some way, I’m pleased that I could help. If not, then let’s support each other where we have common ground and where we disagree, let us do so with respect.
      Z

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    • Aron
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 11:50am

      Z, i know you don’t intend to, but thru your belief, you are kind of saying “Believe what i believe, or you’re wrong”, just not in a direct way. Christian doctrine would still say i’m going to hell, even though i’ve come to the best conclusions i can.. since they don’t match up with the doctrine. Supposedly because i’m not “paying attention”. Maybe that’s true, but if that’s true.. how do i “pay attention”? And where’s my motivation to “pay attention”, if i already feel i’ve discovered truth (or that i’m at least on the right track to it)? What else am i suppose to look for? If these ideas, or at least a glimmer of some kind of confirmation of these ideas, were instilled in me at birth, maybe i wouldn‘t feel i’ve discovered truth, and i’d thus have motivation to search in this direction for it.

      If Christian ideas are ultimate truth, God seems to have completely failed at designing this system for our individual search for it – or at least for mine, i guess. Or maybe it’s just a way to weed out the riff-raff…

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    • Jcannon98042
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:30pm

      In response to how can god be in two places at once:

      The god of the old testament is not God (with a capital G) but instead is Yahweh. Jesus Christ, The son of God (again with capital G) was in fact Yahweh in his mortal body. You see Yahweh is a god, but not THE God. That is why he identified himself by saying “I AM the great I AM” because that was a sign to the Jewish people that he was Yahweh, a prophecy from older times. In fact in the bible it says (paraphrasing here) “me and the father are one, even as husband and wife are one” logically we can assume that means they are one in purpose one in goal, but not the same person. The early church leaders decided that this concept of more than one god with a supreme God was too complicated I guess, so they fabricated the explanation of the trinity, the God the father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are the same person.

      In response to the “believe what I believe or go to hell”. I believe this is another mistaken belief in Christianity. If the lord Jesus, god of the Old Testament, truly died for all of our sins on the cross, then how could we go to hell? I contend that there is no hell, that all go to heaven, except for the most vile sinners who blaspheme against god and againt man, who commit whoredoms and murder and rape. Those few are the ones that we spend eternity in hell with Lucifer. But the loving mercy of Jesus Christ, he fulfilled the demands of justice, and paid our price so all can go to heaven. Those who believe in god, and those who don’t. Those who believe in god, but the wrong god, it doesn’t matter. God wanted us to love our god, and will not blame us if we choose the wrong church. It is the fact that we tried that matters.

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  • bswanson
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:26pm

    I find it interesting that Atheist are now engaging in the activities they complain that religious people offend them with. You believe in God, great. You don’t believe in God, great. Work to live your beliefs…Actions speak louder then words.

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  • 123halle
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:26pm

    you know I’ve seen many people die . and I believe there is no atheist on the death bed . regardless what you believe their is something after this life . before I turn to JESUS I’ve watched and saw many scream when they were dying about the the pain even when being totally doped up and begging for help because dark beings were there laughing at them and saw many that believed in GOD go in peace seeing family members and angels . take what you will it showed me to beg forgiveness so I know my soul is safe

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  • jblazak
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:26pm

    To suggest to you that anything you could invent, make, build or bring into being could be superior in intelligence and ability to you and your mind, would certainly insult your intelligence!

    Now let me ask you candidly, do you honestly believe that any power or force of less intelligence than your mind produced you?

    If you do not believe in my God, then you have only the alternative of believing that something less than your intelligence produced you—that dumb, purposeless unintelligence brought into being your intelligence! The only rational possibility is to acknowledge that the very presence of the human mind is proof that the great First Cause is also the supreme intelligence, infinitely superior to the abilities of mortal man!

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  • HOOSIERVETERAN
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:21pm

    “A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern American English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation and religion.”

    I am devoted to my own opinion but not the rest does that make me a bigot?

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  • nkawtg
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:19pm

    It may have been stated earlier, but shouldn’t atheism be treated like a religion? It seems to me they are worshiping the absence of a God in their life.

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  • Citizen
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:18pm

    You notice his subtle ploy used by standard special interest groups – discrimination. So he wants to trump up his cause with simple rhetoric like discrimination against atheists is rampant lol

    Most everyone I know is atheist, never heard them ever complain once in the Entire span of my life and I mean every interaction with every human being I have ever had and not one has ever mentioned anything about being discriminated against for being atheist.

    You know what the good news is about the whole God debate is ?

    We all get to die and find out.

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:45pm

      Citizen … I had the same reaction – What discrimination against atheist?

      Have they been having problems with finding housing, jobs, schools, or with anything, because they are atheist? (OR) are they upset that everyone isn’t an atheist like them? Puzzling.

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:53pm

      Not so good news for some.

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  • Joseph
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:02pm

    Whoa, I just saw monkey‘s flying out of Dan Barker’s Butt.Where does this guy get off alking about discrimination? Atheists in this country are afforded more judgments in their favor compared to Blacks and Homosextuals. This guy needs to get a life and put it to better use since he doesn’t want to go to Heaven anyways…

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  • AnAppealToGod
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:01pm

    It takes a lot more faith to believe that God does not exist than it does to believe that he does.

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    • dressseller
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:19pm

      I think it takes alot more arrogance to believe that God does not exist..than to believe humbly that He does. …One mindset puts the emphasis on us… the other ..Him. JMHO!

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:45pm

      It doesn’t take an ounce of faith to have a lack of belief. That’s an absurd statement.

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  • Okpulot Taha
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:55pm

    God is not a politician. God has no business in politics.

    I am a traditional American Indian. I do not believe in your Christian god. Am I less of a person, less of a conservative, less of a patriotic because of my not believing in your Christian god?

    Watch your tongues, the slightest hint of bigotry will have me label you a bigot.

    Okpulot Taha
    Choctaw Nation

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    • dressseller
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:17pm

      No, sir ..You are not less of a person or less of a conservative or less of a patriot for not believing in God. You have every right to choose which faith you will believe in or no faith at all. But you can’t change the facts of the founding of this country and this country was founded on christian principles. That isn’t to say you have to be a christian but I take great offense to those who want the rest of us to not be christians either nor to celebrate the truth of our founding as it was. The beauty of our founding was that all religions or no religion at all is an individual choice. You are protected in this country to believe what you want or nothing at all. That, however, does not change the founding principles and those principles should never be re-written, changed or erased. God should be in our public discourse insomuch as we were founded that way and we have the right to continue as a nation down the path as we were set up to be. That doesn’t mean I have to participate in your religious customs or you mine. It just means we each need to respect those of each other and not seek to silence those principles from public discourse.

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    • HOOSIERVETERAN
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:17pm

      You Sir have every place in this Nation. You are not less than any of these things. Because I believe in my Christian God does not make me a bigot. The bible does not say to hate unbelievers or consider them less. Its quite the opposite. It teaches us to love. I dont understand why everyone thinks that to share where you are comming from makes you horrible. Its who you are. You of all people should be proud of your past. When you say things like “Christian god” it doesnt make you a bigot. So if I think God has a place in government and government doesnt have a place telling the church what to do, because thats where I come from, why sir does it make me a bigot? This country is so diverse and even though society trys to silence how everyone feels about everyone else doesnt mean people still do not feel it. 80 percent claim to be of some Christian faith. Yet for the last 20 years we have become silent. At this point we have all just all become liars. We are a Christian Nation or we are not. You cant have it both ways.

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    • Joseph
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:17pm

      I‘m Sorry but I wasn’t aware of any of the posts before youes claiming the Christian religion was better, the only one to follow, or makes you a better citizen. In fact I saw more compassion and that it is NOT right to judge or compare others if they are not. I belive every post before yours were handled nicely and on eggshells not to offend anyone. The posts past yours now, ???

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    • Debrabate
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:23pm

      AMEN!

      Like I tell my children, “God by any other name is still God.”

      Fact is that MOST humans need to believe in a greater purpose. Do I believe in God, yes. Does my Husband believe in God… not so much… or at least he wont discuss it with me. And that is fine.

      My Daughter is 1/2 Chickasaw Indian. I give her the freedom to explore her birth-right and thier traditions. If that makes me a bad Christian, so be it. It is not up to humans to judge me. It is up to God himself.

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    • DSTSS2010
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:27pm

      Calling people who disagree with you “Bigots” is the height of bigotry!! Check you mirror!

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    • LesterWillox
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:50pm

      He didn‘t say he’ll call people who disagree with him bigots. He said he’d call people who act bigoted bigots. Calls ‘em like he sees ’em so to speak.

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    • Venom
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:54pm

      Thats a pretty cynical attitude…almost makes me embarrassed to be part Choctaw….call me a bigot now?

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    • 13thGenerationAmerican
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:03pm

      For the last time. This country was not founded as a Christian Nation!

      Treaty of Tripoli
      Article 11 reads:

      Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:43pm

      Well, for the most part, tolerant and friendly replies. Looks one deceitful reply and maybe two bigot replies, not sure on one. Couple of evangelists in the mix, a couple claiming America only for Christians.

      This is critically important we respect atheists. Those billboard signs are free speech and none of those billboard signs are offensive. I like those signs. I especially like “in reason we trust”. This is a great jingle line.

      This “in reason we trust” is my favorite because this is precisely what America needs, good sound reasoning and common sense. Christians can pray to God for a job, pray for money to make a mortgage payment. This will not happen. We know this.

      A person who reasons will go over to Home Depot, stand in the parking lot while holding up a sign which reads, “I SPEAK ENGLISH” and this person will be hired within minutes, and hired each day he is out there holding up his sign. This person who relies on reason rather than prayer, will make his mortgage payment.

      Reason is what America desperately needs to resolve all our problems. God will not solve those problems for us.

      I say give atheists a chance; they reason rather than pray.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 8:09pm

      Before replying to individuals, and some of you are clearly intelligent and friendly, a bit on sexism here to annoy you. Truth is I am being confrontational which is an important cultural trait for my peoples. I note here, like almost everywhere, because my name does not disclose gender people assume me male.

      I am a red skinned girl, a highly traditional American Indian squaw.

      Here is why people assume me to be male.

      Our Bible is amongst our most masculine sexist books, as is our English language, which is not my native tongue. Mine is not to label any of you sexist, I do not read sexism. Mine is to allude to inherent masculine sexism because of our Bible, our English language and our “Anglican” culture. Male sexism is rampant amongst us simply because this is the way we are taught. This is a fault for Americans but is free of blame. This is simply the way we are without much choice.

      Becoming aware of this sexism, which is taught to us since the day each of us is born, is as important as becoming aware of religious bigotry. Almost all of us agree sexism does not benefit us and almost all of us work at avoiding being sexist. Same should be true for religious intolerance.

      A problem with religious intolerance is readily apparent here. I read quite a few people around The Blaze ragging on Glenn Beck because he is Mormon. Almost all of us know this is wrongful.

      A result of our faults, natural human faults, such as sexism and bigotry, is those who display inappropriate behavior give all of us a bad reputation. The Blaze and the Tea Party will only become viable respectable organizations when people work hard at avoiding sexism, bigotry and other notions we find unpleasant.

      I issue my warning about bigotry to prompt people to think a bit before writing comments. Appears this worked; I read a lot of friendly and polite replies to my comments about bigotry. This does make for a pleasant, friendly and warmly welcoming web site here. This is much needed for a very good reason. This reason is our mainstream news media is all over this web site looking for negative behaviors to use to degrade this Glenn Beck web site, and you know left liberals, people who work for Democrats and Obama, all are here looking for anything to use to rip this place apart.

      Let’s give them something to talk about. Let’s be firm but fair and always be truthful even when truth hurts.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 8:37pm

      DRESSSELLER writes in part, “But you can’t change the facts of the founding of this country and this country was founded on christian principles.”

      I agree with almost all you write other than this quote above. You have a good attitude.

      This is not I disagree with you, I am simply not sure “christian principles” is the best definition. Our Founding Fathers invested a lot of effort into keeping religion out of our form of government. This is very clear. I would rather write “societal mores” rather than “Christian principles”. Our societal mores are consistent with Christian principles but our consensus mores do not derive from Christianity. Our mores derive from common sense and a “goodness” inherent to almost all, of faith nor not. More succinct, societal mores natural develop even in the absence of religion. Atheists share those societal mores with the faithful. Atheism and Christianity are not mutually exclusive.

      HOOSIERVETERAN, I also agree with almost all you write.

      You write, “We are a Christian Nation or we are not.”

      No, this leads to bigotry. We are a secular nation. Nonetheless, if we ask a person randomly picked off the street about this, most likely this person would say we are a Christian nation. This is reality. However, we must be a secular nation to avoid religious conflicts. Our nation is founded upon secularism, we need to return to this, respect this and defend this. We are to never allow religion to become a part of our government, although, de facto, government and religion are forever bonded. We need to be wise enough and brave enough to separate government and religion when this is needed.

      JOSEPH writes, “I belive every post before yours were handled nicely and on eggshells not to offend anyone.”

      I strongly agree with you. There will always be some problematic people but like you I read a lot of decent people around.

      DEBRABATE adds to our interest, “My Daughter is 1/2 Chickasaw Indian. I give her the freedom to explore her birth-right and thier traditions.”

      You are a wise mother. I mean this sincerely. Our American Indian culture is a very good culture. Personally, I would have all peoples of our world be Indians. This would resolve almost all problems and you know I write truthfully; our culture is highly respected by almost all peoples.

      LESTERWILLOX comments, “Calls ‘em like he sees ‘em so to speak.”

      Yes, sir, you are so right. My traditonal peoples are well known for being maddeningly pragmatic. We make a point to speak truth and often truth makes people mad.

      13thGENERATIONAMERICAN writes, “This country was not founded as a Christian Nation!”

      Absolute truth. All Americans need to remember this. Most of our population is Christian but America, herself, is not a Christian nation. Our America claims no religion rather claims freedom.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • HOOSIERVETERAN
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:20pm

      I see what your getting at. As a conservative where do people draw their moral values if not from God. I get that there are plenty of “good” people that have been brought up outside of Christianity. Heck most Christians are bad. Our nation is losing value. Our prisons are full of kids that never were told how to honor or respect. I know these are values you also hold dear. It has been getting worse from day 1. If we dont turn to God or something greater than ourselves what will becaome of us?

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 11:14pm

      HOOSIERVETERAN writes, “I see what your getting at. As a conservative where do people draw their moral values if not from God. I get that there are plenty of “good” people that have been brought up outside of Christianity.”

      You got it! I am sure your experience is the same or similar to mine. You and I learned not to cuss, steal, fight, we learned to behave ourselves because our parents disciplined us. In my case, grandpa would give us kids a butt switching! We deserved every switching!

      I love my grandpa all the more because he disciplined me and helped me grow to be a good person. This points to a lack of good parenting here in America, as you suggest; there are a lot of problem people out there.

      Contrasting and I think this is your experience as is mine, none taught us violence is wrong, none taught us rape is wrong and none taught us killing is wrong. Those type of notions we seem to develop naturally, without being taught and without religion. We know those things are really wrongful right from childhood but maybe not give this much thought until much older.

      Knowing not to hurt others, knowing not to kill others, this seems almost instinctive.

      This leads us, with some thought, to realize personal mores, societal mores and Christian mores, are all fairly much the same. This points to how ludicrous is faith based bigotry. Glenn Beck is Mormon, you are Christian, I am of a spiritual belief system and there are atheist, the topic here. Despite our differences, we all share the same core moral values which came about quite naturally, in the presence of religious faith or not in the presence of religious faith.

      Condemning atheists for not believing in God is wrongful. Those folks share our moral values, there is no real difference between any of us. Even those of witchcraft, sorcery, voodoo and devil worship, typically share our moral values although some will claim not to share our morals.

      True bottom line here, being maddeningly Indian pragmatic, when we introduce God as a political platform, we will lose elections. Far right wing Christian evangelists scare Americans, and scare away votes. If for any reason, zealous Christians, zealots of any faith, should set aside faith in exchange for winning votes. Setting aside faith is not giving up faith.

      I frequently write, “God is not a politician. God has no business in politics.”

      Our objective is bring America back to honor as Beck and Palin call for. We will not win our conservative cause, will not win votes while coming across as religious zealots. We must win elections to take back our nation from left liberal whackos. Again, being pragmatic, being realistic, we must exclude God from our political platform. God will have us lose elections.

      A side note is Islam is a can of worms. There is no explaining what the heck happened there. Islam does not share our “instinctive” moral values, I have no clue why.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Joseph
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 2:06pm

      Not to seem like I’m debating you, but not all Christians pray to get things. In fact I avoid these types of Chrisians because they tend to have restrictive veiws on others. The one thing that I’m not seeing here is how do you see God. Weather you belive it or not there were only 3 people that ever saw God. Moses,I hink his son, and Jesus. As a Christian, one who follows Christ there are only two commandments to follow. One, and athiest could not do, but the other anyone can.

      I never pray to God to get anything other than the insight I need to be at peace and to do Gods work to the best of my abbility, and keep me mindful of right or wrong. Praying for a car, TV,ect. That’s stupid.Now praying for anothers needs if God so wills, that’s fine

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    • Debra-Chicago
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 6:33pm

      Jesus said give that to caeser that which is his. I.e. worldly things. And give to the Father those which are his, i.e. spiritual. Souls.

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  • Conservativeman
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:52pm

    Obama is an atheist? Is this wave of evangelism for Dear Leaders sake?

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    • Skwerl
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 4:04pm

      iBama is not an atheist, he just thinks he is God.

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    • HOOSIERVETERAN
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 11:51pm

      I disagree that Glenn is a moron. We all have our beliefs and someone is paying him to share his. I think we all want the same thing. Someone that is moral to sit in that seat. He just sees it his way and you yours. You have a choice if you do not believe what he is teaching not to listen. To call someone a moron for believeing in something is counterproductive, if you dont have to listen. It would be like me saying if you dont except Christ as your savior, when I know you dont already believe that, that you would be going to hell. This would be counter productive and inflamitory. Everyone preaches tolernace unless your a christian. Then it is you are a zealot or a bigot or a moron. These are inflamatory. He is a Christian and is very clear on that. Now going back to the thing I said about hell. You will not see me going to liberal sites telling them what I believe because it is counter productive. Every statement would be how can any “real man” be a liberal. It would only be inflamatory.

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  • richfromflorida
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:47pm

    Discrimination against atheists? Really? Seems like with the ACLU in their pocket they are pushing their non-religion on us. Blind leading the blind and both will fall.

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  • Freelancer
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:39pm

    Although I have ALWAYS been a believer in Christ and the Lord, I have had my fair share of problems. My wife and I raised two children from my first marriage and they went out on their own. My wife was diagnosed when she was 18 with some abnormality that prevented her from conceiving. She and her ex spent thousands trying artificial processes that NEVER worked. We were on the verge of divorce and having nothing left, we turned to God and the church for direction and guidance. We attended services for two years and all of a sudden, we now have a healthy, happy 18 month old boy who is perfect. Now, NO ONE can tell me that God does not exist or he does not provide a miracle every now and then.

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    • analyzer
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:47pm

      Miracles are happening all over. And as far as I am concerned, we haven’t seen anything yet

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    • dressseller
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:08pm

      wow.. ..thank you for sharing your personal experience and for giving God the glory! …Congratulations on your little miracle …he truly is from God. ;)

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    • missmarie
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:17pm

      Thank you for sharing this wonderful story! Praise be to God! May he bless your family with joy and happiness!

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    • joshua
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:51pm

      I Love All People, ones that think too much and those that think too little…..but inside my Mind is a whole different world that I am apart of 24/7….as my co-workers and Family interact with me, i don’t preach and i dont talk down or up….JOY, PEACE, and LOVE, start the ONLY conversations worth uttering more than 5 words….Peace be with us for the Lost Sheep are now beginning to Feel what it is to have Faith…it is no longer something that you can just “placebo” along with and rest at night (minus medication)…Investigate the Feast of the Lord and their prophetic chronology and you will see why we so little time so just Love and Let be….not our job to save those that cannot hear Him, but if our Lord brings them to us we better be prepared with alot more than the “roman road:….Peace and Love

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  • analyzer
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:38pm

    Unfortunately, these are the times we live. And all these happenings are prophetic.

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  • kryss187
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:37pm

    Well, i am an athiest and a conservative. While I understand the frustration with christians feeling as if they are under attack, i can say from my point of view that the religion is not under attack. When your life is directly impacted by a religion, it can be scary. This is why we would want less religion in the public forum. To put things in retrospect, imagine if islam dominated the public forum. Would this not be scary to you? Put up the walls now and keep the potential abuse out of our government. That way we all can live without fear of loosing our liberties.

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    • Rose2010
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:56pm

      While you make a good point when you ask how we would feel if Islam became dominant in our society, I’m wondering in what way your life has been directly impacted by religion in general – and why you say that can be scary. I’m not aware of the Christian religion in America making demands on its citizens. The Christians here haven’t had the power to coerce anyone to believe in anything. But, if the Christian are right and correct in their belief, how can you blame them for wanting to share that knowledge with others? If they are convinced that they are on to something, it stands to reason that their “Christian love” would impel them to spread the word, as they say.

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    • dressseller
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:06pm

      I don’t think anyone is saying that christianity should dominate the public forum..but it’s not even being given equal standing. And yes.. it would be horrible if islam did dominate the public standard. ..But this country WAS founded on christian principles and not islamic principles and even if you do take christianity out of the public discourse (which I am very much against).. that is not solving the problem because what all these groups seem to want is to marginalize christianity only. Most of the groups that want to abolish ‘religion’ from the public discourse seem to mean that only towards christianity. Most other religions seem to get a pass. All around us in the news over and over again you read stories of how special allowances are made to most all faiths while christianity is assaulted on every front.

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    • DanB
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:12pm

      You want less religion in the public forum. Hmmm…. Personally, I don’t. I don’t have to agree with you but from my point of view, atheism IS a religion. It is a religion based on the BELIEF that there is no god/God. So you claim you don’t want more religion in the public forum? From my point of view these signs are declarations of a certain religious viewpoint in a public forum. So if you truly want us believers in God to be quiet about our religion, then you MUST want atheists to be quiet about theirs too. So you should object to these signs if you truly want religion out of the public discussion.

      We often get stuck in the first definition or two of religion that we forget that if read the dictionary just a little further along that even atheism can be a religion.

      Taken from an online dictionary.

      Religion:
      “3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.” Just because someone denies god/God does not thus imply that they are NOT a spiritual leader.

      “4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.” Is this not what these signs are declaring–their zeal or conscientious devotion to their set of beliefs, values, and practices….

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:24pm

      If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color. If you agree to remove your religion from the public forum then I’m sure the atheists would be happy to remove their atheism…whatever that would mean.

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    • DanB
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:41pm

      As I said, we get so caught up on the first part of the definition of religion that we by DEFAULT assume that atheism is not a religion.

      In that online definition of religion, points 1 and 2 had to do with a belief in god/God. Points 3 and 4 did not have any reference to god/God other than what YOU want to read in to it. I know I am wasting words on many here saying that atheism IS a religion. You assume by the lack of organized religion that you are not actually substituting it with another belief system in its stead. I am saying that this is not necessarily true.

      As for the color of bald, you might ask what is bald? The lack of hair? So what color is the lack of something? We assume that the lack of something that there is no color, but is that true? When there is no hair, what do you see? Nothing? Or do you what once was? Or what is now revealed? Before I started losing my hair, my scalp was rarely seen, nor was it rarely sun burned. Now I need to apply sunblock or accept my suffering for my thinning, and receding, hairline.

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    • DanB
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:50pm

      I hate having to define everything, but apparently learning English is optional for us all. If we don’t like the definition, we use the options that most appeal to us.

      Spiritual has a few definitions. Here’s one: “having a mind or emotions of a high and delicately refined quality.”

      So when I say that atheism is a religion….

      Do they have spiritual leaders? As in, “having a mind or emotions of a high and delicately refined quality” leaders?

      I know they are going to answer that “no” they don‘t have spiritual leaders because they don’t believe in spirits, but that is being willfully ignorant. Do you have leaders in atheism that you regard as having a great mind and emotions of a quality that you consider of high esteem? If the answer is yes, then you have a spiritual leader. If no, what do think makes a great mind and emotions of a quality that you consider of high esteem? If it isn’t the leaders that you taught you atheism, then who are they and why aren’t you following them instead?

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    • bertr
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:53pm

      Atheism, religion or not, is a philosophical Belief that impacts and shapes the way one lives their life and forms their ethical code of behavior, same as Christianity or any other religion. It fills the same cup

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    • robert5635
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:20pm

      Was the christian religion/faith that made America possible. Who is this ‘we’? With no God/Bible to follow, what would there be to aspire to? Where would be the control and peace? All the bedrock laws we have came from the Bible, look it up. Nothing will ever change the fact that mankind has suffered from sin and depravity. God’s free gift to mankind is Jesus Christ. His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension to heaven gives hope to all who believe, so much more than simply everything ends(believe me it doesn’t, have been there). Feel bad for atheists, since why you worried about something that’s not there. Is insanity.

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    • The_Big_Z
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:27pm

      Kryss, Your points are well taken. One of the principles upon which our nation was founded was the freedom to worship in whatever way you wish. That, of course, must include the freedom to not worship at all. I completely understand your concern in regards to religious tyranny. History is filled with examples of horrible injustice when one faith grew so dominate and insecure that it mandated the harassment of diverse views. However, public policy dominated by atheism can be equally “scary.” The Nazis were atheists and they burned churches and executed millions because of their religious beliefs. Christians and atheists both need to be more tolerant of each other. The solution is not an atheist America. Instead, we must create an America that is faith-blind, just as many people encourage a society which is color-blind.

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    • Venom
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:51pm

      You just don’t want to feel alone, being with a group of people that believe so strongly in something…with God in your life you will never feel alone.

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    • jncarlos
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 6:28pm

      And so you see that benditlikebeck is smarter than you all.
      Why?
      Becuase he realizes that since he KNOWS all the corners of the universe, and how EVERYTHING works within it that he doesn’t BELIEVE there is no God, he KNOWS there is no God.
      Benditlikebeck, like all atheists, has traveled the length and breadth of the universe and all the dimensions looking for God, and found no one home.
      So bow to his truth, for he knows all things and can save your miserable lives…

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    • kryss187
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:11pm

      let me say, that i person’s religion should carry over to his policies…to a point. i can take good ideas and laws no matter the source. i don’t think public prayer or saying merry Christmas is a bad thing. in fact, i except the gesture as it was presented. what i do feel is that all ideas should be measured on whether or not liberty is taken away strictly on what some may believe. example, gay marriage. I know that most religious doctrine forbid this. I feel that people should be afforded the same legal benefits no matter what. if a law benefits only married people, then either the law needs extended or the concept of marriage needs changed. i do not want to start a debate on that topic, so please dont. its an example.

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    • xxyz223
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:16pm

      Thanks for the comment, KRYSS187. I’m glad to know that there are other atheist conservatives out there. Really feels like we’re not welcome, though.

      To everyone curious about how atheists are being affected by the religious (and Christians in general), just look at the comments to this article. We are hated just for being, and it’s an open and blatant disregard for our opinion and ideas. Replace “atheist” with “black person” in these comments, and I’m curious how many people would be willing to speak it aloud. As for Christianity, it’s not a direct attack toward any particular faith, but all religion. Christianity just happens to be the biggest and most influential in this country, so it‘s easy for a Christian to assume it’s them we’re talking about.

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    • TruthLover
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 1:38am

      @JNCARLOS – LOL! Sometimes sarcasm is the only response.

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    • 66Stitches
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 4:08pm

      Finally, another conservative atheist, thought I was the only one. Why is it that christians can do nothing but quote from a book written by other men? Original thought is obviously discouraged, and if you ask a question they do not have an answer for, it’s chalked up to being “a mystery of god”. Having read the entire bible and a good chunk of the Koran, is it any wonder I’m an atheist? The universal theme is all those who don’t believe as you do are to be killed. Bloodthirsty, egomaniacal, spoiled brat sky fairies. I have found in all my years that religion is the base cause of low self-esteem and depression. I feel better about myself as a person than I did with religion in my life. People try to make themselves feel better by telling themselves that “God” loves them. I am quite content with having the love of my kids and my mate, and they can give me hugs. I don’t crave attention and approval from invisible friends, nor do I put my life on hold to run and grovel on my knees for protection just to go to work every day. If you have to ask “God” to protect you on your way to work, maybe you should consider not driving like a rabid idiot. If you have to ask your “Father” for permission to even eat your dinner, maybe you should try acting like a grown adult for once in your life. When you judge others and condemn them to “hell”, you honestly sound like little brats in a schoolyard: “NahNahNah, teacher likes me and not you, so there!” Imagine you are in a middle school and hear 2 girls talking: Girl #1: “Hey, J says he really likes you!” Girl #2: “I don’t like him, he scares me.” Girl #1: “Yeah, he heard you don’t like him back, so he’s going to kill you.” Anyone would be running for a phone to call the police and report this. But you have the VERY SAME conversation and throw “God’s” name in there and everyone loves it. If I told you one of my kids got an F on their report card, so I’m going to turn on the oven and bake that child for the next 10 years, you would have me charged with child abuse so fast that oven couldn’t even preheat. Yet you say this is what your “God” is going to do to ME and expect me to fall down on my knees and love the master child abuser (even YOU see him as a hero for sending his own son to be killed). Think about the stories you tell everyone about your “God”, and how you scare children with this monster. (”God is watching you ALL the time, even when you’re sleeping or in the bathtub.”) No wonder more and more people end up in the psychiatrist’s office. My mother is one of those people, and I refuse to become like her.

      ‘I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees’

      (Kryss, my use of the word ‘you’ in the above writing applies to christians and other zealots, not to YOU personally.)

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    • Freidenker
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:46pm

      DanB said
      “from my point of view, atheism IS a religion. It is a religion based on the BELIEF that there is no god/God”

      How can the absence of a concept like god be a religion, if the concept of god never existed in the first place? There seems to be a logical failing here.

      “So if you truly want us believers in God to be quiet about our religion, then you MUST want atheists to be quiet about theirs too. So you should object to these signs if you truly want religion out of the public discussion”

      Sounds like a win win to me. You don’t show me yours, I don’t show you mine.

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  • Sicboy
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:37pm

    15″The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!
    I say let them have it “the world” I live on this world but am not part of it.

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  • dwoodard67
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:34pm

    When I read about Steven Hawking, this verse came to mind.

    1) 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

    When I read this latest news story, this one did.

    2) Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”…

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    • kryss187
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:44pm

      So, what you are saying is to not try to learn what is not known and to not try things which seem impossible. Sounds horrible. And the quote…it sounds egotistic and proud.

      “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear”?

       
    • joshua
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:12pm

      For not All are the Lost Sheep of Israel, that is all the Creator is mercifully buying Time for….and those of us that are out of the nations, who choose to Obey and Honor this Creator by walking in His Appointed Times, Living His Commandments, and Praising the Father AS WE LIVE our Lives….well the Blood of the Passover Lamb covers our Trespasses just the Same….Repent, Yahshua (aka Jesus) is Coming to Reign on Earth and Judge men by their Deeds with fervant Heat….then those who Sought not the Lord of Creation will return to their homes…..Darkness forever

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    • Fellowservant
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:17pm

      kryss187, It takes quite a twisted mind to derive that from the quoted scriptures above.

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    • kryss187
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:01pm

      Not twisted…
      1) 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;

      if the wise are confounded, confused, about something it must be foolish.

      and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

      this say to me that weak things are to confuse the mighty. implying that if the mighty cant do it, it’s beneath them to try.

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    • chai
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 9:41pm

      Kryss, so you think faith is blindfolded fear? Poor soul, I feel sorry for you. From a devout Catholic…

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  • Freelancer
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:33pm

    Boy are these fools going to be surprised when the elevator arrives and they only find a “down” button in it….

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    • missmarie
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:13pm

      Tee-hee-hee

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    • getpd4it
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:36pm

      The following is just my humble opinions.

      I thank GOD some of you are NOT God. “elevator goes only down” a non believer of YOUR specific religion is a “fool”, boy are you all so quick and more importantly QUALIFIED to pass judgement over others? Were you ALL born so much purer than the God you claim you believe in? Because surely as good a person he was, he would not condone you showing so much hatred yourselves.

      How can so many of you be so quick to condemn someone without viewing the good they did, the ethics or morals they represent or stood for. I was always taught to judge yourself first. There appears to be more hypocrites, crooks and killers who practice a faith than athesits so are those Christians in the making?

      Every time I have been lied to, burned in a business deal it has been at the hands of someone who wears religion on their sleeve, preaches GOD BLESS to every one and every thing said claiming they are born again Christians.

      I have no problem allowing the word God to be in our pledge of allegiance, on our money, in our daily lives whether I claim to be a devout Catholic or not. But then you get the others who say I want Mohammed named on our money, Allah in our pledges, where does it end?

      Sometimes what is fair for all is not give it to even one…..but that is for my children to decide in the years ahead. My father taught me you can believe anywhere. You can pray anywhere. You can be a believer or non believer, it is for you to be a good person.

      I have always been one of those people who needs to have something proven to her. Need to see it for myself before I render an opinion, take a position I must learn it for myself and until I do, not one person out there should judge me or others.

      Some of us are NOT atheists, just have their own beliefs and seek more knowledge or evidence but are not kool aid drinkers because we are TOLD to drink it.

      BECK is trying to UNITE everyone, he does NOT condemn, he has found a higher power that has done him some good so he hopes everyone finds their own faith, their own beliefs and here I see those who support him, dividing the group that is being part of the PROBLEM rather than part of the solution so I suggest you live and let live or learn that first before passing judgement on others.

      Try to be the best person you can, help others love your family and especially your children but allow them to learn for themselves, allow them to seek the truth themselves or you are NO different than those whom you oppose.

      Restore morals, family values and ethics and stop being a do gooder than causes more damage, learn to LIVE and LET live.

      Now have a nice life, keep smilin!

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    • Venom
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:48pm

      Condemn others to hell….wow i wouldnt want that on my worst enemy…everybody deserves redemption…not very christian thing to say…

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    • Freidenker
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:37pm

      And the down button goes down 6 feet. Unless you’re cremated of course.

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  • NoStar
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:31pm

    For forty two years I didn’t believe in God, but I changed when the Holy Spirit showed me that atheists don’t have a prayer.

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:37pm

      What did the holy spirit look like and what did it show you exactly?

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    • HealOurLand
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:47pm

      It takes an atheist to think you have to see a spirit to believe in it. Or in this case, see the Holy Spirit to believe in Him. I suppose there‘s no such thing as wind either since you can’t see it. When you feel the affect of wind, you know it’s there. It’s no different with God.

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    • Large Eagle
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:07pm

      Yes indeed the Holy Spirit reveals when you pray. I checked a few Bible versions and I can’t find the word Atheism. Similar results on words like Jihad, Muslim, Islam, Palestine etc. Humans invented religion to justify their inability to follow GODS laws. Maybe that is why most Christians have such a bad rap with the unbelievers. I am a sinner but I am on the recovery while I TRY to walk in CHRIST. Be Blessed – Power to Prosper

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    • missmarie
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:11pm

      I’ve never understood why the message of Joy, Faith, Hope, Peace and Love is so offensive to some. I’m not sure why living a life based on morals and virtues is so appalling. I believe in the Lord. I love my God. I believe He loves me. If I’m wrong in my death, at least my life has been filled with love. What’s wrong with that?

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:26pm

      Healourland, so the holy spirit feels like wind? I am not impressed.

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    • Venom
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:44pm

      Your looking for proof you will never find. it takes faith

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    • jncarlos
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 6:19pm

      benditlikebeck is not interested in actual conversation, just in mocking people he feels he is superior to

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    • cacjohn
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 6:19pm

      Benditlikebeck – If you end up in hell, it was your choice not His. I am praying for you.

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 9:55pm

      I’m happy to have a conversation. I would just like to know how the holy spirit manifested itself to NOSTAR to make him a believer. Did it talk to him, show himself, pass as a gust of wind, or what? How did he recognize it as the holy spirit?

      CACJOHN, I disagree. It would seem to me that if he is my creator and omnipotent it is his fault I’d be going to hell. He made me the nonbeliever I am. I often hear that god “has a plan” and apparently that would mean it is in his plan for me to go to hell. He is at least culpable for not doing anything to save me from hell. He could come down and perform some of his magic tricks for me and maybe change my mind, or as an all-powerful being simply wave his magic wand and save me from hell. If he is such a forgiving and loving god, why doesn’t he just close the place entirely?

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:45am

      Yes, the HOLY GHOST WILL SPEAK TO YOUR MIND AND HEART IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU WILL KNOW GOD EXISTS AND LOVES YOU. tHE PROBLEM FOR5 ATHIEASTS IS THAT THEY WON’T EVEN ASK BECAUSE WHEN THE ANSWER COMES, THEY WILL HAV TO CHANGE.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:48am

      bENDIT: tHE hOLY gHOST IS A PERSONAGE OF SPIRIT MATTER AND THUS CAN NOT BEEN SEEN WITH THE HUMAN EYE. When this spirit personage enters your body, you will KNOW 100% that God exists. The Holy Ghost will answer any sincere question but if mocking is the motivation, you will never know.

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    • Jcannon98042
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:16pm

      @Benditlikebeck

      1.) The Holy Spirit never recieved a physical body. No one can ‘See’ the spirit. What we call the spirit, many call your conscience. It tells you what is right and what is wrong through whisperings (you know, kinda like when you talk to yourself in your head. Don’t lie, we all do it :P ) feelings, and by placing certain events in your life.

      2.) How could you as a conservative say the god MADE you a nonbeliever. He set you in this world with every oppurtunity to find him. And he gave you the freedom to believe in him or not to believe in him. If he would MAKE you believe in him, then you would have no freedom. And correct me if I am wrong, but that sounds kind of dictatorship like to me. Last time I checked conservatives don’t like Dictators. So what is it benditlikebeck, are you a conservative or are you a supporter of Dictatorships.

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    • Jcannon98042
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:35pm

      Also, bend it like beck,

      you said “what doesnt he close the place entirely”. Not every christian believes he didn’t. The mormons believe that Jesus died for all of our sins. That means if you are atheist then you don’t go to hell. It doesnt matter. He still saved you. Only those who commit blasphemes against god, (meaning those who knew without a doubt and had a perfect understanding of god, and then worked to destroy him and his church) murderers rapists and others like unto that, will spend eternity in hell. Our god is a loving god. He doesn’t care if you believe in the wrong god either (he would prefer you to believe in him still :p ) but the very fact that you had faith is still good enough to him. He is not cruel and vendictive, but kind and loving. He died so all men are free, not just christians.

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    • cacjohn
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 7:24pm

      Benditlikebeck – I get your thinking, I come across this argument all the time. However, God gave us the precious gift known as free-will. We have the freedoms to choose hell or eternal life with God. I however must dissagree with the mormons when they claim “faith” regardless of the god, will get you into Heaven – the Scripture does not say that (Seee John 14:6). We have opportunities in our life (like this one) to share (in my case) and hear (in your case) the gospel and do with it as we please, i.e. freedom to choose our destiny. God is not a tyranical god. He gives us the freedom to choose Hell or Heaven – all it takes is believing that Jesus WAS the Son of God and that He dies for us (see John 3:16). Unfortunately, organized religions (including the Mormons) have added man-made rules (Joseph Smith was not a god folks) and therfore have made salvation difficult, lack of a better word. God gave us the desire to free people/individuals – we CRAVE freedom. Therfore, His son made it very clear that “The Truth shall set you free”. Since we all desire to be free, we then must seek the truth. So I guess the big question for you is, have you seeked the truth? I will continue to pray you find it – and find it in Him, not a religion, but a relationship.

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    • Freidenker
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 7:49pm

      Temporal lobe epilepsy, perhaps? Again, visions and hearing god will be explainable by science as a material disorder.

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    • Freidenker
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:34pm

      Cacjohn, this idea of Free Will sounds great, but what does it mean when you have an omniscient, omnipotent god? We know that we have the choice to believe in whichever god we want, but what if we do not an blaspheme? This omniscient god knows everything, paraphrasing from alpha to omega, from the beginning of the word until the end times prophecies in the bible. If such a god knows exactly what will happen at the apocolypse, wouln’t that omniscient god also know that I was going to blaspheme, and therefore that I would be bound for hell before I even knew it myself? And if not, would not this god not be omniscient – perhaps like the god in the old testament who asked where Adam and Eve where hiding? Take it either way, we have free will, but it doesn’t mean anything other than we have the choice to live the lives we do, either helpful or hurtful. The threat of eternal sanction doesn’t seem to be logical in this case, except to keep us scared to act in a certain way in the here and now.

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    • cedarnsage
      Posted on September 10, 2010 at 10:41am

      Odd isn’t it..atheists may not believe in God…but at least they believe in something!!!

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  • mavsfan75
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:29pm

    Amen to that, only through the power of the Lord can we spread the truth that is Atheism!

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:08pm

      My fellow Christians:

      I have tried to have thoughtful dialogues with atheists for over 40 years. It is a waste of time. i EVEN HAD ONE SAY TO ME THAT if “gOD” APPEARED TO HIM, HE WOULD BELIEVE IT IS SIMPLY A DELUSION OF HIS MIND. SPEND TIME REACHING OUT TO THOSE WHO LOVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

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    • Freidenker
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 7:46pm

      Some people that see gods suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy – perhaps something that affected various profits and even Saul of Tarsus. Today many neuro researchers are finding things about the brain that may have evolved in order to help mankind with its environment. Perhaps we will know in a few years more about why people hear and see gods and what it means for mankind.

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    • redneckphilosopher
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 8:03pm

      I‘m just a simple man so I can’t understand why non believers spend so much time and energy on something they don’t think even exist. Who are you trying to convince those who believe or yourself? The truth about my faith has nothing to do with what I did in my life but everything Jesus did for mankind in his life.

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    • captainbill66
      Posted on September 10, 2010 at 12:52am

      I keep hearing the same things here that some are going to tell God they lived a good life and did the best they could etc, etc.

      But if the truth be known…..they will not say or explain anything. There won’t be a trial…..just judgment passed.

      And the only reason anyone doesn’t know this before they die is like all these people who voted on and passed all these bills out here. Made up there minds to believe a lie rather than read the bill first.

      Remember? We must pass the bill before we can know what’s in it.

      Well God’s Word is not like this. We can actually know what’s in it first….but before you know what in it ……you have to read it.
      So don’t deceive yourself. You can never stand before God and say you didn’t know because He left His Word in every corner of His creation. Anyone, anywhere in this whole world can get their hands on the Bible if they really want to find out what’s in it. God has made this possible.

      You can‘t know what’s in by skipping through it like was done on so many bills in government today but you actually have to read it.

      Yes my friends……there is a judgment day coming and not a trial day.
      When the lost stand before God it will be to late for they won’t be able to say anything.
      It’s all in the Book. Just maybe it’s worth your while to read it?

      ANYONE WHO WILL SEEK ME WILL FIND ME.
      Jesus was either the worlds biggest liar or He is who He claims to be.
      The ONLY WAY to God.

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  • Rose2010
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:27pm

    I understand that this is what freedom of speech is all about, but . . . what if they’re wrong? What if God really does exist? Why go out of your way to hack Him off?

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:14pm

      And what if he doesn’t exist? You’ve wasted your life believing in fairy tales, needlessly obstructed social progress, and all of those tortured and murdered in the name of your god was all in vain.

      And what if you’re believing in the wrong god?

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:30pm

      Both big WHATS IFs, but Id rather be wrong and there be no God than be wrong and there be one!

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    • Sicboy
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:30pm

      “what if” is for children. Not a single Christian I know thinks their belief in God is a waste of time.

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:41pm

      True Sicboy. A Christian who would realize that their faith is a waste of time would be an atheist.

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    • superfide
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:41pm

      If God does not exist, the believer has still found meaning in his or her life–which is more than any atheist can say.

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    • PMDLady
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:53pm

      Trying to reply to Benditlikebeck, My life has not been wasted if I die and there is no afterlife. I have chosen to live the very best life I can based on principles that enrich not only my life but those of others as well. It helps to know that there is a God and that he plans to reward me for making tough decisions that ultimately bless me and my family and others. The concept of the wrong God is interesting. A just God would consider what I understand to be right and judge me based on my integrity to those principles. As to your killing in the name of my God comment…I haven’t done any of that lately. :-)

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    • DanB
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:59pm

      “A Christian who would realize that their faith is a waste of time would be an atheist.” And what is an atheist that realizes that their faith (of sorts) is a waste of time? What would they be? Hint: These people have, and do, exist. Ah, it is fun when the argument cuts both ways, isn’t it?

      Plus, however, I hate to break it to you, but “A Christian who would realize that their faith is a waste of time would be an atheist” is not always true. This is called a fallacy, I think. And might be a bit arrogant. See, I know Christians that stopped being Christians and became Jews, and even some that became polytheists. Some just become agnostic, neither Christian nor atheist. In fact, while I know some atheists, none of the ones I know have yet declared in my presence that they were once Christian. While there is an agnostic (former Christian) that I know that might sort of leaning towards atheist, but I don’t know, I could be wrong and maybe they lean more Christian….

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    • TomBurpee
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:06pm

      @BENDITLIKEBECK
      I find it interesting you say such a thing. But in your belief.. We all rot in boxes buried six feet in the ground, then turn into dust eventually. So.. There won’t be any remorse over fairy tales, seeing as how we don’t have souls that exist beyond our physical form.
      Kind of defeats the cold satisfaction you’re looking for as tormented metaphysical consciousness(es) bemoan the non-existance of an Omni-Powerful/Present creator..
      Which is harder to believe, the Universe as a whole is an accident (life, planets, gravity, and so on), or a divine presence created all that is before you?
      I find the latter a bit more believable than “POOOF!” existence.

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    • benditlikebeck
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:28pm

      Right, a wizard must have made the poof.

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    • jncarlos
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 6:10pm

      You misunderstand atheist philosophy. God can’t exist because then he would be smarter than they are, and since they KNOW, without any reservation whatsoever, that God can‘t or doesn’t exist, then they must be the smartest beings in the universe, since they know enough to KNOW that there is no POSSIBLE way God could exist.
      Atheist don‘t admit they BELIEVE God doesn’t exist, they say they KNOW God doesn’t exist. To say “I believe there is no God” would make it a religion, or at least make them admit that atheism is a religion already.
      So you see the contradiction inherent in their thinking…

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    • DanB
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 6:22pm

      So an atheist knowing instead of believing? Interesting. Considering that most many of us believe we know there is a god/God. Interesting indeed. If I were to share my testimony of God, I have very good odds of saying “I know… God… Christ” and the works. Does that mean my belief is knowing or my knowing is belief? And, yes, I know God is real. I know Christ is the Son of God. But do I think I can prove that to an atheist? No. No more than it can be proven to me that there is no god/God. So we are at an impasse. I know one thing. And they know something completely different. And personally, I really have no problem with it. I believe (or know) that God allows everyone their freedom, and that includes freedom to interpret the world around them according to their desires. I choose to believe in God, and an atheist chooses to believe there is no god/God. We both believe the other choose poorly. Isn’t that interesting. By the way, I understand that there was a famous author that started Christian, turned atheist, and then actually chose to become Christian again. My understanding is that during his second stint as a Christian that he believed most of us Christians totally missed the mark and fell short in our understanding of God and Christ.

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    • tlynn061
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 9:54pm

      God does exist, and there is only one God. I hope you find him before judgement day. That emptiness that is in your life will no longer exist when you allow God into your life. God bless you :)

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    • idefine
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:53am

      is god so petty?

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    • idefine
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:57am

      if there is or isn‘t doesn’t matter, the principles of most relegion is good, a good way to lead life, don’t be bad, be good. if nothing else for the sake of karma. you can be an athiest and still live your life according to principles that respect individual rights

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    • MikeSerious
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 1:13am

      Hi Rose:)
      Well, God does not exist, firstly. We can know this by the extraoridnry results of science in every field of human endeavor. Where science succeeds, there are no miracles, no Hand from the 5th dimension re-ordering reality to our fancy or for our succor. There is just a regular, ordered reality that we learn from.
      The reason to emphatically deny God’s existence is that to NOT deny it is to leave oneself vulnerable to the ethical vaporings of the religious leaders, who have more or less taken it upon themselves t be the ethical “experts” of this generation. We must never forget that the ethics of altruism, said to be the core of all religious beliefs, has led to communism, fascism, and the welfare state.

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    • idefine
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 1:18am

      what annoys me about so many of these people who berate non believers is they think because they were empty or lost in life, until they ‘found god” that everyone who doesn’t believe is like them, or like the way they were, lost, empty, evil, drug addicts, meaninless life. really shallow and a bit arrogant. good for you, you found a philosophy in life finally and filled your empty drunken life with meaning. I have a full life, i don’t drink or do drugs, don’t have any empty place in my stomach or soul, am honest and respect others, i have a full set of believes, but i don’t believe in god. i am not missing anything, and if there is a god, great, i live a good life, if there isn’t great, i live a good life. don’t be such arrogant imposing jerks about it.

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    • ati058
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 5:31am

      To the question of faith, What if? If I am wrong and God does not exist then when I die all that I’ve lost is the knowledge that my life was an insignificant, accidental phenomenon in a very cold universe; however, If I am right then I would have lived a good life, serving my God.

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    • Craigly
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 8:05am

      @BENDITLIKEBECK: I’m a Christian. If you‘re right and I’m wrong about the existence of God, neither of us gain anything in the afterlife. If I‘m right and you’re wrong, I gain everything and you lose everything.

      Psalm 14:1 – The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.

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    • bakerpasd24
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:32pm

      @benditlikebeck

      My friend…If you believe in nothing, and I have repented and put my entire faith in Jesus Christ, then on the day of judgement…..you’re going to Hell. In your reality…..I’m still fine.

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    • LJ_4_JESUS
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:36pm

      Rose2010 don’t worry ( Romans 3:4 God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.) No one is going to be able to say that I am sorry I did not understand give me another chance after that person leaves this mortal life. I think people should wake up it is getting close.

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    • LJ_4_JESUS
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:46pm

      Benditlikebeck wrote ( And what if you’re believing in the wrong god?) note small g. ( Deuteronomy 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regards not persons, nor takes reward ) Notice uppercase G over lower case g.

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    • oneerc
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 5:06pm

      SUPERFIDE, I’m an Athiest and I feel very strongly that my life is just as meaningful as yours. I do a lot to help my fellow man, without having any Faith in a supernatural being. You don’t have claim to meaningfulness just because you believe in God. To say so just shows you have a privileged attitude, not some insider knowledge of what’s right.

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  • poppopschell
    Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:22pm

    I will speak as a Progressive would to these billboards. “What hatred these folks have.”

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:29pm

      I wonder what the late Thelma McQueen thinks of being “free from religion” now??

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    • Arov
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 5:14pm

      @POPPOPSCHELL: Do you practice being stupid in front of a mirror? Where have you found hate in there? “In Reason We Trust” is too hateful for you? Or is “Sleep in on Sundays” just too much for your precious feelings? If you’re going to live in a liberal society, learn to tolerate others. There is nothing hateful about these ads (something that cannot be said for, oh, I don’t know, maybe the concept of hell that is so ever-present in the main three death cults of the desert).

      @JJ COOLAY: Absolutely nothing.

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    • jncarlos
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 6:03pm

      Obviously Arov, being most likely a liberal himself, does not see the irony and sarcasm in your post. Either that or he is entirely superficial, which means he merely responded in his pre-programmed way.
      In any event, I do have a question for Arov:
      Where is the hate in most of the things liberals cry over?

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 7:04pm

      AROV, you cased you missed my sarcasm I will make it plainer for you. I don’t see any hatred in any of the ads BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PROGRESSIVES SAY TO OTHERS WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM. Look at how Progr4eesswives attacked the love fest that was the Restoring Honor event was.

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    • Arov
      Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:55pm

      @JNCARLOS: No, I’m not a liberal and I have no desire to answer your question.
      @POPPOPSCHELL: You’re right, I missed the sarcasm, something that might you have noticed, is often difficult to discern in written language. My apologies. Your comment still puzzles me, though.

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    • poppopschell
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 12:42am

      AROV: what puzzles you? I will try to answer any questions you have. OK?

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    • JJ Coolay
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 7:52am

      @Arov: Absolutely nothing? Wow, pretty certain of that?

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    • Markgraf
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:16am

      I think JJ has the right of it. Christians and Muslims believe that one day you will stand before your creator, know his love for you and understand the depth of your sin. I imagine in one brief moment before your judgement or forgiveness, you will get the chance to explain yourself. I wonder what explanation will be good enough to explain these actions of hate and disbelief?

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    • captainbill66
      Posted on September 9, 2010 at 8:33pm

      This is all to silly. In the first place there is no such thing as an atheist. Only liars . God has put in every mans heart a void so man would seek Him. God even left instructions on how to find Him.
      And God says over and over again…..ANYONE WHO WILL SEEK ME WILL FIND ME.

      And God never said to seek Him the way we thought we should but to seek Him His WAY. And He still did more. He gave EVERY MAN a measure of faith. But some choose to put their faith in everything and everyone (including themselves) and not use it to find God. No one can ever find God without using the faith He gave them to find Him. When I hear people say they are an atheist it’s as ridiculous as some saying they use to be a Christian. No such thing as that either. Once someone finds God there is no denying Him at all. Calling oneself a Christian does not a Christian make.
      There is only one way to find God and that’s His way….through Jesus the Christ, Gods only begotten Son.
      The message here is “THROUGH” Christ. When one comes to Jesus and RECEIVES Him then they have all the proof they will ever need that God is exactly who He claim to be.

      Everyone will know God someday and that He is who He claims to be but it will be far to late for most.
      For one day EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. It will happen folks. To every person who ever lived on this earth.

      But God still gives us the choice to believe and use the faith He gave us to do it, or we can put our faith in anything we want. We can use it to disbelieve Him or even put it in ourselves, man made gods etc. He left that part all up to us. But if we don’t find God we will die in our sins with this void still in us and He is the only one who can fill it. Has to be here though. When we take our last breath….it’s over. Then comes eternity. With or without God. It’s all up to us.
      No more chances.

      If anyone seeks God….he will find Him. I and a few more millions have found God but most of you want some kind of proof before you will believe.

      It’s kind of funny in a way.
      Man says to God, prove yourself and then I will believe, but God has said to man….. Believe First and then I will Prove MYSELF.
      No one can Believe and seek Christ without that little faith God instilled in everyone.

      In Him….there is life. (eternal)

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