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ABC Tries to Trivialize the Founders: ‘Guys Who Didn’t Give Women the Vote and Let Slavery Stand’

What better way to celebrate America’s independence than trying to trivialize its founders? If it sounds odd, just know that that’s what ABC News did during its Fourth of July weekend coverage.

In a “This Week” piece regarding the Constitution and referencing the founders, ABC’s John Donvan made this curious statement:

The reality is that the framers – posed in paintings as though frozen on an American Olympus – they were not gods, they were guys – guys who didn’t give women the vote and let slavery stand for the time being and who, by the way, were trying to create at the time a stronger central government, of course not too strong, leaving to us a Constitution that we could fix, as needed, – sorry, make that amend – which we’ve now done 27 times.

What Donvan doesn’t seem to understand is that the founders were brilliant enough to create a document that could expand. That was the point. The amendment procedure was essential to the Constitution, and was utilized early on to create the Bill of Rights. And it was through that process that women were given the right to vote.

Donvan also doesn’t seem to understand the three-fifths compromise. Many try to use that section of the Constitution — which counted the slave population as three-fifths* — to show the founders were decidedly pro-slavery. But actually, the controversial segment was used to help defeat slavery. That’s because the slave states wanted to count the slaves as full people in order to gain more power. But if that happened, it could have had severe consequences in enshrining slavery in the country forever. So the “compromise” was reached to only count the entire slave population* as three-fifths, thus creating a more even balance of power.

Additionally, as Noel Sheppard points out over at NewsBusters, the piece comes as TIME magazine wonders how relevant the Constitution is. But it also comes as CNN’s Fareed Zakaria asked recently if the document needs to be updated, citing Iceland as an example and characterizing its original creation as an ancient relic created by a bunch of old guys behind closed doors.

Is there really any doubt that our Constitution is under fire?

*UPDATE:

Blaze reader Troy from Memphis reminded me of the exact history surrounding the compromise, which has led me to change this sentence to note the entire population was counted as three-fifths, not each individual slave:

Though you are correct about the reason for including the 3/5 compromise you are incorrect in stating that slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person. This is a common misunderstanding and has led to many believing that the founders did not consider black slaves as people. Now, quoting from the Constitution:

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

It clearly states that three fifths of all other persons are to be counted, not that all other persons are to be counted as three fifths of a person. There’s a subtle but huge difference there. The end result is the same – the south get less representation in Congress – but the means to get there are not exactly what you stated.

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  • MaggieRose
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:31am

    Proving once again why it is so important to know the TRUTH about our history and teach it to our children.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:27am

    ABC is just another cog in the wheel of the dinosaur media,I haven’t watched that tripe in years which are run by the progressive propaganda machine.These people know what they‘re saying isn’t true and their goal is the destruction of the capitalist system.

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  • WTSpike
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:26am

    As an American citizen, I have the RIGHT to live under its Constitution, it’s laws, and its protections. Whether some dumb talking heads feel that it’s a relic or not, it is still the supreme law of the land, and it is a gift to us from the Founders. We should all be trying to protect it, and make sure that the Federal Government abides by its tenets.

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  • Love glenn protect glenn
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:23am

    Maybe at that time slavery was a “every country did it” practice? In Asia, at least, during the time, the royal famiy was the only master group, and everyone from the Prime Minister down were the “Slaves.”

    Besides, in history, slaves were usually the result of a weak tribe losing a war to a stronger tribe. The women were used as sex slaves, children and men were used as labors, useless people were killed.

    As for women’s right. Just 100 years ago, Chinese proper women were kept strictly house bound. Just like what the Middle East people do to their women now.

    People screaming for Political Correctness are only showing their ignorance of the history and geography.

    African-Americans are treated like royalty here in America right now. Look at Africa, Haiti, … No one gets FREE anything in any other country (other than, Europe, America, and Japan. All of these countries are now in huge financial troubles.)

    I hope African-Americans realize that if they help Obama run-down America and the wonderful, hard working, tax paying Americans; the result is not good for the African-Americans, because no other country care.

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  • robert
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:23am

    Muslims don’t allow their women to vote even today. They can’t drive cars. They can’t be alone in the company of a man who is not a relative. They have to wear a pile of clothes that cover their bodies entirely even in 100 plus temperatures.

    Penalties consist of beatings, stoning to death, amputation of feet and hands in addition to other atrocities. Too, their are Arab traders who indulge in kind of slavery roday as well.

    But would this Donovan geek dare criticize Muslims? Of course not. His religion…political correctness…would not allow it.

    But white Crhristians are free game for his denigrating comments, based in lies and half-truths.

    This is an excellent example of who our worst enemies are. It is the white fools who are so dim-witted they carry the water for every anti-white Christian miscreant that comes down the pike, too stupid to understand they are no more than useful idiots to be disposed of at the right time.

    Soon these types are going to have to come to terms with people who will be demanding they explain themselves and punished accordingly. They should be purged from any future society that forms after this debacle is over and done with. And, I have no doubt they’re not going to like what the future has in store for them.

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  • DasMouse
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:18am

    Is there any wonder why network news viewership is way down?

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  • nomercy63
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:15am

    Putting your 21st century views on men of the 18th century, I don’t think that is a good idea!!! In order for the 13 colonies to become the USA, it was the only way to do it, the founders provided for changes in the Constitution if you bother to read it once in awhile!

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  • Popp40
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:14am

    Time Magazine wonders how “relevent” the Constitution is….well shouldn’t the same be asked about Time Magazine, and shouldn’t we through ABC in there as well. After all they are nothing more than lap dogs for the current administration.

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:13am

    What ignorance and blatant propoganda.

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  • rightwingheroes
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:10am

    I’m taking names and when the stuff hits the fan, I know who is who.

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:09am

    JESUS, we ask YOU for YOUR help in redeeming the press / media in our country. We need good, investigative reporters who know YOU, LORD, and who respect YOU, our country and the people who live here. GOD, we do not need any more liars, perverts or state-owned and controlled pablum. We need truth, YOUR TRUTH. Thank YOU, GOD, that YOU are raising up some people with conscience who cannot be bought who will research and report facts, not sick, misguided opinions from satan himself.

    We love YOU, LORD. Thank YOU for this day that YOU have made just for us. We WILL rejoice and be glad in it. In JESUS’ name, amen!

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  • tobywil2
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:08am

    The wannabe tyrants must destroy any lingering support for the Constitution to achieve their dictatorship! http://commonsense21c.com/

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  • Striker
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:06am

    This is just more evidence that the leftist media in this country wants fundimental change and they want to start by marginalizing the Constitution. These people have no idea of what makes this country great. If one man takes care of his family without government help, then that is one family that does’t TAKE from the government but GIVES back to society. Unfortunately, the left thinks that guy had to screw the little guy in order to get it done.
    Everyone please, take responsibiliy for your families or you will become dependant on the leftist and that will end our country.

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  • jeff.cooper
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:05am

    Seidl makes a great, and accurate point about the 3/5 compromise. ABC News, along with most other media outlets, has a misconception about the 3/5 compromise, or they habitually misrepresent it on purpose to push an agenda. Whatever the case, the Constitution does not need to be changed, replaced, nor is it flawed that we have had to “fix” it. Since the left doesn’t want to live within the law of the land, they want to change it so it suits their needs. Furthermore, the left is marginalizing the heros of Conservatives, Tea Party members, and Constitutionalists because they can’t argue the merits of their Utopia – an end to Capitalism and the rise of a european-styled socialist state.

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  • travlman77
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:05am

    Can you imagine what kind of constitution lawmakers of today would come up with, and how many lawyers it would take to figure it out, if they could ever complete it.
    Even the best of our present day elected officials can’t hold a candle to our Founding Fathers

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  • Sarah Louise Palin - Part Time Politician, Full Time Parasite
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:03am

    I do not see where ABC trivialized the founders. Sure, they did not tell the whole story, but the whole story would have likely taken an hour or more to do it correctly. They (ABC) did release a ‘snippet’ of American history. And yes, their portrayal of the founders were right. We can‘t simply omit parts of our history because we don’t like it like many people like Sarah Palin, Bachmann, and others have tried to do. Even when the GOP leadership in early 2011 read the US constitution in chambers on the record, they omitted parts of it. This is wrong. We need to own our countries history in its entirety and not just the parts we like or agree with.

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    • vonkrogh1951
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:24am

      Your a Palin hating idiot! What part of you or the rest your wako friends is Palin taking anything asway from? You liberal types are happy to take money from the working, taxpayer and give it to those who are the real parasites. Palin is not on the government dole.

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    • s-n-t
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:49am

      There’s a difference between not telling the whole story due to time constraints and using that excuse to deliberately misrepresent our history in order to shape our future in a decidedly un-American and anti-Constitution manner. Why mischaracterize the 3/5 compromise? Because ABC was out of time, or because it is out of synch with our founders, our history, and – as a result – our future prosperity?

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    • Wiz001
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:41am

      Idiots are everywhere.. You obviously do not know much about the history of this country.. It was the liberals who wanted to keep slaves in chains and women from voting and you back them? the founders wanted to end slavery in the constitution and some even gave their slaves freedom before it ended. Also did you know there were black American shoppe keepers and judges, not all blacks back then were slave and not all white were free (mostly Irish were indentured to someone ie.. slaves). You are probably too young to have gotten the proper history in school so we can forgive that. BUT you can do research on the net now and learn how GREAT this country really is (and how the democrats passed the Brown law as soon as Linclon was cold) and has been. Just because Palin and Bachman know more about the history of this country, than the media that is destroying it, you try to discredit them..Guess you can’t find good things to say about your people so try and take someone else down??
      God Bless our Troops

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    • liberal_equals_liar
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:49am

      The problem is that ABC has tried to put only a negative light on the Founders during a day when we celebrate a great achievement of theirs. The excuse you use that telling the whole story would take too long is BS. ABC is attempting to undercut our history and you know it.

      Nice try, liar.

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    • Okieflyover
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 11:43am

      Why all of the hate on Palin and Bachmann?

      If you want to go after someone who does not know anything about our history and who does not want to speak well of our country, why don’t you point at Obama.

      It doesn’t take an hour to point out that the founders such as Ben Franklin were greatly against slavery. It doesn’t take an hour to come at this from the perspective that noone, in over 200 years, has been able to duplicate what these men did. People fight to come to this country and fight to stay here once they are here. What other country has that issue or has set that kind of environment up?

      The founding of this country and getting these colonies was not going to happen if the only issue on the table was abolishing slavery. The founders set the framework for getting rid of it with the 3/5ths clause. The fact that most don’t understand that is not their fault, it is the educational system’s failure to teach that and now enough people misunderstand that history enough to have totally confused it as common fact.

      Democrats have bastardized our history and have demeaned our founders in every way possible. The fact that there were so many inaccuracies in a piece on a major news network should shock people, but it doesn’t.

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    • Lou Ellen Brown
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:30pm

      SarahLouiseTroll. You are out doing the Obama’s bidding, aren’t you. Shame on you for belittling someone who has an actual belief in and love for her country. The Founders would have been glad to have her on their side. Do you have a clue about what those men went through to establish this country, and not for you to spit on? The Constitution clearly stated that all Americans could vote, and some did, some didn’t. 1920 made it easier. Get a life, and a history book written before Bill Ayers rewrote it.

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    • michael48
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 3:54pm

      get back in grannies garage…comrade…lemming patrol is in the hood…

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    • 4BlueStars
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:16am

      @to Sarah Louise Palin – Go away.
      If you have something useful to say without being ugly we’ll listen.
      Otherwise go hang out at HuffPo. Ugly is welcome there.

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    • Amren
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 1:41pm

      @Sarah Louise Palin – Part Time Politician, Full Time Parasite,
      Until you actually read the Constitution, SHUT UP! The 8th graders I teach know more about the Constitution than you or any other Lib in office now. Especially DICK Durban, who believes that an ILLEGAL ALIEN can EVER be President! Sure, Sarah may get a date wrong, but she’s never “F’ed up” as bad as the POTUS that thinks there are 57 states in the Union. All you Libs have is name-calling and trash talking. When you get a substantial argument, come on back. Until then, go read the Constitution. Maybe you’ll actually learn something, but I’m not too sure.

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:01am

    a bunch of old guys behind closed doors, that sounds like this administration,where this commie loving mud sucking bottom waddlers do all of the transparent deals . abc,- and building communism – nbc- nothing but communist – cbs – communist but headed suckwads.

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  • olddog
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:00am

    Seriously, how many people actually watch abc, besides their friends and family??

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  • ThankYouFounders
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:58am

    Ah, yes. Of course he said that. I doubt he’s done any research on his own outside of what he was taught in our Government school system and during his time at the Leftist Columbia School of Journalism.

    I shall send him an email. I suggest everyone send him an email and let him know how ignorant he is of our founding.

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  • poster
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:58am

    ABC? Haven’t watched that network in years. Looks like I made a wise decision. Maybe others will, too.

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    • er4409
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 6:32pm

      They were guys who put their lives on the line to stand up for freedom. They were guys who said that mankind is used to suffering abuses of freedom and they decided not to suffer anymore. Those aren’t just “guys”. I wish we had “guys” who would do that today because we suffer still.

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  • booger71
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:56am

    Plus, women could vote, if they were land owners.

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    • Sarah Louise Palin - Part Time Politician, Full Time Parasite
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:13am

      Booger71 — you had better go do some homework. There you go proving my earlier point that many people today believe in things that are flat out false. Women landowners could NOT VOTE until 1920 in the USA. Only white male landowners could vote in the early days of our country. Susan B Anthony was arrested for trying to vote in 1872.

      GOP = beliefs and not FACTS; facts and science only interfere with GOP beliefs so they get rid of them – facts that is.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:25am

      Wrong again or foolish uninformed one (sarah louise palin….) Any landowner could in fact vote male or female, white or black in the early days of this country

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    • bacf74
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:08am

      Hello Lefty ,what is up with the Sarah thing you say you know alot about women and their right to vote,well Sarah has the right to vote and the right to speak her opinoin.just by reading how you represent yourself tells me who you are and what you stand for morea and more Americans are waking up to people like you and no longer can you perform under the cloak of darkness.

      YOU ARE THE PARASITE,feeding of the sweat of my brow amd other hard working honest Americans like me,well we have had it with people like you and we are going to work to defeat you everywhere that you exist.

      If you hated 2010 you are going to hate 2012.

      Billy

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    • ThankYouFounders
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:11am

      Actually, women landowners could vote during colonial and revolutionary times. NJ had it written in their constitution in 1776 in fact. Women could vote if they owned land until 1809 when the anti-federalists took control and reversed this law because women were voting with the Federalists.

      There you go showing your ignorance. Typical “Progressive”.

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    • ThankYouFounders
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:18am

      @ Sarah Louise Paline –

      Actually, women landowners could vote during colonial and revolutionary times. NJ had it written in their constitution in 1776 in fact. Women could vote if they owned land until 1809 when the anti-federalists took control and reversed this law because women were voting with the Federalists.

      There you go showing your ignorance. Typical “Progressive”.

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    • BubbaHotep
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:32am

      Facts are funny things-
      Following the American Revolution, women were allowed to vote in New Jersey, but no other state, from 1790 until 1807, provided they met property requirements then in place. In 1807, women were again forbidden from voting in the state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage

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    • Bullcop34
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:42am

      SLP, you are incorrect and a silly little troll. Women could vote as early as 1760, not 1920. If they were land owners, they could vote. try again

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    • jwe300
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 11:06am

      While Booger71 was not completly correct, the statement was not completly wrong either. In fact New Jersey’s original Constitution allowed women to vote until 1807. Booger71 also did not state that he was talking about national elections. Just one example of many: Since 1838 women have been allowed to vote in school board elections in Kentucky. I could cite many more but maybe it’s time you do your homework before you post sarcastic comments in which you cherry pick some facts to try to justify your enlightend comment.

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    • does this burka make me look fat?
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:34pm

      Hey Sarah Louis Palin!!

      You’re wrong!! Women land owners were allowed to vote as early as 1647.

      In 1647, Margaret Brent of Maryland colony assumed her right to vote twice — once for herself as a property owner and once for Cecil Calvert, Lord Baltimore, because he had given her a power of attorney. The governor denied her request.

      Deborah Moody, in 1655, cast a vote in New Netherlands (which later became New York). She had the right to vote because she had a land grant in her own name.

      After America declared their independence…. women in New Jersey had the right to vote from 1776-1807. New Jersey gave “all inhabitants” and thus women the right to vote in its state constitution, 1776, then rescinded this right in 1807. The 1807 bill also rescinded the right of black men to vote.

      I’ll bet you also think that it was the white man that established slavery. Is that a yes?? Well you’d be wrong there as well. It just so happens that the first legal slave owner was a black man named Anthony Johnson and John Casor, thus became the first individual known to be declared a “slave” in what later became the United States.

      Sounds like you and the guys at ABC have arrogance and ignorance in common. Not good…not good!! Maybe you all should read books by David Barton. Maybe then you’d have your facts straight.

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    • SCARED
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 1:44pm

      I have bad news for you Sarah- Science is religion. Science is based in part on unproven theories- thus science requires faith just like religion. Science uses math and math uses infinity- which science says does not excist because the Universe is finite. Science uses infinity as the answer to what happened prior to the big bang- it states that the singularity from which the big bang came was infinetly small because that‘s where the math leads them but we all know that’s not really any kind of answer. Now the new theory is the multiple dimensions/ multiverse theory. As a man of science I am sure you are familiar with this and the fact that it was inspired by the infinitely small singularity problem.
      I could go on but there is a start. Science is a religion and the scientists of today= the high priests of old because just as high priests did they claim to know the unknown and that the average man is unable to understand their ideas so we should just listen and let them question each other but we are not wise enough to be listened to…

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    • StopAgenda21
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 4:07am

      Parasite- Believe it or not its you that should read your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_United_States AAAAAHHHH to be an ignorant liberal.

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    • Spqr1
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 3:34pm

      That is SO wrong on MANY levels. Another Beckian living in an alternative universe.

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    • EP46
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 5:19am

      Thanks Booger…that is another ‘fact’ that progressives ‘hide’. Yes, women could, and did vote!

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  • JeffRN
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:56am

    We need to start hold ing the media accountable just as we do the government.

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    • Wolverine100
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:42am

      i agree

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 2:03pm

      Don’t be too hard on John Donvan. He was hired because he has nice hair and will read anything on the teleprompter. To quote Michelle Obama, “We have to change our traditions and our HISTORY.” Apparently, history is changeable. That’s right!

      (1) The “Declaration of Interdependence” was signed on July 5, 1776 after the Founding Fathers were discredited as being racist, sexist, homophobe, European cross-dressers who wore powdered wigs and little silk knickers.

      (2) The War of 1812 was fought in 1815 giving Mexicans control of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California.

      (3) The lightbulb was invented by Booker T. Washington.

      (4) The first man on the moon was Mo’nique Shaniquah Jefferson of South Chicago.

      (4) William Jefferson Clinton was the first black president.

      (5) Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii and is considered to be the greatest President ever or there will ever be. He was President from 2008 – 2024.

      This is easy.

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    • NancyO
      Posted on July 7, 2011 at 8:11am

      Why? They only did their job the way they were trained. If you can’t argue with the substance, demean and demonize the person. This behavior on the part of so-called journalists and actual political hacks is only a demonstration of their disdain for the principles and morals that created this country and the framework crafted to preserve it. I still think they should all be made to construct their house on a “living, breathing foundation” and see how long it protects them from the weather.

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  • Cobra Blue
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:55am

    Hey ABC…speaking of trivial…you no longer matter. We know you are just a house organ for the Administration. Truth is the truth no matter what you say. One more thing…Donvan you are not even qualified to speak of the Founders. All your wisdom does not even come close to their foolishness. ABC…Just hang on a little longer. A revolutionary change is coming down the road.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:34am

      Cobra you hit that nail on the head ABC,NBC,CBS have rendered themselves unless liberal propaganda tools. If it wasn‘t for sports I wouldn’t even allow them on my T/V AS A SELECTION.

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  • ChipK
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:55am

    idiots like this disgust me. More support for our socialist radical president.

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    • freeweever
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:23pm

      Get out of the mirror CHIPK then u wont have to look at an Idiot.

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    • EddardStark
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:31pm

      Idiots like who? Those who understand history and reject the deification of the country’s founders?

      Saying that the three-fifths compromise was used to defeat slavery is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. That is the same revisionist garbage that Beck tried to spin a while back and it is completely wrong. The three-fifths compromise was arrived at to solve two problems: (1) to strike a balance for both representation and tax liability for slave states and (2) to put off any real debate about slavery. The founders knew that if they did not sweep the slave question under the rug, the Constitution would not happen. The founding “guys” were so scared of the issue blocking their ability to effectively tax and raise an army that they replaced the inflammatory “slaves” with “all other persons.” This is exactly the same tactic modern politicians use. In fact, you could say that those founding guys were being politically correct in the truest sense of the term. They used a trick of language to avoid creating needless enemies to their ultimate goal.

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    • DogTags
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:47pm

      I don’t suffer fools very well. Some fools are ignorant through no fault of their own. Some are deliberate fools. Unfortunately, both of them still have the right to vote their ignorance.

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    • dbrink
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 7:43pm

      Yes, they make a person disgusted and frustrated! Why don‘t they try reading a couple good book’s like; ‘Original Intent’ and ‘Benjamin Rush’, both by David Barton. There are plenty of books to read to prove they either don’t know their history or they just want to get good people worked up. God Bless America, we sure need more people to speak up that know there history or want to learn their true history.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on July 5, 2011 at 7:53am

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    It‘s a shame we can’t figure out how to Enslave Democrates, make them work for all the Free Sh…. they want……………

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    • Ironmaan
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:12am

      These ABC dopes ignore the fact that the language in the constitution that these “guys” wrote, laid the foundation for freeing the slaves and for women to vote. Not to mention it is the reason for the prosperity the US has enjoyed since it was written. ABC continues to reveal its agenda and ignorance.
      http://guerillatics.com

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    • Marengo Ohio Patriot
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:14am

      Come on Blaze, Last paragraph of story is sentence fragment.. ???

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    • Obominated
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:07am

      You could cut them some slack, at least we get the real news and its free.

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    • Obominated
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:09am

      That is the blaze that needs the slack, not ABC

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    • Obominated
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:11am

      Thats the blaze that nees the slack, not ABC

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:26am

      So are the people residing in the WH and in the administration – Obama is not a god and the founders have seniority!

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:30am

      Already Been Chewed!! What a distortion, of how things were!! the whole world was being ruled by people who were (Kings, Thugs, cheif’s, Ect.) could have cared less about women, except to f##k, and slaves, does salt mine’s ring a bell. or how would you have liked to build a piramid for free!! thumbs down on abc.

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    • Socialism_Is_The_New_Black
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 8:42am

      lmao!

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    • burnteye86
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 9:20am

      The Dems are already enslaved. They’re enslaved to their democrat leaders who promise them everything for their vote and then give them even more promises without delivering.

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    • JRook
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 11:14am

      It clearly states that three fifths of all other persons are to be counted, not that all other persons are to be counted as three fifths of a person. One could also infer from this that the North did not want to free slaves at this time as it would provide additional representation and perhaps control to the South. So either way there was no intent to free the slaves at that time.

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    • ThankYouFounders
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 4:47pm

      Wrong. As most of us who’ve read something other than a Government textbook know, the 3/5 compromise was designed as a path toward ending slavery. The southern colonies wouldn’t approve the constitution if it outlawed slavery and the north knew the country would collapse without the south. Thus, the 3/5 compromise. Try reading something outside of Zinn‘s history textbook or Bill Maher’s reading list.

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    • Spqr1
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 5:03pm

      The 3/5 compromise was so that the South would be OVER represented in the house so that they could KEEP slavery. Just track the slavery votes from then on…. Oh, that would actually require real research.

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:29pm

      Real research would reveal that the 3/5ths clause predates the Constitution. It was actually a much argued over provision of the Articles of Confederation. The argument was then over valuations for taxation rather than representation. Those arguments are an interesting read.

      The Constitution relieved those arguments by coupling the valuation with representation. It assigned representation where the productive citizenry lived by virtue of tax generation. While the slaves certainly weren’t free, they were productive tax generators for industrialization of the “internally improved” North. The “Federal Ratio” was carried over from the Articles of Confederation, which originally had the compromised fraction – not the Constitution. Having representatives to match the taxes generated by the South, spent in the North, made the situation palatable enough to form the Union. It was, and is, all about the money.

      If the Yanks had been so overly righteous about the situation, they wouldn’t have signed either agreement, now would they?

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 10:46pm

      Hmm, I don’t know if the editors are protecting Spqr1 from being directly responded to?

      But, this was in reply to their comment. (as was about every comment I’ve made in this thread).

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    • Spqr1
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 6:33pm

      There’s no such thing as a “Government” textbook. They are produced by private companies, usually to the standards set by one of their biggest markets: TEXAS!

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    • 4BlueStars
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 11:40am

      @JROOK — Well it wasn‘t that the Northern states didn’t want to free slaves because of the skewed representation, it was a necessary compromise to persuade the slave states to sign onto the Constitution. Otherwise the Confederacy would have come into existence four score years before it did.

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    • old white guy
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:09pm

      and what could be more trivial than abc.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:33pm

      Interesting how uneducated the self proclaimed elite really are.

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    • Docrow
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 12:49pm

      amen! ;-)

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    • nysparkie
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 1:15pm

      AND I SUPPOSE ABC IS THE MOST CORRECT IDENTITY EVER ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH? We are men. Men make mistakes. Christian men forgive their trespassers. We move on together and we are better because of our failings and in spite of our failings. Especially in this Country. The Judea-Christian formed County of the United States of America. NOT WHAT ABC SAYS, THINKS or BELIEVES.

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    • Lamarr01
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 1:27pm

      The picture above is a little antiquated. It shows black people working while the whites stand around. In modern times, it’s the other way around.

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    • kerf
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 2:11pm

      Maybe it’s time “we” started employing the same methods as the left, getting lists of ABC sponsors and sending them letters explaining why we are boycotting their products. We can use Twitter and Facebook to spread the message and show ABC how we feel rather than just complaining about it.

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 2:55pm

      this is how little they really know about this country

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    • drphil69
      Posted on July 5, 2011 at 5:30pm

      “…TIME magazine wonders how relevant the Constitution is.”

      OK, TIME, the first amendment is gone and the Feds are seizing your magazine… how relevant is the Constitution now???

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    • Rightsofman
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 12:15am

      Its amazing how those “guys” gave us, their descendants the greatest country the world has ever seen and it only took a few years ( How? Its called freedom). The rest of the world been around for thousand of years and look at them. For 200 years plus its the place people still ESCAPE TO. Bad Country alright. So drop dead you miserable maggots. Sorry I seem to be losing control…I’ll have to work on that..

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    • SLAPTHELEFT
      Posted on July 6, 2011 at 4:12pm

      Okey dokey. NBC was on the boycott list first. Now ABC has officially made the boycott list. These morons are driving their stations into the mountain for Obama. I wonder if they have been promised exclusive rights for future commie broadcasting. your product was once sound. How far you have fallen ABC….

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