Abrupt Halt: Navy Suspends Decision to Perform Gay Marriages
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Under pressure from more than five dozen House lawmakers, the Navy late Tuesday abruptly reversed its decision that would have allowed chaplains to perform same-sex unions if the Pentagon decides to recognize openly gay military service later this year.
In a one-sentence memo obtained by The Associated Press, Rear Adm. Mark Tidd, chief of Navy chaplains, said his earlier decision has been “suspended until further notice pending additional legal and policy review and interdepartmental coordination.”
The Navy said its lawyers wanted to do a more thorough review of the legal decision that allowed Navy chaplains to receive training to perform civil unions on military bases, but only in states where same-sex unions are legal.
Military training to apply the new law allowing gays to serve openly began earlier this year and is expected to be completed by midsummer.
House members wrote to Navy Secretary Ray Mabus to object to the Navy’s initial ruling, saying the service was violating the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act by appearing to recognize and support same-sex marriages.
That law defines marriage as only between a man and a woman, and it also says states don’t have to recognize gay marriages performed in other states where they are legal.
“We find it unconscionable that the United States Navy, a federal entity sworn to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States, believes it is their place alone to train and direct service members to violate federal law,” said the lawmakers’ letter, which was signed by 63 House members.
The lawmakers asked Mabus to direct the Navy to defend the Constitution, adding that individuals should not be allowed to pick and choose the laws they will follow.
The Navy’s decision triggered an uproar, particularly since the Army and Air Force had not made similar decisions, and there was no overall Defense Department guidance issued on the same-sex union issue.
Navy officials had said Monday that they updated the training after questions came up about civil ceremonies for gay couples.
In earlier training guidelines issued by the Defense Department and the military services, same-sex ceremonies were not mentioned and therefore not explicitly prohibited.
When first asked about the Navy’s decision to allow the training, the Pentagon said the federal Defense of Marriage Act does not restrict the types of ceremonies a chaplain may perform in a chapel on a military base. And officials have repeatedly stressed that the military would not compel chaplains to perform a same-sex union if it was against their religious beliefs.
The military dust-up comes against the backdrop of the Obama administration’s decision in February to no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act. Attorney General Eric Holder said at the time that President Barack Obama concluded that the law was unconstitutional.
The Pentagon has been moving carefully to implement the repeal of the 17-year-old ban on openly gay troops. Under the law passed and signed by the president in December, final implementation would go into effect 60 days after the president and his senior defense advisers certify that lifting the ban won‘t hurt troops’ ability to fight.
Under the Navy’s initial ruling, the civil union ceremonies would be allowed at military facilities such as chapel and catering centers, but only in states that already recognize same-sex unions.
And even if a same-sex union ceremony is performed, same-sex partners would not get any health, housing or other benefits that are provided to married couples involving a man and woman.
The Air Force and Army did not include discussion of same-sex union ceremonies in their training.
Under Pentagon guidelines, chaplains and other key military leaders were among the first tier of service members to be trained about the new law repealing the ban on openly gay service. Much of that instruction has been completed, so the Navy will send out updates to include the same-sex union ceremony provision.
Under the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, service members face dismissal if they revealed they were gay.
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Fight for America
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:37amGet married in your church or your laundry room – whatever works best for you.
As to the govt. – keep the govt. out of it except to keep a record of a universal contract.
That’s it. Keep the legal stuff separate from the marriage vows. That allows for both sides to have what they want. There would be legal papers to take to court in case of divorce, division of assets/children/etc.
Marriage didn’t exist for the majority of history. This option works for both sides and no one has to force gender preferences on the public dime.
Report Post »America Bless God
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:36amSeriously?
Marriage is recorded in the book of Genesis with Adam and Eve.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:50amTrolling for dollars.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:06amAmerica Bless God
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:36am
Seriously?
Marriage is recorded in the book of Genesis with Adam and Eve.
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Marriage: When you have an all-powerful invisible man rip out your rib bone and build a custom woman from it, then you wear leaves until someone munches and apple.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 1:18pmAmerica Bless God
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:36am
Seriously?
Marriage is recorded in the book of Genesis with Adam and Eve
Report Post »____________________________
Is it the role of the Government to enforce morals based on a 4,000 year old book of fables? Or are you about individual liberty, do you want the government outside the bedrooms of consenting adults, deciding how individuals live their lives?
Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 1:28pmIt is the role of the MILITARY to provide the best fighting force it can to defend our country. It is not the military’s role to safeguard individual rights.
There is a difference between the civil goverrnment and the military. Refusal to recognize this is just disengenous or merely stupid.
Report Post »WebDumpGarbage
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:36amFirst of all, a bullet does not discriminate.
Second, a fellow soldier that stands next to you is the one thing you should not have to worry about
Third, what the heck does being gay have anything to do with the previous two statements? Nothing.
Get rid of this garbage mindset.
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Report Post »George Washington is turning is back…more importantly, is God turning His back?
Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:13am“a fellow soldier that stands next to you is the one thing you should not have to worry about”
Which is why we shouldn’t add things that inhibit unit bonding, like sexual tension, either between men and women or between straights and gays, and even between gays. Sex thrown into the mix always undermines unit morale. Soldiers bond closer together than any other sociel grouping besides marriage, and sometimes stronger than that. If soldiers have a natural moral revulsion to homosexuals you are not going to get them to “just get over it”. They will, instead, reduce the amount to which they bond to their fellow gay soldiers. Knowing this, how will gay soldiers fully trust that their straight buddies have their back 100%?
Report Post »Zeke48
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:28amLots of folks think Obama is Gay himself. Just Google Obama and gay together and you have plenty to read about. It no big news that he is a “closet homosexual” if you dig deep enough. Just watch him run down the stairs from his Airforce One to see that. Looks like a gay guy to me.So what else could go wrong with this country. The Liberals have been destroying the fabric of this country for years, so why should we be so amazed that we might have a GAY President. After all do you really think some soldier or Marine, or any armed force person is going to say no it doesn’t bother me to his commander if he is asked about DADT. I would think that most of the folks asked might worrie about retalitation, especialy if it was say, some one thought to be gay asking the questions. There might have been plenty of gay people in the service years ago, but no one told us we had to be trained if we saw one of them kissing or something else. Sensativeity training. What kind of BS is that .For 1 or maybe 2& of the GAY polulation we need this this BS. We having are entire Cinstitutation turned inside out over this jack ass of a President. The only place he is president is in his own head. How he needs to remind us every time he gives a speech, What a phony POS. As a 100% disabled combat veteran, I would never serve under this POS in a million years. I would go to jail than to watch my country pulled apart by this wonder boy. When are you people going to wakethe hell up?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 4:42pm“The only place he is president is in his own head. ”
There is the fact that he is in the White House, that is won the election and that rest of the nation, save the raving lunatics such as yourself, realize he is the President.
Report Post »illuminoddy
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:28amsince when does the president decide whats constitutional and what isnt?
i think they mean the Obama Regime, not “administration”
the days of administrations are long gone
Report Post »shadowrider
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:26amHomosexuality = abnormalcy
If you want to be abnormal then that is your right. The rest of humanity does not Have to agree with it. There are no special privileges beyond basic human rights for those who wish to be abnormal. As in other Left Wing Lunacies you are free to go start your own country, invent your own laws, way of life, etc. anytime you wish to.
Report Post »Nations
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:14amWhy are there no people standing up against this behavior???
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:25amIn the military you learn to take orders and keep your opinions to yourself. When those giving the orders don’t care about the well being of the military you can expect morale to plumet and enlistments to suffer.
Anchors away.
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:43amBecause our country is ruled by a Constitution that protects the minority from oppression by the majority.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:58amThose rules don’t apply to the military. The purpose of the armed forces is not to recognize anyone’s civil rights. It is to protect the nation that does that.
But why should I expcet one who doesn’t recognize the fundamental distinction between male and female to recognize the distinction between military and civilian.
Report Post »wise grandma
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:12amCaitthegreat unless you are gay would you want to take a shower with someone who is. I worked with two of these people when I was much younger and believe me they do not keep their hands to themselves I know from experience.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:07amKinda like an incident I read about 7 or 8 years ago. In a expensive restaurant in Dallas patrons were asked to take off their hats. One dude with a ten gallon stetson refused. After the manager got tired of the complaints he came up with a solution. He got on the pa system and declared that would everyone that was gay please leave their hats on. All of a sudden the problem went away.
Report Post »Nepenthe
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:47am“The lawmakers asked Mabus to direct the Navy to defend the Constitution, adding that individuals should not be allowed to pick and choose the laws they will follow.”
Awesome! It is nice to hear that the Navy will no longer launch any attacks against nations that Congress has not officially declared war against.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:36amToo late Navy…..the shame will now follow no matter what….
Report Post »America Bless God
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:34amThe House should draw up articles of impeachment and vote on it even though the Senate wouldn’t remove him from office. It would still make a statement that subverting the LAW like this is unacceptable and DOMA is law.
The Bible says…”if the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” …and marriage is THE most basic foundation of our country.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 12:57pmThe bible is also okey with honor killing and slavery. The bible has little reference in the modern world, it doesn’t translate well.
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:31amThey way I understand it from an Army Recuiter I know, all repealing DADT did was that now the military CAN ask. If the potential recruit says he is gay, the military will find another way (physical exam, police involvement, prior drug use, etc.) to keep him/her out. If the potential recruit lies and says they are not gay, and later it is discovered that they are they can be booted (or jailed) for fraudulent enlistment. Before, it was no ones business, now they CAN ask and the person HAS to tell, STUPID Liberal/Progressives. LOL
Report Post »PIL
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:16amDoesn’t matter if they ask, during Vietnam they asked and unless you were really effeminate or had your fingernails painted pink, they would still draft your ass.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:28ambe carefull what you wish for, you know those button up bellbottoms with the buttons in the rear,
Report Post »American-first
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:19amGay’s seem to want everyone in their bedroom. Send them to Iran and see what happens.
Report Post »America Bless God
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:16amGood! Marriage was designed by God and is ONLY between and man and a woman.
The acceptance of homosexuality is one of the last events to happen before a nation collapses. Rome collapsed for fiscal as well as moral reasons.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:40amSo those that do not believe in god should not be married. Is history wrong when it describes pagen rites of marriage? What about Marriage in the Buddist or Hindu tradition? Is marriage only valid when conducted in adherence to Judeo/Christian traditoins?
Do you support honor killing and slavery? Both are justified in the Bible.
Report Post »BRAVEHEART
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 12:11pmI received this from a former Air Force veteran:
Report Post »I was in the Air Force for a number of years in the late 1950‘s and into the late 60’s, and if there were any homosexuals in the service in those days, I never knew it. I would think there were at least some in the military in those days, because no one asked your sexual preference and no one would have openly admitted that they were homosexual if they had been asked. The reason was simple, homosexual relations were against God’s laws and most of the state laws. God’s laws are unchanging, but man makes laws to accomidate his sins. I don’t think the Admirals and Generals oppose homosexuals serving in the military as long as no one knows their sexual orientation. Here is a reason why you don’t want to know if you are serving in a fox-hole with a homosexual. Suppose a gay person hits on you, asks if you want to have some gay sex, and you turn them down. You may wonder if they will have your back in the next firefight or will they see this as payback for your refusal. Then the gay person will wonder, “Is this guy going to have my back in the next fight or is he going to leave me stranded because I hit on him?” I don’t think gays are any less valiant or any less patriotic than straight people, and if they want to serve in the military, as I am sure they have done in the past, I don’t have a problem with it if they keep it to themselves when they are on military installations or with military personel off base. … More«
sister1_rm
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:06amWhat?! Just a couple weeks ago I supported and defended the right to serve for openly gay individuals. I’ve changed my mind, Nothing will ever be enough for these people.
First they want tolerance, so they get tolerance. Now they want special rights just for themselves. They have no respect for law or the majority decision.
I’ve changed my mind. Get them out of our military, out of our schools, and put of our politics. These gay commies will not be satisfied with anything short of destroying our country and what few freedoms we have remaining.
Report Post »America Bless God
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:20amJust ask them how tolerant they are of Christianity?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:37amFirst they want tolerance, so they get tolerance. Now they want special rights just for themselves. They have no respect for law or the majority decision.
Report Post »______________________________
What special rights, they want the same rights you have, they want to be treated as citizens with al lthe rights and obligations that citizenship has. It is bible thumping, homophobic christians that are the problem, they are the one that are seeking to limit the bill of rights and the constitution.
HorseCrazy
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:56amyou should read this story. this lesbian lady slept with her commanding officers wife and was just reinstated because she says she was discriminated against…..now that she is reinstated she is retiring with full benefits. manipulation of this “issue” disgusts me
Report Post »http://www.komonews.com/news/local/121583729.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012952561_witt21.html
encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 12:15pmHorseCrazy
Report Post »Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:56am
you should read this story. this lesbian lady slept with her commanding officers wife and was just reinstated because she says she was discriminated against…..now that she is reinstated she is retiring with full benefits. manipulation of this “issue” disgusts me
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/121583729.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012952561_witt21.html
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Maybe you should read the articles first, you got your facts wrong.
TEIN
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 2:19pmEncinom… What right??? Marriage is not a right!!! It is a privileged that activist are trying to turn into a right. It has been the states that defined what a marriage is. If marriage was a right you would not have to pay for a marriage license, have a person with state given authority to perform a binding of the marriage, and there would be no age restriction of the persons getting married. Cannot Libby/Progressive get that through their skulls what the difference between a right and a privilege is?? A state does not have to honor any marriage performed outside of the state laws, so that “right” can be taken away at any time. That is why the wacko “gay” activists are trying to twist the constitution into saying it is a right….But, as the ole’ saying out in the country goes, arguing with a Libby/Progressive is like trying to wrestle a pig out of the mud, after awhile you realize the pig likes it… Besides Libby/Progressive cannot articulate why marriage is important and why having a mother and a father (being female and male) is important to a societal structure.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 4:40pm@TEIN
A Priviledge, like a driving license, its by the grace and goodness of the State that individuals are permitted to marry, is that your argument? I guess the State can ban churchs from performing weddings or certain people of different races from marrying?
Individuals have no rights except what is listed in the first 10 amendments, everything else is by the grace and goodness of the State, is that your argument. Even though the 9th Amendment clearly states that the Peole have additonal rights not listed in the prior 8 amendments. There is no right to procreate, I guess you believe its a privledge that the State has the ability to limit.
Report Post »whater39
Posted on May 13, 2011 at 2:43amThere are tax benefits. Ability to see a sick one in hospitals. Medical coverage. And other benefits from being married. This should be applied to everyone.
The issues isn’t where the marriage takes place (in a church or not), it’s being able to do so. or not.
Since the military is considered the government, they shouldn’t discriminate against gay people.
Report Post »EdtheK
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:06amMaybe they were worried about the Fleet having to play Village People’s “In the Navy” every time the ships came into port. :-)
Report Post »Remember when they talked about repealing DADT, Glenn mentioned that they were planning on using the Military to push gay marriage onto the rest of us.
The Bagginator
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:01amWell, if not for gays in the military, what would we do for a Navy?
But, it was a stupid move by Admiral Tidd, anyway.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:27amsounds like the lower echelon (of the ranks) is all gay already. just like the catholic church. Gives a new meaning to “Serving your Country”
Report Post »historypaper
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:53amA moment ago I was attending church and enjoyed the rich, deep-toned paintings, exquisitely carved furniture and rare objects of art and fine sculptures of rosewood, walnut and mahogany trims.
Report Post »God has promised us the paradise of delicate beauty and the elegance of heaven.
With just a murmur, almost a whisper of a command, the gays have once again tarnished their chance to reach heaven and deep within the cambers I now truly wonder what my pastor does when the organ music stops.
It now seems that my pastor is just ornamental but now sings his high pitch songs in front of the children and the world.
alrunner58
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:52amNever did understand why some of these gays want to announce to the world, “I’m Gay”!!! I guess I’ll just start shouting, “I’m NOT Gay”, but I don’t think anyone would give a crap.
Report Post »Lana40
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:30amLOL……I don’t care who you are, that was funny!!!!!
Report Post »Beckistheman
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:20amexactly! We don’t go arount shouting “Im hetero and proud” so why do they insist on shouting “im gay and proud?” If it’s so “natural” then why put it out in public like this?
Report Post »Ozymandias
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 3:49pmAccording to statistics 50% of Homosexuals were born that way and the other 50% were just “sucked into it.” Seriously though, I believe Homosexuals have had enough fun “poked” at them. Either way, Homosexuality leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Report Post »rcw1120
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:48pmIll just say this once.
You guys dont have to run around saying how proud you are to be a hetero or not, or tell people that you are, or come out to them. Why? Because in the society we live in, everyone is assumed to be straight. You dont have to worry about people hurting you, threatening you or possibly killing you because you are straight. Gay people do.
Heteronormative.
Look it up.
contact me: cowace10@uwgb.edu
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:41amTrial balloon anyone. Hey, thanks Obama, for using our armed forces as political polling devices and making them look ridiculous.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:07amAmen. Never in our history has the gay agenda been so advanced in America as it has been since BO has been POTUS!
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:13amWould it seem any less a trial balloon if you knew that two of the US’s cloest allies, Canada and Isreal, allowed gays to serve openly in their military since the 90′s and have both put out reports that there is no negative effect?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:20amNeither Canada nor Israel have armed forces like ours which depend upon unit cohesion to maintain military effectiveness. Canada’s army is, well, little better than a marching band that occasionally shoot guns for practice. Their military is less than a tenth of ours and represent only 0.8% of their population fit for service, as opposed to our 2.7%. Israel, while having a higher percentage of available population, 8.8%, does so by mandatory conscription which would obviously would not be affected as a voluntary force like ours would be. Plus their military, though 6 times Canada’s, is still less than a seventh of ours, and their paramilitary units amount to about a fiftieth of ours, almost equal to Canada’s.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:39amKinda tickles me, frankly. Obama/Soetoro HIMself wanted the DADT policy overturned and thought he would have no opposition because The One made the decision. Hahahaaha! And then some Members of Congress stepped up to the plate and virtually shot Obama/Soetoro a bird!
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:50am@Islesfordian
Report Post »Might want to look into things before you denigrate the Canadian Forces. Maybe look into who did the heavy lifting in Afghanistan when the US went into Iraq. Got news for you, it was the Canadians, and they were at the forefront of the operations and still are. Just because they’ve had a recent history of peace keeping, not looking for a fight, doesn‘t mean they aren’t capable of doing what needs to be done.
Blackhawk1
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:05ammoriarty70
You do realize that Israel‘s Forces still use the draft don’t you? Everyone serves regardless of gender or sexual orientation. So should we bring back the draft?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:33amYou’re right. I should not denigrate anyone who serves in any armed forces. But let’s not overestimate the amount of “heavy lifting” that was done without us in Afghanistan. Canadian casualties were a tenth of ours. The reason the surge was necesaary is because without us there in force nothing much would be accomplished.
And as for the supposed absense of negative impact of gays in the military, Canadian armed forces jumped up a bit after gays were admitted but soon dropped back down to UNDER where they were before the change. That indicates that having gays in the military is a net loss. It was only during the war in Afghanistan that the forces have risen back up to peak levels.
And who really would report that the political change was harming the military? Not the governmnet that authorized it, and certainly not the brass who know how to follow orders.
Report Post »whater39
Posted on May 12, 2011 at 7:50amWhat are you talking about Islesfordian? Some how the causality rate has something to do with gays in the military. That makes zero sense. It depends about the mission, not the people who did it.
Well in WW2 on the D-Day landing there was massive causalities by straight guys. So that proves that militaries with gays in them die less then?
Come on man, don’t use stupid logic when trying to make a point.
discrimination of a countries own citizens is wrong. Everyone knows it’s wrong. quoting some bible verse doesn’t give someone the right to discriminate against another person.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:41amGOOD FOR you, NAVY!!!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:39amGood, finally a push back!
Report Post »lewbrown
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:03amNot a push back, just to much attention. It will be back, just under cover of darkness. Keep the night goggles on.
Report Post »trooper
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:37amFinally someone high on the chain of command came to their senses. Just because the commander and thief is a “closet homosexual” does not make it acceptable behavior in the military or anywhere else for that matter.
Report Post »123gone
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:40amTROOPER – “…Attorney General Eric Holder said at the time that President Barack Obama concluded that the law was unconstitutional.”
Report Post »I thought it was the function of the Supreme Court, not the POTUS or the DOJ to interpret the constitutionality of US law. Am I wrong here?
If I’m not wrong, it seems that both the POTUS and the AG, Eric Holder are breaking the law by refusing to enforce it. Where are our checks and balances, or has the SCOTUS abdicated?
poverty.sucks
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:37amFact of the matter is: When you want to come out, stay out of the military.
Report Post »PA PATRIOT
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:45am@BECK IS NUTS
Report Post »Better to have the DT’s than the wee wees.
You Always rely on Depends.
hicup :)
smithclar3nc3
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:50amExactly….
Report Post »But if you’re gay and want to serve in a branch of the military it might as well be one with positions like REAR ADMIRAL….LOL
The Navy has always had an air of homosexuality about since they built their largest port in San Fran. and the village people sung about them.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 7:59am@Poverty.sucks:
Agreed, there are some things that just should not change.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 8:15amsounds like the lower echelon (of the ranks) is all gay already. just like the catholic church. Gives a new meaning to “Serving your Country”
Report Post »caitthegreat
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:02amso if you‘re openly gay you’re not good enough to protect your country? i don’t understand that. straight service men and women can talk about their partners and express their sexuality.
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:18amGood!
Report Post »randy
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:31am@CAITTHEGREAT If Gays want to join a military, maybe you should all move to Iran and join their military…. And whats with the caitthegreat moniker? Like Obama….. A little narcissism going on inside that head of yours?
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:32amSargent Poop Noodles isn’t going to like this….seems Catholic Chaplans cannot do this…..it violates the church and the bible. Wonder if they figured that into the formula. There is no better way to slap our soldiers in the face than allowing this…..
Report Post »Timbotim
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:50amPOTUS interuptus?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 9:55amOnce again shinning the LIGHT on idiotic decisions …. makes them change their “minds” .. keep SHINNING THE LIGHT PEOPLE!
Report Post »Timbotim
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:20amYaknow…yaknow…well, the SEAL that shot bin Laden was gay, so what about that? And…yaknow…if he wasn’t, well, he SHOULD have been, cuz…cuz…well…CUZ!
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:22amcaitthegreat…I have never heard a “straight” service man or woman openly expressed their “sexuality”…”Hey all I have come out of the closet, and I am heterosexual”? Service men and woman have strict written code of moral conduct…most might not follow them very well, but the military has never approved of sexual relations outside of a married environment. Military can get highly disciplined and court-martialed for extramarital affairs, and that what’s homosexual acts are… And faux weddings will not fix that…
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:30amI thought you guys wanted, a small, limited government, that respects personal freedom? Given the number of states on both coasts and in the heartland that permit same sex marriage, it would only be natural for a sailor to request a chaplin he/she is close with to perform the service.
But, I guess Tbaggers are liars, they do not want small government, they want a government that will pry into a woman’s health issues and stand outside of the bedrooms of consenting adults. They want a government that would enforce their belief and morals on the rest of the nation.
Report Post »Rightnow
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:49amThey sure are pushing the “Gay” agenda full speed ahead! I rather not have someone’s sexual preference thrown in my face and having me forced to “tolerate” and “accept” it eventhough the bible clearly states that it’s wrong and a sin against God. I honestly don’t care if someone is gay untill I end up having to share personal space with them or they trample on my religious beliefs. Just keep it in the closet! Know one needs to know how “happy” you are.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 10:59amRightnow
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They sure are pushing the “Gay” agenda full speed ahead! I rather not have someone’s sexual preference thrown in my face and having me forced to “tolerate” and “accept” it eventhough the bible clearly states that it’s wrong and a sin against God. I honestly don’t care if someone is gay untill I end up having to share personal space with them or they trample on my religious beliefs. Just keep it in the closet! Know one needs to know how “happy” you are.
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The Bible is okay with Slavery and honor killing, so I guess you are fine with anything the that was written 4000 years ago by a nomadic society, history and human development be damned.
Evileye
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:04amBe an Navy Vet i cannot imagine what kind of circus they are trying to turn the armed forces into.
Report Post »Imagine an Air craft carrier with a bunch of lesbian, a bunch of homosexual men,some normal
men chasing some normal women around all these people tyring have relationship on a ship 1100 ft long.
this my work on land but when you squeeze this down to the confines of a ship it become ridiculous.
God save of from the progressives
Bhaub
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:05amIf only homosexuals had functioning hands and eyes, so that they could aim and fire guns to protect their country.
Oh, wait! They do! Well, nevermind then. Now there’s no reasonable argument for them not to serve. :)
Report Post »PIL
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:14amWhy? Muslims come out, atheists come out, liberals and democrats come out. All kinds of people come out, and as long as they don’t grab my ass, I don’t care.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/
Report Post »Cerealface
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 11:17amYou’re allowed to die for the country, and never live again… but not allowed to marry the same sex. Makes sense.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 1:33pmNo one is forced to die for his country. This is a voluntary army. If you want to die for your country and can abide by the military rules and can pass the fitness tests then nothing is stopping you. If, on the other hand, you want to do something not permitted in the military then you are free not to join up.
That seems fair.
Report Post »hextall27
Posted on May 11, 2011 at 3:22pmCaitthegreat… how about a little respect for the FACT that homosexuality does make some people sick to their stomachs. just because people have to tolerate gays, doesnt mean they have to like it or accept it. we knew the minute that gays were allowed in the military that it would cause a problem. when the repealed DADT, all gays should have been kicked out, it was only because of DADT that they were even allowed to join in the first place. We’re getting pretty fed up with the nonsense
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