Latest Shroud Theory: Christ‘s Resurrection Was an ’Optical Illusion’
- Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:59pm by
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Art historian Thomas de Wesselow believes the Shroud of Turin is authentic and that it touched the body of Christ. He also believes the Shroud’s “astonishing” and “unsettling” images “fooled the Apostles” and that the Resurrection was really an “optical illusion.”
“They saw the image on the cloth as the living double of Jesus,” the art historian told The Daily Telegraph. “Back then, images had a psychological presence; they were seen as part of a separate plane of existence, as having a life of their own.”
“If you think yourself into the whole experience of the apostles. Going into the tomb three days after the crucifixion, in the half-light, and seeing that image emerging from the burial cloth,” he said.
De Wesselow, who calls himself a “shroudie,” has spent the last eight years researching the Shroud for his new book “The Sign: The Shroud of Turin and the Secret of the Resurrection.”
The Cambridge academic’s book claims to solve the mystery of the Shroud. But De Wesselow is not alone; several others have come before him. You may recall some of the Shroud’s most recent history (via The Daily Mail):
In 1988 the Holy See, which controls access to the artifact, allowed radiocarbon dating on portions of a swatch taken from a corner of the shroud.
Independent tests in 1988 at the University of Oxford, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology concluded that the shroud material dated to 1260–1390 AD, with 95 per cent confidence.
These dates corresponded with the first appearance of the shroud in church history.
The tests were criticized, with some saying the sample taken for analysis may have been a part repaired in the medieval period. But others insist this answers the mystery of the Shrouds origins and authenticity.
But in December 2011, physicist Giulio Fanti published a critical compendium of the major hypotheses regarding the formation of the body image on the shroud.
He stated that ‘none of them can completely explain the mysterious image’.
And the debate continues.
The historian believes the Shroud was stolen by French knights and the Crusaders during the sack of Constantinople in 1204.
“De Wesselow’s new book claims to prove the botched sampling of the cloth and the last-minute abandonment of agreed procedures mean that the carbon dating test was seriously flawed,” the Mail reports.
“He is convinced modern analysis proves the Shroud is genuine; that pollens lifted from cloth fibres indicate that it was once in Israel; a seam used in the weave of the linen is identical to one found only on a first-century cloth from Judea; the wound-marks are composed of real blood; and an alternative, peer-reviewed test of the age of the linen found that it was over 1300 years old,” the Mail reports.
De Wesselow also argues that the Shroud’s negative image explains why, according to the Gospels, Christ’s disciples were unable to recognize Him at first.
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Comments (209)
blackyb
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 3:26amWell, I do know this: we all wouldn’t have an “optical” to have an illusion with was it not for God.
Report Post »He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. He is the great I AM.
jerimia
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:11amPerhaps “science” is mostly an “optical illusion” considering that most of it is inferential, supposition and conjecture!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 9:41amPersonally, I really don’t know why these liberal “Christians” even bother. If you cannot believe the Bible then why go half way even? Why not just throw up your hands and claim no one can know? Instead they come up with silly, stupid theories like this, which totally ignores Scripture which says the resurrected Jesus was seen multiple times in multiple settings and even ate and discoursed with the Apostles.
Listen…If you cannot believe then don’t believe. God gives us that choice, that is why we are here. But why would you believe in an all powerful God and yet doubt His Word?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:01amThere are approximately 40 authors of the Bible.. it took approximately 1600 yrs to compose.. The Old testament is the foretelling of Yeshua the Messiah’s coming..and the New Testament is where He arrived..and completed His commission. He left His throne beside His Father YAHVEH and made Himself a little lower than the angels to be born into mankind..to a virgin who conceived via the Holy Spirit..lived a perfect sin free life..teaching others how..and was crucified..when he died the earth shook and the cloth in the temple was rent in two from top to bottom..making it possible to go directly to the heavenly Father, praying in Yeshuah’s name..His body lay in the tomb for 3 days while he went to speak with the ones of Noah’s day who were locked away in prison..then upon the 3rd day He arose..the angels rolled away the rock from the tomb..None of his apostolic band recognized Him until He supped with them and broke bread..After his short time with them..He ascended to His Father..and the angels told those watching..”In the same manner you see Him go..He shall return in like manner..Will you be ready?
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 4:01pmInteresting Conjecture. I would like this “EXPERT” to quote me the Scriptures, or other historical record, that states ANY of His disciples[appointed disciples,not followers, like Mary] went inside His tomb. HULLO!? Crickets?? This FOOL, will reap what he has sown, by selling his soul for money, re book. Jesus said He would rise from the dead, and I believe HIM. Poor,sad,lost fool! He is calling Christ a LIAR! Repent and believe!
Report Post »tbconrad
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 4:05pmNot sure you can stick your finger in the holes in someones hand or side if they are an optical illusion, or speak to and eat with an optical illusion but then I’m not delusional. Have these geniuses even read the scriptures?
Report Post »VicksVaporub
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:05pmThe shroud like everything else abut Christianity is and always has been a huge hoax on the gullible and illiterate.
Report Post »thecrazypastor
Posted on March 29, 2012 at 9:44amName-calling aside. This latest shroud theory is what’s illiterate. Outside of the Bible, the writings of those from the time of the resurrection spoke about a physical, in the flesh, resurrected Christ who ate and drank. There is zero evidence for the idea that the people then believed an image on cloth embodied Christ. They believed he rose physically. Whether we believe that or not, they did, and to suggest otherwise as this theory does, requires ignoring every record and account ever found.
Report Post »C. Pierce
Posted on March 29, 2012 at 10:01amReply to Vicksvaporub: Your “handle” identifies the aperture you lubricate. I wonder what they used in Sodom and Gomorrah?
Report Post »dickcoolen
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 1:54pmThe best source of information on the Shroud of Turin is “ The truth about the Shroud of Turin” by Robert K Wilcox. Being a sindonologist of sorts, has pursued many of the people who have been involved in seeking the truth about the shroud. The Carbon dating was done on a corner of the shroud and after examination by many was found to made of cotton and the shroud is made of linen. So the carbon test was done on a repair ( which was done around 1200 called back sewing) not the original shroud. The pollen Test on the other hand, we found to be from the region where Jesus lived. The pollen also dates to the time of Christ.
Report Post »This is great study this time of year to realize the cost of salvation and how much love that Jesus has for us.
There are some sections in this book on the reliable of some of the people conclusions and actions involved but not on the Shroud it shelf. Not only was the shroud a negative picture of the resurrection, but with the latest technology from NASA they have found it to be a three dimensional image that no artist from that era would have the knowledge. Another amazing fact is the Fire, Floods, War and Arsonist attempts made and it still has survived. I think Jesus left the shroud for us to know just how much he loves us and the cost he paid for our salivation. There is nothing we can do to earn the eternal life promised, it has been PAID
Sjplwc
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:16pmIf I‘m understanding De Wesselow’s theorum correctly, it is a strange one indeed. He seems to acknowledge a superantural element to the entire episode (a negative image is produced in an era in which that was technologically impossible). Yet he seems to be implying Jesus didn’t actually bodily rise from the dead; his followers only thought he did because this miraculously produced snap shot of him fooled them. It’s like wanting to keep the goose-bump elements of the Easter morning account, minus that part about the physically resurrected Lord of heaven and earth who demands our allegiance. If the bodily raising of Jesus Christ is not to be embraced, I fail to see why anyone should be interested in an imprint on his burial cloth. BTW, @ Hollywood, maybe I’m misunderstanding your point, but for the record, John chapter twenty, verses three to nine, explicitly states that the disciples/apostles Peter and John both went into the tomb. It doesn‘t make this art historians’ speculation any more impressive, but the Gospels do record that fact.
Report Post »ohmy2u
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:57amThey won‘t have to wonder if Jesus’ second coming will be an optical illusion! They will see God’s people popping out of the ground all over the place when Jesus comes in the sky!!! What about what Matthew wrote in chapter 27 about the people that came out of their graves right after Jesus, and they went into the city. Was that an illusion, when they were proving the lying soldiers wrong? NOT!
Report Post »How did the sealed stone get rolled away? And what about the Roman soldiers that fell as dead men?
So this dude believes that the apostles did go into the tomb, that they existed, and yet wants to deny our Saviour’s resurrection?! Does he ignore the rest of the New Testament, the apostles’ own testimony to the resurrection, ascension and ministriy of our Saviour on our behalf? Poor guy, without hope in this world…I pray he wakes up. All of the money in the world can’t buy faith or common sense.
http://www.izoominews.blogspot.com http://www.ohmy2u.blogspot.com http://www.amazingfacts.org
commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:32am@OHMY2U,
Report Post »Common sense huh? That’s funny coming from someone that believes angels exist, that a “Man” can walk on water ,a man can part a sea, a man can collect 2 of every animal which by the way could not be done today even with planes, trains and automobiles.Praying into nothingness thinking as if someone or something is actually listening. People popping out of the ground? what! too many zombie movies dude! It is clear that no matter how much your theory of ancient mythical events and misconceptions misrepresented over 2000 years you will still believe in a false information. For example: If I told a story of my life to just 10 people in my town today it would be completely distorted by the end of the week let alone over thousands of years in a time when people see a falling star and think it is some kind of god or angel coming to earth.
vz1k6w
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:51pmSo I am going to apply common sense to this idea of a distorted story the longer you tell it over a period of time. I happen to agree that the story will change with each telling but in the case of the story for Jesus it remained the same not only hundreds of years but across multiple cultural societies. There are over 300 predictions of the birth and death of Jesus Christ and all of them were proven true as it is accounted for in the bible (example: the bible predicted the death of Jesus by crucifixion (before) crucifixion was invented by the Persian Empire). The probability that any one “man” could fulfill these predictions spanning over hundreds of years before his birth is incalculable. To put that into perspective – you can fill the entire state of Texas with silver dollars one foot high and place a single gold coin (somewhere in the state of Texas) and drop you randomly in the state.. the chances of you being dropped on that gold coin is equivalent to one man fulfilling these prophetic predictions.
So the idea of a story “changing” over people and time is true but it is exactly the opposite in the case of Jesus… but then again, what less would we expect from a Holy infinite God?
Report Post »dHb
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:52pmThe Bible is a collection of Jewish history, fable, mythology and supernatural superstition but it most certainly is NOT the “word of God”. Jesus Christ was/is not divine. He was a Jewish reformist that after his death was built to mythological proportions. He died and his bones are in a grave somewhere in Israel. Christianity is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on mankind.
Report Post »dHb
Posted on April 1, 2012 at 8:52amIt was not an illusion, it was a lie. Why did no historian record such an event?
Report Post »portsidedude
Posted on April 8, 2012 at 10:22pmDHB, your comments call me to imagine Gen. Dwight Eisenhower talking to Jesus before the Crucifixion as he did to the photographers at the opening of the German death camps at the end of WWII. “Jesus, you‘re going to need to leave a good picture of Your Resurrection because some bastard 2000 years from now is going to say it didn’t happen!”
Report Post »ohmy2u
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:44amunbelievable!
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 11:51amThank God that every knee shall bow before Him. I can’t wait.
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 29, 2012 at 10:12am@OHMY2U,
Report Post »Took the words right out of my mouth“ UNBELIEVABLE ” is correct, thankyou for agreeing with me.
FlowerBell
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:31amThat whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Report Post »john 3:15
That’s all you need to know.
Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:47amDo you think the word “Believe” carries with it the same understanding people have now, it carried with it in the understanding of the disciples 2000 years ago? Most other words in language don’t. And people even judge the creators of the U.S with 2012 understanding, rather than 1776 understanding, and so I don’t think the word “believe” means nearly as much now.
Report Post »FlowerBell
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 3:39amYou are feverishly typing, laboring over your attempt to be contrary. It’s not required of you.
Report Post »Taldren
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:31amSome related information:
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/user/mhfm1?v=WRB16BARvz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Ggxvgcx88
and
http://www.history.com/shows/the-real-face-of-jesus
DSTSS2010
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:17amSomeone stated that they have faith that the “shroud” is real. If you truly have faith, why would you need physical evidence?
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:32amBecause they like their own image that they see as themselves when they look in the mirror. People have to have physical proof of most things. You might be reborn in the earth as a black person someday, or an Asian even. Does that bother you? Now you won’t recollect most of your previous life, especially with the strangeness of a new image in the mirror looking back at you. But little obsessions may surface that are indicators of a previous life – like hating your nose, or eye color, or your hair, or your body, or even your own color, and race. But psychologists will try to explain your problems in terms of this one existence.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:37amThat’s why the Bible says people should not be obsessed with their own image, or other images for that matter, because it digs grooves in your soul. And then it shows up in your next life as a lack of fruit, and then they want to medicate it.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:38amReally??? Are you really posing that as a sincere question? Who wouldn’t want, at some point, tangible evidence of their faith? Christian faith ultimately receives the Fulfillment of that faith. We are not expected to have faith forever……merely our earthly lives, at most. Any genuine proof of our faith we receive while here on earth is a sweet gift and beautiful blessing. Surely not necessary for our faith but endearing nonetheless.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:41amAnd that’s why it is said that lest you be born again you will not acquire the Kingdom of Heaven.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 6:57amTim, you have just crossed the line and are in a dangerous place for your soul. No Christian believes in reincarnation (i.e. multiple lives on this world). As Christians we believe that we have but one life in this temporal world. No more… no less. In other words, by what you have just stated in your post is proof that you’re a quasi-Next Ager (aka New Ager).
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:23pmThe Truth is greater than any physical evidence, and the risk in these “proofs” is that mankind has created many false evidences for God, which can cause many to loose their faith once the fraud is discovered. Just as people who “believe in” certain preachers may loose their faith when their preacher falls, or fails them- the things of the world can deceive.
Faith is spiritual. It is our response to awakening truth, and surrender to Christ, whom we trust. Faith is the ability to view a greater reality, seeing God as He is, and our own need. More than an awareness that there are things we don’t understand- it is trusting in He who has loved us from the beginning. Faith in Christ is planted by and nourished by the Holy Spirit, who binds our souls to Christ. And we can become intimate with that truth, opening our eyes of understanding.
Faith takes us across the veil. We, seeking the face of God, have been given access, and faith takes us there.
I hope the shroud is real, but who knows? Don’t place your faith in it. The evidences we receive from the Spirit are far greater than these things that will burn in end. God tells us that the pattern of things in this world teach us of what lies in Heaven. But the pattern of His love is larger than any single point, and too complex to fully understand. We can spend a lifetime gathering tender morsels of truth, which are planted in our hearts. Trust Him, and you will see greater things than these.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:59amIt has never been explained how the image got on the shroud in the first place. It was proven that it’s not paint.
Anyway, Easter will soon be here, and we Christians will be joyful that he has risen!
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:16amAtheists for years said it was a fake and forgery. Now they agree that its real but that it proves God is a fake and forgery. Hmmmm.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 7:30amI really don’t care if the shroud is a fake. It has absolutely nothing to do with my belief in the resurrection. It’s neat, but my faith does not hinge on it being real.
Report Post »CaptMickeyd
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:20pmI tend to thank God for the resurrection all year, not just at Easter.
Report Post »Steven_F
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 6:04pmI agree with Gonzo. The Shroud may or may not be genuine, but even if it is not, that would not disprove ANYTHING.
Report Post »Restore the Republic
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:59amPut water paint on your face. press a cloth against your face. then look at the impression. in that instant you’ll know that the shroud is a fake.
Report Post »RailRoadCar9
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:07am@RTRepublic rubish they have done so many test on the thing and no one has been able to even figure out how it was made
Report Post »PurveyorOfTruth
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:32amNever trust any human being for their word on this, nor in any shroud or other artifact. Trust in Jesus Christ, the Living Word and in Him ALONE!
Report Post »Taxpayer550
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:48amAmen to that!
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:00amThey have a lot of years behind them for it to be important to them to be right, don’t they?
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:02amYup!
Report Post »db321
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:12amJesus is returning once again riding a White horse and waving a big sword! I wonder how Doubting Thomas de Wesselow can rebuke the Old Testament mentioning of Jesus’s birth, death and resurrection before Jesus was even born. It is hard to argue with written Prophecy that has come true!
The bottom line Thomas is that Jesus is not in his grave and all others that thought they were God are still in theirs like Mohammed, Hitler and Saddam, and a few others that come to mine past and present!
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:28amSooo…“doubting” Thomas thrust his hands into the nail prints of an optical illusion???
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:39amHis mama named that one right LOL
The shroud is not proof; it’s confirmation to those who believe.
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:41amYes… And the shroud called to Peter while he was fishing and cooked fish on the beach (Jn 21:13-14).
Report Post »This piece of fabric gets around… And it can cook a meal, too!
jerimia
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 5:50amThe shroud is not really relevant. There are rare individuals who experience the works of the living God. Are those people having a psychotic episode or like Job“ they had only heard of him by report” before.
Report Post »drenfroe
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:27amThe thing is is Jesus walked out of the tomb with Deborah and walked among his deciples so that blows the shroud therory the way its being told. It still could be his shroud but he walked among these people and shrouds don’t walk.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:38amDeborah? Where did you get that name? Mary was at the tomb crying her eyes out w/other women. When they met Him, alive and vertical, they ran to tell Peter and the other men folk.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:26amIf an imprint of Jesus appeared on a shroud by a flash, then it would have had to been an external outside the shroud, flash, and the shroud isn’t photo paper. And, does a flash from the source of a flash carry with the moving light the features of the object the flash originated from? What does one single word mean, and how much impact can a word change the meaning? John 20:5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; (Lying?) yet went he not in.
Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulcher, and seeth the linen clothes lie. (Lie?)
Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:34amThe linen clothes were saying that Jesus was not resurrected, and therefore they were lying.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:41amPeople even today in 2012 fear things they can not understand and so they give it physical characteristics they can control. And people still do it, by even blaming all money hoarding on Jews even today, and many more things like even weird things happen so it must be the house’s fault because it haunted. So therefore, imagine how infatuated they were 2000 years ago with physical qualities.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:47amI‘d like to know what they did with Jesus’ head, not that it really matters anyways because it was just a coat woven from the top throughout.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:07amDo you think he is going to be born as a baby this time when he comes, or will he come in a space-ship? Because I think he’s coming in a space-ship.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 2:10amI think he’ll be coming on a “Cyborg Unicorn.”
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:03amAll I know is if I was to believe in a shroud, then it would be easier for someone to destroy Jesus by eventually destroying the relativity of the shroud.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:01amBS! In science… Light can viewed as Particles, as a Quatum (Physical)… or Light can be viewed as a Waive, as in Field (Energy)… and under Unified Field Theory, Fields can Attract or Unite. As Light… the same may be said of Soul… hence, it can be that the Phyiscal Christ became the Field Christ and was United with GOD… thus, Christ in whole went to Heaven.
This Theory… is better than theirs!
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:37pmuh yeah? This is why the bible is full of B.S. because of people like you writing it down as if it actually happed that way, and now delusional and gullible people believe it as fact. I’ts all clear to me know!!
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:56amwe love everything about the MIRACLE of The Shroud. and it’s all about Having FAITH. we’ve read and watched everything ever put out on it. for us, it’s a MIRACLE. it‘s Christ’s burial wrap and no man can tell these Christians in this American household otherwise. let folks say whatever they will, it’s all about Having Faith.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:55am…
Report Post »If the historians think that the resurrection of Jesus was a mere illusion, just how do these historians explain the fact that Jesus stayed on Earth for 40 days after he was resurrected.
Numerous people saw Jesus and spoke with him, before he ascended to Heaven on the 40th day, Ascension Day.
Hrothgar
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:24amShrooms, lots and lots of shrooms.
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 29, 2012 at 10:24amThat is the problem with your mindset , you speak as if what you read in the bible as truth. The only 3 explinations are as follows: 1. jesus did not exist. 2. jesus did not die. 3. The text in the bible was written as fiction. I myself always lean towads a combination of 2&3.
Report Post »RichJ
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:02pmAn optical illusion does not leave an imprint on a fabric that lasts 2,000 years. Even without the shroud the evidence is overwhelming. First that there was a Jesus; second that he was crucified, and that he rose from the dead just as he stated he would. It is recorded by Romans, Jews and Christians historians. All validated by the lives and testimonies of the disciples that followed him.
Report Post »COMMONSENSEFREETHNKER1 – you make claims that cannot be backed except by mere accusation. Christians have historically recorded eye witness testimony, that is logical and analyzable within its stated parameters. All you have is doubts. Your trouble is that someone has told you that you have commonsense.
canadianlady
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:53amThese people sure have some whacked out imaginations.
Report Post »adamah379
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:51amIllusion? More like a delusion! And, more who have never read that there were SHEETS (linen cloths)used to wrap Jesus’ body and a napkin or handkerchief that covered His face. Read it for yourself John 20:6-7. There is NOT a blank space where the napkin should be on the “shroud of Turin”. IT is therefore the delusion. Or watch two short videos:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiX1tX52CTE
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wFv9_NJFk&context=C4495248ADvjVQa1PpcFMwcE4LInzmT7oz8zjHRRlMWkqkjC3CXZQ=
Besides that, over 500+ people were a witness to the resurrected Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:3-8. Please stop worshipping a piece of cloth which can’t possible be “THE” burial cloth of Jesus. For this reason it (the shroud) is but one cloth and Jesus was buried in linen cloths (more than one!) with a napkin that covered His head. Believe what the witnesses saw and believed after the resurrection. You will not be wrong for doing so. Serenity of mind and longevity be to you and to yours. Peace.
Itsourtime
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 11:46amSo you don’t think what ever caused the image to be on the cloth would be able to penetrate two pieces of cloth? If it wasn’t powerful enough, by your theory, then where does it say this was first wrapped around His head and then the burial cloth? Could be the other way around. Burial cloth then the cloth around His head. Regardless, we have an image of Christ crucified, with no explanation of how it came about. This is the most studied artifact ever!! I believe it to be the actual burial cloth. It really doesn’t change my belief in the Trinity. It only gives me an awesome visual of the actual event that morning when sin and death were conquered.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:49amThese people are going to face the Lord one day and boy howdy are they going to look foolish. I just pray that they don’t take others down the same path, as its a path of death. “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess”
Report Post »donaldchar
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:41amI heard that the shroud is of a man much taller that the average 1st century Jewish man. If that’s true, would Judas offer to identify Jesus with a kiss if Jesus was like King Saul, head and shoulders above the others? Hmmm. As one commenter already alluded: there’s no relevance to the resurrection here – shrouds “don’t have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (Luke 24:39)
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:24amThe Christian Belief is not based on the Shroud.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:15amWow……pride is powerful. It takes far more faith for the nonsense they come up with than simply believing.
Report Post »spikebu
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 1:07amAmen!
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:09amThis explanation is like the trainwreck we heard in the supreme court today … do these fools know how stupid they sound ?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:15amThe guy will make some money. Ya gotta love that.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:08amI guess the shroud was walking through the garden also?
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:21amLOL Monk The braniacs come up with an answer for everything. I find it comforting that they‘re still trying to explain away God’s word.. I suppose we should be more worried when they feel it’s no longer necessary.
Report Post »DEFCON4
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:44am@ CO Patriots When they realize, It’s no longer necessary! They won’t have time to worry!
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 10:37amWhy do believe what you read? Just because it is writen does not mean it is fact. NEWS FLASH, DEAD “MEN” DO NOT WALK! never have never will.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 11:06amTrue, DEF, although it does bring on seven years of some rather horrifying times that I don’t wish on anyone.
Um, COMMON, your comment makes no SENSE actually. If we aren’t to believe what we read, how would we learn anything? Actually I process what I read through the brain God gave me…….I’m not sure how you come up with your intellectual filtering. To your point however, I am reading your words and have zero faith or belief in them………
Report Post »BULLDOG98
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 3:32pmI seem to have heard of ghosts, which would be dead men, walking or doing whatever
Report Post »Simple Catholic
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:03amIf Christ be not risen from the dead, then our hope is in vain.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:10amNever trust an “art historian”.
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 29, 2012 at 11:00am@copatriots,
Report Post »So let me get this straight, you said ” how will I learn if I do’nt believe what I read” well , the problem with that is that creationists take the bible as fact and leave no room for error, and that every word in it is absolutly true.
With that being said, If you went to your local library today and found a book never reading it before and it was not marked as being fact or fiction with a somewhat “reasonable” plot. How are you going to describe to your friends and family this book you read? Besides, taking it upon youself to decide it is without a doubt fact. I am guessing your vague answer would be faith.
dHb
Posted on March 31, 2012 at 1:53pmYEP! That it is my friend.
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