ACLU Forces TX School District to Change Policy on Standing During Pledge
- Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:29pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Samuel Brooks is the president of the Sweeny, TX (near Houston) school board. He’s a fan of the American flag and the Pledge of Allegiance. But after two high schoolers complained about the district’s policy requiring students to stand while reciting the Pledge, the ACLU stepped in. And after that happened, the school district felt it had no choice but to change its policy.
“They were refusing to stand up for the Pledge, and then it got around the whole school,” fellow student Cherissh Garrett told KTRK-TV. But despite the protest, the students didn’t face any repercussions.
“There was no disciplinary action taken. It was just a request that they stand for the pledge,” Superintendent Randy Miksch told KTRK. That didn’t matter to the students, who complained anyway. When the ACLU got involved, the district capitulated:
“Our bill of rights and American tradition protect dissenters and the majority just the same, and the right to express disagreement is a patriotic value that all Texans should fight for,” the ACLU said in a statement.
Despite changing the policy, those responsible for doing so aren’t happy about it. Brooks, the school board president, is one of them.
“I don’t agree with [the ACLU's position] personally, I still think that we should be able to, in our district, we should be able to set a standard of behavior that we require for our students to show,” he told Fox News. “And part of that should be showing respect to the flag of our nation and our state.”
He explained that the district will change the language in its policy to suggest standing, and may even still “require” it in a round about way:
At issue in this case isn’t necessarily the requirement to say the Pledge. Currently, Texas law requires students to recite it every day. According to KTRK-TV, students can be exempted “but only with a written request from a parent or guardian.”
(H/T: Fox Nation)
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Comments (291)
Rumrunner3
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:56pmACLU did not force nothing. The people again just caved. When will we quit giving into the nonsense.
Report Post »concealled9mms
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:22pmthats the question they caved hell let them sue a school then when it shuts down its their fault. i thought texas was tough i am having second thoughts about bad azz texas seems they arent that bad after all
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:33pmYou are quite correct. I didn‘t see or hear anything about a gun being put to anyone’s head. this is just caving in. I was only surprised they are still saying the pledge in Texas (or anywhere else). These children are out future, led by our glorious POTUS that cannot put his hand over the heart during the national anthem or pledge
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:55pmTEXANS,
Stand up for the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE to the FLAG of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Report Post »Stand.
Now.
Anyone who refuses should be immediately deported to iran.
Take the a**&^%$ administration with you.
Now.
rienheart
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:55pmToo bad they gave in to the ACLU. Hope they STAND for the rest of the Kids in school and Fight the ACLU (Commies)
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:54pmWhat a shame. I wonder how long until these losers protest doing homework? They are probably protesting that already.
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:53pmIf someone doesn‘t want to stand for the pledge they shouldn’t have to.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:57pm@CONVERSATIONCANWORK~~~ That’s right. And, by sitting down rather than standing up, for OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, they are signalling that they are ready and willing to live elsewhere.
Done!
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:02pmAnd if someone (student) wants to buy a bag of m&m’s they should be able to.
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:19pmIt’s a choice, people are just making a bigger deal out of it than is deserved.
Report Post »BarryShouldbeinJail
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:52pmF the ACLU
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:52pmThis is the kind of parenting these kids are getting. They probably don’t know much about anything, nor do they want to. Than we have the ACLU that thinks they know alot about everything. Wrong! This country is sinking and we need to pull it up out of the abyss it is sinking into.
Report Post »OneRepublic4us
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:28pmIt isn’t just poor parenting. It is also a indication of how the education system has failed. I believe if children were taught true American history they WOULD have respect and their own conscience would compel them to stand.
Report Post »garylee123
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:52pmTo the aclu, patriotism is the act of not showing patriotism. Next stop, taking the flag out of the classroom.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:50pmUH, here’s the deal. THE MORE you fight these people, the more they resist. We stand and put our hands over our hearts when the PLEDGE is made; WE Stand for the National Anthem. I really don’t care what others do…I won’t have anything to do with them socially…but they can do whatever. My kids, my grandkids, my friends and relatives STAND out of respect. WE can’t spend time/$ trying to force people to respect something. WE can make them feel like the dopes they are by ignoring them and doing what we KNOW IS CORRECT.
TRUST ME…if the teacher, the principal and the kids just did their thing and went on, those goof-balls who remain seated are going to feel so uncomfortable the lesson will stick with them always. This is a public school. IF you can put your kids in private schools you may get the standing at attention, but then you get bad things there. THE POINT? EACH OF US HAS TO DO WHAT WE BELIEVE IN DOING. IF everyone did that, we’d be in great shape.
ALL OF THIS CONSPIRACY nonsense that I’m reading on these blogs and the fear mongering is
Report Post »not what is going to help our country. STRONG PEOPLE who speak their minds are the solution.
Unbelievable
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:49pmEven when the pledge and/or the National Anthem is played on TV I along with my kids stand and cross our heart. My kids even have their friends doing it in their homes. It’s called respect for our country and freedom.
God Bless America!!
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:48pmMore of the same old leftist push to remove saying the Pledge from our public schools. I just saw this:
“It’s an organization that mocks Christianity, an organization that will stop at nothing to remove the Pledge of Allegiance including the phrase “under God” from public life. The Freedom From Religion Foundation is pushing hard to strike the Pledge from public schools. After a significant loss at a federal appeals court, the organization is now asking the Supreme Court to take the case and declare the recitation of the Pledge in New Hampshire schools unconstitutional.
The American Center for Law and Justice is fighting back. We have just days remaining to prepare a critical amicus brief to urge the Supreme Court to reject this case, to let the lower court decision stand, a decision that correctly concluded that the Pledge embraces patriotism and does not endorse religion.”
https://www.aclj.org/Petition/Default.aspx?sc=3779&ac=1
If you want to help fight this – please go to this site and sign the petition, get info., etc.
Report Post »The ACLJ is a very successful Christian lawyer organization – well known and on Fox News, etc. many times. Please support.
commonsenseguy
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:47pmthose two learned it from someone,and the parents are to blame,why didn’t they just sit there and keep their mouths shut ,instead everyone has to be punished foe a few’s stupidity or ignorance and disrespect to the fallen soldiers who have died for freedom, i would hope some of the students would take the time to beat the crap out of these two,and teach them some respect, it does not seem the parents have taught them any.
Report Post »ENTITLEMENTSBLOW
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:47pmACLU is garbage and anyone involved with them is garbage as well. BE AMERICAN YOU LOSERS!
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:46pmI hate the type of attention seeking these students were engaged in. When I was in high school, there would be some moron or other always trying to make a mountain out of a mole-hill every year over different random “causes” purely for the attention. Would these kids stand for the pledge for a hundred bucks? Guaranteed! This is not about principles, it is about attention for people who don’t deserve or usually receive anyway i.e. losers.
ACLU= Outside agitators who need to mind their business. Americans generally dispise the idea that the answer to any and every disagreement is a lawsuit.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:29pm@BONNIE
You just accurately described the mindset of the entire “LEFT”
Using petulant children as the example?………………PRICELESS
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:58pm@BILLY
Yes, I would say that your observation is pretty astute. They seek to destroy all wholesome traditions and values. They have no concept to “live and let live.” They have their hedonistic paradises (San Francisco?) upon which we traditional folk do not infringe; why can we never keep our bastions of traditional morality?
Report Post »Malcom0983
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:45pmThere are plenty of schools in California that would welcome them. Texas doesn’t need any more Sheila Jackson Lees.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:59pm@MALCOMO983 ~~~ AGRee!
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:44pmFunny, I missed the ACLU out in front of national TV cameras condemning the Black girls that beat up the transvestite, and calling it a hate crime. ACLU, where are you on that one?
Report Post »fatsomann
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:49pmThey tend to disapear at the most opportune times.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:36pmAgreed. If you’re going to be a watchdog, you need to bark at ALL intruders.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:50pmWere they contacted to give a response?
Report Post »POdVet
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 8:08pmteddrunk
Stop pretending to be a racist, sexist conservative. We aren’t buying it. Just go back to huffypuff or mediamatters or which ever left wing nutjob rag you came from. And spout your hate filled rhetoric there where those who think like you are welcomed. Someday you may learn enough to realize that the Tea Party isn’t about hate, isn’t about division. It IS about allowing all Americans the opportunity to lift themselves up to a better place based on their desire and ability to do so.
Now about the wacko‘s that didn’t want to stand for the pledge. Hey fine what ever. Take their names down and put them on a watch list. Oh wait I’m sorry. It‘s only LOYAL Americans who are put on the watch lists now isn’t it. Those dangerous 80yr old grandmothers who the left claim want to start a second civil war. News flash for you “progressives” The democrats were the racists back then. As well as during the civil rights movement. Just ask Al Gore who‘s daddy proudly stood spouting off racist crap defying equal rights in the 60’s. Oops truth hurts don’t it! And incidentally the two punks wouldn’t have been made to stand where I went to school either. Of course they would have gladly stood the next time they came to school. After the rest of the students encouraged them and they were able to stand again.
Report Post »TRUTH
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:40pmThe first amendment does protect nonverbal speech. So constitutionally this is ok. But morally, eh…stand and respect the flag.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:26pmAgreed. They should not be forced. Sadly, many teachers today teach to glory of socialism and the evils of America. This is why we are in so much trouble today.
We are all Americans, and countless Americans died for that flag, and their right to not stand. It’s called freedom, for which it stands. Something teachers no longer teach. If America falls to socialism, freedom will no longer exist on this planet. How does that sound?
Report Post »anigmanm
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:38pmMaybe if these special children were denied the benefits of living in the country they refuse to honor their thinking just might evolve, if not, I am sure there are planes leaving daily for the repressive country of their choice
Report Post »mavsfan75
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:38pmungrateful little bastards ought to have all privileges revoked until they can properly appreciate what that Flag and pledge stand for. Or break both their legs so they can’t stand…either way is good for me!
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:59pm@mavsfan75, agreed, they also should have all their cloths ,shoes,money ,food, car, phones, games, and everything else you can think of away,because with out those who died protecting our freedoms, these two idiots would not have been born,nor would they have what material things that have today, as i said before, i would hope some of the students would take them out back and beat the crap out of them for disrespecting our flag, but most of all disrespecting our fallen hero’s.
Report Post »and to the republic
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:37pmone day, these skulls full of mush will wish they still had Old Glory to stand and pledge allegiance to..
Report Post »bikermama
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:55pmAmen, and that day may be sooner than we know.
Report Post »Patriot Momma
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:36pmIf we can’t require them to stand, can you require them to do anything else? No wonder today‘s children aren’t learning anything in school. We are worried about this?!? Once again, I realize that our decision to home school was the best parenting decision we ever made.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:59pmHome school or have them raise a fool.
Report Post »fatsomann
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:34pmThis is insane.
Report Post »RLM
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:33pmLazy, disrespectful punks.
Report Post »jess1386
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:33pmSome times I love the ACLU and sometimes they just get ridiculous.
Report Post »TRUTH
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:39pmI like this. Fair and balanced.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:12pmMr Logan
The comment I made on the alligator story about cops killed in Florida, got removed !
Report Post »Ya what’s the point, lets just talk about the alligator on a floor, helpless.
Like I said, diversion !
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:21pmMostly with the ACLU they are one of the biggest pains in the tushie imaginable; yet they on occasion do actually have some usefullness. Not often, just once in awhile to make it worth having around.
Report Post »TRUTH
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:52pmBrasil
Report Post »I had a couple good posts of mine removed today as well. The moderators on here are pretty vicious.
TheGreyPiper
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:30pmFfkk you, ACLU.
Pardon the vulgarity, but that’s all they can understand.
Report Post »Revere1
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:42pmNot even standing during the pledge? More liberal “patriotism” at work I guess: http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/03/are-liberals-patriotic.html
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:43pmWhile sitting, they should also have the freedom to flip off the teacher as well.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:45pm^______^______^
Report Post »TX remember the Alamooooooooooooo!!!
Whats wrong with you ppl stop bowing down to groups like the ACLU? They forced you?! Really!? Was there a gun to Rick Perry’s head or was the state legislature physically threatened that came all th way down to a school board? If not TX you made a choice! A politically correct choice, since when did the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many? Get a spine as TX is looked as the last place of freedom for Americans!
Robert-CA
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:47pmif you don‘t have a respect for your country’s flag , what else you’re gonna have respect for ?
Report Post »Brave soldiers are dying to keep this flag flying high & yet some punks don’t wanna stand up for it .
What a shame .
For me they’re traitors .
unsalvageable.org
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:48pmIf they don‘t want to stand for the pledge in school that is funded by taxpayer dollars than don’t allow then in our schools at all. Seems like a simple price to pay for a free education.
Why do we continue to cater to groups like the ACLU and the Unions?
Report Post »http://www.unsalvageable.org
sooner12
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:49pmIn every class there are going to be troublemakers trying for devious means to make a name, or in this case, a spectacle of themselves. Nevertheless, they’re punks. And if they don’t mature they will always be punks.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:50pmWhat’s the point anymore ?
In another 20 years, America is going to be mostly black and Hispanic anyway, so let’s just burn the American flag and get it over with, let’s face facts we are losing in the numbers, its over !
I”m sorry to say that, but America in 20 years will look more like Mexico, who will pay the bills then ?
lovenfl3
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:53pmPerhaps no group is more responsible for the decline taking place in this country.Groups like this are the real enemy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUA3iQjLH4g While Obama is just a moment in time, these groups never go away.
Report Post »MAULEMALL
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:55pmMake it a part of school curriculum… Grade them on it… No stand …No grade… 5 no grades you fail and take the course or grade again.
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:58pmWhere will the ACLU be when they start teaching “tolerance” classes in California?? Will they defend those students whose families do not support glorifying homosexuality?? Will they support the rights of those students who have a “dissenting view”?? “Tolerance” and “Dissent” are one-way streets to a Progressive…..
Report Post »SmokinBugsy
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:58pmIf that was my kid that wouldn’t stand for the Pledge. He wouldn’t be able to sit for a month after I found out about it. His Grandpa, Great Grandpa and Uncles didn’t fight for this country for him to disrespect the Flag!
And for all those who have/are serving THANK YOU!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:59pmWhen it comes to having government run schools, we all need to get A CLU
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:00pmThe aclu needs to stay out of a real American’s way. I live within five miles of Sweeny and unfortunately most of these “students” are basically no good wanna be bad guy punks that don’t know how to be. They are probably thinking that they are so big and tough and able to take on the world because of it. No matter how little of a “victory” they can get to them it makes them the most important people in the world to themselves. Most of the kids there and I have several good friends that have had children that went to Sweeny that are terrific kids and adults now but these other kind are about as worthless as a pile of crap at city hall.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:01pmI thought the Tea Party was about all about freedom, being compelled to take a loyalty oath sounds facist. The Jevoha Witnesses have a religious problem with pledge an oath, should they also be forced. Again, this is the Beckerheads putting symbols above the true meaning of America.
Report Post »KewlBigDan
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:02pm1. If my kids ever would have tried this, they would have had to stand up for a while until their back-ends cooled off.
Report Post »2. If these kids don’t want to pledge to the Flag of the country that is providing them with Free education, they should be sent home…not via the public paid school busing or road systems either.
3. The 1st Amendment guarantees the Freedom of speech NOT the Right to be Heard.
4. Anyone not saying the Pledge should be totally ignored by the School system in every way as if they didn’t exist, eye-for-eye.
Obama Bin Lying
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:05pmJust remember…the ACLU are the same mutants that defended NAMBLA
Report Post »theonefromabove
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:06pmI agree this is ridiculous.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:09pm@ ENCINOM
We already know that you’re an Anti American so sterilize your lips & kiss my butt .
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:10pmACLU = Anti American Communist Labor Union- thugs incorporated.
Another fine example of the worst of the worst coming out to strike at the core values and honor of our great nation.
Report Post »meamerican
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:13pmI am gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the students who are refusing to stand during the pledge are Mexican.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:16pmThe ACLU was founded by a member of the Communist Party of the US, a lawyer who when to the “finest” schools and had an open marriage style relationship with the mother of his children. His name was Roger Baldwin. Later in life, he backed off the communist bit, realizing how faulted it was becoming, but as we can all see, the damage was and still is being done. At one time he actually tried to prevent avowed commies from joining, but he relented on that too. These people could give a hoot about our true freedoms. Their intent is to break America into third world shards.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:18pmI‘m surprised the ACLU didn’t make the school offer an alternate pledge to the Mexican flag.
Report Post »zorro
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:20pmBrasil2520 – way to paint everybody with the same brush. I’m hispanic and my family has been in Texas since before Texas became a state, you ignorant nut. Before you slam hispanics for not being patriotic, you may want to educate yourself of the number of hispanics in the military. Most hispanics I know are very patriotic.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:21pmSome one show me where in the constitution does it force or compel its citizens to take loyalty oaths. Forcing a citizen to take such an oath is against the spirit of the Founders and unconstitutional. I hear Hitler, Stalin and Mao loved to have their citizens repeat like robots loyalty oaths.
Again the Tea Party favors symbols over the truth.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:26pmWarning an Anti American ENCINOM on the loose .
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:32pm@encinom
Report Post »You are correct even though you are using the truth to conform to your anti-American beliefs. These kids were not forced to do this nor required to show allegance to this country, it is your commie buddies in the aclu that are trying to take away our nation’s freedoms and force schools and anybody else to not be allowed to show respect and honor to our country. You may think that it makes you look smart and intelligent to spout off stupid statements but sooner or later you will realize that people are seeing you for what you are, not what you pretend to be.
@ meamerican
I guess your limb broke LOL I do not know which of the two kids started this but I would have to say that knowing the area and overall the kids around here it is about a million to one that they are black.
KimH211
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:35pm@Zorro He said “Mexican,“ not ”Hispanic.” I’m pretty sure he meant “illegal” as well. Hispanics and anyone here legally are welcomed with open arms. It’s the illegal aliens who disrespect our country and our laws.
Just wait for the May Day marches/Cinco de Mayo…you‘ll see what I’m talking about
Report Post »mrdbcooper
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:38pmagreed
Report Post »mrdbcooper
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:39pmsometimes a simple FU is required…communicate with them in their own language.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:40pmSchools have a have the right that surpass the bill of rights. For instance school can tell kids out to dress,punish for profanity, take away their second amendment rights, tell them when and where they have to be be, remove their right to speak and a list of others as far as that goes.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:44pmA-c-l—-fu!
Report Post »ltb
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:45pmIt’s nice to know that the property taxes of people like me are paying for the education of disrespectful little punks like those.
Report Post »يسوع المسيح هو الرب
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:47pmPresidente Obama. Les pido que o constructor de la Gran Muralla para erigir el muro entre Estados Unidos y México, mientras que entre usted y media de Estados Unidos
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:50pmTo ZORRO
“ Everyboby with the same brush ”
Let’s look at crime statistics, prison number statistics, you “patriotic” people come in second place on those statistics, and in first place for using up welfare programs in Calif.
So one of your kids join’s the Army the other 5 ride the system, in prison, welfare costs, and bleed the Calif. medicare system dry, that’s “patriotic” ?
Report Post »getalong
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:51pmHere’s an idea – tell the 2 students who didn’t want to stand to leave the room if it offends them and stand out in the fricking hallway. When will enough be enough! I hope this school board fights back, because guess what this IS the United States of America and damn it if somebody doesn’t like it than GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Dahart
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:58pmI see ENCINOM is still looking for the his “Content of his Character”!
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:05pm@Encinom,
And I reserve the right to refer to Pelosi as “ma’am“ rather than ”senator”, but I doubt she would allow me to do so. “Allow” is the key word in that statement. I guess it would be a matter of respect….hmmmm? I can show respect to someone I do not necessarily respect, and I would like it to be a matter of my choice, not forced, but it would not be so. Yet, you would advocate for no respect in the school districts even though there may be a conduct (behavior) policy already on the books, and enforcable. You are lawless, and you advocate for lawlessness. You would be happy, I’m sure, that the world were run by emotions only and not the rule of law.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:13pmGODSAMERICA
Report Post »Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:32pm
@encinom
You are correct even though you are using the truth to conform to your anti-American beliefs. These kids were not forced to do this nor required to show allegance to this country, it is your commie buddies in the aclu that are trying to take away our nation’s freedoms and force schools and anybody else to not be allowed to show respect and honor to our country. You may think that it makes you look smart and intelligent to spout off stupid statements but sooner or later you will realize that people are seeing you for what you are, not what you pretend to be.
__________________________________________
How did the ACLU take away freedom, by making sure that the school honored the first amendment rights of all of the students? Those that feel the need to stand for the pledge can, but nobody will be compelled to, so how is this destroying freedoms, how is protecting the disenters rights limits the majorities?
banjarmon
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:24pm@ Robert-CA
Report Post »Well said.
It’s all about teaching Respect. Some people need to be made to do something.
encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:35pmteachermitch32
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:05pm
@Encinom,
And I reserve the right to refer to Pelosi as “ma’am“ rather than ”senator”, but I doubt she would allow me to do so. “Allow” is the key word in that statement. I guess it would be a matter of respect….hmmmm? I can show respect to someone I do not necessarily respect, and I would like it to be a matter of my choice, not forced, but it would not be so. Yet, you would advocate for no respect in the school districts even though there may be a conduct (behavior) policy already on the books, and enforcable. You are lawless, and you advocate for lawlessness. You would be happy, I’m sure, that the world were run by emotions only and not the rule of law.
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I agree with you, the issue is choice, the prior rule removed choice from the equation and compelled the students to take an oath, no choice. The new policies allows for choice, this is not Stalin’s russia and citizens have the choice whether or not recite the pledge. This has nothing to do with lawlessness and everything to do with the freedom of expression we enjoy as citizens.
Taquoshi
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:56pmInteresting, they chose not to stand for the pledge. People around them stood and pledged. The word got around the school that they were not standing. Okay. They were IGNORED for their lack of respect. That wasn’t what they had in mind, so they called the ACLU and complained.
Wow! Like wow! Like I‘d even considering hiring these doofuses because they can’t respect others to the point where they have to call in the ACLU to fight their battle for them. Oh the pain! Oh the suffering of sitting there IGNORED for 15 to 25 seconds. How outrageous.
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 3:59pm@encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:01pm
I thought the Tea Party was about all about freedom, being compelled to take a loyalty oath sounds facist. The Jevoha Witnesses have a religious problem with pledge an oath, should they also be forced. Again, this is the Beckerheads putting symbols above the true meaning of America.
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Stuff it.
If al Qaeda wants to demolish the Christian-based America that we know and love, they had better hurry because Obama/Soetoro/? is beating them to it!
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:03pm@encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:21pm
Some one show me where in the constitution does it force or compel its citizens to take loyalty oaths. Forcing a citizen to take such an oath is against the spirit of the Founders and unconstitutional. I hear Hitler, Stalin and Mao loved to have their citizens repeat like robots loyalty oaths.
Again the Tea Party favors symbols over the truth.
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The Democrats don’t take a loyalty oath because they do not know the meaning of allegiance or loyalty. All they know is control, control, control, and gimme, gimme, gimme!
grandmaof5
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:14pmMAULMAN, like that idea. A short civics class everyday: 1. demonstrate the proper way to say the Pledge of Allegiance. 2. Know all the words and say them slowly and clearly 3. Everyday, a small part of the pledge is broken down and explained or other small points of flag, military, etc. gone over 4. exam at the end of each quarter. Don’t stand up or say the pledge correctly counts against your grade. Parents who opt their kids out of this course get sent back to Mexico and the kid still gets a failing grade if all requirements are not completed.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:17pmMy bad , I said farmer instead of rancher .
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:32pm@يسوع المسيح هو الرب
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:47pm
Presidente Obama. Les pido que o constructor de la Gran Muralla para erigir el muro entre Estados Unidos y México, mientras que entre usted y media de Estados Unidos
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Your name means “Jesus is Lord.”
Your message asks Pres. Obama to build a wall between Mexico and the United States.
Thank you for both your name and for your message.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:33pmIf You Covered your self in Jello while naked and screamed that in the School….The ACLU would support your comment AHHAH.(May even Get you some Funding from the National Endowment for the Arts)
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:35pm@Brasil2520
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 2:50pm
To ZORRO
“ Everyboby with the same brush ”
Let’s look at crime statistics, prison number statistics, you “patriotic” people come in second place on those statistics, and in first place for using up welfare programs in Calif.
So one of your kids join’s the Army the other 5 ride the system, in prison, welfare costs, and bleed the Calif. medicare system dry, that’s “patriotic” ?
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If you had not shown your ignorance by what you said, I would correct your grammar. Methinks you do not have the intelligence to understand that, either.
AriBenTZion
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:35pmThe Bolshevik ACLU has been undermining the American system and values for a long time now because the American people have allowed them to do so.
Millions of Americans still support Obama – what does that tell you about our Country? That is why this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
We have the leader we deserve.
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:41pmMy feeling is that if the students are too lazy to stand, or are disrespectful to the American Flag and the Republic for which it stands, perhaps they have no business in an American school in the first place! My ancestors died in battle to give us freedom.
I am sick and tired of Mexicans, radical Islamic Muslims, Progressives, AND the ACLU dancing and crapping on our ancestors’ graves!
Report Post »IronSights
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:48pmI think Texas and like minded states should classify the ACLU as a hate organization and ban their activities and efforts in their state.
As far as the little @$$ bags that don’t want to participate in the pledge of allegiance send them on a field a trip to Mexico for 2 weeks, maybe they’ll come to appreciate this Great Nation.
Report Post »greeneyes1982
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 4:52pmIt seems to me that some people posting here have no idea what the first amendment is and what the definition of Freedom of speech is. The definition of freedom of speech is as follows: noun;
Report Post »the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc. Ok, so when did a school start to have governmental authority? More importantly, what opinion was being expressed by these students that was not allowed to be vocalized? Freedom of speech of the other students was violated through the school by the ACLU, these kids were trying to incite a rebellion….which violates the other students rights to speech. So someone tell me which constitutional right did the school actually violate? The ACLU is trying to use thuggery to strip the rules and regulations of a school district and preying on our children to “change” America. Quit making-up “rights” and “adjusting” the Constitution to fit your agenda.
grandmaof5
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 5:06pmIRONSIGHTS, if they make it back without being murdered and put in a mass grave. Still not sure they would appreciate the opportunities they have.
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 5:11pm@greeneyes1982
I had hope there for a second that you knew what you were talking about, alas you have no clue.
First, it was a public school, public schools are government bodies. Second the public school mandate students stand and recite the pledge. Third the SCOTUS, during WWII, has already ruled that such a policy is a violation of the first amendment, and ruling since then have upheld that their is a first amendment right to dissent. The new policy no longer mandates students to stand and recite the pledge, they are free to choose for themselves. Again, your points have no basis in the facts presented and are nothing more than a factless rant against an organization you have been told and conditioned to hate.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 6:23pmWhat is wrong with America ? One word, courts. The liberals have overtaken every aspect of our society, because calling somebody a commie wasn’t taken seriously, and look at our nation today.
Report Post »GOD is good for if I had a time machine, fill in the rest as you would do.
Courts, ruling in favor of insanity, and ruling against our freedoms. I just can grasp the depths of how incredibly toasted we well and truly are. If we make it to 2012 we’d better get it right or forget about it.
encinom
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 6:40pm@BetterDays
Report Post »How is this a ruling against your freedoms, the pledge is no longer manditory, now those that stand for the pledge do so not because they are forced to, but because they want to. To many here are seeking to protect symbols at the expense of the true meaning behind our principals. Fascist nations force, under threat of punishment, their citizens to take loyalty oaths, citizens of free nations have the choice.
VegasGuy
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 6:41pmIf you want to understand why students are not standing up for the pledge you need to look no further than the (teacher’s) union label. With all the left wing agenda in today’s text books it is not a surprise students have such disdain for America.
Report Post »Theleftisda
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 8:34pmThe ACLU does not want your six year old son to stand up and say the pledge.
Report Post »but has no ploblem with a forty year old NAMBLA member taking your son into
a closet at the school and have sex with him.
Curioso
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 8:57pmIt is not that they do not want to stand but what kind of message does this send to children. Where are they going to learn to follow rules much less laws if they are allowed to do whatever they want. Not following some rules has big consequences later in life. If they are allowed not to follow rules then that will progress into not obeying the law. I feel sorry for the parents of these kids in that school. The parents of those children are children themselves maybe not in age but in mentality. Oh well we get what we deserve in the long run. I see problems ahead for this nation. Big Big Ones.
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Posted on April 25, 2011 at 10:01pm@ SHOWTIME
The Blaze removed my post & the post was :
Report Post »We do speak English in here .
Let’s not encourage other people with posting in different language or else it will be chaos in here & I don‘t mean to offend anyone but let’s keep it in English .
PATTY HENRY
Posted on April 26, 2011 at 2:23amSUGGESTION: Go get a member of the VFW and a Flag and print up some hand outs and ask the teacher in whatever class if you can have 5 minutes. THEN let the VFW explain to those kids why the FLAG is important. Then pass out flyers of books they can read to verify his statements etc.
WE have to NOW get to the point that if we don’t like something, we have to DO something. WITHOUT MALICE, without vengeance but with the understanding that these kids have NEVER BEEN taught AMERICAN History…they have virtually NO traditions to fall back on, no communication about how great our country is. IF the one on one doesn’t work, go to the SCHOOL BOARD and ask for an assembly for the whole school and get other parents to join with you. I‘ve never met a kid that LOVE didn’t get to. LOVE and the TRUTH. I mean this.
Report Post »DogWithA_Bone
Posted on April 26, 2011 at 6:57amAll for 2 children…
Report Post »That is a sad commentary…
Bill in Texas
Posted on April 26, 2011 at 9:37amI hope the parents would go to the school and make sure their kids are showing the proper respect. If they don‘t want to and don’t like it they can leave! Come to America and adapt to our customs and adopt our way of life. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!
Report Post »americanbaby
Posted on April 26, 2011 at 9:56amNot standing for the Pledge th the flag is the most dispicable act have heard in a long time. This act of absolutely no repercussions for this is even more disturbing! Any person who disrespects our Country, Flag and Servicemen (including our president and his cronies) should be shipped out and deemed persons without a country! This is America the Great Love Her Stand beside her guide her and protect her from ENEMIES WITHIN. WE HAVE THOSE ALL OVER ESPECIALLY IN OUR WHITE HOUSE AND OUR SCHOOLS1 GOD BLESS OUR NATION AND OLD GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on April 26, 2011 at 1:17pmThey just want to sit on their arse and eat tacos
Report Post »sickntiredofliberals
Posted on April 26, 2011 at 9:01pmI wish someone had the guts to say “We do not accept you”, as you DO NOT represent MY America. They should be listed as Americian Communist…… If more REAL Americans would stand up to them and just say NO, they may crawl back under their rock and stay there.
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Posted on April 27, 2011 at 9:23pm@Encinom
Keep educating them. They might get it someday.
@Beckerheads
Did all you hear the last words from that guy? He said he won’t be able to PUNISH the students. Isn’t that sad. Here in America, we should punish people if they don’t want to pledge their allegiance. Aparently that’s called freedom you want. Personally I love America because we have the freedom to say what we want, it’s called the first amendment. Aren’t you Beckerheads supposed to support the Constitution. Try starting with the first amendment. Or maybe you want to live in China.
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