ACLU Sues Alaska Over Transgender Woman‘s Driver’s License
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JUNEAU, Alaska (AP/The Blaze) — The American Civil Liberties Union is suing the state of Alaska on behalf of a transgender woman, alleging that it denied her a driver‘s license listing her gender as female unless she provided proof that she’d undergone a sex change operation.
The lawsuit, filed in state court in Anchorage Monday, states that denying the woman a license that accurately reflects her gender identity because she hasn’t undergone surgery is unconstitutional.
According to the lawsuit, the woman, a pilot identified only as K.L., has lived her life as a woman for nearly two years. It states that she officially changed her name, receives hormone therapy, and is identified as female on her passport and other documents.
A message was left late Monday afternoon with the Department of Law’s civil division.
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Comments (131)
StargazerInSavannah
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:47pmSeems that the solution is simple. The Sex/Gender should be “NONE”
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:07pmIt ought to become law that only your GENETIC identifier can be used legally as your “sex”, no matter what you consider yourself to be; He, She or Tree.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 6:50pmIf she was found dead without ID, what sex would a coroner ascribe to her, after they noticed her p enis?
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:33pmSex should be listed as “transgender female”
Report Post »fereedom1
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:42pmI think “it” does fit!
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:33pmIt is a man if it has a penis It will always be a man .
Report Post »ACLU where do they get their money anyway some one needs to investigate them
txbigfoot
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 8:15amBRAVO!!!
Report Post »cut their money.
BrendaT
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 12:00amThe ACLU makes a lot of money from all these lawsuits. They love it when some idiot crys that they are offended by something….doesn’t matter if half the world is ok by it!
Report Post »Drivenbylogic
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:46pmIt never ceases to amaze me that people find it perfectly reasonable to change ones gender…as if by any stretch of the definition it is “normal”.
Report Post »@ Lesbian You see hate because the idea of someone “changing” their gender is repulsive to most of us. Because we do not accept these people as “normal” we hate them? I do not hate these poor confused souls…I pity them. I thank God that when I wake up in the morning and look in the mirror I am comfortable with who and what I am. The problem with so many people is that if someone disagrees with you it doesn’t automatically make them WRONG, it means you have a difference of opinion. So many on the left automatically seek to demonize people with differing opinions with labels, if your against gay marriage for example your a “homophobe” and by the very assertion of the label the left seeks to frame the argument as if your opinion is wrong!! I refuse to accept this very flawed and intellectually dishonest approach to free and open debate.
Wayner
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:06amI could care less if I’m labeled a homphobe or whatever…. the fact is that I despise queers.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:08pm@driven – you said:
“I thank God that when I wake up in the morning and look in the mirror I am comfortable with who and what I am.”
You SHOULD thank him – fervently. what you should not do is be so dogmatic about people who are afflicted with a condition you cannot relate to or understand. The attitude of most on the right towards transsexual people is the equivalent of saying to a suicidal person “get over it”
Our condition is not one of our own choosing, or “fixable” through any reputable method. the treatment for being TS is to transition. Period. Those who insist we do not are simply saying “you have to spend your life suffering because what you need to do creeps me out” – and that’s not a good enough reason.
Also, to be clear, I speak of transsexuals, not transgenders, which is a somewhat different animal. there ARE TG people who simply choose to defy the gender binary in the same way that one might chose to defy any other social norm (like, for instance, goth folks or whatever). That‘s not what i’m speaking of here.
Report Post »Eric Von Zipper
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:15pmMy friends… Transgender huh?… Not only is this person genetically challenged, they are also mentally disturbed. It doesn’t matter what drugs you take or whether or not you have something cut off or stitched on, you are what you are. This person in a male human being. He can dress like a woman, take drugs to change his physical appearance and even have his penis removed, but he will still be a male human being… He will always be a male human being…
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:10pmyour ignorance is showing.
Report Post »Lost Shaker Assault
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:05amTo think that you are a different sex is not normal. What would you say to an anorexic skin-and-bones woman who thinks she is fat? Its the same thing. P.S. Cool name Eric. I love those movies.
Report Post »Lost Shaker Assault
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:16amHey Eric… When you state the facts, someone who swallows a ridiculous lie like Tammy, says your ignorance is showing.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:29am@Lost – the problem with your supposition is that I haven’t “believed the lie” of others (well, I did for a while but not the way you mean) – I’m living the truth. i have more reason than anyone else here to have examined this issue from every angle and i have. i spent most of my life believing a lie – which was the lie that God considered people like me an “abomination” and that we could be “healed” – i believed that with all my heart and soul and I poured all my faith into the the expectation that the promised healing would come.
So yeah, I believed a lie (albeit, a lie told in good faith) but I know better now. How? By dealing with God about it, not by listening to liberals. The difference in me and you is i HAD to deal with God about it – and all you have to do is take the preacher’s word for it without thinking about it.
Is it “normal”? Heck no! Neither is autism, or spina bifida, or any of a hundred other mental defects one might be born with – but we don’t call THOSE things sin. Heck, even if i concede your example (which is not in fact appropriate because anorexia can kill you and being trans can’t) you say of that girl “she’s unhealthy“ not ”she’s an abomination, a sinner, a deviant, a pervert” so yeah, there’s that.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:41amas to what Eric’s ignorance is, specifically: IF in fact it’s genetic (and it might well not be) then “mentally disturbed” is an inaccurate description since that implies a correctable condition (not true of genetic disorders) so the first sentence is internally contradictory.
The oft heard claim that “you’re still a man” is a red-herring. a difference which makes no difference is no difference. Outside of reproduction, there is really no essential situation in day to day life in which chromosomal make-up plays ANY role in life. Nothing you do outside the doctor’s office or the hospital is screened on that basis.
But in terms of how they relate to their boss or co-worker, or their neighbor or their mailman or the fellow church member or pretty much anyone else in the world – chromosomes are irrelevant. It’s true that SOME transwomen never reach a point of passability on external measures.
But laying aside such “tells” – you meet a passable transwoman and she is indistinguishable from any other female – often medical professionals don’t know until told (I know of transwomen who are ask at a new doctor’s office when they had their last period). You can pout and say “But it’s a MAN!” if you want, but a difference which makes no difference is no difference. I’ts just you being an @$$ and meddling in other people’s lives.
Try embracing liberty for a change.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:13pmSometimes reality just hits me in the face and I can’t hardly believe we are having discussions like this………God help us!!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:11pmWhy? what is this to you? How is your life impacted in any way because of this person or what it says on their driver’s license?
Report Post »Lost Shaker Assault
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:43amBecause to be liberal is to say yeah! To everything. Men are from mars, women are from venus. You can’t hug a child with nuclear-arms. Free Mumia. Health care is a right. Tax the rich. Yeah! It is the left who want to re-define everything. To be a leftist you have to flip the script on everything. Up is down, black is white. Two transgendered people and a goat are a family. Political-correctness does not trump reality and thousands of years of human nature.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:51amblah blah blah. I’m not remotely a liberal and my question stands. Showing indifference to this action (the transition, and/or the changed license) does not require you to accept ONE other thing that liberals support. Have the intellectual integrity to discuss each individual issue on it’s merits instead of shouting “the liberals are coming to eat your children!!!1!!1!”
If you want to invoke thousands of years of human nature – you might be interested to know that transgender people appear in the histories of pretty much every major civilization we know about, and many cultures around the world embrace them without prejudice, some even consider them specially blessed. The only difference in our day is we have the means to intervene medically.
The “reality” is that this is not a new thing, it is not a liberal thing, it is a condition which exists now and always has (as far as we have records) and is only a big deal in our culture because misguided Christians (in generations bast) appropriated Scripture to support their bigotry – in pretty much exactly the same way that not too long ago everyone was positive the Bible forbids race mixing which was “against nature”, and not too long before that it was considered Biblical that women stay home and let the men vote, and not too long before that everyone knew it was Biblical to keep “inferior” people as slaves and not too long before that it was obviously Biblical to burn a witch and…shall I go on?
Report Post »Cuthalu
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:52amOf course the ACLU would back this up, anything to destablize the US and christianity the ACLU are all for. Why doesn’t Beck do stories on them and call them out for what they have been doing?
Report Post »NRAmedic23
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:31pmACLU, the Anti-Christian Lawyer Union!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:12pmplease explain how this person and their driver’s license destabilizes the country or the religion.
Please be specific.
Report Post »Jake in Denver
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:00amIf you have a penis and testes, you are male. It has nothing to do with identity and everything to do with biology.
You wouldn‘t list a midget as 6’6″ becasue they identified themselves as having a large personality.
Report Post »melmatmic
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:54amIf you have an Adam’s apple you are male. Females don’t have one. I don‘t know if they’ve figured out how to cut that off yet.
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:55amScenario
She is allowed to be a HE on a drivers license. say named John Doe
He pulled over for DUI and arrested.
John Doe is booked and strip searched and found to have a v a g i n a.
At which point her lawyer says THE POLICE arrested THE WRONG PERSON and sues for false arrest.
OR
she sues because she is locked up on the side of the jail with the other prisoners who have a v a g i n a instead of a p e n i s.
OR
She sues because the police allow her to be locked up with the “MEN” like she wants and then she is raped because she has a v a g i n a .
Report Post »Jake in Denver
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:07amI think you got it backwards. She was born a He and has not proved that the He parts have been turned into She parts.
The gender discernment of a license is based on biology and not mental identity. If the individual has intact male anatomy, they are a male.
You would list a midgets height at 6′6″ because they identify as having a large personality.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:23pm@Jake – you describe it correctly but the question is – why? At root, why does it need a gender marker at all. IF you are arrested you can be required to disclose appropriate information on the matter, but if not, what’s the marker for? Beyond that, what practical reason is there for it to reflect one particular bit of anatomy? Let’s say this person has breasts, no testes (thus no erection or male sex drive), and yet still has a p-enis – which biology are you reflecting with the marker? the penis does nothing but urinate at this point. WHY does the cop need to know it’s there?
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:45amObamaCare will probably COVER gender “reassignment” FORCING everyone to pay more to spread the wealth and driving up the cost of healthcare WHILE denying too expensive breast cancer medication used for years in the USA and overseas to women = which ObamaCare already did. .
If she has a uterus and v a g i n a, she is FEMALE.
Cher’s so-called “son” Chaz takes male hormone drugs and had HER breasts removed BUT Chaz does not have a p e n u s and has no plans to get one. She may even still have her uterus.
Both Chaz and this Alaska woman can say they are men all they want but until they have ALL their plumbing re-assigned they are not. Both are probably waiting for ObamaCare to kick in to get it done.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:25pmA. you have the gender state of the Alaska woman reversed
Report Post »B. in cities where SRS is covered on the insurance plan, the cost of the insurance does not go up because there are so few (relatively speaking) candidates for surgery.
Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:55amI‘ll wager I’ve done vastly more thinking on the subject than you have – your confidence in your opinions notwithstanding. Here’s a tip for you – when you study everything available on the subject and have an opinion of your own and not what some preacher or teacher or talk show host TOLD you to think, get back to me. Ive spent most of 40 years checking every angle, including the teachng that it was an “abomination” – have you ever spent 10 consecutive minutes giving thought to it (other than how it creeps you out)?
You act as if you have reached some clever, witty, conclusion when you pronounce I’m “a man named Tommy” – you might want to catch up a bit before you congratulate yourself on your powers of deduction.
Report Post »gemologist
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:08amI want to know why what God made someone makes no difference to the author of this piece?
If they were born a male, they are a male. That’s it. you can get all the surgery you want, you can never change what you were born as.
If the only thing that matters is what a person PREFERS to be called then I demand that you refer to me as extra-male, super-him, super-he super-his. or I will throw a tizzy fit and call in some group to harang everyone who does against my wishes.
Maybe I will get a prosthetic tail sewn on and go around barking and demand everyone see me as a dog.
Tiffany,
Report Post »THIS IS SO CHILDISH. Stop giving in to the way other people in the media do things and refer to people as they are, not as they simply wish.
meeester
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:54amhow about Super-Him-Dog?
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:33pmWhat “God made” this person is transsexual. it is a condition present from birth. Do you condemn other people who seek medical treatment for a birth defect? If we can cure a child born blind do we say “nope! got to stay as god made you!” of course not.
For those willing to reason it’s not difficult to see how such a birth defect could happen.
1. we know birth defects happen, and not all of them due to genetics.
2. we know that some birth defects affect the sexual and gender construction of the body (what were once called “hermaphrodites” and are not called intersex – i wonder, by the way, how you fit them into “stay what god made you”)
3. We know that birth defects affect the human brain.
4. we know that the primary organ in determining gender identity (and sexual orientation) is the brain (after all, your ****** doesn’t speak and tell you that you are a girl)
5. We know that the pre-born fetus is exposed to two separate “hormones baths” at different points in gestation – one affecting the genitals and one affecting the brain.
These are not guesses but established medical facts, the first four of which are common knowledge.
In light of that, how is it unreasonable to suggest that a person may have a birth defect which “mis-genders” their brain (in relation to their genitals or genes)?
Since we accept we live in a world where people are born with birth defects – by what right do we pick and chose which birth defect is not acceptable?
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:38pmalso, “god made” is very simplistic thinking – if a child is born autistic or blind do we say “that’s how god made them”?
We live in a fallen world and bad things happen in a fallen world. God does not initiate bad things to happen to specific unfortunate individuals – he ALLOWS the world to work as it does and intervenes only when it serves his own purpose. to say “god did it” about every tiny detail is to suggest that God starts every fire on purpose, God directs every tornado to kill one man and spare his neighbor, and so forth – that he specifically afflicts the child with cancer or your mom with a heart attack.
That may be your religion but it’s not mine and frankly, i can’t see why anyone would want to serve such a God. in the same way that a person can be born blind, or autistic, or any of a thousand other “abnormal” ways – they can be born transsexual. That is simply a state of being in which you are neither fully male or fully female, just as a person who has both sets of genitals is.
and when we try to do something about that and find some peace “loving” religious folks condemn us as freaks and perverts.
how very Christ-like.
Report Post »nofroglicker
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:00amMost DL in the US reference sex not gender. I always wanted to answer YES!
Report Post »gemologist
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:49pmNo-uh!
You should call people whatever they want, after all, someone might get their feelings hurt.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 7:53pmno Gem, clearly you should call them whatever makes you feel superior to them. That is the bottom line after all – how many people out there am i better than, right?
Report Post »RRFlyer
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:54amPeople are missing the point. The description on a drivers license is for IDENTIFICATION. Suppose this person was killed and couldn’t be identified. The drivers license says ‘Female’ but they have a male body there. it could possibly be years before the family knew.
Report Post »coolioman9606
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:59amExactly. It makes no difference what anyone wants to identify themselves as, it has no effect on what a drivers license says. If you want to be emotionally identified as something else go for it. But that ain’t the parts ya got on your body.
Report Post »lizaz
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:44pmYou are right….it’s for identification, not for bragging rights!! Wake up, people and get a life!!!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:44pmnonsense. It’s not like the gender marker is the only bit of identifying info. By your logic, if the ID says “Lisa Smith” and cop sees a penis (which begs the question – do cops check dead body’s genitals before making an ID?) then he’s helpless.
That’s just silly.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:53amBeing designated female on a license would enable this man to use a female bathroom. What could a police officer do to prevent it?
The American Criminal Liars Association is suing in court endless going over what he wants, desires,…
Why don’t we lay out his life history. That is verbotten I know. Was he a late bloomer, the ugly ducking? Was he bullied? Was he in the bottom 5% 10% or 25% of athletic ability. Did he feel worthless at a male. I would rather look their for an explanation and thus a solution to make him whole, then have the ACLU wreck our whole civilization.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:46pmplease explain how the gender issues of <.5% of the population will "wreck our whole civilization"
Please be specific.
Report Post »RestoreCapitalism
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:53amI don’t care if you have had plastic surgery to turn you into a bat, it’s a lie to relabel ones gender. You can’t change the chromosomes. This whole issue opens a huge can of worms, and criminals can use ‘gender change’ to escape justice as well. Doesn’t truth matter anymore?????
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:07amThe LGBT community knows more about chromosomes & the genetic causes of homosexuality than all the rest of us. They are so smart. Just ask them. They have have identified the specific gene(s). That is why the debate is over. They have yet to name those gene(s). I wonder why.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:49pmThere are abnormal chromosome structures that are neither classically male or female – it’s a pretty commonly known scientific fact. What would you call those folk? “Neither”? “Both”?
If it is possible for XXY chromosomes to exist (and it is) and if it’s possible for people to be born with both male and female genitalia (and it obviously is) then by what logic do you deny it’s possible to be born with a female brain and male genitalia (or vice versa)?
Oh, and by the way – a birth defect need not be genetic.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:49amThe hate in this thread drives out all truth in this thread. I will therefore not cast my pearls of wisdom before you swine.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:01amSomeone says they are transgendered and we just uncritical say okay he is your new license?
That will work out well.
Consider John Mark Karr, a.k.a. Alexis Reich. He was charged with child pornography. He is lucky that he not in prison. Then he decided he was transgendered.
Anyone want to make a freak’n bet as to whether that will turn out well?
Read his life history. Was he really a female trapped in a male body? Or is it more likely his parents weren’t all there?
If this guy can get any action in his new role, he is going to be an AIDS case. That is my prediction.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:09amAnd the actions of one criminal justify your being vile to tens of thousands of non-criminal fellow citizens? You make my skin crawl.
Report Post »robstoddard
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:22amI see no hate here. Liberals spout “hate hate hate” as a way to divert the facts, this is clearly evident in your post.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:22amAre you sure he is the only one?
Are you sure we can’t find more examples?
I am better read than you think. I like how LGBT takes on a multi-disciplinary approach to explaining things, but it really isn’t a multi-disciplinary approach.
Nothing is so disgusting as eating at a sidewalk cafe and having a tranny a few feet away hovering. The round, open sores really send you over the top. True story. I wouldn’t put up with it now, I would go elsewhere.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:33amThe plural of anecdote is not data. I don’t care how many examples of “disgusting” “trannys” you can make up. None of that gives any of you latitude to be as heinous as you are in here, and no doubt in your everyday face-to-face lives with a minority who gives you no offense, but which you choose to take offense at their very existence.
And yes, by your collective behaviour in here, you do hate. You throw out medical scientific fact, biologic scientific fact, psychologic scientific fact, genetic scientific fact, all in the cause of justifying your own sexual and gender bigotry.
You are all horrible people, and this entire article is nothing but bait to allow you to spout your hatred toward a minority population, and deserves to be deleted in toto.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:34amOne of the first gay advocates and theorists, Karl-Heinrich Ulrichs, hypothesized about female spirits trapped in male bodies and male spirits trapped in female bodies. He is an interesting read. I think it is hysterical that so many gays give Christianists (their term) the 5th degree about believing in a higher power. They are of the opinion that Christians are delusional about believing in a “fictional guy in the sky” and if they had the numbers they would lock them all up in psych wards.
Well, if Christianists are delusional, then is not Ulrich’s theory of Uranians, spirits inhabiting the wrong body, so much BS. One of his last 2 reasons for homosexuality was that it was the only way for some men to get some. For example they were in prison.
If Ulrich a gay pioneer can posit the prison theory for the prevalence of homosexuality, I can posit the pecking order theory as a cause. There may and probably are more than one cause.
Isn’t prison where Kinsey conducted his research on the heterosexuality-Homosexuality scale?
Is prison representative of society at large or is it a special case?
Is a prison population a RANDOM SAMPLE of society?
Report Post »rcw1120
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:39am@Walkabout & @ Robstoddard
Are you guys serious or just trollin? I cant tell if you are that inept or just trolling…
Im with the lady on this one. Sadly, in America its the same way. No changing of identification until after surgery, which I really think is a crock of BS.
In order to get the surgery you need to do hormones and live as that gender. I have seen a lot of my transitioning friends kicked out of places or denied access to places because they didnt appear to be the sex listed on their IDs.
Kinda funny how that works isnt it.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:45amIf you find enough examples, sooner or later one will want to conduct a proper statistical study to test the posited hypothesis and make inferences.
People do this informally all the time. Many times they can be wrong. Some people eschew inductive reasoning for deductive reasoning, but inductive reasoning is hardwired into animals. So it must have survival merit.
I am sure that some LGBT theorist has explanations for trannies galore. But from reading one popular LGBT culture website I have learned this. They are supported, but they are confused as to why they are that way. You better go out and twist so more science and lie with more statistics.
You cite Kinsey’s statistics. I don’t think his scholarship is statistically sound. When you “salt” a statistical sample need I believe anything else the man espoused?
Report Post »Zoe
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:47amSo if this is not your wisdom may we classify it as your … uhm… Stupidity? Make up your mind…. or would it be an offensive oxymoron based on your “handle”. Please be consistent with your demands of how you want to be treated. You are the moving target.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:56am@ RCW1120
I have asked people who follow all the latest literature to buttress LGBT point of view to show me the gene or group of genes working together that cause a person to be LGBT. They couldn’t.
They sputtered about epigenetic causes. They could be right. But they ceded the ground on gene’s quickly. Gene Methylization is a biological mechanism to pass on traits to subsequent generations of a trait such as crooked tails in lab mice.
Someone is running out of running room. Understanding of the code is rapidly advancing. If a cause is not found genetically or epigenetically, are you going to sue Michelle Bachman’s husband for providing therapy for people who voluntarily show up to his clinic?
On what grounds? You don’t want fewer people in your community. You prevent them from voluntarily leaving? By preventing them from voluntarily seeking a therapy because you do not believe in it. Because it does not comport to your belief system?
Who would be the GRAND Inquisitor in that situation?
Report Post »coolioman9606
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:02amWhy is the liberal default to label every contention as “hateful”. If it were true you’d think we were Neo Nazis or something.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:06amDoes that mean you want to list male on your driver’s license? I don’t hate lesbians, one of my friends in the Navy was (back in the mid 80′s, yes it was don‘t ask don’t tell, but we all knew). Like I said earlier, the plumbing determines what you are officially, no matter which sex you prefer to date. A transgender who hasn’t had the surgery yet, is still what God made them. If they are so up on changing genders, get the surgery. I don’t like militant gay haters, and I don’t like militant gays. My friend told me she would much rather bend a straight woman than date a woman who liked women.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:12am“You are all horrible people, and this entire article is nothing but bait to allow you to spout your hatred toward a minority population, and deserves to be deleted in toto.”
Go ahead & report the posts. Have them all deleted/censored. It would be a very leftist thing to do.
Report Post »SLIDELLMAN
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:59pmYou need to stop buggin’. Nobody has to accept a man’s decision to want to pretend to be a girl 24/7. It is not normal, and saying people who agree with this assessment is guilty of “hate” will not change minds.
Sorry, Charlie, but in the real world, there is such a thing as basic right and wrong, and morality is not subjective.
Report Post »Samantha3
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:20pmMy apologies if you have been offended by comments posted here. However, if were to decide the sky is not blue because I don’t feel comfortable around the color blue it would still reflect the color blue. What you are reading is the frustration brought about after having nonsense crammed down our throats for years. So you’re a man but feel like a woman. Do you have a penis? Sorry, you‘re a man no matter what it says on your driver’s license. Gender can become very critical information at the hospital. Wearing masks and adopting new labels can’t change nature. Let’s stop it. It isn’t nice to lie to our children and that is what this society is doing today.
Report Post »rcw1120
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:32pm@Walkabout
Thats because as there may in fact be a genetic predisposition or cause, the current studies and medical work suggest that a hormonal issue in the mother affects and ultimately effeminizes the fetus.
If they really think that going to therapy will work, then by all means. But I would rather be rejected by my family, by society, or anyone that will disown me for my sexuality than to lie to myself and try to change the way that I was created.
I feel bad for those that feel they are unaccepted, but if they turn to “treatment” then that is their choice.
My belief system has really nothing to do with this.
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:58pm@Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
JUST ONCE, I’d like you to post DATA *as in LINKS etc* as PROOF of the bulls….. you post.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:03pm@walkabout-
“Consider John Mark Karr”
Consider Jeffery Dahmer – shall we conclude straight people are prone to serial killing?
“Read his life history. Was he really a female trapped in a male body? Or is it more likely his parents weren’t all there?”
The existence of one twisted example (or even a few dozen” establishes nothing about the condition, any more than the existence of people who practice B&D proves you like to be spanked.
“Are you sure we can’t find more examples?”
I’m sure you can. I’m sure I can find many many examples of priests who abused small boys – should I therefore conclude that pedophilia is common to Christians, or to Catholics?
“Nothing is so disgusting…I would go elsewhere.”
It’s a free country.
“One of the first gay advocates and theorists, Karl-Heinrich Ulrichs”
Was a nutter – so what?
“If you find enough examples, sooner or later one will want to conduct a proper statistical study to test the posited hypothesis and make inferences.”
Astonishing no one has ever done a statistical survey on transseualism – oh…wait…
“I am sure that some LGBT theorist has explanations for trannies galore. But from reading one popular LGBT culture website …”
As a matter of fact, quite a few homosexuals are every bit as bigoted towards transsexuals as heterosexuals are bigoted towards transsexuals as heterosexuals are towards gays. the irony is classic and points to the REAL flaw in human nature.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:48amThis person has a a mental problem. No amount of bashing by the LGBT community of me will change my mind.
When society can read DNA and the functioning of the brain as easily as computer code this will all become apparent.
I suspect this is due to the social mechanisms that create the pecking order. The person did not feel he made it as a man, so he is trying to see if he can make it as a woman. Doesn’t work.
Within the LGBT community there is jostling for power & privilege. There is a pecking order there too. Doubt me? I was reading a gay site about whether a congressman was gay or not. There was a picture of the congressman. They talked about his taste in clothes and endlessly about his package. Sounds like a ranking system to me.
It would be best that we actually treat people so that they have worth. Then we won’t have any shell shocked basket cases among us.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:28pm“This person has a a mental problem.”
Ok. And? A mental problem needs treatment – there is no effective treatment for a transsexual but transition. or death.
“I suspect this is due to the social mechanisms that create the pecking order. The person did not feel he made it as a man, so he is trying to see if he can make it as a woman. ”
How does this explain the fact that the vast majority of us knew when we were very young? Was I trying to be a girl when I was 7,8, 12 years old because i had “failed as a man”?
Furthermore, a very great many of those who transition later in life are in fact quite successful men. Often military veterans (one of my friends was a highly decorated officer) as well as successful lawyers, businessmen, surgeons, and etc.
“Within the LGBT community there is jostling for power & privilege.”
Indeed. So?
“It would be best that we actually treat people so that they have worth.”
Indeed. I invite you to display that worthy attitude towards people like myself who “confuse” you rather than assuming you know my condition better than i do, or that you have studied it and given consideration to it to REMOTELY the degree i have been forced to.
Report Post »pecosval
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:41amI am glad I know what sex I am…..too many other things to worry about in life
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:28pmYou should be. You enjoy a peace that people like me often go their whole lives without knowing. and yet we get judged for it.
Report Post »ACLUHater
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:08amSorry idiot. You are who you were when you were born. No drugs or surgery can change that! DNA doesn’t lie. Mental cases are everywhere!!!
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:35amIt’s the plumbing that makes you male or female, not how you dress or what you decide to call yourself.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:30pmyou two realize you just contradicted each other – right?
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 12:41amNo they didn’t contradict each other. Only stupid politically correct liberals think they did.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:00amcome on git – one of them said “it’s the DNA“ and the other said ”it’s the plumbing” – surely even with your pre-programed biases you can see that doesn’t match?
let me walk you through it – if “it’s the plumbing” then surgical alteration of the plumbing changes the sex (it doesn’t really – the correct answer is “it’s the brain” and the surgery simply provides a physical manifestation of what’s in the brain but that aside…). if it really was in the DNA, then the surgery is irrelevant.
contradiction.
As I’ve said before – i respect anyone’s difference of opinion if the opinion is well reasoned. but I can’t respect weak argumentation. If you are going to debate, make a good case.
Report Post »stage9
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:07amI realize that liberal radicals haven’t got the sense God gave a rock, but there’s a simple way to handle this case and save the taxpayers thousands of dollars.
What “sex” is on her birth certificate? THAT is the sex that goes on the license.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:30pmin some states, that can be changed.
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:07amWe are where we are because of the individual who feels they have a right to whatever they want. I dress in such a way therefore I DESERVE, DEMAND I be treated in a certain way. Get off my planet. Go to the Planet Zlotar and feel free to do as you want. NO ONE has unlimited rights. Except my Lord God. NOW, where is that Comet? Lord I am still waiting….Send it quickly and send a big one. I am at peace with you and are ready to honor you forever. Send the flaming ball now!
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:32pmnothing like that wonderful Christian love on display! “God please kill million who might yet come to know you because a few people make me uncomfortable.”
And you wonder why unbelievers can’t take faith seriously…
Report Post »BikerMickAG
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:04amThe Anti-American Communist Lawyers Union strikes again!!! It’s their standard, cultural-Marxist, anything goes, incremental destruction of anything that is American society.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:33pmplease explain how this destroys American society in any significant way. Be specific.
Report Post »BlazingInSC
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:56amFreaks! It’s not about gender identity… if this person was in an train accident and they had to match the ID to the body – it might make it difficult if they are looking for a woman and the only body left has a *******. Why can‘t they just get it that it’s not about gender identity – it’s called gender reality!
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:02amOne more freak suing over BS. If he still has male parts, he is a male. Until the operation removing the male parts is done, he is a male. Freaking PC BS is killing this country.
Report Post »DrammyCoke
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:04amYep, you can’t just wish your “frank and beans” away!!
Poor little fellow….. ;)
Report Post »BikerMickAG
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:13amThese cultural-Marxists have no concept of reality. Everything they think & do involves how they think things should be, how they wish things were, how they believe everyone else should believe, in other words forcing what they believe they know is best for everyone else on everyone else. Political correctness is just one of their erosive tools. The question is: How do we now reverse some 40, possibly over 100 years of all of this erosion?
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:10ameven after the operation, he’s still a male. Just a male with a disfigured body.
YEEEEooOOOOooouUuuCHHhh!
I’m just sayin.
Report Post »Joisey
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:19amWe have coddled these mentally sick people too long.
Report Post »Tammy_Beth
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:34pmwhat do you propose instead?
Perhaps we should all kill ourselves so you may be more comfortable as you go about your life.
Report Post »rickbob
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:58amSort of reminds me of Ace Ventura – Pet Detective. Wonder what “she” looks like from the rear when “she” bends over. Gag!
Report Post »Sound The Trumpet In Zion
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:22amI wouldn’t touch that or her/him with a 10 foot pole (or any one elses hand).
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:47amWell if that’s the case they should demand that ifs someone wants to have a drivers license who dresses like batman,a pirate,or a ninja they shouild have the same Constitutional rights …correct?
Report Post »People don‘t get it a man saying he’s a woman is no different than someone saying they’re Darth Vader. It’s a mental defect.
1proudAmerican
Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:11amThis is ridiculous. Suppose a child from one race is adopted by a family of a different race. He feels like he belongs to his family’s race, so would he be allowed to put that on his license? Of course not! It’s not an accurate description. The ACLU is run by a bunch of idiots. Coming soon – gender choices — Male, Female, Other.
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