Activists Call for Boycott on Cake Shop After Owner Refuses to Bake Gay Wedding Cake
- Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:20pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Move over Chick-fil-A. There’s a new business getting heat for its stance on gay marriage. Masterpiece Cake Shop in Lakewood, Colorado, is facing critics who are calling for a boycott after it refused to make a cake for a same-sex couple.
Dave Mullin and Charlie Craig, who went to the shop earlier this month to ask about having a cake made for their wedding, say they dated for two years before getting engaged. After only seconds of entering Masterpiece, they claim that owner Jack Phillips turned them away.
“My first comment was, ‘we’re getting married.’ And he kind of just shut that down immediately,” Craig explained:
According to CBS Denver, the couple left the shop feeling downtrodden, so they went on Facebook to make their voices heard. The response to their story has since sparked protests. The outlet also notes that this isn’t the first time that Phillips has turned gay customers away.
But while his views on the matter may seem discriminatory to some, Phillips stands by them. In an interview with CBS, he noted that he has no problem making birthday, graduation or other event cakes for homosexuals, but that wedding cakes are a different story.
“If gays come in and want to order birthday cakes or any cakes for any occasion, graduations, or whatever, I have no prejudice against that whatsoever, he said. “It’s just the wedding cake, not the people, not their lifestyle.”
This past weekend, protesters started lining up outside of the establishment in an attempt to convince Phillips to reverse course. But — he’s not planning on changing his mind.
“If it came to that point, then we‘d close down the bakery before we’d compromise our beliefs,” Phillips proclaimed. “And so that may be what it comes to, but we’ll have to see.”
This story comes following the case of Victoria Childress, a baker from Des Moines, Iowa, who, earlier this year, refused to sell a cake to a lesbian couple. That incident, too, sparked outrage.
(H/T: CBS Denver)
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Comments (331)
Glock31
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:51pmthis is what ignorant liberals do, they cry, whine, protest, and boycott. this is a small business, the owner can refuse service to ANYONE for ANY reason. but since these men left pouting with their feelings hurt they are going to try and damage this mans small business. thats what children do. an adult would leave and go find another business who WOULD bake a cake for them. but nooooo, these guys are going to waste a small portion of their lives trying to destroy this guys business. way to go homosexuals. and you wonder why the majority of the country considers you offensive and why you are still the butt of many jokes. (no pun intended). homosexuals want everyone in this country to recognize their lifestyle. personally i’m fine with your lifestyle, even though i don’t agree with it. thats part of what makes this country great, as originally founded. in other words i disagree with homosexuals, but i don‘t make a big deal out of it because it’s NONE of my business what 2 other people do as long as it doesn’t infringe on MY liberties and freedom. what these homosexuals are doing is Un-American, because even though this guy refuses to bake them a freakin‘ wedding cake they can’t just let it go, and accept the fact. nope, now they are infringing on his liberties and rights. liberals=hypocrites
Report Post »PapaJohannesPatriot
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:51pmSo the bakery owner lost one sale. He’s probably gotten enough free publicity from the media, kept his honor, and made plenty of extra “dough.”
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:17pmI see this type of behavior only getting worse ..As these militant Hom0sexuals will provoke these confrontations,
Over just simply going to some other establishment that caters to their perverted lifestyle..
If WE are so full of hate like they claim we are…
Why would they buy a cake from one of us that doesn’t approve of their lifestyle in the first place.. if not to further their agenda.
What other reason is there, but to force a perverted lifestyle on people that don’t believe hom0sexuality and ‘Holy Matrimony’ go together.
Any other time we are filled with hate and we are intolerant..
But when it comes to making a ‘wedding’ cake ..
WE can be TRUSTED…!……????
Always an agenda …ALWAYS..!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:49pm@Sawbuck
Wait, so these guys wanted to buy a cake from a guy who was known to not like homosexuality…..and that’s a bad thing to you?
Maybe they can be homosexuals, and understand that people don’t like their lifestyle, but also didn’t think that the person would actually discriminate them by refusing service for their cake.
It seems to me like you want it both ways.
You can say, “why would they want to go there if they know the guy disapproves?”
Report Post »while also wanting to say, “oh so they’re going to boycott shopping there because the guy disapproves? How tolerant”
mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:00pmI own an accounting firm and am a devout Christian, a while back a local strip club asked me to do their payroll. I said no thank you. They took their business elsewhere. Should I be boycotted because I chose not to do business with the sex industry? Target refuses to allow “Toys for Tots” to collect at their stores, because they are against the American Millitary. People have a right to their beliefs and a right to exersise their convictions based on them. You can choose then to support that business or not, based on your convictions.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:03pm@ moderation
Report Post »Lifestyle is a choice. It is not bigotry to disagree with someone elses choice. I disagree with abortion. I would not do business with an abortion clinic. Is that bigotry as well? Is bigotry, as defined by you, having an opinion you disagree with? I think that’s bigotry.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:21pmI‘m sorry but you can’t make a factual statement about homosexuality without facts to back it up.
Secondly, that’s not what is happening here.
The equivalent thing would be is
Would you refuse your services to someone who you know got an abortion?
If yes, that is a different argument, but for your comparison be legitimate, that would have to be the scenario.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:45pmNice try Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST..however..it’s a private business (even though they didn’t make that happen) they can refuse service to anyone within the statutes of the law in that state. But once again, the homsexuals that demand so much tolerance prove to be intolerent themselves. Rather than go to a business that will accomodate them…they mobilize a mob against the bakery.
Report Post »Apparently if one chooses not to buy into the delusion of homosexual marriage one is to be beaten into complying or into oblivion. Individual choice is not an option.
Get better material you drooling idiot.
mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:48pm@ Moderation
Report Post »Prove that it is not a choice.
mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:51pmI refused to do business with a strip club. Refused my services to them. Is that bigotry? If an abortion clinic or an abortion activist asked me to provide services for them (I do accounting), I would refuse. Is that bigoted? People have a right to their religious beliefs and the gays would get farther if they stopped trying to force their lifestyle on those who disagree with it. Our church was refused use of a venue by a liberal property owner, we took our event elsewhere. That is how freedom works.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:51pmModeration is (unwilling to take a stand):
Report Post »Your logic is wrong. The abortion cake would have to be touting abortions…perhaps a doctor killing an almost born baby on top of the cake!
Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:52pmLet them keep doing this, eventually, people will turn on gay owned businesses that rely on straight people to keep their bakeries open….idiots, they never think this out. Don’t forget, Chick Fil a on Wednesday! I am buying for my whole office! I will call the order in though, several companies are doing the same.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:55pmI don’t agree with Gay marriage ,but as a businessman, I don’t turn away work based on someones sexual orientation
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:58pmYou want a fact? There is NO biological, physiological difference between gays and straights. There are gays in every race, sex there is meaning it is a preference. As to what caused that preference, I don’t know nor do I care. It’s gays that want the special rights, I believe the burden of proof is on THEM!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:58pmI agree SNAKE OIL..eventually this will backfire on them (as it always does on lefties).
Report Post »Eventually people will say “just to go to business that will serve you and leave these people alone”.
Mobuy
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:03pmModerationisbest: I think you nailed it. You have logic and are not here for the echo chamber. Therefore, be prepared for the haters.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:08pm@MTCOUNTRYGRL
I‘m sorry but you’re the one making the factual claim that it is a choice.
If you’re going to make a factual claim, you have to then provide evidence that backs up your claim.
In the real world, you don’t get to make a claim and then expect me to prove it wrong.
This is essentially what you are doing.
There is a guy on trial for murder.
You present your evidence(in which here you provided NO evidence) and then when you see the jury isn’t buying you case, you then say, “well the defense hasn‘t proven that he didn’t commit murder.” By your argument, our system of justice wouldn’t be based around the prosecution making and trying to prove a case, but by the defense having to prove that the defendant didn’t commit the crime.
No, I’m sorry. That’s not how making claims actually work.
If you‘re willing to admit that your claim isn’t a factual one, but “faith” or “belief” then I’m not going to waste my time because frankly I could care less what you “believe.” Just in the future be sure to clarify with a statement like, “I believe homosexuality is a choice.”
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:13pm@MOBUY
“Boo hoo, I can‘t present a logical argument so I’ll just call them all haters.”
Take your hater crap to someone who cares. It’s a crybaby argument.
Report Post »chfields62
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:14pmlast time I checked this is a free market enterprise country. You can refuse to do business with anyone for any or even no reason. If you don’t like it, your welcome to boycott or just not do business with them.
As someone else mentioned, Target is anti Military and being my son is in the Army and I highly respect the military, I refuse to do business with Target. I have quit using Google and Amazon for the stance on gay marriage as well. I will not do business with anyone who is Pro gay marriage or Anti military and that is my GOD given right.
Homosexuality is a strictly human lifestyle choice, it is NOT NATURAL, no matter how loud you scream or protest it does not change the fact that it goes against nature. If you want to live together or get a civil union, thats fine, knock yourself out, but your are not going to desecrate the sanctity of marriage with your “lifestyle” choices.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:15pmMOBUY..“logic”..really champ? So when MODERATIONISBEST invokes the constitution in his defense of homosexual marriage while choosing to ignore the fact that 37 states have exercised their rights under the constitution to amend their own constitutions and delineate marriage as between a man and woman..MODDIE is being “logical” to you?
Report Post »Perhaps you meant to say “duplicitous” or “ignorant” or “misleading”?
AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:18pmOrwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST-So homosexuality isn’t a state of mind? It isn’t a psychological state?
Report Post »Please provide to me the genetic pointer to homosexuality. Show me the “homosexual gene” that predetermines a child will be born homosexual.
I won’t be holding my breath.
Listen_then_think
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:22pmGOOD for the bakery shop! I hope everyone who is not gay will pile in there and give them extra business. Do not cave in like obozo to the homosexuals. No matter how much they scream, cry and tantrum like spoiled brats who don’t get everything they want, do not cave in to their satanistic demands to try to make sin seem fine.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:26pm@CHFIELDS62
There are other animals who exhibit homosexuality behavior and tendencies.
Also, are you now claiming that humans aren’t a part of nature?
Give me a break, seriously.
Try a legitimate argument please.
Report Post »JQuentinEvermann
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:27pmWhat is a choice in this matter is the choice of the gay community to be intolerant of the Christian religion and those who follow it…also of Muslims. We live in a time when bigotry and hatred, intolerance and ignorance are all perpetuated through the “ideal” of progressive beliefs. These people are simply refusing to accept a business based on the religion of its workers.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:40pmSome day, over the rainbow, there will be a day when you will submit to a beliefs evaluation to see if you are fit to live in the same society these people are creating. Don’t underestimate this issue to be some minor thing that you can just ignore. This is one of the smallest segments in the whole of the nation but it can cause such a ruckus all the way to the highest office of the land. Soon enough, your beliefs on certain topics will have you barred from doing business, all this for what is merely on your mind. You don’t even have to hurt anyone with your beliefs. Turning them away left them down trodden? I thought gays were stronger than this. Go down to the next store and have someone who is gay and make one for ya. We don’t have to believe in your lifestyle to get along with you, we just will not submit our beliefs either.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:42pm@JQUENTINEVERMANN
HAHAHAH, joke post right?
@Aveng
Report Post »Please AVENG, learn to read. You people are the one making the claim. If you’re going to make a claim, provide evidence. Don’t ask me to provide counter evidence until you provide evidence. I would be here forever if I tried to counter everyone of your baseless claims with no evidence.
AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:44pmOrwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST. You do realise there‘s a distinction between homosexual behaviour and actual homosexuality dont’ you?
Report Post »NO WHERE in nature does strict homosexuality exist except in the human species.
Bonoboapes for instance will mount each other in what appears to be homosexual behaviour but it is infact the way they settle disputes. Once the dispute is over, they mate male to female. ‘
Male dogs will mount each other not as homosexuals but to show dominance.
Even those “penguins” homosexuals love to tout can be made to seperate and take on female mates.
Only in the human species does strict homosexuality take place. It is a psychological state. There is no genetic pointer to homosexuality..NONE! This is why the umbrella “LGBT” is used because they’re all variations of sexually aberrant states of mind in the human species where the normal male to female coupling instinct is inhibited .
Stop insulting my intelligence by invoking what has been debunked by far better minds than yours.
kaydeebeau
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:45pm“LORD, there is no one like you to help the powerless against the mighty. Help us, O LORD our God, for we rely on you, and in your name we have come against this vast army. O LORD, you are our God; do not let man prevail against you.” 2 Chron. 14:11
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:53pmNo MODERATIONISBEST you idiot..I didn’t ask for “counter evidence” I”m asking you for the evidence you and your allies should be providing already. The whole “born this way” meme ring a bell?
Report Post »And that’s what I expected Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST. You can‘t provide the genetic pointer to homosexuality because there isn’t one. It doesn’t exist. No one can predict that a child will grow up to be homosexual because there’s no genentic pointer to homosexuality. It’s a psychological state.
Homosexuality was taken off the APA list of psychological disorders not because the clinical research demanded it, but that liberal lobby groups demanded it.
Your flaccid deflections don’t impress me champ. Your juvenile “I’d be here forever” buffoonery is my evidence that you have nothing to counter with.
You’d be forever alright..because that’s how long it will take you to provide evidence of the genetic pointer to homosexuality.
Stop insulting my intelligence with your deflections you idiot.
Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:56pmChristians should be boycotting homosexual business’. Most would go under with a 90% boycott support. May be time to strike back.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:02pm@ MOD…I’ve been reading the comments in this thread and I think many assertions have been made on both sides with little to no logical support or evidence. Let’s take for instance the claim that homosexuality is not natural. Homosexuality (in a sense), has in fact been observed in nature. However, there are 2 very important clarifications that must occur first. The first is that whether Bonobos or other animals it is simply a “mounting of” (please forgive my graphic imagery) not actual copulation. The other point is that even if it could be demonstarted in an animal it is not logical to argue for or against this behavior as normal or not in humans because animals do many things we consider abnormal for human nature such as eat their own young, or inbreed, etc…
Secondly, purely thinking along Mendalian genetics, if genetics determines sexual orientation, then it should be manifested when studying twins who share the exact same genetic information (monozygotic twins). However, that isn’t the case. Consider this…(Opposite sex twins and adolescents same-sex attraction” by Peter Bearman and Hannah Bruckner, Institute for Social and Economic Research and Policy,) found that there is no evidence for strong genetic influence on same-sex preference in their sample. If same-sex romantic attraction has a genetic component, it is massively overwhelmed by other factors. Thank you….
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:12pmAK, you must celebrate and support gayness above all other things in Obamaworld.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:19pmGONZO..I know…homosexuals must be coddled, adored and elevated above all human beings. They’re the best of us apparently.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:27pm@AVENGERK
You do realize that having sex is part of homosexual behavior right?
You do realize that humans are a part of nature right?
Also, how can you say that God created us in his image, thus we are different from animals…..and then claim that because other animals don’t have homosexual intercourse(which is a lie) that it isn’t natural?
You can’t claim that we are both special and different then other animals, and then use that difference to say that something we do is wrong.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:37pmSLEAZHIPPOS…you do know that homosexual behaviour and actual homosexuality are two different things?
Report Post »I mentioned Bonobos because males will mount each other but it’s not for mating..it’s for dispute resolution. They mate with females only. Only in the human species does strict homosexuality take place whereby members of a sex choose a partner of the same sex to couple with to the outright exclusion of the opposite sex. It’s a psychological state. Am I saying it can be “cured”? Not necessarily…but that doesn‘t mean it’s not a psychological state.
But homosexual advocates will have you believe that homosexuals are predispostioned to be homosexuals. That they’re “born this way”. Yet..there’s no genetic evidence to support it..none.
acidovorax
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:42pmWhat is all the whining about the boycott against this bakery? The owner has the right to refuse the work on principle and consumers have a right to boycott his business on principle. Isn’t this EXACTLY what conservatives advocate against organizations that are pro-gay marriage, like Google and Kraft Foods? Or is it only OK when conservatives do it?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:51pmYou really are an idiot Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST and you’ve shown it with this last exhibition of flatulence of yours.
What looks like homosexual behaviour in the natural world and actual homosexuality, as is manifested in human beings, are two different things.
What appears to be homosexual behaviour in the animal world is not akin to human homosexuality. Is this just too complicated for you champ? Is the bright liberal just too dimwitted to grasp the distinction?
When male bonobos mount each other it‘s not because they’re attracted to each other to mate with..but that’s how they settle disputes among themselves. Does this sound like human homosexuality to you idiot?
When males dogs mount each other are they trying to mate? No..they’re showing dominance beteem each other.
Is this akin human homosexuality to you? Really? So your “gay” buddies mount each other to show who’s the strongest and most fertile male of the pack for the females to mate with and for the first dibs at the food?
They’re not mounting each because they want to mate and couple the way human homosexuals do. These animals are not homosexuals they’re merely acting on instincts of dominance and order in their species. Is this just too complicated for you champ?
You’re an imbecile. Stop posting your buffoonery and try to retain what little dignity you have left.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:54pm@AVENGERK
Again, you didn’t provide any evidence to anything. Same old same old.
To say that a “gay gene” hasn‘t been found yet doesn’t mean that one couldn’t be found. You could read any number of articles on a potential gay gene.
Besides, let’s not kid ourselves here and say that any such finding would then change your mind on the argument. You don’t base your view point on homosexuality off of science, you base it off of faith. There is NOTHING that would ever convince you that homosexuality is okay, just like there is nothing that would change my Grandmas mind when she says, “I would disown my daughter if she married a black man. White people should be with people, black people should be with black people. It’s unnatural when they mix.”
When I merely said to my Grandma, ‘well you can’t help who you love.” and she responded with, “oh please don‘t tell me you’re going to bring a black girl here one day.”
Personally for me, I don’t know what day I chose to be straight, I’ve always been attracted to women.
If you want to argue that homosexuality isn’t a choice, but choosing to engage in the activity is, that’s fine. That’s another argument. I think it’s a faulty one and cruel, but it’s an argument that could be made.
I won’t get into whether or not homosexuality itself is a choice because there will be no evidence now or in the future that would convince you otherwise. At least admit that much.
Report Post »GreatDayITM
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:06pmA wedding cake with 2 men standing on top of it holding hands. LoL. What a joke.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:12pm@AVENGER…..I have not even read your post my friend and I think it is obvious from my post that I was expositing the difference between “mounting behavior” and copulation. You essentially just explained what I posted in my comment so you are essentially preaching to the choir. Have a good day.
Report Post »acidovorax
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:13pm“Orwelliany named MODERATIONISBEST”
From experience, when I see someone continuously labels his opponents in such a manner, they typically present the most idiotic and unsupported arguments.
AVENG strives to keep this tradition alive.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:14pmYou really are a cretin Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST…seriously.
I gave you the opportunity to stop and retain some dignity but you double downed on your stupidity instead.
My criticism of homosexuality is founded in the facts not in religion. Once again..as I’ve pointed out repeatedly..in typical liberal fashion..you try to set the discussion with conjecture and misdirection.
When over 55% of new cases of HIV infections in this country are attributed to homosexuals who comprise less than 2% of the population..an over representation of 2750%…what more convincing does any sane mind need to recognize the dangers of homosexual sex? They are counter to the well being of the human species? We as a species are not designed to be homosexual. Homosexuality is a deadend for the species. Not only can we not procreate as strict homosexuals..but it literally kills us.
Stop insulting my intelligence with your appeals to emotions and your attempts to project guilt on me you cretinous pustule.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:28pmACIDREFLUX…rather than offer flatulence you should ask why I call him Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST.
Report Post »There’s nothing moderate about the lefty imbecile. He’s as partisan and one sided as any liberal hack comes. He attacks conservative and christian values with zeal. Never..does he attack Obama or liberal causes.
Moderate much champ?
AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:36pmACIDREFLUX..you do understand the difference boycott and an organized protest outside the store right champ? There’s a good lefty shill.
Report Post »BeeDee
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:55pm@ModerationIsBest
Report Post »That is not an accurate comparison. If you sold rubber gloves, forceps, and other medical equipment, and someone whom you knew preformed abortions wanted to buy your supplies, you could refuse to serve them. If you owned a bar, you can refuse service to anyone who appears drunk. I suppose that is another example of bigotry.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 8:17pm@AVENGERK
“He’s as partisan and one sided as any liberal hack comes. He attacks conservative and christian values with zeal. Never..does he attack Obama or liberal causes.
Oh my goodness. False, False, False, False False!
I am a fiscal conservative while I’m more liberal when it comes to social issues. I have always made that clear.
Why do you see me mainly on religious or social issue posts? Because I agree with a lot of you when it comes to fiscal matters. Ironically when i do post on things that are based on the economy, I usually get accused of being called a “PaulBot” I don‘t see how Republicans can say that Obama is a social and Mitt Romney isn’t, when to me they look very similar in their policy and record(which a lot of you might agree with me, which is why you voted for people like Santorum or at the most didn’t want Romney).
I may not completely reject man made global warming like a lot of people do here, but I”m also not sold that cap-n-trade system is the way to curb it.
I’m pro-choice but up to a certain point. I personally wouldn‘t choose an abortion but I’m not going to stifle someone else’s ability to choose. I am also not sure a top down government solution would help. We see how horrible the “war on poverty, war on drugs, war on terrorism” are going.
I attack Christianity, but I also defend Christianity. I was one of the few people who posted on the women’s conference in restoring honor and was upset at how few
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 8:29pmWhen I first came to the Blaze, I came here because I was a fan of Beck. I watched his show on CNN and on Fox. I thought I could come here and talk to people who I might agree with on some things and disagree on others.
What I found when I came here was anytime I tried to talk about gay marriage or what I viewed as religion(Christianity mainly in this country) trying to infringe on other people’s freedom I was automatically labeled a socialist, marxists, big spending liberal.
I wasn’t met Christians that I know personally in real life(and care very deeply for) but I was met with Christians who call homosexuality a mental disorder. I was met by constant racism with no shame. I was met by supposed Christians who relished in bad things happening to people they disagreed with. Mainly, the viewers of Glenn Beck that I thought I was once part of, wasn’t what I came across here.
I have never been happy in the injury or death of anybody on this website.
I have defended Christianity and other religions on here. I have always said that I won’t support their ability to pass legislation based on their belief.
I have attacked Christianity on here before. I have said mean and hurtful things, but I also think that what I said was true.
I have Christians friends in real life(one’s who children I would die for if it came to that). In fact, most of my friends are religious.
You can choose to accept that or not, I don’t care. Just stop saying flat out lies.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 8:39pmWhere were you all in the article that featured the women who spoke at the restoring love women’s conference?
That place was completely empty of posts.
You and everyone else here had a perfect chance to go and support strong, intelligent women and hear their discussions on their faith, their God and where they would like to see their country go.
Last I checked, there were only like 16 posts, and I had 4-5 of them
What would be your reasoning as to why, on a story about religious women, speaking at a conference that is in part with Glenn Beck’s big event; that there would be so few posts by a site that is comprised mainly of religious people?
Could it be because you have no interest in hearing the opinion of a woman? Especially when it comes to their viewpoints on their God?
For how much you people say you need to stick together, and support each other against your opponents, you sure left those women to fend for themselves.
As I made clear in my other posts.
You only need an article about homosexuality to guarantee 100+ posts
You only need an article about atheism to guarantee 100+ posts
You only need an article about a man’s view on God to guarantee 100+ posts
Yet an article about strong, Republican, God believing women and this site can muster only a handful of posts? How saddening.
@ACD
Report Post »I’m glad someone else is sane enough to see this. He can’t get through a post without calling me that. Propaganda much?
ConservativeWithABrain
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 8:46pmIt is within anyone’s right to boycott a business, to suggest otherwise is absurd. It is also within the rights of any business in a state where homosexuals are not a protected class to refuse service to them; however, Colorado is a state in which Homosexuals ARE a protected class.
If you have a problem with the boycott, you are anti-free market. If you have a problem with Colorado declaring homosexuals as a protected class, you are anti-states’ rights. Liberal bastards.
Report Post »Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 8:58pmWe have a right to stand up for our beliefs, whether you support them or not. Until Obama strikes down the Constitution, we still have freedom of speech, freedom of (not from) religion, and the right to defend ourselves.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:05pm1. there is no genetic link to homosexuallity (I can prove genetically, your race, your sex, your parental lineage, they can even prove physical features, but despite desparate research no gay gene) (I would love to see them “find” one because the gays would become pro-life overnight).
2. people leave the “lifestyle
3. Animals that display the “homosexual” behavior has been disproven. I had two male bunnies that tried to hump, put a female in the cage and things changed. It is not a regular occurance in the animal kingdom.
If you were born that way, people would not decide to become gay or decide to become straight. I have known people who have done both. It is a choice, but the public schools and the media have been trying their best to indoctrinate people to believe it is not. Also, on a side note, as a Christian I do not believe that God would make people born into something he calls a sin, but since you are for homosexuallity I doubt you believe in God.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:23pm@ MOD….While we often disagree I have rather enjoyed our discussions and find you to be a fair and courteous poster. I love being challenged in a respectful way as it helps sharpen my responses and causes me to grow in my knowledge. Don’t be bothered by name calling, it is everywhere. I go to many websites from ultra liberal to ultra conservative and it is a constant if you challenge people’s presuppositions. You might even say it is the “sinful” nature of man ha ha. BTW did you say my last post to the Adam and Eve discusison we were engaged in? Thanks ahead…
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:43pm@SLEAZYHIPPOS ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Thank you for your kind words.
I am also not trying to play some victim card, or say that I’ve been an “angel(if I thought those really existed lol)”
I have no problem admitting that I have sometimes said provocative things. I have also said hateful things. I don’t deny that. I have always respected people’s opinions to hold their view points. While I think some of their view points are foolish, I’m not going to try to stop them from having those view points. Where I will disagree and say they are wrong is when they try to pass legislation based around their religious belief.
I also have never made comments that would cheer something bad that has happened to Christians, religious people in general, or people who I may disagree with. That can’t be said about a lot of other people on here.
I read some of your responses on the Adam and Eve thing but I will go and check. I stopped following it because I mainly wanted to get your response to my main question.
I know you won’t accept a woman as a teacher in terms of your faith. I think that’s a bad decision and tends to lean more to my claim that religion demeans women.
I know you disagree and you have your reasons. It is likely just something we won’t agree on.
The name calling doesn’t bother me personally. I just get annoyed at people who constantly aim comments and questions at me, when they have no real interest in having a discussion.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 9:47pmAre you kidding me! You cannot find ONE gay guy who can bake a cake?!
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:09pm@ MOD….Just one quick clarification. I never said I couldn’t learn from a woman. There are some very gifted women and I as well as others could learn a great deal from them. I just don’t believe within the official structure of the church they should have authority over a man to lead or teach in an official position. For example, when Abraham was distressed God told him to listen to his wife Sarah about what to do. He was to learn from her even though he still maintained the authority of leadership. I listen to my wife all the time, she has great discernment and wisdom into situations so in that sense I am learning form her perspective. Thanks and have a good night.
Report Post »Motherofthree
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:30pmAfter reading this article I promptly called the bakery and ordered a cake to be delivered to the local soup kitchen or food pantry. I am from another state but lo-and-behold, while placing my order with the owner I found out he is from the town I live in now, and his bakery is in the town I bought my first house in years ago! He told me he had just hung up with someone else from out of state who wanted to do the same thing. I’m looking forward to seeing the supporters at Chick-fil-A!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:35pm@SLEAZYHIPPOS ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Right but how far does that go?
Would you go to a Bible class taught/lead by a woman? I mean that‘s all that we could possibly be talking about here because you clearly wouldn’t vote for a woman youth pastor or anything like that right?
So the only thing we could possibly be talking about is attending a Bible class that is run/organized/lead by a woman.
I mean at the Evangelical church I use to attend, we never had a woman preach, even if just as a fill in or guest speaker. There was maybe one or two Bible classes throughout the week that was led by a woman, and usually one of those was strictly a woman’s Bible class.
Also, the other class really wasn’t even led by a woman in the sense that she was doing any teaching. More just like a get together to go through a bible passage and discuss it as a group. No real central teaching or preaching came from her.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:59pm@AVENG
Let’s take a quick look at your statement.
” He attacks conservative and christian values with zeal. Never..does he attack Obama or liberal causes.
Moderate much champ?”
Let‘s see what I wrote in the article that focused on the women’s conference of Beck’s Restoring Love. Here is part of what I wrote. Granted, before this comment I said that you have a lot of people on the right who said they will never accept a woman as President or leader of their church, but here is my next paragraph.
“On the left we recently had people questioning whether or not Michelle Bachmann could be President because of her migraine issues. Granted I think Michelle Bachmann is a quack in general, but to question her ability to serve over that is ridiculous. Maybe having a female President with migraine issues would shed some light on how debilitating those can be for women. As a guy who suffers from migraines, i know how much they suck and mine aren’t even that bad pain wise(they mess with my vision more then they do produce pain. They are usually short in duration as well, about 25-30 mins). I can’t imagine suffering from one for hours much less days. I have male friends who think women over exaggerate cramps during their period, and that it couldn’t hurt that much. It seems the female body still carries some stigma.”
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:00pm@ MOD … you are correct I would not be OK with a women holding an official position within the structure of the church as a teacher over men. That does not mean that I cannot learn from a women. The question simply goes back to what the order is meant to represent namely the man is representative symbolically of Jesus (the head of the church) and the woman is symbolically equivalent to the church (fully submissive to Jesus). Thanks and have a good night.
Report Post »Mobuy
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:05pm@SquidVetOhio, Actually, I made two points. One was that Moderation made some good comments, and the other was about haters. Thanks for proving my second point correct.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 11:13pm@AVENG
Granted, I called her a quack but it wasn‘t specifically because she’s a Republican or a Christian. She is constantly making claims with little to no evidence. I also in the same post defended her against erroneous attacks based on her gender and said that maybe her migraine issues might shed some light on the struggles of women.
I have also defended Tim Tebow and saying that he is a stand up guy and a great role model. I have also said that I don‘t think he’s a very good Quarterback and that a lot of Christians only support him because he is a Christian and that they view any negative commentary on Tebow as an attack on his faith and not his playing style. I have said that despite being a great guy, I think a lot of Christians put blinders on when watching him play(because of their shared faith) and how bad of a Quarterback he is(notice I said QB and not athlete). I have provided what i think is reasonable evidence to make that claim.
I have defended religious people’s right to put nativity scenes on their properties. I wouldn’t care if every individual had it on their private property, I think they’re nice/interesting to look at. What I don’t support is their right to put it up on public/government property.
You claim I am not moderate. I would argue that I am moderate, but my moderation comes across as radical because you yourself have a radical agenda. You are the one who creates the great divide, not me.
Report Post »riian68
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:05amThese two homosexuals were being provocative and trying to make a name for themselves. They don’t get it do they? Many people believe homosexual marriage is wrong! Religious people throughout the world believe it to be wrong, morally wrong. In fact, the greater majority of the population of the world still believe it is wrong. Only a few decadent Western countries have enacted legislation to allow the aberration of same-sex marriage, which can never be true marriage. You might not think that but others including this baker do. Why should he be forced to accept a form of marriage that he doesn’t accept? Why should everyone be coerced into having the same beliefs about it? Do you want to live in a police state where everyone is compelled to think alike on pain of extreme censure or worse. This bakery didn’t just lose a customer; he is now being harassed for his beliefs just like the early Christians were persecuted for believing that Jesus was the Lord of all. He’s a courageous man and I admire him for standing up for his convictions and so should you. Voltaire, the deist said, ‘I don’t agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’. We in the West have lost that spirit of allowing others to believe something that is different from what we believe. Tragic really because it’s the sign of a culture in steep decline and headed for 1984!
Report Post »supermansdad
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:03am@MODERATION
Go look up the concordance rates of homosexuality among twins. It‘s so close to nil that it’s laughable. If homosexuality were genetic it would be 100% among identical twins, but it’s not. Therefore it’s nurture not nature. They are not born that way but made that way.
In other words, IT’S A CHOICE AND LIFESTYLE!!!
Report Post »supermansdad
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:14am@Conservativewithoutabrain
“If you have a problem with Colorado declaring homosexuals as a protected class, you are anti-states’ rights. Liberal bastards.”
Once again you show how little Libertarians actually know. States rights do not triumph Individual rights. An individual has a right to practice their religion in all aspects of their life, including their business. If selling a homosexual couple a wedding cake is against your religious beliefs then the state can go fark it self.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:50amBut Colorado voters amended our State Constitution to support the definition of “marriage” as the union of one man and one woman “in the holy estate of matrimony” –as the Us supreme Court in Murphy v. Ramsey and others would have added. Our current “progressive Gov. –who I could NOT vote for after he supported Sodomy on Valentines Day-as a Candidate for the Office …. Our Gov. opposes the Law he is sworn to defend. (Just Like EVERY Democrat I’ve ever hear of.) Point is these two cannot get “married in Colorado” just like them two lesbians who moved form Virginia so they would get married by the Yankee /Reprobate Laws of Vermont.One sinner converted to Christianity and now has had to leave America to protect her daughter. This foofra against Chick-Fil-A and now this Cake shop is just MORE of the Divisive HATE mongering of the enemy.Colorado does Not support fornication and adultery -the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.
Report Post »acidovorax
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:11pmAVENGERK wrote: “ACIDREFLUX..you do understand the difference boycott and an organized protest outside the store right champ? There’s a good lefty shill.”
Gotta love the typical response of the conservatard hack. If you don’t agree with their position then you must be a leftist. Brilliant!!
It seems that you don’t understand the concept of boycotts, numbnutz. Boycotts OFTEN are linked with active protests to encourage others to join in the boycott. And is there something illegal with protesting? Why do you hate the Constitution?
Report Post »VerenaTarrant
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:07pmhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/153775864759527/
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The0bserver
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:49pmDo they do mail orders?
http://masterpiececakes.com
Report Post »joanct
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:32pmI called and they don’t do mail orders (too messy), but with several people calling already wanting to support them, they said they could make cakes for local charities. Their basic cake is $22. Their phone number is 303-763-5754.
This way you can support them and not get chubby (or as in my situation, chubbier).
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:05pmJOANCT, Thank you for the info. They are going to have a weight problem in that town after we’re through, lol!
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:49pmMatthew 13:42 “…..there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” hmmmmmm……..Sounds like the LGBT activists….
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:07pmLet ‘em eat Ding Dongs.
Report Post »Or Jelly Rolls.
Depending.
JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:48pmGood for the Bakery, no compromise. Stand firm in faith. We will not comply! On the plus side, there are alot more believers in God than there are sinners. Stick to their beliefs and God will reward. If I lived there I would go straight down to their bakery, buy as much as I could afford and then offer the items to the protesters for free, just to see how many would accept. Make a great YOUTUBE video.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:01pmActually, we believers in God know we are sinners. One difference is that we don’t go looking for more sin to fall further into. We work with God’s grace to resist the temptation to pile sin upon sin.
Respect for the Lord GOD is just the beginning of wisdom. Beginning…not the end or accomplishment of wisdom.
Regardless of sexual orientation, the Lord GOD tells each of us to live a sexually pure life. To the 97 percent (heterosexuals), He says keep it in marriage. To the 3 percent, remain celibate. Sexual activity is NOT required to live a full and fulfilling life, only required to create the next generation of life.
To Moderation — one fallacy is to see what we call homosexual conduct in other animal species and assume that it’s the same as in our species. Most male animals that “hump” other males to show dominance. In heat females may also exhibit odd behavior until you put a male of the species in the same pasture or pen.
Report Post »BloodSweatandTears
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 1:43pmAfter reading pages of comments, it seems this is just the tip of the actual ice-berg of an agenda driven group. Instead of leaving the bakery quietly, they turn it into a media circus. How does 3% of the population ever think they will gain a high level ‘acceptance’? The odds are in the billions. But the elites support their every effort. Hillary ties money to acquiescence of gay ‘rights,’ and abortion measures overseas.
Ask anyone with a functioning conscience how sin makes them feel -less,—less than right, and yet this group is asking us to go against all traditional morays. They will advocate they see sin everywhere- so what is the problem with a ‘little’ more? The problem is that granted, humans are weak and sin, but they are not requesting you to legalize it.
Using the argument that animals show ‘gay-ness,’ does not strengthen their position, or mean humans should emulate such behaviors. Even if proven, animals ‘doing,” it, in my mind, only solidifies the fact -humans should not repeat the behaviors of -animals.
Blurring the line between humans and animals is also on the elite agenda ‘to-do,’ list.
What is the true end game for all of this? Mental coercion? institutionalized sin? Or simply a pied piper volunteer group who leads the dehumanization mantra for us all?
Report Post »keraz
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:48pmDo you they make donuts and can they ship them? I would love to order some!
Thank you for standing up for what you believe. It‘s sad when liberals can support gay marriage and that’s okay but if conservatives don’t support gay marriage, we’re vilified.
The double standard is alive and well. Wow, that’s sounds like a great name for a doughnut or pastry. Yummy.
Report Post »TurboCat
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 3:56amThe bakery owners are saying: You cannot MAKE me bake a cake I do not want to bake! Let’s see anyone try to “make” them bake it!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:46pm“…we‘d close down the bakery before we’d compromise our beliefs.”
Wonder if left wing lunatics ever think about what happens to all their “free” crap when people that keep the lights on – so to speak – in this country cash in their chips and call it a career?
Yeah, I don’t think so either. The day is slowly arriving and you think Greece is/was bad???
Report Post »ThePhreqGuru
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:17pmYep, they wouldn’t know where to get their next meal.
Report Post »ricckky
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:46pmWEll now–Chick-fil-a serves married Gays–So who is worse you puke libs?
Report Post »Ragnars Repos
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:43pmI wish the Ku Klux Klan never existed for the same reasons I wish conservative hatred of gays didn’t exist.
Muslims also treat each other horribly because their ‘bible’ tells them to.
While I believe this business has the right to refuse to do business with someone, I also believe the public has the right to organize a boycott.
Conservatives are only hurting themselves with this petty BS. With all that is happening in this country it is bizarre that they would waste so much energy and time with such matters.
Of course, this is happening while they are crying about anti-Christian bigotry.
In the long run, this issue will cost them far more than having to suffer two men/women getting married, that is certain.
Report Post »The0bserver
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:50pmThe owner has a right to not do something he finds morally offensive. This country was founded on that principle. Don’t like it, move to France.
Report Post »Ragnars Repos
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:52pmRead much?
Report Post »Glock31
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:53pmconservatives aren’t wasting their time here, the gays are
Report Post »may40
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:59pmGive me a break. If I lived in Colorado I would run down to that bakery and buy me some sweets. Yum. As Nancy Reagan once said “just say no”. The owner has a right to his convictions.
Report Post »MeCpl13
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:00pmWhy does not believing in gay marriage = “hatred of gays” for you?
Report Post »lefty5005
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:02pmI disagree, I believe the left will be the one’s bearing the brunt of the hypocrisy. One side won‘t compromise it’s beliefs, the other side has no beliefs except anything goes.
Report Post »Conservatives support America, are it’s assets by large majority. What are liberals, the liabilities, something for free, anything goes or I will bash you, OWS, ghettos, barrios and trailer parks. When or if conservatism tanks, the country goes with it.
hi
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:07pmIf it is petty, why are the gays making such a big deal about it. ? Just go to a different bakery. Also we don’t hate gays. We love them and want them to know God. The bakery still serves them. They just don’t condone their marriage which is a sin. Why do you want to force your beliefs on us and force us to make a cake?
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:09pmRagnars Repos;
“Read much?”
Apparently more than you, just a different library.
Report Post »Ragnars Repos
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:16pm@MeCpl13
The real question is:
Why does not believing in gay marriage NOT = “hatred of gays” for you?
Just read through the comments here at TheCloset, err…TheHiddenChristianFlamer, uh…I mean TheBlaze, and you should be able to detect the (self)hatred behind them.
Clearly, Conservatives are hateful, especially the Christian ones.
Report Post »jeffile
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:16pmSo, you wouldn’t have a problem with, and this is not only a conservative thing, morally upright people organizing a protest and boycott of those catering to homosexuals?
Report Post »lefty5005
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:17pmBut I assume it’s okay for the New Black Panthers to exist or NAMBLA or other organizations infringing on the rights of others in your opinion.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:18pmI own an accounting firm and am a devout Christian, a while back a local strip club asked me to do their payroll. I said no thank you. They took their business elsewhere. Should I be boycotted because I chose not to do business with the sex industry? Target refuses to allow “Toys for Tots” to collect at their stores, because they are against the American Millitary. People have a right to their beliefs and a right to exersise their convictions based on them. You can choose then to support that business or not, based on your convictions.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:24pmRagnars Repos;
Interesting that you think of closets.
Report Post »willbedone
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:28pmI think the the Master of Rewards, has more in store for them that what few losses they incur
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:31pm@Jeffile
“So, you wouldn’t have a problem with, and this is not only a conservative thing, morally upright people organizing a protest and boycott of those catering to homosexuals?”
While not directed at me, my personal thoughts are that people who want to boycott things have way too much time on their hands. Don‘t care if it’s bakeries or JC Penny, Chick-fil-A or the Muppets. Don’t like their policies? Don’t shop there.
Report Post »Ragnars Repos
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:39pmI don’t have a LEGAL problem with businesses refusing to do business with ANYONE for ANY reason.
I don’t have a LEGAL problem with ANYONE boycotting ANY BUSINESS for ANY reason.
I have a problem with Conservatives, the self-proclaimed ‘defenders of the constitution/individual rights’, and their blatant bigotry and hypocrisy.
I also believe that it is a colossal waste of time, and it greatly diminishes their intellectual ‘righteousness’ on other vastly more important issues.
How does one argue for individual rights AND AGAINST individual rights at the same time? They become a Conservative.
How does one argue against socialism (Obamacare) AND FOR socialism (Medicare, SS, etc.) at the same time? They become a Conservative, that’s how.
Hatred of homosexuals is a losing game, and it will become an increasingly costly indulgence.
Future Christians/Conservatives will be sorry that you behaved this way, mark my words.
Report Post »kpeters59
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:53pm#Rag
The Bible calls for them to be shunned.
What part of that don’t you get?
Report Post »BIGGS
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:55pmSorry but you are incorrect. His business will do much better. My staff has done well in the last week eatting at Chick-fiil-A. And I’m sure plenty of my conservative friends will drop in and purchase twice as many baked goods then they need.
Report Post »BOTTOM LINE >>>>> Don‘t push your agenda on me and we’ll be fine. I have many gay friends and business owners that I deal with and they know my view on this and are fine with it
DimmuBorgir
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:59pm@ RAGNAR
Maybe you missed the part where the LIBERALS are starting all this.
Conservatives aren’t going out searching for companies to boycott, it’s the liberals.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:15pmI don’t think this has anything to do with the bible and everything to do with common sense.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:53pmYeah REPO..I do read much. Think much?
I just saw you bleat some lefty non-sense about understanding the private business’ rights to serve who they choose and then some idiocy about a “right” to protest the business (in the depths of your ignorance you put “boycott” when infact a protest was organized outside the business..not a boycott of their business).
Report Post »A boycott of course wouldn‘t be effective because it’s silent.. they couldn’t hurt the business by simply moving on and not using the business. No you lefties have to bludgeon the business with mobs and protests because the owner doesn’t subscribe to the delusion of homosexual “normalcy”.
See that’s the difference between conservatives and lefties. Conservatives exercise their choice to use another business if they don’t like anything about the business..while lefties will seek to destroy the business that disagrees with them.
So spare me your piety you idiot. Your intolerance and prejudice sticks out like a pimple on these boards.
angelcat
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:54pmPlease try to get this through your head. Just because a person thinks the homosexual ACT is morally wrong, that does NOT mean that the person hates homosexuals. I know homosexuals personally and like them as people, yet I see the act of homosexuality as sinful and abhorrent. I don’t want homosexuals harmed in any way. I don’t want them denied housing or jobs, but I don’t want them to call themselves married when what they have is not a marriage at all. That doesn’t make me or others who feel that way haters.
Report Post »TheBurningTruth
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:07pmI wish the Progressive Liberals didn’t absolutely HATE everything they disagree with. I wish that they didn’t try to DESTROY anyone with a different behavior. I which that they didn’t LIE and brand people RACISTS for wanting to be fiscally responsible. I wish they weren‘t trying to destroy this country as virtually everly country out there is more socialistic and they have plenty of places to go where many of us don’t.
I don’t care about gays, but I’m damned tired of their “in your face” approach where they rub it into you all the time. They all have to “come out” as if most of us really care, but I suppose that’s how they feel powerful.
Report Post »acidovorax
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:48pmDIMMU wrote: “Conservatives aren’t going out searching for companies to boycott, it’s the liberals.”
Really? Then explain the calls on this forum to boycott Google and Kraft Foods for their position on gay marriage?
Report Post »supermansdad
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:22am@Ragnars Repos
What part of LOVE THE SINNER BUT HATE THE SIN don’t you get?
Report Post »You also probably believe that Conservatives are in the Klan? Once again wrong. Most are Democrats and other liberals.
shoulda coulda woulda
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:41pmI am tired of people inviting me into their sexual orientation (dont care) . If they won‘t serve your ’don’t care”. Go some place else. (dont care). To sum it up I DONT CARE
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:31pmI don’t know what you mean by “inviting me into their sexual orientation.” None of the gay people I know come up to me every day and tell me what they did in bed last night. All I know is that they’re gay. I’ll bet all of your acquaintances know that you’re straight whether they care or not. I don’t get why you see that as any different.
Report Post »Philip Ross
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:40pmPenis shaped cake with two candles on top so each one can blow out a his own candle, preventing a argumentive homeymoon.Really? This is where we are going,really.
Report Post »Amadeus52
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:40pmMaybe as a compromise he could have baked a fruitcake.
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:40pmI will be ordering a cake today.
Report Post »shorelineliz
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:38pmWay to go. I don’t bake wedding cakes for gay people either. Or people who support gay marriage. I am a biblical traditionalists. I wouldn’t even bake a cake for my pro gay marriage nephew. Family or not. I stand by the Bible. Good for this bakery for taking a biblical stance. I am also buying Chick-Fil-A chicken. If you want gay marriage in my book you can go to the Episcopal Church. Not my church. Or the state. or somewhere else. Not in my church. We uphold the biblical definition of marriage. One man, one woman, two flesh, becoming one. End of story.
Report Post »RossPoldark
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:52pmBravo!!!! Bravo!!!
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:37pm…
Report Post »If you live near Masterpiece Cake Shop in Lakewood, Colorado, order a cake, to make up for any boycott.
HKS
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:46pmBetter still, get some nationwide business and blow it out of the water. There is a lot of folks that would support principals and what the heck, you can ship anything anywhere now days and we do. Just thank them gays for the free advertising.
Report Post »Uechi
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:37pmAs a private business he has the right to refuse to take such an order, I suggest the happy couple find a bakery that caters to Gays and shut the Hell up.
Report Post »acidovorax
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:56pmConsumers also have freedom of speech and the right to refuse to do business with this bakery, so they are not required to STHU.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:30pmLOL…yes of course ACIDREFLUX..“as consumers”. As consumers they should simply go to another store..but that’s not good enough for militant lefties..no..they have to organize protests and attempt to inimidate the business into submission.
Report Post »Nice try idiot.
Galts_Gulch
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:36pmWow!
Report Post »Thank God Chick-fil-A is closed on Sundays; I’d been gorging myself there all week.
Crud… Now I have to go buy cake.
CatB
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:45pmDon’t forget Wednesday August 1st is Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day ;-) Don’t miss Wednesday!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/266281243473841/
The bake shop needs to set up a mail order website .. so people can support them!
Report Post »Ragnars Repos
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:05pmI like your avatar.
A gay-hating, Conservative ‘Objectivist’?
Because it’s rational to hate gays because a man wrote a book in which he states that your god hates homosexuals.
You do understand that Objectivism and Conservatism are like oil and water, right?
For the record, Ayn Rand (author of Atlas Shrugged) was anything but a fan of the draft-loving, cult-member Conservative.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:13pmRagnars Repos;
Did you read Galts’ comment?
Report Post »jeffile
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:25pmRagnar Repos
Report Post »God does not hate gays any more than he hates pedophiles, murderers, pimps or thieves. I detest it when prejudiced or ignorant people create their own view of christianity and God. God hates the sin, regardless of the level of such sin, hor the person. There are no levels of sin only sin and we are all guilty of such
MODEL82A1
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:35pmI predict this will be the best thing that’s ever happened to this business. When a small bunch of boisterous, bigoted protesters get their word out, Those of us on the Right will go out of our way to patronize the business. Get ready to expand, Masterpiece Cake Shop!
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:34pmWhy dont these whining activists just their mouths and bake the bake themselves.
Report Post »Veteran Patriot
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:23pmThis is about enforcement of of the gay agenda. In their narrow little minds we are not allowed to disagree with them, that is bigoted. The article said that this shop had turned away gay couples in past when they wanted wedding cakes. I have no doubt that the gay community was well acquainted with this practice. So, this is nothing more than a set-up by this gay couple to start another “conservatives hate gays” firestorm.
Report Post »I applaud this shop for standing up for their principles. If that makes me a bigot, Oh well, I have been called much worse for no good reason. This is worth it. Oh, by the way, I’m an infidel too…
hcartexas
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:32pmDoubtful that the bakery will miss out on the “Homosexual wedding cake business”. Good for him.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:31pmWow, that must be one heck of a cake maker, if that is the only cake you want for your wedding. No one else makes cake this good, so much so that you won’t just take your business elsewhere. No, you have to force him to BAKE YOU A CAKE. At that point, I don’t know, maybe I would say, “Sure, I will bake you a cake, a special cake. You will really like it, gee, I hope I don’t use too much Salt”.
What ever happened to “The right to refuse service to anyone”?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:43pmThe guy has the right to refuse service as he did.
Also the people have the right to protest this man.
Besides, what happened to the typical Blaze defense of Chick-fil-A
All I saw was people saying, “well it’s not like Chick-fil-a is discriminating against homosexuals and not allowing them to eat there. It’s just his belief.”
Now this guy is actively discriminating and refusing service because of their sexual orientation and now I see, “well what about the right to refuse service?”
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:53pmThere is a difference when two mayors say they won’t allow a business to operate in a city because of beliefs and someone refusing someone else service due to their beliefs. If you don’t see the difference, I don’t know how else to explain it, one is an individual choice, the other is Government trying to pick and choose who can do business. There are businesses I don‘t like and won’t go to, so, I choose with my pocket book.
Had Chick Fil A this weekend too, love them waffle fries.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:16pm@DARMOK AND JALAD AT TANAGRA
The only problem is, in your original comment you didn’t talk about the mayors trying to ban Chick-fil-A
Of course their actions are wrong and are likely illegal which is why one has already backed off of his claims.
Report Post »ScoobyCheese
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:27pmModerationIsBest,
Report Post »First, this bakery owner does not refuse service to homosexuals. He even said so. They are free to buy graduation cakes, birthday cakes, etc. But what he will not do is make a gay wedding cake – for anyone. It is not about the people, it is about the institution of marriage.
If Chick-fil-A (which has not refused to sell anything to anyone) was asked to make a hamburger for a customer, they would refuse… …because they don’t make hamburgers. This guy doesn’t make “gay wedding” cakes. You cannot force him to sell something he does not want to sell.
By the way, Chick-fil-A has never issued a statement about gay marriage. In fact, the president, while stating his own personal opinion (not company policy), never even mentioned homosexuality. People who say “well it’s not like Chick-fil-a is discriminating against homosexuals and not allowing them to eat there. It’s just his belief,” are not saying they don’t have a right to refuse service. They are clarifying that they HAVE NOT DONE IT.
This is nothing like refusing service to black people n the 60′s like you said in another post. Again, homosexuals can buy anything on the menu at this bakery or Chick-fil-A. “Gay wedding” cakes are just not on the menu because this guy does not believe in it (like the majority of the country).
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:29pmYou are right, but you brought up the chick Fil A, I was just saying if I went in to a food preperation place and they said, “No, I don’t think I will support you or sell you a cake”. I don’t think I would force them to do anything, let alone trust food I force them to make. I simply wouldn’t buy anything from them. Plus, the fact is the Gay agenda is getting very militant on pushing THEIR beliefs on everyone. This has nothing to do with civil rights. If a black man walks into my store, I can tell by the color of his skin. If a gay man comes into my store, I would have no idea unless he states he is Gay. And really, that is nothing that needs to be shared with anyone. But, just like when I was living in Sacramento, you go to the Bay area and the Gays shove it in your face and tell you “Accept it, this is who we are. Look at us act like freaks and accept it”. What I have never got is if me and my wife get half naked and make out in the street, we very well may get arrested, but with the Gay agenda, they want everyone to accept that as a lifestyle. No before you say how Homophobic I am, I am not, I have relatives who are gay and I love them dearly. But they also don’t flaunt it in peoples face, and they keep their lifestyle to themselves.
I guess my point is being gay is a sexual choice. I don’t need to know what you do in your bedroom, just like you don’t need to know what goes on in mine.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:01pmI look at homosexual marriage in a Constitutional vs Unconstitutional ground. I don‘t think you have the constitutional authority to say who can and can’t get married.
I don’t look at allowing gay marriage as a “right” or “wrong” choice for society. Not to mention, I thought you conservatives hated Government interference on freedom. I thought you supposedly hated government sanctioning “social experiments.”
If marriage is purely a religious ceremony, then it has no place being sanctioned and endorsed by government. They should revoke all marriage licenses and issue every couple that wants to get a civil union, a certificate.
If a religious couple wants to get married in their church, that’s fine, but it will be between them, their God and their church, it has no recognition outside of that church. Churches then could refuse to marry people at their discretion. Happy? Or do you want government endorsement of your marriage?
Those are parades that are sanctioned by the State.
Do you look at an Irish parade and say, “omg, stop trying to push your lifestyle on me.” It is equally foolish for you to say that they’re pushing their lifestyle on you, as it would be for them to say that you’re pushing your “straight” lifestyle on them.
I think parades celebrating who you are in general are stupid. Then again, it‘s easy for me to think they’re stupid because as a white, straight male I haven’t really faced much opposition to who I am.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:17pm@SCOOBYCHEESE
That is the most idiotic argument I’ve ever heard.
Unless I missed it, the guys didn’t walk in and ask for a “gay wedding cake.” Therefore they didn’t ask for something that “wasn’t on the menu” as you suggested.
They asked for a “cake” because “they’re getting married.”
Also, how can you not “believe” in a cake?
It’s not like a wedding cake for a gay couple contains different ingredients then a cake would for a straight couple.
You can’t argue that a “gay wedding cake doesn’t exist” There’s no difference!
You people are a riot.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:47pm@ModerationIsBest
I agree with you on the marriage issue, I believe what has been presented is the option for a “Civil Union” for legal means. Although Marriage is a religious ceremony, and is not allowed per the Bible, Islam, or Judaism. So if two people want a civil union, I believe they can do that in most states. It comes to what is acceptable to society. “Marriage” is between a man and a woman. Nothing states that two people can’t go to a judge and have a civil union. The debate has gone from two people being legally joined to “Hey, we want to get married in a church, so change all your beliefs and traditions.”
There again, it’s not a constitutional issue, it is more of a societal issue.
I don’t think there is an absolute right/wrong on this, just my opinion, which seems to be in the majority of Americans.
And if the majority doesn‘t want to change it’s definition of Traditional Marriage, that’s life. If it is so right, why has every state voted it down, only to have the courts overturn the peoples decision. So back to your constitutional question, unless you are passing a law that directly is in conflict with the constitution, it is not a constitutional question, but a State’s Rights question.
Honestly, states have the right to govern their state as they see fit, that is why I don’t live in California, New York, New Jersey, or most of the NW states. And if Colorado gets any worse, I may be moving to Texas or Wyoming. Where at least I w
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:56pmYes…of course Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST..you look at it through a constitutional prism…of course you do. Oh how noble and learned of you champ. While you ignore the fact that 37 states have amended THEIR CONSTITUTIONS to NOT recognize homosexual marriage..a right afforded those states IN THE CONSTITUTION.
Report Post »Get better material you idiot.
AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:29pmSee once again Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST..your stupidity is showing.
Report Post »In the case of Chick Fil A..conservatives made the choice to buy from the business after certain liberal officials attempted to strongarm the business for its‘ owner’s beliefs. I say beliefs because the store itself has no record of discriminatory practices against homosexuals.
But once again..in typical lefty style you attempt to set the discussion with falsehoods and misdirections.
Does a private business have the right to refuse service to anyone within it’s state statutes? The answer is yes. So instead of exercising their choice and going to another store that will accomodate them..rather the homosexuals orgainze a mob against the store to bludgeon it into submission or oblivion.
And this is acceptable to you?
ScoobyCheese
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:30pm@Moderationisbest
I did not say that they asked for a “gay wedding cake.“ I said they asked for a ”gay wedding” cake.
Punctuation is important. Of course he believes in cakes. He does not believe in gay weddings. Therefore he does not sell “gay wedding” cakes. Cakes are not gay or straight. It is the theme that promotes something (ie: a graduation cake, or a birthday cake). For him to make a cake that promotes, or celebrates, a gay wedding would be for him to agree with that the concept is valid. He does not (like the majority of the country). It is his shop. He should not be forced to sell something that violates his beliefs.
Again, this is like walking into Chick-fil-A and asking for a “hamburger chicken” sandwich. They do not make them. They will not change their menu to accommodate your beliefs.
He will sell anything that HE ALREADY SELLS to gay, straight, or whatever. He has not refused service to anyone on the basis of their beliefs. He has refused to CHANGE his service on the basis of his beliefs.
There is a big difference.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:55pm@SCOOBYCHEESE
You didn’t have any punctuation to separate any of those words. This is what you said
“But what he will not do is make a gay wedding cake ”
The guys didn’t go in and ask for a “gay wedding cake” or “gay wedding” cake or whatever way you put it.
They asked for a “cake” because they’re “getting married”
A cake is a cake. Because a cake is made for a graduation, doesn’t then magically change the cake into a “graduation cake.” It is simply a cake that is being used at a graduation.
It‘s not like the store wouldn’t know how to make a cake that can used at a gay wedding. They wouldn’t need a special recipe or be confused on how to make the cake.
It’s a cake, nothing more and nothing less.
Therefore, it isn’t that he “can’t” make a gay wedding cake because one isn’t on the menu, or that he doesn’t have the proper things to make a cake.
The argument that you are making is disingenuous.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:03pmLet me put it to you in these terms Orwellianly names MODERATIONISBEST.
Report Post »If you wore an Obama t shirt to a mechanic’s service depot and asked him to fix your Chevy Volt..and he said..I don’t serve Obama supporters. Would you protest and force the mechanic to serve you with the knowledge that he likely wouldn‘t have his heart in the repair job and wouldn’t give you level the service you expect?
Simillarly…why insist on a cake for an event as profound as a wedding from a business that won’t give you their best if you persist in forcing them to serve you?
Move on you idiot….
AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:17pmSee once again Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST…you try to set the discussion in typical liberal style..and fall flat on your face.
Report Post »The cake itself is a cake. But what’s the the purpose of the cake? To celebrate a homosexual wedding. Yes?
But the owner of the bakery doesn’t celebrate homosexual marriage, doesn‘t believe in it’s validity and will not participate in the delusion of homosexual “normalcy”. The homosexuals should take their business elsewhere as any sane person would. They will not get the bakery’s fullest devotion to the the item they want to order.
But in typical liberal style..they choose to bludgeon the business into submission for not adhering to liberal belief rather than find someone who will accomodate their delusions.
Does this really have to be explained to you? Idiot.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:41pm@AVENGERK
That isn’t the argument here. The argument is that the person who I was discussing was trying to make the idiotic claim that the guy doesn’t make “gay wedding cakes” and that it’d be like “ordering a hamburger at chick-fil-a. You are ordering something that is not on the menu.”
That argument is asinine and disingenuous.
The guy is CLEARLY not making a wedding cake for those individuals because he doesn’t want to make one for a gay couple.
To make any other kind of argument is being intellectually dishonest with yourself.
I know a lot of you don‘t care that he wouldn’t make a cake for those reasons, and that’s fine. But please don’t waste my time(and yours) by coming at me with illogical justifications for why he won’t make them that cake.
Report Post »acidovorax
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:05pmAVENGERK wrote: “Does a private business have the right to refuse service to anyone within it’s state statutes? The answer is yes. So instead of exercising their choice and going to another store that will accomodate them..rather the homosexuals orgainze a mob against the store to bludgeon it into submission or oblivion. And this is acceptable to you?”
Yes, and it’s acceptable to nearly all on this forum, as many routinely call for boycotting pro-gay stores such as Google and Kraft Foods.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:19pmyeah..nice try ACIDREFLUX..
Boycotting a business isn‘t organizing protests outside it’s doors is it champ?
It‘s choosing not to buy or use a business’ services. But that’s not good enough for militant homosexuals and their supporters…apparently the business must be bludgeoned into submission or oblivion. It’s not good enough for these homosexals to move on and find a store that will accomodate their fantasy of normalcy..no..they have to get on twitter immediately and organize a mob.
Keep trying champ…
Report Post »kpeters59
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:01pmPlus, there ARE differences between the different kinds of cake. This store just may not have the materials to make a cake for a gay event. I was at a wedding yesterday and the bride and groom had pink flowers on the cake. I suppose for a gay event, you’d need what? Brown flowers? Who knows how to make that? And then, he’d have to write out in icing “Congratulations Adam and Steve”…or would it be “Good Luck Adam and Steve”? (I can barely remember protocol for proper weddings.) Either way, he’d have to keep a plenty steady hand and I can see how it would be difficult to accomplish.
Report Post »ScoobyCheese
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:46amModerationisbest,
Report Post »You are right, I forgot to put the quotes around “gay wedding” the first time I mentioned it, but I did every other time. I apologize for the grievous error on my part that seems to have greatly confused you.
I will say this one last time simply to clarify and to avoid any other confusion.
My argument is not disingenuous. No, the ingredients for the cakes are not different based upon what occasion they are being used for (although they might vary). I am sure that, if you were to visit this man’s shop, he would offer many different cakes for many different occasions. One of these occasions would be a wedding. Thus making the cake, a “wedding cake.” There are even some traditional flavors for these cakes. (It’s even a flavor of ice cream in some stores.) And there are some traditional designs for these. They do not usually look like “birthday cakes.” This is a simple concept that my six year old has grasped.
What you will NOT find in this man’s store are cakes which are meant for the purpose of “gay weddings.” He does not sell them. He does not make them. And HE DOES NOT HAVE TO. They are not part of what he offers (read: “not on the menu.”) He does not make cakes meant for gay weddings, hence he does not make “gay wedding” cakes. He probably does not make “jihad cakes,“ or ”lethal injection cakes,” either.
He will, however, sell any other type of cake he already makes to anyone who wants to purchase them – gay, straight,
wisehiney
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:30pmIf I boycotted every business that did not agree with me I would’nt be able to buy anything.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:48pmYup .. kind of like Hollyweird Movies .. but then again the last movie I saw and/or purchased was “MONUMENTAL” (saw it in the theater and then purchased two copies — one for me and one for a friend) .. and I plan on seeing “2016” and “Runaway Slave” .. I don’t do Hollyweird movies .. don‘t rent and don’t watch.
Report Post »Pounding_hammer
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:44pmWhat about buying from Chick-Fil-A?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:00pmReally Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST? You’re going to try the “intelligence” bit after you have clearly demonstrated that you don‘t understand there’s a distinction between homosexual behaviour and strict homosexuality? Really? You’re going to try that?
Report Post »You insult my intelligence and pitifully..you can’t even grasp why.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:43pm@AVENGERK
You are the one who said that homosexuality differs from homosexual behavior.
I merely pointed out that homosexual sex is part of homosexual behavior.
If you are disputing that point then you are disputing common sense.
You also only listed a couple of instances in where it was once thought that they were engaging in homosexual sex, when in reality it was some other aspect of their species.
What about all of the other instances?
Granted i haven‘t seen every post but you have yet to show me why if we’re supposedly different from animals in your eyes, in that we didn‘t evolve and are separate and special in God’s eyes….why anything that an animal does should have any correlation to what we as humans do.
You can’t claim that we are special, and that God created us differently
Report Post »And then also say that because other animals don’t engage in homosexual acts, that it is therefore wrong for humans to.
JarJamVan80
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:30pmEnough is enough. My goodness! Go to the next backery that will make you one! Quit forcing your lifestyle down Americas throat! Go on about your business. GEEZE. This kinda CRAP is starting to get on my nerves.
Report Post »Pray for USA
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:30pmThat’s the gay agenda. They want to rub your nose in it.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:39pmLet’s try to compare some instances here.
This guy is refusing service to these people because of who they are. This draws protests.
A store changes company policy to say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas.” This draws protests.
One is denying service, the other is not. Which protest do you think is more valid and more morally correct?
The one that is protesting the company that is refusing service to a group of people because of the way they are
Or the one that is protesting because a store chooses to include more people in their holiday greetings?
Report Post »BroncosGal1993
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:12pmNICE TRY, MODERATIONISBEST
“But while his views on the matter may seem discriminatory to some, Phillips stands by them. In an interview with CBS, he noted that he has no problem making birthday, graduation or other event cakes for homosexuals, but that wedding cakes are a different story.
“If gays come in and want to order birthday cakes or any cakes for any occasion, graduations, or whatever, I have no prejudice against that whatsoever, he said. “It’s just the wedding cake, not the people, not their lifestyle.” “
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:20pm@BRONCOSGAL1993
So wait, you proved my point?
They are refusing service to gay people in particular instances. That is still refusing service.
I’m glad you proved my point.
Only a religious zealot would put biblical claims on a cake.
Report Post »BroncosGal1993
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:27pm“It’s just the wedding cake, not the people, not their lifestyle.” “
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:23pmIt is their lifestyle.
There is no difference between a wedding cake for a straight couple and a wedding cake for a gay couple.
The ingredients are the same
Report Post »It’s baked the same way
SREGN
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:35pmThey complain because they have no cake? Let them eat bread!
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:09pm“There is no difference between a wedding cake for a straight couple and a wedding cake for a gay couple.”
Big difference. One is real, one is a joke. Making a wedding cake for a gay couple is being complicit with it. You know that but, you are intellectually dishonest and a bigot. News flash genius, a man does not equal a woman and a woman does not equal a man. So “gay marriage” is not equal to marriage as defined. You and your ilk want to redefine it. Also, businesses reserve the right to deny service for any reason. If TNT fashions don‘t want to sell me clothes because I’m white, it’s their right. I’ll just buy clothes somewhere else.
THe militant sodomites want to blaspheme God and make us accept it because they are evil at heart. (Not all gays are like this. Many just want to live their lives. I have no issue with them. That is between them and God) But we aren’t going lay down and take it.
Marriage is not in the constitution so the 10th amendment applies. EVERYWHERE gay marriage has been put on a ballot (inluding the left coast) is has been rejected. Liberal judges have overridden the people’s will to get is legalized.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:12pmLOL…this board is littered with your idiocies Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST. You invoke the constitution while ignoring the rights given the states by the same constitution. 37 states have exercised their rights and delineated marriaged as between a man and woman. You mealy mouthed git…you insult one’s intelligence with your excretions here.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:23pm@SQUIDVETOHIO
There are some things where it is IRRELEVANT what the people vote for.
If something is unconstitutional, I don’t care how you vote on it, it’s wrong.
If the country voted to re-enslave a population, is it then constitutional? No, of course not.
Many things are constitutional until they are ruled unconstitutional.
Our founders wrote of life, liberty, freedom, and pursuit of happiness……while owning other human beings as property. They wrote the Constitution….and did unconstitutional things.
Marriage was never defined in most instances, which is why States are trying to pass constitutional amendments to define marriage between a man and a woman.
In 2010 I think, 46% of Republicans in Mississippi said they want to ban interracial marriage because it’s against their “belief.”
You therefore have no moral ground to stand on when Mississippi tries to ban interracial marriage be. They could say the exact same thing about interracial couples. “They’re trying to force their lifestyle on me.“ ”I don’t care about it, just don’t shove it in my face.”
You have no grounds to say it would be unconstitutional for a state to try to pass an amendment that defines marriage between two people of the same race only.
Seriously, you people are a riot. For how much you hate homosexuality you people sure do love to talk about it.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:35pm@AVENGERK
You‘re the one who can’t get through most of your posts without insulting me by continually saying “orwellian named Moderation” or making baseless accusations about my political affiliation.
So what you’re saying is that if a State wanted to enslave an entire group of people and voted on that, it would be okay? Of course not!
You would have to exhibit some form of intelligence for me to be able to insult it.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:00pmSee Orwellianly named MODERATIONISBEST…you bleat before you think. I said that these states excercise their rights for their constitutions…THROUGH the constitution of the United States.
Report Post »Read what’s presented to you you idiot instead of reacting like the lefty robot you are.
When I call you an idiot..it’s not an empty insult..it’s the truth. You ARE an idiot.
Stop insulting my intelligence wtih your flatulence you call posts and actually think before you write something.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:21pm@AVENGERK
Slavery was constitutional until it was ruled unconstitutional.
Lots of things are constitutional until they are ruled unconstitutional.
It is my argument that it is unconstitutional to say that gay marriage is illegal, therefore the way the people vote is irrelevant.
You have yet to exhibit any form of intelligence for me to insult, so I don’t see why you keep making this statement as if it has any meaning.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 6:56pmYeah Orwelliany named MODERATIONISBEST..that’s right..keep trying to move the goal posts.
The states are given rights through the constitution. 37 of them have exercised those rights and stated marriage is between a man and woman in their own state constitutions.
I know you liberals hate the constitution..but it’s the only thing stopping statists like you from seizing power.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 8:07pm@AVENGERK
I have never moved the goal posts, it is you who can’t understand my argument.
I can’t help but laugh at thinking that you were the type of people who would argue that the Constitution allows slavery, and anybody who is trying to outlaw slavery is a “statists” from “seizing power.”
No, I’m trying to remove your oppression of people you disagree with.
You are a paranoid moron.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:30pmI truly think some of these people wish they could go back to the days where it was socially acceptable to tell black people that they can’t eat there, or to go around to the back to pick up their meal.
Report Post »BellaMia7
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:41pmYeah, Democrats like Al Gore Sr. a bigoted racist who voted against the Civil rights act.
October 13, 1858
During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the ***** as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee
April 16, 1862
President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no.
January 26, 1922
House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster
FDR appoints KKK member to Supreme Court
August 17, 1937
Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation
June 24, 1940
Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it
May 6, 1960
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats
Read the rest of the sordid Democrat history here:
http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:45pmWhat does this have to do with Republican or Democrat?
Man you people are so partisan that it’s hilarious.
I didn’t mention a political party, hell I didn’t even mention a specific individual yet you go on some rant about Democrats?
What relevance is your post supposed to have for me?
Report Post »lefty5005
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:10pmThe only thing worst than a liberal is a moderate. They stand for nothing. Moderation is best when eating ice cream or steak or spending on a budget. Moderation is good when buying curtains for the baby‘s room when you don’t know the sex. In politics and when is concerns PC issues moderation sucks. You can’t make a decision so you are the redheaded stepchild of politics. I’ll give a liberal the time of day but a moderate is not worth any attention at all.
Report Post »AGee
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 3:29pmI am black and guess what? I could not care less if a business didn‘t want to serve me because I’m black. As long as they’re not accepting any taxpayer money, they have every right to refuse me based on whatever. Guess what else? If they don’t want to serve me based on my skin color, do you think I would try to force them to do so? No way in hell. They are the last people I would want to give my money to. I would move on to another business who believed in serving/selling to everyone equally. Why anyone would want to force their money on someone who doesn’t want it is beyond me.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:10pm@LEFTY5005
Can’t make a decision?
Have you read any of my posts on here?
I am clearly on the side of allowing gay marriage.
Not only have I said socially why I think it‘s acceptable but that I think it’s unconstitutional to try and block.
Therefore I have made a decision on two different grounds.
1. A social argument for allowing gay marriage
2. A constitutional argument for allowing gay marriage
Do you know how to read?
Are you able to comprehend words and sentences?
If you can answer yes to both questions, then it should be perfectly clear where I stand on this issue. Thus my decision is completely obvious.
If you can‘t discern which side of the argument I’m one, I suggest you go back and learn reading and comprehension.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 4:57pmYou Democrats would know MODERATIONISBEST..it’s the democrats that fought against civil rights.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:02pm@AVENGERK
Another great post by you. Absolutely no substance and faulty claims and accusations. You’re a pro at that though.
Report Post »spookchaser
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:23pmIt would be for the best of the country.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 5:33pmAGEE….its’ very different in your case. No one has the right to deny you your humanity. Your color is obvious as is the fact that you’re a fellow human being. This is a reality.
Report Post »But in homosexuality’s case, they’re striving to change reality by forcing everyone to believe what homosexuals believe. If one doesn’t buy into the delusion, one is bludgeoned into submiission.
Homosexuality is a state of mind. It’s not a genetic predisposition. There is no genetic pointer to homosexuality.
Being black is very different to being homosexual.
acidovorax
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 7:26pmMODERATION wrote: “What does this have to do with Republican or Democrat?
Man you people are so partisan that it’s hilarious.
I didn’t mention a political party, hell I didn’t even mention a specific individual yet you go on some rant about Democrats?
What relevance is your post supposed to have for me?”
Partisan hacks are partisan.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:51pmLOL .. that would be a Canadian wedding cake .. no kidding that is what is traditional in Canada .. hummmm.
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:52pmLol
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 30, 2012 at 2:55pmThere are usually plenty of those ‘door stops’ around right after Christmas.
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