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Actor Michael Caine: I Asked Doc to Kill My Ill Father

LONDON (The Blaze/AP) — Actor Michael Caine has claimed he hastened his terminally ill father’s death by asking a doctor to give a fatal overdose.

In a transcript of an radio interview widely published in British media before being broadcast Saturday, Caine said he could not bear to see his father in pain.

Caine, 77, told Classic FM the doctor initially refused but told the actor to return to the hospital at midnight:

My father had cancer of the liver and I was in such anguish over the pain he was in, that I said to this doctor, I said ‘Isn’t there anything else you could do, just give him an overdose and end this’, because I wanted him to go and he said ‘Oh no, no, no, we couldn’t do that.’ Then, as I was leaving, he said ‘Come back at midnight.’ I came back at midnight and my father died at five past 12. So he’d done it … .

Caine’s father Maurice Micklewhite died at the age of 56 in 1955 after suffering from liver cancer.

Caine’s publicist did not immediate return an e-mail seeking comment.

According to The Guardian of London, Caine supports assisted suicide. When asked in the interview if he believes such actions are okay, he responded: “Oh I think so, yeah. I think if you’re in a state to where life is no longer bearable, if you want to go. I’m not saying that anyone else should make the decision, but I made the request, but my father was semi-conscious.”

Caine seems to be insinuating that the request was either echoed by his father, or that his father did not stop Caine from making the request.

Assisted suicide is a crime under Britain’s 1961 Suicide Act, The Guardian reports, and carries a sentence of up to 14 years. But the Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer has said a person is unlikely to be prosecuted if they are acting for compassionate, unselfish, and non-malicious reasons.

Caine has won two Oscars for Hannah and Her Sisters and The Cider House Rules. Recently, he has starred as the loyal butler Alfred in the new Batman series. He is technically Sir Michael Caine, as he was knighted in 2000 by Queen Elizabeth II for his accomplishments.

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  • slwolfgram
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:46am

    I know of a lady that the Lord healed of liver cancer. Jesus died for healing. Pray and appropriate the promises of God. Don‘t cut a life short because you can’t bear to watch. Get your hope up as high as you can get it and then believe that nothing is impossible with God. Get religion out of the way and let your relationship with Jesus lead you.

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    • Inuyasha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:36pm

      Exactly, it is when we are in impossible situations that we really get to see the Lord work in our lives.

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  • slwolfgram
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:41am

    God’s Word is true and it says“thou shall not murder” There is the truth in one sentence regarding the issue. Cry out for mercy and then expect the grace of God to take care of it. We need to pray, if we don’t know where the person stands with God, that the Spirit of God would draw that person to Jesus and be saved. Then the home going isn’t so painful.

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  • Rapunzel
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:30am

    I think it is terrible and wrong that anyone could take another‘s life because he or she ’can‘t bear’ to see a loved one suffering. What if the loved one can bear the suffering and wants to live as long as GOD had allotted? To me it is the height of selfishness. Even that horrible woman who thinks it‘s OK to smother a ’suffering’ child…her reasoning was not really that the child may be suffering, but that SHE would not be able to bear being witness to it!

    That being said, I think there is also tremendous differences between withholding extraordinary care, like ventilators and other machines, withholding ordinary care, like food and water, and taking active steps to end a life.

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  • Contrarianthinker
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:26am

    Then Caine, one my favorite actors, is an accomplice to MURDER. Sad day for morality.

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  • AngryTexanFromAmarillo
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:14am

    If you want to kill your self fine that is your choice, but choosing to kill a baby is murder because that baby is a life its not just tissue and cells, it is a human life. and abortion for any reason is murder.

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    • KingArthurUp
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:45am

      yeah… but if you think by spouting facts, logic and science that you are going to change my liberal mind…. FORGET IT~

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  • gotea
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:13am

    There seems to be alot of people who have one opinion on this subject till it happens to them. While the woman saying that we should smother handicapped babies made me want to puke, this story had the opposite effect. I am sure some would equate the two. There are a lot of hard decisions in life. God helps us get through them. The struggle to reconcile eternity in hell via suicide, or the compassionate overdose of a extremely pained individual is one of the hard questions. I would hope that God would see clear to forgive anyone for struggling with this question.

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  • welovetheUSA
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:42am

    I have a gun just incase I ever get cancer……..and I will use it. There must be a way not to suffer so much pain as so many have.

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    • RONALDREAGAN1980
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:32pm

      A lot of people live with cancer for a considerable time, their pain controlled with morphine, hydromorphone,nonsteroidals, etc. Oncologists and pain specialist have come a long way in their understanding of pain control in the last 30 years. This allows terminal patients to wrap up their affairs, enjoy their loved ones, etc. Hopefully you will never be in those shoes, but heaven forbid that you do, get a pain specialist before you pick up the gun.

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  • Ponyexpress
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:40am

    Regardless of your moral or religious position on this issue.Why would you tell anyone?
    That is what is incomprehensible to me.

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  • debmcl37
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:30am

    Okpulot Taha No where in the Bible, God’s Holy Word!!! does it tell us, advise us or command us to end another’s pain by ending their life (killing them) You seem to think that someone being against this is being judgmental and love to point your fingers at them. You are not passing judgment upon someone by disagreeing with them. You don’t seem to know much about God you just quote the Bible and a few verses taken out of context. Maybe you ought to read the whole Bible. And by the way Terri Schiavo was starve to death!

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:27am

      Taha is NOT a Christian. She is Native American and has I beleive faith in the Great Spirit

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  • sabotaa
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:41am

    “Judge: To criticize or condemn someone on moral grounds.”

    Decisions are made based on the situation at hand; There are those who have made a choice and those who can only pass judgment, compassion and love are the guiding principals of any good human being regardless of religion or creed. I choose not to judge this man for his actions but accept his decision, right or wrong…

    “Romans2:1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are, if you judge; for in the thing in which you judge another, you condemn yourself, inasmuch as you that judge practice the same things”

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  • Greyhound424
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:33am

    Thou shalt not murder.

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    • Jamestown
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:46am

      GREYHOUND…YOU JUST EXPOSED THE ENTIRE ANSWER..GOD DID NOT COMMAND THOU SHALL NOT KILL..GOD COMMANDED THOU SHALL NOT MURDER…IT ALL STARTS WHEN STUPIS A_S INDIAS START CHANGING SCRIPTURE AND USE FEE GOO WORDS LIKE COMPASSION…THOU SHALL NOT MURDER …THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GO TO FALSE T EACHING CHURCHES.
      BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DAM choctaw lazy to see what GOD REALLY SAID…..

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  • Mr.Citrus
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:27am

    I think this is a subject that we should talk about… I 100% agree with assisted suicide arranged by the individual. Okay , a doctor and two of you blood relative to confirm your in your right mind, but I myself feel I would not like to bring a costly and hard to deal with end of life problems, especially if thing were not going to improve.. Freedom of chose, I think we should be able to choose even when our lives are over… who are you to argue with me over my life………? and kinda seems ridicules for people to design laws preventing me from doing so…I think it all falls under the setting of none ya business.. ~ Andrew

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  • msgal1018
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:08am

    “Thou shall not kill” doesn’t have an * behind it. Just saying!

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  • motherteresa
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:08am

    This is perfectly reasonable – if one has no solid understanding of Truth.
    It is God who is in charge.
    When we decide to be god, we make decisions based on our limited understanding of reality.
    While every effort should be made to ease the pain of those suffering physically, we must try to understand that there is value in that suffering. A value that is beyond our full comprehension.

    I think this warped sense of compassion of Caine helps to explain his playing the role of the ‘compassionate’ abortionist in “Cider House Rules.”
    He needs our prayers.

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  • msgal1018
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:05am

    I hope and pray that should my time come with the lingering pain and suffering, I can embrace it, without complaining, just as Jesus did for every one of us. I watched my father do exactly this and learned a great deal from him. I asked him once, “why don’t you ever complain?” .. His response .. “Jesus endured much worse; who am I to complain?” Think about it!

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  • felina g
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:53am

    Doctors and families make these decisions all of the time when a loved one is near death. Been going on since the beginning of time. There is a difference with that and having some third party (the State) deem you a “useless eater” and becoming soylent green.

    The “George St, Bernard Shaw crowd” are the difference. Dirty dogs.

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    • Mr.Citrus
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:30am

      Apsolutlly …What do you think Hospice does???? They help you die…. and thats it… plain and simple… If you don’t think so ask around….

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:55am

      Felina watched Jesse Ventura? As did I, and frankly I learned about the bilderbergers 35 years ago. These are the powers who have for very many years in America & other countries tried to create class warfare and bring about the collapse of societies so that a dream for the ultra-ultra rich of a one-world governance under totalitarian social/communist rule will occur, with they, the aristocrats, to whom the Earth belongs, as our leaders. (masters.) STOP CALLING US NUTS& HENNY PENNY & CONSPIRACY THEORISTS & EYE-ROLLING AT US & GET OFF YOUR DUFFS AND DO SOMETHING!!!. As Ron Reagan said (paraphrasing), “it ain‘t paranoia if they’re really out to get you!”

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:12am

      While Mr. Caine may flaunt his “compassion” by revealing that he has actually asked a doctor to give his father a fatal overdose, there are a few questionable points here aside from the moral issue.

      First and foremost, the doctor refused. Secondly, when Mr. Caine returned to the bed side, a few hours later, his father passed away shortly after. And therefore, Mr. Caine claims that the doctor had indeed administered the dose.

      Okay, Mr. Caine, did you see the syringe? Or was it marked in the chart? Or did you see the doctor in the hallway and he gave you a wink and a nod as he passed by? Or during the autopsy, was there an abnormally high amount of drug? Short of any of those, it’s speculation that the doctor did indeed administer a fatal dose.

      When my father was dying of cancer, I walked into the hospital room and my brother was furious because my dad was restless and in pain but they couldn’t give him any more pain killer because it would be an overdose. There is a point where the vital force is so low that any additional medication will be an overdose.

      My mother was in hospice care for about four months. The staff of the facility she was at were able to give her a level of care that our local hospital simply could not provide. My brother was able to stay with her 24/7. They did not over medicate her and she slipped away peacefully in her sleep. That’s what hospice care is all about, caring for terminal patients and for those who need it, managing the pain.

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    • RONALDREAGAN1980
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:21am

      Mr Citrus- regarding your comments that hospice helps someone die. There is a tremendous distinction between allowing a terminal illness run its course, and killing someone. Hospice gives patients a little bit of comfort and dignity in their last hours, days, weeks, and months. If you would rather spend spend your last weeks and months in an intensive care unit on a ventilator, three different vasopressors to keep your blood pressure up, 4 different antibiotics, anticoagulants, tubes in every orifice, constant sedation to keep your from pulling out your endotracheal tube, frequent blood draws to monitor your labs, an environment of strangers, lights, and monitoring alarms…. hey, that’s your right. It’s just not the kind of painful artificial life support everyone wants for themselves. Many would rather stay at home with their family receiving comfort care only, knowing that by refusing all that invasive treatment their life may be shortened. Those people have made a decision about their quality of life. Everyone should educate themselves more about end of life issues and have well planned out advanced medical directives. As ben frankin said, there are only 2 things sure in this life.

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    • teahugger
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 10:36pm

      As a hospice nurse for the past 13 years, I have to respectfully disagree. Our job is to neither hasten nor attempt to prevent a patient’s death. We do our utmost to relieve the physical, mental and spiritual suffering of our patients, and help them make a peaceful transition. The medications we use are administered in safe doses and are not given with the intention of ending a person’s life…just to ease the symptoms they may be experiencing. Most people go into a coma prior to death and have little pain to no pain if treated appropriately. As the body shuts down the patient no longer experiences hunger or thirst, and the natural dehydration that occurs actually has a euphoric effect. I do not believe in assisted suicide. I think sometimes the family suffers more because of the perceived suffering of their loved one…the family wants their OWN suffering to end.

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  • wingedwolf
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:20am

    My problem has never been with decisions people make for themselves. If someone in a terminal, painful condition makes that choice for themselves it is between them and God, Not them and me. My problem has always been that if we ever let the government decide who MAY die, the government will shortly thereafter decide who WILL die. And my fears became truth. READ THE BILL.

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  • john654
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:11am

    I wonder why Caine didn’t have the “love or mercy” to come back at midnight and do it himself. Maybe he just didn’t have the heart to KILL his own father? Well at least now he is done with his Dad and he can get on with his “Acting Career”. Caine is full of false compassion and arrogance and is PLAYING GOD in his ROLE as a son.
    John654

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:44am

      JOHN 654 thinks himself God, “I wonder why Caine didn’t have the ‘love or mercy’ to come back at midnight and do it himself.”

      Logistically, Caine would not have access to morphine or barbiturates nor correct equipment to do this. Risk is botching this and creating more pain and misery. Choices for Caine might include a pillow over his father’s face, a bullet to his head, a knife in his heart. Those are not good choices.

      Emotionally, very few of us could kill our fathers even as an act of mercy. I do not fault Caine for his simply loving his father and not being strong enough to perform this act of compassion.

      Do you believe Caine’s love of his father is what prompted Caine to display compassion? This seems to me to be a pure and a powerful love, much in keeping with the words of God.

      JOHN 654 is judgmental, “PLAYING GOD in his ROLE as a son.”

      Is not your passing judgment upon another playing God? Do you think yourself to be God?

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Oh, God!
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:03am

      Dear Okpulot,

      We do not kill or murder. It is not compassion, it is taking a human life. Caine chose to take his father’s life because he (Caine) could not bear his own suffering. So instead of dealing with his emotions and coming to terms that his father’s life was ending, he was selfish and thought of himself. Suicide is a sin. And we do not kill an unborn child just because the parents don’t want to have to deal with their child dying. Is killing the child going to take away the pain? No, my child, I think not. I pray that you will come to terms in your own time and I will be waiting to meet you at the doors for your next joyous journey. God Bless, my child.

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    • roninshaman
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:20pm

      The commandment of God is ‘Thou shall not Murder’. There are different reasons to kill including Self defense, National defense and Capitol punishment. Murder is cold blooded, premeditated and usually motivated by hatred or greed. I don‘t know with certainty what Michael Caine’s motivations were, but I know that God has it within him to forgive all sin if asked. This is between Mr. Caine and God.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:02pm

      Only Okpulot Taha could read the words “do not play God,” and proceed to accuse the writer of trying to play God. What a mind.

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    • Oh, God!
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:10pm

      @RONINSHAMAN: I agree with you. I should have typed Thou Shall Not Kill. There is a difference and I completely agree with your post. In fact, I agree with CAITLYNSDAD also, but not with you know who. Don’t want to make her mad since she is an Indian and knows her way around the internet since 1995. LOL

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:12pm

      @Oh God
      You-Know-Who is female? Well, my apologies must go out to her for referring to her elsewhere as “he.” I just simply assumed from the very–uh, creative–language that I was dealing with a man. I don’t often run across women who talk like that, but then of course, I’m Catholic. What would the nuns think? ;)

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    • Oh, God!
      Posted on October 12, 2010 at 8:08am

      They would smack your hands with a yard stick!

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  • chazman
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:08am

    Some things are better left unsaid, Mr. Caine …

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:14am

      I will say it…You are MUDERING your father Mr. Caine and God will have his say…

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  • zippy
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:06am

    Well according to that lady talking about her ill child… “its just a few cells”

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  • snowleopard3200
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:48am

    I have to object to any kind of so called “mercy killings” as in my family several members have survived fatal sickness – including four with supposedly terminal brain tumors. I will never be able to condone any form of legalized murder, or even these mercy-killings at all.

    I am sorry for people who have to go through these things, for the patients and their families, yet I survived being born with several critical defects, including hip deformation, bad lungs, bad nerve reflexes and live in chronic pain from the hip down into my leg constantly.

    I am glad to still be alive, and to serve our Father in heaven as a servant. Ask Him to decide when the time of release for the patient is to be, He is merciful, and best one to judge – NOT PEOPLE.

    http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (mixed art)

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    • GardenoftheGods
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 2:44pm

      I have to agree. I have been blessed/burdened with extremely painful illnesses…but I live in hope that the Lord will continue to teach me the lessons I have learned through physical pain. I would NEVER burden someone else with the responsibility to choose the point my life ends…that is for God to decide; not man! I fully believe in the 10 Commandments (not the 10 suggestions) which state: Thou shalt not kill. I believe that means for any reason. Beyond that, I think people will think or do anything that might quiet their conscience. In the end, it is for God to judge; not me.

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  • otoko
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:48am

    Yeah right! I bet the progressive mind thinks Hitler put to death so many people because he couldn’t bare to watch them suffer any longer. It is a selfish act presented as compassion.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:21am

      Always have to bring Hitler into the conversation – what is this fixation that you people have with Hitler – oh, …..I forgot…..Glenn is fixated on Hitler!!

      http://wp.me/pYLB7-cu

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    • otoko
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:55am

      Because Hitler is the poster child for that type mind set to exterminate the sick, infirm all for the good of the living. Those who ignore history are bound to relive it!

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  • dantom
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:38am

    Maybe Caine can order his shot early.

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    • Jamestown
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:16am

      OKA PUKE AH…I SPIT ON YOU….order justified in your eyes still remains to be MURDER…I say also…you do not speak for THE choctah Nation…Mr Maine wants someone else to do what is in his own mind…its stuff to live life when someone doesn’t write a script cain…..CHOCTAH ..time to fin a better representative

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 6:00pm

      Jamestown, you crack me up.

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  • Okpulot Taha
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:37am

    Two notions. I support suicide or assisted suicide for reason of compassion. I also support first trimester abortion for compassionate reason such as horrific birth defects, especially fatal birth defects.

    Couple decades back a loved family member died of a fairly rare disease, San Joaquin Valley Fever. He suffered terribly for five years before succumbing. I will not go into details but symptoms he suffered took ten years off each of our lives; emotionally painful. Reads self-centered but the pain he suffered is beyond description. Worst of all, this disease robbed him of mobility, vision and his mind.

    A young couple friends of ours knew their baby would be born and soon die from birth defects. This death of their baby was lingering and painful for their baby. Although all of us, including the parents, believed giving birth was the right decision, we later learned this was a mistake. Those then young parents suffer guilt to this day for this pain their baby suffered until early death.

    These type of circumstances call in Christian compassion and bravery of faith. There are times when ending a life is the most gracious act of mercy we can display. This requires courage and strength of faith, to do what is painfully right. Helping a person die with dignity, is true Christian compassion. Sparing a baby pain and death, is true Christian mercy.

    Okpulot Taha
    Choctaw Nation

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:08am

      You sir are a moron. Murder is murder. It is NEVER compassion in the eyes of God!

      Brave to kill someone dying or brave to kill a baby? Rethink your Christianity sir, because you are on the wrong side and truly doing SATANS work by killing!

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:50am

      DUSTY LUV thinks himself still a child, “You sir are a moron.”

      Thank you. Your kind words are appreciated, and intellectually impressive.

      * looks at my photograph over there to one side *

      Maybe I should grow a mustache, I look much too feminine to be a sir. I suppose a childish boy would not notice this.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • akamaikamaaina
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:54am

      “It is NEVER compassion in the eyes of God!”

      What hubris to presume to see with the eyes of God.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:18am

      AKAMAIKAMAAINA sees clearly, “What hubris to presume to see with the eyes of God.”

      Reminds me of the Terri Schiavo tragedy. Right wing Christians legally intercede to prevent her husband from “pulling the plug” after more than a decade of maintaining her in a less than vegetative state. Politicians jump in to win votes, “This is evil, vote for me!” Christians go wild eyed, jump up and down, “Devil’s Work! Bad! Bad!”

      Terri Schiavo’s skull was virtually empty; no brain. She displayed only primitive signs of life through brain stem functioning. Terri Schiavo died more than a decade back but her body was kept alive through Frankenstein like technology.

      Sometimes Christians behave like Dr. Victor Frankenstein, “It’s alive, it’s alive, it’s moving, it’s alive!”

      Who are Christians to claim absolute authority over the lives of others? It’s alive!

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Greyhound424
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:31am

      Don’t you think that baby would have suffered horrendous pain when being ripped apart by a murdering abortion dr.? Do you really think that those parents would have been better off emotionally if they had elected to kill their baby? That baby was still a life, a person, a blessing.

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    • harley012
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:33am

      The commandment in actuality says Thou Shall Not Murder. Please investigate. Asking a doctor to kill a loved one like an old dog is obviously murder, I do not find the “killing with compassion” mantra to be anything but evil. Is there any wisdom and discernment today?

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:49am

      GREYHOUND 424 writes, “Don’t you think that baby would have suffered horrendous pain when being ripped apart by a murdering abortion dr.?”

      You employ emotionally charged words with intent to fool readers. Those readers might be fooled, I am not easily fooled. Your use of emotionalism is a form of deceit which is not in keeping with Christianity. You are not faithful to God, you violate God’s word to always be truthful.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • ME
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:52am

      This is a christian in word only and no understanding, It pains me greatly that you had to suffer the ten years of lose at your family members disease. Instead of thanking God that you had more time with them and learning about your self from the experience. I have lost a child to sever birth defects and thank God every day that we gave him every opportunity to be a part of this world and did not steal his life from him in the womb, yes he may have suffered during his short life but it was his struggle and I never presumed to be his god and take it from him for any reason. I pay to God I am never a recipient of your kind of compassion as it seems to be far more about you then anyone else.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:54am

      HARLEY 012 decides my fate, “I do not find the ‘killing with compassion’ mantra to be anything but evil. Is there any wisdom and discernment today?”

      I understand. Because you disagree with me you consider me to be evil and stupid.

      How mighty Christian of you.

      Am I discerning enough to comply with your righteous Christian standards?

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • akamaikamaaina
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:01am

      we will put down a termanally, suffering horse, dog, cat, but we will not extend that same compassion to someone in a state of intermanable suffering. is it that christ suffered to the deaththat we hold the suffering of man to be holy. it is christ the compassionate. who is man to deny that compassion to the suffering? we would be better served to understand what human compasson is instead of presuming to know what the will of god is.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:01am

      ME is judgmental, “I pay to God I am never a recipient of your kind of compassion as it seems to be far more about you then anyone else.”

      I well understand and respect your Christian self-righteous judgmental attitude. Are you open minded enough to both understand and respect attitudes of those with whom you disagree, or is yours the only correct way of thinking?

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • unashamed conservative
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:04am

      Okpulot taha,

      You give a very convincing argument, and I’m sure the circumstances you describe were just as painful as you give witness. That being said, I’m not sure, in my human nature, old Adam self, how I would respond in a similar situation. I can only hope that in my Christian, new Adam self, I would have the courage to trust in God and His timing. Remember, He willingly allowed and endured the ultimate suffering and punishment of His one and only Son. He knows the physical AND the emotional pain each and every one of us bears. Since we can only see an insignificant fraction of what God sees, it’s either very, very difficult or sometimes impossible to know why He allows some to suffer. I pray I will remember this and trust if ever time time comes. God bless.

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    • Rn mom
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:05am

      You don’t understand one important piece. It is not our jobs to intervene and take away a life for what ever reason. I have been asked to give deadly doses to suffering patients- and I refused. Why? because I am not God- it is not my place to make those choices. I know it sucks to see anyone suffer but it doesn’t give anyone the right to play God. And first trimester babies? I am against abortion- I’ve had plenty of patients who were told their child would be born with spina bifida or downs syndrome- they should abort. Luckily they didn’t abort and bore perfectly healthy children.When the government states that 1/3 of American women have had an abortion it is no longer about the baby- but the mom. The facts support my claim that there is a large portion of our citizenry who use abortion as a form of birth control. Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned, because there is more than sufficient evidence that there is a human life inside the womb as early as 5 weeks, evidenced by a beating heart.

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:06am

      OKPULOT That crap re abortion in the first tri is a load. Most of the time mothers don.t know in the first if anything is wrong with thier child. Murder is murder is murder. Abortion is murder suffocating babies with pillows is muder and mercy killing is murder . Michael cains father is the only one who should ask for assistance with his own suicide and even that is a sin as far as I know. This is a hell of a decision to make for someone else.

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    • ME
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:13am

      truth is truth and a fool deceived is a fool deceived. You have been deceived and you may point with righteous indignation all you want but till you revive and understand the truth you are a tool of evil pure and simple. I will go the the judgment seat making that call and not lose a wink of sleep after you kill someone in compassion would you be able to make the same claim???

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:33am

      UNASHAMED CONSERVATIVE displays smarts, “You give a very convincing argument, and I’m sure the circumstances you describe were just as painful as you give witness.”

      Yes, a decision to prolong a life or shorten a life is extremely difficult, for many, impossible. Our family made a decision together, after weeks of sincere debate, to not extend the life of our loved one. In this case, he was simply no longer truly alive, he brain was literally eaten away, but not so much his terrible pain was not obvious.

      Over the years he sadly deteriorated to an almost mindless state, he would never recover because his brain damage was physical and extensive. He was, in all senses of the word, gone. At best, he had the mind of a newborn baby, and rapidly deteriorating.

      However, each day we watched him wither in pain, cry out and suffer. Pain killers like morphine became useless. What are you to do? Technology is keeping him alive, he would die without artificial life support. This is not a natural death and his death was a 100% certainty; terminal guaranteed.

      This calls into question if we are to “force” a person to remain alive against the will of Mother Nature, or disconnect him from artificial life support and allow him a natural death.

      My personal view is forcing a person to stay alive is a Dr. Frankenstein behavior. In my view, this is a mortal sin. Some here accuse me of being self-centered but when we force a person to stay alive this is being self-centered; we keep him alive for our emotional concerns.

      We are not meant to be half human and half machine. This is not life. This, of course, calls in our timeless question of “quality of life”. This is a critical issue with no easy answer.

      Doubtful very many here at The Blaze have faced these types of circumstances. Some have, but not many. Unless you, the reader, have experienced being emotionally wrung out by decisions of death or life, you are not qualified to comment.

      I appreciate your words, UNASHAMED CONSERVATIVE, and I know you are aware this type of decision is the most difficult and the most painful decision we can make in life.

      We are to respect a stressful decision like this. We are not to judge others whose compassion is pure and good. Being judgmental is not being faithful to God.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:37am

      You can’t help believe what you believe because if you knew Him, our creator, Jesus Christ, you would have an entirely different view. We sometimes forget and make the mistake that unbelievers should all be able to believe and know what the will of God is. They cannot. They deceive their own selves that what they are doing is good and it is not.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:44am

      RN MOM cites a rule, “You don’t understand one important piece. It is not our jobs to intervene and take away a life for what ever reason.”

      I am unfamiliar with this rule. Would you provide me a reference source for this rule so I can read up and better understand this rule I am violating.

      Is this rule your personal rule or is this a rule you intend to impose upon all without choice?

      Hippocratic Oath, is this your rule? This oath is to do no harm, correct? Is allowing a person to suffer, a certain terminally ill person, is allowing him to suffer terribly, is this doing no harm or is this doing harm by inaction after request to hasten his death?

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Wendy in FL
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:47am

      I would like to ask everyone who is coming down on Okpulot Taha why it is okay that we play God with our beloved pets? Why is it okay to “put them down” when they are suffering?

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:49am

      UNTAMEABLE KATE is surprisingly childish, “That crap”

      Nah, I will pass on engaging in discussion with you. This would prove pointless and serve only to annoy readers. This would be disrespectful.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • unashamed conservative
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:57am

      Please don’t misunderstand. While I agree that it is not my job to judge you, your situation or your family decision, I also believe we can not judge or determine what is only up to God. I don’t agree with euthanasia. However, if it was as you say… taking your non-viable family member off artificial life support, then I do not see this as a murder.

      On the topic of judgement, I think many confuse self-righteousness with righteousness through Christ and righteous anger. Even Christ displayed righteous anger. This is not a non-Christian response. Although, Christians do need to be aware of and control their tongue when sharing God’s Word. Christians are also sinners. We are ALL sinners and we are ALL hypocrites at times. Allowing Christ to live in our hearts is a constant assurance that DESPITE our sinfulness, He will always be there to hold our hand when we stumble and give us absolution upon our repentance every time we mess up! Please don’t allow some of the forked tongue responses from Christians to come between you and your savior. In answer to a question you posed earlier to someone else, yes, Christ is the only truth. God’s blessings.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:58am

      ME amuses me, “you are a tool of evil”

      On this point you are correct. Should you keep slinging around childish insults I am likely to render you into a toad, a wet slimy little warty toad and you will spend the rest of your life catching flies and spiders for supper.

      I am off to share secret spells and clever curses with Christine O’Donnell.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:05am

      JEZREEL blurts out, “You can’t help believe what you believe….”

      Hello! You are sitting there telling me what I can believe and what I cannot believe?

      You humor me.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • slwolfgram
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:29am

      Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:49am
      GREYHOUND 424 writes, “Don’t you think that baby would have suffered horrendous pain when being ripped apart by a murdering abortion dr.?”

      You employ emotionally charged words with intent to fool readers. Those readers might be fooled, I am not easily fooled. Your use of emotionalism is a form of deceit which is not in keeping with Christianity. You are not faithful to God, you violate God’s word to always be truthful.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

      Not agreeing with abortion and assisted suicide is not in violation of God’s Word. Prayer is always the answer to these kind of things. Crying out for MERCY and then expecting the grace of God to take care of the situation. God is a God of mercy and He does not want any to perish. Jesus died that we could have life and have it abundantly. It is the enemy that came to steal, kill and destroy.
      God’s Word is true just as you say and it says“thou shall not murder” There is the truth in one sentence regarding the issue.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:46am

      UNASHAMED CONSERVTIVE continues to be reasonable, “taking your non-viable family member off artificial life support, then I do not see this as a murder.”

      This is the most stressful and the most heart breaking decision possible in life. This is life or death. This a decision for the person dying to make, or a decision for family members to carefully make. This is simply none of our business. We are to never interfere nor to judge.

      The Terri Schiavo case should serve as a constant reminder to Christians of the type of tragedy Christians cause when self-righteous indignation supersedes common sense compassion. This Terri Schiavo tragedy well exemplifies some Christians are simply Dr. Frankenstein types:

      “…it’s alive, it’s moving, it’s alive! Oh, in the name of God! Now I know what it feels like to be God!”

      Those words written by Mary Shelley, is this what Christians are all about, playing God with the lives of others? This is not God’s will. This behavior is Lucifer’s will.

      Pleases to me to be a pagan American Indian; my mind is not all messed up on the Lord.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • unashamed conservative
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:02pm

      Terri Schaivo is a poor example, as she demonstrated cognitive and emotional responses and based on other responses, it was determined that she did not suffer in pain. The reason for her condition was also still in question as she had an abusive spouse. I would have never supported murdering her.

      I’m so sorry that you are in a state of feeling “your mind is not all messed up in the Lord.” I will pray for your heart to be turned and your sight to be cleared. This has been a civil exchange. Thank you.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:03pm

      SLWOLFGRAM presents an oxymoron, “Prayer is always the answer to these kind of things.”

      Really! When was the last time you can factually document one of your prayers is answered?

      What you are suggesting is this. Grandma is lying there in a hospital bed suffering terribly,

      “Please, grandson, help me to die. I hurt so much, I’m going to die, I would rather die now than continue to suffer. Please help me to die. I want to join God up in Heaven.”

      “No way, Grandma! I will pray to God instead!”

      “Then pray I die soon to end my suffering, my dear grandson.”

      “Not a chance, Grandma! I am a good Christian. I will pray for you.”

      “Oh dear grandson of mine, would you do me a favor?”

      “Sure, Grandma, anything you want. I love you, Grandma!”

      “Grandson, drop dead you self-righteous jerk. Now get out of here.”

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Inuyasha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:14pm

      @ Dustyluv . . . Right on point!

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:22pm

      UNASHAMED CONSERVATIVE steps way off the Christian deep end, “Terri Schaivo is a poor example, as she demonstrated cognitive and emotional responses and based on other responses”

      This is literally impossible. Terri Schaivo had no brain, literally no brain. In her skull was nothing but mush and liquid. No brain.

      What you write is absolutely untrue.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7328639/

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • rockwell
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:08pm

      okpulots own words: Is not your passing judgment upon another playing God? Do you think yourself to be God?

      okpulots judgements of others:

      JOHN 654 is judgmental, “PLAYING GOD in his ROLE as a son.”

      DUSTY LUV thinks himself still a child, “You sir are a moron.”

      AKAMAIKAMAAINA sees clearly, “What hubris to presume to see with the eyes of God.”

      HARLEY 012 decides my fate, “I do not find the ‘killing with compassion’ mantra to be anything but evil. Is there any wisdom and discernment today?”

      I understand. Because you disagree with me you consider me to be evil and stupid.

      How mighty Christian of you.

      ME is judgmental, “I pay to God I am never a recipient of your kind of compassion as it seems to be far more about you then anyone else.”

      UNASHAMED CONSERVATIVE displays smarts, “You give a very convincing argument, and I’m sure the circumstances you describe were just as painful as you give witness.”

      UNTAMEABLE KATE is surprisingly childish, “That crap”

      UNASHAMED CONSERVTIVE continues to be reasonable, “taking your non-viable family member off artificial life support, then I do not see this as a murder.”

      UNASHAMED CONSERVATIVE steps way off the Christian deep end, “Terri Schaivo is a poor example, as she demonstrated cognitive and emotional responses and based on other responses”

      JOHN 654 thinks himself God, “I wonder why Caine didn’t have the ‘love or mercy’ to come back at midnight and do it himself.”

      judge much?

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    • Gunnerrk004
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:02pm

      What amazes me is you call it Christian to be compassionate by violating one of the most important commandments. The ends do not justify the means. It is wrong to murder period and is well documented in the Bible.

      Secondly, being a Cristian is all about Faith. Faith in God, in God’s miracles. God knows the number of every hair on your head, when you will be born and when you will die. He has a plan for each and every one of us and to prematurely end that right, that plan, is not Christian. I have seen first hand the blessings and miracles God delivers, including healing of the “sick and dying”. Who are we to even presume to defy what miracles God may have in store for the person.

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    • Country
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:02pm

      Okpulot Taha,

      The Terri Schaivo case had nothing to do with assisted suicide. Her husband took her of life support just as many people do every day for there loved ones. Her parents did not support his decision and that is why it was in the media. That is not considered killing somebody. Life starts at conception.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:10pm

      Rockwell gives a valuable index to OT hypocrisy. OT loves to use the banners of intellectual integrity and nonjudgmentalism in an attempt to make others ashamed of themselves, but a quick review of his own language indicates his own guiltiness of the same sin. Oh, let’s see. He calls one of his interlocutors a “childish boy,” compares another one to Victor Frankenstein, accuses another of being unfaithful to God, calls a fourth self-righteous, a fifth childish, a sixth (oh, this one’s really choice) a “wet slimy watery toad”; he admits he’s a “pagan American Indian,” and yet feels himself competent to lecture others on what true Christianity is. (Oh, and I would be loath not to mention his words to me on another thread, wherein he accused me of leaving a “wet mess” on his monitor screen. That one made me laugh.) And yet this is a man who just wants a rational debate? Seems to me that OT gets pretty flustered whenever someone has the AUDACITY! to tell him he’s wrong.

      Of course, there‘s a very sensible explanation for why it’s wrong to play God with other people’s lives: None of us is God. Now, we may **feel** that “mercy killing” (as we euphemistically call it) is all compassionate, and it may make us all warm and fuzzy inside that we “did the right thing,” and we may congratulate ourselves on our deep humanity. But God simply has not given us that authority. The Bible says “thou shalt not kill.” It doesn’t say, “thou shalt not kill, unless.” The authority over our life and our death is in the hands of God alone, whose knows what He is doing and whose wisdom and compassion far exceeds any of us (even one so wise and sage as Okpulot Taha).

      Hope that clarifies things. Always amusing to read OT’s words, however. Let him unleash as many on me as he so chooses. God speed, OT!

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:14pm

      @Country
      To be a bit more precise, they removed her feeding tube. She was breathing on her own, which illustrates that her brain–contrary to OT’s ridiculous claim–was not soup. If it were, she would have been unable to breathe.

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    • Country
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:18pm

      caitlynsdad,
      If Terry had a living well, we would of never heard of her in the news.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:34pm

      @Country
      That’s a good point, though sometimes living wills create ambiguity of their own because they can’t possibly address every potential situation. My grandmother had a living will, which indicated that she didn’t want any extraordinary measures or life support used to keep her alive. In her last years, she developed dementia, and my father was her executor and power of attorney. I remember a very painful conversation he had with me once where he noted that as dementia progresses one can lose the ability even to swallow. He asked me whether a feeding tube would be considered life support, saying that to just let her starve to death would be a very horrible death and he had all kind of trouble with that. Fortunately in her case, it never got that far. She developed pneumonia, and he and the doctors decided simply to leave the pneumonia untreated and give her medication to make her comfortable while she died. Hard decisions, and I sympathize with anyone who’s in that same situation; my own view just happens to be that you can let nature take its own course, but it‘s wrong to actively seek to terminate someone’s life, however much relief it might give you.

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    • Lone Wanderer
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:39pm

      You know, google gives some interesting results for Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation.

      Anyways, Ran across this battle of morals and figured I’d chime in. First thing’s first, Okpulot, you have a “purty way of putin’ words together,” but I can‘t help but feel that you’re just trying to antagonize these poor christians. Be that as it may, I am inclined to contribute. Death is something we all will encounter, be it our own or another’s, and it can be a traumatizing experience. Though I’m not a christian myself (agnostic), I feel things like abortions and assisted suicide are morally wrong in most cases. There is no reason that anyone should die an untimely reason, but alas we don’t live in a perfect world.

      Pain and suffering is something that should be considered, and prolonging someone‘s death with machinery is just extending that suffering if ultimately the individual’s condition can not be improved. I do know if If I’m rendered in a vegetative state, or have a terminal illness that leaves me in writhing in pain until the end of my days, something to ease my passage starts looking like a good proposition. I can’t say whether I would choose assisted suicide for the latter, as I’m not in that position (I have a living will that covers the former), but I understand how the circumstances could develop. The article dose not specify if the father consulted with the son about his death, but assuming that was not the case, it is a bit unnerving that some other person could be in charge of your fate. Wouldn’t you agree?

      And for all of the christians, I applaud you for standing with your convictions. I‘m sorry that we don’t see eye to eye on many issues, but I know that you mean well for the country. Besides, What fun is a one sided debate? ;-)

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 5:50pm

      Lone Wanderer states: And for all of the christians, I applaud you for standing with your convictions. I‘m sorry that we don’t see eye to eye on many issues, but I know that you mean well for the country.

      Here’s one Christian who appreciates these words a great deal. Too many times those with political or religious disagreements assume the worst motives of the other person, but here’s a person who is very charitable and wise about the matter. Thank you. You’re right–you as an agnostic, and myself as a Catholic, would not see eye to eye on very many issues. But I applaud you for understanding the integrity of our beliefs and motives. I believe the same of you. For what it may be worth to you–and not meaning to offend–but God bless you.

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    • Lone Wanderer
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:04pm

      CAITLYNSDAD,
      I appreciate the kind words, and yes, it is very unfortunate that we do not live in a more civilized time. I have been called many vile things for not being a Christian, it’s refreshing to see those people are in the minority. We must always be fair to one another, at least I try to be, but never be farad to defend what is in your heart.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:06pm

      LONE WANDERER wanders into my encampment, “You know, google gives some interesting results for Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation.”

      Yes, thousands and thousands of results. Try “purl gurl” sometime. Readers will find me all over the web fighting to bring both a conservative philosophy and honor back to America years before Glen Beck and Sarah Palin came along. Beck, Palin, staff writers here at The Blaze, they are all new kids on the block, mere children in my eyes, children who not yet combat ready; green recruits.

      I am the original Momma Grizzly. I am the egg which sticks to your teflon pan.

      LONE WANDERER walks about, “you have a “purty way of putin’ words together,”

      Books of mine were published back when most participants here were making peanut butter in their diapers. I take pride in being one of the original quill and ink writers, a word warrior.

      LONE WANDERER notice some here look like porcupines, “I can‘t help but feel that you’re just trying to antagonize these poor christians.”

      Much like my ancestors antagonized General Custer before making him look like a porcupine.

      “White eyes build big fire stand far away. Indian build small fire sit close.”

      This sage saying well exemplifies the mindset of an average Christian; mindlessly wasteful. Christians pile up a huge pyre of God’s words, strike and toss a kitchen match then exclaim,

      “Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”

      Christians practice a slash and burn philosophy believing all their fire and sparks somehow make them powerful, all the while Christians cannot see the heart of their fire being blinded by their own light and arrogant ignorance. Christians tend to be Biblical parrots; saying the words but not understanding.

      Indians build a small pragmatic fire which serves needed purpose and nothing more. We are realistic.

      LONE WANDERER pulls the plug on grandma, “Pain and suffering is something that should be considered, and prolonging someone‘s death with machinery is just extending that suffering if ultimately the individual’s condition can not be improved.”

      Artificial life support for circumstances like this is tantamount to water board torturing. Denying a dying person’s request to end life early is an act of cruel self-righteous arrogance. Delivering a baby into this world who will suffer and soon die is an act of gruesome evil.

      I find this a macabre mockery of faith for Christians to cite the “Word of God” from the Bible. This is not citing the word of God, this is arrogantly citing deceitful words of man who wrote a fictional story of Jesus and God for self-serving purpose. The Bible is simply a fictional work written by many men with an intent to hold power over people, nothing else. The Bible is a political manifesto.

      The word of God is found in the heart and in the mind, nowhere else. The word of God is found within and this is the last place Christians look for God.

      Christians are deceitful cowards. Christians look at a suffering person, a suffering baby, then in fright run off to seek a Bible rather than listen to their hearts which scream, “End this suffering.” Christians are not brave enough to do what is right, rather choose to do what is cowardly; think of themselves.

      LONE WANDERER hurts, “I do know if If I’m rendered in a vegetative state, or have a terminal illness that leaves me in writhing in pain until the end of my days, something to ease my passage starts looking like a good proposition.”

      Pain introduces people to reality. Pain falls Christians from their high white Ivory Towers. Pain is the slayer of all arrogance.

      LONE WANDERER questions fate, “it is a bit unnerving that some other person could be in charge of your fate. Wouldn’t you agree?”

      Yes, which is why I am fiercely opposed to Christians playing God with my life and the lives of my loved ones. Christians are psychotically bent upon making slaves of us all, from birth to death.

      LONE WANDERER claps his hands, “And for all of the christians, I applaud you for standing with your convictions.”

      Do remember to lay a wreath for the minds of those Christians who dare to mess with this Momma Grizzly. I sure won’t.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Lone Wanderer
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:12pm

      “Come into my parlor,” Said the spider to the fly.

      I can’t help but noticed that you were very thorough in responding to my post. In fact, you went to great length at responding to things I never brought up. I especially liked the bit about Custer. Now I’m not expert on the matter, but I do believe the battle at little big horn was won by the Sioux, but I digress…

      Call me crazy, but it sound like you REALY don’t like christians. In fact, I would venture to guess this is a personal issue. It almost sounds like you were hurt in some way by a christian. Loved one maybe? No normal person has that much hate in their heart for any group of people unless it’s personal. I suppose we’ll never find out. Another curiosity:

      “Readers will find me all over the web fighting to bring both a conservative philosophy and honor back to America years before Glen Beck and Sarah Palin came along. Beck, Palin, staff writers here at The Blaze, they are all new kids on the block, mere children in my eyes, children who not yet combat ready; green recruits.”

      Ms. Taha, jealousy is not becoming of you at all. Though you may consider Back and Palin “children,” for better or for worse, they are both household names. Though despite being up since 3 sept 2002:

      [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
      [whois.verisign-grs.com]

      Whois Server Version 2.0

      Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
      with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
      for detailed information.

      Domain Name: PURLGURL.NET
      Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
      Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
      Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
      Name Server: NS1.PURLGURL.NET
      Name Server: NS1.TWISTED4LIFE.COM
      Status: clientTransferProhibited
      Updated Date: 29-aug-2010
      Creation Date: 03-sep-2002
      Expiration Date: 03-sep-2015

      I don’t know anyone that boasts about “purl guru” being the premier avenue to advance conservative values. There are, however some interesting links to “artistic nudes”. No doubt you would provide a clever rebuttal, but I’m obligated to warn you that as you post more, you’re saying less every time.

      Oh, before I forget, What tittles did you have published, I’m eager to delve deeper into the mind of the author…

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:49pm

      LONE WANDERER dances upon my domain,

      Domain Name: PURLGURL.NET
      Name Server: NS1.TWISTED4LIFE.COM
      Creation Date: 03-sep-2002
      Expiration Date: 03-sep-2015

      I am sorting out this topic not being related to life and death choices.

      My presence on the net and subsequently the web dates back to the late Eighties. Earliest archive Google has for me is 1995, via defunct Deja Vu.

      All of this following transpires well before 2002 year.

      You see only the superficial story of Purl Gurl Net. There is a rather sordid story behind this. A famous Perl programmer, Randall Schwartz, attempted to force me off USENET for my being an infamous Perl programmer; I dared to question the religiously zealous nature of the Perl community. Randal went so far as to create Purl Gurl Net then claimed I could not use the moniker “purl gurl”. Schwartz tried to remove all my articles from USENET which is retroactive censorship; rewriting history much as the history of Christopher Columbus is rewritten. USENET is founded upon freedom of speech. USENET is the original internet.

      Randall made a mistake of stepping on the toes of an American Indian, specifically an ornery squaw, me. I got after him. Soon he found himself surrounded by thousands of USENET denizens looking to have his head on a pike for daring to attempt to censor out articles by his hand. He became loathed, he was shunned, his book sales fell off, his O’Reilly publisher got after him and he suffered constant ridicule, especially after his being outed as a convicted felon in Oregon; hacking. In essence, I squashed him like a bug. I am this fierce about our right to free speech.

      Subsequently, Randall issued a worldwide apology to me then offered to sell me Purl Gurl Net for a dollar. I suggested he pound sand. His registration for Purl Gurl Net expired, I purchase my domain the same day. Purl Gurl Net is mine ever since, and Randall is remembered for his attempt to play God on USENET. I enjoy infamy around the world; millions know me, some fear me.

      Existence of Purl Gurl Net is a reminder to thousands to never mess with my right to free speech and to never mess with an American Indian.

      LONE WANDERER, if you look in the right places, you will find me documented here on the internet back to 1995. I have been around a long, long while fighting for my and your conservative cause. I have earned a right to label almost all, including Beck and Palin, as new kids on the block. They are truly mere children compared to me when this comes to political activism.

      For trivia, what were Beck and Palin doing back in 1995? Staff writers here at The Blaze?

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:43pm

      LONE WANDERER takes notice, “I can’t help but noticed that you were very thorough in responding to my post. In fact, you went to great length at responding to things I never brought up.”

      Your responses are respectful. I am obligated to respond likewise. This is an aspect of my culture. If I do not respond to you, I bring dishonor upon myself, my family and my ancestors. You display respect, I must display respect in turn.

      LONE WANDERER needs to brush up on history, “I do believe the battle at little big horn was won by the Sioux….”

      No, many different tribes participated. Most annoying, the Crow served as scouts for Custer. However, the Crow did contribute to this folly of Custer.

      I understand your confusion. When I reference “my peoples” this is all American Indians. We are one peoples who are distinguished by tribe name; Apache, Hopi, Navajo, Choctaw, Cherokee and others. This is like White America is distinguished as northerners, southerners, Texans, Okies and such. White America is one peoples with cultural subdivisions usually denoted by geographical region.

      My peoples are nomadic. We do not traditionally have one geographic region per tribe. Of course our homes were taken away by Christians followed by death marches. Today, we sort ourselves by tribe rather than geographic region. America is our lands, America Indian is our peoples. Tribes are our families.

      LONE WANDERER concedes to being crazy like me, “Call me crazy, but it sound like you REALY don’t like christians.”

      No. I neither like nor dislike Christians. I weigh a person’s worth based upon deeds and actions. I do strongly object to theocratic tyranny which is what Christians intend to impose upon our America. My fierceness displayed here is objection to Christians playing God.

      LONE WANDERER forgets an important event, “It almost sounds like you were hurt in some way by a christian.”

      American Indian genocide perpetrated by Christians over four-hundred years. I know first hand what theocratic tyranny brings; death and destruction. This is a part of my American Indian culture which I think of each day. This is not a part of your culture, you rarely think of this.

      An example of first hand experience. I was born personal non grata, although born in Oklahoma. At birth, I was denied American citizenship and denied a right to vote. Many forget, especially Christians, there are Indians, such as me, who were and are directly harmed by lingering effects of the genocide and racism.

      I am curious, LONE WANDERER, a mental exercise for you. How would your thinking be changed knowing you were denied American citizenship and denied a right vote at birth?

      Another thought exercise. During my childhood, an uncle and I were refused service at a cafe because we would not sit in the “COLORED” section of this cafe. Would this have an impact upon you, would this change your current way of thinking?

      LONE WANDERER is bassackwards, “I’m obligated to warn you that as you post more, you’re saying less every time.”

      No, the more I write, the less you understand. As we discuss, I move into deeper more complex notions. We covered the basics, I am moving into areas which require deep thinking. I am not “saying less” rather you are falling behind.

      You see Indians on the surface. You do not see tribes. You do not see clans. You do not see families. You do not see individuals. You are still back there at Indians, I over here at clan level. You are not keeping up.

      LONE WANDERER asks a personal question, “What tittles did you have published, I’m eager to delve deeper into the mind of the author.”

      My nom de plume is the most closely guarded secret of mine. This will never be divulged even upon death. I want to be remember for who I am, not for the writer I am.

      You know Mark Twain. You do not know Samuel Clemens. I know Sam. He is my friend.

      Doubtful you would enjoy my books being mostly science fiction laced with romance, sordid sex and sinful behaviors. I am an irreverent authoress. However, a couple girlfriends do enjoy my story telling within a private place at my web site. They will never tell you of my stories; I will scalp them!

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:05pm

      @LoneWanderer
      It is sad that you have been called vile names for not being a Christian. Whoever called you those names is not behaving as one. As Christians, we are called to see Christ in everyone, even those who don’t believe in Him. All of us are made in the image of God; all of us–even those who deny Him, or who are not sure–are His children, and He loves all of them with a father’s love. I will pray for you, and for those Christians who do not live up to the best ideals of their faith.

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    • Lone Wanderer
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:58pm

      My appologies for casting you in an inappropriate light. I had a feeling that you were far younger then what you portrayed yourself. Though I still have my reservations, I won’t press the issue further. Being in a minority group myself though, I do understand what the forces of discrimination can do to a person, my age being the only limiting factor on the subject. To be fair, I don‘t know what it’s like to be denied citizenship, though I do recall my (liberal) history teacher telling his students native Americans gained citizenship in 1924. Yes, I did pull away from the original topic, but only because I wanted to pick apart your brain. You’re logic is… Unique, and I couldn’t miss the opportunity to engage in a bit of conversation. I can not say that I agree with your perspective on the world, but that’s the joys of living in a free society. To be honest, I like you. You are a definite contrast to the people on this board, please continue to contribute. It is a shame about the books though, I feel that I would have enjoyed reading them. ;-)

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    • Lone Wanderer
      Posted on October 12, 2010 at 12:14am

      CAITLYNSDAD,
      The ultimate irony is that it occurred in catholic school, but I bear no malice towards those people. Like you christians say, we are all sinners.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 12, 2010 at 2:00am

      LONE WANDERER serves as a case example, “I do recall my (liberal) history teacher telling his students native Americans gained citizenship in 1924.”

      Yes, I know. I set you up to prove a point and to remind you and readers I am not stupid rather am exceptionally well educated and highly adept at these games people so ignorantly play.

      You previously complain with each post I write less. This insults me. I counter you are falling behind. You are, in fact, falling behind and you serve as proof of your own failure to think well, like so many others here at The Blaze and around the web. Do I have your attention?

      You write, “citizenship in 1924”.

      This would have a good thinker immediately realize I am much too old to participate here in in such a vigorous and aggressive manner. I should be an age addled old woman. You know this is not true. Rather than chase after truth, you make an inane assumption; you did not take time to think.

      A good thinker would research this birth date and citizenship issue thoroughly to learn of truth which is this 1924 Snyder act granted citizenship at a federal level but not at a state level. Citizenship granted by this act was very limited; not all American Indians were granted citizenship.

      Citizenship and voting rights were denied to American Indians at a state level. Last state to grant citizenship and voting rights to my peoples was Maine in 1967.

      http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12in23.pdf

      I am curious about your wording, “I do recall my (liberal) history teacher telling his students….”

      This is “his” students but not you? Your use of “my” and “his” has you contradicting yourself in the same breath. This suggests to me not only do you not pay attention to what you read, you also do not pay attention to what you write.

      I do not “say less” with each post as you claim. You are falling behind and my plain view intellectual trap, which you stepped into, well exemplifies I am looking over my shoulder at you increasingly falling behind.

      My medicine animal, Coyote, is teaching you a lesson in humility, a biting lesson.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 12, 2010 at 6:20pm

      @Lone
      That is the ultimate irony, because Catholics in particular should know better, constantly being as they are on the receiving end of it from (certain) Protestants. Even right here on the Blaze I‘ve been all but told I could end up in Hell because I’m Catholic and I supposedly worship pagan deities. (I always find it amusing when someone who doesn‘t know me tries to tell me what god I’m “really” worshipping.) LOL, I’m used to it, though. Nothing I haven’t heard before.

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    • RAISINGCONSERVATIVES
      Posted on October 12, 2010 at 7:05pm

      True Christian faith is knowing that God will take care of the situation. Destroying LIFE, no matter what stage it is in, is denying that God has complete control, and denying God the glory of the many blessings that can come out of what we may consider a tragedy.

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  • RobertCA
    Posted on October 11, 2010 at 7:05am

    I pray & I hope that no one gets any kind of unbearable pain .

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    • WVRob
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:26am

      He should have just taken a pillow and did the job himself “just like any good son would”… right???

      Let’s just make a list of everyone that we feel is OK to kill, and start with has been actors.

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    • WestOfThePecos
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 9:45am

      Everyone should have a healthcare power of attorney well documented for clarity so no one else needs to make a decision on your behalf.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:07am

      My mother who had a bad liver since childhood just passed away this July.. she didn’t tell us they had found a spot on her liver as well 6 years ago..Unlike a unfeeling actor who couldn’t manage to be there holding his fathers hand when he passed my mothers whole family was with her holding her hand.. telling her they loved her..It was strange after she decided that she was going to have dialysis so she could come home and die (an option gave to us by one doctor and nixed by the other) we left and less than an hour her blood pressure dropped without having any treatment.. I in my gut feel the doctors did something when we left since she was praying with us just prior.. She rallied long enough to talk to us she was fighting..Never could I tell them to KILL my mother.. nor imagine as hard as it still is not to be with her when she passed..only someone who’s a coward would not be with a loved one at the end if possible and this ACTOR(?) is a coward and not a loving son..

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:32am

      Independernt, similar thing happened to my Dad. He had a living will. He went to the hospital. I talked to the DR and reminDed him of the living will. I said honor that document. IF he didn’t, I would bring a legal case. My Dad died about 6 hours later. Just the week before a similar thing happened and the cost was $75,000 ALMOST PAID FOR by Medicare. That was for just 3 days. When I asked one doctor about using a speach therepist to help my near comotose Dad to get him to speak, he asked why are you concwerned? It’s being paid for by Medicare.

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    • KingArthurUp
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:44am

      can we start with never been actors like Sean Penn and Tim Robbins instead?

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    • w4jle
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:13pm

      Okpulot Taha,
      Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. When you have to post so many rebuttals to support your position do you not think that you may be out of the mainstream? Believe what you want, but all your protestations does not make you position right. Life is precious and I am surprised that with your claimed Indian heritage you did not learn this growing up.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:21pm

      Why? Unless his father wanted to die.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:49pm

      Extraordinary measures need not be taken for the dying but to kill them outright is murder. There are various strong medications available for terminally ill patients’ pain. I saw a report where some European people feel the need to have body guards stay with them in European hospitals lest some doctor may feel the need to kill the patient. They don’t trust the doctors. How can you ask a doctor to heal you one day and then kill you the next. Isn’t that trashing the hippocratic oath? Hospitals and doctors must focus all their efforts in healing the sick. Isn’t that why they became a doctor?

      I can see where governments who furnish health care and retirement would want to get rid of sick and old people. Just think of how much money that would save the government. No more medical payments and no more retirement checks. I can easily see why a government would be motivated to get rid of sick and old people. The government would likely find someone like Dr. Kivorkian to run the program. Maybe this is Obama’s end goal to balance the budget.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:52pm

      So, in 1956 Michael Caine acted in a compassionate manner towards his towards his terminally ill father:

      > Caine’s father Maurice Micklewhite died at the age of 56 in 1955 after suffering
      > from liver cancer.

      But assisted suicide wasn’t a crime in the U.K. until 1961:

      > Assisted suicide is a crime under Britain’s 1961 Suicide Act, The Guardian reports,
      > and carries a sentence of up to 14 years. But the Director of Public Prosecutions
      > Keir Starmer has said a person is unlikely to be prosecuted if they are acting for
      > compassionate, unselfish, and non-malicious reasons.

      So what is the issue? I mean it’s interesting, I’m glad I know it, but there really isn’t an issue here, other than he acted consistent with his beliefs 5 years before is was made a crime.

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