Afghan President Endorses Shocking ‘Code of Conduct’ for Women That Allows Wife-Beating
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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghanistan’s president on Tuesday endorsed a “code of conduct” issued by an influential council of clerics that activists say represents a giant step backward for women’s rights in the country.
President Hamid Karzai‘s Tuesday remarks backing the Ulema Council’s document, which allows husbands to beat wives under certain circumstances and encourages segregation of the sexes, is seen as part of his outreach to insurgents like the Taliban.
Both the U.S. and Karzai hope that the Taliban can be brought into negotiations to end the country’s decade-long war. But activists say they’re worried that gains made by women since 2001 may be lost in the process.
When the Taliban ruled Afghanistan prior to the 2001 U.S. invasion, girls were banned from going to school and women had to wear burqas that covered them from head to toe. Women were not allowed to leave their homes without a male relative as an escort.
The “code of conduct” issued Friday by the Ulema Council as part of a longer statement on national political issues is cast as a set of guidelines that religious women should obey voluntarily, but activists are concerned it will herald a reversal of the trend in Afghanistan since 2001 to pass laws aimed at expanding women’s rights.
Among the rules: Women should not travel without a male guardian and women should not mingle with strange men in places like schools, markets or offices. Beating one’s wife is prohibited only if there is no “Shariah-compliant reason,” it said, referring to the principles of Islamic law.
Asked about the code of conduct at a press conference in the capital, Karzai said it was in line with Islamic law and was written in consultation with Afghan women’s groups. He did not name the groups that were consulted.
“The clerics’ council of Afghanistan did not put any limitations on women,” Karzai said, adding: “It is the Shariah law of all Muslims and all Afghans.”
Karzai‘s public backing of the council’s guidelines may be intended to make his own government more palatable to the Taliban, or he may simply be trying to keep on the good side of the Ulema Council, who could be valuable intermediaries in speaking to the insurgents.
But either way, women‘s activists say that Karzai’s endorsement means that existing or planned laws aimed at protecting women’s rights may be sacrificed for peace negotiations.
“It sends a really frightening message that women can expect to get sold out in this process,” said Heather Barr, an Afghanistan researcher for New York-based Human Rights Watch.
Shukria Barikzai, a parliamentarian from the capital Kabul who has been active in women’s issues, said she was worried that Karzai and the clerics‘ council appeared to be ignoring their country’s own laws.
“When it comes to civil rights in Afghanistan, Karzai should respect the constitution,” Barikzai said. The Afghan constitution provides equal rights for men and women.
The exception for certain types of beatings also appears to contradict Afghan law that prohibits spousal abuse. And the guidelines also promote rules on divorce that give women few rights, a real turnaround from pledges by Karzai to reform Afghan family law to make divorces more equitable, Barr said.
“This represents a significant change in his message on women’s rights,” she said.
Afghan women’s rights activist Fatana Ishaq Gailani, founder of the Afghanistan Women’s Council, said she feels like women’s rights are being used as part of a political game.
“We want the correct Islam, not the Islam of politics,” Gailani said. She said she supported negotiations with the Taliban, but that Afghanistan’s women should not be sacrificed for that end.
Hadi Marifat of the Afghanistan Human Rights and Democracy Organization, which surveyed 5,000 Afghan women for a recent report on the state of women’s rights in Afghanistan, argued that the statements show Karzai is shifting more toward the strictest interpretations of Shariah law.
“In the post-Taliban Afghanistan, the guiding principle of President Karzai regarding women’s rights has been attracting funding from the international community on one hand, balanced against the need to get the support of the Ulema Council and other traditionalists on the other,” Marifat said.
“The concerning thing is that now this balance is shifting toward the conservative element, and that was obvious in his statement.”
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Comments (148)
Chromo200
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:52pmI hate to say this, but pull all the troops out of Afghanistan. I know this will give Urkle another feather in his cap of how he brought the troops home. let Karzi figure out how he is going to survive the Taliban. And no he can’t come to America.
And the liberals believe that the muslims love freedom and peaceful living. Wait till sharia law gets woven into our laws and there will be no discussion on free condoms, free sex, and or being gay or lesbian.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:56pmI’m with you on Hamid, what a duplicitous crook.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:58pmBring the troops home from Afganistan, put them in the border to stop the flow while we build a fence. Then we can start talking about serious immigration reform by making legal immigration easier.
Report Post »obama2012uknowit217
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:59pmAs long as it dont happen over here. Who cares?
Report Post »momrules
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:03pmLet Urkle get his feather. Enough is enough, but before they leave have the soldiers give every woman and girl a gun and amunition. They might just do what our military hasn’t been allowed to do, destroy the Taliban.
Report Post »KenInIL
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:03pmPres. O should advise Karzai to implement chastity belts (crotch locks) for men, so women can dress in comfortable clothing. It’s the men with the uncontrollable urges not the women.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:04pmModerationIsBest
Report Post »You are a conservative!
ModerationIsBest
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:13pm@DMERWIN
I think both sides have good points and bad points, which is why I classify myself as more an independent then Republican/Democrat, Conservative/Liberal.
You probably wouldn’t agree with me on on how to approach the individuals who are here illegally, but that doesn‘t mean our Government can’t come together to work on a legitimate solution.
I agree with Newt that you can’t just go around rounding up people and deporting them. Not only wouldn’t it make sense financially, but you would be so flooded with Constitutionality lawsuits that you would never get anywhere.
I think there is a legitimate solution for a pathway to citizenship for the people who are already here illegally but I agree that the FIRST step to any legitimate, long term solution is to completely secure the border with a more reliable fence + constant troop defense.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:14pm@MOMRULES
Okay, giving a gun to every Afghan woman is a hilarious idea to think about.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:19pm@ Momrules
Report Post »I love it.
dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:26pmModerationIsBest
Report Post »I might surprise you. I travel to Mexico every year and absolutely love the people there. I do not think that people who broke the law get to jump the line.
My proposal is for a guest worker card that is issued ONLY in US consulates and embassies outside of the US i.e. you cannot get one here. You would have to leave the country to get one.
The country of origin would have to affirm no violent crimes. There would be a biometric component on the card either thumb print or retinal scan.
Each employer MUST have copy of the card on file, must pay minimum wage and health care for the worker (and family if accompanied). The employer would pay a property tax offset to fund education.
The employer would pay a minimum $10,000 fee for every illegal employee. Quickly self policing.
The worker could be eligible for citizenship with in 5 years IF they speak English and maintain a clean record (which is quite a feat for some of our citizens now). These are the people we want here.
Fairly simple and easy to implement and enforce. I think it is a sin that it takes up to 7 years to obtain a green card and need to pay a lawyer to help you do it.
TheBurningTruth
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:34pm“Mom Rules” is a bit ignorant about how deep the brainwashing of islime really is. Most of the woman in those countries actually LIKE the system. They feel catered to and believe in that system. The fact that we westerners believe in equal rights for women does NOT translate to women steeped in moo-slime culture. In most cases, any guns and ammo left to “women and girls” will immediately be turned over to the men anyway. Don’t be thinking that most of the women in moo-slime countries are secretly pinning for a western style life. Most of them think the women here are depraved because of their dress and desire to “be like a man”.
Before anyone attacks me on my comments, note that I’m NOT condemning western women, just pointing out the very deep cultural divide between the west and islime. Anyone not taking that into account is bound to be very disappointed in whatever the eventual outcome is.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:42pmI agree … just let it turn back into the hell hole it has always been .. get our people out NOW! And Mom .. girls with guns .. I LOVE IT!
Report Post »momrules
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:46pmTheburningtruth………I disagree and I am well versed on the cult of Islam but no one will ever convince me that any woman anywhere likes being beaten. Or having acid thrown in their faces, or their sisters or daughters stoned or burned alive in school houses or the many other abuses these “men” throw at them.
Report Post »Women just have no choice in these backwater hell holes. Give them a choice and let’s see what they choose.
CobraBill
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:48pmWe spent all that money, lost so many lives for this?
Report Post »Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. They are all the same.
No more aid, not one dime, or one more life.
I do not understand why we try to rebuild. It will never work in that part of the world.
MIBUGNU2
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:52pmWHERE are all the WOMANS RIGHTS activists ??? crickets,
Report Post »chirp,chirp,chirp….hello, hello !!!!
MIBUGNU2
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 6:07pmOK,So they want to go back to the way it was when we got there.
Report Post »SOOOOOOO, we have just been “Pis*in’ Up A Rope” for 10 years.
Yep, This is Obama’s “Good War”..should have left after we got
Obama Bin Ladin…GOOD GRIEF, Get Out NOW !!!!!!! I wouldn’t
waste another Dime….
Grey Eagle
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 6:14pmAfghanistan is a crappy barbaric country who abuses their children and women. It will never change. We are wasting our time, money, and troops there. It is time to get the hell out of there.
MIBUGNU2
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 6:19pmEveryone knows women wear burkas, So no one can see how
Report Post »badly they have been beaten..and to give the taliban something
to wear when they come to town…just for a visit, Ya know !!
MIBUGNU2
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 6:36pmGAWD DAMN !! as a former Marine I NEVER thought I would on
The anti-war side…But WE have to get out of that Swillhole, Obama
is NOT there to WIN…..What are we doing there,, We don’t need to
lose ONE MORE MAN…..Load em’ up, Move em’ out…OORAH !!!!!
jhaydeng
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 7:20pmI am so glad that we made a difference there! I feel terrible for the soldiers that had to endure there and then hear this crap! I just had a friend get deployed back to Af-stan! I hope and pray for safety!
Report Post »EddardinWinter
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 7:37pmHeadline says “shocking”. But is it really? Just what I would expect. Get our boys home now! Freaking animals have no honor or respect for their own mothers. Think about that!
dpmeek71
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 8:05pmAs a soldier I’ve always believed we are doing something noble and we are. The problem is the people we are trying to help, for the most part, don’t care. Like every other medic I’m tired of seeing good men put in plastic for the ride home. How many promising lives have we lost on these ungrateful people? As a Christian I see other Christians having no more peace than before we got there. In fact, the U.S. Government has aided the oppressors in Iraq and Afghanistan. I‘m proud of the Army and all the other branches but I’m ashamed of our Government this administration and the last.May God help us al.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 9:19pmYou are right Chromo. There is nothing we can do there. As for the move in Libya, our president handed over those people to the Muslim Brotherhood for the sake of having a dictator who was indifferent to Israel removed. They didn’t remove him because he was murdering his own people. For Afghanistan, nothing will change, especially when our own country attempts to negotiate with the Taliban. There is no negotiation. As for beatings compliant with Shariah law—well if you read what the permissions are, it’s for ANYTHING. If they SUSPECT a woman MAY disobey them in the future or lie to them in the future, it’s permissable. Women are nothing but property there.
Report Post »db321
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 4:17amHey Afghanistan Women you think you have problems. The Women in America have much bigger problem – Women in our Colleges can not afford Birth Control and the Catholic Church is refusing not to pay for them. What is a beating now and then – try going to College without having sex.
Rightallalong
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 9:09amSad that it has taken all these years and all these lives for the ‘Conservatives’ to figure out that this war is a waste. We should have been in and out of Agfagastan (intentional spelling) in 6 weeks. We shoudl have killed as many Taliban as we could find and got the hell out. As we found more we go back, kill them and get out. You CANNOT try to force democracy on a people that do not want it … or even understand it. Democracy requires responsibility which is why our Republic is rapidly failing – our welfare class does not want freedom, they just want FREE.
Our new National motto should be DOn’t Give me Liberty, just Gimme Gimme Gimme!!
So long America – it was a good try
Report Post »robert
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 10:18am“Wait till sharia law gets woven into our laws and there will be no discussion on free condoms, free sex, and or being gay or lesbian.”
You’ve got that right on. If there is a religion that is truly extreme and has tenets based on injustice, cruelty and death, it is Islam, yet for the most part homosexuals have nothing bad to say about them. And the other radicals on the left are silent as well, even though some of the religious beliefs that are part of Christianity are hysterically condemned by these same people. In fact the entire left defends Muslims even when they’re legitimately criticized for inciting violence in this country.
If sharia law was the law if the land, women like Fluke wouldn’t be sitting in front of politicians and the press lamenting that the government should pay for her sex. She would be wrapped from head to toe in a burqua and not allowed to be seen in the compay of men unless they were a relative.
The ultimate payback to homosexuals and far left zealots would be to force them to live in Islamic society.
JMorcan
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 11:27amI have no respect left for either his government or this one. Corruption and cruelty are despicable no matter where they occur.
Report Post »ms.sandman
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:49pm“appeared to be ignoring their country’s own laws.” Gee, where have I seen this before?
Another thing. Islam says that you can beat a woman because she needs discipline. She will welcome it. But do not beat her in the face to make her ugly…(no kidding people)
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:54pmBut do not beat her in the face to make her ugly…(no kidding people)
Thus the Burqa
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:59pmYou are quite correct! Yet they throw acid into the faces of women they cannot have. Twisted, sick way of life.
This set of rules is NO different fm what the Saudi women endure. It’s straight-up Shariah.
Dogs return to their vomit.
B-Neil
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:48pmIt would be nice to pull all our troops out, cut all political ties, blockaid the entire region and let then rot away by themselves. Just a thought. Just a wish. GOD BLESS AMERICA and INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM
Report Post »ConnieK
Posted on July 8, 2012 at 4:09pmAbsoutely!!
Report Post »momsense
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:47pmOUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more American blood for these barbarians !
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:47pmHere we go several interesting aspects to this story:
Report Post »1. Will we have real moral outrage from “women’s rights activists” and the ladies from the View? Maybe Hamid can appear on the View they can bring back Rosie for a guest appearance.
2. How about the state congress of Minnesota chiming in. Or Congressman Ellison.
3. This is what happens when you “negotiate” with radical muslims, aka the Taliban. Rose-Ellen I fully expect you to defend the proud warriors of Jihad’s right to beat their women.
4. What next? No school? Arranged marriages between adult males and under 14 year old girls?
Three cheers for the religion of peace exerting their Sharia Rights.
dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:53pmI almost forgot to mention. Who is looking out for their “reproductive rights”? This kind of helps to put things in perspective.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:01pmI have a funny feeling all we’ll hear from Rosie-Ellen will be crickets.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:07pmSREGN
Report Post »She is fairly selective about her posts. Now if this were a Palestinian story! Though she has shown firm support for the Mujaheddin and the Talibs in the past. I just want her to be consistent. Can’t have it both ways.
bankerpapaw
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:45pmThese people are so backward it is pathetic. We treat our dogs much better than they treat their
Report Post »women.
MIBUGNU2
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 6:52pmSheriff Joe will see you locked up if you beat your DOG !!!
Report Post »here in Arizona.. Ok to beat your wife..NAAA,just kidding.
but MCSO will lock up your azz, if you do beat an animal..
and that’s OK with Me… LUV YA JOE !!!!!!
bassist237
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:43pm“his outreach to insurgents like the Taliban”
Here is a clue to idiots out there, YOU DON’T OUTREACH TO TERRORIST. You KILL them, bottom line. They do not deserve the satisfaction of ANYTHING, don’t believe me? Go watch a beheading by any terrorist organization, and tell me that they do not deserve anything less then an extremely painful ticket to their ALLAH. Rid the world of these rats that are infesting everyone else’s way of life with their mental midget beliefs.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:00pmNo you can reach out with either 62 or 147 grains of lead and copper. Nearly instant conversion to your argument if delivered at 3100 or 2800 fps respectively.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:08pmSorry I guess we are saying the same thing.
Report Post »Tandem2011
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:40pmThe Koran says (chapter on Women):
Report Post »“Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God hath gifted the one above the other….Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband’s absence….But chide those for whose refractoriness ye have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them…”
Mark0331
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 6:50pmSatan wrote the Koran.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 2:44amThe picture with the women in the burkas even brings slavery to mind. They wear these like chains. Jesus, who tears down walls (even the wall that separated us from God, making a doorway through Him).
It is unbelievable how we can understand everything that is going on through scripture. God intended that as a very special gift to us.
Is 25:7 And on this mountain He will swallow up the *covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is *stretched over all nations. 8 He (Jesus) will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord *GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken. (the father of lies blinds and enslaves)
And you know what the most hopeful book in the Bible is? Jonah. I pray that the people of Nineveh (now the world) listen and repent. But I don’t think that is what is going to happen. But I do believe that a HUGE revival will spring forth. It’s just that so many hearts are becoming more and more hardened, even as many are waking up and seeing the Lord. But we are here for those who will hear it, and believe in the Transforming Truth of Christ.
Report Post »Razorhunters
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:40pmdam, we sure are spreading the democracy…
bring our loved ones home…time to end the bs.
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:55pmI second that
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:39pmAs usual – assinine, ignorant, gullible American beliefs about Islam and staying in these Islamic countries like this thinking things could get better. Karzai is right – ALL Muslims (including them) believe in Sharia law and this includes the disrespect of women & their subjugation to men. The women’s rights people are only arguing for more “lenient” laws about it – but they are still Sharia and horrible.
We will NEVER be able to make the Taliban stop their violent attacks, etc. This is all beyond ridiculous. When will we ever wake up?
Book – “God’s War on Terror” by ex-Muslim terrorist, Walid Shoebat
Report Post »momrules
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:23pmMom……..I don‘t think some folks will wake up until it’s too late but we can never let up on spreading the word about Islam. I’ve been laughed at, called a racist and ridiculed in the past for my stance on Islam but over time even those people are seeing that I was right.
Report Post »We can never allow Sharia in America.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:38pm.
I learned about wife beating a long time ago from my friend Ray. He came home a little drunk slapped Donna she waited til he passed out. Then they had one of those “Come to Jesus Meetings”, she beat him with a baseball bat. 10 days in ICU gives a guy time to think as he put it. They’re still married.
So all you Agfag women can learn something from my friend Donna……
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:49pmNice parable.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:57pmThe Louisville slugger sounds good compared to Lorena’s Denutting Knife
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:38pm“Tuesday endorsed a “code of conduct” issued by an influential council of clerics that activists say represents a giant step backward for women’s rights in the country.”
Don‘t you have to have women’s rights before you can take a giant step backward?
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:36pmHow can you take someone, who wears a hat that either looks like he’s ready to take your order for a cherry phosphate or check your oil, seriously?
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:39pmThat there is funny
Report Post »DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:36pmBring our troops home now and let them have a civil war and kill each other off.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:35pmSharia Law=anti woman…will these countries ever move away from the dark ages…coming to a state near you (minnesota)…what the heck does sharia law have to do with America…we already resolved the issue of all men/women are created equal…can’t believe any state in America would even consider this.
Report Post »blkbelt7
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:35pmsoooo….how’s this religion of peace working…..
Report Post »marcus_arealius
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:35pmTake point lefties, this could be coming to a locale near you. I‘m looking for the ’Sharia Wife Beating Guide’, so I know how to advise all you married lefty men what is the ‘Correct Islam’ method of beating your wife. Do any of you have a copy?
Report Post »libertytreecaretaker
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:34pmWe must leave these SAVAGES to devore themselves!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:34pmDidn’t realize they had trailer parks in Afghanistan?!?!?
Report Post »xoke
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:33pmMore fun from the religion of peace.
Report Post »Tandem2011
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:33pmThis “shocking code of conduct” is actually endorsed in the Koran in the surah on Women. Do your homework!
Report Post »Americain
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:32pmWhy isn‘t the Left asking for Karzai’s resignation?
Report Post »Oh wait, he’s not a republican. Sorry.
heavyduty
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:32pmThat’s another reason to leave them the hell alone and let them kill each other off.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:31pmLeave Afghanistan NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »These savages won’t make any progress towards civilization .
libertytreecaretaker
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:36pmI second that!
Report Post »xoke
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:38pmAgreed. Let them remain cave dwellers indefinitely. It was a nice try, some backasswards folks just don’t like freedom, we must accept that.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:54pmYep, a religion founded by a mass murdering, misogynistic pedophile, what could possibly go wrong?
Jesus never harmed a soul. Nor did he compel his followers to do so either.
I see no reason to stop muslims from killing other muslims.
Get out of all muslim nations now! let their self inflicted culling continue unabated.
Arm Israel to the teeth, let them pull the trigger, push the button.
Drill here, drill now, Nuclear power, natural gas infrastructure, no exportation of domestic oil!
Never buy another drop of islamic oil. They will sell it to china and India, let them defend the mohammedans.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 4:28pmThe TRUE WAR on WOMEN. DEMOCRAT’s love sharia.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on March 6, 2012 at 5:13pmI think Muslim men don’t have sex with their wife(s) out of love or desire. I think it’s a dominance thing… like men in prison. Women are born catchers. Oh yes, I almost forgot, and to make more Muslims.
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