Afghanistan Ambassador: Withdrawing Prematurely Could Lead to ‘Another 9/11′
- Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:22pm by
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Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, said that Sunday’s attacks on Western embassies in Afghanistan only confirm that the U.S. must finish its mission in the country, and not withdraw early.
(Related: Taliban Claims Responsibility as Coordinated Explosions Rip Through Capital)
Despite American aversion to the war, he maintains that the risks of early departure are unacceptable and could even mean “another 9/11.”
“Attacks like this demonstrate why we need to be here,” he said on CNN’s State of the Union.
“To get out before the Afghans have a full grip on security, which is a couple of years out, would be to invite the Taliban and Al Qaeda back in and set the stage for another 9/11. And that, I think, is an unacceptable risk for any American.”
However, Crocker praised the progress of the Afghan security forces, saying they already “pretty much have the situation under control.”
“We’ve seen a very professional performance by Afghan security forces. They are able to deal with events like this on their own — a clear sign of progress.”
The Taliban claim that it will soon launch an “assault” of even larger attacks, but Crocker said the Taliban is good at “issuing statements,” but not as good at fighting.
“Frankly, I don‘t think the Taliban’s good enough” to carry out such a widespread assault, at this point, he said.
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Comments (121)
Pursuing Liberty
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:50amWe can’t seem to get out of wars that we never should have gotten into in the first place. They go on and on and on and on and… If we wanted to win, we could. We could crush that backwards country tomorrow. For some reason they want to let our men and women stay over there and get killed. We keep getting into one war after another. I say, send our elected officials over there and put them in harms way. It is way to easy to sign a piece of paper when it‘s not your blood that it’s written in. Don’t get me wrong. I am as patriotic as the next guy. I would be willing stand up and defend my God, my family, and my country if the cause was a just one. Sometimes war is necessary. I get it. And I fully support the US military. I think they are absolutely amazing. I am so thankful for all they do. But something has to be done to cease this endless cycle of madness. War is being used as a political tool of both parties. They sell the propaganda and sucker us into buying it. I, for one, am sick of it. I don’t care how the election turns out. I’m writing in Ron Paul.
Report Post »Pursuing Liberty
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:05amVote military industrial complex. Vote big bankers. Vote big government. Vote more of the same. Vote Mitt Romney!
Report Post »originalthought
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:55amIf you Ron Pauler’s would stop acting like political two year old you might get more support. If Obama wins what have you accomplished? I too feel a different approach should be used. But rather than allow the killers of 3000 of our innocent civilians to be slaughtered by peaceful Muslims and no action taken, if there is ever another attack the vicious tribal area it emanated from should be made into a sheet of glass sheet with a few well placed neutron bombs and no lose of our service men’s lives. I thinks it would be more more cost efficient too. Ever wonder why these large scale terrorist attacks never happen to China?
Report Post »ColoradoProudAmerican
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:34am@ OriginalThought What do you mean if us Ron Paul supporters would stop acting like 2 year olds? You should support Ron Paul because you love your country. Don’t you get it? To a RP supporter, there is no difference between Obama or Romney. The horse said it himself. “The only thing Republican about me is that’s how I registered” Ron Paul would have more supporters if neocons like the person who owns this site would quit lying about Pauls chance of winning. Truth is, Paul is the only one who can beat Obama. Romney is another puppet for the special interests and political elite. They all want us to be slaves, and rid us of what it really means to be free. And believe this, we’re on the brink of truly losing that feeling. So I’ll 2nd what the poster above you said, and add a little more truth to it, “Vote military industrial complex. Vote big bankers. Vote big government. Vote more of the same. Vote Mitt Romney! Vote Obama!”
Report Post »johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 6:18amTell Crocker to go peddle his “crock” some other place.
Are you trying to convince me that when we have a US President eating dinner with members of the Muslim Brotherhood IN THE WHITE HOUSE, that I should be concerned about EXTERNAL THREATS?
We have to grab this mess by the throat and shake the treason out of it!
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 6:39am@Pursuing Liberty
“I’m writing in Ron Paul.”
The only reason that you would vote for 0bama in that back door manner is because you either hate America or that you are completely ignorant about what 0bama is doing.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 7:47am.
Report Post »Withdrawing Prematurely could have stopped Obama……………….
TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 8:39amRon Paul crowd and the Dem talking points… standard fare…
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:44amHow do you win a War on Terror? That’s a question no one has bothered to ask. You could nuke the entire Middle East until it turns to glass, and all you will be left with is even more enemies thirsting for our blood. What is the point at which we can say we won?
Report Post »Pearsontech
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:22pmSo your voting for Obama then?? Ok well just so you know that when you write in Dr. Paul‘s name or anyone else’s name for that matter all you are really doing is voting for Obama. So when we get four more years of this crap because you want to protest and write in candidates don‘t say nobody didn’t tell you so.
Report Post »ColoradoProudAmerican
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:56pm@ Pearsontech, No… You are voting for Obama if you don’t vote for Dr. Paul. There is no way Mitt has any chance in hell convincing, not only the RP supporters, but the independents, and moderate liberals to get excited about him being in the white house. By choosing the establishment, you are aiding in the destruction of this country. How can you, and other neocons be so damn blind and accepting to the myth that republicans and democrats are offering you a choice? Our monetary and foreign policies don’t change from president to president. And this country just gets worse and worse. I will not be a part of putting a liberal in office. Regardless of what they call themselves.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 9:36pmColoradoProudAmerican
Report Post »You cannot advance your agenda if you cannot get elected. Most Blazers agrees with the good Doctor on the fed. However, he could not in 24 years as a congressman, convince the Senate and Congress to make those changes. Do you think that should someone wave a magic wand and miracle him into the presidency he would have any ability to fix that? At the current time he has about 5-7 per cent of the Republican voters on his side. Do you really see any big government liberals undergoing a conversion? Not going to happen.
dmerwin
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 9:38pmColoradoProudAmerican
Report Post »So how with about 7 per cent backing of Republicans do you see Paul getting elected. Do you think the 99% are going small government in November?
ColoradoProudAmerican
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 2:57am@dmerwin
Report Post »We can either stick to the status quo, or not. If Paul becomes president, he will bring our troops home. He will have that authority. And if that’s all that gets done, well then that’s a great start in the right direction. It will save us a bunch of money too. How do I suppose he will get elected? Well, he offers something to everyone. Mitt only offers up the thought of goods to the establishment backed right. Obama only offers up the thoughts of good to the establishment left. And Paul has something for everyone. That‘s how I know he’s going to be elected. I’m not 100% sure whos polls you’ve been reading, but I’m sure they are wrong. He has a great deal of support. Fox News did a piece called “Wheres Ron Paul?” On that same day, he spoke to almost 9,000 people in California. He has a lot more support than the lame stream media would like anyone to believe.
Pearsontech
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 10:52am@COLORADOPROUDAMERICAN I’m sorry I guess I missed the part where Ron Paul has enough people supporting him to actually win an election. I would vote for RP if it were not for his stance on foreign policy sorry but in that I 200% disagree with him. Letting Iran get a nuke would be the end the US. Sitting back and waiting for them to attack is suicide because make no mistake they will attack. Financially he is right on. The other reason I couldn’t bring my self to support the guy is because of hateful people like you running around calling everyone neo-con’s and cussing at people. Sorry just not the kind of crowd I wish to associate myself with. You are hurting your cause more than you are helping it.
Report Post »ColoradoProudAmerican
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 12:03pm@Pearsontech Ok lol just wow. I’d sure like for you to point out where I was cussing at people. And just how am I hateful? Neocons are Neocons Iran doesn‘t have enough fuel to supply it’s own people to run their vehicles, I’m not worried about them being a threat to us or Israel. And you shouldn’t be either. Hell all the terrorists have been able to muster up is a couple of failed attempts with sticking crap in their underwear and their shoes. Come on…. Study the history of Iran. They have no desire to destroy their country. They haven’t invaded anyone in over 200 years. They are self preservationists. Are you really scared of a govt who knows it would be stupid to attack the US or any of our allies? Come on buddy. Please stop watching Fox News and Glenn Beck. This is about saving our country, not about who or what looks good by association. Just remember Mitts own words “The only thing republican about me is thats how I registered” (im paraphrasing there) Come on guy. You are being lead by the carrot of fear. Please wake up.
Report Post »Pearsontech
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 3:34pm@COLORADOPROUDAMERICAN no point in debating this with you. You obviously are going to be blind as far as I am concerned and you will say that same about me. So when Iran that btw does have the ability to do more than you think it does detonates a nuke over our skies and all your electrical power goes out I guess you will figure it out. For your information I didn’t vote for Romney in the primary but I sure would take him over the jack weed that is in office now. Just like if for some reason Ron Paul got the nomination I would would vote for him in the general election over Obama even with Ron‘s foreign policy that I don’t agree with. I would vote for an orange over Obama if the orange was on the ballot legitimately. You go ahead and stick your head in the sand and believe that Iran can’t touch you, I could careless. I don’t watch Fox news, I barely listen to Beck or anyone. I do listen to my God and my lord and savior and I do heed his words, and every bit of this is foretold already.
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:50amBiggest issue today–defeat Obamus defeatus in November…By far. Concerning the middle east–warn them all–you mess with us one more time and we will carpet bomb you into the 7th. century. Then they can visit Mohammed again. Who cares about the U.N. and their panzy liberal viewpoints.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:56pmEver been to the middle east?? They already are STUCK in the 7th century!! In fact, being “knocked into the 7th century” would actually modernize some areas!! “carpet bombing” is an old an ancient term, I like to use Thermonuclear devices! In fact, Iran wants them so bad we should send them a few….I say after they get done playing “catch” they wouldn’t want to “play” anymore!!!
Report Post »Roo-Dee
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:32amBring our troops home!!! More Americans have died in these wars than on 9/11. I’m tired of all the fear mongering we have to go through as a nation so that the government can pretend like they are making us safer.
Report Post »happygranny
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:35pmThat pile of human garbage is not worth our finest to die for. We went in there with no intention to win, it is all about politics. The afghan government has no clue about democracy, and why we as a nation keep insisting they they change to our ways is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. GET OUT NOW! I don’t want to read about a 25 year old loosing all his limbs because of a road side bomb. If it was up to me, I would nuke all of them.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:29amWhat is ridi c ulous is treating Afghanistan as an equal to a World power like the USA. Afghanistan has ONE major road in the entire Country. It is govern by tribes instead of elected officials. Women are considered to be property of their fathers and/or husbands. Afghanistan is the cesspool of the World.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:48amThere is nothing in that moo-slum third world toilet worth fighting for or protecting. I say we should stop spending American dollars AND LIVES and let them degenerate back into their twelfth century mud hut and bhurka loving lives and if any of them tries to leave their own borders, consider it an attack and shoot to kill.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:50amWe have no business over there. The article says we will have another 9/11 if we leave…….BS……. they (terrorists) are crossing our southern and northern borders like there is no tomorrow. We should leave them to themselves, Corrupt Karzai hates us as well as they all do. Let the Taliban have his butt. let them run around poking out people’s eyes and cutting off hands…. we should secure our borders and then find those bastards that don’t belong in the USA and get rid of them. WE HAVE NO BUSINESS OVER THERE WORRYING ABOUT THOSE MONKEYS!!!!!!
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:20amMr. Fitnah…YES! History is always repeated. Genesis 25:19-35 is the reason why muslims hate the Jews to this day.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:12amWe need our troups home……..to heck with these muslims and their war.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 6:21amPremature Withdrawl… always leads to a loss of… a Happy Ending!
Report Post »Mr.Fitnah
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:54amIts funny now , more than 10 years after 9/11 and people dont know every minute of Islamic history … It blows my mind.
Report Post »How lazy can a human be?
I took me a few 100 bucks and a few months I know own as much scripture as any mosque .
Islam is not a mystery .
VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:14amCorrect. It is not a mystery.
It is an abomination.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:54amMosques are nothing but terrorist army bases…..There should not be a ONE on US soil.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 7:41amMost people are Busy… at School or Working… and they think that if something was Important that it would be on the News! That’s why… Revolutions and Dictators always want to Control the News!!
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:53amI do agree with BADDOGGY—Here’s the perfect way to fight this war—move out and let the Nasty Shia kill the Abominable Sunni. There‘s blood in the Shia’s eyes since Saddam hurled chemical weapons on them in the 1980′s.
Report Post »Mr.Fitnah
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:46amReally? Every muslim born and every convert is a new 911 brewing thats what isalm calls for.,
Report Post »There is no pretending afterr you have done your home work Gllleennnn.
Must be easy being an idiot who doesn’t care.I cant believe you have a job.
I would teach you about Islamic scripture for free and show the scripture .
But know ,you prefer taqiyya .
Ignorance ?Is it really bliss?
wdittgasn
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:56amWe do not need teaching of Islam. Anyone can light a fuse or detonate a bomb! Islam SUCKS!!!!!! It is EVIL!!!!
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:26am“Afghanistan Ambassador: Withdrawing Prematurely Could Lead to ‘Another 9/11′”
………… and i thought Lorena Bobbitt was nutz
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:26am“before the Afghans have a full grip on security”
That is just not possible all the time. Look at Mexico…can anyone (with a straight face) say that Mexico will one day have a “full grip on security” against the drug cartels?
Walk and let them rot, I say. If things get bad enough, who knows…maybe their own people will step up to the plate and change their OWN country.
We have our own hands full trying to keep Obama and the democrats from turning our country into another 3rd world cesspool.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:44amThe Afghan government recently calculated that their security forces will be broke two or three years after the allied forces leave. This means that the Taliban will quickly take over and their retribution will be savage. The present government will be dead or in exile. It’s not surprising then, that Karzai and his ministers have woken up with a jolt.
Time to change the rules, I would say. They must start behaving in a civilised and sensible manner, providing full support to the allies, or it’s over. (Also, a bit of gratitude for the lives lost, injuries incurred, and treasure spent, might be nice.)
As tempting as it might be to let them drown in their own cesspool, legions of innocents will be brutalised and massacred. Children will be raised in hatred, if they survive at all, and one day the allies will have to go through the whole traumatic process again. And this time against an enemy better prepared and more determined.
Give the government some tough love and, if they refuse to respond appropriately, then walk away.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:02amNZKIWI……..You can’t fix that broken country. we have already been there 10 YEARS, WHAT another 10 will do it Bologna!! It will fall apart no matter how long we stay. We need not go down with them.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:16amGive me a break man. 4,500 troops are dead and 41,000 wounded in this middle east adventure we are in (ONLY 3,000 died on 9/11). Our mission was to get rid of Al Qaeda and we accomplished it within months. We did not go in to get rid of Taliban.
Get the hell out of afganistan – if Al Qaeda decides to open shop, drop some bomb with all those drones we have flying around. We are currently doing that in Yemen and we never even had to invade that country….
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:46am4.500 deaths in a decade. Got it. A bit less than the number of marines who never made it off the beach on the first day of the Peleliu invasion.
And then, according to the CDC, EVERY YEAR (NOT every decade):
Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer’s disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
Got it that the media revs us up on these things. But consider: if attacked, how on earth would we ever defend ourselves with the ***** attitude of non-sacrifice that we have adopted?
As far as I can tell, America will never, ever again be able to win a war …. ANY war.
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:48amto clarify, since that horrible, horrible word i used was (fortunately) caught by the thought police so as to not cause all readers to explode:
ever defend ourselves with the p. u. s. s. y. attitude of non-sacrifice
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:31amI agree, and though I’d be the first to say it is not the soldiers right to question where they are sent to defend America, Vietnam and all other deployments since, have been police actions and not war. With no clear cut enemy to fight & defend against in these battles –and the fear of harming a non-combative– we have tied our military’s hands and asked them to die for no reason and no way to adequately defend themselves.
But I get your point:
Americans killed in Vietnam = approx. 60,000
Vietnamese killed in Vietnam = approx. 600,000
A more startling fact?
Percent of Vietnamese killed in the Vietname war = approx. 10% of their population …and they were prepared to fught another 10 years if need be under the same conditions.
In todays numbers this would = 30 MILLION US lives lost if we held our resolve as they did.
The biggest unknown factor? Would we be as resolved as the Vietnamese were if the battles took place on our own soil?
I am not referring to a quick bio/chem/nuke attack…but 10+ years of conventional war in our own cities and streets. Would our people stand with arms and the resolve to repel the invaders?
In this day and age, I think LONG before we ever approached the 1 million mark, the “people” would be screaming at the government “Give them what they want! Whatever it takes as long as my barcolounger, big screen TV, SUV and the McDonalds on the corner are spared…give them what they want!”
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:04amIt is not commonly realised that the western allies (you weren’t alone over there) actually won the Vietnam war and then surrendered.
Viet Cong generals have admitted that Tet was their last ditch attempt, as they had run out of resources. The Tet offensive was fairly easily repelled and the VC chased off. Unfortunately, cameras beamed the fight into civilian homes and it looked like the VC had invaded Saigon and won.
Much to the surprise of the VC generals, after they had been defeated, their enemy fled the battlefield.
Sun Tzu would have been proud.
Should the allies make the same mistake in Afghanistan? It is a popular theory amongst our enemies that the west doesn’t have the stomach for a long fight. They are wrong I’m certain, but can you blame them?
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:14amnzkiwi
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:04am
Should the allies make the same mistake in Afghanistan? It is a popular theory amongst our enemies that the west doesn’t have the stomach for a long fight. They are wrong I’m certain, but can you blame them?
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Where are you going to get the money from in order to continue this “long fight”?:
“Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S.
November 01, 2004
He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, “using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers.”
“We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat,” bin Laden said.
He also said al Qaeda has found it “easy for us to provoke and bait this administration.”
“All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations,” bin Laden said.”
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-01/world/binladen.tape_1_al-jazeera-qaeda-bin?_s=PM:WORLD
Tick, tick, tick….
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aChameleon
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:12amUm, that’s what she said ?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:07amYes lets stay longer. This plan has been working so well, why change course?
Report Post »Dde13
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:06amHey Afghanistan!!!! If you haven’t noticed we have our own problems. We have spent billions of dollars and more precious Human life than we should have. We had our silver war and we laced up our boot straps and got it together. Do the same! Its a war with no end…Your problem is yourselves.
Report Post »Our troops are THE BEST IN THE WORLD….you don’t deserve them anymore. We will never forget 9/11!!!!!!!! Our threat now is finding a leader who will bring us together and NOT divide us.
HorseCrazy
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:36amI totally agree. No more american lives need to be lost over this waste land. Protect us at home an vote this man out of office.
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:04amWhy would the taliban announce this new offensive? They can’t defeat us conventionally. Who has funded and armed these terrorist groups in the middle east? That’s right–China and Russia. China and Russia is rubbing their hands together. It weakens our resources and economy in the long run. It’s a war we have to fight, though. China and Russia and Iran will get theirs in the end. God help us all.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:17amIf we pull out the Middle east will explode with a civil war. They will be busy for 100 years killing ech other. This is total bogus BS!
Report Post »Bring our troops home and let the Muslims have at it.
soybomb315
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:18amwho cares about the taliban??? why do they matter to us?
Taliban is just the local ruling party, they have no international intentions
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:09amActually we the USA funded them when they were fighting the Russians, we helped Bin Laden. I have heard talk about the US giving arms to those in Syria, Those same arms will one day be turned on us if we supply them!
Report Post »longun45
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:39pmTranslation – I have not gotten my money yet.
Get out now and we will deal with it. Or we can glass the place, no one would know the difference.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:25pmIs Ryan Crocker trying to drop a hint??:
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“THE West is losing the heroin war in Afghanistan, 10 years after world leaders said wiping out the drug was a main reason for invading the nation.
Despite the expenditure of tens of billions of dollars in a conflict that has so far cost the lives of almost 3000 Coalition troops, including 32 Australians, production of the drug by Afghan farmers rose between 2001 and 2011 from just 185 tonnes to 5800 tonnes.
It increased by 61 per cent last year alone.”
Report Post »http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/drug-war-in-afghanistan-a-lost-cause/story-e6frea6u-1226274264900
Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:40pmWiping out poppy production/heroin was never the reason why we invaded Afghanistan! What a complete and horrible revision of history. Gawd!
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:11amHeck, we are short on drugs anyway, leave the poppies alone.
Report Post »RedDawn2012
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:17amPrior to our invasion the Taliban had all but eradicated poppy production. We didn’t go in there to stop it, we went in to start it back up again.
Report Post »Maxim Crux
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:04pmThis is crap, another 911 or worse can come from anywhere…Yemen, Turkey, Sudan, Somalia…France even. What is it that they want in Afghanistan? Something important because there are plenty of bad guys around the world in more favorable lands with much more resources than Afghanistan…unless they are not telling us something. Lets face it, the Russians spent 10 years there as well.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:19pmTime to pull out and try to protect ourselves as much as possible. We will never win any conflict — hot, cold, intellectual, or religious in the Middle East. It’s dumb to even think we can protect America from a conflict over there.
Report Post »TerryDo
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:35pmThey just want the Amerikan dollars $$$$
Report Post »And tell them if there is another 9/11 their whole country will be wiped out. You can’t fight a war with undefined enemies, and terrorists all around the world are simply cowards, who hide behind women and children or behind masks.
Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:56pmTERRYDO, I‘m not sure that’s true. Would any of us blow ourselves up for our ideals? I doubt it. They are another brand of believers entirely.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:10amrare earth
Report Post »TRILO
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:00pmThese people will come up with anything to keep the sheeple in fear of their own shadow. The War on Terror is nothing but a fabrication to enslave the masses under government control. Just look at the loss of freedom and the amount of survelliance the sheeple are asking for just so that the government will keep them safe. The only problem is, who will keep them safe from their government.
The war in Iraq and Afghanistan have done nothing to stop those who hate us from hating us. In fact, they have probably added to the hate against us.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:09pmthe wars are wasteful and should come to an end, but I could not care less who hates us. Screw them.
Report Post »We should not pull out of anything to appease anyone on earth. If they hate us, well we should hate them back, but harder, and meaner.
But that’s just me.
techengineer11
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:34amThere‘s real live terrorist on every street corner and you better give up all your Constitutional rights and priviliges in order to let us good guys in the Gov’t protect you.. We worry about you people. You need our help and protection. We will destroy the radicals both home and abraod so that you may be safe and sound. Trust us.
Report Post »Ferrarello
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:55pmStop B.S.ing us…you just want to keep guarding those poppy fields.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:47pmI feel for the guy, but there is no “win” for us there. In the end, we will have accomplished no more than the Soviets did back in the 70s and 80s. That land will not be governed as we know government.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:00pmActually, we accomplished what we needed to a long time ago. We came to Afghanistan to kill our enemies the Taliban. We did that and should have left then. Instead we want to Nation build, and our rookie president has let the Taliban take hold again. We accomplished much more the USSR ever did. With relatively few casualties I might add.
Report Post »Dave.the.Blaze
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:12pmNo, we clearly didn’t kill the Taliban because they are back and were always waiting. Remember that the Afghan war under Bush was 7 years and only less than 4 with Obama. I’m not saying one is worse, all I‘m saying is that we’ve won nothing. The Taliban was never defeated.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:49pmIf you mean irradiated, no they were not all killed, but they did not have operation bases in Afg. now they sit in our own bases recently left behind by Obama. When Bush left office the they were pushed back to the Pakistan and Iranian borders. We were killing them there until Obama decided to start withdrawing, and using drones to kill leadership was his only tool. If we had stayed in force as Bush advised, we would not have seen Sundays attacks.
Report Post »I think we should pull out now that we are in a no win situation, but in doing so tell the Afg. government that if we have to come back it will be with tactical nukes.
kcinco
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:39pmThese radical islamists are already planning another 9/11, we don’t have to withdraw our troops from AFG to experience that. Sorry, don’t trust a word they say. It’s a bunch of bloviating once again.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:33pmOr, it could eventually lead to a great salt flat?
Report Post »blanco5
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:29pmOh, please. I am so tired of the manufactured fears! America needs to concentrate on the enemy within—–our own government!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:36pmAgree … we are being destroyed from within more than 9/11 ever did .. people losing their jobs and homes .. I wonder what the death count on that is .. we have had a lot of obits in our local paper that say died “unexpectedly” .. I would like to know the suicide rate under Obama.
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:49pmOk, I understand the point your making, government has gotten way out of control, our liberties are being threatened, and people have lost their jobs and their homes just like we almost did. But I’m a bit annoyed with your rhetoric that this is somehow worse than the tragedy of 9/11. How is losing a job or house comparable to 3,000 Americans dead and a symbol of America decimated? I seriously doubt we’ve had over 3,000 suicides in the past 3 years because the economy sucks.
Look I’m on your side here, but lets not be extreme with the language.
Report Post »Chromo200
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:49pmAmen
Report Post »TRILO
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:54pmYou got that right!!!
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 10:56pmCat, I think you’re on to something there.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:06pm@Master_and_Commander
Report Post »I think what he was saying is that the threat of losing the Republic is worse than 9-11, If we see another 4 years of this administration we risk losing the Republic as you grew up in it. Your children will never see the freedoms you enjoyed. The propaganda is the tool they use, and to the uneducated voter it is very dangerous.
CatB
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:14pm“Though experts say we may not know for years how much the rate has increased, calls to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline increased by 36 percent in 2008, and another 15 percent in 2009.
Data compiled by The Wall Street Journal in late 2009 showed increases in several states. Of the 19 states surveyed, 13 had seen marginal increases in the suicide rate. Tennessee had the highest rate of increase, with over 15 percent more suicides in 2008 than 2007. Across the 19 states, the average increase was 2.3 percent.
This trend was also seen during the Great Depression, when the suicide rate increased by 21 percent in the early 1930s (about 17 of every 100,000 people).”
I think the destruction Obama has done since taking office INCLUDING the debt that our children and grandchildren will be paying for .. has done MUCH more damage than 9/11
BTW .. the text above is from here ….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/suicide-rates-up-since-re_n_658668.html
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:17pmFor the second year in a row, middle-aged adults have registered the highest suicide rate in the country, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Historically, the eldest segment of the population, those 80 and older, have had the highest rates of suicide in the United States. Starting in 2006, however, the suicide rate among men and women between the ages of 45 and 54 was the highest of any age group. ”
“Ninety percent of people who kill themselves have a mental disorder at the time of their death,” which can be aggravated by drug and alcohol abuse, Dr. Clayton said. Problems related to health, jobs, relationships and finances have also been shown to be important risk factors for suicide, the C.D.C. reported. ”
“Men are more than three times as likely to commit suicide as women, and they tend to use guns. American Indians, Alaska Natives and non-Hispanic whites are also at greater risk. Veterans are also vulnerable. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/us/06suicide.html?_r=1
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:27pmUnemployed persons and veterans are at higher risk. Unemployed persons are four times more likely to report symptoms of mental illness. Male veterans are twice as likely to die by suicide than civilians.
from 2010
One suicide occurs every 15 minutes; almost 100 suicides a day.
More than a million people attempt to take their own lives each year.
You do the math 365 X 100 = 36,500
Now should we look into the rates for divorce, child abuse, etc? … I wonder if those are up also?
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 15, 2012 at 11:51pmOK, maybe I was wrong and he was saying something totally different.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:01amI’m saying that he is destroying the country .. more than any “attack” has done … from our homes and families to loss of wealth (think home values and the REAL inflation rate) to and MOST importantly OUR LIBERTY!
OMG 2012.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:09amGo, Cat, go! Give ‘em hell!!
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