Education

After DADT Repealed, Stanford Votes to Invite Back ROTC

PALO ALTO, Calif. (AP) — Stanford University’s faculty voted Thursday to invite ROTC back to campus, nearly 40 years after the military program was barred from campus amid strong anti-war sentiments and anger over the military’s ban on gays and lesbians.

The Reserve Officers’ Training Corps left Stanford, Harvard and other prominent universities during the Vietnam War, and schools lately kept it off campus because of the military’s policy on gays, which they considered discriminatory.

But several universities began reconsidering after Congress in December repealed the so-called don’t ask, don’t tell policy, which requires soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines to keep their homosexuality a secret or face dismissal. In March, Harvard officially welcomed back the program.

Stanford’s Faculty Senate on Thursday approved allowing ROTC back on campus by a 28-9 vote, about a week after a campus committee recommended reinstating the program, Stanford spokeswoman Lisa Lapin said.

The approval came with an addendum voicing opposition to the military’s policy of excluding transgender and medically disabled individuals from serving.

Stanford President John Hennessy will now begin discussions with the U.S. military about the process of re-establishing ROTC on campus, Lapin said. There was no time frame when ROTC programs would be available at Stanford again.

ROTC was founded in 1916 to ensure educated men were well-represented in the military. Students receive scholarship money in return for agreeing to military service after graduation.

Some Stanford students and faculty members opposed bringing ROTC back to campus, in part because of the military’s policy on transgender people and the medically disabled. A group of about 30 people protested outside of the building where the vote took place.

“Our support for re-establishing the ROTC program should not be misconstrued,” Hennessy said in a statement. “We understand the concerns about the military’s continuing discrimination against transgender people, and we share those concerns.”

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  • Lucy Larue
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 8:28pm

    This whole mess is a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions.
    We are engaged in WWIII! Got it?! WWIII! We are at war with fanatical muslims. It’s not going away.And they are here, right here in the good ol’ U.S.A.
    We are at war with a group of Barbarians that only recognize who has the biggest stick.
    What are we doing? We’re making nice and turning our military into the PEACE CORPS.

    Don‘t Ask Don’t Tell worked. The repeal is purely political.The very idea that Stanford is allowing R.O.T.C. but still isn‘t happy about the military’s take on TRANSGENDER is ludicrous!

    Stanford and other Universities could give a flying FEATHER about any soldier who is engaged in WAR. They can ONLY muster up sympathy for the Gays who WANT to serve but cannot because of the “MONSTROUS” D.A.D.T. Policy. Yeah right!
    So, D.A.D.T. is repealed under the Presidency of Barry Dunham for purely political reasons(think votes), not soldiers.
    And guess what? What is the next B@#TCH session coming from Sanford and other cajoneless Universities of the same ilk?
    Here it is,”We don’t want to lose our Federal monies, boo hoo, whine, whine. We will begrudgingly reinstall R.O.T.C. cause.., did we say it yet? We don’t want to lose our monies from the Feds….,but boo hoo, whine, whine….,Transgenders are STILL not welcome in the military!
    INfreakingSANITY! And WE are allowing it to happen!

    ALL of us need to seek out a soldier and thank him(universal he).. Their life is HELL under this commander in chief.

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  • UpstateNYConservative
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 1:01pm

    Where would a transsexual go–to the men‘s unit or the women’s? That’s also one of those things that can be flip-flopped to suit the moment to claim discrimination.

    In NJ, a transsexual worked at a men-only drug rehab facility, monitoring clients when they gave their mandatory urine samples. Now, this person is pre-op to become a woman. But when the question came up, he/she said he/she is a man, but got fired because he/she is ‘in process’ to become female. He/she is now suing for discrimination.

    As for the ‘medically disabled’, I doubt they mean people in wheelchairs or those with bad vision becoming fighter pilots. I bet they mean people with herpes and HIV.

    If the military has any sense, the generals will tell Stanford, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

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  • love the kids
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:20pm

    “The approval came with an addendum voicing opposition to the military’s policy of excluding transgender and medically disabled individuals from serving.”

    I agree. we should put out front all those people in wheelchairs, they will look much larger and bigger, they will probably be better shooters since they can hold the gun steadier in a sitting position, and if they are killed, think of the healthcare money we will save.

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  • miles from nowhere
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:58am

    Stanford and the state of California should not be getting federal money of any kind. This is not a part of the US, it has been taken over by Mexico and is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. Put a fence around it and let these barbarians eat themselves alive.

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  • Martin L. Kuhn Jr.
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:14am

    Yes, I can understand those people‘s concern about the military’s policy against trans-gender people, but I am concerned about those people‘s lack of concern about the military’s policy against people who are sexually attracted to birds, fish, farm animals or dead things? Their failure to speak out against those exclusionary policies implies their tacit support of such policies.

    What makes one type of sexual weirdo better than others?

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:02am

    Most of these universities are nothing more than LEFTIST INDOCTRINATION CAMPS…..The military should not honor them with any kind of agreement to return.

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  • ArmyStandard88
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:01am

    Adam West said it best. “The Military exists to win the Nations Wars…not to accomidate the personal habits of its soldiers.”

    The military has standards for a multitude of reasons. If you can’t conform, if you cant shoot, pt, or act accordingly, you should be separated. Im tired of thios becoming some open invitation to everyone who wants to reap the benefits of serving. Its not WalMart. Trans Genders??! Military, not sideshow.

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:13am

      I don‘t get how some people still don’t understand, they aren’t making anything easier! The training is going to be the exact same. If someone can‘t hack it they can’t hack it! It’s that simple. The gay servicemembers are still going to have to act with the same professionialism in a relationship that a straight couple does, and without the benifits to top it off. They haven’t said anything about transgendered servicemembers either, I am positive they will draw the line at living within the physical gender one was born with.

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    • Corbin_Dallas
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:45am

      Sorry I couldn’t resist. It’s Allen West. Adam West was batman

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    • Cherynn
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 1:37pm

      I’m a cold war era veteran,,,,and also TRANSGENDERED. It worked for me and my DD-214 says honerable.

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  • cmburnett2000
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:58am

    I’d tell Stanford and every other university forget it. But then again I would tell any university, municipality or any other entity who stood against our military recruiters, ROTC or military in general to forget any federal funds as well. If they don’t need our military, then they don’t need our money either.

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  • Malcom0983
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:56am

    DON’T GO BACK! That‘s just a way for them to infiltrate America’s military officer ranks. Most of them couldn’t hang in OCS anyway but the turds that do slip through will attempt to destroy the military from the inside out. Just like the socialists, communists and progressives have done with every other government aspect. We already have too many sissy enlisted men because of weak standards. We couldn’t stand an influx of sissy anti-American officers too.
    When they take their oath, make them take off their shoes and socks and watch their fingers and toes because you would have to rewrite it to say “crosses don’t count” at the end.

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  • trooper
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:42am

    A gay Marine from Stanford walks up to a straight Marine in a bar and say’s “may I push in your stool”?

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  • Rickfromillinois
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:34am

    “The approval came with an addendum voicing opposition to the military’s policy of excluding transgender and medically disabled individuals from serving.” The military’s ultimate purpose is to win wars, not promote social engineering. So how many soldiers is it going to take to push a quadriplegic’s wheel chair up a hill that they are assaulting? Any argument that they could be put in “non-combative” positions are bogus. There are too many examples of so called “non-combat” personnel find themselves being put on the front lines with a rifle to prevent being overrun by enemy troops. That is why regardless of their job all military personnel are trained and routinely have to qualify in using firearms.

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:41am

      If someone has a prostetic and can still do the training like the non-disabled service members there is no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to serve. Transgendered persons however is a different fight alltogether.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:54am

      whatever

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  • trooper
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:33am

    If I was back in field, I would not want the gays behind me, I would insist they be way ahead of me and make the initial assault!

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  • fixer
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:30am

    tell them to put it where the sun don’t shine!

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  • momprayn
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:26am

    Re “freedom”, “liberty”, etc. and then being anti-gay in the military – as usual, not thought through. Twisted thinking. It has to do with what rules are most necessarily needed pertaining to the military way of life & the best scenario for success/cohesiveness Has nothing to do whether gays (or women) have “rights” or not. Common sense tells you that you need certain rules/laws for things to avoid chaos, etc. I think Allen West pointed that out. Like traffic lights – you need them in order to move the traffic along in an efficient manner or you have total chaos, accidents, etc. Has nothing to do with our “rights”, “freedoms”. It isn‘t being hateful or discriminating against gays only bc they don’t approve of their lifestyle. There’re all kinds of problems now that will develop bc of this DADT repeal. Christian chaplains will probably disappear bc they can’t give biblical counsel re gays or who knows what else (and that’s what the libs want). How about the unfairness to “straights”? This is all ridiculous. If I was a patriotic gay, knowing the controversiality/problems that do occur, I’d just do something else for the country — you don’t have to be in the military….even if you think it “unfair”. It’s called unselfish sacrifice, which seems to be in decline in this nation.

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:31am

      People throught the military was going to suffer when it was racially integrated and when women were allowed to serve with men. The military didn‘t implode then and it won’t now. I’m serving currently, I can see that it won’t implode.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:58am

      conversation..you’re kinda creepin me out

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:01am

      How am I creeping you out? Because I don’t think DADT was worth the wasted money spent on training gay servicemembers just to have them kicked out. To make people live hiding what they are? I’m straight and I get to live how I want in the service, why shouldn’t they? It’s close-minded people like you with bigoted ideas that creep me out. But I guess that’s because I was raised in an accepting atmosphere. Which I have thanked my family for a number of times.

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    • hud
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 2:14pm

      Some of the biggest battles in VN were between blacks and whites in combat units, who chose up sides along racial lines, and duked and shot it out.

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:30pm

      @conversationcanwork……..I apologize for my stupid comment

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  • trooper
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:23am

    Gay Marines and real Marines will get along fine, what are you talking about

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    • hud
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 2:09pm

      Being 70ish and having served in the army in Nam, I’m sure some of the folks I served with were queer, but I couldn’t prove or disprove that statement. I don’t think that overtly queer people like those on LOGO would be too welcome in the service environment. If you don’t think that racial and gender integration has had a effect on the services and was hard to achieve, you need to get off the sauce. Unit cohesion in fighting units require love and trust, an item harder to develop in socially diverse units, and more time consuming. Thus, the lack of support among higher ranking officers.

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  • trooper
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:19am

    How do you fit four gay Marines on a bar stool, Answer: turn it upside down!

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  • conversationcanwork
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:06am

    First off, if someone is in ROTC for the time they are in college they will either stay in and know what awaits them in the military or realize it’s not for them and put it behind them. Opening up more colleges to ROTC is only a good thing. There is no reason for the ROTC to not expand to as many colleges as they can to get more well trained officers. As for the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell situation, well… that‘s already been covered here and I at least don’t try and disrespect your opinions while I keep my own. Trust me, I get enough crap from my fellow Marines about my thoughts on that.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:20am

      ‘Preciate your service,Sir!. …. I respect your coy comments about your opinion on repeal of DADT.
      If you are active duty,and I have no reason to disbelieve you– I hear the USMC has made it clear the decision has been made by others higher up the chain. My only advice remains use common sense. If you are ever targeted for an unwanted sexual assault I hope you treat the predator as you would any enemy combatant on the field of battle for in that moment when they feel their right to express their Orientation overcomes their respect for the UCMJ-and Reason they choose to be an enemy combatant..Use whatever force necessary to make certain they are too hurt-or too afraid to ever get stupid again-with yourself or any other. And if it is a Marine higher up in the rank Kick a— and do so with all due respect for the position they have discredited.From a former USArmy Medic-Semper Fi

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  • Mandors
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:02am

    “Some Stanford students and faculty members opposed bringing ROTC back to campus, in part because of the military’s policy on ….. the medically disabled.”

    Damn, are we ever going to get those quadriplegic fighter pilots?!

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:00am

      I know a number of people who were deemed 4F during Vietnam and thanked God for it.

      However I am sure that there are a number of vets who have sustained severe injuries (loss of a limb, loss of sight in one eye) that would still want to be involved somehow. Maybe as instructors or some other administrative role would be appropriate. However, that’s a decision that the Joint Chiefs of Staff should be making, not Stanford.

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  • ZAP
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:02am

    perversion (pəˈvɜːʃən)

    — n
    1. any abnormal means of obtaining sexual satisfaction
    2. the act of perverting or the state of being perverted
    3. a perverted form or usage

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  • PIL
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:00am

    You people are always talking about freedom and liberty, but when it comes to sexuality is “Achtung! Make love the right vay, date der right gender, or get out.” Like John Stossel says, “give me a break.” DADT is over, more people are gonna join the military, and it’s gonna be just fine. After all, Jews and Blacks are allowed in the military, I don’t hear any complaints from racists or antisemites.

    MISS USA MOLESTED BY TSA.
    http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/04/former-miss-usa-molested-by-tsa.html

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    • Corbin_Dallas
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:41am

      Allen West made the point the military has rules and standards. you can say someones sexuality has no bearing on their ability to fight. The again someones hair length or facial hair also doesn’t affect their ability to fight so why have those standards? How clean and pressed your uniform also has no bearing on your ability to fight so why have those standards? He said it better but you get the idea.

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    • PIL
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 3:35pm

      Well, the military did make an exception for Sikhs. They can serve and keep their bears, see for yourself.
      http://www.sikhwomen.com/equality/social/military/us_armed_forces.htm

      Besides, gays have always been part of the military, I even know people who support DADT yet when asked if they knew anyone gay in the military, they always admit they knew. Yet did they inform their CO? No. Did they call the media? No.

      See? If gays were that bad for the military, everyone would be reporting them.

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  • flyoverbob
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:54am

    Tis was another reason to keep the ban

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  • alrunner58
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:52am

    Really, ROTC it’s been 40 yrs, just say “NO”.

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  • Sinista MACE
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:28am

    Ghey Parade.

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  • let us prey
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:28am

    They should cut Cali off from the rest of the country wall it up and give it to mexico. Happy Thanksgiving to you Mexico.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:32am

      We can’t even build a wall on the existing border!

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    • PAPAROACH
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:34am

      From what i can see the mexicants already own California, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, etc.etc,

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  • Obama Snake Oil Co
    Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:24am

    I wouldn’t go back….

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    • bassist237
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:30am

      You’re right, we didn’t need them for the last 40 years, why the hell would we need them now.

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    • Oil_Robb
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:34am

      Inviting sodomites back to study sodomey 101 to help recruit more sodomites. Then they can enlist and sodomize soldiers while fighting in countries that will help create another sodom and Gamorah.

      Sounds about right

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:39am

      I hope the ROTC tells them to GTH! I wouldn‘t go where I wasn’t wanted.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:41am

      Great
      Will we need a bathroom for all the different stages of Transgenderism. ??
      Mens Room
      Mostly Man Room
      Half Man/Half Woman Room
      Mostly Woman Room
      Womans Room

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:45am

      Tell them to “SHOVE IT”!

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    • Oil_Robb
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:50am

      @ GRAMA….thats the problem they are allready shoving it

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    • RightUnite
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:14am

      Agreed! They would be fools to do so. I wonder if they get federal money by allowing them on campus. Anyone know?

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    • riseandshine
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:49am

      Now that **** are allowed….

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    • SeasonOfReason
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 11:11am

      Some of you people posting here have some really skewed morals.

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    • ginsberg
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:15pm

      I agree season, it is funny that many of these supposed christians have such hate for gays and other races. they claim to follow jesus, yet dont believe blacks or gays are equals. And dont tell me im making this up, go look at some of the posts on any racial subjects, it is some of the most unchristian, hateful crap ive ever read. I understand it isnt all blazers, but I dont see many people speaking out against tje racists on this site. Big pickle and brasil are two of the worst.

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    • Oil_Robb
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 1:29pm

      And Christians are supposed to sit idley by and have all these Sinful sodomey laws forced upon us and say nothing in response? All the while preading aids and killing people by the hundreds of thousands around the world….Like God I too hate the SIn of where one man iserts his manhood into an area where another man evacuates his bowels and then has to wash himself from all the ecoli and disease that he has on his loins

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    • hud
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 1:52pm

      Common sense tells me that if you go to Stanford your probably not looking to be a lifer, and if you want to be a lifer you probably won’t go to Stanford.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 8:26pm

      This is the stupidest ‘logic’ imaginable. The military had nothing to do with DADT except to abide by the law and Stanford makes it appear as though it was their (the military) fault the law was passed in the first place.

      Californians have the most tortured logic under the sun.

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    • Kalshion
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 8:56pm

      @RightUnite

      Yes they do, last I checked a school that has an ROTC program get‘s more money than a school that doesn’t.

      And if I was in charge of these programs, I’d say no. Why? Look at the Vietnam War and see how the military was treated. You ‘never’ mistreat your own nations military, NEVER. (Unless they are openly harming you, but in the V-war they weren’t)

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    • MinorityRightsAdvocate
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 10:57pm

      Like all of “progressive” institutions they are living in a universe of lies.

      There is much about the DADT repeal that is not being covered. I’m immersed in it and I can say it is pushing a series of lies and distortions. I’m working now at getting answers to some questions in this post, and I will make sure this is updated later to reflect the latest.
      This is a topic the media is ignoring, because the truth totally destroys the agenda they support!

      http://minorityrightsadvocate.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/serious-honest-difficult-but-respectful-questions-for-military-members-to-ask-that-are-based-policy-implementation-for-use-at-the-military-required-dadt-repeal-training-that-is-rapidly-being-implem/

      The fact is the very law that was passed to enact a repeal actually requires a certification that the repeal will cause not harm to cohesiveness and effectiveness! To be honest this is an impossible standard, but they are pushing hard to create an image which is a false reality so they can go through the motions of certifying it anyway!
      This like many other lies, propaganda and distortions is an area where people need to stand up for what right and stop is being cowered into submission!

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on April 30, 2011 at 7:43am

      DADT was a fraud perpetrated by an “unusually good Liar.“ The policy and Law of ”exclusion” tracks back to a time when George Washington was General and reviewed the Court Martial of Lieutt.Enslin of
      Colo.Malcoms Regiment,March10,1778.Back when we had an American Congress that was governed by Religious and Moral men who sought to encourage Religion(Christianity) and Morality ( based upon the Christian ethic) This is not my personal desire or fantasy-but what I find an accurate understanding of what was written in our American history long before our public schools got Dewey eyed..That the black agitator of the Marxist/Communist Party of our nations destruction now desires to have our Military embrace sodomy within the ranks proves an allegiance to a sytem other than our own American Founding.

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on April 30, 2011 at 8:10am

      ginsberg and Season –

      I agree season, it is funny that many of these supposed christians have such hate for gays and other races. they claim to follow jesus, yet dont believe blacks or gays are equals.

      **********************************************

      Why are you assuming that everyone that posts on this site is a christian? There is no requirement that all posters be Christian or even like Glenn Beck. There is no requirement that the posters be democrats or republicans, conservatives or liberals. It’s a discussion and people can actually be more frank – and admittedly more rude – than they might be able to be elsewhere.

      Regarding your comment about blacks and gays not being equal, Ginsberg, I disagree. Nowhere is there a law that makes either blacks or gays second class citizens. Both groups have a right to vote, to live where they choose, to be employed where they choose and to shop where they choose. And both are deemed to be “protected classes”, which actually makes them superior in some ways than others. I’d also like to point out that it was former President Clinton that promoted “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

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