Ahmadinejad: Iran to Unveil ‘Big New’ Nuclear Achievements ‘Within the Next Few Days’
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Iran will soon reveal "very big new nuclear achievements" during his speech at a rally to mark the 33rd anniversary of the Islamic Revolution Saturday, Feb. 11, 2012. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi)
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will soon unveil “big new” nuclear achievements, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Saturday while reiterating Tehran‘s readiness to revive talks with the West over the country’s controversial nuclear program.
Ahmadinejad spoke at a rally in Tehran as tens of thousands of Iranians marked the 33rd anniversary of the Islamic Revolution that toppled the pro-Western monarchy and brought Islamic clerics to power.
Ahmadinejad did not elaborate on the upcoming announcement but insisted Iran would never give up its uranium enrichment, a process that makes material for reactors as well as weapons.
The West suspects Iran’s nuclear program is aimed at producing atomic weapons, a charge Tehran denies, insisting it’s geared for peaceful purposes only, such as energy production.
Four rounds of U.N. sanctions and recent tough financial penalties by the U.S. and the European Union have failed to get Iran to halt aspects of its atomic work that could provide a possible pathway to weapons production.
“Within the next few days the world will witness the inauguration of several big new achievements in the nuclear field,” Ahmadinejad told the crowd in Tehran’s famous Azadi, or Freedom, square.
Iran has said it is forced to manufacture nuclear fuel rods, which provide fuel for reactors, on its own since international sanctions ban it from buying them on foreign markets. In January, Iran said it had produced its first such fuel rod.
Apart from progress on the rods, the upcoming announcement could pertain to Iran’s underground enrichment facility at Fordo or upgraded centrifuges, which are expected to be installed at the facility in the central town of Natanz. Iran has also said it would inaugurate the Russian-built nuclear power plant in the southern port of Bushehr in 2012.
Iran’s unchecked pursuit of the nuclear program scuttled negotiations a year ago but Iranian officials last month proposed a return to the talks with the five permanent U.N. Security Council members plus Germany.
“Iran is ready for talks within the framework of equality and justice,“ Ahmadinejad repeated on said Saturday but warned that Tehran ”will never enter talks if enemies behave arrogantly.”
In the past, Iran has angered Western officials by appearing to buy time through opening talks and weighing proposals even while pressing ahead with the nuclear program.
Washington recently levied new penalties aimed at limiting Iran’s ability to sell oil, which accounts for 80 percent of its foreign revenue, while the European Union adopted its own toughest measures yet on Iran, including an oil embargo and freeze of the country’s central bank assets.
Israel is worried Iran could be on the brink of an atomic bomb and many Israeli officials believe sanctions only give Tehran time to move its nuclear program underground, out of reach of Israeli military strikes. The U.S. and its allies argue that Israel should hold off on any military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities to allow more time for sanctions to work.
Before Ahmadinejad spoke Saturday, visiting Hamas prime minister from Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, also addressed the crowd, congratulating Iranians on the 1979 anniversary and vowing that his militant Palestinian group would never recognize Iran‘s and Hamas’ archenemy, Israel.
Also at the Tehran rally, Iran displayed a real-size model of the U.S. drone RQ-170 Sentinel, captured by Iran in December near the border with Afghanistan. Iran has touted the drone’s capture as one of its successes against the West.
The state TV called the drone is a “symbol of power” of the Iranian armed forces “against the global arrogance” of the U.S.
The report broadcast footage of other rallies around Iran, saying millions participated in the anniversary celebrations, many under heavy snowfall.
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Thevoice
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:43amLiving now in a world of Homeland security and purple squirrels and Mammoth videos either one of two things is finally going to end this. One the Muslim troll climbs out of a well live on TV. Or two someone on our side accidentally falls asleep nudge…nudge and head hits the fire button, and all our problems over there finally get solved..
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:48amKeep smacking the dog, and don’t be surprised when he bites.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:00pmObama is is going to panic and fall for one of his idols #1 trick
Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more nukes than you do.
Iran knows if they pretend to be further along than they are, the pansyass American leaders wont do anything except give them money and gifts not to use it.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:04pmWhy should America be involved at all? Did anyone ever hear of, ‘Mind your own business?’
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:17pmListen Ahmadinejad, you don’t unveil anything or push anything – until Obama tells you its time to push or unveil something. Obama has to be ready to put in Marshall Law and suspend the election in America for 50 or 50 years.
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:39pmWhen you got one of these “dogs” uncontrollable and a biter ..The sooner you put it down the better. and in the case of Iran and Ackmannut they should have been put down years ago. And one more point.These idiots want you dead.You putting your head in the sand or up your a$$ ain’t going to change that. They will keep coming and coming. Weak leadership on our part after 9/11 not fully destroying to victory our enemy quickly and at all cost is and will be the problem until it is done. Now if you want to sit there and pretend it’s our fault or this would end if we would just elect Ron Paul your crazy. Gee just four years ago the crazys of the left believe it was all going to change with Obumber. Yes the world would love us again..Never going to happen. Look where that lead. Half of them are high on crack awaiting the next twetter feed telling them where the next OWS live in a tent event is going to start.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:58pmThevoice, let’s take your logic and use it.
In 1953 America overthrew an elected government in Iran, an act of war by any definition. Who is the mad dog? Iran or America?
America placed its puppet dictator to rule over Iran, an oppressive and tyrannical dictator. Who is the mad dog? Iran or America?
America kept its Shah in power, with force, for 29 years… 29 years of brutal oppression for the Iranians. Who is the mad dog? Iran or America?
Using your very own logic, one must conclude that America should have been put down sooner rather than later… no?
Americans are going to be forced to waste more of its wealth, and risk more of its men and women, for a rogue nation that has brought us nothing but trouble since its founding and our unconditional support. Israel is the problem. The facts and the history bear this out. Only a radical, religious, fundamentalist could see otherwise.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 1:06pm“America placed its puppet dictator to rule over Iran, an oppressive and tyrannical dictator. Who is the mad dog? Iran or America?”
uh yeah the shah was a real tyrant compared to those benevolent mullahs…..take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 1:26pm@rush_is_right
Let’s see, if some nation installed a dictator over here, built bases in your back yard, bombed your friends and family, and then told you that you had no right to defend yourself…what would you do about it?
Please..do tell.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 2:18pmFreedom lover you and the JERK! better grab ure passports and get ure asses over there!
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 2:45pm“Let’s see, if some nation installed a dictator over here, built bases in your back yard, bombed your friends and family, and then told you that you had no right to defend yourself…what would you do about it?”
oh yes its all our fault…we saved those people from a communist dictatorship…how terrible of us….
and we let the mullahs take over….those good libertarian mullahs….
why don’t you tell us how wonderful the mullahs are??
Report Post »dhuge67
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 3:11pmThe_Jerk,
Stop your Ron Paul insanity. Ever heard of National Security? We have global interest and we must protect ours and our allies’, and if you can’t understand that, then go vote for Ronald Paul I guess.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 3:46pm@dhuge67
You must have real problems with Adams view as well then…eh?
http://www.fff.org/comment/AdamsPolicy.asp
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force….
She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….
[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
John Quincy Adams
Those outdated and foolish founding fathers…eh?
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 3:54pm@rush_is_right
The fact that your view of foreign policy is much closer to that of Obama and the CFR than with Jefferson, Adams. and Washington should be enough to wake you up…however you have been brainwashed into believing in a Boogie Man by the NWO shills who run things over here.
Since the rulers of Iran are not nice guys, it would seem quite logical that you would advocate invading every nation on earth who’s rulers are bad dudes…eh?
If not…why not? You could start with North Korea and then take out Pakistan. Why…the list is virtually endless is it not?
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 4:06pm@last frontier
Since my views are the views of the founders, and your‘s is pretty much in line with Obama’s and the CFR… I’ll stay right here and fight to keep NWO hoodwinked fools like you from passing more laws like the NDAA and the Patriot Act that are destroying the Bill of Rights.
What kind of fool would shred the Bill of Rights based on a NWO Boogeyman?
While our rights go up in flames one by one…we have fools like you who gleefully cheer for their own destruction.
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:00pmI say if they ever test fire a nuke in Iran – turn them to glass. They’ll never do it again, and all their neighbors will think twice about messing with the USA.
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:21pmI’ll bet even money that within the next few months Israel blows the s**t out of their “Nuclear Achievements” .
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:31pm“The fact that your view of foreign policy is much closer to that of Obama and the CFR than with Jefferson, Adams. and Washington should be enough to wake you up…however you have been brainwashed into believing in a Boogie Man by the NWO shills who run things over here.”
uh actually you‘re much closer to obama’s BOWING DOWN to your muslim masters….
yeah that 1,400 year war by islam against all that is not islam is just a myth, right? CHARLES MARTEL anyone? yeah he FORCED the muslims to invade france….
what a buffoon you are.
“Since the rulers of Iran are not nice guys, it would seem quite logical that you would advocate invading every nation on earth who’s rulers are bad dudes…eh?”
yeah when they threaten us and want to nuke us… I hope you get the full benefit of your foreign policy…and have to live with the results of it.
I’m sure your idea of BOWING DOWN will work SO much better…it always has, …uh huh…
you’re a quisling and a coward
Report Post »Jim S
Posted on February 12, 2012 at 10:43amOh yes it will be the mother of all announcements…this crap is for domestic consumption…keeps the headlines full of stories other than….our leadership has screwed things up so bad war looks good….mean time some has been druggie singer achieved room temp and that’s our headline…
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on February 12, 2012 at 3:23pmwhat are they painting a big bulls eye in the middle of downtown teran? if you really want a nuke keep pushing youll get one right up your mulas a$$
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on February 12, 2012 at 7:12pmI go with curtain number 2 and all this ********..and as for The_Jerk that says mind your own business? Guess who they are coming for after little satin. Have you heard of big satin? Who do you think they will be after when they are done with Israel…any guess “Jerk”??
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges10
Posted on February 12, 2012 at 10:30pm“Iran will soon unveil “big new” nuclear achievements, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said”
Only, be sure NOT to be looking east during that announcement or you might be blinded by the retaliatory nuclear flash.
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:32amAlso think about this. If Iran really is a “threat” then how come Israel hasn’t acted yet?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:46amIsrael has waited many times for America to fight its wars by proxy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
Israel has been told that America will fight its wars by proxy, and history has proven that assumption to be true. They even stated that the excuse would be WMD’s.
Report Post »http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
fidel1234
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:51amWell behind the scene they already have remember the virus that set them back and then all of a sudden their top nuclear scientist was terminated. Just like in school the guy shooting off his mouth was really scared,it’s the quiet ones you need to worry about.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:12pmThe little told story about Iraq is how America turned over the whereabouts of Iraqi scientists to the Mossad… scientists later killed by these assassins.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 1:07pm“Israel has waited many times for America to fight its wars by proxy.
”
another lie, do you ever tell the truth? did we fight in any of israel’s wars?? no
you’re just another anti-semitic wacko
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:33pmLet’s see. In 67 America did nothing except keep a close eye on Russia. In the Yom Kippur War we didn’t put a single troop on the ground. We did nothing during either of the conflicts in Lebanon. We didn’t help Israel bomb Iraq. Yes we certainly are fighting Israel’s war Smack, thanks for pointing that out.
Report Post »jc1776
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:31amOh, thats just the way they talk over there. Ignore them, all they want is attention anyway.
Report Post »lroundy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:20amWhat sort of logic do we use to fight an enemy that is willing to use suicide bombers (martyrs) to wage war? Logic would say they are willing to do whatever they need to do to win even if it means fighting to the last man. That nothing is off the table anything and everything you can imagine as a weapon or a way to attack the enemy is on the table. No target is off limits, the Geneva Convention, doesn’t exist to them. So how do you use logic on that type of an enemy? The last time this country faced an enemy like that they called their (Martyrs) Kamikaze. We ended that war with the first and only use of nuclear weapons.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:42amObviously, you have no understanding of the situation at hand. Iran is situated between Iraq and Afghanistan. The US has occupied both of those nations for almost a decade. In both countries, violence and death are on the daily news. While I disagree with Iran’s views on alot of issues, they are a sovereign nation and they can do whatever they want to with their own nation inside of their defined borders. If they want to develop a nuclear weapon, so be it.
Also, while alot of money comes out of Iran to provide support for terrorist groups, I’d like to ask you if you know how much money the CIA spends on foreign operations. Watch “Charlie Wilson’s War” to gain a clue as to how much money the US spent supplying what would now be considered terrorist organizations in the 80′s. Until the Iranian gov’t and military launch an attack on the United States or our Allies, we should do nothing. If Iran ever launches a nuclear weapon at a nation in offense, then you can by all means count me in as a supporter of using nuclear weapons to turn their seat of gov’t and military to glass. However, if we start a war, then you can count me as one of the veterans who will refuse to return to military service and I will denounce the war openly in public.
War is hell on earth, not some tool for humanitarian aid or to be used to deter another nation from exercising their own sovereignty.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:58amThat’s what the war mongers say about every enemy.This time it’s different,these people are different then all other people on earth,these people are pure evil etc.The reality is israel now has all the leverage over occupied arabs[palestinians ]and by labeling hamas a terrorist organization they never have to sit down at the peace table.if iran gets a nuke it will have leverage for the palestinians and israel would sit at the peace table with hamas and return to acceptable to all arabs including hamas pre 67 borders. israel wants to hold on to that land they illigally seized in the 67 war. hence they won’t talk to hamas .hence they are at a stale mate.only an empwoered iran who backs the plight of the occupied palestinians can break the stale mate. israel wants the palestinians to disapear into other arab lands.A nuclear powered iran would ensure the palestinains arabs and israelis make peace .israel does not want to reurn to UN mandated pre 67 borders. They’d rather keep up the war footing even if it leads to world war 3.[genocide or arabs/muslims].Unbelievable that you gulls go for this .
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:09pmRose — the Persians don’t give a damn abt the Arabs [Palestinians]. They are not even related theologically. Arabs in this region are sunni while the Persians are shi’a. The only thing that unites them is an abiding hatred of Jews and Christians. When they run out of us, they turn on each other.
The Persians want to push for WW3 to bring abt their Mahdi’s return and approval. It‘s a core belief of the shi’a, just as Love of God and neighbor are at the core of Jewish and Christian theology.
Does every shi’a practice what is believed? No, not any better than all Jews and Christians practice theirs. Most of the populace in Iran just want to live free and at peace. It is most unfortunate for the whole world that the leaders are interested in bringing about the Mahdi’s return.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:18pmlroundy, when I began reading your post I thought that you were talking about the Japanese kamikaze. So, I’m not really sure what the point was. Your words are more akin to the aggressor trying to justify his violence. Iran has done nothing, except being the doormat for American policy… beginning in 1953.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:26pmSgtB, when Israel committed an act of war when it bombed a Syrian facility in 2007, with our intelligence help, why didn’t we go to war with Israel?
When Israel committed an act of war by bombing a facility in Iraq in 1981, with our assistance, why didn’t we go to war with Israel?
Israel is the little guy who goes to the bar with his larger friends, gets drunk, starts a fight, then lets his friends take care of the consequences.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:35pmElena2010: “The only thing that unites them is an abiding hatred of Jews and Christians.”
Who hates who? We overthrow their elected government and say that they hate us and that they hate our freedoms. We impose a tyrannical and oppressive dictator over them, and we say that they hate us and that they hate our freedoms. We keep these people oppressed by forcefully keeping our dictator in power for 29 years, and we say they hate us and they hate our freedoms.
Is there any sense out there, anywhere? They would be foolish to conclude that Jews and Christians do not hate them… because history clearly shows that Christians and Jews really do hate them.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 1:09pm“Israel is the little guy who goes to the bar with his larger friends, gets drunk, starts a fight, then lets his friends take care of the consequences.”
more lies and BS…when did we ever fight for israel? answer: never
Israel has done our dirty work for us, by taking out the reactor that saddam was building and the reactor that assad was building…
you are such a liar.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 1:12pmWho hates who? We overthrow their elected government and say that they hate us and that they hate our freedoms. We impose a tyrannical and oppressive dictator over them, and we say that they hate us and that they hate our freedoms. We keep these people oppressed by forcefully keeping our dictator in power for 29 years, and we say they hate us and they hate our freedoms. ”
do you really think anyone believes the shah was a dictator compare to the mullahs? you keep posting the same old BS…its just laughable….do you enjoy making a fool out of yourself?
“Is there any sense out there, anywhere? They would be foolish to conclude that Jews and Christians do not hate them… because history clearly shows that Christians and Jews really do hate them.”
why don’t you go live in the lands of islam, since you are such an apologist for them? yeah that invasion of formerly christian egypt, syria, northern africa etc…was all the christian’s fault…just like CHARLES MARTEL FORCED THE MUSLIMS TO INVADE FRANCE….
you’re a pathetic idiot.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 1:54pmWar is inevitable with Iran. Like or not, we are their enemy, they do not wish to negotiate with us they want to destroy us. Since the days of the shah we have been the perceived threat that prevents them from achieving greatness. They wish to fight, and I doubt anything will dissuade them from that action.
We will fight, kill and die. If we do not, then the next generation will do it, or the one after that. If we do not fight, then it will be our children who fight for us. We must end this war here and now, or our failure to act will leave the next generation to deal with the problem.
Report Post »M 4 Colt
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:18pmSGBT, first off i want to thank you for your service to our country. Now i just want to say that listing a Hollywood movie as proof of a CIA covert action may be a bit of a stretch, now there might be some truth in that movie but i would be hard pressed to believe anything put out by the FAR LEFT leaning Hollywood types as fact, seeing as they go out of their way to make our Military and country look bad all the time.
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 6:04pm@ RUSH_IS_RIGHT:
…it’s “who hates WHOM”.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:33pm“@ RUSH_IS_RIGHT:
…it’s “who hates WHOM”.
”
uh I was quoting the jerk…reading is fundamental…try english 101
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:46pm@SGTB
Report Post »You say Iran should be allowed to develop nukes. Here’s my question though: Does Iran understand how nukes work or is it just a big bomb to them. Most of what Iran knows about nukes is taken from someone else. They didn’t build those centrifuges; they didn’t figure out how to make fuel rods through research and experimentation. Why should I trust them with a technology that they couldn’t develop on their own? Iran lacks the means to build its own centrifuges and will likely use Russian designs for any bombs and reactors they build. Why else would the government be the one behind it and not private industry? Answer: They don’t have a private industry.
tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:54pm@Rose
So Israel illegally seized the territories in 67? Here’s a few questions for you (and anyone else). Why was illegal for Israel but just fine for Jordan and Egypt? If Israel wants the land, why haven’t they annexed it? Jordan did. Why has Israel offered to hand over land when neither Jordan or Egypt did? If all the Palestinians want is land, why does Hamas continue to attack Israel AFTER they pulled out of Gaza? In my opinion, repaying a withdrawal with increased violence makes Israel LESS likely to negotiate.
Also, how is Hamas not a terrorist group? Does blowing up buses and restaurants not count as terrorism? Ambushing soldiers is one thing, but massacring civilians? Hamas to this day doesn‘t recognize Israel’s right to exist. Until that changes there’s nothing to discuss.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:17pm@Rose
Report Post »UN mandated pre-67 borders? I’m sorry but WHAT? When has the UN ever said that those were the official borders? More importantly, why does the UN get to make that decision? The borders in Europe were agreed upon by the nations there through treaties and negotiations. Anything less in the Middle East can’t be considered binding in any way. The UN has no say in this matter. The most they can do is make suggestions or act as a middleman. They can’t force peace upon them.
KathleenElsie
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:18amI believe that in a few days Iran will be speaking from a powerful and dangerous position. Lets hope and pray I am wrong.
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:53amTel Aviv disappears off the face of the earth and Achmanutjob tells the world “It worked”.
Talking did a lot of good didn’t it Odumba$$? Washington is next.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:59amThat would be his style; announce to the world via detonation of a nuclear device – after the nation of Jerusalem is hit; and at the same time Obama will tell him “WE SURRENDER – Welcome to the Islamic Republic of America.”
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:05amUsually fairy-tales like this begin with the words, “Once upon a time.” This is pure propaganda.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:06amOooooh he shouldn’t have done that! Its going to mess up the Madonna tour schedule to Israel.
Expect War soon guys and gals. They are pushing both Israel (of course) and the USA (of course) because they really do believe that their big brothers called Rusky and Chin are going to back them up from any attack.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:06amAnd, by the way, Jerusalem is not a nation.
The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:17amChiefGeorge, sadly you are correct. Fox News, via O’Reilly and Hannity, are doing a repeat performance of its run-up to Iraq. What I find most baffling about this, is that O’Reilly admitted his mistake regarding Iraq. Only a fool repeats his actions, expecting a different result.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:19am@jerk…
Report Post »The Bible refers to Jerusalem as a nation, so it is often still used that way.
Also, it is sometimes used to refer to the Jewish people world over.
Lastly, we all know what was meant.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:53amThese idiots would probably aim at Tel Aviv, hit the Palestinians and the world order as we know it would likely blame Israel. That is what a twisted mess we line in today.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:55amYeah , Ah(mad)inejad is getting a new pair of stack shoes
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:16pmJerk
You comparing North Korea to a Muslim country like Iran is a inaccurate
and very poor comparison.
Muslim Countries “like Iran” are under a religious “cultic” belief system .
They believe in (killing the Infidel = KILLING NON-MUSLIMS)
And in doing so “they” Iran and “other” Muslim Extremist Countries
are doing the work of “their god” …“Allah” .
Even if means killing themselves in the process
This is the same ideology that gave us 9/11.
This argument is getting old.
Report Post »Go pedal that garbage over at the huffpo.
I use to think you were just uninformed .
I now know ….Your condition is much worse..!
The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:43pmSawbuck, as you are well aware from the previous postings, America has killed more Iranians than Iranians killing Americans. We kept a butcher in power over these people for 29 years, a dictator that was even making us cringe near the end.
Garbage is a man, making a comment, that can not back that comment up with facts… much like your last. We can debate without name calling… a practice used by fundamentalists that can not justify their words or deeds.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 2:47pm“We kept a butcher in power over these people for 29 years, a dictator that was even making us cringe near the end. ”
uh the shah made jimmuh carter cringe…but then carter never found a pro-american government he liked…he much preferred fascist/communist dictators…proving he was just another jerk.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:43pmJerk
You cite liberal- bias websites , in defending your stance .
The same argument’s you use ,
Is the same drivel that is coming out of Iran and most the Muslim Nations.
Like I said “garbage”…!
Furthermore …This comment “you made” .
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And, by the way, Jerusalem is not a nation.
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Tells me all I need to know about you and your line of thinking .
Report Post »Not only is it a waist of time to argue with a person,
that doesn’t believe in the WORD OF GOD …
It also tells me he is a fool…!
sawbuck
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 5:55pmJerk.
Report Post »And by the way it’s “Israel” not “Jerusalem” ..!
I cant keep up with your half-truth nonsense .
IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:39amUsually anyone that think they are bigger then God will have their ideas blow up in their face.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:58amlol, & this coming from a midget, lmao, poof.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:04pmThis nut job remindes me of “ Plankton ” on Sponge bob square pants.
Report Post »paleoman
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:29amJust remember Israel is watching with a finger on the trigger. Iran is nothing.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:38amIt is true, and a historical fact, that the most aggressive nation in the Middle East is Israel. This is why America should have never involved itself with the Zionists. Truman was warned that this would be our fate, but his desire for power overruled his head.
Lordchamp
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:59amThe most aggressive? Again your history fails you. Israel throughout history has been attacked from all sides. It has only been a State since 1948 and since then has been attacked by numerous countries that surround it. You again should stay away from the liberal/progressive/anti-semantic sites and read read, true history.
You have a State that is the size of maybe Connecticut completely surrounded by people that hate them and want them destroyed and say as much. Doesn’t make much sense for them to be the aggressor does it.
This is the same crap that the Germans started feeding their people back in the 1920‘s and 1930’s even before there was a State of Israel.
Quit drinking the koolaid and do your own research AWAY from all the obviously anti-semetic sites.
The truth of history just does not support your argument.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:02am“It is true, and a historical fact, that the most aggressive nation in the Middle East is Israel.”
you’re an anti-semitic jerk…..your name fits you….moron.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:12amLord, enlighten us. What nation in the Middle East has attacked its neighbors more than Israel? And Rush, shame on you. When you run out of substance and fact you resort to labeling… something I did predict in my earlier posting. It’s a common tactic… usually used by the left… but it does show how different we really are not.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:12pmYOURAJERK you sir are appropriately named, Israel is always under attack and they rarely defends themselves and under constant hammering from evil bastards in the UN and people like yourself, and maybe you would see it if you stopped getting your news from Al Jazeera.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:18pmJERKOFF I think you should go over to the muslims without borders blog, you must have ended up here by mistake.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:48pmLast frontier, what is abundantly clear is that you have provided no evidence, fact, or history, to bolster your claims. This is a very common practice, as evidenced on this thread. It is also the practice of a radical fundamentalist, one who acts on belief without evidence.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 2:32pmYou have provided everyone here with all the evidence we need to prove you are a JERK, and there are many other countries better suited for asses like yourself, Venezuela, North Korea} and if I didn’t know any better I would think you are that arsshole Ed Shutlz and if your not ed, I think you keep your nostrils pretty close to his arss. BECAUSE YOU BOTH DRIBBLE OUT THE SAME ANTI AMERICAN ********!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:13pm@SmackTheJerkDown
Report Post »Israel was attacked in 1948. In 1967 Nasser had formed an alliance with the intention of attacking Israel AND had blockaded one of their ports. You really believe he wasn’t going to attack? In 1973, Israel was attacked ON THE HOLIEST DAY ON THE JEWISH CALENDAR. Israel did cooperate in the Suez War with Britain and France, but once again their main goal was to break the blockade around Eilat. So far I count 3 counts of aggression by Egypt and its allies and a fourth that could be argued either way. Both Lebanon conflicts were a response to rocket attacks. That covers all the major conflicts. So far, I think Japan and Nazi Germany still beat out Israel for most aggressive in the 20th century. Even America has been the assessor more often.
tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:19pmSorry that should say “aggressor”.
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:03amDo you know what the difference is between wise men and regular people?
It’s not age. It’s not experience. Heck it’s not even knowledge. The wise know that it is important to do one thing. Think with LOGIC. Not emotion.
Too many people here and across the nation are thinking through fear. Not logic. Then they wonder why the government and media do the things they do. They do it because they know how to work your emotions and get the response they want you to have. Not the logical one.
So why don’t you guys take a step back and think it though before you jump on the “OMG WE MUST WAR WITH IRAN RIGHT NOW!” bandwagon.
Report Post »Gripes
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:18amA wise person also has the experience to be able to tell when the opponent is using logic. A wise man uses experience and knowledge to understand the thought process of the opponent. This opponent has a thought process that is not logical but steeped in fanatical religion. Most people who try to think logically forget that the opponent does not necessarily think logically.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:20amKeeping an eye on an enemy while he’s rattling his sword at you is “wanting to go to war”? To turn your back to your enemy is a foolish act!
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:25amHow do you know they don’t think logically? You don’t. You do yourself a GREAT disservice by thinking your opponent is nothing but “a bunch of crazy religious fanatics”. If they really were nothing but religious fanatics then how come they are in the position they are in now?
If you take a step back and look at everything the state of Iran has done over the last forty years you realize that they are just as cold and calculating as we are. They do everything within the guise of a plan too. So don’t try to play them off as just a bunch of crazies. That’s what Custer thought too about the Indians.
And for the second poster. None of the candidates are saying we need to ‘watch’ Iran. They are saying we need to bomb them the day they set foot in office. If they just wanted to watch Iran than their positions would be identical to Paul’s.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:29amGripes, at some point your logic must meet reality. Tell us the last time your alleged fanatics of Iran attacked another nation? Even though the U.S. involved itself in the domestic affairs of Iran via a coup d’etat, and even though America kept a monster in power who oppressed your alleged fanatics, they never attacked. I surely would have, wouldn’t you?
Report Post »Rashomon
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:29amAh the nuclear camel.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:30amSo Paul would watch then “act” ?
Report Post »Lordchamp
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:40amThe reality is that Iran knows they can bring us down almost without firing a shot. If they (islamist) gain control of the oil supplies, they can strangle us because of our stupidity. So what option do we currently have except to respond? It’s stupid. It’s bad. But what options are there at this late date?
It ends that we are actually fighting for our survival as a Country. If 10 years ago we had actively pursued developing our own internal energy sources, we would not be in this position.
Reality is, imagine our oil imports cut by over half or even more. How would we survive? We would not even have enough fuel to support any chance to regain control of the oil supplies.
That unfortunately is the reality of our situation. Like it or not.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:41amI think this is a good time to introduce a song written for another time but seems to apply to your comment today! Which boils down to, lets talk and find common ground! Please! What you as a “Wise man?” fail to consider is that their is no common ground that we can agree on when the choices are convert or die idiot!
I wrote the song “Troubled land” about 1yr. after 9/11. At the time we were arguing about whether we should stop the Afghan war and not attack Iraq & start talking to Muslim leaders to find a way to appease them. Today we have the great appeaser (Obama) cutting & running, giving up the gains toward freedoms that so many oppressed people now have. Gains we have shed our suns and daughters blood for.
Its those people who think they know how to think better then everyone else that winds up looking stupid!
We have in a sense snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory! I think the song is back in Vogue. Just insert any of the current jihad’ies names and go with it? “Troubled Land” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12095439
Report Post »go2gym
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:42am@SychinLegacy – So give your thoughts on what Iran is doing. All you did there was bash those you see as on a war bandwagon. Explain the thoughts YOU have on the matter.
Report Post »I Stand With Israel
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:45amWhy don’t you think with logic for a minute and realize that we are dealing with a lunatic that makes all of his decisions on emotions, and if we try to deal with him in a logical manner, we will again be wondering what happpened to all of the Jews that Hitler could not ‘logically’ murder because the world would not allow it.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:54amLord, you are creating a boogie man that is much larger than his britches. This is the only way to justify hostility and aggression. Oil was cut back in the 70′s, and we survived. And, it was cut when the recession hit from the Vietnam war… coincidentally, a result produced by the unnecessary trillion dollar Iraq war.
Report Post »skippy6
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:59amJust sit right back and watch it unfold, don’t take them seriously!!! Nobody likes war but it is just a matter of time..You might not believe the 12th Imam is coming back, but they do!!!! and that’s what matters…This will be WW III…. the hour is late….too late for sanctions… tick tick tick….booooom!!
Report Post »Lordchamp
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:11amYes jerk it was cut but at that time we were not 15 trillion in debt, pushing a real unemployment rate of around or above 20%. We and the world were much more stable. Currently, the REALITY is that it would take very little to throw the world into utter chaos. Again, do the research. The facts and figures are out there as long as you avoid the main stream media.
We’re being lied to on all sides and very few know how fragile we currently are. There is absolutely NOTHING backing up our financial system. NOTHING…not gold, silver, not production, nothing. It’s all a sham.
No boogie man, just facts that are readily available if you search even a little.
So again to answer you about the late 70′s, the situation is totally different, like apples and oranges. The only similarity is that foreign oil is still involved. We‘ve haven’t learned a thing and time is fast approaching that we will have to pay the piper for our stupidity.
Please prove me wrong. I don’t concede to anything except proven facts so get them straight.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:13amThats all well and good, but if those who vow to kill you then say they are on the verge of producing evidence of a bigger and better bomb in which to do it with, then you will react like you say with Logic. That logic will need to take you to the next step…nerve and follow through. Thats called Decision time. I think thats all anyone is saying here. Liberal think with their hearts….don’t cast that net so indiscriminately here as if you know for sure people are emoting instead of deciding what must be done. Logic after the fact will only tell Israel they were blown to bits with millions dead and why didn’t they act in time. There will be a lot of emoting then.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:14amA wise man listens when he is threatened.
He learns from history. So, when madmen walk, talk, and act like they are hiding a nuclear armament program, he knows it is wise to doubt words to the contrary.
Underground facilities with camouflage? Is that how honest sincere countries develop nuclear power?
Trust is EARNED. Do you trust your preschooler with knives? Or, do you progressively accept their further growth with their eventual, responsible use of knives, fire, and eventually guns?
I know what the wise man does!
Invoking “wise man” analogies does not make a position valid or true.
Facts and history and experience DO!
So before you go dismissing age and experience, claiming “wisdom” is nothing more than “logic”, perhaps you would do well to remember God’s commands to respect our elders, and to honor thy father and mother.
I believe education has led our children to believe they know more than their parents.
A young man finds his father sitting in the dark. Thinking himself “wise” the young man reaches for the light switch. Being wise the father did not. He had been shocked too often by that switch. So the son’s “wisdom” needed EXPERIENCE.
“At twenty years of age the will reigns; at thirty, the wit; and at forty, the judgment”
“He that’s secure is not safe” – Ben Franklin
“When I was 16, I thought my parents knew nothing. When I was 21, I was shocked to discover how much they had picked up in the last 5 years.” Winston Churc
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:16am@ the jerk,
The answer is the IRAN vs IRAQ WAR where they both lobbed missiles indiscriminately at each others cities. The more recent has been they funding and participation in undermining our War efforts in Iraq thus dragging that War on longer than it should have. The other more recent is their backing of Hezzbollah in Lebanon to attack constantly Israelis with unguided missiles into city areas. Stop defending Iran. They export terror.
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:24amI didn’t realize so many people cared about my opinion but here it is I guess.
Iran getting a nuke is bad yes. I agree there. However as it stands we are in no position to do anything about it. We already have at least four land wars in Muslim countries and are over 100% debt to GDP. We don’t have the man power or the money to do anything about it.
That said. We also would be morally wrong if we attacked them first. Even if we try to use the excuse “WELL THEY WERE GOING TO NUKE ISRAEL”. The bible teaches us that the only righteous war is a defensive war. Where we only protect ourselves from a direct threat. Not from what we perceive MIGHT be a threat.
And I do agree with Ron Paul on the part that we keep inflaming an already volatile situation and making it much much worse for ourselves. I don’t believe that the only reason they hate us is that we went over there and started it. But that is the primary cause for the exponential escalation.
And I’m tired of the media and politicians fear mongering, lying, pandering, and misleading the people so that they can tighten their control on the people via a police state. They need there to always be a bad guy so we will be willing to sacrifice liberty for security. And I‘m even more tired of the people believing the hype because they react out of emotion and don’t think the issue through.
So there you go. Pick which ever of the four you like the best.
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:34amOh here’s a fifth. Israel is more than capable of handling Iran themselves. They don’t need us to be their infantry. So how about instead we give them the green light and let them take care of Iran at no cost to us.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:42amTomFerrari, when a child threatens an adult does the adult kill the child? And, who threatens who more, a nation that has had its government overthrown with a tyrannical dictator placed in charge, or a smaller nation that has attacked no nation, even when it had cause?
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:15pmIMAJERK is another FRINGE DINGLEPALL.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 2:37pmWell said Neville Chamberlain. you guys are useful idiots that Stalin sought out.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:50am“Remember the Maine.” Deja vu all over again.
Iran is no national security threat to America. It’s that simple. All is hype. Sensible people should know better. Iran to the U.S. would be like a Little League team against the NY Yankees. All of this propaganda is for Israel, and most of the movement is fed by fundamentalists that have no grounding in reality.
Report Post »Same was done in Iraq. There were WMD’s that never really existed. There was Saddam looking for yellow cake in Niger, that was a lie. There were aluminum tubes that were alleged to be for nuclear reactors, even though they were the wrong length and thickness… all lies. On and on, for what?
All for Israel, the only nation to have benefited from dead and wounded Americans, and a trillion dollars of American wealth.
Syria and Iran are next. How do I know this? It was all written about back in 1996. It was a strategic study written by Americans with loyalty to Israel… and they made it happen.
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:05am“Iran is no national security threat to America. It’s that simple. All is hype. Sensible people should know better. Iran to the U.S. would be like a Little League team against the NY Yankees. ”
are you on drugs? have you missed the last 30 years or so? hmmm?? IEDs anyone? beirut bombing? who do you think was behind that?
Report Post »Lordchamp
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:14amThe problem is not Iran itself. Of course, IF we were able to actually go to war against them, a real war, not a politically controlled war, we would crush them and quickly. However, we know that will never happen.
The problem with Iran is that they can be the hub that unites the rest of the middle east back into the islamic state that they all want. If that were to happen we then face a VERY strong opponent and they also control most if not all the oil in the region which then shuts down our economy.
If we had been developing our internal energy needs, instead of wasting time and money on stupid green crap, we would not have to worry about Iran or the middle east. Let them kill each other.
Israel has proven time and again that they are capable of defending themselves with minor help like supplies, etc. I think they are even more prepared now. Israel might be getting blamed for this but it’s not them…it‘s oil and our survival because of our stupidity and especially the stupidity of this administration’s energy policies.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:15amI find it interesting that you can post the same old lies…and I can’t post anything to refute you…
saddam was after yellowcake…the butler report confirmed it….
wikileaks confirmed saddam did have WMDs…get a clue.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:21amRush, it’s almost embarrassing to have to point this out to you, because you should know better. America overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran. How threatening was Iran then?
America forcefully kept a tyrannical and oppressive dictator in power, in Iran, for 29 years. How threatening was Iran?
When the Iranian people had had enough, they took hostages and took over the embassy that had overthrown their government, and the embassy responsible for keeping the tyrannical Shah in power. How much of a threat was Iran?
When was the last time this alleged nation of fanatics and warmongers attacked any of its neighbors? Not in your lifetime.
Use your head. That’s what it is for.
Report Post »Lordchamp
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:30amAnd Germany in the 1920‘s and 1930’s was just “protecting” itself while the world stood by and ignored all the signs AND their words. How’d that work out for us? We have made many, many mistakes as a Country, sometimes meddling where we shouldn‘t but to ignore ANY Country that states as one of it’s goals to destroy the US would be naive and stupid. They realize they cannot beat us in a head to head battle which is why they will do it with other means.
It appears you might be the one that needs to remove your head from the sand. You quote only history that fits yours argument but ignore other history that very easily refutes it. It all must be taken as a big picture. When you do that you easily see that the reforming of the caliphate is the desired end result. If that happens, they win and we lose unless we are prepared which at this time WE ARE NOT….not even close.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:34amLord, your domino theory was the excuse for Vietnam back in the 60′s. Have we not learned anything?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:47amLord, you artfully state that I choose the history that suits my results all the while presenting no history yourself. Fact is, Germany in the !930′s became a world power, more like America than Iran… so your comparison falls intellectually short on fact.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:00am“Rush, it’s almost embarrassing to have to point this out to you, because you should know better. America overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran. How threatening was Iran then?”
uh yeah we saved them from a communist government…again get a clue….and we allowed khomeini to take over…I’m sure you are happy with that.
“America forcefully kept a tyrannical and oppressive dictator in power, in Iran, for 29 years. How threatening was Iran?”
oh yeah oppressive…compared to the dinner jacket? you’re a wacko.
“When was the last time this alleged nation of fanatics and warmongers attacked any of its neighbors? Not in your lifetime. ”
I‘m sure you’re fine with them supply IEDs to kill our troops aren’t you now? who do yo think was behind the bombing of our troops in beirut?? hmmm??
your head is where the sun doesn’t shine obviously
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:36pmGermany and Japan, they were just small countries that posed no threat to the UNITED STATES, we almost lost that war. and jerkoff to your oil comment, people like yourself are blocking us from getting our own oil from our own land, now get back to your OWS TENT SO CAN COLLECT YOUR 60 BUCKS!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:36pm@Jerk
Report Post »How is getting a nuke and developing ICBMs not an attempt to become a world power? Should we attack tomorrow? No. Should we turn our back on them and say “Well they haven’t attacked us before”? No. What we should do is keep a VERY close eye on Iran and let them know we are doing so. That way, should they make one move to threaten us or anybody else, we would be ready to step in. Germany only became a world power because the rest of the world ignored Hitler’s attempts to become a world power.
tzion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:43pmI’m surprised that you would even claim Saddam never had WMDs. We know he had them. Not only because we found them in Iraq but more importantly because he USED them. Ever hear about how during the Gulf War Saddam was launching chemical weapons at Israel? How about how he used them against Kurds living in his own country? Next thing you’ll tell me is that America never put a man on the moon.
Report Post »Pray_For_Us_All
Posted on February 13, 2012 at 8:25amThe_Jerk
How on earth can you say that Iran is no threat to Israel or the US. I will be praying for you because based on your statements throughout this blog you are either under the influence of something or the devil has you brainwashed. Iran speaks openly about wiping Israel of the map, threatens the US of attacks on our soil and abroad, and they do not even recognize that the Holocaust ever happened. If you want to stand with Iran that is your cross to bear and I will pray that one day you can find God. I suggest that you head on over to Iran and show your support for them over there.
Report Post »robert
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:46amI don’t think the West should underestimate Iran.
It has 70 million people and a terrain that is more rugged than Afghanistan, and they have numerous weapons trained on the Persian Gulf which could close the Strait of Hormuz, causing the global economy to tank when 40% of the world’s oil stops flowing from the region.
The US could vaporize Iran in a head to head match, but I think it’s a mistake if the politicians and Pentagon brass expect that it would ever be anything similar to the cakewalk like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran has several thousand Sunburn missiles they’ve been acquiring from Russia. They zip along just above the water at over 2 mach speed, and they’re undectible by radar. They also have the S-300 anti-aircraft/anti-missile system in place now according to Debka and Stratfor.
While having these weapons won’t mean defeat for the US, Iran will be able to cause much damage to any ships in the Persian Gulf and will be able to eliminate many planes in an aerial attack.
What I find curious is that politicians meekly backed down against North Korea after numerous threats to that country, and they’re actually shipping nuclear materiuals to other countries, something the politicians claim Iran would do if they got the bomb.
My question is, Why back off from North Korea, since it is a far greater threat to peace than Iran, yet scream hysterically over Iran, which isn’t militarily as strong as North Korea?
Israel?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:55amIsrael is the answer. Any non-fundamentalist who has studied the history could tell you the same. American’s have been fed a steady diet of yellow journalism, Hearst-style. Anyone pointing out the obvious is called antisemitic, the very purpose of the word… used to shut down debate and criticism.
Report Post »rdk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:56amNorth Korea is more or less controlled by China.
Report Post »More importantly North Koreans do not have a rabid religious belief system.
ashestoashes
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:00am@ROBERT.. Could that be because oil is the issue with Iran..and they see this as being the biggest threat? Also..in reading your post..I was wondering if you saw in the last few days that North Korea had acquired drones made in the US and it was believed that they had acquired them from Syria? Curiously. the comments for that article had been closed.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:10amNorth Korea is doing, and has done, what we allege Iran may someday do… is this making any sense to the fundamentalists licking their chops for another war? It’s not about oil. If it were, the Canadian pipeline would have been approved. America has oil, and we all know it… or should know it.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:30am@THE JERK This country has always chosen to get its oil from the sons of Ishmael..the arabs..(who have gotten uber rich off the US )have an interest as well as the US..Remember..the US has partnered with the Muslim Brotherhood..Iran is no friend to Arabia..is she? Hasn‘t someone on here alluded to the fact that Israel could partner with Arabia to kick Iran’s butt? I think as Robert suggested that Iran has a lot of control over our shipments of oil..You see..there is an allegiance to Arab oil from the US perspective..some kind of deal..plus..the Muslim Brotherhood’s goal is to implement Sharia Law here..It’s all about control..If Iran takes out our oil supply..there goes our military and may place America literally on her feet.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:04amAshestoashes, Iran has no control of oil shipments to our country. Iran does not posses the power to project its will, and the only reason that Iran today despises America is because of America’s actions regarding Iran.
Iran needs a nuclear weapon because its enemy, and the most aggressive nation in its neighborhood, Israel, has hundreds. Pakistan and India did the same. Had we not given Israel nukes, all would be moot.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:16am@THE JERK..maybe it wouldn’t make a difference..but check out Robert’s post again..I believe he said that Iran has missiles trained on the Persian Gulf which could close the Strait of Hormez cutting off 40% of our oil supply..I don’t have time to check it..I have to be going for now.. How would that affect us..to lose 40%?
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:44amSomethng I find ironically funny:
People call Ron Paul crazy because he cites Osama Bin Laden‘s words on why him and Al’Qaeda attacked us. “We can’t believe what HE says! He‘s obviously lying and we can’t believe any word he says and anyone who cites his words is a lying crazy man
Then Ahmadinejad comes out and says he has big secrets to unveil and those same people go “OMG LISTEN we have to listen to what he’s saying we have to take him 100% seriously because he’s completely NOT trying to deceive or get attention or mask his intentions!”
Have your cake and eat it too?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:43am@SYKCINLEGACY….Really? Ron Paul didn’t come up for the reason for 9/11 for no reason..that was the findings of the CIA…get it? It was a formal report of their investigations..Of course.. just because that was the findings of the CIA..it doesn’t necessarily make it true now does it..It could have been far more sinister than that..I am betting that the Muslim Brotherhood (whom the Us is partnered with) is the “high man” on the totem pole..since they were founded in the 1920′s and I would bet that Al Quaeda..Hamaas and Hezbollah receive their orders from them.. Interesting that Obama and Hilary just helped paid rebels in Islamic countries take down ours and Israel’s friends in the ME.. and replace them with Sharia Law ones..
Report Post »Whether you like it or not..no one running has a plan to cut foreign theocracies Communism’Islam out of our government but Ron Paul..He is the only Constitutionalist running..THe others are for the NWO..big government..and the people aren’t ready to be set free..but when they are..it won’t matter.
ashestoashes
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:51am@SYCNCHIN Sorry..I reread your post and realized that you are supporting Dr Paul…
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:32amAhmadinejad: Iran to Unveil ‘Big New’ Nuclear Achievements
President Ahmadinejad of Iran announces that Monday he will stick Iran’s first built Nuclear Bomb up his butt and Test it.
YAHOOOOOOOO
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:39amYippee!!!! Seal Team 7 would you do the honors!LOL!!
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:11amI find it hard to be passionate about this debate anymore.
I will pull the lever for whomever is running against this current administration come Nov.
“IF’ we get there.
Our borders have been over-run ,we don’t know what and who is already here…!
Just waiting for just the right moment ..!
Using the ‘Football Analogies” …I have heard lately …For America.
I heard Clint Eastwood say it’s halftime .
Report Post »I heard Glenn Beck say it’s at the 2 minute warning .
I happen to believe we are in “Sudden Death”…!
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:09amIran’s ‘Big New’ Nuclear Achievement is Ron Paul. His face is probably on a poster at their facilty (along with Obama’s).
Iran, the Democratic Party and Ron Paul have much in common. All three have the ability to sway the dumbest among us.
Classic case of what drugs do to people.
Report Post »robert
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:27amTIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
I’m NOT a Ron Paul supporter, but I find it curious that you’re one of these trolls who come on here, pretending that you have a particular point of view, some of which is designed to placate the overall idelogy on this forum, because you think it gives you more validity when you denigrate Paul.
I think it’s just short of imbecilic to expect that you will have any influence here, but I don’t expect you to understand any of that.
The only reason someone would have such fanatical zeal as you do is because Paul believes in putting America first over Israel, and you think by denigrating him you will sway opinion against him and, therefore, help Israel in the process of it all.
Are you like Ben Stein who called Paul an Anti-semite because he criticized Israel over their policy, because it was detrimental to the United States?
If that’s the reason, why don’t you move to Israel where you can actually take up arms in its defense, because you obviously love it more than you do your own country.
You’re one of anti-American fools on here who needs a dose of deportation to set you straight, like Ben Stein who also prefers Israel over his own country.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:41am@robert
“You’re one of anti-American fools on here who needs a dose of deportation to set you straight,”
Let me tell you something about what being anti-American is. If someone says “I want my candidate to win and if he doesn’t, I’ll just write him in and help 0bama finish destroying this country.”
That’s anti-American. Making people aware that such people actually live among us is very much pro-American.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:50amROBERT. For a “NOT” Paul guy… you were “talking up” Paul pretty fervently the other day… for a “NOT” Paul guy. The rest of what you have to say to me is a moot point except that you seem pretty anti-Israel yourself… like Ron Paul. Who one of his closest long time aides and confidants said in a nut-shell… Paul has no use for Israel and Israelis… just wishes they would go away (like Iran making them go away?).
“I think it’s just short of imbecilic to expect that you will have any influence here, but I don’t expect you to understand any of that.”
I‘m thinking you’re intimidated by what I have to say….. ROBERT the “NOT” Ron paul guy.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:01amQP. ROBERT is a “NOT” Ron Paul guy. Bwa-ha-ha-ha. Just another Paul supporter who is Romney delegate guy… and in the end run (you know, it’s all about delegates).. throws his support to HIS “NOT” guy… Ron Paul.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:12amSorry Robert…all I read was Paul, Paul , Paul…maybe if you’ll defend another candidate, it might help your case.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:25amIt pee’s off Ron Paul groupies more than anything else that many Republican Conservatives have a particular horse in the running (I‘ve decided Santorum best exemplifies what I’m looking for), but will vote for the “eventual nominee” in the end.
For the Ron Paul groupie that is unimaginable. They would rather see someone like Obama remain (as punishment/conscience)… who thousands upon thousands of Paul supporters actually DID vote for in 2008, or endorse someone like Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader because their messiah said so. Ron Paul supporters are NOT team players, nor are they Republicans. They are left of Obama in most cases, just right of URANUS on most others except for some economic issues. Liberals and Libertines who like cash in their pockets to pursue their greatest loves… drugs, porn and chaotic self-serving BS.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:00am@TIME_To_END I used to only vote for a candidate if they supported Israel..Netanyahu has said they do not need our help.. They don’t..they have over 300 nukes.. and if Paul were President..he would help them but by Congressional decision..He has voted for their right to defend themselves..remember Bush wouldn’t let them when they wanted to bomb Iran..We have always given more than twice the amount of foreign aide to Israel’s enemies than to her..So in other words..we have kept her hands tied..Paul won’t do that. The Bible plainly states that God will gather the nations to go against her.. but Jesus himself steps in and all of Israel will be saved..but only one third will hold to her newly found faith in Jesus and the two thirds..God will allow to be destroyed..It’s all in ZECH 12..13…and 14… That’s the way prophesy reads TIME.. it’s not in your hands.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:05am@OPIE and TIME…Robert is probably the most intelligent one on here…and if you get one of your guys..then it will be no different than Obama..so us Paul groupies don’t really care..
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 11:17am@TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Eeerrrrrr, for a person who claims they hate Obama’s policies you sure have a funny way of demonstrating it.
Your positions on foreign policy are FAR closer to Obama’s and the CFR than they are to Jefferson, Adams, and Washington.
And as for trying to place Paul supporters on this site in the Obama camp…well all one can say is you are a buffoon.
The NWO offers you a so called choice which is nothing but 2 sides of the same coin, and your ilk fall for it.
You are willing to destroy the Bill of Rights based on a Boggie Man, and willingly vote for an NDAA candidate who thinks giving Obama the right to have you arrested with no charges, trial, or release date is an acceptable idea.
Enjoy your NWO chains…fool.
Report Post »robert
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:25pmSERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:12am
“Sorry Robert…all I read was Paul, Paul , Paul…maybe if you’ll defend another candidate, it might help your case.”
If there are unjust comments about somebody I think doesn’t deserve them I will…….and I have. I tell it like it is and let the chips fall where they may. I don‘t think I’ve ever given a disingenuous opinion. I believe what I write, and I’m ready to defend all of it from legitimate opposing views.
Personally, for me, none of the candidates are what I would like, but I’m in agreement in part by some of the issues eachone of them advocates.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:56pmI respect your opinion and response Robert….thanks.
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:07amJust keep allowing The Bully to get away with it, and he is going to try something different! He needs the Billy Belt on his back!
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:03amdon’t worry obama will BOW DOWN, and everything will be ok…
after all the paulbots keep telling us its our fault they hate us….yeah just ignore that 1,400 year old war by islam against all that are not muslim….
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:11amBarry will indeed be on his knees since he was on his knees constantly in the bath houses in Chicago.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:18amThe largest donor to a SuperPAC supporting Ron Paul is Peter Thiel, the sort of ultra-wealthy, super-national figure Paul and his supporters love to hate.
Thiel — who gave $900,000 to the pro-Paul group Endorse Liberty — made his fortune as the co-founder of PayPal; he was also an early investor in Facebook, and is now a major player in the world of high-tech venture capital. He’s also a devoted libertarian and devoted Republican: He hosted a fundraiser for the confrontational gay conservative group GOProud at his grand apartment off Union Square in 2010.
Thiel is also a member of the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, the elite, invitation-only conference that’s the frequent subject of conspiracy theories.
“They probably get together and talk about how they’re going to control the banking systems of the world and natural resources,” Ron Paul said in 2008.
Thiel shares, though, Paul’s anti-government, and anti-Establishment, impulses.
Report Post »jeffreyjames
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:45amOh, forget this. I think it would be better to talk about birth control and eating your vegetables!!! Gimme a break.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:58amA child once asked, please pass the peace and carrots.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:41amObama administration, U.N. and IAEA are being made fools of by Ahmadinejad.
Report Post »SFsuper49er
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:53amThis is what happens when you talk to people like this instead of acting . This should have been dealt with a long time ago.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:33amthis murdering muslum days are short n numberd he n syria shall bash thier heads in togeather n be removed… there IS no heaven for muslums obnly HELL
Report Post »Countrygirl1362
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:32amI would guess that either Russia or China has helped them build a nuclear bomb.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:36am“Surprise!
Report Post »We have already had the bomb for a year now, ha ha, you sill fools”
Considering Pakistan, North Korea, etc….all have one, How hard do yuo think it would be for them to change hands?
SamIamTwo
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:59amAnd once they have it, we will leave them alone to their own devices…scary thought…
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:47amIsrael has 2 nuclear armed subs..its a stand off..If they use there one bomb they face total destruction.. so the big question, is,Ahmandinejad willing to sacrifice all of Iran..
Report Post »ThePostman
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:31amSince they have already assured the world that they do not have a weapons program, the “big new nuclear development” surely is that they have produced their first batch of hospital isotopes.
“Hospital Isotopes”, of course, being codewords for “nuclear weapon”… Everyone uses code words. Obama says he wants to help the “poor” when he really means “my rich black friends”.
The 500,000,000,000 dollar Solyndra-style loans lossed could have paid each of the 10,000,000 unemployed Americans 50,000 dollars each last year, and that is a teeny tiny drop in the bucket compared to government waste. Anyone wondering why we are having a recession? It is a forced recession caused by government spending.
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:02amOh, but things are getting better……..don’t you know? (sarcasim) To bad about the Keystone pipe line also. Our president wants to tear this country apart but quite a few don’t see it yet. I am wondering what it will take for these loons to catch on?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:06amThey do not have anything that could even lob a watermelon over a fence as far as deployment goes. They are a PAPER TIGER.
Remember the Iraqi Republican Guard? Yea…same thing. They will run like little girls if Israel shows some muscle. They are a bunch of lying Muslims and you are afraid of them…Grow some balls…They are blowhards.Thgey have nothing to harm anyone but themselves (they might start glowing in the dark)
If Iran could do ANYTHING to harm Israel they would have done it. Bring our troops home before all of Iran crosses our Southern border and we have them all on welfare.
If you are afraid of Iran, you have believed the myth the Neocon war machine has built.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:17amAll they have to do is sneak one over our porous border though Doggy.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:21amDidn’t obama say the same thing…don’t worry about the them, they’re a little country. So who here is following his advice…hmmm?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:30am@ Gonzo…That is why we need our troops home. They cannot deploy anything to reach us but they sure could sneak a dirty bomb over or send enough suicide bombers over to make a big impact.
Why did 911 happen? Because our BORFERS were not defended!
But the neocons think we can plug the holes by killing some of them over there. Well some of them are in the BILLIONS in numbers. Unless we plan to nuke the whole Middle East it does no good to be over there when the problem is in our back yard!
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:41amuh if you haven’t noticed iran has launched a satellite into orbit…ICBM anyone?
get a clue.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:48amGONZO BADDOGGY We need to heavily mine our southern border and shoot anyone who crosses illegally,we need to get some law & order around here.If the border area is littered with thousands of corpses maybe the illegals and terrorists will take the hint they’re not welcome.You might think these measures harsh but our republic is more important to me than Mexico or any other country for that matter.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:53amOr H.E.M.P.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:59am@ Prog Slayer
Report Post »You can’t mine and shoot at future dem voters-and cocaine, meth, heroin, and pot in Chicago have fixed prices-so you can’t mess with the supply man. The tech the Iranians have bought is unknown-I wouldn’t call fruits with arms paper much baddoggy. They have will and intent-not much else is needed. The little toad man did just shut down their Al Gore invented internet, so, the lil toad has something going, Shirley.
Gonzo
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:16amYou’ll get no argument with me on that Doggy. I just think we should give Israel whatever technology they want for the mission and let them take a shot at it… and quit projecting their plans to the Iranians and the rest of the world.
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Posted on February 11, 2012 at 9:31amBADDOGGY. “Why did 911 happen? Because our BORFERS were not defended!”
You and Ron Paul … who said in his book btw,….“ our borders should open and blurred” can defend our “borfers” (is that code for welcoming illegals in the Paul mindset?). If the troops are going to help defend our “borders” we need to incorporate the war on drugs in that motivation. Using our troops as border guards in a non-combat zone is a slap in their face, unless they are able to use their skill and training to kill the enemy while “helping” control our borders… until we beef it up with trained border police/guards that is.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:02amWonder if the president would be nice enough to sign that drone for them?!!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:08amSure he would…he likes illegal undeclared Unconstitutional warfare because he is a Marxist….You think like him, so what does that say about you?
Read the Constitutionn. Maybe you will wake up and realize what undeclared wars do to our Nation….Maybe you will figure out one of the reasons we are BROKE.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:14am@Baddoggy
Huh?! Are you in left field?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:31amYou are the one agreeing with the Marxist. Not me. You are asleep my friend.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:40amBuddy… How’s that troll…by signing the drone he’s admitting he gave them that technology…go get some coffee and you you wake up before you hit the keyboard.
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:46amSorry…must have double-tapped “you” lol! Over your head with that one too?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 10:56amDouble tapped me? LOL you couldnt get close enough to me to do that. I can smell a Marxist a mile off…Obama lover. Go take a bath.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 12:23pmHeard he is on the golf course
Report Post »SERUM
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:48pm@baddoggy
Report Post »Lol.. Are you are oblivious to sarcasm? Didn’t you read my post that obama practically gave them the drone? I can picture you arguing with yourself in the mirror every morning…lmao!
Gonzo
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 7:56amDo you mean to tell me that Obama’s willingness to “reset” our relationship with Iran and those sanctions haven’t worked? I’m flabbergasted. :-O
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:04amOh don’t worry about Iran. Just elect Ron Paul and he‘ll go over there and tell ol’ Dinner Jacket that we want to be friends. Then they’ll join hands and sing Kumbaya and all the world will be bright and sunny.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:15amI’m afraid that is the achiles heel of R.P. It’s a shame too, because he is so spot on in so many other areas.
Report Post »Enough is Enough__Oath_Keeper
Posted on February 11, 2012 at 8:49am“I’m afraid that is the achiles heel of R.P. It’s a shame too, because he is so spot on in so many other areas.” Right on Gonzo
I love RP on domestic issues, but when it comes to his foreign policy there is no way in **** that I will ever vote for him!
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