Air Force Bows to Atheist Complaints: Will Remove Bible Requirement for On-Base Lodging
- Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:00am by
Billy Hallowell
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Military atheists are increasingly making their voices heard. The Blaze has previously reported about the Rock Beyond Belief concert at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. Now, there is a situation developing in which non-believers in the military (and their supporters) are attacking a policy that has led to Bibles being placed in on-base lodging facilities.
According to WRWR, Air Force officials have agreed — at least in principle — to remove Bibles from rooms after being pressured by the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF), an atheist group that is led by Jason Torpy. The MAAF’s self-described goal is to combat “…insensitive practices that illegally promote religion over non-religion within the military or unethically discriminate against minority religions or differing beliefs.”
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The group apparently maintained that the presence of Bibles, which are placed in the rooms by Gideons, is “a special privilege for Christianity.” While the Air Force has not demanded that the holy books be removed from inns, a revised checklist will take effect on October 1 (at the start of the 2013 fiscal year). The books, of course, will be removed from the required items.
A legal review, according to Air Force Services Agency Spokesman Michael Dickerson, found that there is “no requirement to have Bibles in the lodging checklist.” According to WRWR, he also said, “We continue to review the situation and weigh our multiple First Amendment practices and obligations.”
According to One News Now, Dr. Gordon Klingenschmitt, a former Navy chaplain and the head of The Pray In Jesus Name Project, is less than pleased with the military’s decision. Rather than making a move to create a non-discriminatory environment, Klingenschmitt believes the Air Force is merely bowing to the demands of the MAAF, among other atheist groups.
“The Air Force is apparently complicit to this. I don‘t know if they’re removing the Bibles, but at least they’re removing [them] from the checklists, [the result being that] whoever cleans the rooms is no longer required to check whether the Bible is in place,” he explained. ”So if somebody steals one of those Bibles or if they’re confiscated by atheist complainers or put in the trash, then sadly Christian people will not have access to read the Bible at night.”
So, it seems the Air Force will be removing the requirementthat Bibles be placed in on-based rooms. Whether those who prepare these rooms will follow suite — that is yet to be seen. Walter Reed National Military Medical Center also implemented more ardent restrictions — then rescinded them — months ago.
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Comments (628)
SiToNiTsOrOs1
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:24pmUSAF…..I could think of a good acronym here, but I can’t make that foul of a post. USAF: Grow back your SPINE and stop cowtowing to those who would be better off living in another country. This is AMERICA and YES AMERICA is predominantly a Christian Nation. That is one reason the REPUBLIC has survived nearly 200 years. If you love our country, then serve our country! Don’t do it an injustice!!!
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:26pm.
Report Post »If Mitt wins, he needs to Scrub the Military from the Top. Clean as Gunny’s Toilet……
Exrepublisheep
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:35pm… then sadly Christian people will not have access to read the Bible at night.” So without the REQUIREMENT to put Bibles in hotel rooms there will be no Bible reading? Weak. You’d get it if there were a REQUIREMENT that korans be placed in rooms.
Report Post »4XGrace
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:38pmUSAF = Ublighted Snakes Air Farce …
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:45pmNo matter who wins they need to scrub the entire bureaucracy. Obama and his czars have spent the last 3 years embedding progressive saboteurs…
Report Post »grimmy
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:19pm@Spank.
Report Post »You are correct,seems the top brass doesnt need polishing, but thrown away.Makes me wonder how many of the top generals are themselves,traitors……
Leopold
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:23pmYou take away the basis of a good military, which is fighting for the good, and you will have destroyed it.
That is the purpose. This has absolutely nothing to do with atheists. This is a scheme by the devil to destroy this country.
Most soldiers are God fearing men and women. It is that faith that has made the military what it is today.
Report Post »These atheists are useful idiots for Satan. That’ all. So are the homosexual.
NHwinter
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:24pmWhy not have atheist designated rooms with no bibles and let everyone else have access to a bible if they want to read one. Why take all the bibles out?? A few people make rules for everyone else??? Absolutely absurb.
momrules
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:07pmTo all you atheists trolls who show up on the Blaze to spew your foulness every time there is a story about the war on Christianity I will only say this.
You are lost and the time is short. The prophecies written in that Book you all hate are being fulfilled on a dailey basis. Jesus will be returning soon. I am sick of you but I pity you. You have one chance and one chance only and that is to renounce Satan who now holds you in bondage and accept Jesus as you savior.
If you choose Satan that is your choice but your gleeful hatred and derision for everything good and for us that love the Lord is sickening.
Report Post »mnemitz
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:54pmAre you kidding me? Take God out of the country? Are you loosing it?
Report Post »johnston43
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:04pmAtheists are the vocal minority. Christians need to be more vocal now, more than ever!
Report Post »USA-Ron
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:18pmI, hereby Require, all non-believers be dishonorably discharged from
the Air Force, Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Reserves,
National Guard and all USA Military Services upon Notice !!!
USA-RON
American Believer
(can I do that?)
4truth2all
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:36pmHumpdy Dumpdy sat on the wall,
Humpdy Dumpdy had a great fall.
All the kings horses and all the kings men
could not put Humpdy Dumpdy
back together again.
This nation is about to eat concrete,
Report Post »if the prayers of God’s people are not heard this election!
Two Sheds
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 8:35pmWhy do Atheists care if there is a Bible (actually Gideons is just the New Testament) in the room? It’s just a book to them, how could they be offended? It’s quite simple; just don’t read it. Dugh.
On the side of fareness billeting should have sacred texts available for the absent minded traveler. If USAF were to put one of each religious text with multiple translations into various languages in the room; there would probably be a sizable book shelf. Best bet is to leave any religious texts out of the rooms and if someone wants one they can ask the front desk or use Algore’s Internets.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 11:58pm[This is AMERICA and YES AMERICA is predominantly a Christian Nation. ]
Report Post »So?
eagle275
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 12:13amAre they gonna replace the Bibles with Korans instead?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 12:39pm@eagle27 I’ll agree to support placing a Koran next to the Holy Bible if anyone ever finds historical evidence proving, that our forefathers ever used a Koran to take a Constitutional Oath, that our Congress ever recommended the distribution of the Koran to the inhabitants of the US, our forefathers highly regarded the religion of Islam, our founding fathers greatly looked upon men professing the Muslim faith, our schools strongly used the Koran to teach morals, our Courts regarded the Koran as the truth and nothing but the truth, and our early Presidents ever hoped to inspire the people by making references to the struggles and conquering that Muslims were a part of in their history while in Arabia. I can just see it now, Benjamin Franklin, recommending our Seal to have Jihadists crossing the Mediterranean Sea into Spain and France all for the glory of Allah. THANK GOD no such thing EVER crossed their mind. THANK GOD they never considered a foreign religion above the one within our own heritage. THANK GOD they desired for us to be influenced and guided by the Almighty God who led Israel out of the wilderness, and sent his son Jesus; for through his Gospel, we became a people of love, patience, justice, humility, honesty, temperance, truth, charity, modesty, accountability, hard work, strong caring families, self government, liberty, true judgement, faith, mercy, grace, and brotherly affection, recognizing in all, an equal standing before God.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 2:11pmDo Christians not see that we have a civic duty in the very least as Romans 12:20 points out to: “Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good”? These are excerpts from the speech given on March 23, 1775 by Patrick Henry (Christian farmer)to the legislature.
“This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should
Report Post »consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings…”…There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.
Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged!… Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace, but there is no peace.
THE REST IS HERE: http://www.dailyjot.com/dailyjot/The_Jot.html
SaneAmerican
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:33pmHow about the Christians carry their own Bibles, the Muslims carry their Qurans, and the non-believers can carry nothing if they so choose…since when is it the military’s (or government’s) charter to promote religious beliefs within their soldiers or citizens?
It doesn‘t matter what the majority’s religion is, each soldier has the sworn duty of protecting this nation and its citizens. Promoting religion is not a part of their oath.
Report Post »LookAtThisFaggot
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:10pm“That is one reason the REPUBLIC has survived nearly 200 years.”
Well look at this ******. NEARLY 200 years you say? Nearly?
If you’d graduated from high school, you dumb hick, you might be able to do this math:
2012 – 1776 = 236 years.
Report Post »SeanStock
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:38pmMany Atheists love and serve our country.
Report Post »Blaze Pascal
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:40pmIt’s always so depressingly amusing when so called “patriots” cry about the evil atheists destroying their great christian nation when it is the “patriots” themselves who are so willing to ride rough shod over the very constitution their nation is founded on.
Report Post »IronSights
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:22pmSo much for “a wing and a prayer”
Report Post »iceclimbr
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:34pmSo…since I don‘t want the USAF to put bibles in hotel rooms I don’t deserve to live in this country? Even after eight years in the Marine Corps and two tours in Iraq? All you folks say you stand up for the constitution, but its all lip service. You only stand up for it when it doesn’t go against your principles. This is clearly a violation of the Establishment Clause. They can continue to put bibles in hotel rooms, but they also have to put the Koran, the Illiad, the Baghavad Gita, a text on how to get to Asgard, etc. Grow up…have respect for other people beliefs, the world would be a much better place.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:34pmNot only do we now have a smoke free, greens eating, homosexual, US Armed Forces, its also a Bible Free Armed Forces.
Report Post »TrueBlueChristianConservative
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:39pmI’m not sure if I agree with a checklist to REQUIRE that a Gideon Bible be placed in every room, but there certainly should not be a requirement that it NOT be placed in the rooms. Talk about discrimination – it discriminates against Christians who deserve the access and the opportunity to read a Bible. You know what the atheist can do about it? NOT OPEN THE DRAWER! I personally don’t read Gideon bibles because the King James Version is my preferred version. But the presence of the Gideon Bible is certainly not offensive because it merely gives me my free choice, which every American deserves regardless of his/her faith! Purposely removing the Bibles by law or policy is against our founding principles and discriminory on its face.
Report Post »pschlentz
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:14pmI’ve got a crazy idea….put a Bible in each drawer and if the A$$thiests don’t want to read it, fine…If they believe there is no God then what is it gonna hurt?
Report Post »slutmonkey
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:16pmAre you kidding me? I’m an Air Force pilot and an atheist… Apparently I hate America. Your post makes me sick.
Report Post »csinclair00
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:18pmAre you serious? Because someone wants to uphold the constitution, and keep religion separate from the government you tell them they should leave the country? This is America, everyone has the right to be here regardless of their belief system. They also have a right not to have religion forced into their living quarters if they choose.
If you are truly a Christian, listen to your God. You are judging people. According to your religion, only your God can judge. I hate people like yourself who claim to follow Christianity, but in reality only follow the teaching that preach hate and bigotry, without following the positive teachings.
YOU are the one who needs to leave the country, hate has no place in modern society.
Report Post »Aix_sponsa
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:13am@USA-RON
“I, hereby Require, all non-believers be dishonorably discharged from
the Air Force, Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Reserves,
National Guard and all USA Military Services upon Notice !!!
USA-RON
American Believer
(can I do that?)”
No, you can’t. And if you ACTUALLY believe that at any point in this country’s history, that anyone could be discharged from the military based on their faith/lack of faith, you are a complete moron. Atheists, agnostics, pagans, Muslims, Jews, whoever: if they serve in the military for OUR country, for OUR freedom (which conservatives constantly preach about,) they have the right to serve, and without discrimination at that.
Please, listen to yourself. Singling out all nonbelievers and saying they should be discharged is preposterous. The men and women in MAAF wanted equality and no special rights for any religion. Simply because you disagree with these individuals on matters of faith gives you no right to insult someone’s position in the military.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 1:27am.
Report Post »Military surrenders again.
Karl Marx would be proud.
rasalghul
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:10amIt’s good that the Air Force is removing religion from the equation. Religion is a choice, a decision to believe in something. America was not founded as a Christian nation, America fought for their freedom from a religious nation as a matter of fact. The first amendment to the constitution states:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Please take the time to read that as many times as you like, especially the first part. It clearly states that no laws can be made to enforce OR restrict religious beliefs, rather that they are a choice of the individual. NOT the collective.
I see no way you can hold any sanity to an interpretation of believing the USA was founded as a Christian nation when you hold a candle to the First Amendment. It would be like saying “Jesus never said let him who is without stone cast the first stone” while holding chapter 8 of the book of john open.
You’re an American, know your country.
Report Post »kadster01
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 8:53amJust bring your own bible with you. Problem solved…until that’s no longer allowed either.
Report Post »lketchum
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:38amI have one major problem with this: Athiest groups claim they’re trying to rid the world of “offensive” religious artifacts and that they have no religion themselves.
That is not true, they do have a religion and it is very clear that they practice that religion – atheism for the atheists “is” their religion and they are forcing it on all of us, regardless of our faiths. The USAF has an equal argument against atheists – in fact, the very same argument the atheists themselves present.
Report Post »perezs
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 2:02pmI’m not surprised Air Force want to remove the bible. That’s is why, this country is getting worse in every aspect, economy, society, human values, you name it. Without God we can not make it and that’s exactly what is happening. Not doubt, we are living in the last days
Report Post »anie
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 2:59pmYou said it very well! Thank you. It’s just another step in our new global community environment to apease all these people—that is except the ones that were born here in this country and have fought for this country to keep it safe from harm. It used to mean something to be proud that one was a natural born US citizen. Now, it means nothing. These groups of people stomp their feet like angry small children and sooner or later get their own way. One would think the military would be the one place that would be holding Christian values in tact. I guess not. Atheists–who are they? Nobody!
Report Post »Why would they be given any consideration?
drbage
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 3:00pmNudge, nudge, nudge a la Cass Weinstein. What will be next, all Bibles out of the hotel rooms in the country? Will they keep copies behind the front desk upon request? Will they also have to keep copies of the Koran and the Torah? Will they go further and demand that all crosses, crescent moons, and stars of David be removed from religious buildings? Will they require them to remove the words from their signage so as not to offend anyone? Time is nigh for people to wake up, speak up, and defend FREEDOM!
Report Post »DetroitAtheist
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:41pmI’m an Atheist, and an OEF Veteran. Your argument holds no weight. Also, America isn’t what it is today based on christianity. It’s the way it is because of the constitution. Try following that, or agree as a taxpayer to put every bible and holy book for all 200+ religions into the hotel rooms.
Report Post »Stop confusing religious persecution with not always getting what you want.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 6:56pmThat’s what it says. A greater light to rule the day and a lesser light to rule the night. There is a distinction between the two lights. If the Bible were to have said a great light to rule the day and a reflector to rule the night, I’d be more convinced that an all-knowing being was in charge. You believe every word. You are easily duped.
Report Post »KILLACOMMIE4MOMMY
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:24pmWow, the “Freethinkers” dont want people to think for themselves!
Report Post »This will be reversed next year after the are forced back under thier rock!
Kathleen
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:10pmWOW. That Bible book must have a lot of power and influence for Atheists to so badly want it removed. If it was just a work of fiction, I can’t see them being so riled up about it and even bother protesting its availability. Hmmmm.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:20pmIm an atheist and could care less – if you dont want to read it then dont read it. As long as you arent forced to participate who really cares?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:20pmHey, atheists and radicals are only trying to protect themselves,
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:21pmAnother example of the few telling the many how to live. If you don‘t like the bible in your Transient Quarters don’t read it but leave it alone for the many who will read it and take comfort in it.
As for the athiest gathering at Ft Bragg, it wasn’t many years ago that Ft Hood recognized a Wicken group and allowed them to hold services on post.
The AF needs to grow a set of cajones and put the bibles back, they can inform the athiests that they are welcome to not read the book. But if they do read it they might learn a lot about love and sacrifice.
OMG 2012
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:31pmYou are right KATHLEEN….If its not a threat WHy work so hard to stamp it out??
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:29amHey Colt, I know you believe the Bible is true 100%, but I just wanted to take this time to tell you that regardless of what it clearly says in Genesis, the moon does not produce its own light.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:50amGenesis doesn’t say the moon produces its own light. In fact, the bible speaks of the moon’s phases. It speaks of the full moon, new moon, etc. When a new moon is emerging, you can clearly see that light does not emanate from all sides, but only from one side. All the bible says is that the moon is a lesser light. Which is true. IT IS the moon the lights the earth at night, not the sun. Regardless of where that light originates, the light we receive or see at night comes from the moon, and also the stars.
Report Post »AvoidBias
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:48pm“Wow, the “Freethinkers” dont want people to think for themselves!
This will be reversed next year after the are forced back under thier rock!”
I don’t think you understand what “thinking for yourself” is. In this case, thinking for yourself means choosing either to have a bible or not to have a bible. NOT thinking for yourself is being REQUIRED to have a bible.
Please re-read the title a few more times. It says they will remove the requirement. It DOES NOT say that you will be barred from having a bible on-base. You always have the option.
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:23pmThe Bible is out, but how about the Koran? There are Muslims in our military, should they be there?
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:31pmNot only NO!, but HELL NO!
colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:28pmI’m pretty sure Washington took his Constitutional Oath on the Holy Bible, not the Koran. This modern baloney that our founders envisioned an America influenced by various Faiths is unfounded and ridiculous.
“Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, YOU HAVE THE SAME RELIGION, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.” Washington’s Farewell Address 1796 , http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, BUT BY CHRISTIANS; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. FOR THIS VERY REASON peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” Patrick Henry
Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:09pmcolt 1860: If we could only recall our ancient heritage and our ancient inheritance as being Israelites and Israel, and that our God Almighty is called THE GOD OF ISRAEL, then we would see that our Christian beliefs and our ties to the Holy Land are joined at the hip and are one in the same. Therefore, there is no separation of Church (our beliefs founded in The Holy Bible and in Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection; therefore called CHRISTIANS = Christ-like) and State (the Nation of Israel, and the lands to which the Lost Tribes of Israel migrated and still dwell today).
Report Post »If we would only read again OUR BLESSINGS found in Genesis 48 and 49 where Jacob blessed our father Joseph (Manasseh and Ephraim), and in Deuteronomy 33 where Moses blessed Joseph, we would understand what our blessings are, which also apply to us today.
Wherever the Lost Tribes of Israel are on the face of the earth…they are worshiping on the Sabbath day, following the 10 Commandments handed down to Moses the Lawgiver from God Almighty, and they are worshiping The God of Israel. Wherever the descendants of ancient Israelites are today, you will find them rebelling against The God of Israel, blaspheming His Holy Name, and worshiping other false gods. Wherever the Lost Tribes of Israel are today, you will find an obstinate and stubborn people. Wherever the Lost Tribes of Israel are today, you will find them sending out missionaries and printing Bibles; trying to win the lost to Jesus Christ.
colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:44pm@MaryM.Tebbe I’ve looked into that. Here‘s some resources I’ve found:
Covering the Lost Tribes of Israel and their modern locations: http://stevenmcollins.com/homepage.php
George Gordon’s School of Law: http://library.georgegordon.com/audio
From what I understand. Israel was divided into North and South. The Northern Kingdom, comprised primarily of ten tribes, was taken captive, and became the “lost” House of Israel; whom Jesus and Jude mentioned in the New Testament. The Southern Kingdom, comprised mostly from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, remained in the Holy Land, until their dispersion several decades after Christ’s birth. At the time of Jesus, the Southern Kingdom became known as Judea. For, in fact, during the captivity of the Jews in Babylon, the Jewish King was assassinated, and no one else thereafter sat as king in that land…
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:14pmcolt 1860: It is a rather interesting study. Others on this website from time to time have mentioned Steven Collins, but I have never studied him. I wrote about the Lost Tribes of Israel in a 6,300 page book, but I did not use anyone else’s research. I studied the subject on my own. I sent the book to Great Britain to an organization to see if they were interested in publishing my book. They declined and my flash drives were returned, but since that time one of their contributing writers published my Grandfather’s family secret, and other subjects of my book have slowly leaked out, though they tweek them a bit to disguise my work. Maybe someday you’ll all get the whole story!
Report Post »The Northern Kingdom of Israel was taken captive to Assyria, but never returned to the Promised Land, and became lost to the pages of history. The Southern Kingdom of Judah was taken to Babylon 136 years later, but after 70 years was allowed to return to the Promised Land, although many did not. Right after 9/11 I had an encounter with God Almighty, and He told me to put His Whole House of Israel together again. It took me 7 years, but I did accomplish exactly what God told me to do. One day I am sure the book will be published. God never asks us to do something unless He has plans for it. The work that is stolen, I leave in the hands of God. I’m sure God has a handle on it, and is more effective in handling the situtation then I would be at present.
colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:57pm@MaryMTebbe Yes, this topic is very interesting indeed. I’ve done much research on it too, for quite some years now, maybe not as extensive as you though. I certainly do understand though that it ALL connects with what’s happening now, and with what will happen later on, especially with regards to America, and her common ancestors around the world. The most important aspect to this bible study is understanding the blessings and birthrights given to Abraham, and to whom they were passed down to. This means, being able to discern the interconnected history of certain nations and peoples, and how their destiny relates to Biblical prophecy. If you would like to share your work, I’d be interested in reviewing it…
Report Post »SaneAmerican
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 2:00am@COLT1860
” This modern baloney that our founders envisioned an America influenced by various Faiths is unfounded and ridiculous.”
You are correct. Most advocated for the separation of Church and State, influencing the American government by no faith, not various faiths. The Treaty of Tripoli (signed by every member of Congress) goes on to declare that the United States Government was in no way founded as a Christian government ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli#Article_11 ). The establishment clause of the Constitution supports this notion of no government-endorsed religion, as well as the Constitution prohibiting any religious test in order to assume office. Yes, that means all that Obama “suspected Muslim”-bashing nonsense was un-American and promoting un-Constitutional ideas.
Fortunately we can have a country whose lives are influenced by religion if they so choose without requiring that the government promote any given religion. The pilgrims who first made it to this country were fleeing a system where Church and State were united as one, being corrupt and oppressing the freedom of its people.
I’m glad our Constitution protects us from allowing this to happen again.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:16pm@SaneAmerican Jefferson said CHURCH and State, not RELIGION and state. There’s a HUGE difference. One is an establishment, organization, institution or legal entity, the other is a set of principles, morals and values. The Treaty of Tripoli does NOT state we’re NOT a Christian nation or Christian people, rather it states that our GOVERNMENT is not Christian, that it is no institution based on some body of clergy men, or an entity existing as one with the church. That means that we have no ecclesiastical monarchy as in England or clerical dictatorship as was the Holy Roman Empire. Government does NOT include the people, or a nation in general. Nation includes the people and their government, along with their common traits. The first amendment prohibits Government from instituting or adopting, as a function of Government, an ESTABLISHMENT of Religion, it does not prohibit it from recommending or “favoring” religion in general.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:18pmWhile encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington’s response, he first told them that “Congress… will look on them as on their own children.” That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision, “You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.”
All this lines up clearly with the US Northwest Ordinance, made Law in 1787, which states, “Religion, morality, and knowledge, BEING NECESSARY to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:23pmOn January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense:
“RESOLVED,
THAT the United States in Congress assembled highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion, as well as an instance of the progress of arts in this country, and being satisfied from the above report of his care and accuracy in the execution of the work, they recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorize him to publish this Recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.”
Clearly, history supports my claims, not yours. Most of your notions are based on recent decisions made within these past fifty years by radical, closet communist, liberal judges, who were intent on forcibly implementing their Marxist agenda.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:25pm“…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness… We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare… And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
THANK GOD these delusional, ignorant, misinformed, radical judges were NOT present during our founding.
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:20pmHow many atheists are there in the USAF anyway? Seriously, why do 1% of the US population act like THEY are the majority? I don’t recall anyone forcing the atheists going to chapel. They wanna ditch, let em. However, don‘t remove the majority’s right to read The Bible, cuz you’re a petulent child posing as an intellectual.
I smell the regime in this one.
Leon Panetta- worst Secretary of Defense since Robert McNamara…..
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:28pmno one is saying you can’t read the Bible. just bring your own. that way our military, which is a branch of the federal gov’t, is not favoring one Religion over the other. make sense?
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:40pm1% of the population? Even conservative estimates put atheists at 10-15% of the US population.
Leave it to an atheist to fact check.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:46pmMAMMALONE – yup, 10-15%, and growing, FAST. i say let them keep and cling to their Bibles. soon enough, it will be all they have left to remind them of their dying religion.
incidentally, i have dozens of friends who are “a religion”, yet not a single one is a true Believer. these are the people who show up in Church at Easter and Christmas, and not in between. they are probably half of the Church’s membership, if not more. not a one of them actually believes in any kind of personal God. when all the old fogies pass on, Religion will be a relic of ancient times, nothing more.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:11pmCOLT – funny how you won’t find any quotes like that from any of the Founding Fathers that most people have heard of. you know, like Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Franklin, Paine.
that’s b/c they were their day’s Atheists. yes, they tended to believe in a higher power, but not a personal God like most Americans do today. they were the best and brightest and rejected the dogmas of Religion, and most likely doubted the very existence of God.
Report Post »msconstrue
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:14pm@philly……..how about leave the Bibles there……and if you dont believe, you just dont read them?…….now, get your panties un- bunched and go do something really productive.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:23pmMSCONTRUE – that’s fine by me. i’m not the one attempting this. i don’t care that every hotel has a Bible, or if the Air Force has them or not. however, i can see where some might be offended, and i agree with their rights to voice said offense.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:33pm“While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.” Washington
“Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual… Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.” Hancock
Thomas Jefferson, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.”
“The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.”
“I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.”
“I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.
Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:38pmcolt 1860: You did a wonderful job today posting so much good information here. I really appreciated reading them. We need to revisit our American history! :)
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:07pmYo Philly:
Still there ?
Report Post »texasbeta
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 11:10pmInteresting, Tea Partiers are right now at under 10%. Why do we listen to you?
Report Post »m3lodym4ker
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:41pmCOLT – Since you like to pick out Jefferson’s quotes, here are a few more for you:
“Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.”
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
“Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.”
“You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.”
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:24pm@ Mammalone
Roughly 12% of the U.S. population identify as “non-religious”, not as atheist. Roughly half that number still believe in some sort of higher power, and of that number, only about 4-6% self-identify as atheist.
Report Post »The rate of people claiming to be atheist have been dormant for decades, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your lies.
More than 9 in 10 Americans continue to believe in God.
oops
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx
colt1860
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:08pm@m3lodym4ker Thanks for the quotes. They don‘t discount anything I’ve claimed though. Most of the founding fathers, if not all, were against any ecclesiastical rule, as that which existed in England, France, Spain and Rome. They abhorred the idea of the state and the church existing as on legal entity e.g. as that which existed in England. And this is what the first Amendment prohibits, not religion (in general), but the Government instituting or adopting, as part of a Governmental function, an actual Establishment of Religion e.g. a Church, ecclesiastical organization, or body of clergy men. However, this does not mean that no religious content or religious reference may be used by Government.
Thomas Jefferson said, “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.” Notes on the State of Virginia (Philadelphia: Matthew Carey, 1794), Query XVIII, p. 237.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:12pmThomas Jefferson, said, “The older I grow and the more I read the Holy Scriptures, the more reverence I have for them and the more I am convinced that they are not only the people’s guide for the conduct of this life, but the foundation of our hope respecting the future state.” (Upper Room Bulletin, Vol. 3, 1916, p. 8.)
Thomas Jefferson said, in his second Inaugural Address (1805), “I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power, and to whose goodness I ask you to join in supplications with me that He will so enlighten the minds of your servants, guide their councils, and prosper their measures that whatsoever they do shall result in your good, and shall secure to you the peace, friendship, and approbation of all nations.”
All this lines up clearly with the US Northwest Ordinance, made Law in 1787, which states, “Religion, morality, and knowledge, BEING NECESSARY to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
Benjamin Franklin declared, “Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.”
Clearly, our nation is one founded by a religious people.
Report Post »AirForceAtheist
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 2:18pm@CougarNick78 Just letting you know Atheist are a lot more than 1%. Were not saying you can’t read the bible, but why should get special treatment. Face it, it takes a lot for an Atheist to join the military. In combat if you‘re Christian you can pretend for some reason you’re special and your god will protect you, or if you die you get rewarded for eternity in heaven. When an atheist steps into battle the only person protecting us is the person to our right and left. If we should fall it’s the doctors job to save us. If we die we’re done. We’re not rewarded for death with an eternity in heaven, it’s game over, no bonus stage.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:19pmRAKA … FOOLS… when u need god SEE NOW IF HE WILL ANSWER U,………
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:58pmdoes he answer you now? what does he say? if yes, what is the name of your mental facility? i’ll send flowers.
Report Post »Patriot of My America
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 7:36pmAtheist minded people must be the so forlorn that they never have a sense of satisfaction or one of being a complete person. God: Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. it is a remarkable thing that so many in this age of science have not actually seen the photos published by NASA regarding the deep space telescope Hubble. How can any one look at the billions of Milky Way Solar Systems spread across a million ,million light years and think that it all happened by happenstance. It is just a pure accident and were are all merely evolved from a single cell form of life . ie the Ameba. And then to advance to greater and greater life forms. And now here we are surely as the sun will rise. There position is that there is not even one thought in the present. we are all here purely by cosmic accident. it is a billion ,billion to one chance that we are even alive. I think not. It is by Intelligent Design and the only way to even grasp the concept of Intelligent Design is to admit that there is an All Mighty , there is also forgiveness and salvation. And that when the flesh shall perish the Soul does not. And that there is a Life after physical death. Why else do we have the feeling of Guilt and Satisfaction. Or the emotion of any kind. Would we not be just another Mammal growing hair on the body. Nothing to make us any different than any other Mammal at the top of the food chain. Would we be able to learn, and advance, and to show compassion, and empathy if there were not a God. !
Report Post »I
FanOfAllSeven
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:58pmYour god. Not mine.
And you misspelled “Zorro.”
Report Post »USA Proud
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:17pmI am thoroughly disgusted! As a CHRISTIAN and Air Force veteran, I am ashamed. When will organizations quit pandering to these nut-job minority groups!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:30pmwhen we no longer wish to uphold the Constitution, or the Establishment Clause, which bans the favoring of any specific Religion. good for the Air Force, if you ask me.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:02pm@phillyatheist The Establishment Clause does not ban the favoring of a specific Religion, rather it prohibits the Government from instituting (creating into Law) AN ESTABLISHMENT of Religion.
The Virginia Declaration of Rights, from 1776, stated, “That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.”
It’s upon the principles of Christianity that WE THE PEOPLE are able to preserve a free Republic.
“And, for extending the fundamental principles of civil and religious liberty, which form the basis whereon these republics, their laws and constitutions are erected; to fix and establish those principles as the basis of all laws, constitutions, and governments, which forever hereafter shall be formed in the said territory… Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” US Northwest Ordinance; July 13, 1787
USA Proud
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:18pmLike I said to VAMAN. I will pray for you……one day you will understand when HE comes like a thief in the night and you are standing before HIM in judgement. I can only imagine what you will be thinking then.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:26pmUSA – i won’t be thinking anything b/c i’ll be dead. just like you. just like the millions of years that existed before i did. it will be nothingness. while this may be sad or difficult to understand, it underscores why we need to live THIS life, the one and only we have been so very lucky to have given, to the fullest. and that includes being good to our fellow man. it doesn’t take Religion to do good in the world.
Report Post »USA Proud
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:22pmPhilly – Those of us that do believe will always be alive in Christ. That’s the difference.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:30pmUSA – i’m glad you (and so many others) feel that way. if religion, whichever one you choose, helps you to lead a peaceful and happy life than i’m all for it. i don’t need it, but my Mother does. and i‘m happy it’s there for her to feel comfort or to not fear death (as much).
nonetheless, i don’t need anyone praying for me, and i don‘t care for those who claim i’m going to hell. it doesn’t bother me, but it doesn’t exactly make me like that type of person very much. unfortunately, you’ve got plenty of good and plenty of bad with Religion.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 7:39pmThe Bible are free to the USAF facility. The Gideons are providing them at no charge to the gov’t. Since Jews also adhere to the first section of the Bible, it does not favor just one general group. It covers the needs of abt 90 percent of the populace.
If atheists don’t want to read, nobody is forcing them to. It’s nice to find the Bible in a drawer by the bed when you are away fm home. Sometimes, luggage space is extremely limited if you are flying military lift.
Report Post »Optimist4now
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 8:41pmPhilly-
Report Post »You are wrong about the “Establishment Clause”, suggest you go back, reread, and think on it — it is very plainly laid out.
FanOfAllSeven
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:06pmI am thoroughly disgusted! As an American, I am ashamed. When will people stop wanting to put their personal religious beliefs above the Constitution!
Report Post »NotReligious
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 9:22pmThank you for your service, but to say you’re disgusted with the force trying to show tolerance among minorities is pathetic in its own. When you joined the service you were told to drop your prejustice at the door. Seems you picked yours right back up when you left. The bible has never and most likely never will be an issue for me. Its individuals such as yourself that put black eyes on our proud military members.
Active duty atheist and proud.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:12pmThat book is perfect for propping the door open
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:21pmFunny, Revelations says the godless get thrown out with the trash, in the end…..
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:35pmIndeed it is~~~
the door to your heart.
the door to your soul.
the door of your mind.
the door of your eternal future.
You bet your sweet lost soul, it is GOOD for propping up doors!
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:41pmand dont forget all the scratch paper at the end of it. Also good if you run out of toilet paper.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:47pmIt wasn’t very soft or absorbent
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:04pmStaying Classless as always, Mammalone.
Report Post »gmama04
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:11pmI am totally disgusted with the Air Force. For people who DON’T believe in God why do they feel threatened to have the Bible in the room. They can make believe it’s a fairy tale book and choose not to read it. Put the Bible in a drawer and whoever wants to read it has the option to do so.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:26pmmaybe it‘s for it’s own protection. wicked atheists are prone to putting warning stickers on Bibles, such as “WARNING: This is a work of fiction. DO NOT take literally.
disclaimer – i have never done this.
Report Post »FanOfAllSeven
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:00pmI am thoroughly disgusted! As an American, I am ashamed. When will people stop wanting to put their personal religious beliefs above the Constitution!
Report Post »FanOfAllSeven
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:04pmI am totally disgusted with the Air Force. For people who DON’T believe in evolution why do they feel threatened to have a copy of Dawkins in the room. They can make believe it’s a fairy tale book and choose not to read it. Put the Dawkins book in a drawer and whoever wants to read it has the option to do so.
I am totally disgusted with the Air Force. For people who DON’T believe in Allah why do they feel threatened to have the Quran in the room. They can make believe it’s a fairy tale book and choose not to read it. Put the Quran in a drawer and whoever wants to read it has the option to do so.
I am totally disgusted with the Air Force. For people who DON’T believe in Paganism why do they feel threatened to have a Book of Shadows in the room. They can make believe it’s a fairy tale book and choose not to read it. Put the Book of Shadows in a drawer and whoever wants to read it has the option to do so.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 5:02pmAnd where exactly, please point it out exactly where “seperation of church and state” is explicity said anywhere at all in the Constitution.
Oh, that’s right…it isn’t there.
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:10pmor………………………….B.Y.O.B…………………………….
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:32pmWhole NEW and BETTER meaning!!!
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:50pmACAB – Always Carry A Bible
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:08pmWow, and here I was thinking if you are an athiest you can choose NOT to read “that book”…..usually placed in a drawer that no one uses anyways……Of course if you are a Christain and you forget your Holy Bible at home its a reassurance that you can use the one provided for your use in ANY hotel/motel/base lodging…….THESE athiests really are PUSHING their non-religion onto us hard fast and a hurry!!!!
Report Post »AugustusCarp
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:45amGoodness me, you really don’t get it do you? No one is saying that institutions can’t place bibles in rooms. What they ARE saying is that publicly funded institutions, ie branches of the government, schools and the military are constitutionally prohibited from doing this OR condoning it, as it would be in breach of the Establishment Clause of the constitution. Just how difficult is that to understand?
The USAF is part of the military and therefore it can not promote one religion over any other, or none. The military are there to uphold the constitution and not ride roughshod all over it.
Report Post »vaman
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:06pmIt‘s nice to know I’m not the only one that throws the bible in the trash at hotels.
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:18pmYet, you’ll keep the Spectra Vision a click of a button away. Nice priorities, atheist boy.
Report Post »USA Proud
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:21pmI will pray for you….a day will come like a thief in the night and you will finally understand.
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:26pmGod will not be mocked.
Report Post »rebel-yell
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:56pmIts sad that you don’t respect God or His Holy Word the Bible. And whether you believe or not doesn’t change the fact that one day you will stand before God and give an account of how you lived your life. What will He say to you? Well done my good and faithful servant or will He say to you Depart from Me for I never knew you? I hope it will be the first response,but that’s up to you!
Report Post »HKS
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:06pmIf anyone need divine guidance these guy do. All this for a couple of atheist? Dumb move. Just let them go home, I wouldn’t trust them anyway.
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:13pmHave you noticed that we are now bowing down to the will of just a few……
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:06pmStop giving into this BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It‘s stopping here and it’s stopping now! These dope are the real enemy! The enemy of freedom and God in which our nation, founders and Americans fought to protect. I am sorry, but NO MORE! No more tolerance for those that want to destroy us…NONE!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:33pmand yet you’ll just sit in your chair commenting on this article all day. you should hop on your Hoveround, get your oxygen tanks, and your 9mm and show the 30 million non-believers in this country who’s boss!
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:49pmSo why do you fight so hard to remove something you don’t believe in? Conviction? How’s the “atheist’s for humanity” fund going? Oh that’s right, you don’t help people. BTW, did you know atheism is the cause for over 250,000,000 murders in less than 100 years? Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, Lennin, Kim jon, etc are ALL atheists! Yes sir, that is sure a great belief you have there…
BTW, I’m off my butt feeding the homeless, out reaching to kids, helping earth quake/hurricane victims and so much more ..HOWEVER, YOU ARE TRYING TO STOP US! Why? Are you against helping people? Hypocrite!
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:58pmThat’s a lot of exclamation points at the end of claims for someone who will do NOTHING about it. Keep praying, maybe god will flood the earth again and kill everyone.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:07pmyour lack of information regarding Atheist is not surprising. of course you wouldn’t know about any of these:
http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Secular_charities
as for the rest of your spewage, Hitler was a Catholic, and supported by the Pope. German soldiers wore “got mit uns” on their belt buckles, which means “God with us”.
Stalin, and some others were certainly Atheists, but their interests were in totalitarianism and communism. now, on to your side. you have the Inquisition, the Crusades, everything that has happened in the Middle East over the centuries, and millions of Africans dying from Aids each year because the Catholic Church is against condoms.
those who live in glass houses, ya know…
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:36pmAhh, I love the lies….well, not really. COLT1860 took care of most however, regarding the Crusades. Gee, guess who started them? Yes, the Muslims and guess who was being slaughtered…yes, the Christians. They (Christians) had no choice but to defend themselves. Is that okay? I’m sure you atheists would prefer the “evil Christian” be dead. Especially those two silly laws “Love the Lord your God and love one another”. However, you’ll support the hundreds of thousands of man-made laws that rob people of freedom but you totally resist 2 laws (that give freedom and true tolerance or love for one another). Are you against loving one another?
Oh, and Hitler KILLED Christians… he hated them! He was not one and I am amazed you think everyone is stupid enough to believe that. So why do you hate Christians? Because we pray? Because we give to Charities? Wait… maybe because we outreach and help people? Come on, there has to be a reason why you so harshly want to take away our 1A right? Come on… don’t be shy.
Report Post »m3lodym4ker
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:51pmHave you bothered to read Mein Kampf? In both his book and in speeches, he made mention of his Christian beliefs.
“Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.”
“I had so often sung ‘Deutschland u:ber Alles‘ and shouted ’Heil’ at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.”
“Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord’s grace smiled on His ungrateful children.”
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:30pmHitler was really more of a pagan. He simply identified as Christian when it suited him politically, but in reality he believed in all kinds of goofy stuff. However, in the case of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot — those jolly fellows were atheists through and through.
The Nazis despised Christianity because it stood for what they were fighting to oppress, which is freedom and tolerance.
Within a year of taking power, Hitler was saying:
“Christianity was incapable of uniting the Germans, and that only an entirely new world-theory was capable of doing so.”
Also within a year of the Nazis taking power, The Twenty-Five Theses of the German Religion, a conscious modeling of the twenty-five points of the Nazi program, was published in Germany. Thesis XV of that Nazi publication states:
“The Ethic of the German Religion condemns all belief in inherited sin, as well as the Jewish-Christian teaching of a fallen world. Such a teaching is not only non-Germanic and non-German, it is immoral and nonreligious. Whoever preaches this menaces the morality of the people.”
In February 1937 Hanns Kerrl, Minister of Religion in the Third Reich, said:
“The question of the divinity of Christ is ridiculous and inessential. A new answer has arisen as to what Christ and Christianity are: Adolph Hitler.”
More here. http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_nazis_and_christianity.html
Report Post »DaneGlesak
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:23pm@Cessna- If you were to ever crack open a history book, you would see the millions of deaths caused by religion, and understand why us atheists do not want Christian influence to impact our nation’s policies.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:29pm@DaneGlesak The only states that have grown in power and force without religion are communist and Marxist. They account for millions of deaths also.
Report Post »TheGrtDcptn
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:05pmGOD prevails…and His justice shall be SWEET…
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:27pmOnly if you get off your lazy butt. Saying “God’s gonna get ya” isn’t going to do anything. That’s called Lukewarm, and the same as a child saying “Gimme.” Just say Gimme, and you aren’t getting.
Report Post »TheGrtDcptn
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:53pm@ Itsjusttim
Funny how your post implies that you know anything about me…
Perhaps you should take your own advice, get off your useless eating lazy blogging butt and stand up for what’s RIGHT…
There is only one person who knows MY heart, and you’re NOT it…
Report Post »Copo
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:13pmLets not forget that we deserve to be thrown in the lake of fire as well and the only reason that we aren’t is that God loved us so much that he came down and died on the cross for us. We shouldn’t judge people in a “holier than thou” fashion, we should call them to repentance and judge by the way of our sword, the holy Word of God. We shouldn’t throw rocks at people and call them evil, we should tell them the honest truth, that they are a sinner and that they need a savior as we all do.
Report Post »TheGrtDcptn
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:53pm@ copo
preaching to the choir…???
Report Post »AugustusCarp
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:52amJust make sure you are supporting the right one then…. It would be too dreadful to contemplate what would happen if you have spent your life praising Yahweh if you find that belief in Zeus is essential to guarantee entry to heaven.
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:02pmWho are you more afraid of God or the aethists?
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:07pmcorr atheists. If the service ever needed anything while in combat or anytime it is a Bible whether for comfort or guidance.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:43pmWell, god is as real as santa claus so there‘s no need to fear what doesn’t exist. By default, I‘ll go with atheists because they’re real things that exist in the universe.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:55pmmammalone,
Spoken just like Goliath….You’ll find out the hard way. Eternity is a long time to think about it! BTW, Funny, 25000 manuscripts, 350 prophecies, physical proof, etc…yet you call it a fable. That;s fine…. However, why to you believe Roman history (as complete truth) with a mere 12-15 writings?
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:03pmI will still take God and I will pray for you MAMA…….Life is short and Eternity is forever.
God Bless America
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:07pmCESSNA
Do you think christianity is the only religion with thousands of ancient texts, predictions, and evidence for it’s validity? You’ve described basically every major religion on the planet and yet somehow you think because it holds true for your religion it must validate your beliefs over every other mythology. I don‘t know what you’re talking about with roman history – i don’t take ANY history as “fact” because it is inevitably biased (either by perspective, intention, limitations of knowledge, etc.).
Are you afraid of Hades? Are you afraid of the hellish afterlife described in the Tibettan Book of the Dead? Are you afraid that Mormonism is correct? Are you worried god will smite you for worshiping jesus instead of muhammed? Are you worried you haven’t been doing the right things to get reincarnated as a higher being? Of course not. Ask yourself why and then follow your own logic full circle…
Report Post »gsplgtr
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:59pmIf these atheists are so secure in their beliefs, or lack thereof, why do they demand the removal of what, according to them, is not even there? Having two active duty sons IN THE AIR FORCE, I am bothered as to how a minority believes they have the right to control the majority.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:14pmYou don’t want to read it, then don’t read it. But do not make is so that no one else can read it after you leave the room!
Report Post »AugustusCarp
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:56amWhy do you think it is the Air Force’s responsibility to provide, or give you access to the Bible? If you want to read one at night…. bring your own. They can not legally stop you… but they can not legally provide one for you. Simple
Report Post »dgremark12
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:57pmThese people are taking God out of our country!
Better pray for our kids and grand kids.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:56pmAtheists are really feeling the heat aren’t they, the Lord really has them tap-dancing to takeover. Because when one is in total darkness, it doesn’t take much light for them to get hot.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:04pmLukewarm, is the same thing as sitting on your lores.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:07pmYou sit on your lores and call into remembrance the times of your youth, and expect that the past will carry you through, just so you don’t have to do anything that makes you uncomfortable. I bet gas-chambers will make you uncomfortable.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:15pmAnd Americans sit there pointing their fingers say “Look what the devil is doing” and people say “Look at the devil” just as well as they say “There is Jesus over there” when Jesus isn’t there. Make no mistake it is the Lord God bringing this evil against you Americans.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:27pmEverytime you post something the song “Lunatic Fringe” plays in the background.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:27pmIt’s nice that the men in white coats let you have a computer in your rubber room Tim.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:03pm…and it’s laurels, not lores.
Report Post »lmroberts
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:55pmI don’t understand the issue, if you don’t believe in religion …. THEN DON’T READ the Bible. Put it in a drawer and forget about it. But to say NO ONE can have access to it is way over the top. Why groups like this fear anything that smacks of religion is beyond me. Practice the way you want, but leave others to do the same. And while your’re at it….grow up. And this group is against ANY religion…they bash them all.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 12:41am[But to say NO ONE can have access to it is way over the top. ]
Report Post »No one said you had NO access to it you dope. Did you bother to read? Freedom of religion is an INDIVIDUAL freedom. Not the governments right, nor the majorities right to use government to push their beliefs down the throats of the minority. If you want a bible, bring your own blasted bible OR make ALL other religious text available from Atheism to Zulu mythology. But you can‘t do that because IT’S NOT A LEGITIMATE FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH RELIGIOUS TEXT.
ignatzz
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:04pmBut it isn’t the Government providing it: it’s the Gideons. The Government is just saying “sure, why not?”
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:55am[The Government is just saying “sure, why not?”]
Report Post »Read again: “The books, of course, will be removed from the required items.”
The government isn’t saying “sure, why not”. They’re were saying “we must”. Hence “REQUIREMENT”.
I am certain the Gideons can and will still supply bibles to any service members that request them. The government was just in NO WAY obligated to require them.
SteelRight
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:55pmAtheist are imposing their beliefs on others.Hypocrites.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:36pmwhat’s good for the goose…
i don’t particularly care about these things, but i have no problem with other non-Believers who fight for equal treatment and the strict obedience to the Constitution.
if you have a problem with it, blame the internet. now that people don’t have to go to their priests or pastors for answers, they are finding out the truth about organized religion and the silly belief in supernatural beings. religion is on it’s way out.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:50pmBy putting one relgions text in my room without me asking or consenting, one could make the argument that it’s the followers of that religion who are pushing their beliefs on me. That’s not hypocritical in the context of christianaity – that’s the central tenant of the religion.
Report Post »Athiesm does not have a central tenant other than not believing in the supernatural. There’s no “rule” saying you can or can’t “push” atheistic philosophy on others – therefore it’s not hypocritical for atheists to do so.
However, they’re NOT pushing their beliefs on christians (to do so would be to put pro-atheist texts in hotel rooms). They’re just asking christians to not push their beliefs on others – this act is not promoting atheism like you’re claiming.
lukerw
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:29pm@MAMM….
Report Post »Sorry: Atheism is a Religion… where the Central Tenet opposes a belief in God… and substitutes Self for God… but in rejecting Deities, it creates Self as a Deity… and leads to the Belief that Humans are in Total Control of their own Destiny & Fate. This leads to the idea that if the Weather is Bad (Global Warming)… then Humans must have caused it… hence, they can fix it! Then, if these Humans are flawed… it must be Genetics… so they should be Changed or Eliminated.
phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:44pmLUKERW said: “and substitutes Self for God… but in rejecting Deities, it creates Self as a Deity… ”
that’s an awfully big jump to conclusions. Atheists reject God, so they themselves are God? why is that necessary? try this on, there is no God – period. i’m not a God. no man is a God. there are no Gods! that’s not a religion, it‘s the abject rejection on Religion’s biggest premise – that of an omnipotent supernatural being.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:49pmThere are no Atheists upon a BattleField… for if Self could save you, you would be there!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:16pm@PHILLY…
Report Post »If Atheism is simply Opposed to Deity/Religion… and Religion provides Morals… where do the Atheists obtain their Morals? Does the Individual simply create Morals? — If, so, how do the Atheists live together in any Society? Do Atheists act as Simple Animals… without Thinking or Reference to Laws (Morality)? Rather, Atheists adopt Social Morals presented by the Religions that they Oppose… making them an AntiReligion Religion, which simply refuses to Worship God.
phillyatheist
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:37pmLUKE – i am an Atheist. i’ve never been arrested. i donate to charity. i’ve never killed anyone. i’m tolerant of others views. i do good deeds. i work hard. i love my mother. i loved my father. i help my neighbors. i own a dog. i have lots of morals and beliefs. some of them are ones proposed from Christian doctrines, others are not. each individual finds their own ethical code (yes, even those who are in Religions) by which to live by. the Bible tells me to hate homosexuality. i’m not gay, but i know many gay people who are not worthy of hating. you see what i mean? the whole “you need religion to have morals” argument is so baseless that i find it hard to believe that it needs to be explained.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:46pm@PHILLY…
Report Post »Exactly!
colt1860
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:58pm@phillyatheist You can say that now, thanks to the blessings we’re reaping from the work laid down by a people that were majority PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN. Try saying the same in Iran, North Korea, or China. We’re fortunate to have founded this nation on such principles only found in Biblical Christianity. I’d hate to see your reaction in the time of the Holy Roman Empire under the Pope, or during the British Empire under the Church of England, with Queen Mary in charge, or during Mussolini’s reign in Italy, or when Stalin was in control of Russia, or under the centralist nation of Mexico, or under the Republic of Congo, or any other nation that did not have as it’s foundation a moral and religious people highly influenced by true religion and the Gospel of Christ, which demands of all charity, love, respect, patience, humility, brotherly affection, hard work, self government, responsibility, honesty, accountability, and strong caring families. Welcome to the US.
Optimist4now
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 8:58pm@Philly
I totally respect your ideas of morals and behavior and I believe in them completely; now, as for your belief in God, I have this to add — you stated in a previuos post that your mother (bless her) believed in God and Jesus Christ; from that we might surmise that she contiributed to your upbringing in a Christian family setting; the things you were tought in your infancy have followed you to presumably adulthood; from this we can deduct that your moral code was a product of a religious education, not your recent atheism.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 9:06amOPTIMIST – fair enough. i was raised Catholic. i was also exposed to Judaism through my father, although he wasn’t very religious. perhaps many of the morals that i and others have today stem from the foundation laid down through religion. i‘m not so sure that i think that’s true, but it is certainly a debate worth having. i appreciate your (and COLTS previous comments) point of view.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 12:26pm@lukerw
[where do the Atheists obtain their Morals?]
Where do obtain yours?
Christian Bible:
No issue with arranged marriages.
No issue with a 36 year old marrying a 13 year old. (Joseph/Mary)
No issue continuing slavery, only coveting your neighbors slaves.
No issue with 13 year old pregnancies because “god did it” or it was “ok” in those days for a 36 year old to impregnate a 13 year old even though god dictated no change on that AFAIK… But we now have laws against it.
To top it off, worshiping the very same god that is in the old testament is like worshiping Hitler because “he had a change of heart”. (e.g. Samual 15, slay infants Amalekites)
Believe it or not, around the world and throughout history similar morality developed without influence from the christian god and the ten commandments.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:42pmPontiac,
Report Post »You display such a willful ignorance of the Bible, I feel bad for you. Christianity has been the foundation of the abolition of slavery, freeing women from oppression, caring for the poor and needy, giving to charity, building orphanage institutions, preventing infanticide, forbidding human sacrifice, equality, caring for the wounded such as the Red Cross, erection of hospitals, these my friend have their origins in Christianity. None of these are attached to deceitful atheistic schemes of man. None.
lololmammoths
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:02pmChristianity encourages slavery. Slavery is awesome based off our founding fathers which appear to be the very model towards which the general Bible forcing people aspire towards. If you think Christianity ended slavery you’re incredibly dense (as expected). I personally don’t call for expulsion of the Bible, I call for the abolishing of the Bible being required. Either make literally every religious text a requirement or don’t utilize any. When all of you die, it’ll be inconsequential to the world. There will be nothing that awaits you. Nothing will come, you’ll hold onto it until the last second but no longer. There will be no afterlife which you can clutch to your beliefs.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:35pm@swift_driver
[abolition of slavery]
Nope. Abolitionist were not exclusively Christian. The bible/god does not condemn slavery. Christians were the first to institutionalize slavery in America. The south even cited the bible to justify slavery. Plenty of Popes over the centuries had slaves. For being such a “moral guide” it sure did suck at being a moral guide.
[freeing women from oppression]
Ahahahaha. Probably as bad if not worse than the bible as a moral guide on slavery.
“But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.” –Timothy 2:11
Just one example…
[caring for the poor and needy, giving to charity]
As if only christians ever done this. Give me a break.
[building orphanage institutions]
Nothing in the bible instructs you to do so.
[preventing infanticide]
Unless you’re a Amalekite, right? Maybe you missed that.
[forbidding human sacrifice]
Again, not exclusive to christianity. Try Buddhism or Jainism, both of which predate Jesus by centuries. Even Confucius derived an early version of the Golden Rule without the help of…Well christianity didn’t exist then.
[equality]
Oh yes, progressives love that word. Also, Timothy 2 applies here too.
[caring for the wounded]
Not exclusive.
cont…
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:40pm[erection of hospitals, these my friend have their origins in Christianity.]
Report Post »Nope. Hospitals & the Hippocratic Oath are nowhere in the bible.
Hippocratic Oath (Original English) “I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses,~”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital#Early_examples
LOVINGATHEIST
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:47pm@pontiac
[Plenty of Popes over the centuries had slaves]
They still do! Have you ever seen a priest? If you have, then you’d be looking at a slave. To the pope.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 1:00am[you’d be looking at a slave. To the pope.]
Report Post »Last time I checked being a priest is a choice, slavery isn’t…
swift_driver
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 5:08pmLolao
Such a positive and uplighting attitude you have. I can see how and why you are an atheist.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 5:28pmPontiac
I’m sorry you are so easily misled. As apologist Ravi Zacharias has put it, “Man rejects God neither because of intellectual demands nor because of the scarcity of evidence. A man rejects God because of a moral resistance that refuses to admit his need for God.” Evidence for God’s existence is all around us, but people like you suppress this truth, and they do so because of unrighteousness. They reject the light because they are living in darkness. Of course that cuts right across human pride. It is hard for most people to admit to such reality.
The Christian system stands alone. It has no legitimate competitors. It represents the only hope for a world immersed in evil.
The thrust of the Old Testament is to demonstrate the development of God’s plan of redemption and grace, as such was worked out through the Jewish people and their interaction with other nations. Old Testament history is, therefore, highly selective. The value of the Old Testament is seen in: its prophetic preparation for the coming of Christ (Galatians 3:24), its great moral lessons that are timeless (Romans 15:4; 1 Corinthians 10:6,11), and its cultivation of an awareness of the heinous nature of sin (Romans 7:7,13).
The Old Covenant, as a binding legal system, was restricted to the nation of lsrael (Deuteronomy 5:1-5), and was abrogated with the death of Christ on the cross (Galatians 3:25; Ephesians 2:11,Colossians 2:14.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on April 29, 2012 at 1:35am[I’m sorry you are so easily misled.]
By?
[As apologist Ravi Zacharias has put it,]
Apologist? To who? That was an ad-hominem attack. And a poor one at that.
[God’s existence is all around us,]
Yet you still haven’t presented any evidence of said god. Like a liberal your “evidence” is based purely on emotion.
[but people like you suppress this truth]
Suppressed what? That your mythological “god”, not satan, ordered the israelites (again, same god as yours) to lay waste to the Canaanites sparing no woman or “suckling infant”?
[They reject the light because they are living in darkness.]
I think the light has baked your brain.
[The Christian system stands alone. It has no legitimate competitors.]
I don’t even know why anything logical or methodological would want to stand beside it. So by all means remain alone.
[Old Testament history is, therefore, highly selective.]
Report Post »What? Is it or is it not the same god that commanded the slaying of suckling infants? The same ham-handed god that flooded the earth killing all but a few to (somehow) repopulate it? Would Hitler suddenly be different and loving because his son died for our sins?
No I’m not expecting answers from you on these questions. Just more delusions and pontification…
lukerw
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:54pmIf the Generals do not have the Honor to Fight for GOD… then, they will not Fight for the People!
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:52pmYou are a scary individual.
Report Post »dug87
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:39pmIt‘s the United State’s Air Force.. and last I heard it was required for there to a separation between church and state.
No government funded agencies should be required to carry any religious articles. However, nor should they deny it to their member’s if they choose to carry it themselves.
FYI, calling Atheism a religion is like saying not smoking cigarettes is a habit.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:01pm@DUG…
Report Post »Your understanding is twisted and not what the Founders said. English Kings created the Chuch of England and suppressed all other Religions… from which the Settlers of America fled. So, in the Limits upon Government, the Constitution, they imposed… the Government could not become in Religion. So, if Atheism is a Religion the Government cannot support it… and if it is not a Religion then it has No Moral nor Social Standing. You, the individual, are entitled to your Religious Choices… and no one forces you to read a Bible nor watch a TV Channel!
MammalOne
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:08pmDUG
“calling Atheism a religion is like saying not smoking cigarettes is a habit”
Quote of the day. :)
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:52pmThis isn’t MY AIR FORCE.
This isn‘t GOD’s AIR FORCE.
No BIBLES? No funding. No arms. Simple.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:51pmfrom volunteer to mercenary
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:50pmBibles “unethically discriminate against minority religions or differing beliefs.” Besides it makes the gays uncomfortable. I never thought the U.S. military could be defeated by one man, but I think it has.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:02pm@GONZO .. how long before they are replaced with Qurans?
Report Post »HKS
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:13pmAnd just how many atheist are there in the air force to be offended? two.
Report Post »khonasham
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:10pm@HKS Well, I guess I’m one of them, then.
Report Post »MittensKittens
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:48pmAll and all it’s just another Brick in the Wall! To quote a popular 80′s Pink Floyd song
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:58pmHow can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?
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