Airport Security Crackdown: TSA Warns Jail, $11,000 Fines for Non-Compliance
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While President Barack Obama tries to reassure airline security passengers’ uneasiness over new, more invasive security checks at the nation’s airports, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is doubling-down, warning that air passengers who refuse to pass through full-body scanners or undergo manual searches may face serious legal repercussions.
Entering into the nation’s busiest annual week of air travel, the TSA is taking steps to keep the long holiday lines at airport screening moving. Any would-be flier who enters the security screening area and then refuses to undergo the designated method of inspection — whether it’s standard metal detectors, full-body scans or hands-on pat-downs — will not be allowed to fly.
Not only will violators be prohibited from leaving the premises before answering to the TSA (and possibly local law enforcement officials), they also will face fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.
“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process,” Sari Koshetz, a Miami regional TSA spokesperson, told the Sun Sentinel. Koshetz said these passengers would be questioned “until it is determined that they don’t pose a threat” to the public.
It’s unclear what grounds the TSA has to be able to levy fines or detainment on would-be passengers or what law one would be breaking if they refused to go through with the airport security clearance.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is urging Americans to petition the Department of Homeland Security to change the TSA policies.
On Wednesday, TSA Administrator John Pistole testified before Congress and insisted the agency would enforce its new policies, despite the public’s complaints.
“We have to ensure that each person getting on every flight is secure,” Pistole said.
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BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:10pmlet’s see, so far the terrorists are middle eastern and blacks, and they sure fit a profile of a terrorist. that blonde hair blue-eyed little white American pre-school child does not.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:24pmoh, yeah, and they are muslim. so far all these terrorists are muslims.
Report Post »jefferson state
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 10:25pmAnd how, exactly, does one test for religion?
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:20amwell, if you’re looking for the current terrorists, if you got them groveling on the floor at the boarding gates and then screaming allah akhbar thru a plane, yeah good guess they are muslims.
Report Post »teahugger
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:09pmI can see both sides…going with the flow or standing up for 4th amendment rights. But what really bothers me about this is not being able to just leave if you choose not to submit. Once you have gone past a certain point, which is the first check-point where they look at your I.D., you can’t refuse more invasive searches without threat of detention or fine. Apparently we don’t have the right to change our minds about continuing through the process if we believe things are getting out of hand. This has great potential for abuse. This is wrong!
Report Post »drbage
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:06pmSo, if we go through the first checkpoint and decide to opt out of going further, we can’t leave? Did we enter the Twilight Zone or the DMZ? What machines are the TSA going to use to “judge” whether we are a danger to society? Are they going to use the Vulcan Mind Meld? A heavily govt funded and invested company just looking to sell their overpriced machines! Has anyone heard of other countries rushing to buy these wunder machines? No! How many El Al flights have been blown up or hijacked in the last 25 years? None. How much hi-tech does El Al use to screen passengers? None. How do they accomplish this? Having TRAINED security agents who use the techniques of body language and profiling–not nationalities, but personality traits, but, of course, here in the USA we could never do that because we are so politically correct. Of course, we all also have to believe that this is just a coincidence that this new policy was instituted right before the busiest holiday travel season. They nudged hard so we all need to push back. As further proof of how STUPID and incoherent this is, even the ACLU is siding with we the people.
Report Post »PeterThePainter
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:03pmMy thought is that if all the media channels are spending (so much) time reporting on this….like it’s worth that much effort….what’s going on that they should be reporting on in Washington?
Report Post »Waggedy Wabbit
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:23pmSounds like you spend WAY too much time indoors!!!!
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:01pmThe terrorists DO NOT consider it a victory to have people inconvenienced and embarrassed in a security line. However they will consider it a victory the next time they are able to cause mass casualties on a jumbo jet. Preferably by incinerating the occupants.
Report Post »diesel71dan
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:10pm@Nigel2
Report Post »Thats where you are WRONG. Terror attacks are not about them just wanting 3000 people in New York dead. A terrorist does NOT blow up a plane to kill a couple hundred people. They do it to strike fear into us as a whole. To cause us to change the way we think, to give up our liberties and sense of security. Things like this ARE the EXACT reason terrorist strike. I am sad to say it but it looks like they are winning. Mission accomplished, Mr. Terrorist.
M31Sailor
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 10:04pmNigel
Report Post »How about next time they just blow up the crowd in the airport lobby??
BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:59pmwould it just be easier if we became sheeple and let the wannabe dictator obama just tattoo the number on our forearms now and then strip naked to go thru the showers on the way to the planes?
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:59pmOr you could all use reverse psychology on this. Go with a smile, a laugh, let them think you enjoy it. That will drive them nuts. Talk as you get scanned. Ask them to go slow cause that way you can enjoy it longer. Shiver a few times. Almost guaranteed that it will change when they think they are creating thousands of sexual happiness.
Report Post »Or be like me…..if my P/U truck can’t get me there, I don’t go.
Psychosis
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:58pmum………fines and arrest?………..there are no laws that would allow them to detain, arrest, or fine if you choose to not go through any of these “inspections” if you go through, and have a gun or explosives, they still cant do it. the inspectors are not law enforcement agent, and would be required to call a police officer. if they detain you for no reason other than deciding you dont want to be “inspected” and have your privacy violated, then pressing charges for illegal search and seizure, kidnapping, and illegal restraint is within your rights, and will be held up in court. fines for refusing “inspection” without consent are also merit-less, and would not hold up in court. I would sue the tsa, the company i was flying on, the tsa agent, any police involved, and the local government/ state gov./ and the feds…..all the way up to dumbo . BRING IT ……….THIS PATRIOT WILL NOT STEP DOWN
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:16pmif we AMERICANS refuse to fly (aka CHANGE OUR MINDS about submitting to this gate-rape) then where will the vile anti-American wannabe-dictator obama put us? what if we CAN’T AFFORD TO pay his stupid $11k fines [where did that moron come up with that one] will obama have us tattooed on our forearms and ship us off in boxcars?
Report Post »MozarkDawg
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:40pm>there are no laws that would allow them to detain, arrest, or fine if you choose to not go through any of these “inspections” if you go through, and have a gun or explosives, they still cant do it. the inspectors are not law enforcement agent, and would be required to call a police officer. if they detain you for no reason other than deciding you dont want to be “inspected” and have your privacy violated, then pressing charges for illegal search and seizure, kidnapping, and illegal restraint is within your rights, and will be held up in court.
Thank you for the common sense, PSYCHOSIS — I am appalled at how many people are either capitulating to this nonsense or are saying just don’t fly, as though that is going to stop these idiots from moving into other forms of tyranny.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:11amwe still think this is an obama agenda attack ON the AIRLINES, to get us to quit flying to the point that obama can bail the airlines out –and own ‘em. and shut them down. and we have to go thru his TSA to get TO the airplanes …all of our body data is on his deviate naked scans. . that is what % of America he can manipulate with that knowledge of us. then add in the obamacare care atrocity where they report back to DC everything about our bodies.. great way to rope in and add the people who do NOT fly too. .
Report Post »we theorize if obama controls flight, then he shuts down USA pretty effectively, and THAT is one less MODERN mode of travel… he is also pushing those gay little electric cars and what next, the railroads? how much stock does soros have in them?? how afr back does he want to de-modernize us.. back to what we see of teh Middle East.. goatcarts in the sandy streets? will only his Gestapo have vehicles?
Nervous Investor
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:57pmMy decision is already made …… I will fly less on commercial airlines until I can cut out flying completely. This will mean less expenditure on airline tickets, taxis, airport services, restaurants, hotels and general shopping around. Over time and as more folks do this, this will serve to depress the US economy further and create more unemployment. Very sad indeed. Sell your Boeing stock before they fall off the cliff.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:57pmGonna put a big wet spot right on my crotch (water of course) and just smile as they near my crotch..
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:55pmEngland is coming to America.
Anyone who has seen London knows what I mean…
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 10:45pmbeen here since 1813, we just weren’t told, because they know they loose for good this time. Ever wonder why the Queen only visits colonies and the USA?
Report Post »reconmarine
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:50pmFolks…just go with the flow and don’t make it a stressful holiday. Get your scan and pat down done and fly. It’s almost comical people are threatening to not get the body scan. So be it. TSA is there 8 to 10 hour shifts and will be happy to help you miss your flight if you so choose by passengers purposely causing delays. Then they have shift change and you’re stuck at the airport with no flights to where you want to go. Use common sense. Protest to the politicians in DC NOT the TSA agent. This isn’t their idea!
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 10:42amIn other words, be “good little Germans” and line up for your “gate-rape”. No, simply do not cooperate with the system. If you can‘t afford to buck the system then simply DON’T USE THE SYSTEM!
The “good German‘ system does nothing to correct the problem since complaining to the government merely verifies that while you don’t approve of it, you’re still willing to put up with the illegal search..therefore NOTHING will get done to correct it. BUCK THE SYSTEM OR BYPASS IT. IT’S THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM!
Report Post »MozarkDawg
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:49pmFrom the article:
Koshetz said these passengers would be questioned “until it is determined that they don’t pose a threat” to the public.
So far I haven’t heard/seen any *questioning* going on, just a blatant disregard for the protections of Amendment IV. The purchase of an airline ticket for the purpose of travel by plane is not inherently criminal, we citizens should not be treated as though it is, we have the Constitutionally-protected right to be secure in our persons … that ‘unreasonable’ in Amendment IV does not only refer to situation, circumstance but to our status as citizens.
People DO need to get worked up over this, it’s not enough just to say “Don’t fly.” You must stop government overreaching every time they try it, you ought not to simply avoid the problem and let someone else fight for the principle involved.
This is wrong, there are other options — the American people en masse need to say NO.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:22pmit’s clear it is all orders from obama: make AMERICANS as disgusted, angry and as sexually violated IN PUBLIC as possible. nuns, babies, children, obama knows this TSA goon agenda has NOTHING to do with our “security”. he wants to degrade and humiliate us AMERICANS publicly. obama HATES America. this is just one more obama-soros agenda rape our our RIGHTS.
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:26pmI think what we need to do is REFUSE to fly if there is a Muslim on board. Everyone get up and walk off the plane and do it everytime … tell them to reserve planes for Muslims ONLY. That would work for me. I can not abide being around the perverts and the thought of having to “ACCEPT” their (quote) religion (unquote) is nausiating!! Screw ‘em!
Report Post »Conserving Ink
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:49pmThere needs to be a 1 month ‘no-fly’ strike. Everyone just needs to agree not to fly that month. The airports would have to fire the TSA or go out of business.
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BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:13amthat is exactly what obama wants us to do, break OUR airlines FOR his vile agenda.
Report Post »FREEDOM_IS_NOT_FREE
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:45pmDehumanize and break down all resistance to government authority. All humans must become bricks! Big Sis won’t allow individual stones. Everyone must conform as Big Sis tightens the screws. It starts at the Airport, soon all bricks will have to submit to a strip search at the Post Office, Court House and every other place that Bis Sis deems necessary!
Report Post »13th Generation American
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:44pmIf you don’t want to be scanned, don’t fly
Agentuntomyself
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:16pmAnother ignorant response to a real and pressing issue. Have you ever even read the constitution? Do you know what the 4th amendment says? What about the person who has to fly for their job? Should they have to choose between abdicating their 4th amendment rights or becoming unemployed? It would be different if the individual airlines were doing this – at least there would be a choice. Those that didn’t have a problem with it and wanted the extra security could fly with the airlines that did the body scans and the pat-downs. Those that think it‘s RIDICULOUS could fly with airlines that don’t. But we don’t have a choice because it is our government that is doing it, not the individual airlines. Get it?
Report Post »where is JG
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:32pm13th. Keep up the ignorance and you can doom your line to insure there is no 14th generation. And if there is any today, im having your local child protective service sent to your house to scoop em up. YOU SIR ARE A DISGUSTING EXCUSE of a Human.
Report Post »CM Sackett
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:13pm“13th Generation America”
…and haven’t learned a damn thing from any of the preceding 12.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:17am@13
Ah yes, the totalitarian lover pipes up again.
You clearly have no idea what “rights” are, and I suspect that you don’t subscribe to the notion of rights to begin with.
The 4th Amendment is very clear on what the government needs in order to demand a search. Get with the program, kid.
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:43pmIf you want to go through this, fine with me. But , HeavyDuty, don’t complain when you go through it to get on a train, subway, taxi or at a traffic stop. If you do not stop it now,while it is beginning, you will have to live with it forever,
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:18pmand, with thousands of miles of railroad tracks, no way can they monitor all that iron for SAFETY.
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:42pmFrig’em!
Report Post »Roywalling
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:42pmAdd your comments
Report Post »nsblues
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:38pmAhhh Comrades…. Good news from the Western front…
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:12pmyeah, obama is hoping to degrade and humiliate and gate-rape us AMERICANS enough until we boycott the airlines until they fold, then he can number our forearms and ship us off in railroad boxcars.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:30pmSo a bunch of flyers get together and rent a private jet. Share the costs.
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:30pmI think a better solution would be for every passenger to board the plane nude, put the clothes in the baggage hold. Sarah Palin here’s your chance to show you are a true leader and set an example for this groundbreaking method of having security without the intrusive pat downs. Of course any women weighing over 200 pounds would have to sit at the back of the plane behind see proof curtains and be forbidden to walk through the rest of the plane.
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:41pmYou don’t want to see me in my b-day suit! You and every one around would suffer long term effects for years!
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:41pmon second thought!
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:52pmI‘m 5’9″ , 300lbs. And a guy. BOOOOOOOOO!
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:16amever see a WWII dcumentary about the naked people waiting in lines? know what happened to them, don’t you?
yeah, coming to America if we cannot stop obama in time.
Report Post »DMcPher316
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 3:55pmI LIKE UR IDEA!!!! but I think we should strip down while in line, all of use demand a pat down, but if you’re a man DEMAND to be felt up….I mean patted down…by a female and visa versa….THAT would bring fun back to flying….and with some of us….naked…it would bring back the laughs too!!!!!
WHO’S WITH ME ???????
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:29pmWho are these people? In this county if someone says no to an “inspection” they have the right to walk out of the airport. I understand security necessities but WHO HAS ATTACKED us in the past? Common sense!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:09pmYou want common sense? This is the government and a PROGRESSIVE Administration .. rules rules and more rules
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:32pmI am going to demand a movie and dinner before the pat-down!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 11:52pmAt the VERY least a DRINK!
Report Post »Charbet
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:28pmWelcome to the ‘Dictatorship’…
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:58pm“We have ways of making you cooperate and we will use them.” (From Hogan’s Heros, I think.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:07pmYes … unless we stand up .. and they certainly are threatening a lot for such a little thing I would say … looking for compliance are they? … I think they are going to “nudge” the wrong person and have a big suit against the airlines and TSA. They won’t profile … but they will threaten law-abiding U.S. citizens — wow .. wtf
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 10:55pmwe’re getting close it appears.
I think the term “draconian” should be applied to this whole TSA debacle liberally.
the answer is simple: don’t fly anymore. boycott and protest.
If enough people do this then the gov’t will be forced to relent unless is wants to destroy an entire industry.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:27pmI am getting tired of these stories. If you don’t want to get frisked, or be scanned. Then don’t fly. I don’t know why people want to get worked up over this. I am sure that people can find alternative ways of getting from point A to B. That doesn’t require flying.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:33pmWhile I agree with what you are saying, I see this affecting the airline industry and not in a good way. It almost makes a skeptical person wonder if this isn’t what they are trying to do, or if they are doing it so they can come in and have to “control” and “take over” the airports. Either scenario doesn’t seem very holidayish (made that one up, I think). They could simply get their union buddies to make these intolerable just to create a problem and I certainly wouldn’t put it past them.
Report Post »CM Sackett
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:54pm“I am getting tired of these stories.”
…if you don’t learn from these stories, you WILL REPEAT… THESE.
http://academic.sun.ac.za/forlang/bergman/real/holocaust/holo9.htm
Report Post »CM Sackett
john seven eighteen
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:57pm@Heavy
Speaking only for myself, it’s not so much about either method, though I think both of them are far too intrusive, it is about the fact that the government has (IMHO) let the terrorists win by going to such extreme measures in order to try to “keep us safe while flying”. The fact is that terrorists will continue to adapt and find new ways to bring planes down no matter what measures we take in airports to prevent it. What they have been very successful in doing is bringing widespread panic and fear among the American public, as well as deepening the already great resentment toward our own government because of these intrusive methods that are far from bulletproof.
Look at everything we have to endure now just to fly, and who knows how much farther it will go in the future. Of course security is paramount on our airplanes but, as usual, I think our government has gone way overboard and is spending way too much of our money on a program that most Americans disagree with. I think common sense techniques would be just as effective in screening out potential threats and cost multiple millions of dollars less, as well as speeding up our time spent trying to board an aircraft. Not to mention possibly bringing fun back to flying. Now it is like taking a beating every time you have to fly.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:58pmwhat if sick grandma is in FL and the kids are all democrats up in Bitter, Oregon and they need to reach her in 2 days.
Report Post »smamere
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:06pm@heavyduty: Because it is the MOST ineffective method of security, it is one layer of clothing away from a random cavity search, is unreasonable search and seizure. I have been a flight attendant for 38 years and this is absurd. As my husband says,“follow the money”. Who is making those machines and who profits? A member of Obama’s advisory group has substantial financial interest in the company. Surprised?
Report Post »Sinista Mace
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:24pmYea, that’s it. Be silent because if you don’t like it, you can go another way.
It’s restricting our freedom of movement if we refuse to get fondled by the government agents.
Sure, go ahead and stop flying, then the government will “deem” the airline industry too big to fail, then take our money and bail it out. Then seize control.
Same scenario, different industry.
Nudge.
I say we don’t shut up and keep nudging back.
Report Post »FSUDAVE
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:27pmFirst the airports, then train stations, then sporting events, then concerts, then shopping malls, then ….
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:30pm@SMAMERE
EXACTLY!! Well said! And, of course, Georgie-Porgie Soros was a huge investor too, until he recognized a sinking ship last week and sold all his shares. Like a rat on a sinking ship!!
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:35pmGeez cause you know, everyone’s family lives WITHIN driving distance or IN the US or Canada… Really? That was quite ignorant. You don’t sit down and let the government do what they want just because YOU are tired of hearing a story… Get the heck off your butt and defend your constitution before it’s too weak to defend YOU!
Report Post »Eternal Lucy
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:51pmMan! What if you’re in line, going through the process and then suddenly get cold feet, or have a panic attack over it? You can opt out of your trip without an $11,000 fine??
And HEAVYDUTY (and others) — NO, simply not flying is NOT the answer.
I personally never want to fly again (and will try not to), but there will come a time when I simply must. Also (as others have said), this airport screening is only a precedent for other screening venues down the line (malls, stadiums, etc.) *** WE HAVE TO NIP THIS IN THE BUD! *** Get Congress to repeal this or something. GO BACK TO PROFILING.
Though I like the idea someone mentioned of staging a no-fly day (or week, or month), who will that really hurt in the end? (our free economy)
BASTARDS.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:07pmThe tyrant’s preponderance of propaganda is directed at airport security. What do you suppose they’re doing in the background? Could this be just another example of the “preponderance of propaganda” laying a smokescreen! Are the wannabe tyrants and their cronies publicizing lies, half-truths and the irrelevant to avoid a discussion of the real issues and advance the cause of tyranny?
Report Post »When the premise is false the only arguments that can be used are fear mongering, emotion, sarcasm, ridicule, attacking the messenger and misrepresentation of the facts (lying). Those who expect to reap huge profits from our misery caused by tyranny are experts at these tactics.
The only relevant issue is freedom or tyranny!!!!
http://commonsense21c.com/
Agentuntomyself
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:08pm@Heavy,
Report Post »Wow. Really? What are we, pioneers? Should we just hitch up the covered wagon and walk across the plains for three months to get from one side of the country to another? This is a VIOLATION OF THE 4TH AMENDMENT. And it isn’t being done by some private citizen or business as a condition of access to their private property. It is being done by the GOVERNMENT as a condition of access to travel. Gone are the days when everything is local. There are lots of people that have to fly for their jobs. What are they supposed to do? Hop in the car and drive from L.A. to New York or Chicago for a business trip that normally would take a few days, but now takes two weeks? Just one more nail in the coffin for American Business. And these bastards aren’t going to budge. The arrogance of this guy Pistole – a TSA “administrator” – makes me sick. Of course he doesn’t have to listen to the American people, he was never elected. He is just a worthless beaurocrat who does whatever he wants. Sickening.
what4
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:25pmHeavyduty We as Americans are protected from our government by the constitution (4th amendment here) If we allow the government to trample this right, by stating this is for security, they have their foot in the door to totally bringing down the rights we have all together. Just as I have heard people saying “it a right to fly” well if you are the pilot, yes, the licencing of pilots is a good thing, however to fly on a plane is a transaction between private parties. I do not fly and never have or will, this is about the over-reaching of our government and if we allow it…they will want more! I prefer not to be hearded like cattle or sheep!
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:43pmFSUDAVE
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:27pm
First the airports, then train stations, then sporting events, then concerts, then shopping malls, then ….
then the cattle cars and showers’…………
Report Post »tbb
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:48pmI’m getting tired of them too and we are missing a lot of other things because of them. Like the DREAM act. However we still need to stand up and fight the over reach of the mighty government arm with everything we have. Mostly I think we will have to fight it in the court room.
Report Post »LUDWIKA BRONISLAWA
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:32pmI believe it is the loss of our FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHT that is the big deal. If YOU don’t think losing our rights is a big deal, please don’t vote anymore.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:42pmAgreed….those with enough money will either charter a plane or buy one for private use….those who cannot will either submit to illegal search and seizure or not fly…the result will ultimately be the collapse of the American airline industry…which will then be taken over by the government….Ride the BUS! Take a TRAIN! But DO NOT FLY COMMERCIALLY!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 10:21pm@heavyduty,
The reason we’re getting worked up is because with the scans, essentially, they have a level of intimate knowledge about us which allows them to track us anywhere. The TSA is essentially a standing army, which is unconstitutional.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:33amHeavyduty, you are a moron and you don’t deserve to be callen an American, you coward.
tower7femacamp
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 8:42amdon’t fly ? @heavyduty
Report Post »what are you going to do when they move them to Grocery stores ?
would you care then ?
ltb
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 4:29pmHeavyduty, I shouldn’t have called you names and apologize, but you need to wake up. This isn’t about security, it’s about a corrupt government (both parties) amassing unprecedented power. Anyone who thinks the federal government is merely acting in our best interests, when it subjects American citizens to public humiliation, is unbelievably naive. How many times do you have to be lied to and stolen from by Your government, before a light goes off in your head?
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 10:30pmI am wondering how many high school trips were planned in advance, before the new screening process was put in place. Last year my granddaughter went to Hawaii with her class. They had to have all of their money paid by now. If this were last year, I don’t know if I would let her go. How many parents and guardians would be reluctant to allow their children go on an airline with the new regulations.
Report Post »I think fewer trips will be planned. That will cut down on airline income. You can’t drive to hawaii.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:14am@Heavy
Thank you, once again, for weighing in favor of a police state.
Two private parties contracting business together does NOT mean that the government can demand one or both parties give up their rights.
Hope that clarifies for you.
Report Post »KenInIL
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 6:25pmSo what happens if, instead of a strip search, you just strip right there and say “check out my clothes”??
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 7:17pmthe AMERICAN teenager in the family nextdoor threatens to crap in their hand when they go to molest his genitals. ugg, but that’s an AMERICAN kid for ya. he knows his WWII History!
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:14pmThe first person who is actually fined or charged with a crime by the TSA for their refusal of the pat down should file a suit for discrimination, assault, harrassment, and challenge the constitutionality of their authority in the conducting of these blatant illegal searches.
I feel they would have good grounds to stand upon. Let the courts be the final arbitrator in the current laws and the constitution be the final guaranteeor of the rights of the citizens of America.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:15pmThis also could be the buildup to the administration seeking to nationalize the airlines and tighten another noose about the neck of the American liberties and freedoms.
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:34pmYou get jailed for indecent exposure.
It would be better if nobody showed up at the airports and went by train instead during the holidays especially for those trips of a single day or less. The effect on the bottom line of the airlines and the TSA on its labor cost for paying people to stand around would be justice served by the American way.
But you could also do what ACORN did to the elections, overwhelm them with refusals to Patdown it will force them to make a decision if hundreds of thousands of people are fined the airport jail will be overwhelmed to the point that they would have to do something that day or shutdown…
It is radical but with a radical President that refuses to listen to the people it sometimes takes radical ideas to get his attention.
Captain77
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 8:55pmI like how Ron Paul introduced his, “American Traveler Dignity Act” which basically removes the immunity from anyone in the federal government from doing anything you or I cannot do. I can’t grope or take nude pictures other, and neither should the federal government.
It is the duty of the government is to protect us, but more importantly, protect our rights. Its a sad thing that it wasn’t until the government decide to grab our crotches that we finally take a stand.
FREEDOM_IS_NOT_FREE
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:17pmIt is obvious that the effect of this will cause people to fly far less than in the past. This will put our economy farther into the ditch and reduce carbon emissions. I can think of several people who will be more than pleased.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:19pmSNOWLEOPARD,
What Courts would you be talking about here?? Surely you wouldn’t mean the Kangaroo Courts in the United States of America, they’ve ALL been actively destroying the Constitution for the last 200 years.
Report Post »LUDWIKA BRONISLAWA
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:27pmSo now we can add kidnapping to the sexual assault charges? If one refuses an ILLEGAL search, they can’t get on the plane, understandable, but you want to charge them with a crime and fine them too?!?! God help us save our country and regain every one of our lost rights. I got one word for the TSA…………….DOGS!!!!!!!! They can sniff out cell phones and bed bugs for cryin’ out loud, park a couple of dogs at every metal detector and you’re all set. I would feel MUCH safer knowing everyone had been checked out by dogs. Now since we don’t hold cargo to the same standards, it’s all for naught anyway! GOD BRING BACK THE COMMON SENSE PLEASE!!
Diane999
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:33pmI am an AMERICAN for crying out loud. I don’t submit to illegal search and seizure, invasion of privacy, or the paying of fines not based in law. I am a law-abiding citizen who will not be tolerated as a terrorist. We are guaranteed to have our day in court before our peers before we lose these rights, and we are guaranteed that we will not lose them unless we commit a crime. I will no longer be treated as a criminal. If that means boycotting the airlines until this stops, so be it. I will not willingly be a partner to the blatant stripping of my constitutionally guaranteed rights as an American citizen. Nuff said.
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 9:44pmIt’s a private business, if we don’t comply, then we should be asked to leave, and only THEN should we be fined or jailed for refusing to leave private property when asked.
The TSA is overstepping its Constitutional authority. This is a police state nation now. We all pissed our freedom away and now we’re probably going to have to fight to get it back.
@snowleopard3200, the courts only work if they judge Constitutionally, and for years, they’ve been reading a Progressive understanding of “stare decisis”, “evidence”, and “Constitutional” into the law. The Constitution is authoritatively PRIOR to the courts, or any office, and as such the courts CANNOT be the final arbiter as to the definition of “Constitutional” – they don’t get to swear an oath to abide by the Constitution, only to redefine it. That’s not at all logical.
taxidriver
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 10:05pmRather than the opt out your suggestion is much better because it ridicules the whole thing
Report Post »jzs
Posted on November 20, 2010 at 11:41pmDoctor, your post is incoherent. The purpose of the Supreme Court is to interpret the how the Constitution applies to issues that come before it. That function is defined by the Constitution. What are you talking about?
But you make a point worth commenting on. The airlines are private businesses. I know the TSA, a government agency, is conducting the screening, but what if the airlines decided they wouldn’t allow passengers to board without a screen or pat down. Would it be okay then? or would we want to government to step in and say that is illegal?
For all of you opposed to this, you’re in company. These measures are opposed by your friends in the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) and by CAIR (Counsel for American Islamic Relations). Does that make you feel better? It should create “cognitive dissonance” in your black and white world, because you are required by the Tea Party to disagree with anything the ACLU or CAIR supports.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:15amI am curious about the qualifications required for employment as one of these screeners, and how much of a back ground investigation are they subject to prior to employment?
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:22amthis will be a huge boom for the tourism industry.We were planning a Florida vacation, but my wife and 13 year old daughter refuse to fly now.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:48am@ishka4me, go on you vacation. Drive if you don’t want to fly. Your family really wants to go right? Or fly and go through the scanners. Why in the world do you care if a some anonymous person sees an image of your body? You go through it, it’s over, it’s done and you go on your vacation. What are you afraid of?
Report Post »aLinedog
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:12amYou’re right, JZS, we could roll over and take it. You just don’t get it do you? You don’t. You’re not a parent either. Anyroad you’re an idiot. Stop talking now.
Report Post »TEA Party members are united only in our desire to shrink the gvt. The ACLU, CAIR, PETA, Sharpton’s group, or anyone else can say or support whomever/whatever they want. We shall review all other arguments, each upon it’s merits, through the individual viewer’s perception based on their own life experiences.
What the hell does the opinion of TEA partier John Q. mean to me? Unless that person can intelligently discourse upon the subject at hand to wit changing my mind. I certainly won’t let him, you, nor anyone else think for me. Might as well be a brick.
I wish you people would wake up and realize that we aren‘t a 3rd ’party’. We are a group of like-minded individuals with an agenda. SMALLER GOVERMENT; PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY.
-Line
CYCLONE
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:20amI already tried that trick… boy were they embarrassed… and I was naked assed…LMNAO
Report Post »ltb
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:31amThese Nazis don’t just get to make up unconstitutional regulations and then threaten American citizens with imprisonment if we refuse to allow them to virtually strip search us in public. Remember the last thing the Nazis did right before they marched their citizens into the gas chambers – they told them to strip. It’s all about power and a government that is powerful enough to humiliate its citizens in public with impunity, is a government that has been emboldened to the point where it can do anything to you that it pleases. We had better get control of this corrupt government NOW, or in a few years we‘ll be living in a country that will make Hitler’s Germany look like Shangri-La.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 5:43amThe Nudist Associations probably love the direction that we are going at airports.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 7:12amI think the TSA will be known as the Gestapo unit in the coming new world order. Maybe this is the private army that Obama promised in his campaign. I think he said something like, as big and better equipped than the military. So I would not expect complaining to him would be fruitful. This is his private army.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 7:20amI was never a subscriber to the theory that the government was behind the 9-11 attacks and all the other terrorist attacks as well. But I have to say that watching all of this unfold over the past ten years has changed my mind. I think I believe it. It is definitely a plan being executed and a ************ with a stick of dynamite might be in the tool box but he is not the brains behind it, this comes from the highest power.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 7:46amThe TYRANNY OF LIBERALISM!
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 8:40amIf we stripped on our own at the airport we would
Report Post »be arrested for indecent exposure . You are living in a Prison system
the trap is closing I hope we can wake enough up
in time. Just remember Alex Jones was against these machines the day
they came out about a year ago.
http://www.infowars.com/
zman173rd
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 9:50amTO JNS: “For all of you opposed to this, you’re in company. These measures are opposed by your friends in the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) and by CAIR (Counsel for American Islamic Relations). Does that make you feel better?“ Just another ”nudge” huh? So how far are you willing to accept the govt‘s intrusions before it’s ENOUGH? Maybe the TSA should do “random” screening of passengers luggage, at their homes just in case they COULD BE a risk? The airport is just where the TSA is located, for now. screen at the airport parking lots so they can check everything. Show up 4 hours earlier to your flights? I don’t see a problem with that, since we were told years ago to sart showing up 2+ hours earlier. What’s your button JNS? Tell us all where you will draw YOUR LINE? Buddy, by then it’ll be too late for all of us. And while the ACLU and CAIR are also objecting, it’s different reasons for all of us. And while we feel it’s unconstitutional, they just want to break us down., like you do in a way.
Report Post »steinie44
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 10:57amBetter yet, then ask everyone around then if they went a grope too.
Report Post »bradthedad
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 6:11pmI really don’t know what America wants. If you want to be safe when you fly, then you need to go through an intense security screening. I know this all seems invasive, but I still see more at the beach or pool. Funny how much we are willing to show when its voluntary.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 6:20pmHere’s a REALLY BIG kicker; “On Wednesday, TSA Administrator John Pistole testified before Congress and insisted the agency would enforce its new policies, despite the public’s complaints.”
“Enforce the new policies, despite the public’s complaints.” Despite the public’s complaints, even if they are overwhelming and no matter if it is all of the public complaining? DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS??? This is a very, very good example of the U.S. Constitution and everything it stands for being literally tossed out the window.
Ok, ACLU, THIS is what you stands for, what you are present for. This is not a ‘black, Asian, Hispanic, Native, etc’ rights violation. This affect EVERY American citizen. EVERY ONE. This is a problem you should be screaming about, making headlines, and attacking with every office and employee in the ACLU. I’m not hearing too much from you.. WTF? You enjoy selective enforcement and this is not one for you?????? WTF???
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:12am@jzs
Please, quote me the passage, where is it specifically cited that the duty of the Supreme Court is to interpret the Constitution? Here’s a hint: You can’t. It doesn’t exist in the Constitution. SCOTUS no more gets to define your rights than any other court. Sorry. Take a Constitution 101 class please.
Report Post »Sam I am
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:12pm$11,000? Where did that come from? Did congress pass a law? Or is the TSA simply making up a number? I can’t wait for that to be challenged in court.
Report Post »What happened to the fourth amendment?
GingerC
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 9:38pmCatB
Report Post »FYI.. the “qualifications” needed for the position of TSA agent are… a High School Diploma. Period, paragraph. How many HS graduates can’t even spell “constitution” let alone know what it says?