Alabama Governor Apologizes for Remarks on Christians
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley apologized Wednesday for his inauguration day remarks about only Christians being his brothers and sisters and said he would work over the next four years for people of all faiths and colors.
Bentley said he didn’t mean to insult anyone with comments he made from the pulpit of a church once led by Martin Luther King Jr. He said he was speaking as an evangelical Christian to fellow Baptists.
“If anyone from other religions felt disenfranchised by the language, I want to say I am sorry. I am sorry if I offended anyone in any way,” Bentley said Wednesday.
Bentley, who spoke at the church during a King holiday event after his official inaugural address, said no one should hate anyone else because of color or religion.
Speaking with reporters after meeting with several members of Alabama’s Jewish community and other faith leaders at his Capitol office, Bentley said he will be a governor for everyone, not just Christians.
The Republican is a former legislator and Southern Baptist deacon who emerged from the back of a crowded GOP field to win the governor’s office. He told the church crowd just moments into his new administration that those who haven’t accepted Jesus as their savior are not his brothers and sisters.
“Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I’m telling you, you‘re not my brother and you’re not my sister, and I want to be your brother,” Bentley said.
Some in the crowd at the church said “Amen,” but groups representing other faiths in Alabama called the remarks shocking.
The Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish group that fights discrimination, said it sounded like Bentley was using the office of governor to advocate for Christian conversion.
“If he does so, he is dancing dangerously close to a violation of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which forbids government from promoting the establishment of any religion,” ADL regional director Bill Nigut said.
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Comments (216)
NickDeringer
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:17amWe have become a nation of 3rd graders. “See stuck her tongue out at me!“ ”He pulled my hair. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!”
Report Post »wodiej
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:08amI am a spiritual person who believes in God and thought his remarks were inappropriate. As governor his job is not to decide who to embrace or not as a brother or sister but to provide his service to his constituents. His remarks belong at a church pulpit not an acceptance speech as a public servant.
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 7:17am@WODIEJ
Report Post »Thank you! My point exactly, but, since I’m an atheist, you’ve got considerably more street cred! :–)
cykonas
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:17amHe was at the pulpit of a service honoring MLK in a church when he made the remarks. It was not his inaugural address.
Report Post »fathers_thought
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:11amNO, there is too much apologizing going on from conservatives.
Report Post »Too little going on from the socialists.
This sensitivity will leads us to the thought-police and a dictatorship.
This should not even be news.
jocko
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 11:08amBeing a ‘spiritual’ person and believing in ‘God’, whatever you mean by that – aborigines believe in the god of the rocks and air, etc etc, doesn’t make you a Chrisitian or part of the Christian family. You fuzzy thinking is only exceeded by your fuzzy reading… the good governor was speaking in a Christian church, not during his inaugration. During his inauguration he said he would serve all of the citizens of Alabama.
Report Post »There was absolutely no reason for him to apologize but I can understand why he did since Paul told us that we should now practice our faith to offend. Thankfully, he didn’t retract what he said which would have been totally wrong, he just said he was sorry someone was a offended.
UPSETVET
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:07amIN RESPONSETO BOB HOLLAND’S REMARKS. Bob, I think you did a superb job defending the FF and religion, especially Christianity. Thank you. Your remarks also about one Muslim FF and one Jewish FF is historically correct and meaningful to all who cherish their religion. I‘m a Baptist myself and if I wasn’t a Baptist, what would I be, ? Well, I’d be ashamed. Ha I don’t agree with the doctrines of many religions but I believe each American has the right to worship God the way he or she chooses. I will defend that right with my life.
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:59pmThank you.
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:04amThis thread is exactly why there is a wall of separation between government and any religion in the United States. The problem with religion is everyone one of them thinks they’re right, when in fact they are all wrong for that very reason.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:55amThe 1st ammendment does not forbid government promoting religion. It just can’t establish it. No matter what supreme court justices may think their false opinion has zero authority over governors and legislatures.
Report Post »slonlo
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 7:39amYou can take that even further and say that the constitution intentionally ALLOWS establishment of religion in specific states BY the states. First amendment says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Key word… CONGRESS. Meaning CONGRESS, not the Governor of Alabama. Then let me refer Mr. ADL to amendment 10, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” No where does the constitution say that a state cannot establish a state religion. Now I agree that they SHOULDN’T, and I’m not saying Gov. Bentley was trying to do that, just that the ADL has no clue what they are talking about. (In my best Samuel L Jackson voice) “Google MF, Do you use it??”
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 1:01pmIslesfordian,
But, under the Religious Tests clause, they cannot make being a member of the offical religon a pre-requiset for being a citizen of that State. What this Governor said was foolish politically.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:37amHe’s Governor of Alabama, not President. He didn’t try to establish an official religion in the state. He didn’t interfere with the rights of anyone else to worship in any way they see fit. What’s the beef? The ADL needs to go sit down in the corner and be quiet.
Report Post »Madcat151
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:35amWhats he got to be sorry for he was right!
Report Post »theonounser
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 11:49amI Agree
Report Post »DANO509
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:19amCould you imagine living in a world with only progressives in it not just groups but EVERY SIGNAL PERSON TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, THINK, EAT, WERE TO GO WHAT WORDS TO SAY. They would be at each others throats.
Come to think of it… maybe that would be hell on earth and that is what they are striving for since they are of their father the Devil…
Report Post »Anne G
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:13amNo, he needed to apologize. I am a Christian. But, he needs to work for
Report Post »all Americans. He took an oath to uphold the “Constitution”. He had
better live up to that promise. More than likely he meant no harm, but
I would hope that he sees “the light”, not just the one he is walking in.
scout n ambush
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:56amThe ADL is a liberal jewish group who gets funds from spooky dude just like J street they are not representing anyone but themselves and their evil agenda simply using the fact they are jewish to protect them from scrutiny.a liberal jewish person just think allan colmes that’s all you need to picture.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:13amWhat?
Report Post »conservativeBC
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:55amGov of Hawaii Miraculously Finds a Handwritten Birth Certificate of Obama
From out of nowhere, the Gov. of Hawaii claims he found an archived handwritten birth certificate of Obama.
http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/01/gov-of-hawaii-miraculously-finds.html
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:11amWas the ink dry yet ? I wonder what Obama or does it say sotoro on the worthless piece of paper promised Hawaii he just gave dominos pizza a 12 million dollar bailout so it has to be worth more to him than that he probably has 30 million in lawyer fees by now just keeping it from public view there is no long form birth certificate if there was he would have just showed it and stopped the controversy unless he wants the controversy to divide us? nah….not him.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:11amJust stop.
Report Post »sodizzy
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:21amPeople should refer to the words of Jesus in red which are in the Word of God for clarification on this point. He instructed us.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:16amThey are just mad that he is not a believer in collective salvation i knew what he really meant and the people whining did too. Although there are christian‘s out there that say condeming things to people who are searching for answers about our faith this guy meant no offense and i have met offensive christian’s which is why i don’t go to a denominational church .i am a evangelical i get my sermons from tct godtv tbn jesse duplantis perry stone joseph prince andrew womack they don’t judge me like some fake christians will .
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:23amYeah…they’re ticked off about collective salvation….that was the first thing thing that jumped to mind for me too.
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:02amOkay, he said this in church ?
Report Post »He didn‘t say those who haven’t accepted Christ aren’t my constituents, so I don’t see what the issue is
Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:08amThe issue is it was a dumb thing to say after just being sworn in as Governor of ALL the people in a state!
Report Post »It doesn’t make him a terrible person, it’s just makes him guilty of, at best, being a really lousy politician.
Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:17amIf you don’t take Jesus as your Lord and Savior… “you‘re not my brother and you’re not my sister” Seems like the Gov. is saying that non-Christian constituents are not as “special” or “equal” as Christian constituents! If someone is NOT your brother or sister you usually do NOT love them as much. Maybe he didn’t mean it that way but that is the perception by many.
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:27amBeing a believer in Christ according to scripture He then becomes your father for He is the cause of a believer being born again. Therefore it is common for people to say you are my brother and sister in a church setting. When a person says to another Christian you’re my brother and sister it is in that CONTEXT. Therefore with that context being understood those who are not Christians are not his brothers and sisters.
With all that being said. I personally believe as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints all people who are born on this great planet are our brothers and sisters because God is the Father of us all. But that is not the context the Governor was speaking from.
Lets not get overly sensitive on this issue but try to understand him in the proper context of his conversation. When you do that you’ll see this is not an issue to be offended by.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:53amI ultimately believe the Mormon Church is heretical to the “True” Christian faith! I love you as a fellow human Bob but I believe your “higher-power” beliefs are quite erroneous. Why put faith in the “Book of Mormon” drafted by a mere mortal named Joseph Smith? How Mormons take Joseph Smith at his word is maybe the world’s greatest mystery outside of our creation!
Glenn Beck’s Mormonism is something of a turn off for me as well, especially when he talks about faith and God! The Mormon sense of faith and the afterlife is vastly different than traditional Christian beliefs!
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:40pm@Pragmatica, I don’t know why you would say that. It is completely out of context of the entire conversation. Perhaps you’re in the mood to sling mud around today. Not very Christlike. Now while were at it. I don’t know why you would have a problem with GB talking about God and faith. I listen to him everyday and he is very careful to not promote his LDS faith. And when he speaks of the Almighty it is with reverence and with words and messages consistent with the Christian faith.
There is not much separating the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) with mainstream Christianity. Mormons believe Jesus is the God of Israel and the God of the whole earth. We know it is only through the atonement of Jesus Christ can men be saved. And all our efforts to do good is not enough to qualify us for salvation. It is through faith in Jesus are men saved. As testified by Joseph Smith ‘The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it’.
Christ is the center of our religion. It’s not a man. We do not worship Joseph Smith. We esteem him greatly because of the great work he did, just like the Israelite highly esteem Moses. They don’t worship Moses, We don’t worship Joseph Smith. While there are differences from the LDS faith and mainstream Christianity. We can say there are more similarities. There are many differences between the many Christians religions. If we all believed the same thing we’d be of the same religion. We just are divided by a few points. Which will be revealed when the Savior returns. And then there will be harmony between the faiths and all confusions will be resolved.
Until then lets not sling mud and try and insult something that a person may hold sacred. Doing those things reveals a mans character. And as the LDS prophet Gordon B Hinckley said: (I’m paraphrasing) “Mocking those things that people hold sacred (regardless of whether it is true or untrue) shows a lack of character”. Let us be a better people because unless we are virtuous we can not have our current constitution. Because this constitution can not govern a people who are not virtuous and moral. This is the lynching pin of all Glenn Beck is about. When he speaks of faith and God it is to inspire people of all faiths whether Christian or not to apply the principles of their faith in their life. Because almost all religions teach that you should strive to be more virtuous and moral. If that offends you as a Christian you should look inside yourself and ask why. Perhaps there is work that needs to be done within. Because most Christians are not offended when a man says apply your own faith more diligently.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:49pmApologies for the “mud slinging” Bob. We just have a difference of opinion and a difference in theological beliefs. In my opinion the beliefs of Mormons (from Joseph Smith, to Moroni, to ruling over your own planet in the afterlife) are WORLDS APART from mainstream Christian sects. The differences among Catholics and Baptists pale in comparison to the differences between Catholocism and Mormonism!
And I disagree that GB does not discuss Mormon beliefs. He oftentimes references “White Horse Theology” (at least implicitly) and that we need divine intervention to “save” America and the Constitution. He believes the Constitution is “sacred” and somehow written by the hand of God instead of men, and that America will ultimately be saved by Mormon forces!!!
The Constitution is hanging by a “single thread” and Mormon elders need to save America!
Yes that line of thinking worries me as a more mainstream Christian!
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 11:08pmI truly believe you were sincere in your apology. Thank you.
As for our theologies, yes there are differences. Especially in what we believe the afterlife is like. Some of the things you mentioned are not official doctrine of the LDS church, but I’ve heard them mentioned here and there. Mostly by people who are not members of the church. But sometimes by one who is a member of the church who also has no authority to speak definitively on those subjects.
The areas I was speaking on were the important areas of salvation. What one believes Heaven is like does not save that soul. What saves us is Jesus Christ. Who is the Jehovah and the God of Israel and the God of the whole earth (as taught by the Savior in the Book of Mormon). He is our salvation, He is the word, He is the light and life of the world. I know this for He is truly my Savior and I personally have felt His presence in my life. These are the areas we have most in common. These are the important parts of the gospel. Refer to the earlier quote from Joseph Smith about how all other things are [merely] appendages to these things.
As for the White Horse theology, I‘ve never read it so I couldn’t tell you. What I know is that it is not official doctrine of the Church. Whether it is true or false I don’t know. But what I do know is that the Pilgrims own diaries say they felt as though they were led to this land to establish the work of God. What I know is there were divine interventions or miracles that led to the establishment of this Country. I know that the founders said the Constitution was not scripture, but that it was as great a miracle as any miracle recorded in the Bible. And yes the LDS church does believe that this group of men were brought together by God to do this great work and that is was done because God wanted it so. Since it was the design of God it is sacred to Mormons, and this is why we stand so boldly for the U.S. constitution. And as for the single thread comment. Can you argue that it is not heading in that direction. Look at how many liberties have already been lost. Look at the sign posts on the road as we watch the direction our country is heading. Those sign post say “You are losing your liberties”. Surely we can see this without much debate. And the word elders is not necessarily a reference to Church leadership as much as it is the general body of the Church. And not them only but all peoples who have not been apostatizing from the fundamental principle of the constitution. These I believe will save this country. But does this belief drive that great a wedge between our faiths. I don’t think so. Look at what is happening with the Black Robe Brigade. This is all faiths. These will be those who save this country. Again on the points most important I believe there is not much difference between our faiths. But truly there are differences. But Glenn saying be your best self and draw closer to the God of your faith should inspire not concern you. The rest of the countries words should be concerning you the most. Which is: look out for number 1, take advantage of one because of his words, why marry, gay marriage is righteous, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die, have an affair, self indulge, get rich, borrow for prestige, and at least once try a gay relationship you might like it. Black is white up is down inside is outside ext.
I’d prefer to listen to Beck and not that other gibberish which destroys nations and the souls of individuals.
A
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:02amHey, I don’t think that Baptists are “real” Christians, and how about those Lutherans who broke away from the “true” Church because they didn’t want to listen to the Pope. I could go on and on, but I won’t.
I’m a Roman Catholic and strongly believe in my faith, and don’t go around denigrating other faiths. I cringe when a “Christian” asks if I’ve been “saved”. I say I’m a Catholic, and they go on to tell me that I’m not “saved”. According to them, I MUST belong to their denomination of Christianity, or my soul is forever lost.
It’s so silly, since I‘m completely satisfied with my faith and it’s teachings.
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:12amThank you DIANE….nicely put!
Report Post »mikemorrison281
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:30amHi Dianne,
Just wondering if your church believes I‘m going to heaven or hell since I’m not a Catholic. Can I come and share communion with you at your church this weekend?
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:46amI don‘t think it’s a matter of denomination.
Report Post »People are getting this stuff messed up.
There are saved Catholics and there are unsaved Catholics.
There are saved Baptists and there are unsaved Baptists.
The bottom line is whether you have accepted Christ.
The denomination is useless.
Jsh1284
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:08amAh, so only catholics go to heaven, eh? I’m a Baptist, and I know plenty of great, great, Christians. Most of which are much more spiritual that the Catholics I know. The fact is, you guys mourn Christ and put Mary on a pedestal. Which .. is a big reason they left the church. Furthermore, they left the church because the Roman Catholics were oppressive, far too dogmatic, and generally corrupt. Especially at that time.
If you were truly born again in Christ, you would not put the Christian faith into denominations and say OH, THESE Christians aren’t TRUE Christians because they believe in the basic fundamentals of Christianity versus rituals .. or .. these aren‘t TRUE Christians because they sprinkle water over the baptee’s head .. or these aren’t TRUE Christians because of X and Y and Z. That‘s just ridiculous and it’s borderline heresy.
If you truly know the words of Christ, you know that ALL people who have come to him are saved. Not just the ones who count beads and do hail mary’s
Report Post »Jsh1284
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:15amFurthermore, just being a Catholic does not mean you are “saved.” .. These “fake christians” ask you this question because they want to know if you‘ve confessed your sins and truly committed yourself to do Christ’s work … as he asked you to do .. with his own words. The fact of the matter is just belonging to a church does not guarantee your salvation. It’s very clear throughout the word that just going every Sunday and talking the talk does not cut it. That’s why these “fake Christians” tell you .. that you aren’t saved. If you’re saved, you’re saved. The answer is YES. Any other answer implies that you aren‘t sure or that you aren’t.
Report Post »DonaldH
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:51amWell Diane, I’m of no particular denomination, as a matter of fact I sometimes question Christianity in it’s entirety precisely because of some of the teachings, as well as their history, of the Catholic Church. Nevertheless, knowing what I know, I can’t believe Christ would have promoted or condoned Catholicism.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:03amBaptists will ask if you’ve been saved because they believe in “once saved, always saved.” Make an altar call, say the sinners prayer and you’re set for life. Nothing to worry about.
Catholics believe that no one should assume they are “saved” because its not their decision. Its a life long journey. God offers salvation to all. But each of us has be accept it.
Report Post »Cherbear
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:03am@JSH1284….as a former Catholic, I know I am no longer “blind,” agree with your post!!
Report Post »WarEagle04
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:06amI am Roman Catholic as well. Although you do not believe that Baptist or Lutheranism followers are true Christians – Here are the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. I am not trying to offend you, but I do want people to be able to reference what the True belief of the Church is.
Does the Roman Catholic Church sees Protestant denominations as ‘means of salvation.’?
Please reference Paragraph 819. CCC.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “..many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation…”
Report Post »theonounser
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 11:59amDiane TX
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:02am
Hey, I don’t think that Baptists are “real” Christians, and how about those Lutherans who broke away from the “true” Church because they didn’t want to listen to the Pope. I could go on and on, but I won’t. THEN YOU SAID – and don’t go around denigrating other faiths.
Silly, you did.
Report Post »NorthernRebel
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:55amThis is complete poop. How come when a politician promises to help *blank* (insert blacks, latinos, etc) they are lauded for their views and compassions but as soon as someone brings up Christianity the cannons come out? This is just ridiculous. Along this line of reasoning I’m allowed to be offended when a politician promises to help blacks and not help everyone. Oh wait, that’s discrimination. This guy shouldn’t be apologizing, he should be pressing harassment charges. I mean I get it, but does the Governor?
2 Timothy 3:12
In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.
Remember when the Apostles were joyful for having had the opportunity to suffer for Christ? Governor, take your public verbal beating with pride, wear it as a badge of honor. There’s nothing they can do to you because of your faith.
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:09amThank you REBEL….nicely put!
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:13amDisregard my last post…you’re totally off base. :-)
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:49amFreedom of religion? Does he not have a right to defend his belief? In America, it is getting to the point that every religion, but Christianity, can be freely spoken of without backlash from others. He does not have to believe as others to work or care for them. We are individuals to believe as we please. God Bless America!
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:56amI couldn’t agree more….I’m an atheist but, if there is a God, I certainly hope that he blesses America! However, when you take the oath of office as governor of a state, it might be a good idea to keep in mind that you are the chief executive in charge of looking out for ALL of the folks in that state, and you might just want to keep that context in mind when you’re speaking AS THE GOVERNOR! DOH!
Report Post »Vince Vega
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:43amI’ve compiled a list of people and groups that this asinine remark was helpful to…here it is:
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:39amAnother wishy washy politician.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:39amI am so tired of all this political correctness. Please stop appologizing for being a Christian sir.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:40amHe is apologizing because he said those constituents that were not Christian, were also “not his brothers and sisters”! Maybe he didn’t mean any harm by that statement but the perception of divisiveness and alienation of non-Christians is obvious, and thus he ultimately apologized!
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:37amPamela,
He’s not apoglizing for being a Christian. He’s apologizing for being a jerk. He’s the governor of the State of Alabama not of the Chrisitan citizens of Alabama. Saying what he said during his inaguration address was foolish, at best. How did he expect it to be perceived?
Report Post »theonounser
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 11:54amPragmatica, If I tell you that you are in Bill Gates will you will feel good. When you don’t get anything you will feel bad. I should be honest.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:33pmWhat are you talking about? Bill Gates??
Report Post »OneFootRandy
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:39amI think the anti defamation league is dangerously close to infringing on the Govenors freedom of religion.
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:27amonefootrandy,
Howso? The Governor is free to have whatever odd beliefs he wants (Christ himself praised the Centurion who was neither a Jew or a Christian) but there are political consequences to a politican making statements that are this inflammatory. It may be a genuinely held belief but it wasn’t a smart thing to say in an inauguration address.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:05amSer Scot….buddy…pal….do yourself a favor and READ the 1st Amendment…
“CONGRESS shall make NO law infringing on the freedom of religion or the free exercise thereof….”
Congress….not a State…in fact MOST of the original 13 colonies – then States- had established religions…..and that was fine for the first ….i don’t know…..150 years of this country….
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 12:58pmJust an FYI, I’m well aware of the incorporation doctrine created by the Supreme Court to apply the first 10 amendments to the States. My point is regardless of whether or not Alabama could have an official religion if it desired it cannot, under the Religious Tests clause, make that offical religion a qualification for citizenship in the State of Alabama. As such declaring non-Christians are not my Brothers and Sisters is politically problematic for someone who is tasked with representing all Alabama citizens as their Governor.
Report Post »Jordan1
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:38amSorry? He meant what he said. This great country of ours is filled with right wing loons that somehow think this is a “Christian nation.” Disgusting… I mean, many of the Founders thought Christianity was evil incarnate. I think ALL religions are.
Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:02amThat’s flat out false. The fact is out of the 300+ founding fathers most were religious and “many” were even leaders of their local church. It was a very few that were not religious and it’s not a coincidence that those are the Founding Fathers that we were taught about (Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson). Out of those 3 Benjamin Franklin valued religion greatly and was the one to come up with the National seal of Moses leaving Egypt and with TJ came up with the slogan “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God”. Thomas Jefferson went to church almost every week. The church even saved him a seat. The church which he went to was the largest church in Washington DC. It was held in the Capitol building. Some even marveled at his commitment to church attendance as he would even ride his horse there in the pouring rain. Thomas Paine was the most hostile towards religion and even he told the French that they are going about their Revolution incorrectly because they were not placing any emphasis in God. If memory serves me correctly he was arrested for it. In fact religion was such a great emphasis to our FF’s that the Bible was one of the most referenced sources from the founding documents. Accounting for 1/3 of all quotes. It was George Washington who said the 3 branches of Government came from the Books of Moses. So did our laws of execution. And believe it or not. So did the idea that Government and Religion having seperate identities in this Country. They did not want another Church of England. In fact we had a Jewish Founding Father and also a Muslim Founding Father who later converted to Christianity. He conversion was helped by another Father whose name escapes me at the moment. We had other Founding Fathers who gave salvation type sermons from the judicial bench. And It was a Founding Father who inspired Congress to have prayer before every days session. That FF being Benjamin Franklin. I could go on and on. But I’m sure you probably quit reading by now because you probably are in that group who thinks that they were deist at best. Which GW denied he was a deist and others who thought it better to be called a traitor then a deist. I’m done rambling now. I just can’t sit by and read such things and let it go. Don’t read what the Historians say about our FF. Read what they say and you’ll know Almost all were very faithful men of Faith.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:33amMany of the Founders were spiritual “Deists” but not evangelical Christians! There were important differences among the Founders. While Washington would issue Christian proclamations around Thanksgiving and other holidays, Jefferson REFUSED to issue religious proclamations as President and wrote about a “Wall of Separation” between religion and government (see letter to the Danbury Baptists). Others like Paine vigorously opposed organized religion essentially altogether. There were substantial differences and variances among the Founders, and thus there had to be some compromise. The Constitution is chocked full of compromises because of these differences among the Founders!
The question remains. Why didn’t they just say that we are a “Christian” nation in the actual Constitution and all of government’s business MUST be directed toward strengthening the “Christian” faith over other faiths?? Because the Founders wanted something different than a theocracy. Theocracy had basically ruled over humans for the previous thousand years, and they wanted a new way forward without the shackles of “government-sponsored” religion. They saw the downfall of the “Divine Right of Kings”. The founders knew religion and spirituality should be kept PRIVATE amongs INDIVIDUALS (not public and within collective governance)… Their foresight in this regard cannot be overstated.
P.S. School-sponsored Christian prayer in public schools was banned because of RELIGIOUS FAMILIES that were uncomfortable with the government mandating and interpreting Bible readings for their children!!!
See Abington School District v. Schempp for the real truth!
Report Post »MichiganPatriot
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:51amMost of the Founders beleived in a christian beleif, the eletist schools have twisted the truth of that to benifit their agenda. I will give that a very small minority was not. But the majority was and you can cry all day long that they was not. You are only saying what the progressives ahve been endoctrinating our youths minds with. A lie. Obama even can’t get his history right. He thinks the Statue of Liberty was bought….wrong it was a gift from the French. Prove me wrong ! I challenge you. Your proof must come from a source not tainted by progressive or communist influence!
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:10am@ JORDAN1
You’re the loon for saying this .
Report Post »Good luck in finding an open store or a restaurant on Christmas day & this is in CA that I’m talking about .
JimOhio
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:51amThank you Bob Holland. The Loony Tune left has taught this lie long and hard.
Report Post »“It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” Patrick Henry.
“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.” John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61
“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.” James Madison
These quotes are out there and more. You can start by reading Our Christian Heritage by Noah Webster… You know the dictionary guy! WAKE UP AMERICA
Cherbear
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 7:57amAgree with your post Bob Holland….wish they had a “like” button on this site:)
Report Post »The Patriot
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:04amIif the founding fathers could have looked in to the future there wouldn’t be any muslims in this country and the Constitution would look a lot different
Report Post »Americanbychoice
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:15amJordan although some of the Founding Fathers may have not been Christian most were. Do your research and you will find that most of them believed in Christanity and even went to service in side the town hall. The reason why they believed that a church should not govern the people was because they didn’t want one religion to be over the entire nation they believed that if that was done they would just be going back to the mother land (England). I believe that before you make a comment like you did you might want to do a little more research. The constitution is full of facts that prove that the Founding Fathers believed and you might want to look at quote the many quotes from Ben. Franklin, George Washington, John Hancock amongst the many other Founding Fathers. It can not be disputed that this country was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs.
Report Post »Ser Scot
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:24amJordan,
I’m a fairly low key Christian. My faith is mine and don’t demand everyone else follow it. That said, who, among the Founding Fathers claimed that Christianity was “Evil”, and where did they say this?
Report Post »HumbleCitizen
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:25am“Many of the founders thought Christianity was…evil incarnate”? I would infer that you are quoting a professor or other person from whom you have heard this and not from the actual source of reading the founders words themselves from original source documents. Twenty seven signers of the constitution were ministers, and almost all the rest were Christians…up to 95%. This would refute your claim that “Many” thought Christianity evil incarnate since evidence shows the exact opposite of what you say. Before posting, do your homework and verfiy your “facts” least you lose credibility by making statements than can easily be shown to be false.
Report Post »warner
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:33am@Jordan: Read a book will ya! Good night!
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:02amsad sad pitiful little person you are…
someone that has nothing higher or better to aspire to or believe in reallly becomes the lowest of animals….
the human condition is built around the search of knowledge and for the meaning of life….
thinking you are just a random sequence of proteins that got together in a ocean soup and somehow became life…really makes you pitiful….the religion…the religion of the evolutionist is a sad way to live because it removes any desire to achieve and improve yourself or this world for those that follow….
i would rather believe in a benevolent God and Father that gave up His Son to save the planet than to sit around thinking that some thunderstorm 5 billion years ago struck the exact right location in the ocean where the exact right elements were to make proteins which somehow then became a DNA strand which somehow then became alive…..talk about imagination….
sad sorry pitiful….we should all pity Jordan guys and gals…not critcize him…his existence is meaningless and that should be pitied….
Report Post »AFeatherAdrift
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:26pmBob Holland, you are spouting David Barton and his pseudo-revisionism. The FF were a mix of devout Christians and Deists. They saw clearly the damage that theology based government was doing in the various colonies, what it had done on the Continent, and were determined that the Federal government would not select one religion over another. This was years later applied to the states through the 14 amendment. David Barton has a BA in religious education. He has no degrees in history period. He is a charlatan who has learned he can make a better living being a “fake historian” than a GOP fundraiser/organizer. For God’s sake read the Federalist papers.
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:11pmJust because a few people who lacked understanding filed a lawsuit about prayer in school does not give the Federal Government the authority to infringe on the natural rights of people to pray in school. The claim is separation of church and state. If that is the case there can be no prayer in the White House, Capitol building, supreme court, or any other Government property. This is plain wrong. And part of the progressive movement. That letter to the Dansbury Baptist assured them that their rights of worship would be protected. In fact that same letter was used more than a few times by the courts (before the Warren Court miss used it) to prove that people could worship on Government property as it stated that there is a wall of separation between Church and State. And even still it is about the Federal Government and not State Governments. After the U.S. Constitution was signed there were states who had State Religions. And that was completely constitutional. However, they the people had that changed in their states as was their right to do, or not to do so.
And the other person who commented is accurate. 95% of the Founding Fathers were of the Christian faith. As is recorded in their own letters to family, friends, and associates. Let the historians do some of their own homework and stop referencing those who were lying. Historians will also tell you that there was only one Father of the Constitution. Nope there were 6. Historians will tell you that the FF were only those who signed the documents. Nope it was also the Governors, some pastors, and many others who played a pivitol part of the founding of the country. It is about 350 men. This was also taught the first 100 years of our countries history. Changed in the early 20th century. And there were also many other changes such as: the main reason we separated from Great Britain was because of taxation without representation. Nope. Just one reason. In fact it wouldn‘t even have made David Letterman’s top ten list. It was number 17 if memory serves me correctly. Point is read their writings. Not the Historians
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 3:30pmBob, you can still “pray in school” but the GOVERNMENT cannot mandate Bible readings! That is all the Supreme Court said. You can still pray but the government cannot force Christian beliefs upon you.
Small Government!!!
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:06pmYes, you can do that if you have the money for a lawyer. And the time for a long lawsuit. You will win in the end if you have the right judges. We both are advocates for small government. But I’m also an advocate for giving us back the rights that our great grandparents had the privilege of possessing. It is absurd to think that something is unconstitutional in the 20th century when our FF’s and all those who lived the the 19th century said it was constitutional. This doesn’t pass the smell test. It stinks to high heaven and we need to fight for the widespread ability to do what we have the right for. It is irrelevant whether the people decide to do it after the right is regained. They may choose to continue the way things are. You see in the end it is their right and in some small community 20 miles from anything there won’t be any debate as to the legal rights of that community deciding to teach the Bible in school, or to start the school day off with prayer. With the understanding that all will have the right to exempt themselves if they so choose. This is the way it was and it is the way it should be. This does not increase the size of Government to allow the bible to be taught and open prayer to be said.
FYI, I‘m sure you’re aware of many school districts who enforce secularism only. And no prayer or even a moment of silence is allowed for concern that some student may take that time to say a silent prayer. Completely absurd
Report Post »Bob Holland
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:20pm@AFeatherAdrift, I’ve said nothing about the Founding Fathers desiring a National Religion. I completely agree with what you said in regards to them knowing the dangers of a National Religion. They wanted to avoid this at all cost. Not once have I been an advocate for a national religion. Nor have I ever heard David Barton advocate a national religion. And yes I know who David Barton is and he is not the only resource. And his credentials are probably the reason he has not bought into the revisionism. You can hate him, think he is misguided, but what he is is the private owner of the largest collection of founding documents in the world. He has about 70,000. There is a lot of history there that can not be ignored. It also continues to add to what the founders thought of the process of building this country. Including what they believed about God. Hence the position that they were mostly Christian.
Back to the point. Our founding fathers knew that they needed moral and virtuous people in government positions. They were not concerned with the faith of the individual politician. They just wanted good and moral people. They knew that good and moral people were usually men of faith. They liked the religions of our country. Now concerning our politicians today. Many of them are just plain wicked. And they use the politics of division for power, prestige, and wealth. That is wicked.
Report Post »questionwithboldness
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:37amyou are correct you are sorry for feeling the need to apologize for that.
Report Post »TruthLover
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:32amGee – didn’t see that coming. Guts guts guts…backpedal backpedal useless.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:07amWhy useless? He apologized so now he can move on and be very useful!
Report Post »Ken
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:38amBackpedalling only works if you’re Al Sharpton or a muslim imam or some crap like that.
Report Post »Jsh1284
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:27amUh .. Baptists call fellow saved Christians “Brother ___“ and ”Sister ____” .. this is completely ridiculous. That’s why he made the remark. You aren’t saved? Well, you aren’t “My brother or sister in Christ.”
He simply didn’t use the right words. Then again, voted for this guy. He had better not disappoint in a REAL way next time Otherwise, I will vote for Batman in 2014.
Report Post »Pragmatica
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:05amBy all accounts the Gov. appears to be a wonderful Christian, but an average politician! He probably did not mean any harm by his statement but the perception of alienation to his non-Christian constituents was very real… That’s why he ultimately apologized! Because of a negative perception toward non-Christians not necessarily any true hatred or inequality towards them!
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 5:54amFor the last 40 years I’ve been a born again Christian, Independent and Fundamental Baptist and we call each other “brother” and “sister”.Why not ? We’re members of the same family, the Family of God. All who are not born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ are not Christians and are not members of the family of God. Non-Christians are members of another family and have another father, Satan, who is the Prince of this present world. This is what the New Testament clearly teaches and I’m dissappointed that the Governor of Alabama felt the need to apologize for the terminology he used in his speech behind the pulpit of a Baptist Church.
Dustyluv
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:46amHe fell in the PC craphouse…
Report Post »MAULEMALL
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:51amDude… Put a rag on your head. sceam alla somthing or other and the press will kiss your arse…
Problem solved
Report Post »oldguy48
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 7:08amSuch horrible hatred for Muslims! Terrible! Most likely wonderful groups such as CARE will file multiple suits.
Report Post »Why did he apologize? Whats the problem with saying what you feel? More touchy feely bs!
Stuck_in_CA
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 7:31amIf we are in the family of Christ, why aren’t we Brothers and Sisters? I feel a kinship with my fellow believers.
Report Post »Crybabyglenn
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:33amLOL! The guy got caught being a religious bully. LOLOL
jgeezy
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:35amI am so sick of people apologizing for nothing. Did you guys see the dude on CNN apologize for the term crosshair? If not, I threw it on my blog. Listen to how absolutely absurd this idiot sounds.
http://practicalpolitician.wordpress.com/
Report Post »Alaredneck
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:43amHe was speaking in a Baptist Church, granted it was on his inauguration day in a very influential public office. However he is a Baptist Deacon speaking Baptist lingo to fellow Baptists. The media is picking at every word every nuiance of people of power to make news. Alabama politicians have always been a prime target(oops) for redneck “foe-paws”. It seems anything to make Alabama appear stupid and backward always is a best seller for the media. I voted for him too and giving him the benefit of the doubt. He wasn’t my first choice but I am hoping the best for his term.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 8:48amThis is rediculous PC crap, but it’s entirely expected. The world will not understand what the Body of Christ easily understands.
Plain and simple: He’s talking about a brother or sister in Christ. If you’re not saved, you’re not his brother or sister in Christ. What was the second half of the sentence? “(A)nd I want to be your brother,” meaning he wants non-Christians to accept Jesus.
If that shocks and offends you, sorry, but that’s a central tenet of Christianity called “The Great Commission,” Jesus’ command to spread His Good News.
Gov. Bentley is simply fulfilling his religious obligations, as every Christian should. The fact that people consider this shocking isn’t because he said it, it’s because the world is no longer used to hearing. This indicates to me that Christians have failed in our duty to evangilize a very long time.
God bless Gov. Bentley. Well done, good and faithful brother.
Report Post »zeiss
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:03amI would like to know why it seems Christians are the only people who have to apologize for their faith and why it seems that everyone gets offended? Governor, you stood your ground, you spoke from your faith…and now you seem to be backing down. I am a Christian and have no apologies to make. I am sorry you felt like you had to.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:07amHere’s the thing.. firstly a Baptist will ALWAYS try to advocate for their religion.. just like ALL other religions advocate for theirs.. however most have enough brains when in politics not to make comments that point it out.. Since the point of being saved is “to believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and our savior” Most people within their religions already beleive this.. therefore without FAN FARE in fact are saved..really folk other than the Politics of organized religion MOST religions are really quite similar.. the differences lay in what they name and at what age they implement their traditional ceremonies.. it is the politics that keep a rift between them which is good for Religious Politics and the money they hope to collect..It’s like our government conquer and divide..
Report Post »thorkyl
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:35amWhy did he apologize?
This is what the PC crap is all about.
My right to offend you is protected by the first amendment, your right to not be offended is NOT protected.
I will fight for your right to offend me, if I do not like what you have to say.
This guy is just another political HACK that is afraid to speak his mind and then stand by what he says.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:36amJsh1284, you are absolutely right. I have nothing in common with people who aren‘t saved and while that doesn’t mean I don’t love them or love sharing the gospel with them, I have no desire to hang around with them. He shouldn’t have apologized.
“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?” (2 Co 6:14-19).
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:39amTo say that everybody should consider everybody as family is as fake as you can get!
Every person on this earth calls some people family, calls some people friends, and some are just acquaintances. What is the problem with this?
More Liberal propoganda! If he was Muslim the Media would be shining the shoe of acceptance and tolerance!
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:50am-Dustyluv-
His ignorant comments is what got him in the “crap house”. The media simply reported what this ‘so-called’ christian said.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:18ammiddleclassprophet, why “so-called”? What he said is very Christian and taken directly from the Bible.
Report Post »Ezekiel38
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:31amAnother religion would have used “Infidels” as a qualifying term. I’ll stick with him.
Report Post »Patriot12
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:40amThis is stupid!
Im sorry for looking at you really mean. Seriously whats this world coming to….
Report Post »rhaedge
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:47amI heard GLenn’s comments on this… and I am sorry- I love Glenn, but this time he is wrong. I agree that this man was elected to be Governor of a state and not a church. That said, we all ahve different levels of fellowship. I have my immediate family with actual brothers and sistes in my family. Then I have my church family which I also call “brother” and “sister” from time to time. Then we have our fellow Americans which, I suppose (even though I don’t usually) we can call brother and sister of America. This Governor was clearly referring to his family in Christ as he was at a church and behind the Pulpit. This is clear in scripture! And I am sorry, but Jewish people are not my bother or sister IN CHRIST… Maybe as Americans they are, but not in the way of Christ. It all depends on which level of fellowship you are referring to.
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:50amUmm…The First amendment does NOT say government shall not promote the establishment of any religion. It says “CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”, furthermore, it says “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”, which is what Bentley, a governor, or anyone really is doing when they identify brothers/sisters. Wouldn’t an Anti-Defamation League guy have an interest in getting especially THIS part of the Constitution right?
Report Post »REDEARTHREDSTATE
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 10:52amJust heard Glenn say on his radio that even Charles Manson was his brother????
Hmm, I love you Glenn, but only followers of Jesus Christ can be called “Brothers and Sisters in Christ.”
Everyone else falls into the “friends and neighbors” category.
Just as everyone are not “God’s children.“ Only believers in Jesus Christ are called ”Children of God.”
The difference is what matters.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 1:15pm“Anybody here today who has not accepted Allah as the one true God and Mohammed as his prophet, I’m telling you, you‘re an infidel, and I want to kill you,”
Sound better?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 1:30pmEverybody holds a personal belief that somebody, somewhere, will find offensive. When we resort to constantly apologizing for personal beliefs as a society, what we’re doing is in fact eschewing the very notion of personal belief as a concept, which itself is a disavowing of individualism. Stop apologizing, I say, rather stand up and proclaim “Yes, that’s my belief, if you don’t like it we can talk and debate, but it is my belief and I stand by it whether you like it or not”.
Report Post »AFeatherAdrift
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 2:19pmIf a Muslim had said this, you would be apoplectic, simply beside yourself with hatred. Yet you make excuses for this guy because he’s a “good Christian” and “probably didn’t mean it.” Worse, one of you announces that only his particular brand of “saved again” (which is not biblical in the first place (the correct translation is “born from above”) is a Christian and the rest of us Christians are led by Satan. Such ugly rhetoric.
Report Post »capitolistman
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 4:42pmI would so vote for Batman
Report Post »pattybbb1
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 6:56pmI voted for Bentley also. Batman sounds good.
Report Post »servethelord
Posted on January 20, 2011 at 9:15pmYou are correct. There is a cultural (Southern Baptist) thing here and also a spiritual (truly saved) thing here. I tried calling in immediately after Glenn made this horribly wrong conclusion to set him straight but it was busy and I work so I couldn’t keep calling. It didn’t surprise me Glenn got it wrong on this b/c the presuppositions we bring to our faith will lead us to wrong conclusions. Glenn’s presupposition is wrong, Mormon theology contradicts orthodox Christianity. I love Glenn on everything but one thing. When he makes theological deductions and interpretations regarding the Bible, God, mankind, etc…he is going to get it wrong when he’s left to his current paradigm. The only time he got it correct during his black robe mumbo-jumbo when he allowed an orthodox-evangelical to speak. Just one verse to consider for the Christians who will read this:
Report Post »“So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.” (Galatians 6:10)
We are called to do good to all mankind as we have opportunity…but especially toward one another who are of the household of faith (Christians); which are my brothers/sisters in Christ. If you haven’t, kneel your mind/emotions/will to the Savior and ask he forgive you of your sins. And I too, like the governor, desire to be your brother – in Christ.