Alabama Still Collecting a Tax — for Confederate Soldiers?
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Madeleine Morgenstern
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A Confederate flag beside a soldier's grave stone in Cemetary One at the Confederate Memorial Park in Mountain Creek, Ala. Residents are still paying a tax that supported Confederate veterans when they returned from war, 150 years after the fighting began. The tax now pays for the park, which is located on the same 102-acre tract where elderly veterans used to stroll. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
MOUNTAIN CREEK, Ala. (AP) — The last of the more than 60,000 Confederate veterans who came home to Alabama after the Civil War died generations ago, yet residents are still paying a tax that supported the neediest among them.
Despite fire-and-brimstone opposition to taxes among many in a state that still has “Heart of Dixie” on its license plates, officials never stopped collecting a property tax that once funded the Alabama Confederate Soldiers’ Home, which closed 72 years ago. The tax now pays for Confederate Memorial Park, which sits on the same 102-acre tract where elderly veterans used to stroll.
The tax once brought in millions for Confederate pensions, but lawmakers sliced up the levy and sent money elsewhere as the men and their wives died. No one has seriously challenged the continued use of the money for a memorial to the “Lost Cause,” in part because few realize it exists; one long-serving black legislator who thought the tax had been done away with said he wants to eliminate state funding for the park.
These days, 150 years after the Civil War started, officials say the old tax typically brings in more than $400,000 annually for the park, where Confederate flags flapped on a recent steamy afternoon. That‘s not much compared to Alabama’s total operating budget of $1.8 billion, but it’s sufficient to give the park plenty of money to operate and even enough for investments, all at a time when other historic sites are struggling just to keep the grass cut for lack of state funding.
“It’s a beautifully maintained park. It’s one of the best because of the funding source,” said Clara Nobles of the Alabama Historical Commission, which oversees Confederate Memorial Park.
Longtime park director Bill Rambo is more succinct.
“Everyone is jealous of us,” he said.
Tax experts say they know of no other state that still collects a tax so directly connected to the Civil War, although some federal excise taxes on tobacco and alcohol first were enacted during the war to help fund the Union.
“Broadly speaking, almost all taxes have their start in a war of some sort,” said Joseph J. Thorndike, director of a tax history project at Tax Analysts, a nonprofit organization that studies taxation.
Alabama’s tax structure was enshrined in its 1901 Constitution, passed after Reconstruction at a time when historians say state legislators’ main goal was to keep power in the hands of wealthy white landowners by disenfranchising blacks and poor whites.
The Constitution allowed a state property tax of up to 6.5 mills, which now amounts to $39 annually on a home worth $100,000. Of that tax, 3 mills went to schools; 2.5 mills went to the operating budget; and 1 mill went to pensions for Confederate veterans and widows.
The state used the pension tax to fund the veterans home once it assumed control of the operation in 1903. The last Confederate veteran living at the home died in 1934, and its hospital was converted into apartments for widows. It closed in 1939, and the five women who lived there were moved to Montgomery.
Legislators whittled away at the Confederate tax through the decades, and millions of dollars that once went to the home and pensions now go to fund veteran services, the state welfare agency and other needs. But the park still gets 1 percent of one mill, and its budget for this year came to $542,469, which includes money carried over from previous years plus certificates of deposit.
All that money has created a manicured, modern park that’s the envy of other Alabama historic sites, which are funded primarily by grants, donations and friends groups. Legislators created the park in 1964 during a period that marked both the 100th anniversary of the Civil War and the height of the civil rights movement in the Deep South.
Nothing is left of the veterans home but a few foundations and two cemeteries with 313 graves, but a museum with Civil War artifacts and modern displays opened at the park in 2007. Rebel flags fly all around the historic site, which Rambo said draws more than 10,000 visitors annually despite being hidden in the country nine miles and three turns off Interstate 65 in the central part of the state.
While the park flourishes quietly, other historic attractions around the state are fighting for survival.
Workers at Helen Keller’s privately run home in northwest Alabama fear losing letters written by the famed activist because of a lack of state funding for preservation of artifacts. On the Gulf Coast at Dauphin Island, preservationists say the state-owned Fort Gaines is in danger of being undermined by waves after nearly 160 years standing guard at the entry to Mobile Bay.
The old Confederate pension tax that funds the park has never been seriously threatened, Rambo said. Backers were upset this year when Gov. Robert Bentley’s budget plan eliminated state funding for historic sites because of tight revenues, he said, but the park’s earmarked funding survived.
“Once I informed the public what was going on the support just rose up,” said Rambo, the director since 1989. Two heritage groups, the Sons of Confederate Veterans and United Daughters of the Confederacy, led the charge, but ordinary citizens complained too, he said.
“Some were people who don’t belong to those organizations who really like the park and come out here for picnics and all and were really upset,” he said.
State Rep. Alvin Holmes, a black Democrat who’s been in the Legislature since 1974, said he thought funding for the park had been slashed.
“We should not be spending one nickel for that,” said Holmes, of Montgomery. “I’m going to try to get rid of it.”
Holmes may have a hard time gaining support with Republicans in control of Legislature and the governor’s office.
In the meantime, a contractor recently measured the museum for a new paint job, and plans calls for using invested money to construct replicas of some of the 22 buildings that stood on the site when it was home to hundreds of Confederate veterans and their wives.
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Comments (116)
southernpaper
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:13pmThis is a tax I will always be willing to pay. I for one am ready for the south to leave this socialist union again, and soon.
Report Post »Patroit1933
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:37pmMe to. I live in Texas and we don’t need the other 49.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:02pmI guess that you are not an American patriot, simply a Texan patriot. It is good we’ve made that clear.
Report Post »AlmostaCowboy
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:10pm@Patroit (?) – you mean the other “57” doncha? :-)
Report Post »thedodger19
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:00pmlong live the dream of small goverment and a independent southland!
Report Post »BigKevin
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:18pmAmen, where do I sign?
Report Post »SouthrnBizOwner
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 10:21pmI‘ll gladly pay a little extra tax to maintain our state’s historical sites of all kinds. I have personally somberly stood in salute before our fallen soldiers resting places. I understand their sacrifice both as a former Sgt In my beloved US Air Force, and as a son of the South. My family never owned slaves nor fought for the right to own another human. I have the letters with the lies we were told. They claimed Lincoln would take our land and that could not pass as it was all we had. I wonder just how many that fought in that war would have stayed home if they had known the whole story.
Report Post »May this country find a way to work together and respect each other as a whole.
GPS-Tech
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 10:43pm@Soveriegnsoul,
Report Post »I quit calling myself an American and now refer to myself as a Texan.
acpetry
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:18amAmen, I am right there with you! I would always feel it an honor to pay this tax! I live in GA and I agree with what you said and the other person who commented (sorry I forgot your name:)), that the worse and worse things get, the more Im ready just for the states to take their rights back and go on their own! Any State who decides too will get my full support and I just may move there LOL
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:34amI’m sure you are. The south has always been full of traitors.
Report Post »Zwolle
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 8:32am@OldPhoto678-
Traitor to what?
The Declaration of Independence? “…That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. …”
Or any of the declarations of our fouding fathers ?
Or many of the commonwealths that ratified the Constiution? Example, Virginia – “…DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, …”
Report Post »Seabee79
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:04amI live in the north can I come and join you?
Report Post »hud
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:22amALMOSTACOW—56(57-1=’s56)
Report Post »Zwolle
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:23am@SeaBee79
Southern Hospitality – “Hell ya, and make yourself at home!” :)
Report Post »usnavyflyer
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 8:07amSouth full of traitors??? I think you might want to take a look at who makes up most of your military. We are the ones who meet recruiting goals, while your schools get rid of ROTC programs. We swore fight for the Constitution, which our government chooses to ignore these days. Not our fault our home states still respect liberty and freedom.
Report Post »Curiousgrandpa
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:12pmWay to go Bama, the memorial should be preserved for all time, if the progressive kool aid drinkers have their way in 10 years our kids will not even know about a Civil War or why it was fought.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 6:34pmThe Civil War was about money plain and simple.
The South made its money from cotton, and without slaves it couldn’t plant it or harvest it. Cotton was America’s largest industry and the South was able to finance the war with it. It was the invention of the cotton gin created a money rich society where cotton was king and the black man was the pawn.
No slaves then no cotton. No money, mansions, hoop skirts or debutante balls. And no unique Southern way of life.
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:25amHere’s how Lysander Spooner, a New England abolishionist, summed up the war in his 1867 essay, “No Treason”.
“In proportion to her wealth and population, the North has probably expended more money
> and blood to maintain her power over an unwilling people, than any other government ever
> did. And in her estimation, it is apparently the chief glory of her success, and an
> adequate compensation for all her own losses, and an ample justification for all her
> devastation and carnage of the South, that all pretense of any necessity for consent to
> the perpetuity or power of the government is (as she thinks) forever expunged from the
> minds of the people. In short, the North exults beyond measure in the proof she has given,
> that a government, professedly resting on consent, will expend more life and treasure in
> crushing dissent, than any government, openly founded on force, has ever done.”
Read that quote, realize the modern perspective of Government as “savior” – and one realizes Spooner was/is right.
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:09pmThe fact is the soldiers of the CSA were brave and honorable men, fighting for what they (and many today) believed was right. If the people of Alabama choose to tax themselves to continue honoring these heroes, then that’s their business.
Report Post »jameswhite1969
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:09pmIf for any reason i had to move there then i would have to pay this tax to men that failed to remove themselves from the Union. They where brave and in their own way honorable but they there also totally wrong. They had the right to leave the Union, They had the right to protect their way of life, they had the right to protect their economic’s. The problem WAS, this was just to protect the right to keep SLAVES.
Report Post »wildbluyonder11
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:52pm@JameWhite1969, wow! Is that all the Civil War was about, protecting the right to keep slaves? Really? If that’s what you believe, then you’re clueless about history. And it’s imperative that there are more historic sites like this one kept alive so that the REAL history never dies.
Report Post »flagbearer
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:16pm@Jameswhite1969
If the War of Secession was merely fought for the right to keep slaves, then why–
1) did Robert E. Lee free his slaves before Ulysses S. Grant?
2) didn’t Abraham Lincoln free ALL the slaves and not just those in the South? Remember, that there were four border states that remained in the Union, but were slave states.
There were many reasons why the South felt it had the right to secede. Were they wrong? I don’t think any true Southerner will ever concede that they were wrong on anything but slavery.
Report Post »1PORattler
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:45pmJameswhite,
Don;t drink the slavery kool aid. That was not a Union/confederate issue, but a Democrat[pro slvaery] and Republican[Party founded by blacks and whites to offset the party fo the Klan]. The Civil war was not about slavery. It was about centralization of power to the Federal level and the south was opposed to it…
Report Post »hereandnow
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:47pm@jameswhite1969
Your comment tends to show limited knowledge of the Civil War. Your call sign “—1969″ (were you born then?) interestingly is one of the years that progressives struggled to change history while also spitting on their peers who had fought in Vietnam (those who also believed in this country). Unfortunately, many of those who were spitting on their fellow American are now in or near the White House, still, with this intent of “controlling” your thoughts, opinions, and actions. You may believe the south was wrong, thats your opinion… yet still, I hope you research the facts from all sides.
The Confederate Veteran fought for an independence that was written for all, and history needs to commend that. The Civil War is a sore spot for all Americans, we need to accept the whole truth about it, not only snippets from here and there. $400,000/year is a mere pittance in todays world. I congratulate Alabama for respecting their own heritage, it’s their choice to tax for it if they desire.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 10:34pm@ hereandnow. Could you please send me 25% of that mere pittance? Thank you. I appreciate it more than you can know.
Report Post »hereandnow
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:07am@sovereignsoul. point taken, I digressed… IMHO, $400,000/year (seems to me) a mere pittance in todays world (for a “State’s” recognition for a Veterans Memorial).
Report Post »Eyeball
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:08pmThe state should be made to pay the tax payers back for their collection of money that was ill-gotten.
Report Post »Asmodeus13
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:29pmEyeball 90% of all taxes are ill-gotten. Like most taxes this one needs to go, the park can survive on it’s own by charitable donation like the rest of them…
Report Post »shades12
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:56pmEYEBALL you must be a liberal. I’m from the north and I would have gone south to fight for the CSA to fight for states rights.
Report Post »ghayes649
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 5:48pmI’m with you shades12… I’m from Michigan and I would join the south to fight for real freedom as well…. “LIVE FREE OR DIE”… Love that state motto, but I can‘t remember who’s it is…
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 6:28pmNew Hampshire
Report Post »FriedDillPickle
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 8:03pmAlabama’s state Motto: We Dare Defend our Rights
Report Post »Alabaman‘s pay their taxes and if you live in other states and don’t like how we use them… Too bad.
heavyduty
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:55pmThere are a lot of laws and taxes on the books in every state. This is nothing new, nor will they ever take them off the books. That’s why you will never see a politician come home broker than he went into politics. How do you think they make all their millions of dollars while in office and supposedly getting paid a couple of hundred thousand a year.
Report Post »duvexy
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:55pmIf our Government would stop giving 20 billion dollars to Pakistan we would have enough money to cut the grass at our Confederate Park. The reason they bring this up is to destroy our heritage by neglecting it. They have no problems sending money to other Countries who can not stand us.
Report Post »RestoreCapitalism
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:44pmThis is another example of why all state and federal branches of government should be audited for waste and over taxation, on a regular basis. Government will tend to grow bigger and bigger over time if not ‘pruned’ back.
Report Post »Wayne
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:31pmKeep flying that FLAG.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:31pmThe entire IRS was created to fund that bloody Civil War! Dismantle it – we have a tax code 10 times longer than the Bible – we can do better than this!
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:27pmDon‘t like Alabama’s taxes….move. 49 other States to move to. Unless you are O’Bambam then you have 56 other States.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:25pmWhile the state contribution to the park should probably be dialed back a bit (with money going to other Confederate sites such as Ft Gaines, etc) what is the harm with preserving an important piece of history? This strikes me as just another attempt to wipe out another bit of American history that is not considered to be politically correct by the progressive/marxist/racists in the South. To hell with them!
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:59pmI agree, there is a great movement in this country to rewrite history and to just delete the parts that make the PC crowd uncomfortable. Besides, someone once said that if we forget our mistakes we are doomed to repeat them.
Report Post »wildbluyonder11
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:57pmInteresting that the black Democrat said “We should not be spending one nickel for that”. Why not? Just because you don’t like the history that the park preserves, doesn’t make it any less historic.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:20pmA Democrat wants to cut funding but the Republican governor and legislature will object? I guess the end times ARE at hand!
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:31pmThat is odd that our gov will veto this. This state was run entirely by Democrats before and after the Civil War until only a few years ago. There were a few conservative Dems at the time often referred to as Dixiecrats, but they still did some really stupid things. Now there are just no conservative Dems remaining in this state. They are simply the standard run of the mill libs.
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:18pmNew Orleans has been taxing businesses with a “Maintain the levee tax” for YEARS. That money OBVIOUSLY did not go to maintaining the levees. Ditto for our social security taxes and medicare taxes – once it leaves our paychecks it is spent on pork projects and bullshi**
SS and medicare should be privatized and we can spend and invest our money where we want.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:09pmAs long as dumb Americans pay evil politicians will collect
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:34pmI don‘t think it is fair to say ’dumb Americans’. We really don’t have alot of choice in the matter. If we need a home to live in or clothes on our backs we have to pay the tax.
Midwest Blonde
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:50pmTypical Government – once they start collecting something “Temporary”, it eventually becomes permanent. And not always used for what it was originally taxed for, such as the case here.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:57pmParking meters were installed in Columbus Ohio (my stomping grounds) as a way to finance World War 2. Now, I’m not an expert on geopolitics, but last check the Japs and Krauts are no longer trying to storm our wind swept shores. Strangely, the parking meters continue to exist and collect “revenue”.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:12pmAnother case in point….we are still paying a WWll TAX!
Report Post »@ Coyote2
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:18pmThe jew parasites are still extorting every dollar they can for a nonexistent “holocaust” that never happened!
Report Post »stefooch
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 7:00pm@ghostofjefferson
Report Post »I think the meters are my fault. I stomp the same grounds and I’m German. Even lived in German Village for years. Heck, I’ve eaten at Schmidts and attended the October Fest. Dude…I am so sorry. Had no idea. Immediately calling 311 to report myself to Mayor Coleman…lol
btw, with the new smart meters, 500 replaced units were refurbished and installed where we currently didn’t have meters…Gotta love it.
SamIamTwo
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:45pmI’ve never seen a tax being reduced or go away completely. They just re-name it or reduce it some and let it creep back up in other areas or creep back in the same category. Creepy to say the least.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:56pmThe phone companies still collects taxes for the Spanish-American War for the USgov.
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:24pmThey should eliminate that tax with the same bill that would eliminate spending tax monies on programs that are targeted at assisting selected races. Obama calls for shared sacrifice, then do away with that raciest policy, “Affirmative Action”.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:43pmThe long-serving black legislator probably thinks the Civil War was about slavery. I wonder if he was the one who directed some of the money to welfare.
Report Post »unsalvageable.org
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:57pmThey should eliminate a lot of taxes, but never will. They need to continue to increase their income so that that they can continue to build their “entitlement” voter base. However, the progressives are incredibly short sighted. Once the takers outnumber the givers, there is no more money to be had.
History has proven this to be true, and we are on the fast track to becoming nothing but a “blip” in a history book.
Through all of the bashing, does anyone know which of the last 5 presidents (Reagen, Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2, and Obama) spent the highest percentage of GDP? Alright, thats a no brainer, it’s Obama. How about who spent the least? Bush #2…Thats right, the one that so many bash for his spending habits. Check it for yourself at http://www.unsalvageable.org
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:21pmLet This Be A Warning To Us All…TAXES NEVER EVER GO AWAY.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:30pmHeck here in Pa we are still paying a tax enacted to help the residents of Johnstown rebuild after the great flood. And that happened even before their were Progressives. Once enacted these darn things live FOREVER!!! Anybody ever hear of the Rural Electrification Agency??….Just sayin’
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:30pmExactly!
TEA!
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 10:16pmOnce a politician gets his hands on a dollar from any tax he will spend it and perpetuate the levy.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:12pmTo stop funding, for simply historical reasons, would be moronic. In this case a state is taking care of it.
Report Post »So the losers of the war get no funding, yet the Federal government maintains the old historic buildings,
old medical hospital buildings, rest home and cemetery of the Civil War Veterans at Woods, WI? (Milwaukee, next to Miller Park)
C. Schwehr
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:20pmExactly…and how many millions go to the preservation of UNION tributes to the war that Lincoln started???
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:00pmAccording to the CDC 4000 abortions are performed every day in this country. UNICEF statistics show that 22,000 living children die every day. Without making judgments I’m simply wondering where our focus should be.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:10pmOBVIOUSLY, this is not the post to which I replied. What a great forum we have here. My apologies for the shortcomings of Blaze technology!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:08pmThey’re saving up for the next go round.
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:05pmOnce a tax passes, it’s next to impossible to be removed. I still remember the Spanish American War tax that’s been placed on the Telephone Bill. lol
:)
Report Post »BIBLETHUMPER
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:04pmChristians: Get out of politics and instead convert people. Political activism is hurting the cause of Christ.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:31pmWhen Christians get out of politics, we will quickly lose the right to follow Christ.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:33pmWhat does your post have to do with the confederate tax? Stick to the story.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:09pmHow could anyone ever take away your right to follow Christ?
Report Post »ThisIndividual
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:16pmNo Gonzo, this pagan will have your back buddy.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:18pmNo what hurts the cause of Christ are when Christians stop getting involved. Just look at the holocaust of unborn babies every year. Look at the state SF is in. I could go on take a glace around you and you see a nation falling apart because Christians listened to that kind of talk and now we have murder instead of prayer in our schools.
Report Post »Atheists get out of politics you are hurting the cause of anti god!
LadyIzShy
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:48amim willing to bet this happens more places than just AL and NOBODY says a thing as the government STEALS our money
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:00pmYep. Fact of the matter is, very few people are truly anti-big government. Most, including a lot here and on other right/libertarian sites (I myself am a libertarian, btw) are anti-big-government *for agendas they don’t like* but are quite happy to participate in big government if it benefits them. Think “medicare” or “social security” for example, and bring up those issues as legitimate targets for cuts, to some elderly “small government” type, and watch how fast he/she turns into a wild eyed Lenin supporter.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:17pmWhere have you been Ghost? Missed your insight.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:21pmBeen out and about Gonzo, enjoying life, thanks for noticing my absence! :)
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:32pmDon’t be a stranger, we need all the intelligent conservative/libertarian voices we can get.
Report Post »Drivenbylogic
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:48amThe aniti-white rhetoric gets votes…and tithes in the church. The message obviously resonates or they wouldn’t peddle this race baiting would they? Imagine how villified and marginalized the person would be if the roles were reversed…says a lot about WHO are the racists no??
Report Post »American1112
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:39amAlvin Holmes is nothing more than a long time white hater and race baiter. As a kid growing up in Montgomery, I viewed first hand his antics and put him in the same class as Obama’s pastor. He and his buddy Joe Reed are nothing more than political opportunists and the fact they hate white people so much plays well to their constituents.
Report Post »Minnaloushe
Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:46amAlvin Holmes is truly vile.
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