Flyer Found at Occupy Phoenix Ponders: ‘When Should You Shoot A Cop?’
- Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:35am by
Mike Opelka
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A disturbing flyer is making its way around the Occupy Phoenix camp. And it’s targeting cops.
Yesterday, the Arizona Counter-Terrorism Information Center (ACTIC — a division of the Arizona Dept. of Public Safety) released a bulletin announcing the chilling document that seems to endorse and justify the killing of law enforcement officers.
Copies of the “informational” letter were apparently left on a table with other documents to “educate” protesters at Occupy Phoenix. A bulletin from the ACTIC notifies officers of the document, but says that no credible threats against law enforcement official have been uncovered (yet its investigation continues).
“The next time you hear of a police officer being killed “’in the line of duty,’ take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the ‘law enforcer’ was the bad guy and the ‘cop killer’ was the good guy,” the document concludes. “As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.”
We are posting the entire text of this document, without edit or comment.
When Should You Shoot A Cop?
That question, even without an answer, makes most “law-abiding taxpayers” go into knee-jerk conniptions. The indoctrinated masses all race to see who can be first, and loudest to proclaim that it is NEVER okay to forcibly resist “law enforcement.” In doing so, they also inadvertently demonstrate why so much of human history has been plagued by tyranny and oppression.
In an ideal world, cops would do nothing except protect people from thieves and attackers, in which case shooting a cop would never be justified. In the real world, however, far more injustice, violence, torture, theft, and outright murder has been committed IN THE NAME of “law enforcement,” than has been committed in spite of it. To get a little perspective, try watching a documentary or two about some of the atrocities committed by the regimes of Stalin, or Lenin, or Chaiman Mao, or Hitler, or Pol Pot, or any number of other tyrants in history. Pause the film when the jackboots are about to herd innocent people into cattle cars, or gun them down as they stand on the edge of a ditch, and THEN ask yourself the question, “When should you shoot a cop?” Keep in mind, the evils of those regimes were committed in the name of “law enforcement.” And as much as the statement may make people cringe, the history of the human race would have been a lot LESS gruesome if there had been a lot MORE “cop-killers” around to deal with the state mercenaries of those regimes.
People don’t mind when you point out the tyranny that has happened in other countries, but most have a hard time viewing their OWN “country”, their OWN “government”, and their OWN “law enforcers”, in any sort of objective way. Having been trained to feel a blind loyalty to the ruling class of the particular piece of dirt they live on (a.k.a. “patriotism”), and having been trained to believe that obedience is a virtue, the idea of forcibly resisting “law enforcement” is simply unthinkable to many. Literally, they can’t even THINK about it. And humanity has suffered horribly because of it. It is a testament to the effectiveness of authoritarian indoctrination that literally billions of people throughout history have begged and screamed and cried in the face of authoritarian injustice and oppression, but only a tiny fraction have ever lifted a finger to actually try to STOP it.
Even when people can recognize tyranny and oppression, they still usually talk about “working within the system”-the same system that is responsible for the tyranny and oppression. People want to believe that “the system” will, sooner or later, provide justice. The last thing they want to consider is that they should “illegally” resist-that if they want to achieve justice, they must become “criminals” and “terrorists,” which is what anyone who resists “legal” justice is automatically labeled. But history shows all too well that those who fight for freedom and justice almost always do so “illegally” – i.e., without the permission of the ruling class.
If politician think that they have the right to impose any “law” they want, and cops have the attitude that, as long as it’s called “law”, they will enforce it, what is there to prevent complete tyranny? Not the consciences of the “law-makers” or their hired thugs, obviously. And not any election or petition to the politicians. When tyrants define what counts as “law”, then by definition it is up to the “law-breakers” to combat tyranny.
Pick any example of abuse of power, whether it is the fascist “war on drugs,” the police thuggery that has become so common, the random stops and searches now routinely carried out in the name of “security” (e.g., at airports, “border checkpoints” that aren’t even at the border, “sobriety checkpoints,” and so on), or anything else. Now ask yourself the uncomfortable question: If it’s wrong for cops to do these things, doesn’t that imply that the people have a right to RESIST such actions? Of course, state mercenaries don’t take kindly to being resisted, even non-violently. If you question their right to detain you, interrogate you, search you, invade your home, and so on, you are very likely to be tasered, physically assaulted, kidnapped, put in a cage, or shot. If a cop decides to treat you like livestock, whether he does it “legally” or not, you will usually have only two options: submit, or kill the cop. You can’t resist a cop “just a little” and get away with it. He will always call in more of his fellow gang members, until you are subdued or dead.Basic logic dictates that you either have an obligation to LET “law enforcers” have their way with you, or you have the right to STOP them from doing so, which will almost always require killing them. (Politely asking fascists to not be fascists has a very poor track record.) Consider the recent Indiana Supreme Court ruling, which declared that if a cop tries to ILLEGALLY enter your home, it’s against the law for you to do anything to stop him. Aside from the patent absurdity of it, since it amounts to giving thugs with badges PERMISSION to “break the law,” and makes it a CRIME for you to defend yourself against a CRIMINAL (if he has a badge), consider the logical ramifications of that attitude.
There were once some words written on a piece of parchment (with those words now known as the Fourth Amendment), that said that you have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures at the hands of “government” agents. In Indiana today, what could that possibly mean? The messages from the ruling class is quite clear, and utterly insane. It amounts to this: “We don’t have the right to invade your home without probable cause … but if we DO, you have no right to stop us, and we have the right to arrest you if you try.”
Why not apply that to the rest of the Bill of Rights, while we’re at it? “You have the right to say what you want, but if we use violence to shut you up, you have to let us.” (I can personally attest to the fact that that is the attitude of the U.S. “Department of Justice.”) “You have the right to have guns, but if we try to forcibly and illegally disarm you, and you resist, we have the right to kill you.” (Ask Randy Weaver and the Branch Dividians about that one.) “You have the right to not testify against yourself, but when we coerce you into confessing (and call it a ‘plea agreement’), you can’t do a thing about it.” What good is a “right” –what does the term “right” even mean- if you have an obligation to allow the jackboots to violate your so-called “rights”? It make the term absolutely meaningless.
To be blunt, if you have the right to do “A,” it means that if someone tries to STOP you from doing “A” –even if he has a badge and a politician’s scribble (“law”) on his side – you have the right to use whatever amount of force is necessary to resist that person. That’s what it means to have an unalienable right. If you have the unalienable right to speak you mind (a la the First Amendment), then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to shut you up. If you have the unalienable right to be armed, then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to disarm you. If you have the right to not be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures, then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to inflict those on you.
Those who are proud to be “law-abiding” don’t like to hear this, and don’t like to think about this, but what’s the alternative? If you do NOT have the right to forcibly resist injustice – even if the injustice is called the “law” – that logically implies that you have an obligation to allow “government” agents to do absolutely anything they want to you, your home, your family, and so on. Really, there are only two choices: you are a slave, the property of
the politicians, without any rights at all, or you have the right to violently resist “government” attempts to oppress you. There can be no other option.
Of course, on a practical level, openly resisting the gang called “government” is usually very hazardous to one’s health. But there is a big difference between obeying for the sake of self-preservation, which is often necessary and rational, and feeling a moral obligation to go along with whatever the ruling class wants to do to you, which is pathetic and insane. Most of the incomprehensible atrocities that have occurred throughout history were due in large part to the fact that most people answer “never” to the question of “When should you shoot a cop?” The correct answer is: When evil is “legal,” become a criminal. When oppression is enacted as “law,” become a “law- breaker.” When those violently victimizing the innocent have badges, become a cop-killer.
The next time you hear of a police officer being killed “in the line of duty,” take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy. As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.
The Blaze contacted News Talk AM 1130 in Minneapolis, which posted the documents Friday. According to the station, it received them from a law enforcement officer in Arizona.
The Blaze also reached out to the Arizona Dept. of Public Safety as well as ACTIC and they have confirmed the memo.
(H/T: David & Emmer at News-Talk AM 1130 in Minnesota’s Twin Cities)
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ilovetheusa1
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:02pmTidwell swallows
Report Post »bassist237
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:01pmI was going to dig in, but I just can’t, you are to far gone. You want to live like you would live in the middle east just keep going down this path. You will provoke lethal force, then claim it wasn’t your fault, then gain up with your rebels and kill anyone who opposes you.. I don’t know who is worse, the rebel, or the dictator. It’s like the chicken before the egg. It is an endless Circle, and America used to be a fresh break from that viciousness, we are just on a fast track back to the stone ages.
Report Post »TPartyXpress
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:46pmGo back to your cave full of LSD.
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 4:58pmI’m with you bassist237….no need to dig in on this topic as if we all did not know full well that there are some rotten cops…but there are some mighty fine ones too….you will find that most folks of any stripe who have such invective and utter disdain for police authority have found themselves at some point in the past on the wrong end of a bad scene. In any case the only thing that separates tribalism and other social mechanisms is the fact that in order to preserve the rule of law….there has to be a police force to do that. The cops don’t like the right for us to bear arms because it makes them think twice before they do what they believe to be an enforcement action…and that is just too bad for the cops..they will have to get over that and think their way through their work instead of “forcing” their will upon the citizens in their jurisdiction. I do find it odd that this anti-authority missive comes out a day or so after the big broo-ha-ha over the use of infrared imaging that exposed a great portion of the OWS tents to be literally empty at night….we’ll see this weekend if this is their so-called “Valley Forge” moment….if the tents are empty during relatively warm autumn nights…..it will be a pure hoot to see how all the little mini George Washingtons fare during this weekends wintry mix..the reality of course is that Washington really did suffer and endure the freezing cold and these wanna bees will simply go home if the going gets rough. Sissys.
Report Post »ThePatriot88
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:00pm… Wow… the audacity. The next time this person gets mugged, I hope nobody comes to his aid. I hope when he gets stabbed, the 911 operator doesn’t pick up.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:18pmAccording to Biden, that WILL happen if Republicans don‘t pass Obama’s new stimulus package! LOL
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 3:28pmIn some cities this would be normal, how would any one know the difference?
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:01pm@Gonzo
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:18pm
According to Biden, that WILL happen if Republicans don‘t pass Obama’s new stimulus package! LOL
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Makes one wonder if Biden wasn’t giving a “Shout Out” to the union thugs in his audience to “bring it on” if the repub‘s won’t buckle?
Listening to his speech I’m compelled to wonder, “How does he know what it’s like to have a 200 lb man telling him to submit or else?” HOW MUCH DID RAHMBO WAY WHEN HE HAUNTED THE CONGRESSIONAL LOCKER ROOM AND WAS SOMEONE SNEAKING HIM INTO THE SENATE ONES TOO????
Mil Mom
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:10pm@gonzo
Report Post »re : How much did Rhambo way?
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Sorry, I mean weigh???
think4myself
Posted on November 2, 2011 at 11:36amthey actually hope for that too; then they can sue. Some people just aren’t happy unless they have something to complain about.
Report Post »lastoftheamericans
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:59amThe author is insane to think: you have the unalienable right to speak you mind (a la the First Amendment), then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to shut you up. WOW death to anyone who disagrees with you too?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:54pmYour comment is insane, because it is illogical even within itself. In your scenario, the person is not killing someone who disagrees with him. He is killing someone who is violently trying to suppress his right to speak.
Pay attention to the actual argument. It isn’t as cut and dried. The real question is, what price are you willing to pay to defend your liberty? Are there limits to your resistance to tyranny?
These are not easy questions, because, as lovers of law and order we understand the value of law enforcement and the sacrifices police officers make on our behalf, and we know the dangers of anrachy in the guise of liberty. But we also know, as lovers of liberty, which our forefathers won by violent resistance to the “legal” enforcers of Britain’s rule, that tyranny is strengthened by an automatice deference to the authority of the State and by subservience to its officers.
It is better that a government fears its people than that a people fear its goverment. But how do we ensure the former when the government provokes the issue? Not any easy question.
To say that it is permissible to shoot a cop whenever he threatens your liberty is to invite anarchy. But to say that it is NEVER permissable no matter how unjust or oppressive his action is to abandon the foundation of liberty. The answer lies somewhere in the balance.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:23pm@lastoftheamericans
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:59am
The author is insane to think: you have the unalienable right to speak you mind (a la the First Amendment), then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to shut you up. WOW death to anyone who disagrees with you too?
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Sounds like the “Critical Thinking: taught in today’s classrooms.
MARCH4HIM
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:58amYEA… and Hitler was misunderstood and he had to kill the bad .. JEW …
Because ,throughout HUMAN HISTORY ….THEY… were the bad guys…
MAN ..I wish I could get ahold of these history books,
Report Post »that all these protesters ..learned from…
I have it all backwards.
Founding Father2
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:03pmSpeaking of Hitler, have you seen the video where the Socialists are telling the Occupiers not to be trapped and directed by the Democrat party: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/socialist_ows_moveon.html
Supposedly they are trying to form their own 3rd Party. This will hopefully take Obama out of the running, if they do it? They will probably join with the Green Party, etc.
Report Post »ejbonk
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:58amThis is twisted,sick,Immoral and ILLEGAL. These people are a Danger to you and the nation as a whole.
Report Post »west1890
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:07pmInteresting that neither the Arizona Republic nor the Arizona Daily Star have chosen to report on the uniformed Neo Nazi group parading around at the Occupy site in Phoenix carrying AR 15″s in support of the Occupy protestors. And we wonder why America is not storming Washington demanding Obama be removed. Maybe it‘s because the so called ’mainstream media’ is just as corrupt as the Obama administration.
Report Post »ABT123
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:41pmYou are correct, and Glenn was correct yesterday when he called them traitors, from the President on down. Why doesn’t the news media publish this as what it is, inciting riot, if not outright law-breaking.
Report Post »steveh931
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:06pmWEST1890,
I’m sure the Police Officers would prefer for them not to have weapons, but since they do, what a better place for them to be.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 3:27pmejbonk: Whoever wrote the flyer should be arrested for sedition – incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority; and for promoting rebellion among the Occupy Wall St. bumpkins.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 5:42pmThat is true. They are a danger. But who do you think facilitated the downfall of America? It is the law enforcement officers that have morphed into a force that protects the criminals to the detriment of the ordinary folks. If a regular Joe decided to take out the trash, the cops come down on him like a ton of bricks. The cops are the ones that are responsible for all of the illegal drugs, crime and corruption because they prevent the people from cleaning it up. They think that if the citizens clean up the mess then they would be out of a job and pension, so they squash any attempts by the people to do it themselves. But you know what? Their kids are going to have to live in this mess right along-side of my kids.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:38pm@ABT123
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:41pm
You are correct, and Glenn was correct yesterday when he called them traitors, from the President on down. Why doesn’t the news media publish this as what it is, inciting riot, if not outright law-breaking
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Because if they did, the laws passed in the 70′s would bring about early arrests and convictions, and they’d have to cover Solyndra, Fast & Furious, and now the administration guy using the legal system to illegally search for ways to tar Rick Perry and the fact he’s an islamophobe. (or even that they accepted the stories but couldn’t find enough to run with them.)
Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:00am@Mil-Dot
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 5:42pm
That is true. They are a danger. But who do you think facilitated the downfall of America? It is the law enforcement officers that have morphed into a force that protects the criminals to the detriment of the ordinary folks. If a regular Joe decided to take out the trash, the cops come down on him like a ton of bricks. The cops are the ones that are responsible for all of the illegal drugs, crime and corruption because they prevent the people from cleaning it up. They think that if the citizens clean up the mess then they would be out of a job and pension, so they squash any attempts by the people to do it themselves. But you know what? Their kids are going to have to live in this mess right along-side of my kids
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In my 60+ years of life, I‘ve had a chance to know lot’s of cops from all over. Most of them are as frustrated with the “system” as you or I. They lock somebody up for commiting a crime, and often they‘re back on the street before the officer’s through with his report. Unfortuantely it‘s elected officials who’ve made it so the criminal has more rights than the common man/woman. Most became law enforcement so that they could make the country safe for those they love. Then modern reality hits, they just don’t have a lot more ability to change it than we do.
momrules
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:58amIt sounds like they are “justifying” what they want to happen.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 3:36pmmomrules: They want chaos, lawlessness, and revolution. It’s going to get nasty during this pre-election period. Progressives will not give up power willingly. They are ramping up for a huge power grab.
Report Post »donotdrinkthekoolade
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 5:29pmAbsolutely. That is exactly the point. They are setting the stage for impending violence. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment. Patriots, keep your “muskets” clean and your “powder” dry.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 6:24pmwhat he is talking about is protecting your rights. Citing the 2nd amendment is pointless unless you agree with him on the defense of that right. When the government, aka “law enforcement” comes to take your guns what are you going to do? Give them to them? Most likely you will, and then you will be doomed liked the rest of the sheep. It is too bad so many of you can’t get past the offensive title and dig out the main point.
Report Post »Valezka.Vidra
Posted on November 1, 2011 at 5:18pmHidden_lion:
The B.S. this hippie has distributed ain’t nothing but a persuasion essay.
Report Post »TxMadMac
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:58amWhat if they changed the article’s heading to a liberal progressive communist democrat politician ? Would that not be just as offensive ? You can’t condone either ! These folks are just pure O D nuts !
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:57amWhatever you do, DONT be like these OWS protestors in any way. Be the opposite in every way.
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:27pmAgreed 100%
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:57amsheeple?
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 12:46am“Sheeple” : those who have their heads in the sand, believe everything the dotgov says and are doing nothing to protect themselves in event of a calamitous event such as hurricane, tornado, flood, EMP, or government collapse. AKA ‘obamanoid’. Usually a democrat or liberal who poo-poos everything Constitutional and especially has no use for the Second Amendment because ‘the cops will protect me’ attitude.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:57amReading this is scary. Partly beause it gives permission to kill a police officer. Partially, because I have read similar comments from folks on the Blaze. I have even written that I will not let my guns be taken from me and that I will use force in protecting the Constitution.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:22pmScary indeed. The main purpose of this “instruction sheet” seems to be an attempt to blur the lines between police doing their normal jobs and police running riot against American citizens.
Police enforcing laws against unlawful occupation, vandalism, mob rioting etc is vastly different than police kicking in the door of your house just because they can or shooting you for free speech & peaceful demonstration.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:23pmState and local Law enforcement are only cracking down when obvious city ordinances and laws are being broken. As much as OWS/NWO would like to paint the police as jackbooted thugs, the truth is there just attempting to uphold local law.
From talking with many of my LEO friends about 5% would be willing to discard the 2nd AMd and attempt to collect the arms of law abiding people, that would be the case were LEO’s break the law and deserve what they get.
Report Post »ReddirtOkie
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:21pmWe veterans did not serve this country for the anarchist crap this idiot is preaching. Our system of government is the best in the world. Sure there has been police action and court decesions that I have not agreed with but that does not mean that I have the right to go out and kill a law officer because I do. The person sounds like a 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum and wants to shout out back to the laws of our land the cry of Achmed the Dead Terriorist – Shut Up! I kill you.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 3:35pmIt doesn’t give permission.Its a statement.Look you have crooked cops galore.Take a good look at the headlines in the last few months.This manifesto isn’t meant for decent cops.Its meant as a jab to crooked ones.By the way its the crooked ones who give the decent ones a bad name.Furthermore it can get them killed.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 6:27pm“From talking with many of my LEO friends about 5% would be willing to discard the 2nd AMd and attempt to collect the arms of law abiding people”
Ask them about Katrina, where the LE and National guard did just that. How many people have been killed in there homes by violent LE serving a search warrant? Most of them will shoot first and feel bad later. It happens too often to be ignored.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 9:55pm@Dismayed Veteran
Report Post »You do know that The Blaze has no control over who sets up an account, signs in and posts their opinions? The progressive left is paying people to do exactly that. Set up an account, sign in, pretend to be Glenn Beck and/or Tea Party followers and post racist slurs and non-sense. Just read the posts of JZS (JeZuS) to get a clue who these radicals are. It’s not that hard to spot the difference between the posers and the real GB and/or Tea Party folks.
Mil Mom
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:29pm@hidden_lion
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 6:27pm
“From talking with many of my LEO friends about 5% would be willing to discard the 2nd AMd and attempt to collect the arms of law abiding people”
Ask them about Katrina, where the LE and National guard did just that. How many people have been killed in there homes by violent LE serving a search warrant? Most of them will shoot first and feel bad later. It happens too often to be ignored.
Report Post »***
Be wary, your camo is for desert, and your standing in the middle of a snowstorm! There are too many veterans on this site for your little charade to work!!
DOES MEDIA MATTERS BUY IN BULK, TO GET YOU TROLLS ON STORIES LIKE THIS ONE?
Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:23am@Dismayed Veteran
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:57am
Reading this is scary. Partly beause it gives permission to kill a police officer. Partially, because I have read similar comments from folks on the Blaze. I have even written that I will not let my guns be taken from me and that I will use force in protecting the Constitution.
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‘If it had not been The Lord WHO WAS ON OUR SIDE! When men rose up against us: Then they had swallowed us up quick, when their wrath was kindled against us: …”(Psalm 124 vss 2 &3) “Blessed be The Lord, who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth
” Our soul is escaped as a bird out OF THE SNARE OF THE FOWLERS!! The snare is broken and we are escaped. Our help IS IN THE NAME OF THE LORD Who made Heaven and Earth.”(vss 6-8)
AT THIS TIME, SNARES ARE BEING SET EVERYWHERE FOR OUR SOULS. Have you made Him Your shelter?
Valezka.Vidra
Posted on November 1, 2011 at 5:25pmIt seems like Hippie the Great who penned this trash is trying to make the common hippies paranoid. Next time a cop kills someone think to yourself: “is the cop the bad guy in this instance? I mean, Hitler was a bad guy, so why not?!”?? –It’s almost more retarded that other OWS dorks took this crap seriously than that one woman on that one wife swap episode who took the zombie survival guide seriously.
Report Post »dscheerer
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:55amThe dopes have guns???
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:23pmThey will be given whatever is “necessary” to create chaos. It is necessary for the ultimate goal .. to take down the government and set up a dicatorship for Obama. Usefull idiots they are being used by the very people who are causing what they say they are against. The rich puppet masters.
Report Post »Conkuur
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:24pmWell yeah, they just don’t want conservatives to have them because they shoot better.
Report Post »wbedding
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:23pmHolder will make sure of it in a fast and furious manner…
Report Post »AnAmerican111
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:52amCan the police please just get rid of the garbage that is the pathetic “Occupiers”.
Report Post »Wake up America!
Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:31am@AnAmerican111
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:52am
Can the police please just get rid of the garbage that is the pathetic “Occupiers”.
Wake up America!
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Notice in the picture, how many of the police are the same age as the occupants, or even younger? A quick picture of WHY they hate the police. (They actually went out and got jobs!!! )
SamIamTwo
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:52amAnd this is what they want, violence in the streets…here we go again…this push is getting stronger as we get to the end of their so called grass roots protest, eh? The leaders have a game plan and a bullet point paper to outline the milestones they plan to carry out…anyone capture a copy of it yet?
Report Post »marvlus
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:50amWhen should you shoot a cop-shooter?
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:56amIn an ideal world we would only have ELECTED Sheriffs and their deputies. Easy to clean house when you have corruption. The people clean it rather than buddies wearing badges who need lots of cops to pay their pensions. Police states never work, are corrupt and unconstitutional.
Calm down blazers and read about permanent standing armies in the constitution. I’m not “left”, I’m just more “right” than you. “Right” back to the constitution. You want a permanent standing army? Amend the constitution. Then it would be legal.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:20pm@Dtom
Despite our rather stuttering introduction a while back, I have to say, you and I seem to be playing on the same team far more often than not. Well said.
Report Post »plastinoid
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:26pmInstantly!…………… and without Hesitation!
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:54pm@DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Report Post »Finally, someone has it right. I agree with you, and am very disturbed by so called conservatives thinking that the police force is on their side. It historically is not true. As I have said many times, when they come for your gun, or to enforce a new rule or law that takes away your basic freedoms; it will be through a police officer.
If you ever have to defend this country from behind a barricade or patio wall at your home, it will be from a police officer.
One of the largest unions in America is the Police unions.
USACommoner
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:28pmMCPAPPY: You may be right about the biggest union, but not all police forces are unionized, believe it or not. If you think about it, there are SO MANY LAWS on our books now, it’s impossible for each police officer to enforce them all. Some of these guys and gals are very intelligent and street savvy; they are able to use their own judgments. They also don’t have supervisors following them around, making sure they stop or ticket people for every single little infraction. I’m sure some of these folks would be able to tell an important law from a not-so-important one and enforce accordingly. IF ya know what I‘m sayin’…
When the SHTF, the police will be defending themselves against these people, too. Safety in numbers is a pretty good rule of thumb.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:48pm@Ghost and @Mac
Thanks guys, you made my day. I usually catch so much cr*p on here due to my views on cops. The cop sycophants never want to look at the constitution, they just want to call me lefty and many other vile things. The thing is, I can’t stand the left! The detractors will not hear it. They have been taught that if you have a problem with cops then your are some leftist, hippy, commie or a Ron Paul nut job. All the nice things they hear on a certain person’s radio and internet TV show.
Anyway, thanks again for the silver lining today!
And Ghost, it probably won’t be the last time I rub you the wrong way… just ask my wife, lol.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 4:53pm@USACommoner
Report Post »Agreed, when the time comes, if the time comes, many a law officer will remember the oath they took to pin that badge on. I live in a very close community on a peninsula in south Texas, we know all the county Sheriffs’ deputies, and Constables. There is an unspoken agreement among the working citizens and the law officers here….If you don’t speed, drink and drive, or otherwise cause danger to yourself or others, the officers will not pull you over, and ticket you for minor registration, and insurance infractions. However, that kind of familiarity is only for small communities, and it is the large cities that will go the real ordeals.
Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:41am@USACommoner
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:28pm
MCPAPPY: You may be right about the biggest union, but not all police forces are unionized, believe it or not. If you think about it, there are SO MANY LAWS on our books now, it’s impossible for each police officer to enforce them all. Some of these guys and gals are very intelligent and street savvy; they are able to use their own judgments. They also don’t have supervisors following them around, making sure they stop or ticket people for every single little infraction. I’m sure some of these folks would be able to tell an important law from a not-so-important one and enforce accordingly. IF ya know what I‘m sayin’…
When the SHTF, the police will be defending themselves against these people, too. Safety in numbers is a pretty good rule of thumb.
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Did you ever hear of “OATHKEEPERS” do a web search, Blaze had several articles on them in the last year.
DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 7:28am@Mil
Report Post »I have heard of them. The cops are really funny. If they really wanted to keep an oath to the constitution, they would resign.
AlansTigg
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:50amI feel much more stupider for having read that….and can someone explain why government is always in quotes?
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:02pmBecause the Occupy Movement is an Anarchist attempt to overthrow all “Governments”.
Report Post »csbulldog
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:02pmObama must now realize that it might not be a good thing to throw his support their way. After him going on about his report of OWS, this morning on the news they said “Obama has ”tolerated” OWS. That’s a big change, now that word is getting out how anti-American, racist, violent and anti-capitalist these useful idiots are.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 3:43pmBecause it isn’t government. If you ever read the Constitution, you will see that, We, the people, are the government. The pretend ‘government’ in DC is like the Turd: Usurpers.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:49am@JohnnyMidknight
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:02pm
Because the Occupy Movement is an Anarchist attempt to overthrow all “Governments”.
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AND IT’S SURE NOT WORKING OUT WELL IN NY!!! Who‘d have thought they’d have to deal with the homeless, thieves, [someone who didn't want to have sex with everyone] and having to put their money in a (gasp! Horrors! Oh, my goodness!) Bank!!!!
I.Gaspar
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:48amStill want to encourage these animals mr. Ozero? How about you Nancy?? Barney??and the rest of the leftists in gov’t????
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:53amYes they do. Do you honestly think Obama disagrees with this? I don’t.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:57amOf course they do, it’s their constituency!
Report Post »Caerus
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:48am“If you have the unalienable right to speak you mind (a la the First Amendment), then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to shut you up.”
Wow. Just wow.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:51amGod help the officers and pray for their safety. These people are just insane and obviously dangerous. in other news I thought the lefties hated guns? I am now officially confused. rolls eyes
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:53amanarchists…suck.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:25pm@samiam
No, not all of them. Just the left wing violent ones. The “right wing” anarchists, which you don’t read about much any longer, were criticized by the left wint anarchists at the turn of the 19th century for being too peaceful and for being unwilling to use violence against their fellow man. The descendents of the 19th century right wing anarchists are around even today, we call them the Amish, for example, and there are contingents of RWA’s in libertarian circles. And just like they said in the 19th century, these folks are literally pacifists.
The left wing bomb throwing type became the only recognized “anarchists” by the mainstream when they started bombing buildings. Folks forgot that the right wing variety ever existed.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:47am“the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy. As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.”
Report Post »Maybe in human history but, not in American history. As much as your kind detests the thought, we are an exceptional nation with exceptional people. Our law enforcement people are exceptional as well.
Islesfordian
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:53pmYou put your finger on the crucial point. What is exceptional about our country is that we believe that liberty belongs to every man and that the police are OUR servants rather than government’s.
But what happens when our government stops believeing that exceptional truth and starts to act as if the police are there to enforce ITS rule rather than OURS? What happens when the police begin to see that as their role too because they have become further and further detached from the people they are meant to serve?
The ruling in Indiana is a clear repudiation of a free man’s basic liberty and slavery to the state. I do not think we should ever accept that the police are NEVER to be resisted. Remember how they confiscate people’s guns in New Orleans after Katrina. Should police be allowed to think lawful citizens will just submit to that? No. They should rightfully fear that they might be killed as a threat to American life and liberty.
Report Post »LarkenRose
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:13pmHow about the “law enforcers” who enforced slavery in THIS country? They were the good guys, and shouldn’t have been resisted? The “law enforcers” who forcibly evicted, and sometimes murdered, the people who were living here before Europeans showed up? They were the good guys, and shouldn’t have been resisted? The “law enforcers” who locked people up (or shot them) for distilling their own whiskey, or smoking a joint, or being Japanese during WWII? The “law enforcers” who locked people up for not going to Vietnam to kill strangers when politicians told them to? Are these examples of how superior and moral “our” “government,” and its mercenaries, are? If there is, or ever was, anything special about this country, it is the realization that human rights OUTRANK any man-made “authority” (a la the Declaration of Independence). Unfortunately, “government” here–just like everywhere else–has been one long list of example of that idea being assaulted and crushed. And when someone mentions the idea now–as I did in my article, “When Should You Shoot a Cop?”–look how most people (including you) respond.
Report Post »pitboss711
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:46amAn old Chinese proverb that OWS protesters need to keep in mind….”Don’t start no s— and there will be no s—!”
Report Post »mficentral
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:54pmPITBOSS711, that is the most profound “saying” I have ever heard, in fact I used it daily raising my 5 sons.
Report Post »762x51
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 1:48pmPitBoss – I thought that was Will Smith in Men in Black – “Don‘t start nothin’, won‘t be nothin’”.
He also said “You need to ease up out my face before somethin’ bad happen to you”. OWS should keep that in mind as well.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 6:17pmWise words Pitboss, but somehow I don’t think these fools understand, they are picking a fight with trained and armed professionals. They want to start a war that they are totally unprepared for, I can only imagine how many would soil themselves at the first sound of gunfire.
To all the would be anarchists out there, remember, machine-guns beat molotov’s any day of the week
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:44amWas the flyer authored by JZS or ROSE-ELLEN?
Report Post »drago
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:58amNah, it was encinom!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:09pmI think ROSE-ELLEN detonated her vest, haven’t had the displeasure of reading her demented thoughts lately.
Report Post »Banter
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:59pm@Gonzo
Report Post »Well, she finally showed up yesterday in the released terrorist story. So, she must be similarly incompetent in lighting the fuze like the Times Square bomber and the underwear bomber.
jzs
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:29pmI didn’t authorize it, I wrote it. Actually I plagiarized it from comments I’ve read here about the government and guns.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:58am@jzs
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:29pm
I didn’t authorize it, I wrote it. Actually I plagiarized it from comments I’ve read here about the government and guns
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And he gives up the “Right to remain silent” ( I KNEW HE COULDN’T GO THE WHOLE PAGE WITH OUT GETTING CREDIT FOR HIS WORK!!!)
eddvoss
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:43amThat is one of the tactics the Left uses most often. Cloud the line between good and evil. Take what is abhorrent and make it sound like something noble.
Report Post »bboatmanable
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:51amAnd notice also that they completely fail to mention that they OWS movement is attempting to turn THIS country into one EXACTLY like those that they mentioned as being the “bad guys.” WTF!!!
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:59amGreat point. The line between good and evil is so foggy for the youth of today. Everything can be excused away as a syndrome or disorder. Personal accountability has taken a back seat to pc.
Report Post »Amy
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:45pmThe best lie always has some truth mixed in with it…
Report Post »Atlanticgrl
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 4:21pmYes, and the lemmings are no longer taught to think for themselves, to evaluate. They take what liberal food they are fed and swallow it right up. Never asking questions.
Report Post »Many of them don’t even understand (thanks to public schools) what this country was actually founded on, WHY we had the revolution, WHAT we were fighting for…and AGAINST. Our forefarthers fought against the very thing these wingnuts are asking for.
Valezka.Vidra
Posted on November 1, 2011 at 5:46pmJL, in a lot of what I’ve observed from people around me, the true bad guys are white people, so I’ve heard a lot of publicly accepted anti-white rhetoric. So, so sad.
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Report Post »randy
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:43amI have a different take:
‘WHEN SHOULD YOU SHOOT A OWS Protester?
Report Post »Voteman
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:50amWhen they try to occupy your house car or personal space……
Report Post »D. Dada Miller
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:40pm@voteman agree. My model has always been Mel Gibson in “The Patriot.” I never wanted this fight unless they take it across my front lawn.
Report Post »drago
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:40amMy question is not when to shoot the cops, but when is open season going to be declared on OWS protesters………
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:12pmThe same day that open season is declared on the tea party.
Report Post »Tretka
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 9:22pmThey will eat each other…in the meantime we will be doing something worthy such as paying attention to truth. We have a country to support and the truth to follow.
Half those people have no clue what they are doing and the situation will turn on them. History guarantees it.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:03am@Oldphoto678
Report Post »Posted on October 28, 2011 at 2:12pm
The same day that open season is declared on the tea party
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And the master plan; “coming soon to a city near you! ”
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON AMERICA?
CottonMPG
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 11:40amI’m surprised……..that this hasn’t happened sooner!!!!
Report Post »lynda1276
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:34pmmy exact thoughts..
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