‘American Bible Challenge’ Debuts as GSN’s No. 1 Show of All Time
- Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:31pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Last week, TheBlaze gave you a behind-the-scenes look at Jeff Foxworthy’s “American Bible Challenge” television show on GSN (formerly Game Show Network).
On Thursday, the much-anticipated program premiered — and with great fanfare. While there was initial speculation surrounding whether “American Bible Challenge” would be a major success or a monumental failure, the network said on Friday that the show debuted as GSN’s number one program of all time.
GSN announced in a press release that the premiere episode of “American Bible Challenge” brought in 2.3 million total viewers for the night — the largest in its 17-year history. The show was so popular that it outperformed GSN’s previous record holder by over a half a million viewers.
America, a heavily-Christian nation, is clearly friendly to Bible-based content. This very well may be what drove the show’s initial success. Mixing the world’s most popular book with a game show format — and adding in Foxworthy as a host — has, thus far, proven a recipe for success.
Jeff Foxworthy (Photo Credit: GSN)
“The best-selling book of all time is now GSN’s most viewed program of all time, which proves that consumers are yearning for fun, family-friendly entertainment,” proclaimed Amy Introcaso-Davis, executive vice-president of Programming and Development at GSN.
“We are incredibly proud of this show and are happy that it connected with so many viewers,” she added in the official release announcing the network’s numbers.
For more information about the show, visit the official “American Bible Challenge” web site.
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Comments (227)
Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:54pmBet Wango is hitting the bong & mad about this.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:20pmSIRFOLDALLOT, LOL, I can just see him now….
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs
christos
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:53pm…That was a Great show I plan on watching it weekly,glad the Minnies Pantry won,all three teams where inspirational.
Report Post »BlesstheJews
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:50pmI enjoyed the show and answered most of the questions. Until it came to “Women of the Bible” I didnt do so well with that category. Probably because Im a Republican, and we hate women ya know……
Report Post »sbenard
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:46pmI watched it an enjoyed it!
Report Post »lmojoml
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:18pmTo Answer the Elias Question:
Luke: 1 11-17
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Also Compare 2 Kings 1 7-8
Report Post »7 And he said unto them, What manner of man was he which came up to meet you, and told you these words? 8 And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite.
To
Matthew 3: 3-4
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locust
watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:32pmThat’s nice. I‘m sure it’s all gobbledygook to you because I’m sure you think John the Baptist ate bugs.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:41pmBet the lib’s in hollywood r mad about this. Athiest will watch this 2 & cry americans out there watching r this , idiots.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:47pmIt will all be cleared up when Jesus finally appears, and then we’ll also learn the name of his Lord. It ain‘t rocket science that after he was crucified he went far away into an Apprenticeship program with the Lord of Lord’s. The Son always winds up more skilled than the Father.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:04pm@ LMOJOML- You didn’t answer a thing, all you did was copy and paste some scriptures. Jesus said John the Baptist is Elias. John the Baptist said “I AM NOT.”
Who’s lying, the Christian God or His Messenger, that God endowed with the Holy Spirit while the Messenger was still in his mother’s womb?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:23pmJesus did not lie and John did not lie; you just don’t know the scriptures. That’s all.
This was told to John’s mother, before his birth, “And he shall go before him IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
The Jews (especially the priests and Levites) were expecting for Elias of the Old Testament to raise from the dead and to literally come back to earth. THIS John denied, and said, he was not that Elias.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:08pm@ COLT1860- The scripture in question is John 1:20-21. God knows exactly what answer they are looking for. He himself, tells them John the Baptist is Elias. He knows they are going to ask John the Baptist if he really is Elias to see if God has lied to them and John the Baptist gives them what they came for.
John 1:20-21 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Report Post »lmojoml
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:49pmThe Scriptures did answer the question you are just to blind to see them. John came in the spirit of Elias that is what the scriptures say and clarify! The Bible does not teach reincarnation! John came in the same spirit (manner) as The voice of him that cries in the wilderness, Prepare you the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. You miss the Truth because the god of this world has blinded you from the truth. Repent and be converted!
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:04pm@ LMOJOML- Let‘s say for the sake of this discussion that you’re right. John the Baptist did come in the spirit of Elias. When asked the question wouldn‘t John the Baptist have known he was in the spirit of Elias since the Holy Spirit was guiding him since he was in his mother’s womb?
Report Post »lmojoml
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:42pmHe did say that, read again John 1! ” And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.”
See verse 23? he said “I am the VOICE!” Jesus never claimed that John was Elijah reincarnated.
“Matthew 11:14 And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, who was to come.”
He was just ans the Angel told his father. “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14″And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15″For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb. 16″And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. 17″And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord,” (Luke 1:13-17).
In the spirit and power of Elijah!!
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:56pm@ LMOJOML- So, John the Baptist answer should’ve been (Yes, I am). I am in the spirit of Elias. Jesus said John the Baptist is Elias. John the Baptist says he is not.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:07pmSurhanSurhan,
John the Baptist humbly, and accurately stated that he was not Elijah- but it is God who both sends and confirms prophesy, not man. Elijah was not reincarnated into the form of John the Baptist, but rather, was led by the Spirit of God to fulfil prophecy related to the coming Elijah (which literally means, “God Jehovah”, or “God is Jehovah”.)
In Elijah, we have a preview of Christ, who ascended before His apostles, and sent His Spirit to live within them:
2 Kings 2:15 Now when the sons of the prophets who were at Jericho opposite him saw him, they said, “The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.” And they came to meet him and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
Through the prophets, God also proclaims that Elijah would come again, preparing the way for the Lord. In fact, He tells Israel thru Isaiah that they would see God face-to-face after the way is prepared. They were to prepare the way for the Lord, and Elijah would prepare the way for the Lord, and the Lord Himself would come as the Christ:
Is. 40:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
Report Post »“Prepare the way of the LORD;
Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted
And every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight
And the rough places smooth;
5 The glory of the LORD shall be revealed,
And all flesh shall see it together;
For
Texas.7
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:13pmSurhanSurhan,
John the Baptist humbly, and accurately stated that he was not Elijah- but it is God who both sends and confirms prophesy, not man. Elijah was not reincarnated into the form of John the Baptist, but rather, was led by the Spirit of God to fulfil prophecy related to the coming Elijah (which literally means, “God Jehovah”, or “God is Jehovah”.)
In Elijah, we have a preview of Christ, who ascended before His apostles, and sent His Spirit to live within them:
2 Kings 2:15 Now when the sons of the prophets who were at Jericho opposite him saw him, they said, “The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.” And they came to meet him and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
Through the prophets, God also proclaims that Elijah would come again, preparing the way for the Lord. In fact, He tells Israel thru Isaiah that they would see God face-to-face after the way is prepared. They were to prepare the way for the Lord, and Elijah would prepare the way for the Lord, and the Lord Himself would come as the Christ:
Is. 40:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
Report Post »“Prepare the way of the LORD;
Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted
And every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight
And the rough places smooth;
5 The glory of the LORD shall be revealed,
And all flesh shall see it together;
For the
colt1860
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:13pm@SurhanSurhan Your ignorance of the scriptures surely is great.
“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, THERE APPEARED UNTO THEM Moses AND ELIAS talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, AND ONE FOR ELIAS. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid… And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.”
John was IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF Elias, and was not literally Elias in the flesh.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:14pmIs 40:9 O Zion,
You who bring good tidings,
Get up into the high mountain;
O Jerusalem,
You who bring good tidings,
Lift up your voice with strength,
Lift it up, be not afraid;
Say to the cities of Judah, “Behold your God!”
10 Behold, the Lord GOD shall come with a strong hand,
And His arm shall rule for Him;
Behold, His reward is with Him,
And His work before Him.
11 He will feed His flock like a shepherd;
He will gather the lambs with His arm,
And carry them in His bosom,
And gently lead those who are with young.
Luke 3:3 And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying:
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the LORD;
Make His paths straight.
5 Every valley shall be filled
And every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight
And the rough ways smooth;
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”
Mal 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger,
Report Post »And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek,
Will suddenly come to His temple,
Even the Messenger of the covenant,
In whom you delight.
Behold, He is coming,”
Says the LORD of h
Texas.7
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:50pmMal 3:2 “But who can endure the day of His coming?
And who can stand when He appears?
For He is like a refiner’s fire
And like launderers’ soap.
The Lord Himself purges us of sin, granting us an offering of His righteousness, thru His sacrafice. No other sacrafice would do. But in Christ, we may abide in the presence of God, His Spirit a refiners’ fire which does not consume us. His gift of life remains, now and after all else passes away.
Is 40:16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, Nor its beasts sufficient for a burnt offering.
Mal 3 cont:
4 “Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem
Will be pleasant to the LORD,
As in the days of old,
As in former years.
Mal 4:
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Prophecy is fulfilled in many ways, in distinct patterns, producing unity in scripture. Surhan: this will only resonate with you if you are open. Jesus Christ addressed this:
Matt 11:14 “And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.” Let the Spirit interpret.
We see the likeness of Elijah in John the Baptist, who made the way for Christ. Elijah was with Jesus and Moses in glory, in Matt 17:3. And the pattern of Elijah in seen Jesus personally, who leaves with us His Spirit- and “God with Us” remains with us today. And Elijah will come again, preparing the way of the Lord
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:58pm@ TEXAS.7- That’s all fine and dandy Texas.7 but you and others still have not explained why there‘s a contradiction between what Jesus said and what John the Baptist’s response to what was said.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:13pmSirhan,
Report Post »You obviosly didn’t read it, because I addressed that specifically, John was not the reincarnate Elijah, but was here in the pattern of Elijah. He paved the way for Christ according to prophesy, which will make no sense to one who is looking for conflict. Seek and you shall find. If you want confusion, you will find it in both the Bible and the world. But if you want truth, a whole new world opens up, and you will find that there is no conflict in the Bible. It testifies of itself, and the Spirit within a believer opens us up to the testimony of that same Spirit. We hear the voice of the Lord, which isn’t possible if you are closed to that voice. Why not read what I wrote and address my posts, rather than seeking to discredit what you don’t want to understand.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:34pm@ TEXAS.7- I accepted your answer. The problem is you can‘t answer my question as to why there’s a contradiction between Jesus and John. Jesus says John the Baptist is Elias, John the Baptist says he is not.
Report Post »lmojoml
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:48pmThere is no contradiction surhan! None at all!! You are not only blind but willingly blind! John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. He stated he was “the Voice” Not the reincarnation!! Jesus stated if you can accept this he was Elijah regarding the role he was in (Keep the context here) Both John the Baptist and Elijah had similar ministries – he dressed like Elijah, ministered like Elijah, had a message of judgment like Elijah (2 Kings 1:7-8 & Matt 3:4). In Luke 1:17 John the Baptist is stated by the prophesying angel as “a forerunner in the spirit and power of Elijah” and then quotes the same context as Malachi 4:5 regarding Elijah’s stated role “to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous so to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” This then is the key to understanding what Christ meant when He stated in Matt 11:13-14 “And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.” This is further clarified in Matt 17:10-13. Here when Christ is asked the question about Elijah as the forerunner, He both states that Elijah will come (Matt 17:11), and has already come (Matt 17:12-13) in the form of John the Baptist (who came in the spirit and power of Elijah). John the Baptist was the forerunner of Christ’s first coming (in the spirit and power of Elijah), and Elijah will yet come as a forerunner to Christ’s second coming.
Report Post »Texas.7
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:51pmThe answer is that prophecy was fulfilled the fact that John was unaware. He did exactly what he was told and no more or less. And God inspired the apostles to recognise the pattern of prophecy which John completed- despite the fact that he didn’t recognise it himself.
Jesus said that if they were able to accept it, John was their Elijah. And what I pointed out was that Jesus Himself filled the bill also, for different reasons. Then, Elijah appeared with Jesus and Moses at transfiguration. And Elijah will come before the final coming of the Lord. Prophecy has pattern and rhythm, so that different events can be viewed in their tightly woven patterns. God is very frugal with His words, and rarely means only one thing. The language of analogies in the Bible is very expansive, not narrow. You will not understand if you try to cram God’s truth into too small of a finite box- yet truth is absolute. It is just a lot bigger than what we typically expect.
Report Post »lmojoml
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:06pmJohn was not Physically Elijah! So John answered Correctly He came in the spirit and power of Elijah. The Exact role of Elijah this is the context which Jesus is explaining in Matt 11: 1-15. So Jesus declared correctly.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:25pm@ LMOJOML- Okay, I accept what you’re telling me. Now, answer my question. Why did John the Baptist say he was not Elias?!
Report Post »lmojoml
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:05pmQuestion has been answered at length by multiple people.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:32pmMethods Muslims use to attack Christianity:
No. 1 Attack the validity of the Bible
No. 2 Attempt to set Paul against Jesus
No. 3 Misrepresentation of Christian doctrine
No. 4 Misinterpreting various Scripture passages
No. 6 Claim their thinking is correct and Christian thinking is incorrect
No. 7 Switching topics when challenged
The Qur’an says, “O ye who believe! Turn unto Allah in sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will remit from you your evil deeds and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, on the day when Allah will not abase the Prophet and those who believe with him. Their light will run before them and on their right hands; they will say: Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us! Lo! Thou art Able to do all things,” (66:8-9). Notice how it says if you are sincere you may receive forgiveness.
Report Post »Question: How do you know you are sincere enough to be forgiven of Allah?
Question: Does it give you peace to know that even if you are very sincere then, at best, you may receive forgiveness?
Question: If you say that you know you are sincere enough in your repentance before Allah, how do you know you are not deceiving yourself?
Question: Is your heart really good enough to muster enough sincerity before a Holy and Righteous God?
Question: If you say yes, I honestly and humbly ask you, “Are you being prideful?”
Question: If you say you are not being prideful, then are you boasting in your sincerit
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:33pmIn Christianity, Jesus is God in flesh who paid for our sins on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). Because of that, we Christians are secure in Him and do not have to worry about doing enough good works to please God since we are saved by grace through faith in Him, (Eph. 2:8-9).
Question: Why should we Christians give up our guarantee of salvation in Jesus for the requirements of your Qur‘anic law when you yourselves don’t even know if you have done enough good deeds to be saved on the Day of Judgment?
The Bible says that God is love (1 John 4:16) and that He loves all people (Matt. 5:43-48; John 3:16). The Qur’an never says that “God is love.” In fact, the Qur’an says that Allah does not love unbelievers (2:98; 3:32).
Question: If Allah does not love unbelievers, can you say that Allah is love, especially if the Qur’an does not say it?
Report Post »Question: If you say yes, that Allah is love, then why does he only love the Muslims and not all people?
Question: If you say Allah is love, is he more loving than the God of the Bible who loves all people?
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:34pmIn the Bible, Jesus said in John 15:13, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” In Christianity, the greatest act of love is performed by God Himself — since Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9). Jesus is the one who fulfilled His own words on this. He laid His life down for us.
Question: What is the greatest act of love performed by Allah?
Question: If what Jesus said is true, then hasn’t someone besides Allah performed the greatest act of love?
Question: Why do you, as a Muslim, want me to give up such a great love performed by God Himself (from a Christian perspective) for your belief in Allah who only loves people if they are Muslims?
Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit lives in the Christians.
Question: If the angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, how can he dwell in us? (Note: According to the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament Textual Apparatus, there are no textual variations of any of the following biblical references. They are recorded and transmitted to us accurately.)
Report Post »“Guard, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you,” (2 Tim. 1:14, NASB).
“Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Cor. 3:16, NASB).
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 10:34pmLying is okay?
Question: Was Muhammad wrong for advocating lying? Is Lying okay? “Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it,” (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
Report Post »Question: Who is more holy, Allah or Yahweh?
In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. The Christian God would never approve of lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn’t Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying. Which God is more holy? The God of Christianity is far more holy.
strewth_cobber
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:36pmColt1860, SteveH931, Christos, Commoncents5, BByrdhouse, WatersRPeople, FedUpV2. You have all given clear and proper answers to Surhan Surhan’s questions. Surhan Surhan CHOOSES not to accept your responses and chooses not to understand.
Proverbs 29:9 If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.
Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Jesus/Y’shua did ask a question while crucified on the cross. But God the Father never has and never will abandon or forsake those who TRUST in Him. And thank God the Father, that we are only visitors just passing through in THIS world. Amen!
Maranatha!!
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:11am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You said: “Question: How do you know you are sincere enough to be forgiven of Allah?
Question: Does it give you peace to know that even if you are very sincere then, at best, you may receive forgiveness?
Question: If you say that you know you are sincere enough in your repentance before Allah, how do you know you are not deceiving yourself?
Question: Is your heart really good enough to muster enough sincerity before a Holy and Righteous God?
Question: If you say yes, I honestly and humbly ask you, “Are you being prideful?”
Question: If you say you are not being prideful, then are you boasting in your sincerit”
The answer to your questions is we Muslims leave it up to Allah to keep the tally on weather we are forgiven. Allah is the best at keeping tally and He is oft Forgiven Most Gracious, Merciful and Beneficent.
You said: “Why should we Christians give up our guarantee of salvation in Jesus for the requirements of your Qur‘anic law when you yourselves don’t even know if you have done enough good deeds to be saved on the Day of Judgment?”
Answer: Your Bible said it best: James 2:14;17;24 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?….(17)Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead….(24)You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
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Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:16amThe Jews were expecting for the real Elias of the Old Testament to come back to earth, literally. John the baptist denied THIS false of assertion made by the Jews. John was NOT Elias. John came in the Spirit and Power of Elias, not in the flesh of Elias.
Now, to show your complete ignorance…
In Matthew chapter 17, Jesus actually talked to the real Elijah of the Old Testament. THIS Elijah actually appeared TO JESUS and HIS DISCIPLES as a HEAVENLY body, not earthly, or reborn of a woman. Jesus never made the claim that the real Elias he and the disciples had just met, would appear again, or dwell among men once again as some prophet. No, he said that the Elias mentioned in PROPHECY was ALREADY here, that is, John the Baptist.
Leave it to an infidel to try to tell a Believer in Christ what the Scriptures really mean, and you’ll get foolishness on display. LOL.
“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart… Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.”
The disciples KNEW that that Elias in the high mountain was the real Elias, and not John the Baptist. Wherefore, Jesus says to his disciples concerning Elias the prophet mentioned in scripture that is to come, “THAT Elias [NOT the one they just met] is come ALREADY, and THEY KNEW HIM NOT”.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:37am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You asked these questions: “Question: If Allah does not love unbelievers, can you say that Allah is love, especially if the Qur’an does not say it?
Question: If you say yes, that Allah is love, then why does he only love the Muslims and not all people?
Question: If you say Allah is love, is he more loving than the God of the Bible who loves all people?”
The Holy Qur’an says: If you love Allah then follow Prophet Muhammad and Allah will love you.
Allah does not love the unbeliever and the Bible gives us examples of that. When God told Noah to build an ark. God told Noah to build it because He was going to drown those that had sinned against Him and were not believers.
We see the same thing played out against Pharaoh and his men. Also, with Lot and his people. So, the God of the Bible and the God of Islam do not love the unbelievers.
You said: ” Question: What is the greatest act of love performed by Allah?
Question: If what Jesus said is true, then hasn’t someone besides Allah performed the greatest act of love?
Question: Why do you, as a Muslim, want me to give up such a great love performed by God Himself (from a Christian perspective) for your belief in Allah who only loves people if they are Muslims?”
When a person accepts Islam, they don’t give up their love of God. They simply make some adjustments that’s all. There are 99 attributes of God listed in the Holy Qur’an…
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:53am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- …with the number 1 pearl of them all being ALLAH! They all describe who He is.
You said: “Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit lives in the Christians.”
Islam does not teach that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. There is no such thing as a Holy Spirit in Islam the way Christianity believes in the Holy Spirit. We say as a response to the Christian belief that there is a Holy Spirit that Muhammad is the Holy Spirit that the Bible speaks about.
You said: “Question: Was Muhammad wrong for advocating lying? Is Lying okay? “Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it,” (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
Question: Who is more holy, Allah or Yahweh?
In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. The Christian God would never approve of lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn’t Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying. Which God is more holy? The God of Christianity is far more holy.”
God never approves of lying or deception. Muhammad or any person that God has chosen as a Prophet/Messenger would never lie, deceive, maim or murder. Why is this such a big deal for you Christians?
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:25am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Paul was all those things before he became a Christian. So if the God of Christianity can change Paul, couldn’t he do the same for Muhammad if Muhammad needed it?
The Hadith you quoted was a military strategy from Muhammad and his companions:
Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi)
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 369
Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.”
This is the same as Jesus saying: Luke 22:35-36 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and kill them before me.
Your Bible says: Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should REPENT:
Genesis 6:6 And it REPENTED the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:40am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Is this another contradiction in the Bible? I think so.
This is a response to STREWTH_COBBER- With all due respect to you sir/ma‘am but you Christians or either dumb or you can’t read the English language. You and the others here (Colt1860, SteveH931, Christos, Commoncents5, BByrdhouse, WatersRPeople, FedUpV2) All you did was answer weather John the Baptist is Elias. That’s not the question.
The question is why didn’t John the Baptist say Yes, I am in the spirit of Elias if that is what is meant. Instead he said “No, I am not Elias”
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:16am@ Strewth
You are quite right. Surhan has sucked some more people into a pointless debate with a fool.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:49amWhat the real debate should be about is the fact that there are many muslims living in America, enjoying the fruits that your constant defence of liberty provides them, who want to kill you. That is; you personally. Any, and if possible, all Americans. And most certainly all Christians and Jews.
American law enforcement keeps catching them, and when caught they blithely admit that they are proud of themselves and wish that they could have created more destruction.
And yet there is this moronic prostration by your government that only encourages these barbaric savages. To be fair; it is not just the US, but the western world that tolerates this malignant viper in their living room.
Islamists have proven their intentions time and again, and then they lull the tolerant, freedom-loving culture that they are attempting to annihilate back to sleep with taqiyya.
Western Europe is being brought brutally awake, finally, and the rest of the western nations are starting to pay attention, but there is still a dearth of disciplined, co-ordinated, and effective response.
And yet people still debate Surhan as if he cared about the truth. He doesn’t. He is doing his little bit to try and distract decent people from the true goals of his nasty cult.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:09amAnd as for Surhan’s intransigence; he once told me that Bukhari, when I quoted it to him, was not an authentic hadith. He now uses it because it suits him.
He is dishonest.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:01am@ NZKIWI- Ah yes, the religious bigot is back (I know you Christians are slow so allow me to explain. A religious bigot is judging a whole group of people for the actions of a few.). Just like in America in recent weeks we’ve seen these headlines in the news where these gunmen are going on killing sprees.
If I were to follow your line of thinking Nzkiwi, I would say Americans are killing or attempting to kill one another. As a rational person I know that that’s not the truth. These are all isolated incidents.
There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world. They’re not all out there trying to kill Americans/Europeans or Jews/Christians. Just like in any family there are a few black sheep out there that are hell bent on death and destruction. And it doesn’t matter who gets in their way, (Muslims died in the attacks on 9/11 and 7/7) but they don’t represent the whole of Islam.
As for the Bukhari Hadith, I did not use the Hadith because it does not fit my agenda. It was quoted to me and I simply responded to it. I don’t run away from a response like you Christians I confront it head on. Since you and I spoke I’ve had the opportunity to take a look at this Hadith (because it was always being quoted to me) and to see the meaning behind it. My opinion on the Hadith has changed, that’s all.
There’s no dishonesty here, I can admit when I make a mistake with no problem. Unlike a lot of you Christians here.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:22am@ NZKIWI- By the way, If I’m such a deceiver, why take the time out to engage in conversation with me or about me? Are you afraid your fellow Christians are too dumb or too stupid to figure me out?
You Americans are so arrogant, you think we Muslims have gotta have you guys as part of our group in order to make us feel special. If you don‘t accept Islam I couldn’t care less. The only thing I care about is whether you tell the truth about Islam. If you don‘t I’m going to call you out on it.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:40amSurhan,
What is the truth about Allah and love? Do you know for certain that he loves you? Does he love me? How has he shown you his love? Jesus Christ died for me, and I have his presence in my life, filling me with love. God tells me to live in peace with my enemies, and to love them. Jesus said that if we live by the sword, we die by the sword. God, thru Paul, teaches that even if we were to die as a martyr for our faith, and have not love, we are nothing.
So, what can you tell us about the love that Allah teaches, has shown you personally, how he feels about us in the west. I can tell you that Jesus loves you, and would be so very happy if you could see that and choose Him instead. The unsaved who God knows will become saved, are the reason He restrains His judgement on the world right now. It is for love.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:48amSurhanSurhan,
I and others did answer your question, but you didn’t want to hear it. John the Baptist didn’t know that he filled the role of Elijah. To him, he just did what God told him to do, and God himself pointed it out. John was worried to the end that he didn’t do enough. He was obedient, and is now surrounded by the love He served. Your question was fully answered, but one must accept the answer. That is all that was missing from that conversation.
So let’s move on to love. Can you answer my questions?
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:03pm@ TEXAS.7- You said: “What is the truth about Allah and love? Do you know for certain that he loves you? Does he love me? How has he shown you his love?”
These are all very important questions. Allah is Love, it is one of his 99 attributes. Allah is the one that teaches His creatures to love. However, the difference between Christianity and Islam is that in Islam we recognize that it does not benefit God to love us, it benefits us if we love Him.
You see, God will still be God whether He loves us or not or whether we love Him or not. So, If the created loves the Creator and does what the Creator has Created us for. We will receive another life.
By the way, will you answer this question for me? What does the Bible say the purpose of life is? I’m looking for a scripture that says (the purpose of life is…), something to that effect.
You said: “I and others did answer your question, but you didn’t want to hear it. John the Baptist didn’t know that he filled the role of Elijah. To him, he just did what God told him to do, and God himself pointed it out. John was worried to the end that he didn’t do enough. He was obedient, and is now surrounded by the love He served. Your question was fully answered, but one must accept the answer. That is all that was missing from that conversation. So let’s move on to love. Can you answer my questions?”
I notice you Christians love to have the last say on a subject. (smh)
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:13pmSurhanSurhan,
Heartitorleaveit asked you about Allah and love, and I asked you about Allah and love. We also, with many others, answered your question about Elijah, but you prefer to carry on an argument in which the answer is plain, simply because you don’t like the answer.
Next topic, please answer our questions about Allah and love. God so loved the world that He sent his only begotten Son Jesus to die for us- a sacrifice asked of Abraham, but reserved for God alone. It was the ultimate act of love. And Jesus, giving Himself to purchase His beloved Bride, proved out that love. Men are to love their wives so much that they would lay down their lives for them, as Jesus gave His life for the Church. He conquered death, and now lives because Agape has swallowed the Law and destroyed the enemy.
Are you married? Do you love your wife in this way? Does Allah teach you to love your wife in this manner? Does Allah love women as precious and worthy of His divine sacrifice? Does Allah lead through the example of love, which is given to Christians through Christ? Are women cherished in heaven, as equally precious members of a beloved body of believers, under Allah?
Give us anything- What does Allah teach you about love?
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:27pmSurhan,
You say, “Allah is the one that teaches His creatures to love. However, the difference between Christianity and Islam is that in Islam we recognize that it does not benefit God to love us, it benefits us if we love Him.”
We agree that God is God despite the choices of man. But here I am quite confused. “By his fruit is a man known”. What fruit does Allah seek from a believer towards a non-believer? It is to turn the other cheek? Is it, “forgive them, for they know not what they do”? Does he teach that love is greater actually, than any other form of obedience or sign of greatness? The love of the humble is much greater than the bloody death of a martyr to Christ, assuming that the martyr didn’t cause harm to others. Paul sought to enforce his faith, believing that he was serving God, and Jesus said, “Why to you kick against the goad?” He didn‘t realise that in his blind obedience to man’s teachings, he was fighting against the God of love- who loved him even after his crimes against man and God.
Give me Quaranic scripture which supports the sacrificial kind of love that I am speaking about- towards women, for the lost and towards enemies. Does Allah teach man to forgive or to exact judgement? We learn that judgement is for God alone, who chooses forgiveness for any who will have it.
You can interpret that Allah loves women in the manner that Jesus teaches men to love their wives. But where does He say it?
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:38pmSurhan,
Jesus is God, and He tells us that He came to find the lost sheep, to gather believers, to lay down His life for His Bride, to offer to man Living Waters and Bread of Life. Let us look to all that Jesus did so that we could be saved. Clearly, our purpose is to be saved, and to gather others. God resolves this question to any who will listen- our purpose is our calling, and His sheep will hear His voice.
Then, we each serve a specific purpose as joint heirs. Jesus gives us the following commands: serve others, love others, love God, and tell the world the good news of His love. For such a time as this we are all here, and some of us find ourselves talking to you. Who knows? My purpose could be you, Surhan. My purpose could be for the good of others who I will never meet till we are gathered together on the other side. But my purpose extends beyond myself, that is for sure. And just like John the Baptist didn’t know what his true purpose is, none of us will know if we did any good at all till we stand face to face with our Maker. But I can tell you this… Since Jesus came for the sole purpose of gathering souls- my primary purpose and yours too, is to be gathered. Everything else is secondary, because we simply live without purpose before that point, and cannot serve the Lord in the way that He desires. My goal in life is to do all that He asks, and to leave nothing undone.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:56pm@ TEXAS.7- You have made a number of mistakes in your latest post. Number one being that Jesus sacrificed his life for mankind. Wrong! Here’s what your Bible says:
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:
As you can see there was no need for Jesus or anyone else to sacrifice their life because God had abandon that practice before Jesus was born, and Jesus reiterated it in Matthew.
Islam teaches that all men and women are as equal as the teeth of a comb.
“O mankind, be mindful of your duty to your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from the two spread many men and women.” (4:2)
“He it is Who has created you from a single soul and made there from its mate, so that the male might incline towards the female and find comfort in Her.” (7:190)
“Of His signs it is that He has created mates for you of your on kind that you may find peace of mind through them, and He has put love and tenderness between you. In that surely are Signs for a people who reflect.” (30:22)
These verses show that the Holy Quran has given woman the same status which has been given to man as the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said:
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:58pmmuslims- Are you going to paradise?
I’m not asking you in whose hands it is. I’m asking if you are going to paradise.
I’m asking YOU a question. Have you done enough good works?
Is your scale tilting in your favor?
“To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward” (Surah 5:9)
“Then those whose balance (of good deeds ) is heavy, they will be successful. But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls; in hell will they abide,” (23:102-103)
“And We set a just balance for the Day of Resurrection so that no soul is wronged in aught. Though it be of the weight of a grain of mustard seed, We bring it. And We suffice for reckoners,” (21:47)
Is your scale tilting in your favor? Are you doing enough good or will you go to hell? Have you been good enough?
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In Christianity, we can NEVER do enough to please God. He is far too holy and perfect for that. Therefore HE arranges forgiveness for us, in Jesus.
1 John 5:13, “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.”
In Christianity, we can NEVER do enough to please God. He is far too holy and perfect for that. Therefore HE arranges forgiveness for us, in Jesus. We trust in what JESUS did, NEVER in what we do. We can NEVER measure up to God.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:04pm@ TEXAS.7- Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said: “There is no claim of merit of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of white over a black person, or of a male over a female. Only God-fearing people merit a preference with God.”
So Islam confers on women all the political and social rights, which man enjoy. She is entitled to all the privileges bestowed upon man. Beside worldly matters, women are also equal to men in the spiritual sense. As it says that they are from the same origin as are men, and due to this fact they should not be dealt with harshly and roughly, rather men Should deal with them in a very mild and soft manner. The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon Him) has been reported to have said Alaikum bil Qawareer. The women should be taken care of as someone takes care of glass products. Glass is liable to break very easily if it is not taken care of, so is the delicacy in woman, and men must be careful not to injure her delicacy, because in her delicacy lies her beauty.
Islam teaches that education of men and women is of equal importance. The Holy Quran holds learning as priceless and tells that only the learned can understand the signs of God and His wisdom, and come close to Him. The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) has said:
“It is the duty of every Muslim man and woman to seek knowledge.”
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:12pmJesus was sinless (1 Pet. 2:22). Was Muhammad sinless?
Is it OK for a innocent person like Jesus to be punished for all the evil persons in the world? Is that fair? Did God punish Jesus? God did not punish Jesus.
Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins?
It was the Pharisees and the Romans who worked together to kill Jesus. God knew what would happen to Jesus and allowed it.
The Romans nailed him to the cross. There were six trials. Three before the Romans and three before the Jews… and yes, God let it happen. And while Jesus was on the cross, He then bore our sins (1 Pet. 2:24).
“Then those whose balance (of good deeds ) is heavy, they will be successful. But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls; in hell will they abide,” (23:102-103).
I ask muslims again, Are you good enough to do more good works than bad and please an infinite God?
Receive the free gift of salvation in Jesus Christ who is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9). Only in Jesus is their forgiveness of sins because it is impossible to please God by what we do.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).
I believe what Jesus said. HE alone is the way. Not muhammad, not your works.
I have eternal life because of what Jesus did. Not because of what I do.
muslims CANNOT answer this question:
Are you good enough to do more good works than bad and please an infinite God?
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:15pm1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed….
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.h…
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
All of Creation groaned in anticipation of
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:18pmTo some Muslims, the term “Son of God” brings up images of a sort of divine being with a goddess wife who together have somehow produced a child. So when Christians use the term in reference to Jesus, they immediately assume that the Christians are committing blasphemy by stating that God has participated in some sort of sexual union with another god – a goddess wife.
They say: “the most gracious has betaken a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it in the skies are about to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, that they attributed a son to the Most Gracious, for it is not consonant with the majesty of the Most Gracious that he should beget a son. (The Qur’an, 5:88-92).
Report Post »This is naturally a ridiculous scenario and is a false assumption. No where in the Bible does it say that God had relations with anyone to produce a literal son, nor has Christianity taught that God produced a son through any physical act whatsoever. Such a thing is heretical. Nevertheless, the Bible in numerous places calls Jesus the Son of God. But, it does not mean that Jesus is the literal offspring of God.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:19pmcont….
The Muslims need to ask what does that term mean, in its historic and biblical context. Instead of imposing upon the biblical term a meaning that is foreign to it, the Muslim should learn what the Bible means by the term and think of it in the context as revealed in the Scriptures where it is used. To not do that would be the same as me taking a term out of the Qur’an, remove it from its Qur’anic context, and applying another meaning to it and then saying what the Qur’an teaches is false. The term ‘Son of God’ is used in different senses in the Bible. But, never does it mean that God has a wife and produces offspring.
Old Testament usage of the term Son of God
The term “son of God” is used in two main ways in the Old Testament. Neither way denotes any physical relation to God. Rather, the references deal with those who are under divine obedience to the call of God. It is used of Israel as a nation through the Exodus. Hosea 11:1 says, “When Israel was a youth I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son.”1 It is also used in reference to angels. Job 1:6 says, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.” Also, in Job 38:7 it says, “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” These are in reference to angels who are created beings and in no way implies literal dependency from God.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:20pmcont…
New Testament usage of the term Son of God
The Term “Son of God” occurs 47 times in the King James New Testament. In reference to Jesus, it is a title as the heavenly, eternal Son who is equal to God the Father (John 5:18-24). It is Jesus who fully reveals the Father (Matt. 11:27). He is the exact representation of the Father (Heb. 1:1-3), He possesses all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18), and Jesus had glory with the Father before the world was made (John 17:5).
The Muslim is taught from the Qur’an and therefore cannot accept the fact that Jesus is divine. To the Muslim, that is shirk, blasphemy of the worst kind. But believing it doesn’t make it so. To the Christian, and according to the Bible, Jesus is the one who alone saves us from our sins. We cannot earn our way to heaven, perform enough good works to please God, or ever be “sincere enough” in repentance to somehow obtain forgiveness from God. Instead, Christianity is a faith in God’s great love and sacrifice for His creation. Jesus, the Son of God, is the divine one who fulfilled prophecies, walked on water, healed the sick, and rose from the dead. Only the Son of God can do these things.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:29pmSurhan, back to the treatment of women in the Quaran:
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is most high.
Qur’an 4:34
And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them.
Qur’an 2:228
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
Qur’an 4:34
Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.
Qur’an 2:223
If you fear you can not treat orphans (girls) with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three or four of them. Qur’an 4:3
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 2:35pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Good for you Heartitorleavit. As you know, I have already shown you that Jesus did not come to die for the sins of mankind. So, therefore, as the Bible says you are still in your sins:
1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:
You can have all the faith in the world. If you don’t have works your faith is useless.
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
You‘ve got to put in works according to the Bible and the Qur’an. But hey, if you feel fine resting on your laurels, and having a defeatist attitude that’s fine with me!
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:01pmFor the dolts who apparently don‘t know nor understand the scriptures and are simply here poking fun just quit trolling and go to your atheist services where you’re ignorance is appreciated …
As for Watersrpeople, yep, you are indeed Super Dolt of the Day because grasshoppers are insects and approved in the scriptures by God to eat and I’ll venture to bet that John the Baptist enjoyed them immensely when other food sources were unavailable ;-) Besides not knowing the scriptures you obviously didn’t watch the show either – LOL ;-)
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 3:50pm@ Blazers
There is, at least, one good thing in having Surhan’s posts here. He is educating us.
You will notice that he picks one small part of your arguement and attacks that at length, drawing the debate away into minutae and attempting to distract commenters from the main point. This is a classic taqiyya technique.
He will also twist your point slightly in re-quoting it in order to make it easy to counter. You will notice that I said many muslims are trying to kill us (a perfectly true statement) and he twists it to suggest that I said all muslims are trying to kill us, and then attacks that.
He will also try to belittle an individual (accusing me of religious bigotry), separate an individual (suggesting that I think Christians are dumb), and deny the obvious “You Americans are so arrogant, you think we Muslims have gotta have you guys as part of our group in order to make us feel special”.
In this and other ways, he seeks to distract people from the fact that Islamic scholars have repeatedly stated that their goal is to create a world-wide caliphate and have no problem killing innocents and spreading terror in order to promote that objective. This is undeniable. The evidence for my statements is legion and you have all seen it.
Here is a summation of the techniques of taqiyya that may help you to see what’s going on.
http://crombouke.blogspot.co.nz/2010/01/twelve-tactics-of-taqiyya.html
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 4:24pm@ TEXAS.7- The scriptures you‘ve quoted from the Qur’an are the same as in the Bible. The Bible says the man is the head of the woman. The Bible says wives to submit to your husband. The scriptures you’ve given are no different.
The Bible says a man can chop off his wife hand and he cannot show her any pity.
The Holy prophet had keen interest in the education of women. His own wife, Ayesha was highly learned and he is reported to have said to his companions: Learn half of the faith from Ayesha. After the death of the Holy prophet his companions frequently asked her for guidance in matters on which there was a difference of opinion and she was considered an authority on many vital issues and a large number of authentic traditions were narrated by her.
Islam denounced the assertion of the Christian Fathers that women do not posses a soul . Woman’s spiritual equality with man is repeatedly stressed in the Holy Quran. For instance it is said:
“Enter into paradise ye and your wives, honoured and happy. (43:71)”
“Whose acts righteously, whether male or female and is a believer, we will surely grant him a pure life; and We will surely bestow on such their reward according to the best of their work. (16:98)”
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 4:42pm@ TEXAS.7- “For men who submit themselves wholly to Allah, and women who submit wholly to Him and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey Allah and women who obey Him, and men who are truthful and women who are truthful, and men who are steadfast and women who are steadfast, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, and men who remember Allah and women who remember Him, Allah has prepared forgiveness and great reward. (33;36)”
These verses make it clear that Muslim women stand on the same level with Muslim men and that they can attain to all those spiritual heights to which men can attain. At several places in the Quran, believing men and believing women are addressed in the same language and are made equally subject to the same commandments and entitled to the same rights and privileges.
And again Holy Quran said:
“Allah will turn in mercy to believing men and believing women; Allah is most forgiving, Ever Merciful. (33:74)”
Men and women are afforded equal protection. For instance, the Holy Quran says:
“Those who malign believing men and believing women for that which they have not done, shall bear the guilt of a false statement and a manifest sin. (33:59)”
I can go on, and on, and on, and on, but you get the point.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:11pm@ NZKIWI- You said: “he seeks to distract people from the fact that Islamic scholars have repeatedly stated that their goal is to create a world-wide caliphate and have no problem killing innocents and spreading terror in order to promote that objective. This is undeniable. The evidence for my statements is legion and you have all seen it.”
Islam is not a monolith. We don’t follow any Tom, Richard, or Harry simply because they make a proclamation. Christians/Catholics do that.
Are you the Prophet for the Blazers? You‘re the savior that’s going to save them from death and destruction from Surhan Surhan?!
“Attention Blazers”, what is that? You do think that you’re smarter than everyone else. You have made it your job to draw attention to what you call taqiyya. That others aren’t smart enough to figure it out unless YOU point it out to them. Who died and left you in charge?
You did say many Muslims in your earlier statement and to that I will say many Christians want to kill Muslims. Take a look at what the US government and Israeli government are talking about doing to Iran. It doesn’t matter that their are old people, women and children that have nothing to do with what the government is doing that are going to be hurt if there is some kind of strike against Iran. And your nation as a whole will look the other way. Like they do when innocent Muslims are killed with those US predator drone strikes.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:16pmHow old was this wise, well educated woman Ayesha when he married her? What is the status of an unmarried or divorced woman in heaven. Why does Allah compare women to dogs and property.
Regardless, you have never explained how you know Allah loves you. Does Allah love me, a Christian? How might one be secure in their faith that Allah loves them and in the knowledge that they are going to paradise? What is your relationship with Allah? Do you have a personal relationship with him, and if so, can you describe it?
I have freely described my personal relationship with Christ, my security in Christ, the fact that He desires the best for even you, a non-believer, for whom he also gave his life, if you will have it. God offered His own son, sparing Isaac, because the blood of sheep, goats, or man, could not purchase redemption for mankind. Jesus is personal, loving and speaks to us. I am trying to find out why one would become a Muslim and reject the redemption of Jesus Christ, who continues with us, drawing us daily closer to God, wrapping us in the security of His unending love. I can’t imagine life without Christ- not only for the promise of eternity, but day in and day out. You have never been able to tell me a convincing answer to why one would reject the love of Christ to turn to Allah. I am merely curious. Christians don’t enforce conversion, kill defectors or our children who dishonour us. We come to Christ in love.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:29pmTo HEARITORLEAVEIT – Outstanding Scriptural Response to SURHANSURHAN,,,Kudos.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:56pm@ TEXAS.7- She was older than the Prophet. The status for divorced women is the same for that of married, single, or widows there’s no difference in the sight of Allah.
I’m not getting this whole dog thing. However, Jesus said the same thing to a Jewess in the Bible.
Matthew 15:26-28 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith.
If you can show me a similar scripture from the Qur’an maybe I can explain it to you.
You said: “Regardless, you have never explained how you know Allah loves you. Does Allah love me, a Christian? How might one be secure in their faith that Allah loves them and in the knowledge that they are going to paradise? What is your relationship with Allah? Do you have a personal relationship with him, and if so, can you describe it?”
I explained love in Islam, you don’t accept it. Allah does not love the unbelievers, He will judge between Muslims, Jews, and Christians as to whose right and whose wrong. Allah will decide whom He loves and who will go to hell or achieve paradise. My relationship with Allah is creature worshiping the Creator. “Personal” relationship is a vague term. I don’t know what that means.
You still have not answered my question!
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:11pmSurhan, this is a bit like banging my head against the wall. When you stop twisting in circles, you might re-read these posts for your answers. Have a good day.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:14pm@ CHRISTOS- Heartitorleaveit knows that Muslims do not have a problem with Jesus being the son of God we are all God’s children. We have a problem with the term ‘begat” because it means to have sex and produce.
Matthew 1: The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
I can go on and on.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:18pm@ Blazers
Did you see what Surhan did there? If you read the link that I posted, you will instantly recognise it.
He quotes me as saying “Attention Blazers” which I did not say, and then attacks me for saying what I did not say.
To save you going back up: ““Attention Blazers”, what is that? You do think that you’re smarter than everyone else. You have made it your job to draw attention to what you call taqiyya. That others aren’t smart enough to figure it out unless YOU point it out to them. Who died and left you in charge?”
Thus he twists my point, belittles me, and tries to separate me by suggesting that I’m trying to lead you by the nose. In addition, he suggests that taqiyya is not real (taqiyya about taqiyya).
Then he says: “You did say many Muslims in your earlier statement and to that I will say many Christians want to kill Muslims.” This is another taqiyya tactic. They defend themselves by saying that Christians/Jews are just as bad. This is patently false. There have been about 20,000 lethal attacks by muslims throughout the world since 9/11. By my count there have been three terrorist attacks by “Christians” which all other Christians have immediately condemned. Muslims on the other hand have celebrated Islamic attacks.
The great thing is that all his words remain on record so that denials and untruths can be checked.
Keep it up, Surhan. You are shining a light on yourself and your ilk.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:25pmAnd in reply to Christos he attempts to show that there is commonality between Islam and Abrahamic religions. Another well known taqqiya tactic.
The only relationship between the two is that Islam stole what was useful to them, but they use this to try and confer some validity on their disgusting ideology.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:30pmSurhan said to me: “Islam is not a monolith. We don’t follow any Tom, Richard, or Harry simply because they make a proclamation. Christians/Catholics do that.”
Tell that to Salman Rushdie, the cartoonists, and the filmaker from the Netherlands that was murdered.
“Christians/Catholics” don’t do that.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 6:59pm@ NZKIWI- The religious bigot and savior is back, and this time he’s a victim. You said: “He quotes me as saying “Attention Blazers” which I did not say, and then attacks me for saying what I did not say.”
Oh no, you did not want the Blazers attention, you wanted the attention of The Huffington Post readers or maybe The O’Reilly Factor viewers, or how about Rush Limbaugh’s listeners. No you weren’t interested in the Blazers.
I see that you didn‘t forget to remind the sheeple about that taqiyya thing because we know they can’t spot it themselves: “This is another taqiyya tactic.”
The Qur’an does confirm some things that are true in the Bible however, there is nothing in the Qur’an that is taken directly from the Bible. The Qur’an is the oldest religious book in the world, at 1400 years old. It has never been changed or altered. The Old Testament you have today is not the same as when Moses and Jesus walked the earth and the New Testament has been altered, and the oldest version in existence is the KJV, and it’s only 400 years old.
So, whatever you have in the Bible could have come from the Qur’an that is why you might see some similarities.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:18pm@ NZKIWI- Not all Muslims are out to kill Salman Rushdie, some Muslims are, the majority are not. Are Christians out drinking cyanide laced drinks because Jim Jones said so. Or maybe they are out trying to catch a ride on the next comet that comes through, or committing suicide when they see comets like those Hale Bopp Heavens Gate idiots.
Maybe they are holed up in a compound somewhere waiting for the Federal government to kick in the door like David Koresh.
Or maybe you guys are out playing with those snakes.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 8:49pmThank you very much, Surhan, for helping me to make my point. Some people may have doubted me if it were not for your assistance.
As you are now increasingly reducing your responses to insulting remarks, I shall bow out of this debate.
Thanks again for your help.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 9:07pm@ NZKIWI- You accuse me of lying (taqiyya) but you’re the victim?! I don’t think so. If you cant take the heat, get the freak out of the kitchen!
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:16pmTo NZKIWI – Exactly where did I say there was a commonality between Islam & Abrahamic religions,the only mention I made was – +JESUS+GOD+ promised Abraham & Sarah their children were of the Promise,the Jewish people are the chosen of +JESUS+ the Gentiles are the children of the Promise,I have no idea what you are talking about,I am a Judeo Christian maybe you should reevaluate before you accuse.Peace Out
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 1:40am@ Christos
I didn’t write that very well.
What I meant was Surhan is trying to develop a commonality, not you. He was talking with you at the time.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:43amVerses showing the plurality of God in the Old and New Testaments….
The Bible teaches a plurality within the Godhead in both the Old and New Testaments. It is these verses, in part, that lay down the foundation for the doctrine of the Trinity.
Plurality of God in the Old Testament
Gen. 1:26, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’”
Report Post »Angels do not create.
We are not made in the image of angels
There is no place in the OT where a leader refers to himself with the term “us.”
Gen. 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever -’”
Gen. 11:7, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
Gen. 19:24, “Then the Lord [YHWH] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord [YHWH] out of heaven.”
Psalm 45:6-7, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom. 7Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee.”
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:44amcont….
This is quoted in Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son He [God] says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.”
The Jehovah’s Witness Bible has it translated as “God is thy Throne forever and ever…” But, God would not be a throne for anyone. A king sits upon a throne and God sits on His throne, not anyone else on God as a throne.
Isaiah 6:8, “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!’”
Report Post »Isaiah 48:16, “Come near to Me [God], listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
Amos 4:10-11, “I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord [YHWH]. 11“I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand snatched from a blaze; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord.”
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:45amPlurality of God in the New Testament
Matt. 3:16-17, “And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, 17and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
Report Post »Matt. 28:19, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,”
Note that there is one name and three persons.
1 Cor. 12:4-6, “Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.”
“Lord” here is probably Jesus. See next verse.
2 Cor. 13:14, “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.”
Eph. 4:4-6, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.”
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:46amcont….
1 Pet. 1:2, “according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure.”
Report Post »Jude 20-21, “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.”
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:49amIn Islam, a Muslim who commits murder and thievery can ask Allah for forgiveness and receive that forgiveness without Allah exercising any punishment whatsoever. There are undoubtedly situations where Muslims have committed grievous sins, have not been caught, and have later sincerely repented before their God, have asked forgiveness, and (theoretically) been forgiven. We ask, where is Allah’s exercise of judgment upon the sin that was committed?
According to Islam, Allah may forgive that person — if he so chooses. But, doesn’t that mean the righteous judgment of Allah is not satisfied? Doesn’t it mean that the sin has essentially been ignored by forgiving it and that the Law of God, though broken, has resulted in no punishment? Is this just, not to exercise punishment for the sins committed? It is not. No, for we have already established that punishment is the proper and righteous response to sin. Declining to punish is to avoid satisfying the law of God.
Therefore, since we can rationally propose a situation where the God of Islam will forgive a Muslim without there being punishment according to law, we can conclude that the God of Islam is unjust. If Allah is unjust, then he is not the true God.
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:49amIn Christianity, every sin is dealt with by God in one of two ways. Either God satisfies the law by exercising his punishment upon the sinner by sending him to eternal damnation, or, he places the sins of the person on Jesus Christ who suffers the punishment in place of the person. Either way, the justice of God is never ignored. It is proper that sin be dealt with by a punishment relative to the sin. To neglect to do so is to avoid being just.
Therefore, we see that the God of Christianity is just because no sin goes unpunished. After all, the Bible describes God as being holy and righteous. His standard of holiness is so great that all sin must be dealt with properly. The Law, which is a reflection of God’s holy character and nature, is not to be violated without consequence. The consequence of all sin is death.
The only way for us to escape the righteous and holy judgment of God is to receive the sacrifice of Christ made on our behalf where he bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). There is no other way… except, that is, to pay for your sins yourself in hell forever.
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:56amAnyone can make any group look bad through selective quotes. Each religious group has elements of its history it wishes it could ignore. The Crusades, right or wrong, were a retaliation against the Islamic Jihad that was sweeping through Europe. The Inquisition, on the other hand, is a perfect example of what happens when a religious group (the Roman Catholic Church) gets in power and tries to root out heretics and blasphemers. Islam is no different.
The Islamic run country of Pakistan (No. 9 above) has anti blasphemy laws where the punishment for speaking blasphemy against Muhammad and the Qur’an is death. Islamic run Sudan has already killed, and still is killing, millions of people, mainly Christians, in its own country in addition to making many of them slaves. (No. 12 above). It is these kinds of facts that cannot be ignored and should not be ignored. Muslim and Christian alike should be very concerned.
I do not know if other Muslim countries are condemning the actions of these Islamic nations that so easily violate human rights. But, when the Qur’an advocates Holy War, when the very sayings and deeds of their beloved Prophet Muhammad advocate Jihad, and when we see some Islamic nations killing non Muslims — because they are not Muslims — how can we not be worried about what they would do if they had control of the world….as is their goal?
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:57amHere in the States, Muslims enjoy freedom of religion and expression. Such freedoms for Christians are basically non existent in many Islamic nations. Is that right?
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:01amA Comparison between Jesus and Muhammad
Report Post »The Muslims revere Mohammed as the greatest of prophets, yet Jesus clearly demonstrated greater authority, teaching, and miracles than Mohammed ever did. Why would anyone want to follow Mohammed over Jesus when Jesus claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, said he alone was the truth, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead himself and Mohammed did none of these things. However, Mohammed did have people killed, spread his religion through war, married a very young girl and had relations with her when she was nine years of age, and taught hatred of Jews and Christians.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:06amJesus / Muhammad
Death- Jesus died and rose from the dead. Muhammad died and stayed dead.
Fighting- Jesus never fought. Muhammad fought many many times
Hearing from God- When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15). When Muhammad heard from God (supposedly through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)
Identity- Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man.
Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Muhammad claimed to be a man.
Instructions Received- Jesus received instructions from God the Father (John 5:19) Muhammad received instructions allegedly from an angel.
Killing- Jesus never killed anyone. Muhammad killed many.
Life- Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it. Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.
No one ever died in Jesus’ presence. Many people died in Muhammad’s presence — he killed them.
Marriage- Jesus never married. Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl.
Ministry- Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17).
Jesus received his commission in the daylight. Muhammad allegedly received it from an angel (Gabriel).
Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:09amcont…
Ministry Length- Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years. Muhammad taught for more than 20 years.
Miracles- Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead. Muhammad’s only alleged miracle was the Quran.
Prophecy- Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).
Sacrifice- Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.
Sin- Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22) Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)
Slaves- Jesus owned no slaves Muhammad owned slaves.
Virgin Birth- Jesus was virgin born. Muhammad was not virgin born.
Voice of God- Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11) Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.
Women- Jesus spoke well of women. Muhammad said women were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.
There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:15amif Moses and Jesus were both Muslims, why are Muslims trying to so hard to wipe their descendants off the face of the earth?
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:21pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- You said: “In Islam, a Muslim who commits murder and thievery can ask Allah for forgiveness and receive that forgiveness without Allah exercising any punishment whatsoever.”
“According to Islam, Allah may forgive that person — if he so chooses. But, doesn’t that mean the righteous judgment of Allah is not satisfied? Doesn’t it mean that the sin has essentially been ignored by forgiving it and that the Law of God, though broken, has resulted in no punishment?”
“Is this just, not to exercise punishment for the sins committed? It is not. No, for we have already established that punishment is the proper and righteous response to sin. Declining to punish is to avoid satisfying the law of God.”
“Therefore, since we can rationally propose a situation where the God of Islam will forgive a Muslim without there being punishment according to law, we can conclude that the God of Islam is unjust. If Allah is unjust, then he is not the true God.”
My question to you Heartitorleavit is, what was Paul’s occupation before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus?
Saul of Tarsus hated Christians. He made it his goal to capture, then bring Christians to public trial and execution. Saul was present when the first Christian martyr (named Stephen) was killed by an angry mob. (Acts 7.57 to 8:1).
After Stephen was martyred, Saul went door to door in Jerusalem finding people who believed that Jesus is the Messiah.
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:27pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- “Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison” (Acts 8:3).
After putting these people in prison, Saul learned about their Christian friends in Damascus by somehow getting letters from the prisoners.
“I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished” (Acts 22:4-5).
But something happened to Saul as he traveled to Damascus in search of Christians. According to Saul of Tarsus, God appeared to him in an unexpected way.
“About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, `Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ ” `Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “`I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me. ” `What shall I do, Lord?’ I asked. ” `Get up,’ the Lord said, `and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.’ My companions led me by the hand into Damascus, because the brilliance of the light had blinded me” (Acts 22:6-11).
(more examples)
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:55pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- The Woman Caught in Adultery:
The Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. When they kept on questioning Him He straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” (John 8:3-8)
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Solomon The Wise 1000 Wives:
But King Solomon loved many foreign women, as well as the daughter of Pharaoh: women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians, and Hittites; from the nations of whom the LORD had said to the children of Israel, “You shall not intermarry with them, nor they with you. Surely they will turn away your hearts after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love. And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.
In the examples I’ve given you, none of the individuals paid a price for their sins.
Report Post »christos
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:59pmTo NZKIWI – Please accept my apology my mistake I misread your post,SurhamSurham would literally remove my head,,,I read your posts I agree with them also interesting about the technique you mentioned they/friendly folks use,,anyway Post on Chap…
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:26pmI ask again surhan- if Moses and Jesus were both Muslims, why are Muslims trying to so hard to wipe their descendants off the face of the earth?
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religi
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 11:53pmTo SURHANSURHAN – I understand why you have a problem with the word Begat for some it may be tough to play second fiddle to King Davids Lineage,,,+JESUS+GOD+ created everything but not everyone is +JESUS+GODS+ children you have to be born again & sealed with the +HOLY SPIRIT+ surely when +JESUS+ comes back +HE+ will explain all of this to you or perhaps +JESUS+ will have King David return the favor.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:17pmI watched this and enjoyed it very much. This is a wonderful program for young people to watch and learn some values. Jeff Foxworthy is always good in everything he does.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:04pmTime to learn how my DVR works
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:05pmHa–yes. You’re going to love how it will save you all kinds of time being able to forward through all the commercials, too! Enjoy—
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:49pmWell that‘s certainly not good if you’re a lib. As one liberal commented on the abortion issue, “I’d rather trust modern science than a 2000 year old book. That’s another thing…liberals are so disrespectful yet tout themselves as so diverse.
RR – 2012 – Because our moral fiber needs to be returned to this great land!
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:38pmHollywood is just digging their own hole deeper, because Jesus will not blame some people for the gutters they fall into. Furthermore when Jesus returns he will literally be able to literally perform miracles. Case in point Moses didn’t actually part the H2O “The Red Sea” but that he parted the spirit of peoples, but when Jesus returns he will literally be able to part the Atlantic ocean if he so chose.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:33pmYou need to get a clue. The Red Sea was parted and history already proved it.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 1:25am@ITSJUSTTIM
You seem to be wise in your own conceit, wouldn’t you agree?
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 9:09amTake your meds tim
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:36pmGod will honor those who honor Him!
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:35pmHere’s a question I wish they would ask on this show. When the followers of Jesus asked him who is Elias, Jesus said John the Baptist is Elias. When they asked John the Baptist are you Elias, John the Baptist said “I AM NOT.”
Whose lying, John the Baptist or Jesus?
Matthew 17:12-13 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
13Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Here‘s John the Baptist’s response to the question:
John 1:20-21 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Jesus says this about John the Baptist:
Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater person than John the Baptist.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:46pmDoes your dad say unto you that he is also your granddaddy? No, but the spirit of your granddaddy is in your father – furthermore a father should know that thing, but your father wouldn’t tell his son “I’m you grandaddy.” Furthermore if John the Baptist confirmed himself as Elias then people would challenge Elias. And another thing is that Elias did confirm [to their lack of understanding] that John the Baptist was also in fact none other than Esau additionally. That‘s why John the Baptist called himself Esa’-ias in John 1:23.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:57pmI don’t think the game show will tell you that thing.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:02pmJesus did not lie and John did not lie; you just don’t know the scriptures. That’s all.
This was told to Elijah’s mother, before his birth, “And he shall go before him IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:08pm@ WATERSRPEOPLE- With all due respect, your response is gibberish. Christians say that Jesus is God. John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit while he was still in his mother’s womb. Both men would have known if this was some sort of trick to trip them up.
The way it stands now, they both look like liars.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:17pmSurhanSurhan,
Report Post »Oh wow well then I guess I should listen to your astounding logic and reason, especially since you said they [John the Baptist and Jesus Christ] look like liars.
watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:22pmSurhanSurhan,
Report Post »And actually John the Baptist is part of the Holy Spirit so therefore he “Didn’t receive the Holy Spirit” but that he came in the Holy Spirit.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:34pm@Surhan
Report Post »Elias is the Greek for Elijah. Most of the New Testament is written in Greek,& Aramaic. I know you know that. But it says that IF the people would have accepted the teachings of John The Baptist who was the front runner for Jesus Christ, then John the Baptist would have been Elijah. But the people beheaded John the Baptist so Elijah came in the spirit of John the Baptist.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:46pm@ COMMONCENTS5- Wouldn’t John the Baptist have known that he was in the spirit of Elias, since he was guided by the Holy Spirit while he was still in his mother’s womb?
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:50pmTo SURHANSURHAN – +JESUS+ is +GOD+ in the flesh,there is +JESUS+GOD+HOLY SPIRIT+ the 3 are the same.
Report Post »steveh931
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:05pmHave you ever read Mark Chapter 9 in its entirety. Neither was dishonest, the answer is there, but you will have to find it.
Start with Luke 1: 5-38, The birth of John the Baptist foretold, Verse 17 is a nice clue.
Proceed to 1st Kings 17.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:05pm*I meant to say,
This was told to John’s mother, before his birth…
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:07pm@ CHRISTOS- Did Jesus claim to be God?
Report Post »steveh931
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:12pmJesus claimed and is the Son of God.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:14pmTo SURHANSURHAN – Yes,stated “I am” but if you don‘t believe you won’t listen,,,go to Les Feldick Bible Studies.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:17pm@ STEVEH931- How can the Christian God say John the Baptist is something and when John the Baptist is asked are you that thing that God said you are, he says “No, I am not”?!
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:24pm@ STEVEH931- All of us are children of God and children of the most high.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:29pmTO SURHANSURHAN – +JESUS+GOD+ did not give anyone the Spirit of Fear,Confusion,Doubt which all hold hands they feed in to each other,when attempting to understand something you don’t send doubt you send the spirit of Wisdom to answer – when fear knocks at the door you send Faith/Trust in the +JESUS+ to answer it.Your Spiritual eye may be a bit cloudy.TA
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:34pm@SURHANSURHAN
Please go to the scriptures I have directed you to in previous posts and it will all make sense. Jesus is the Son of God and sits on a thrown at the right hand of God. The twelve disciples also sit in heaven waiting to judge those of the twelve tribes of Israel. The Trilogy is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Does the Holy Ghost live within you? Many that passed, have been filled with the Holy Ghost and now serve our Father in heaven. Jesus has said, “Only the Father knows when the end of time will come”.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:37pm@ CHRISTOS- What role does common sense play? My common sense tells me that Jesus cannot have been God. Jesus ate food and drank water therefore, he cannot be God.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:45pmJohn 1:23 is being taken out of context here. What was being said had nothing to do with John being Esais, but John saying Jesus is Esaius and not himself. This verse has Nothing to do with John calling Jesus or Jesus saying John is God.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:56pm@ FEDUPV2- You’re wrong too. The Greek word “Esaius” is the English word Isaiah. Here’s a different translation of the same verse:
John 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet. (American Standard Version)
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:01pmTo SURHANSURHAN – +JESUS+ is +GOD+ born in the flesh +JESUS+ was not conceived carnal he was conceived by the +HOLY SPIRIT+ ,+JESUS – GOD – HOLY SPIRIT + are separate but yet the same,,+JESUS+ is DIVINE,,,+JESUS+ will set up +HIS+ government out of Jerusalem when +HE+ returns.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 4:29pm@ CHRISTOS- So, the answer is no, Jesus did not claim to be God.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:03pmTo SURHANSURHAN – No the answer is yes +JESUS+ is +GOD+ — +JESUS – GOD – HOLY SPIRIT + are the same.The scripture says ” If you have seen +JESUS+ you have seen +GOD+ ” only 1 reference to +JESUS+ being the SAME as +GOD+ YES +JESUS+ is +GOD+ no one has ever seen +GOD+ but they have seen +JESUS+ +GOD+ is a fire.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:19pm@ CHRISTOS- Jesus is not claiming to be God. He‘s saying if you have seen the miracles that I’ve performed you have seen the father. Which is a reference to the book of Acts 2:22.
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:20pm@SURHANSURHAN –
Either you are unsaved and therefore can not understand the Scriptures properly
I Corinthians 2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Or, you are a very immature Christian …
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 5:35pm@ BBYRDHOUSE- How about just answering the question. Don’t attack the messenger.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:31pmTo SURHANSURHAN – No you are wrong +JESUS+ is +GOD+ Genesis 1:1 +JESUS+ is the manifestation in the flesh of the +CREATOR GOD+ Genesis 1:1 shows that +CHRIST+ as we know +HIM+in the New Testament was the +CREATOR+ of the Old Testament.John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the word and thw word was with +GOD+ all things were made by +HIM+ and without +HIM+ not anything made was made.John 1:14 And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.Exodus 3:6 – 13-14 +JAHWEH+ word means I am. Exodus 6:2,3 +JEHOVAH means Eternal,Pre Existent.the word +JEHOVAH+ is 2 Hebrew words 1.) JAHWEH word for “I Am” 2.) NAVAH means to be revealed +I AM+ means to be more and more revealed to mankind.Collossians 1:15 Triune +GOD HEAD+ GOD the Father+GOD the Son+GOD the Holy Spirit+. +JESUS+ is +GOD+ in the flesh.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 6:34pm“And the LORD appeared unto [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre… And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground… And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat… And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.” Genesis 18
“And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.” Exodus 24:11
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not… Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?… And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was… And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God.” John 1; 14; 17; 20
“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” Matthew 1:23
God was manifest in the flesh, and dwelt among us. The Son was in the Father, and the Father in the Son.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:30pm@ CHRISTOS- If Jesus is God how come he didn’t know when the last day is?
Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son (Jesus is referring to himself), but only the Father.
Knowledge is part of God. He knows everything. Jesus is saying he does not know, therefore, he cannot be God.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 7:46pm@ COLT1860- If Jesus is God, who is he talking to when he said:
Matthew 27:46 At about three o’clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?“ which means ”My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”
Was he talking to himself?
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:02pmSurhan, I posted a response above, where you asked the question elsewhere. Forgive the duplicate post, there are three parts, not 4. I accidental sent one twice.
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Posted on August 25, 2012 at 11:40pm@SurhanSurhan You’re seriously ignorant of the Holy scriptures. The Father, Word and Holy Spirit are one in nature, divinity and existence. The Father is not the Word, but is one with the Word. A divine unity no one else can claim. As the Father sends his Spirit into our bodies to dwell in us, and claims that HE is in us, so the Father sent his Son down to earth to dwell among us, and claimed that HE was among us. The Father and the Son are one.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us… I and my father are one… I proceeded forth and came from God… all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father… Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father… And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was… Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God… Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:25amThere are other sons, but none begotten of the Father. Only Jesus was capable to reveal and declare the Father unto us, as he was from the Father, and one with the Father.
For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us. 1 John 3:2
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. Ephes. 3:9
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim. 3:16
[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God (the Father), the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Coloss. 1:16-17
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:26amSURHANSURHAN… The Mystery of the Trinity is a paradox. God is One; “Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad.“ ”שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד.” ”Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.” God is also Three in One. The Father is His own, as is the Son, and the Holy Spirit. One does not dominate the other, but each is distinct in nature and in full union with the other, which is similar to the understanding of hypostasis of Jesus (being fully divine and fully human in perfect unison). God, upon His inception of Himself, manifested Himself as Creator, Created and the perfect Love which is expressed between the two to the point of having It’s own nature.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:39am@SURHANSURHAN,
@ STEVEH931- How can the Christian God say John the Baptist is something and when John the Baptist is asked are you that thing that God said you are, he says “No, I am not”?!
I’m going to try this one more time. John the Baptist was born unto Elisabeth who had been barren for many years, (unable to give birth). A angel by the name of Gabriel visited her and her husband (Zechariah) explaining to both that Elisabeth would conceive a child and they would call him John.
When Elisabeth was with child for six months Gabriel ascended upon Nazareth and spoke unto Mary and Joseph giving them Gods will pertaining to the child Mary would give birth to, and his name would be Jesus.
John never claimed to be Elijah, God never said John was Elijah, and Jesus never called John Elijah.
The disciples while watching Jesus speaking to Elijah and Moses on the high mountain took Elijah to be John the Baptist. At this meeting God spoke to everyone present from the clouds above saying, “This is my son; hear him.
Which takes us back to Luke 1:16-17
16) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17) And he shall go before him in spirit and power of Elijah to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Spirit and Power of Elijah does not mean John is Elijah.
When Jesus said Elijah had already come he was speaking of the profit
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:10am@ COLT1860- You said: “There are other sons, but none begotten of the Father.” I take exception to this. You must not have read:
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
God said this to David 100 years before Jesus was born.
You said: “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. Ephes. 3:9″
Did Jesus say I created the heavens and the earth and all that is between? Jesus’ followers, and his enemies for that matter, were always misunderstanding everything he said and did, so there’s no doubt that some of the writers of some of the books of the Bible did think that Jesus created everything, but did Jesus say he did?
You said: “[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God (the Father), the firstborn of every creature:”
Exodus 4:22 ….Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Jeremiah 31:9 ….for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
How can there be 2 or 3 firstborn sons?
1 John 5:7 has been thrown out of the Bible by 32 Christians scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 different denominations of Christian Churches as a fabrication. They say Jesus did not teach Trinity.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 11:38am@ PAXINVERITATE- You said: “God is One; “Shema Yisrael Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad.“ ”שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד.” ”Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.””
I accept this statement. This statement was given by Moses to his people 1400 years before the birth of Jesus. Jesus gave the same statement to his people without the changing of a jot or tittle.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Prophet Muhammad comes along 600 years after the advent of Jesus and says the same thing when he is questioned by non Muslims (Jews/Christians) about his concept of God. He is made to say:
Say: He is Allah,The One and Only.”Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.”He begets not, nor is He begotten.And there is none like unto Him.” [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
As you can see, this is the same message that has been given for over 2000 years. There’s no such thing as a Trinity taught by Jesus Christ in the Bible.
1 John 5:7 has been thrown out of the Bible by 32 Christians scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 different denominations of Christian Churches as a fabrication. They say Jesus did not teach Trinity.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:19pm@ STEVEH931- I don‘t have a clue about the message you’re trying to convey here. You said: “John never claimed to be Elijah, God never said John was Elijah, and Jesus never called John Elijah.”
The writer said that they UNDERSTOOD Jesus was talking about John the Baptist.
You said: “The disciples while watching Jesus speaking to Elijah and Moses on the high mountain took Elijah to be John the Baptist. At this meeting God spoke to everyone present from the clouds above saying, “This is my son; hear him.”
How could the disciples take Elisa to be John the Baptist, when John the Baptist lived in their community and they knew what John the Baptist looked like? If Jesus is talking to Moses and Elisa, when God said “this is my son, hear him” who was God talking about…Jesus, Moses or Elisa? and if the disciples were confused about who Elisa was or looked like, wouldn’t they also be confused as to who God was talking about like I am right now?
The Bible ascribes sons by the tons to God. We are all children of God. Your own Bible speaks about this:
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods (this small “g” god means a godly person/people); and all of you are children of the most High.
You said: “When Jesus said Elijah had already come he was speaking of the profit”
What’s a “profit”?
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:12pmTo SURHANSURHAN – Now I see what troubles you – the Blood of +JESUS+ at the cross it covers everyone’s sin from the beginning of time until the end of time,the Blood covenant knowing +JESUS+GOD+ died for our sins & redeemed us through the cross at Cavalry +JESUS+ conquered Death,Hell & the grave +JESUS+ is the Lamb of +GOD+ JESUS+ is the Rock +GOD+ is building +HIS+ Kingdom on,,,+JESUS+ is the Lion of Judah,,,you have a problem with Jewish & Gentiles,,no the jewish people are the chosen people of +GOD+ the Gentiles are the children of the Promise made to Abraham & Sarah not Hagar I personally know +JESUS+ HE+ wants to save everyone he does not cut peoples heads off that do not believe in +HIM+ +JESUS+ does not stone homosexuals to death or adulterer’s +JESUS+ does not Force +HIS+ will on anyone,anyone who accepts +JESUS+ as their Savior all of their sin is covered by +JESUS+GOD’S+ Blood they are sealed with the +HOLY SPIRIT+ .+GOD+ sent +HIS+ only begotten +SON+ for who so ever beliveth in +HIM+ shall not perish but have ever lasting life,,,+JESUS+ will come back & King David will run everything out of Jerusalem you can not stop the Prophetic words of the Living +GOD+ JESUS+.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 7:51pm@ CHRISTOS- You’ve been brain-washed into believing that a man can die for the sins of the world. He cannot. A God cannot die for the sins of the world. Your Bible supports what I’m saying:
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Ezekiel 18:20-22 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Because our father and mother Adam and Eve sinned does not mean God will hold the rest of us accountable. Adam didn’t ask me if he should eat from the forbidden tree. So, why would God hold me accountable? A Merciful God wouldn’t do that! Couldn’t do that!
This, my brother (and I‘m going to assume you’re a guy because of your handle) is Islam in a nutshell. Don’t be faithless!
1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
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Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:31pmThere is nothing I can say that is not already stated by testimony through the Apostles as to Jesus’ own words and verified by the Holy Spirit. If you so desire not to accept that it is between you and Him. But know that He will give a warning that will testify of his authority very soon. The prophesies of the Books of Daniel, Enoch and Revelation are coming to pass in our time.
These following passages reveal the Truth of The Godhead.
Mark 1:9-11: New International Version (NIV)
“9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
John 10:25-30: New International Version (NIV)
Report Post »“25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
PaxInVeritate
Posted on August 26, 2012 at 10:43pmJohn 15:26: New International Version (NIV):The Work of the Holy Spirit
“26 “When the Advocate [Paraclete in ancient Greek- παράκλητος; Parakletos means literally, "one who is called or appealed to" (from para-kalein, "to call to one's assistance")] comes, whom I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.”
John 16:7: New International Version (NIV)
“7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.”
John 20:22: English Standard Version (ESV)
Report Post »“22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.”
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Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:27pmI ask again surhan- if Moses and Jesus were both Muslims, why are Muslims trying to so hard to wipe their descendants off the face of the earth?
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:29pmThat would be like unto doing a game show about the U.S Constitution, but without people having the understanding that in 1776 it was common for people to not only have rifles, but they also had cannons. Because anything used to defend is ‘Arms.’ So say in 10 more years people believe the “Right to bear Arms” means they can own a kitchen knife only – then a game show about the Second Amendment would cement in the mind’s of people “Kitchen knife” as the understanding of the Second Amendment.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:21pm…Boosh!….
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:20pmWhen television sanctions a subject it becomes not so important to the minds of people as it becomes entertainment. I always knew Jeff Foxworthy was a snake.
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:18pmI don’t know about that…..jack Van Impe seems to be doing a good job preaching the word of God on TV……I think the mistake you are making is not realizing that most stuff on TV today was already trash beforehand…..Trash is trash no matter where u see it……I don’t know much about Foxworthy…he calls himself a born again Christian…..Lets just hope he isn‘t a Rick Warren type Christian where the belief in Jesus isn’t all that important…Whether he is the son of God,a Muslim prophet or just a really cool guy with some good ideas it doesn’t matter….the important thing is to fill my church and my collection plate…sadly a lot of people are buying into this garbage.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:16pmAmerica is an American Nation.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:05pmTruer words have never been spoken….I think.
Report Post »sgtbrown01
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:08pmAnd Obummer said we ae not a Christian Nation…lookslike he was wrong again…..no surprizes there he has been wrong from day one
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:20pmAnd I’m still clinging onto my bible and guns. I will be, and everyone else SHOULD carry their bibles to the Polls in November…. The Liberal media won’t even have to waste their money on exit polls, they’ll know how bad Romney and Ryan will be beating Obama and the Dufus. Imagine the Photo Op that would be, when 70% of Americans walk out of the polls carrying a Bible? :)
Report Post »AU Patriot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:06pmRandy,
How about a Bible in one hand and the Constitution in the other hand. That would really drive them crazy! :-)
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:05pmHope it’s success drives atheists even more nuts. Congrats to GSN.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:23pmI’m quite certain that thinking Atheists really enjoy that the Bible has been made into a game show.
Report Post »Chi-Fawn
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:56pmHaving a faith-based program of any kind on secular television is a huge gamble but it’s great to know things are slowly turning around. Maybe the American Bible Challenge just like Little People, Big World(TLCs biggest draw program about a Christian family that was on for five years)will be the beginning of a trend toward real family entertainment.
Report Post »JustJP
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:56pmI wonder if Obama will be watching this with his kids.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:08pmI think Barry is seeing his Dream FROM his father .. slipping away at break neck speed … Thank You God!
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:23pmobama wouldn’t watch a Christian show like this! No way in H-ll! LOL! He’d instead watch himself running around and yelling allah akbar. If anyone questions this, here ya go: http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/democrats-host-radical-muslims-at-charlotte/ So one needs only to look at the Democraps and look at who they hang around with! Would it surprise you to know the Left is tied into islam, and with people who want to replace our Govt. and Constitution with Sharia? Yep people, the right seems to think that this would not and could not ever be. So why then do we have an article about muslims Front and Center in the Democrap party?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/obama-to-palestinians-delay-statehood-until-election-over/
If that doesn’t make your day, this will! Why would anyone believe a Liar and Chief; that he wants to watch over Israel and protect them? Like I said, obama doesn’t watch TV like this! He’d rather watch himself, or Terrorists Blowing themselves up! LOL I can see him sitting down after his muslim prayers at night and saying to himself, WOW, that was inspiring! One day islam will rule the world! Or hey “he calls up the FCC and says to them; take that Christian Show off the air” Is sheds a bad light on Sharia and islam! LOL, What a hoot! Michelle wants you to know, she’s not reducing kids lunches! She’s getting them ready for islam/101 where you starve yourself all day for rahmadan!
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:30pmCatb, what can you expect when he gets his info from “the father of all lies” Satan? That’s what his New Book should be titled! LOL
Report Post »piper60
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:52pmReally enjoyed the show, although I am glad I wasn’t a contestant. I did pretty good Until the final round. I need to read the Old Testament, clearly.
Report Post »terigodmother
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:48pmKey words here are fun, family friendly and non-offensive. The cultural revolution has begun!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:55pmI recorded it. Can’t wait to watch it!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:06pmAmen to that .. Chick-fil-A buycott … the movie 2016 sets records and now this … America is AWAKE!
Report Post »stumpy68
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GoodStuff
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:47pmWhen will these tv channels realize there is a huge untapped market of Christian conservatives in this country. Yet, instead of catering to this market and making a crap load of money, they continue to feed us reality shows about washed up, narcissistic celebrities.
Maybe they’re finally, slowing waking up to this fact; but you know these Los Angeles leftists hate it when they have to make shows like this. They know it’ll make money, but they have to force themselves to go thru with it.
Duck Dynasty!
Report Post »hi
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:53pmI agree!
Report Post »AU Patriot
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:09pmI love Duck Dynasty. It it hilarious but I know it is family friendly.
Report Post »BruceB
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:47pm1st
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:53pmNot even close.
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:10pmYour computer’s too slow. I have the same problem.
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:11pmOr maybe I’m too slow.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:07pmIs this Bruce P in disguise? He enjoys stealing the spotlight.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:46pmI hope they learn that a lot of Americans are very, very tired of sex and violence. Great to learn they had a larger than expected audience. Lets hope they provide the public with more wholesome programs.
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:19pmYeah except that when Hollywood/ television sanctions a subject, then it becomes down-played and not so important in the minds of the masses.
Report Post »GlennaBeckski
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 12:45pmAnother great opportunity for us all the hear the Truth!! Thanks Jeff! and thank you Lord … Between the awesome billboard in Texas and the 2016 Movie .. I really am feeling some Hope for a change */*
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:20pmAMEN to that!
Report Post »watersRpeople
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 1:22pmDon’t thank the Lord – the Lord doesn’t need TV.
Report Post »finky555
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:44pm@Watersrpeople
You are correct but that does not mean He wouldn’t. He has all our tools at His disposal.
Report Post »christos
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:10pmTo WATERSPEOPLE – No one said the +LORD+ needed T.V. yet the +LORD+ created it for us to enjoy,the +LORD+ does not need anything but we humans do.
Report Post »strewth_cobber
Posted on August 26, 2012 at 12:00amThank God the Father, that He gave people such talents to be able to come with such marvellous inventions such as the television, and that there are some who can actually produce TV programs that can be informative and entertaining. It’s just a shame that there has to be so much useless crap on it, too! Thank God, for the internet, also, as you can pick whatever interest you choose. Good to have some choice in the matter.
Nothing wrong with God using the TV to spread the Word – reaches everywhere across the globe much quicker than snail mail; test the spirits to know that they are of God, as sadly, there are false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).
Report Post »curmudgeon60
Posted on August 26, 2012 at 5:46am@GLENNABECKSKI– The same billboard was put up in Elkhart IN almost 3 weeks ago too! Between TX and the Midwest People are WAKING UP–let’s hope we can keep it going!!
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