American Teens Murdered in Hail of Bullets in Mexican Border Town
- Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:15am by
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Killed: Carlos Mario Gonzalez Bermudez, 16, (right) and Juan Carlos Echeverri, 15
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP/The Blaze) — Three teenage boys were shot to death in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez, at least two of them U.S. citizens and high school students in Texas, authorities said Monday.
The boys were killed at a car dealership in the city across the border from El Paso, Texas, Chihuahua prosecutors’ spokesman Arturo Sandoval said. One was found inside a white Jeep Cherokee and the other two in the courtyard.
There were no leads on suspects or a motive, and witnesses would give no statements, Sandoval said. At least 60 bullet casings were found at the scene.
One of the boys, Carlos Mario Gonzalez Bermudez, 16, was a sophomore at Cathedral High School in El Paso, said Nick Gonzalez, the Roman Catholic brother who is the principal. Another victim, Juan Carlos Echeverri, 15, had been a freshman at the private all-boys Catholic school last year but left to study in Ciudad Juarez, Gonzalez said.
Both were U.S. citizens, he said. The U.S. Embassy in Mexico City said it could provide no immediate information on the case.
The third teenager was identified as Cesar Yalin Miramontes Jimenez, 17.
The school principal said Gonzalez Bermudez mainly lived in Ciudad Juarez and commuted each day across the border. He said 20 percent of the 485 students enrolled at Cathedral are from Ciudad Juarez.
Gonzalez said the school’s sophomore class had a prayer service Monday and officials planned a rosary service for the entire school later in the week.
“It’s a lot of pain, a lot of sorrow, a lot of tears, a lot of coming together as a community to try to hold each other up and to try and make sense today,” Gonzalez said. “How do you make sense of this meaningless tragedy? Hopefully this can really empower us to make a positive change in the border community because their deaths will have no meaning otherwise.”
Many Ciudad Juarez residents travel across the border on a daily basis for work or study. Some Mexicans live in El Paso for safety reasons and commute to Ciudad Juarez.
Ciudad Juarez city has become one of the world’s most dangerous cities amid a fierce turf war between the Sinaloa and Juarez drug cartels. More than 3,000 people were killed last year in the city of 1.3 million residents.
Gonzalez said students at the school have had a number of relatives killed in the violence in Ciudad Juarez, a city that lost 3,000 residents last year alone. A graduate of the school was killed last fall, he said.
“Our Juarez kids knew all three” of the teenagers killed over the weekend, he said. “It’s a very tight knit community. A lot of them car pool; that’s how they know each other.”
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the point
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:57amMore people are killed within five miles of our southern border with Mexico than are killed within five miles of the Korean border , where there are thirty thousand U.S. troops guarding the border there.
Report Post »Helldogger
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:31amComprehensive Immigration Reform:
Report Post »1.) Enforce immigration laws.
2.) Give ICE the same authority as Game Wardens to go after EMPLOYERS & LANDLORDS.
3.) Build an Isreali style fence all along the border.
4.) Put the National Guard where they are supposed to be, at home protectig our borders not around the otherside of the globe.
5. Put all immgration offenders to work on the fence.
6.) Repeal NAFTA & CAFTA.
7.) Don’t allow sherrif dept profit from illegal immigration.
Problem solved.
Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:16amYeah let’s give the Federal Government more authority to run roughshod over legal Americans lives. Think dude think. It is people like you along with libs that has allowed our freedoms to be aroded by the Feds. Whenever you find a problem in front of you NEVER believe the Feds are the solution…..
Report Post »cotech
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:39amI feel there is more to this story then we are being told. Why were they in at a car dealership and why were they singled out in this shooting? Sorry, just trying to connect the dots here.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:19amI was thinking the same. Drug gangs don’t just shoot people because they are bored. Either the kids were being robbed or they were involved in the drug trade…..
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:03pmYeah… crossing the boarder every day… too easy to get involve with something that will kill ya.
There is way more to it story.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:24amObama tells us the border has never been safer. The smartest man in the world wouldn’t lie…….
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:09amI respectfully disagree with your opening premise. We need to do something about America, not Mexico. If we lock down the borders then the “turf” that the gangs are fighting over becomes almost worthless. If the drugs can’t come into the US through Ciudad Juarez, and other border towns, then most of that fighting will stop. The dopers will have to find other ways to deliver their goods and they will. But it won’t be over land and through the border cities.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:01amMexico is in denial that they are in a civil war. It’s been gambling with your life to go to mexico for a long time now. The state department won’t post a warning because of the close ties we have with their government.
Mass murders of college students from Matamoros to Tijuana have not been uncommon over the years. You’d be safer in Egypt.
Report Post »koyettsu
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:00amIt is really time to lock down the border and back it up with a few hundred thousand armed marines. If someone takes a shot we fire back with a tank, if someone throws a grenade we fire back with a predator drone.
Report Post »Jarski
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:00amCykonas
Report Post »I see your point.
Sadly, I also see the other points. And the closer one lives to the boarder, the more pertinent those points are. I believe the citizenship laws should be changed and a few in Congress are breaching the subject. I also strongly believe we should secure our boarder, but neither side seems to do anything about it.
I‘ve read Cheezewhiz’s comments for quite some time and cannot hold his above comments against him. It may seem heartless, but analytically, I agree with him. This has nothing to do with feeling compassion for the families.
cykonas
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:34amJarski, any argument based on unsupported assertions is baseless by definition, so agreeing or disagreeing is, frankly, immaterial. The first assertion of the post that you reference is that the teens were not of the US. (The post has apparently been taken down so I can’t reread it, but I think that’s pretty accurate). Where in the story or the video is that assertion substantiated?
Another example. One part of the post said that US taxpayers subsidized the boys education, among other things. The article says one boy is at a Catholic HS in El Paso, which are usually not government subsidized and the other boy was going to school in Mexico.
So while the poster and you and anyone else are entitled to your own opinion, none of us are entitled to our own facts. My calling the remarks shameless was my opinion. My calling the remarks baseless is a fact. Peace.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:38amBlah blah blah. Just argue points. Stop trying to be a psychoanalyst.
Report Post »Ed.A
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:50amTo be honest as a parent, how could anyone allow the’re child to go into Juarez? I mean I know parents who have children who go to Kandhar but at least they’re trained and armed to the teeth.
The US Military has banned all travel of service memebers across the border for a reason…..take a hint people, it’s a war zone and we are allowed to defend ourselves, stay the Freak away!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:37amThe tragedy is the loss of life for the families of these boys, and for the careless disregard for their lifes by the shooters and their bosses (if it was by a cartel or terror backed group); watch and be prepared for even higher levels of terror across the border, and then the real battle will commense as the HSA and the administration will further do nothing to secure the border.
My prayers go up to the Father for comfort and hope and peace for the families of the youths who are lost so young in their lives.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:34amLooking at this thread it’s no wonder we are frequently labeled bigots. Based on what I read in the article and heard in the video clip I can’t see where any of you got:
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They had US citizenships because US taxpayers paid for their birth in a US hospital @ a border town , followed by a US taxpayer paid school education and God knows how many other benefits.
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They and their families had no loyalties and allegience to America.
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So your pregnant Momma sneaks accross the border and drops you and you are now a Citizen?
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The only purpose of this headline is to elicit a response based on the brutal killing of American teenagers,
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All in all these remarks are shameful and without any factual basis based on the story and the video. People who are reported to be American are dead. We should mourn our collective loss, not make wise cracks about them and their families. And, if you don’t like the citizenship laws then work through the proper legislative channels to change them. But don’t condemn the people who took advantage of the law as it was in the past. I dare say that if the roles were reversed and any of you could have made a better life for your child by crossing a border before they were born you would have done the same thing.
Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:30amNo thanks. They are using our tax dollars to support themselves. If you and other libs feel bad for them then start a non profit to support them. Or give them all your money. We are for rule of law unlike you. If you are “compassionate” and care about these deaths you will start a non profit or give away all your money. Keep your hands out of other peoples pockets.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:41amIf you are so “compassionate” and “caring” start a non profit or give away your time and money to help them. Libs love to point fingers but never actually DO anything themselves. Lipserivice….
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:22pmThe facts are all there for anyone that wants to see them. It is illegal to sneak across the border period.
Report Post »So stop already with the holier than thou “collective” attitude.
Diane TX
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 5:08amNon_Probate_Asset
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 3:43am
Cheezwhiz,
How exactly did YOU become an American Citizen? If I were to guess, I would say the only thing you EVER had to do to be a citizen was to be born here. Why, all of a sudden, is that not good enough?
It is heartbreaking to see people like you turn your back on your fellow countrymen. Equally heartbreaking is your lack of compassion for three murdered children.
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There is a BIG difference in being born in the USA when both your parents are USA citizens (or only one would do) and being born in the USA when both your parents are illegal aliens. I feel sorrow for any child that has been murdered, but I don’t believe that these children belong to the USA.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:16amThe law is the law. I am constantly amused by the “conservatives” in here, and elsewhere, who are 100% for the rule of law when they like the law, but then turn to 100% against the rule of law when they don’t like it. The law says if you are born in the US you are a citizen, period. There is no “BIG DIFFERENCE” in the law that I can see.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:11amConservatives believe in rule of law and the Constitution. The constitution was amended to allow people born in the US become automatic citizens to accommodate freed slaves. Now we are working to have the constitution amended again (like prohibition). The difference between cons and libs is that libs try to subvert laws and the constitution because they know what they want is non constitutional and doesn’t have majority citizen support. Instead of trying to change the constitution to allow the FEDERAL Gov to force people to buy things (since it doesn’t have majority support) they try to go around, under, and over the constitution. Understand better?
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:43am@Nutthuggers
If you believe in the rule of law and the Constitution then you should have no problem with what I posted. The current law of the land says that those born in the US are citizens, period. I don’t disagree that the original intent might have been different than the law is currently being applied. That is a different point all together. It’s also a great case for why we must exercise EXTREME caution before amending the constitution. What might sound good today, may not be so great down the road. It’s called the law of unintended consequences.
I will disagree, however, with your assertion that the cons are any better than the libs when it comes to subverting (your term) the law. Both sides try to change the law, or it’s interpretation, to suit themselves. In my mind the libs and the cons (again, your terms) are all the same. Neither of them cares a whit about the Constitution unless their interpretation of the Constitution happens to agree with their current position. They care about their Party positions and their own interests to the detriment of their constituents and the Constitution.
My original point was based on a poster saying there was a BIG difference if the parents were US born or foreign born. Under the law and the Constitution, that you claim to believe in and uphold, there is NO difference in those two scenarios. The perceived intent that you cite under which the Constitution was amended has nothing to do with it. Now, do you understand any better?
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:06amI am glad to see you understand that the Federal Government can’t force people to buy health insurance without changing the constitution to allow it. Now I see I am getting through to you.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:23am@Nutthugger
Great point, thanks for clearing that up for me???
Mom, did you give him his meds this morning…
Report Post »Supreme Galooty
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:46pmHey NuttHoogers,
Methinks thou art a wondering soul. Speak to me, my brother, and ye shall be reconciled.
Report Post »Paleo Archer
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 5:05amSeems like a electric fence, similar to the one’s we use to keep our “offenders” in our prisons would do the trick….every see one?…don’t think too many people will try to wiggle area those…
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:59amEver see those giant tunnels that mexicans run to private US property? The ones our Gov doesn’t find until they have been used for years. I want the border closed but we have to make sure whatever we do will work.
Report Post »Living In NYC
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:47amThanks Big Sis..our southern border is sooooooooooo safe!
You foolish child-like government offical, I hope….or just maybe you are the biggest liar to hold the top post at Homeland Security!
Report Post »ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:45amOur world’s spiritual state finds a parallel in Acient Jerusalem in the days of Ezekiel and the captivity of “God’s People”.
From the vision given to Ezekiel:
“Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.”
I too sigh and cry for the minds of men which have turned to lawlessness and indiscriminate violence… what a waste of humanity. God help the innocent among us, such as the young victims in this story.
PS CHEEZWHIZ, I COULD GIVE A FLIP WHAT THEIR IMMIGRANT STATUS IS IN THE USA. Does their status give you a pass on feeling some empathy for their parents? If not, then just be aware of how narrow minded and heartless you sound. Beat the damn drum about immigration policy on a story about Janet Napolitano’s incompetence, rather than here. But beyond that You sound like “Mexican kills Mexican…. good!” If that is true, then your soul is in trouble, because GOD Himself takes note of how we treat the Widow and the Orphan and the “Stranger in your Land”.
Exo 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Exo 23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Society IS breaking down around us, and Glenn isn‘t the only one who see’s it.
Eze 9:9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.
Substitute “house of Israel and Judah” above with “the world” and pluralize “cities”, and when you realize that God is Eternal and “Changes Not”, then the consequences of God having to deal with sin himself is chilling:
” Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. ”
” Eze 9:10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.”
What a mix of good and bad this world is! Thanx Eve.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:41pmThank Satan. Eve was naive & enticed & tricked by evil.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:39amLemme put it this way :
Report Post »The headline sensationalizes the information contained in the report.
The only purpose of this headline is to elicit a response based on the brutal killing of American teenagers,
not teenagers in mexico,
not innocent teenagers in a border town of mexico,
but American teens in a Mexican border town .
Anyone who has lived / lives in a border town in USA knows the distinction I am trying to make, between “Americans ” and “ US citizens in mexican border towns” .
Its not about how me or you or these kids got their citizenship, its about the headline which emphasizes the wrong facts of the case.
I know this headline has been going around in multiple outlets so its not Blaze’s fault .
ZeitgeistBuster
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:00amListen, we are being played by government-first types on the immigration/illegal immigration issue.
I explained how Americans are being pushed up against a wall to a Mexican Co-worker, and after I was done, it was like a light bulb lit up in his head… he really got it for the first time.
He asked me why Americans don’t like illegals… was it because they just don’t like Mexicans or other foreigners?
I asked him if he had anything personally against Chinese? NO, of course not.
Ok then, imagine that the Chinese government started flexing it’s diplomatic muscle with Mexico and “persuaded” the officials to look the other way while China “relocated” 8 or 9 million of it’s poorest to Mexico with another 1/2 a million coming each year.
How would you feel if these new “immigrants” to your country started complaining about their human rights, and how Mexico wasn’t allowing them to come out of the shadows, and then they started to demand to be made citizens with the privilidge of voting and interferring in the internal politics of Mexico?
Would you become angry with the Chinese, even though you don’t have anything against Chinese individuals per se? How would you feel with these people coming in who don’t respect your history and your heroes and want to lobby to change your laws to allow even more Chinese to flood in behind them? I think you would be upset with the Chinese in your country because you would feel like they are being used to take it over.
Ah, i see it now… look came over his face.
But I said to him the same thing I say to all of you here, being mad at the Chinese is mis-placed anger. It is government officials with a “One World United” scheme who are doing this to us.
I would rather have a wider front door of fifty thousand a year from Mexico that allows them to arrive with dignity and their head held high, and empowered to rush back for family emergencies etc., than to have half a million and we have no idea of where the hell they came from or what their intentions and attitudes are.
More to say, but you catch my point. Your rants of frustration are understood, but misplaced and will be challenged EVERY TIME they are expressed and I happen to read them.
Not being mean, just being brotherly.
Report Post »stogieguy7
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:57amMy congratulations ZBG, that was an awesome analogy and one that I‘ll remember the next time I have to explain our point of view to someone who is less ’well informed’.
Report Post »Supreme Galooty
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:41pmWell said, mi amigo. And while I concur, I don’t know how to say “I concur” en espanol.
Report Post »Janus
Posted on February 11, 2011 at 1:43amI think Americans are equally PO’d at Barack and co. of thugs, as well as illegals.
Report Post »The distress is not an either or issue.
tbear44
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:32amWhy the U.S. will not protect it’s southern border during a time of war in Mexico is puzzling to say the least. Isn‘t that what our military and Nat’l Guard are for?
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:41amFuture Democrat voters!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:23pmLiberal progressives will do nothing for fear of upsetting their support base. They would sale the country’s future down the river to be re-elected
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:26amSo your pregnant Momma sneaks accross the border and drops you and you are now a Citizen? Wow, then you may be able to become Presidetnt too!
Stop the anchor baby BS.
Report Post »Hollow
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:05amI would never go to Mexico it’s to dangerous.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:56amThe U.S, government is letting the Mexican crime come to you….
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 10, 2011 at 10:19pmBorder towns were always full of crime, but most of Mexico is okay. The further south you go the nicer it is. I went to Cancun and visited the Mayan ruins of the Yucatan last year, and it was a great vacation.
Report Post »Hollow
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 4:04amThe U.S should build a border fence. The U.S can‘t keep solving everyone’s problems. That part of the reason why the U.S has so much debt.
Report Post »CanteenBoy
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 3:58amOver the line, man, way over the line.
Report Post »Non_Probate_Asset
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 3:43amCheezwhiz,
How exactly did YOU become an American Citizen? If I were to guess, I would say the only thing you EVER had to do to be a citizen was to be born here. Why, all of a sudden, is that not good enough?
It is heartbreaking to see people like you turn your back on your fellow countrymen. Equally heartbreaking is your lack of compassion for three murdered children.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 3:02amThe school principal said Gonzalez Bermudez mainly lived in Ciudad Juarez and commuted each day across the border.
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These were not American kids.
They had US citizenships because US taxpayers paid for their birth in a US hospital @ a border town , followed by a US taxpayer paid school education and God knows how many other benefits.
They are not Americans.
They died at the hands of mexicans in mexico. They and their families had no loyalties and allegience to America.
Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:22amGreat observation Cheeze. Makes perfect sense.
Report Post »ARIZONA VETERAN
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:11pmYES you NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »ANewActivist
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 2:49amStop this idiotic war on drugs. Make drugs legal and all these drug wars would go away almost literally overnight.
Report Post »Jarski
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 6:42amActivist
That‘s about the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on here. Your either trying to elicit comments (congrats, here’s one) or you’re a full blown idiot. That’s like saying legalize murder, then we won’t have a murder problem. Think about that for a moment. Now get a job and contribute to society.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:42amYour exactly right Activist. If drugs were sold in licensed drug stores like liquor store there would be no black market, hence no gangs. Jan: take off your blinders. Drugs are something a Individual chooses to put into their body. What gives you the moral authority to tell others what they can and can’t put into their bodies? Murder is a crime against another individual. Murder is not a consenting act by two individuals. This is why murder should be illegal. Understand better? Do you ever see gangs selling homemade liqour, beer, or cigarettes? Mass killings over homemade liqour? No. Because anything that is made legal causes the black market to become obsolete. If all drugs were made legal would we see more addicted people? Possibly, but people should be free to make their own choices about their life, NOT GOVERNMENT. And imagine all of the money that could be reclaimed from the war on drugs, court and jail costs of people having drugs, and all of the lives saved in areas like this. Whatever you think of drugs just compare them to liqour. Free your mind….
Report Post »Bruce_Almty
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:49amNutthuggers…I think they are too tight– cutting off oxygen to ur brain. I can see all the drug users now lieing in the streets. Good thing none of them need medical care from an overdose; all drug related crime has also ceased i presume. And our socialist government will just allow the bodies to pile up in the streets.
Report Post »Good call Nutt…you should chill out at the beach and thrill the girls.
BarCalliyon
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:57amI’m glad you brought up alcahol NUTHUGGER, since after prohibition all the mobs just suddenly quit killing people and went away when they began to legalize it again right? Drugs are only a small part of the problem and if you think legalizing it will make this violence go away you need to rethink things.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:00amWake up Bruce and have an adult argument. If people are high on drugs in public they get arrested for public intoxication just like now. There would not be high people laying all over the street just as there isn’t drunk peole lying all over streets now. Anyone who wants drugs today in America could get anything they want in five minutes. In almost every city and town people could get drugs quicker than they could get alcohol. And you can even buy drugs on Sundays, unlike alcohol where I live. Just because something is illegal doesn‘t mean it isn’t all around you. Get your head out of………the sand.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:03amI am glad to see you Conservatives are so passionate about personal liberty: like individuals being allowed to put in their mouth whatever they want as long as they don’t harm others. No wonder so many Tea Partiers, and Libertarians are distancing themselves from Repubs.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:13amConservatives are no better than Libs when they believe they should use the Federal Government to enforce their perceived moralities on others. Crimes should be what people do unwillingly to others not what they do willingly to themselves.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:31amAsk anyone you know who doesn’t do drugs now if they would start doing drugs if they were made available and legal. I don’t think you will find anyone who would say “Yes”. Anyone who would like to do drugs….does already. Start thinking outside of the box that society has placed you in since elementary school. I used to think the way you do because that is what was drilled into me by educators, parents, and media. It is difficult to get out of the restraints that have been placed on your mind but once you begin thinking independently with logic you really rise above the average thinker.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:32amI am 100% with Nutthuggers on this one. The war (farce) on drugs was lost years ago. I am a conservative through and through but legalizing most drugs is the answer.This expensive cops and robbers game has gone on long enough.I do not smoke or drink alcohol even though both are legal. Use the money saved to educate and help addicts etc. Use the hundreds of billions left over to pay down the national debt. Time to wake up and put these gangs out of business. This violence is all about the drug trade. The cartels look to the youth for recruits to replace killed members and also expand their base of operation.
Report Post »Nutthuggers
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:42amI drink alcohol. I don’t smoke or do any other drugs. I did marijuana, hash, acid, opium, mushrooms, etc…in high school (they are illegla and they were easier for me to get than beer). I believe they are all safer than alcohol but I didn’t like the way they made me feel personally. If I wanted any drugs today I would buy them today. I personally make a choice to drink alcohol but I don’t believe I have the moral authority to tell others what to ingest. I felt so much better about myself once I stopped trying to dictate what others can do to themselves, or what two consenting adults do to each other. It is their life.
Report Post »blue_collar_man
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 10:56amActivist, I wonder what ATF stands for? Alcohol, legal, Tobacco, legal, Firearms, legal. I wonder who it was that stormed the Davidian Compound? If you think suddenly all the problems with drugs will go away, you have better pull your head out of the sand. The problems we have now are miniscule compared with the problems legalization would cause. I can’t swing a cat without hitting someone who has been negatively impacted by an alcoholic.
Report Post »BarCalliyon
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:19amIf it was a perfect world we COULD legalize drugs, but the United States is far from that right now. We no longer hold others responsible for their actions. If we just legalized things right now, what do you honestly think will happen? New government programs will sprout up overnight by progressives that want to “help” those poor people that just cant be held responsible for their drug use. All it will do is allow even more slaves to be born to the system you yourself despise. How about we start small and allow 18 year olds to drink alcahol first and go from there.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:37am@Blue_col………… Drugs are easier for a minor to get than alcohol. Making alcohol illegal would only increase the violence and do nothing to solve the alcoholic problem. If people want to have drugs and booze the market will supply it legal or illegal.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:21pmDid you put a moment of thought into what you just posted or is just wishful thinking for someone who wants better access to drugs.
Report Post »I’m on the fence with maraijuana but highly addictive and mind altering substances be available like beer or liquior would lead to much higher crime,much higher death rates,and a large portion of mentally handicapped community. It’s one of the dumbest things ever said…ever
Billy de Cooper
Posted on February 10, 2011 at 12:33pmANewActivist. You need to stop selling/using so you can understand what is going on dummy.
Report Post »hud
Posted on February 11, 2011 at 11:24amYour supposition is an idiot’s wet dream, Check out the Dutch for results of legal drugs. This is a case of extreme evil, or some fool got a new machine gun and wanted to try it out.
Report Post »Waltermelon
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 2:30amThere is absolutely free reign for terrorists on our southern borders. There is no way to spin this to give Mexican, or US authorities even a fraction of credibility. More people are being murdered than 2 war zones, all civilians, and a tough decision needs to be made very quickly.
It almost seems that there is a concerted effort being made to clear the border towns of civilians. Something is rotten in Denmark, and and powers-that-be on both sides of the border seem to be allowing it to fester and stink.
Report Post »1911a1
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 7:45amYou are right on here .I grew up in the border town of Del Rio. ( i am almost 50) This kind of stuff has been going on there for as long as i can remember. For many years on a much smaller scale. We have been screaming about this , some with their lives , but it only falls on deaf ears. Now we have Islamic terrorists working with the drug cartels. and they are freely walking across our borders and also have control of parts of our country. AND still we do nothing! More people are concerned about the F`ing Superbowl. I moved from there many years ago. It wasn’t safe. Now it is even worse. I think our elected officials ( ha what a joke) wont do anything of substance until it has totally infected most of our country in an irreversible way . America we need to at some point take matters in our own hands. The government is not going to do it (That is painfully obvious) . We need to close the border now ! Whats it going to take ?
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 8:19amSometimes extreme problems require extreme responses. 60 Shells? That’s a free fire assault. Maybe it’s time for the Mexican government to go all Fallujah down there and house to house the place for weapons. Corral suspicious individuals and interrogate them. Build the intelligence base, break the cartels and their control of the neighborhoods. Suspend the aid to Mexico and tell them to clean up the police and Federales if they want to normalize. Militarize the US-Mexican border – fix the illegal immigration problem at the same time.
Well, that won’t happen – there is a distinct absence of real leadership on both sides.
And what’s with all the decapitating down there??
Report Post »Bruce_Almty
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 9:33amThis article must be a mistake or the conservative media crying wolf. Big Sis Janet says our borders have never been safer and the real threat comes from home grown terrorists. Maybe the Unionized TSA will solve the problem.
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gofigureinternational
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:12amAgree Walter…“War on Drugs” has never been a more gross abuse of the English language than the last 10-20 years on the border. If we truly wanted to save this country, we would immediately get control of BOTH borders so we at least knew who was coming and going. The corrupt bunch in Washington has money enough for the BLM to seize land in oil and mineral producing states making it off limits to drilling, but lacks the funds to combat a definite security threat to the U.S. or acquire a wider designated strip that the military could operate within, without violating the policy of martial law. If you did not know better, you would start piecing the intentional weakening of the America economy, increasing our foreign dependence on oil while simultaneously helping strengthen enemies abroad, adding nearly a third to the National Debt in the last 3 years, intentional weakening our relationships with Allies, allowing secrets of America to transfer to enemies, and making our borders porous to incoming terrorists as an intentional effort to bring down the U.S. Good thing we have a Pro Freedom, Patriotic POTUS, surrounded by die hard Pro American Constitutionalists…Yes, I am sure we are safe. Where is the Texas Governor at? Too busy allowing Federal funding of mandatory Arabic language studies in his state I guess. Perhaps we should move those FEMA trailers over from New Orleans to the border and let Congress have meetings there for a while. It would become instantly patrolled then! The elected officials believe they are now an Aristocracy.
Report Post »drawls
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 11:45amObama admin is ignoring the violence because he wants the hispanic vote 2012 and doesn’t want to anger anyone. So what if a few americans die, they wouldn’t have voted for him anyway.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:35pm@gofigureinternational… I do LOVE your last idea.. OBAMA and ALL THE REST .. NO SECURITY.. give them a gun maybe they will learn the value of defending ones self..
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on February 9, 2011 at 12:42pm@BarCalliyon.. We ALREADY have LEGAL drugs.. doctors are passing them out like candy.. WAIT if OBAMA CARE does go through our WHOLE country will be high… making it harder to wake people up.. I know people who are on either, and, or, ANTIDEPRESSANTS, ANTIDEPRESSANT BOOSTERS (cause the anti depressants aren’t doing a good enough job), these have the same effect as POT some even give you an increased appetite..pain pills from Oxicotton on..all LEGAL.. 1/2 of Americans or MORE are on LEGAL mind altering drugs.. with the blessing of our government since they can get them on MEDICAID for FREE.. the ones coming over the border are recreational drugs.. you know just for snicks UNLESS you die from an overdose or get hooked than the laughter goes out of them..
Report Post »hud
Posted on February 11, 2011 at 11:32amIf they clear the towns, we can send in the drones and solve the problem. I‘d say the boys should have stayed out of Mexico but they didn’t no selection.
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