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America’s First Openly-Gay Presbyterian Minister Speaks Out

Scott Anderson Ordained as Americas First Openly Gay Minister

Scott Anderson (AP Photo/Dinesh Ramde)

Over the weekend, the Blaze reported on the ordination of of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)’s first openly-gay minister. It’s been more than two-decades since Scott Anderson left his church after telling his California congregation that he was gay.

After years away from the pulpit, he became the first homosexual in America to be ordained by the Church.

In an interview with CNN, Anderson described the emotions he has regarding his official return to ministry:

“It’s an exciting time for me personally to be the first openly gay person ordained in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and it’s a big moment for our church that has has excluded gays and lesbians for so many decades, so it’s a new day for us.”

“I had been a Presbyterian pastor for eight years, and when I left, I never thought this day would come in my lifetime,” he continued. “God has brought a variety of surprises to my life, and this certainly is the biggest one.”

Anderson also believes that his ordination may be an example of the Christian church, regardless of denomination, recognizing that divergent views on scripture exist. He explains:

“Our church is recognizing there are a variety of viewpoints on scripture. There’s no longer a right viewpoint and a wrong viewpoint but several faithful viewpoints, one of which includes me in terms of being a minister in the Presbyterian church. So we’re honoring a diversity of viewpoints in our church.”

Watch Anderson discuss his ordination on CNN:

Back in 1990, Anderson was outed by congregants, as he was secretly in a relationship with another man at the time. Such a prospect violated the church’s pastoral code, which said that one must either be single or be living in marriage as a man and wife. As we reported over the weekend, via the Associated Press:

Saturday’s ordination at Covenant Presbyterian Church was made possible by decades of debate over whether openly gay people should be allowed to serve in the church. The church constitution used to include language requiring that clergy live “in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman, or chastity in singleness.”

The Presbyterian national assembly last year endorsed removing that rule. The change was approved in May by a majority of the denomination’s 173 regional church bodies.

Below, watch PCUSA’s Office of Theology and Worship Charles A. Wiley, III, address a group of Presbyterian students and faculty about the new amendment allowing gay and lesbian Christians to be ordained:

While Anderson’s ordination is certainly a milestone for gays and lesbians hoping to serve as clergy, it is also going to be a source of division and drama among believers. One wonders if the change will produce a Presbyterian split or if the whole of the Church will accept the change, regardless of personal perspective on the matter.

(H/T: CNN)

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  • LARR
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:17pm

    Well, maybe they way they translate the scrolls, it was really 10 Suggestions…

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    • mad_hatter
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:35pm

      Well if they can say Romney’s not a Christians then there is no question that the Presbyterian Church is no longer Christian… they fight everything the Bible has ever spoken up against. God does not change because a church decides on their own to change for social reasons.

      Then again when it comes to Romney, if someone doesn’t vote for Romney because his is/isn’t a Christian, they need to ask for God to forgive them for judging. That is biogtry. As Karl Rove put it the sin is upon the Pastor’s head: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/rove_politics_mormons.html

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    • MCGIRV
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:21pm

      Ahhhh Bible smilble!

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    • junepug
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:24pm

      Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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    • junepug
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:31pm

      I bet Peter Marshall is spinning in his grave. Of course, the Lutherans are guilty of the same sins.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:43pm

      This is not a church, it is a Bible denying social club.

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    • SpikeDurden
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 4:12pm

      Junepug-

      You’re right! That’s a great, appropriate quote you intelligent fundamentalist, you! May I remind you that also in Leviticus we are commanded to not cut our hair or beard, not wear clothing made of more than one fabric, not eat shellfish of any kind, not have a variety of crops in the same field, kill your children if they curse you, definitely don’t have sex with a woman on her period, stone to death those who blaspheme god, and then in Deuteronomy: kill those who worship another god, destroy the city and its inhabitants of those who worship another god, and DON’T FORGET! If you do work on Sunday, you should be put to death. I hope you’re following all these other rules from the same part of the same book you quoted, like a good Christian, Junepug! We wouldn’t want to be a inconsistent hypocrite, would we?

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    • Biscuit Feed Bubba
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 5:20pm

      Sin, Sin, Sin — We all will face the judgement. Choose wisely.

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    • Biscuit Feed Bubba
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 5:22pm

      By the way, his picture disgusts me, I wonder if he trys to look so Reverendy when he is being porked?

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 5:33pm

      rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:43pm
      This is not a church, it is a Bible denying social club.
      ______________________________
      Where is the bible does it say that the only Ranger Dan’s understanding of the bible will be considered correct? I think Ranger Dan is letting his Baptist Bigotry rise to the top agains (let me guess there is no Churhc except for the Church that you belong to).

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    • robert
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 5:41pm

      “There’s no longer a right viewpoint and a wrong viewpoint but several faithful viewpoints…”

      Yes, and down is up and up is down, and the distortion of many other issues will be spun in order to gain acceptance by freaks of nature that insist on avoiding psychotherapy in order to be cured.

      This man has a mental problem on a par with drug addicts and alcoholics, but, like many of them, he refuses to seek help, preferring to wallow in his perversions. If I were religious, I would say he is maintaining his sin, because he likes it and doesn’t want to be cured.

      If they allow these types to be ordained, why not unrepentant drug adicts and alcoholics? This church is worse than the sinner.

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 5:48pm

      Talk about the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND! He states that we all have different viewpoints of interpreting the Bible. REALLY? Romans 1:27 seems pretty clear to me.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:35pm

      That’s funny, I don’t remember the commandment “Thou Shalt not sodomize.” Or anything about homosexual relations for that matter…

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:46pm

      @encinom

      My understanding is not part of the equation. Truth is the truth weather I understand it or not.

      The Church is not “Baptist”. The church is the body of believers. Denomination is manmade. I am only Baptist because if you are going to go, you might as well go first class.

      Below are verses from Old and New testaments concerning homosexuality. The Bible is not the all you can eat buffet, where you pick the stuff you like, and leave the stuff you do not like. it is truth, regardless if I believe it. I chose to go to a church that preaches all of it, not some of it.

      22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:52pm

      @The Third Archon

      Pretty obvious that you have not read the Bible then. Read Leviticus chapter 18.

      Where do you think the word sodomy came from? Sodom and Gamora were destroyed because of their wickedness. Sodomy was one of the wicked things they were taking part in.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:53pm

      @Robert

      “This man has a mental problem on a par with drug addicts and alcoholics”

      actually he has a sin problem, on par with the rest of us sinners.

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    • Tim Law
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:54pm

      Our’s is not the place to judge, yet it speaks of the acts of a homosexual as sin in the Bible. Romans 1:27 Leviticus 18:7 Genesis 19:4 1 Timothy 1:10 Judges 19:22 Matthew 19:9 Jude 7 We are not to judge, yet in the epistle’s of Paul. Paul tells us out of love we should correct our brothers and sisters if we think they are straying from the path. There fore Mr. Anderson I believe you have strayed very far from the path and the teaching’s of our LORD JESUS. I would advise you to return to your Bible, and pray for the LORD to give you true understanding of the WORD. Bless you and may the good LORD guide you.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 8:10pm

      @RANGERP
      Leviticus chapter 18 is not a part of the 10 commandments–I was responding specifically to the notion implied by the opening post that this is somehow a re-interpretation of the 10 Commandments, which it obviously isn‘t because the 10 Commandments don’t say anything about homosexuality. Paying attention to detail is important.

      But, since you bring up Leviticus and we are on the subject, I don’t really care WHAT the bible says–what I care about is HOW it JUSTIFIES it’s moral edicts. If the best it can do is “because I said so” then I don‘t think that’s a very compelling argument.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 8:52pm

      @ENCNOM This is what makes Ranger P’s interpretation of the Bible right . 1COR 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 9:21pm

      THE THIRD ARCHON ” I don’t really care WHAT the bible says–what I care about is HOW it JUSTIFIES it’s moral edicts. If the best it can do is “because I said so” then I don‘t think that’s a very compelling argument” That is like an alchohic trying to cure an alcoholic. In the first place, if a man of the cloth and a teacher of the Word is not keeping that word..then what business does he have teaching it. A preacher is not suppose to be like a liberal school teacher. This man does not follow God and so he will lead many to their own destruction. You probably wouldn’t understand this… because you cannot come to God unless he calls you. This man is no man of God…he follows the path of Satan..and and many follow after him. It is of no consequence to me. He is not my pastor.. but it is a shame that so many who may want to follow God rely on a false teacher such as this. This is not about following the flesh..it is about denying ones flesh and following God and doing what He says because ,”He says so.”

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 10:25pm

      Yo Rangerp:
      Maybe they play rock&roll….that’s the problem.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 10:41pm

      @ARCHON

      none of the ten commandments say you can not have sex with your dog. Doing so would still violate morality, and the bible does speak agains having sex with animals. many things are wrong that are not in the ten commandments.

      As far as homosexuality, for me it is simple. the Bible calls it a sin, thus it is wrong. Some do not believe my Bible, so I give them this. Homosexuals make up 2% of the total population. they have 80% of the AIDS, 64% of the syphilis. Lesbians are four times as likely to have an STD, gays commit one third of child molestations, they have higher drug, and alcohol abuse, and the highest suicide rates. They have been excepted by other civilization in the past, and in every case, those civilization accepted them on their way to the bottom. Not nation acceptes them and survives.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 10:42pm

      @Truth2all

      I would say they they most likely play that filthy christian rock, but in realty, no rock music can be christian.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 10:51pm

      @TIM LAW

      “is not the place to judge”

      Not so my friend. It is your place to judge that which is wicked. just be prepared to be judged by the same standard/

      But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:39am

      Yo Rangerp;
      I was just joking again, but I see you are still unwilling to be corrected. I don’t know if you ever read my last posts. I know that you never answered any of mine or others questions or challenges. There are verses in Romans that also address this issue. Spoke with my pastor (who is a God fearing man) concerning this, guess who he brings up….Jimmy Hendrix…..first person he mentions. Stay in your ignorance on this issue if you wish, problem is you pass it along. . . (See Romans 14)

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 11:55am

      “The Bible is not the all you can eat buffet, where you pick the stuff you like, and leave the stuff you do not like. it is truth, regardless if I believe it. I chose to go to a church that preaches all of it, not some of it. ”

      So Ranger Dan,

      You don’t have a tattoo, you support honor killings and selling your daughters into slavery, you don’t wear clothing made of different fibers, don;t eat pork or shell fish, you don;t touch a football or other object made from unclean animals. Sorry, but the bible is a collection of fables froma nomadic tribe. It is time we update them to reflect reality.

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    • schmite123oh
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:00pm

      @ranger I was thinking about all your posts at one point advocating why you conclude rock and roll is not christian. In all you examples i felt you were correct, they did not mesh well with christianity and the message of the gospel, but as far as christians taking parts of the rock and roll sound and creating pretty tasteful christian music, I guess i concluded that what I need to do is look at the fruit it is bearing. The rock and roll quotes you listed and listed definately equal bad fruit but i think there is lots of good fruit created from “christian rock” that i have observed. And I will use the good/bad fruti approach going forward when i listen to music from now on. Keep up the conversation i enjoy reading your contributions.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:15pm

      @schmite123oh

      Music had nothing to do with this post, but 4Truth2all was trying to push my buttons on a previous post, where I educated him on music. He did not like the message, and it convicted him, so he tries to beat up the messenger. There is no such thing as Christian rock, Would take a while to argue it out again, and most likely you will have to catch me on a fresher post, and I will do it for you. Here is the nut shell. Drugs, sex, and Rock and Roll. Why are they lumped together? They are all three tied to rebellion, and aalways will be. You cannot make something like Rock and Christianize it. The term rock and roll was a slang word for sex in the back seat of a car. … Like I said, catch me on a fresh post, and I will be glad to dive in headfirst again, I prefer to back in up with verses, and many examples.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:19pm

      Truth4none

      have you watched any of the clips from the protests on wallstreet, or other various cities? Did you notice all the shamanistic drum beats that go along with their heathen activities, to include drugs, and sex out in the open? I wonder why they are not using that old piano church music, and why they would draw from rock and roll, and voodoo beats out of Africa? hmmmm, that is strange, what do you think?

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:22pm

      @schmite123oh

      I found the old post, where I put all the rock and christian rock info. it is a good bit of reading, but I lay it out pretty well. Most can not debat this topic real well, so they go away hating the messanger.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-are-young-evangelicals-almost-just-as-sexually-active-as-non-believers/

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:26pm

      @encinom

      actually I do have a tatoo, and yes, the bible speaks against it, and the bible is correct, not me. I was young and dumb once. No longer young though, but still dumb.

      a football is made from cow hide. “pig skin” is a slang term, and we as Christians can eat pork. That changed in the new testament.

      If you want to make claims about slavery, daughters… show me the verse,

      Funny how one minute, you want to use the Bibile, but when corrected, you go to your athiest beliefs.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:14pm

      Yo Ranger:
      Do you know the verse that says… do not think more of yourself then you ought to? You tell another poster that you gave me an education and that I was convicted by the things you said. In all due respect this is a untruth (I will refrain from calling you a liar). You told me NOTHING that I did not already know. I gave you bible verses to defend what I was saying and you NEVER responded directly to ANY of those verses or the other points I and others made. You kept going back to the same irrelevant point which the verses I gave you address. And you do it again. You also mangled my name again and you and I both know your not joking. That speaks to you not me. I was not trying to push your buttons. My suggestion to you ….. let God give you an education… that’s why everything I said was out of His Word. I don’t think you even know that….. good day.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:25pm

      Yo schmite123oh:
      You seem to be on the right path in your application of the MUSIC. Read Romans 14… it addresses the principle of the disagreement between Rangerp and myself and others. There are also 2 places in 1Cor. that speak to this also. I use the bible as my means of measurment, which the bible says I am to do, not what others did or do! Blessings in your search for truth and freedom in Christ.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:35pm

      @4truth2all

      You know I still love you Brother.

      One day you will figure it out, and stop listening to that devil music.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:41pm

      Rangerp:
      Did you read Romans 14….please do so… nighty night…zzzzzzzzzzz

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    • American Drywaller
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 10:54am

      People always say that the verses against Homosexuality are in the Old Testament, and under the old covenant; they are wrong.
      1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
      Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
      Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
      1Ti 1:9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
      1Ti 1:10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
      Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
      So in conclusion, The New Testament, after Jesus came as a sacrifice and an example, is still strongly preaching against homosexuality.

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    • American Drywaller
      Posted on October 13, 2011 at 11:02am

      Sorry Tim,
      Didn’t see your post with the verses it it already. :(

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    • not a liberal
      Posted on October 14, 2011 at 10:12pm

      Hatter God does intend for us to make judgements about what is right and wrong, we make judgements everyday however I would prefer not to vote for Romney not because of his religion but because of his political view

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  • sclongball
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:14pm

    I believe the end is rapidly approaching and that prophecy is literally being fulfilled around us daily. The attacks on fundamental believers will only get worse and worse. Keep praying, Brothers and Sisters! The King is coming!!

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    • revolution-wanted
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:16pm

      Amen.come Lord Jesus!!!!!

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:31pm

      I’m sure he is a nice man….BUT he is clearly ignorant of his own transgressions and if he is not then he will surely suffer the wrath of God. Thats not judging, thats the Bible whether we like it or not. God does not change, nor does his words. Jesus did not come to change the laws of the Father but to add to them. His adding to them was very strict. Thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say to you, if you lusted in your heart then you have commited adultery. We all can see that we have no way possible to cover ourselves through following the law because we will always fall short. Jesus is the truth, the way and the life, no man goes to the father except by way of him. The Left love when our religious leaders do not take the Bible seriously. It gives them hope that their own transgressions will be forgiven because the clergy was corrupt and misled them. So this is very acceptable to them hence the CNN interview.

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  • crazeeMAN
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:12pm

    No right and no wrong? No absolutes? That is what is wrong with society. There is a right and there is a wrong. And there are absolutes. Give them what their itchy ears want to hear.

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  • Sirfoldallot
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:11pm

    So is sotimey legal now ?

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:20pm

      I don‘t know about sotimey but sodomy is in most places but it’s gross. That’s for number 2 and dingleberries. Yuk!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:22pm

      Don’t rightly know about sotimey, but sodomy is alive and well in America. It is perfectly legal according to our courts, though I doubt God is pleased about it…

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    • Sirfoldallot
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:59pm

      Spelled it wrong 4 a reason, like closet queens do , miss lead.

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    • Mable8
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 8:35pm

      Sirfoldallot and Grudgy: Just so you know, in the United States sodomy is NOT a legal act, which is why many of the rapists who stand trial have sodomy included with the rape. Apparently it is legal in the middle east, but then, so is pedophelia and other crimes against children.

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:10pm

    “Our church is recognizing there are a variety of viewpoints on scripture. There’s no longer a right viewpoint and a wrong viewpoint but several faithful viewpoints, one of which includes me in terms of being a minister in the Presbyterian church. So we’re honoring a diversity of viewpoints in our church.”

    That is all I need to know, thanks anyway. :-)

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:13pm

      Yo Trolltrainer;
      Ridiculous isn’t it!
      No good no bad,
      no heaven no hell,
      no right no wrong,
      no saved no unsaved,
      no blessings no curses.
      The entire bible is about good and evil, God and satan, heaven and hell.

      To the Rob Bell’s and those in agreement with this man the LORD has a message for you…

      “Woe to the shepards who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares the LORD.
      It continues on and says “Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the EVIL you have done. ” declares the LORD. ( Jeremiah 23:1-4)
      Yo, dude… one Word, one God… and He does not ask for your opinion in this matter !
      The LORD says choose blessings or curses this day. You have chosen curses and rejoice.. utter foolishness. I hope you come to repentence before death overtakes you.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:28pm

      4thruth2all,

      There are many different denominations and doctrine out there. I firmly believe that if a person is Spirit guided he will stay within orthodoxy even if some of his doctrine might not agree with yours. We all have different beliefs, I think God celebrates this. That is why He gave us Scripture in the manner He did, totally dogmatic on the things that matter and more open-ended on other doctrine to spike our interest, to keep us studying and in His Word. I believe God overlooks human misunderstanding.

      This is a different matter and you are right. There is a special place in hell for people like this. Those who twist Scripture to suite their needs or lifestyle. The disease of liberalism hit the church long before it took hold in politics. It has been a cancer that has eaten the church up from the inside…like termites. The second we turn from the literal meaning of Scripture and start trying to spin it to suite our own perspective we turn from God and head back to evil. It is one thing when you only effect your own life with this but when you start leading others astray you become an enemy of God. I pray this man figures out his sin as he preaches from God’s Word. It is not too late until he draws his last breath.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 9:43pm

      4TRUTH2ALL you got that right…but you left out one thing…”Show Me Da Money!”

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:02am

      Yo TT:
      We certainly have an understanding God. However, there is a verse that says we are not to let our differences divide us. I don‘t agree with some issues with my pastor but I don’t leave the church because of this and go off acting like the more Godly one. The way to be more Christ-like is to bear with one another and not walk off in a huff. We are to be one body with Christ as the head, of the same spirit. I do not believe all the various denominations are an example of our abiding to the teaching on this issue. The purposed acceptance of sin as in this story IS reason to leave the church or have the pastor removed which is instructed in the Word. I think it grieves the Lord that we are so seperated. I do agree with you that in God’s infinite wisdom that our differences (I would call immaturity) should cause us (and often do) to search the depths of God’s Word. Pride causes disputes and division, humility is the glue that binds things together. As I mature this truth has become clearer to me, and understand why God detests pride. In reality there is should be only ONE church….The Body Of Christ

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:09pm

    This man and his church are an obamination. I would run from the prebyterian church as fast as I could. The idea of “many viewpoinst..not just one etc.” is straight from satan. It is the same lie that really began in the garden of eden. Gays are destroying our schools and churches. In the name of ‘diversity’ this stupid nation is committing suicide. Time for real people to take this nation back.

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  • The next to last american president
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:09pm

    What an Obamanation! god has left this house.

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  • ZAP
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:02pm

    My GOD GAVE ME COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS TO FOLLOW ! He is intolerant to such acts.His laws cannot be replaced by man-made laws. Obedience and faith = salvation

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:29pm

      which laws do you have to obey? Sacrifice and purity laws? Sabbath laws? The 10 Commandments? How you doing with those? How about the two Christ gave us; love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. You think you are righteous on those two? Not me brother…I fail big time even at those two simple things. Just the other day some old dude cut me off and I am afraid I thought some not so nice things about it before I calmed down…

      You are known by your fruits, you must show good works IF you are a Christian. Just be careful you do not put the cart before the horse. I am saved by faith alone. Being regenerated I am then justified and sanctified. This sanctification causes me to live in the Word and walk in the light, but remember, we are still all sinners.

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    • hmblsrvnt
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:56pm

      Salvation is by grace (Gods gift that no one deseves)through faith so no one can boast. Obedience comes as a result of the faith.

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    • revolution-wanted
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:30pm

      trolltrainer: Could not have said it better myself!!! Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:30pm

      Yo Trolltrainer:
      Agree with your post. However I respectfully will take issue with your statement of “ we are still all sinners”

      Those saved by the blood of Christ still sin as you so honestly stated. But God does not see us that way we are His children. We are now saints that sin, and when we do our Father reminds us and when we hear we ask for forgiveness/ we repent as you also stated. Please understand I do not put myself better then you….but I AM A SAINT and YOU TOO, in the eyes of our father. AMEN and AMEN! Boy I could preach a sermon right now…..blessings to you brother!

      Because of Jesus WE ALL GET TO BE SAINTS !… YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:44pm

      True Truth, we are indeed justified and redeemed by Christ’s blood.

      Amen.

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    • by faith
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 2:02pm

      you are saved by the grace of God…alone

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    • 4ORIGINALGOV
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 3:42pm

      “This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!” 2 Corinthians 5:17 Not still sinners

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  • lilmjomac
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:02pm

    For the record, that is not EVERY Presbyterian church. The (USA) means Presbyterians of the USA,
    there are also (PCA)….Presbyterian Church in America… they do not allow this practice.

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  • Missouri_Patriot
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:01pm

    So how does he teach the scripture of Leviticus 20:13?? I‘m not sure how wise it is to pick and choose what part of God’s word we want to follow. Is a faith of convenience really faith at all?

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 3:58pm

      We all pick and choose. Almost a third of the Book of Leviticus is devoted to instructions on how to sacrifice animals, then there are a lot of dietary restrictions that obviously once made sense for public health reasons, but most of which are obsolete in a world with refrigeration, pasteurization, and where pigs eat the same feed as cows instead of running around eating garbage and feces. Deuteronomy prescribes the death penalty for all kinds of minor offenses. On the other hand, nowhere in the entire Bible will you find an unequivocal statement that it is wrong for one person to keep others as slaves.

      Even people who consider themselves Fundamentalists do not, and would not want to, live by all the rules in the Bible, and most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They look at the Bible and have to accept that maybe not all off it is divinely inspired; maybe some of it is the flawed words of men claiming to speak for God to give their words weight. Maybe some of it is meant for the people of the time and place it was written, and not meant to be a complete book of rules for all people everywhere, forever.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 4:43pm

      “Even people who consider themselves Fundamentalists do not, and would not want to, live by all the rules in the Bible, and most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They look at the Bible and have to accept that maybe not all off it is divinely inspired; maybe some of it is the flawed words of men claiming to speak for God to give their words weight. Maybe some of it is meant for the people of the time and place it was written, and not meant to be a complete book of rules for all people everywhere, forever.”
      ———————————————————–
      This is the biggest problem today. I would hate to be one of these folks, how can you know what to believe? I think if I felt this way I would just be an atheist. At the least an agnostic or deist. Why bother? How do you know Christ really rose from the dead? If He did that then there is nothing else in the Bible that is impossible. If He did not do that then your faith is in vain, why bother? Of course you still recognize God because there not being a Creator is an impossibility, but if the Bible is not 100%, totally true then what can you REALLY know about God?

      No…No thanks…I will put my faith in the Bible we hold. If I am wrong then I am wrong, I will simply be worm food. But if there is a God and if ANY part of the Bible is inspired then why would He not give us a 100% inspired Bible? Makes no sense to me…

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 6:02pm

      trolltrainer I would hate to be one of these folks, how can you know what to believe?

      You start with the words of Christ. Then you ask yourself “is this really something that the God He tells me about would say?”

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:03pm

      Who was Christ?

      Was he a Birkenstock wearing, long haired, groovy hippie teacher be-bopping all around the land with a good word for everyone

      or

      Was He the Word mentioned in John 1:1?

      There is a huge difference. If you believe He was the first then your belief is foolishness. You do not and cannot know God. You have no way to cherrypick the true parts from the Bible and separate them from all the hype.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:00pm

    “There’s no longer a right viewpoint and a wrong viewpoint”
    ——————————————————————————
    But no BIBLICAL viewpoint?
    It’s ironic that their initials are PCUSA.

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  • Abila
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:00pm

    This minister is from the church of satan.

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  • DanWesson455
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:59am

    Didn’t read the story, Don’t want to know one stinking thing about this IT. Whole religion, this verse of it, has been hijacked by DIP WADS! Pissatearonit.

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  • Abila
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:58am

    He has no sense of right or wrong because he is a hyprocrite.

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  • TheChurch
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:53am

    I say this to the gay minister and all those who believe in Jesus Christ. You cannot rip the pages out of the Bible that you do not like. Homosexuality, rape, murder…they are all wrong according to God’s Holy Word. We can lie to ourselves and others but it does not change God’s Word. And for those who say I standing in judgment need I remind you I did not write the Bible, nor did I condem the homosexual lifestyle. File your complaints with the one true God.

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  • eyeforaneyeguy
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:53am

    Yep my church split up over this same stupid argument the episcopal church.(let the gays form their own church) alot are going catholic now. the great deciever the god of the earth is making great strides now. faith based persocussion will be lead by homosexuals. it’s the last clear moral stand that the gay community needs to conquer.so expect an assault from with in.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 3:42pm

      paranoid much? is that what glenn told you to think? god, our lord and king came to my house sunday, we watched the breaking bad finale. had a great time. oh, i almost forgot, he said all of you are crazy and to please stop speaking for him. he was really cool.

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  • MARCH4HIM
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:51am

    Yea..thats what I got, from reading the Bible…Do your own thing….Make your own rules
    No cosequences,….that it exactly……The Church of ….“Do What Eever You Want”.

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  • jkendal
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:50am

    Sheer blasphemy!

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  • rdietz7
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:40am

    Obamanation!

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  • 65Mustang
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:39am

    This Presbyterian minister is trying to live with his own views of God’s Word…he has and will fail miserably. Do NOT condone what God condemns.

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  • grudgywoof
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:38am

    Romans 1:26-27
    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their.
    Sin is sin and there is no way to justify homosexuality. You can not effectivly pastor a church and live in a state of sin with no repentance. This man has exchanged the truth for a lie. I will pray for him and his church.

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    • JHaines
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 4:54pm

      I agree! I also agree with TheChurch, ZAP, HmblSrvnt, Trolltrainer, and Grudywoof(the Romans-quote-great!). i would like to add: 2 Cor 11:13-15 “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” — My husband and I were married in our little PCUSA country church which I had attended for 16 years; we’re a very small rural community. Yet, like someone mentioned above, it is a social club now and no longer a Bible-believing Christ-oriented CHURCH where salvation by grace and faith are taught, and sanctification is the process by the grace of God and yet with our cooperation. Now we have to leave and it just makes me so sad to leave my “little family” because my physical family is actually in Europe (other than my adult children who are further away in-state) and because we have stood by each other prayerfully through some very tough times, trusting God to get us through. My husband & I will, however, will not ally ourselves with such an abomination which is what it is, of course!

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  • lukerw
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:38am

    And, the purpose of Sex is what? Whom said… “Be fruitful and multifpy” in Genesis 1:22? Does not say: be fruity and do math!

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    • WatchingThePuppetShow
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 12:35pm

      Oh gosh now THAT was funny….be fruity and do math…LMAO!!!

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 1:53pm

      If you do the math fruity ands up in the negetive.
      That’s what they need a good math teacher…think your on to something

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  • ares338
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:36am

    Makes the phrase “thy rod and thy staff comfort me”!

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    • Theodwulf
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 7:23pm

      That is what “Gay Theology” is ,twisting scripture until homosexuality is not only tolerated but prefered by “God”. Which is fine as long as they don’t use the full force of government to compel me to agree.

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  • agameofthrones
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:33am

    And these are probably the same “Christians” who say Mormons don’t believe in Christ. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality. I didn‘t realize it was open to interpretations and changes if the doctrines of God don’t fit your lifestyle.

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  • Freedom Keeper
    Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:26am

    Bless him for wanting to live a Christian life, but it’s not working. I’m sorry but a homosexual life is not a Christian one. And this guy is in Sun Prairie, half hour from my town! Lord, whats the world coming to?!

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:49am

      An end soon. Darkness is spreading but the light will not be extinguished even if there are only one or two of us left in the end. God wins in the end.

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    • VTDave
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:52am

      We all know what the world is coming to, unfortunately. As churches fall one by one to preaching a worldly message verses a Christ-centered message in a false attempt to bring more people to Christ so too will our country continue to fall. As you are witnessing now the fall is accelerating and there may well be very little any of us can do about it other than to be prepared in our own homes. In doing so do what you can to be a help to your neighbors as well.

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