America‘s Largest Presbyterian Denomination Votes ’No’ on Israeli Divestment by Razor-Thin Margin
- Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:11am by
Billy Hallowell
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(The Blaze/AP) — Yesterday, we told you that Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the largest Presbyterian group in the United States, was going to vote on a divestment from three companies that do business with Israel. By a razor-thin margin, the denomination rejected the proposal, though pro-Palestinian advocates immediately vowed to try again.
(Related: Anti-Semitic? Nation’s Largest Presbyterian Group to Vote on Israel Divestment)
The Presbyterian General Assembly voted 333-331, with two abstentions, to reject the divestment plan. A second vote instead affirmed a policy of investment in support of peace in Israel and the Palestinian territories. That proposal passed by a much wider margin, 369-290 with eight abstentions.
The votes came after days of discussion and more than two hours of floor debate at the meeting of the PC (U.S.A.) in Pittsburgh. The policy-making body will meet again on Friday, but there is little chance the divestment plan could be revived.
Divestment advocates said the targeted companies — Caterpillar Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Motorola — profit from the occupation by providing bulldozers, surveillance technology and other products to the Israeli military.
Major Jewish groups from across the political spectrum had lobbied furiously against the measure, including the liberal-leaning pro-Israel groups Americans for Peace Now and J Street. The American Jewish Committee, a public policy group, said the proposal demonized Israel and threatened Christian-Jewish relations.
The Israel Palestine Mission Network, a pro-Palestinian Presbyterian group, said they were “disappointed,“ but said they will continue their efforts to ”alleviate the suffering of Palestinians and to help bring peace and justice to Israelis and Palestinians alike.”
The vote would have given pro-Palestinian advocates a notable victory at a time when the divestment movement appears to be gaining momentum. Pension funds in Norway and Sweden have divested themselves of holdings in some firms involved in building in settlements or helping to erect Israel’s contentious West Bank separation barrier. European activists have stepped up pressure on companies by exposing their West Bank ties and picketing stores that sell goods produced in Israeli settlements.
Last week, the U.S. investment firm MSCI Inc. announced it had removed Caterpillar from three of its popular indexes that track socially responsible investments, citing concerns about the Israeli military’s use of company bulldozers in the Palestinian territories. The MSCI decision led mutual fund giant TIAA-CREF to divest $72 million in Caterpillar stock.
Caterpillar has come under scrutiny because of the Israeli military’s use of armored-plated Caterpillar bulldozers. Caterpillar says it does not equip bulldozers with armor or sell directly to the Israeli military. Instead, equipment is first sold to the U.S. government and then resold to Israel and outfitted for military use.
At the Presbyterian meeting, church members made emotional pleas both in favor and against the proposal.
Nicholas Nott, a delegate from the Presbytery of Great Rivers in Peoria, Ill., home of the Caterpillar headquarters, defended the company.
Nott had worked for Caterpillar for decades. He expressed concern about the plight of Palestinians and regret about any use of Caterpillar equipment that contributed to their suffering. But he also cited Caterpillar’s humanitarian work in response to disasters such as the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Hurricane Katrina and the earthquake in Haiti.
“You are being shown a very narrow side of Caterpillar machines,” Nott said.
But Rick Ufford-Chase, who served as a General Assembly moderator, the church’s highest elected office, when the divestment debate began in 2004, said he was heartbroken by the outcome Thursday.
“No investment will make any difference if we fail to dismantle the apparatus of the occupation,” said Ufford-Chase, executive director of the Presbyterian Peace Fellowship. He told the delegates they should be “naming the occupation for what it is: a form of apartheid. We must stand with our Palestinian brothers and sisters.”
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Comments (49)
hayesstephen
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 1:13amI’m a Presbyterian and had that nonsense been passed, I would now be an ex-Presbyterian. How in the world can a Christian be an Liberal. In my mind they can’t. Vote for a baby killer, than YOU ARE A BABY KILLER, vote against Israel than, remember those who don‘t not support God’s people GOD WILL NOT SUPPORT!!!. Liberal Christians isn’t that an oxymoron. Oh I see you are a liberal Christian but you are against abortion, your are a Liberal Christian and want the Jews to stop mistreating those peace loving Muslims? You as a Liberal and can‘t see why Conservative Christian won’t agree that it would be better if we as a church would not offend Muslim by claiming Jesus CHRIST IS SON Of YAHWEH GOD. The end times are nearer than any of can comprehend!!! God Bless America and Israel and all of their People. Prepare People of God, Pray without ceasing, The Savior is inbound!!!!
Report Post »MAX0O1
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:36pmOccupation you damn fools!!!! It is Israel that is occupied!!
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:18pmHow come Hamas always gets away with the crimes of humanity against the Philistines?
Report Post »bioya1
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 5:43pmThe Presbyterian church has been hijacked by Marxist leaning ideologues. I know, I am a member of the church, but not for much longer. In the General Assembly their “leaders” vote for resolutions like : abandoning Israel in favor of those America loving Palestinians. They also are in favor taling money from those that earn it and give it to those that don’t. Sounds a lot like Obungler is also in charge of this church. I will leave, and my money with it. Good riddance, comrades!
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:22pmDo you think it was a contingency that the “Moral Code of Builders of Communism” was written actually based on the Ten Commandments?
Report Post »Do you think it was a contingency that in all Soviet schools and Universities teachers and professors, even though condemning religion per se, always tirelessly repeated to students that “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God” and emphasized that is was said in the Bible (Matthew 19:24)?
No, dear BIOYA1, no matter how many evidences there are to prove that Christianity has nothing to do with Communism, Marxists always reminded that elements that would form the basis of the well-known ideology of Christian socialism are found in the Old and New Testaments. And this is unfortunately an irrefutable fact.
KissMyAmericanFlag
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:28pmPerhaps paraphrasing somewhat, “Those who bless Israel will themselves be blessed, but those who curse Israel will likewise be cursed.”
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:04pm@KISSMYAMERICANFLAG:
How convenient it is: just rephrase a little and get exactly what YOU want…instead of what was said not by you, but by those who you “paraphrase somewhat.”
“I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed” (Genesis 12:3).”
“all the families of the earth” does not mean Israel only, as far as I can read.
Report Post »Not to mention that Abram (who made “a little geschäft” with Pharaoh by procuring his own wife), later Abraham, was the forefather of many tribes, not only Israelites: also the Ishmaelites, Midianites and Edomites.
But I know that the facts I bring won’t change the clichés that are rooted in your brain.
Constantine Ivanov
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 3:54pmA few minutes of pondering over common issues…
Just imagine:
You live in a house that you inherited from your parents. You enjoy it.
All of a sudden, a stranger comes to you house and says: from now on, I will live in this house, because it is built on the land where my progenitors lived thousands of years ago. Don’t worry, I’ll give you a lodge in the backyard.
How would you feel, if it happened to you personally?
It is exactly what happened on May 14, 1948 in the Middle East.
I am a Jew, I do understand the feeling of that stranger.
But since I am an honest and decent Jew (I strongly believe that I am), I do understand the feeling of that house owner who was ‘informed’ that he is not the house owner anymore.
And since I do understand the both feelings, I see everything what happened after May 14, 1948, in a completely different light.
I do realize that the ‘stranger’ is trying to justify his intrusion by the tragedy which his people suffered during the WWII (even though the very idea of ‘coming to this house’ has been raised long before the War II).
But partially because that ‘former home owner’ doesn’t want to accept such a justification, partially because the ‘new home owner’ has successfully used that justification for getting other ‘benefits’, that nightmare of Holocaust became a ‘protective shield’ that makes the ‘stranger’ actually ‘untouchable.’
Why those defenders don’t move to the country which they love to defend from outside
Report Post »Constantine Ivanov
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 4:26pmMy last phrase was cut because of the character numbers limit:
Why those defenders don’t move to the country which they love to defend from outside, and not from inside?
Report Post »Such an “activism from outside” creates a situation when a lot of people who don’t live in that country become hostages of the untouchable lobby, which gains the power to actually dictate what country goes to a war and when.
Holocaust was an enormous tragedy. But it was not only tragedy of Jews. It was a tragedy of even bigger number of other people: Slavs, Polish priests, gypsies, disabled, homosexuals, etc.
Jews never mention other victims of Holocaust. I even read as a Jew said in an interview that other Holocaust victims should “take care of themselves.”
But even Holocaust was not the only enormous tragedy in the XX Century.
Commies in Russia, China and other countries have murdered a lot more innocent civilians than Nazis.
And I always ask myself: was it more ‘pleasant’ to dozens of Millions of innocent God-loving, God-fearing civilians to be murdered by non-ethnic reasons than to almost 6 million of Jews to die by ethnic reason?
Can somebody honestly answer this question?
hayesstephen
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 2:33pmI’m sorry but I have idea who the hell you are talking about. This home owner Blah.blah.blah. We you please speak plainly? In 1948 the so called Palestinian’s flew Israel, when they could have all stayed and we would not be in this mess today.
Report Post »Why is it said (and is true,) the only place a Palestinians can find justice is in an Israeli courts? Is Israel perfect? Now of course not, are Jews will to live with Palestinians in peace— yes they are, are Palestinians will to live in peace with Jews— no they are not. In fact not one Arab or Muslim country is willing to let Israel to even exist!!!
Will our Exalted, Dearly Beloved Leader, President for Life obungler willing to support Israel, sadly he is not.
God Bless America and Israel and all our peoples. Get out and vote. Vote the crooks out of office
Constantine Ivanov
Posted on July 7, 2012 at 3:47pm@HAYESSTEPHEN:
I completely agree with your two last phrases: “Get out and vote. Vote the crooks out of office.”
Your initial phrases show that you not only understand who my allegorical “stranger” is, but also approve his “intrusion” in that – also allegorical – house and justify that by offering a “good care and social justice” to the – again, allegorical – former owner of the house who has to agree to move to the lodge in the backyard.
Report Post »Sure, what’s wrong with living in the backyard lodge (instead of the house itself) if the justice in the court and other facilities are offered?
slr4528
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 2:27pmSo why are the Presbyterians entering the Political arena?….Israel has nothing to do with the Presbyterian church…so why is the church placing resources towards this issues,resources that could be directed towards serving those people in their local community?? This whole situation smells like a rat! I grew up in the Presbyterian church….needless to say I certainly will never go back to it after reading this article!
Report Post »YoshiFD3S
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:39pm“No investment will make any difference if we fail to dismantle the apparatus of the occupation,” said Ufford-Chase, executive director of the Presbyterian Peace Fellowship. He told the delegates they should be “naming the occupation for what it is: a form of apartheid. We must stand with our Palestinian brothers and sisters.”
“Occupation”, huh? Oh, you mean the land promised by God to the JEWISH people that is written about in the bible that you claim to believe? D*mn, talk about hypocrisy!
The Jewish people only want to “occupy” the land that is and has ALWAYS been rightfully theirs.
Just what makes it “Pallestinian” land anyways? Why do THEY deserve to live there? Do they have some kind of inherent right or superiority that makes them more worthy to live in the land of Israel? NO. Given the countless artifacts that prove the existence of the Jewish people in direct concordance with the bible only further proves the point that Jews were there FIRST and have more right than ANY other nation of peoples to live there.
As has been said and proven countless times…Israel is in fact a safer place to live for ANY faith or race.
These same “brothers and sisters” that you want to protect would just as gladly kill you and YOUR brothers and sisters in the name of their Allah.
I just don‘t understand how a member of ANY biblical faith can completely ignore and disrespect God’s own words proclaiming the Jewish people as HIS people. Open your dang bib
Report Post »Carldaddy
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:11pmThe rate at which PCUSA has been losing membership has steadily increased from abouth 1% per year in the late 1980′s to well over 3% per year as of 2010. I expect it is even higher now. They have lost 25% of their membership and no longer show up on the list of major christian denominations in the US. This is a group that say’s it is ok for their pastors to not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. and then wonder why people are headed to the exits. Under 2,000,000 and headed for half that.
Report Post »WHITESQUIRREL
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:08pmWell – it‘s so easy to rant isn’t it. I’m Presbyterian – was an elder for 3 years – I‘m conservative to the right of Glenn Beck and have been uneasy with some of what’s been happening. But what outsiders don’t seem to get is that in a Presbyterian church we worship God – we don’t get into the social issues much but we have a welcoming attitude towards all believers and allow for many opinions. Each local church can still decide where its money goes for what causes, who will be Pastor or elder, deacon, teacher. Yes we have liberals, but we also have very conservative people as well. One particular thing that are local church is very proud of is that during the Civil War both Yankees and Rebels were able to put aside their politics and sit down and worship together. We’re talking parents of children who were fighting and killing each other. Are we leaning more left right now – possibly. But it doesn’t change our focus on Sunday mornings – we praise and worship God and continue to welcome all who wish to do the same. Proud to be a Presbyterian where we focus on teaching the Bible and worshiping God.
Report Post »YoshiFD3S
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:47pmWith all due respect…
If you’re going to claim to be a Presbyterian…a “Christian” bible-based faith….how on earth can you allow yourself and members of your faith to blatantly ignore and disrespect God’s own words?
Read the Old Testament, much? If you did, you‘d see God’s explicit directions and feelings towards ANY person who either supports or ‘curses’ HIS people.
Coming from a self-proclaimed members of faith, I’m disappointed that you would ignore the biblical AND historical claim that the Jewish people have to the land of Israel.
This isn’t about “politics”, people. It’s about a historically-proven and biblically-backed right for the Jewish people to live in their OWN land.
You don’t have to believe in God to be able understand history. The facts are NOT up for debate.
Report Post »bcskulker
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:36amWithout quoting scripture directly (I know this can be a dangerous thing to do), take a look at the world around you. Those who embrace the world in ‘Christian’ churches are a symptom of the apostasy predicted in the many passages associated with the impending period described/prophesized as the Tribulation. The throwing of the Jews and Israel to the wolves, by some in the Presbyterian faith, is a clear example of how some Christian faiths are being invaded and co-opted by the religion of secularism.
Report Post »Friends of mine are JW’s – in spite of my having many personal issues with their faith – with every day I have less and less argument with their belief that politics is the realm of Satan.
JohnGalt
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:59amThe PC USA is one of the most liberal denominations in the protestant group. They like the ‘idea’ of the Word and that Christ was more just a loose ideal.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:36amApartheid? Palestinians are in the Knesset. Wake up liberals and do your homework. Palestinians living in Israel have a better life than Arabs/Muslims in any Arab/Muslim state.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:13pmfor dmerwin.. I recently started attending a new church.. because I believe that we are all worshiping the same GOD.. the first thing I did after attending a mass was to ask to meet with the pastor.. I gave him my questions and was OK with his answers until I asked about Israel.. the one thing he said is that he wishes Israel would treat Palestinians better my response was..” I would rather be a Palestinian in Israel than a Israel/Jew or Christian in what they call Palestine or any other ARAB nation”.. THAN I asked the million dollar question of WOULDN’T YOU?? to which he had to answer YES..
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:39amif there so interested in working on those countries strip their citizenship and deport them there.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 3:04pmWith an attitude like that I’m sure businesses will start coming to the US in droves. You claim to be for small government yet you’re for stripping people of their citizenship and deporting them? I’m sure a true fiscal conservative like Ron Paul would be the first to speak out against such practices.
Report Post »Ted Zeppelin
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:18amAmerican Jews have abandoned their homeland and religion in favor of Islam. Islam appears to be the favored religion among Democrats. A vote for Obama is a vote for Islam.
Report Post »samurai2112
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:58amI hope Catapiller stands strong and does not cave to the pressure. It is sad to see companies support organizations when asked for donations only to have the same organizations work against free market and capitalism making it harder for them do business. The same is true for the Jewish population voting Democrat then have the Democrat organizations doing everything they can to weaken Israel.
Report Post »jcldwl
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:25amGlad I’m not Presbyterian. I stand with Israel and the bible says those that bless Israel will be blessed those that curse Israel will be cursed. With such a high rate of votes against Israel it is obvious that these specific Presbyterians aren’t preaching the bible to their people.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:37amWho is Israel? Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3Dvw9Qm_TejCo%26skipcontrinter%3D1
Amos37
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:57amIsrael is Israel…We are to become a part of the family by the adoption through Jesus Christ. idiot^
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:18am@AMOS You need to dig a little deeper Amos.. Try reading that verse I provided and then watch the video..Does being adopted into the family of Israel mean that we are all supposed to be adopted into the family of Zionists/Communists/fascists? Is it God’s will for us to murder and rob for world domination? In Zach 12..13 AND 14.. God Himself gathers the nations against Israel..then Jesus steps in causing them to recognize Him as their own God that they pierced..then all of Israel will be saved..but in the end..God allows two thirds of them to be destroyed..only allowing one third into the millenial kingdom..This is scriptural.. They are the remnant..There is a small sect of Jewish rabbis who say they got along fine with the Arabs until the Zionists showed up..they consider them enemies and blame them for the bloodshed in the ME. A bill was initiated last year in Israel proposing to make it illegal to draw comparisons to NAZIISM..I believe it imposed a $2000 fine for doing so..Many Israelis consider that they are living in a MARXIST state.
Report Post »http://www.theblaze.com/stories/israeli-bill-would-outlaw-comparisons-to-nazis/
Miguelito
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:03amJC you are so right. If we are Christians we all should stay in the Bible. Jesus did not come to earth to give us another religion, He came to save us and give us a personal relationship with Him among other things. Some churches are being infiltrated by evil because they are getting away from the Bible. God is all about love and forgiveness not terror and killing!
Report Post »Temporal
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:12amLooks like they’re not letting the Bible stand in the way of their politics.
Report Post »wampanoag
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 9:11amThe Presbyterian church is still a hot bed of antisemitism. It is in the culture of Presbyterians for some reason. They are among the last vestige of that typical stupid antisemitism of the last century which kept Jews from country clubs and beach resort as well as certain neighborhoods. It is really a reflection of their own low self image and feeling of inadequacy and that feeling that the country is slipping from their control, and lash out against the Jews as an easy scapegoat.
I am acquainted with a few young adults whose parents separated and the mother is a Jew and father is Presbyterian, and each of them refused to invite their mother to their wedding because she is Jewish, and they wanted to keep this info from their in-laws. Of course when they need money they immediately run to their Jewish relatives. The Presbytarians are truly stuck in a time warp of hate.
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:25amWhoa… sounds like you’re panties are in a wad. All Presbyterians are anti-Semitic? There are several flavors of Presbyterian churches in the world and each is composed of people who may or may not be anti-Semitic. Christ, a Jew, never condoned anti-Semitism. He never condoned sin in any form by any person for any reason. If His own mother sinned he called her out for it. Just because you go to a church doesn’t make you a Christian anymore than eating at KFC makes you a chicken. Most anti-Semites that I know aren’t Christian while those that claim to be Christian are either liars or in a state of penitence for their rebellion against God.
Report Post »wampanoag
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:52amObviously not all Presbs are anti-Semitic but there is a big vein of it among its adherents,,obviously.
Report Post »Carldaddy
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:33amSince the liberal segment of PCUSA gained control of the denomination a decade or more ago, there has been an accelerating wholesale run for the exits.PCUSA is the mot rapidly shrinking mainline denomination in the country. Not only are individuals leaving, but entire churches are voting to disassociate because their congregations refuse to be linked to the foolishness being spewed in their name. Divestment will win next time simply because of the number of churches already planning on leaving. While some conservative congregations are trying to stick it out, primarily because they have been warned that if they try and leave the denomination will lay claim to their property, per capita payments (dues) are being withheld from the national organization in protest. Every budget cycle at the national level revolves around how many more jobs need to be cut. The only reason PCUSA is “evolving” in their liberalism is because so many conservative churches are leaving in outraged disgust. PCUSA is well on its way to becoming a small Radical Left branch of Presbyterianism important only in their own mind.
Report Post »atechgeek
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:52amPCUSA is a joke. I was on a search committee for a youth pastor and we interviewed several graduating students from Seminary Schools and the elder in charge rejected them all. He then hired a man who seemed nice, but the majority voted against him. The elder hired him anyway. No background check performed. Something was not right. Turns out, yep .. you guessed it, had a record .. child molestation convictions were uncovered after he approached several of our kids. The hypocrisy in this church is unparalleled. I stopped going to church all together for several years because of it.
Report Post »jaxboy
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:20amThe Palestinians, in concert with Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah, are determined to destroy Israel, as is the bulk of the Middle East. Their chosen method just happens to be claiming to be the rightful owners of Israel. By rights, Israel, when it won the 6 day’s war, should own a vastly larger area than they do. There is plenty of room for the Palestinians to live elsewhere.The Israelis own Israel, period. If the UN hadn’t meddled into her business, none of this mess would be occurring. Just one more reason rid ourselves of the UN.
Report Post »tajloc
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:15amTo all my presby buddies in the PCUSA… Time to give up the old building and get out from under. Read Bonhoeffer. What do you do when you are faced with “real” evil. You must object.
Report Post »Rom 8:28
AintLIBSjuzGreat
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:25amIf little suicide bombers were blowing up thier buses and wedding receptions and children These progressive so called christians would be singing a new tune like “screw that build a big wall”notice all the arab oil money filling our colleges w/jew hate amazing
Report Post »lessoneleg
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:09amFor the last what fifty odd years the Protestant Church has gone hard left of center. For example the United Church isn’t really a church per say anymore. It reflects a social club if anything. Long gone is the belief in Christianity. The older past Christian believers within the churches has been replaced by ever increasing liberalism. Those who embraced humanist beliefs pushed aside Christian beliefs. They outnumbered them at the National Meetings and therefore pushed for more and more humanist direction and less Christian past practice.
Report Post »As the direction of both the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches management went hard left politically so went the Christian past understandings of community. Members left the ever encroaching liberalism. Many stories talk about the dwindling body of members in the traditional Catholic and Protestant Churches. So who was left within these churches, hard left humanists. And so goes the decision path of these once strong stable churches.
They use to be churches, Sadly they are just empty shells of building where liberals hang out spewing their vitoral and pushing their humanist ideology since they are smarter than God, Therefore pushing Christianity to back benches and promoting their version of mankind.
kenboo1
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:19amDidn’t Jesus say that it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven? I know churches don’t go to heaven, but the church is doing what with their money? It sure isn’t serving the poor as Jesus preached… Oh….. I’m sorry, what was I thinking…. That‘s the government’s job!!! Motivation for turning hard left????
Report Post »honestynow
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:32amOne only has to go to the main website to see what’s truly going on.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:00amThe Catholic Church’s membership in the United States grew at the “robust” rate of about 1.5 percent in 2008, according to National Council of Churches’ (NCC) new 2010 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches.
A slight loss in Catholic membership in the U.S. was reported in the 2009 Yearbook, but the NCC said the latest figure shows “robust growth.” The growth outpaces the estimated U.S. population growth rate, listed as 0.9 percent, according to the CIA World Factbook.
There are now an estimated 68.1 million Catholics in the United States.
Report Post »muddpuddle
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:56amIf you’re still in the Presbyterian church after they embraced the homosexuals, then this stance against Isreal won’t move you either….. Looks like Presbyterians are predestined to be ignorant.
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:45amPresbyterians or PCUSA? The Presbyterians of America (PCA) broke from the social club in ‘73 to form a part of the Prebyterian church that is still Christian.
Report Post »TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:54amAnd in that day I will set about to DESTROY all the nations that come against Jerusalem, I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants with a Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.”
Zechariah 12:9 & 10
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:24amComrades, aren’t Christians silly? Every true believer knows that the only true religion is Marxism! So doing right is simply following the tenents of Marx!
Report Post »The Presbyterians just need a few more right thinking people and then they will expose what we all know that everything is the fault of the Jews!
Don’t look here, look over there…
geronomo
Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:34amComrade; you sure are stupid! If marxism had succeeded in encompassing the world a few decades ago, we would not be discussing this issue as there would be be no computers, or any other high tech equipment. If you were lucky enough to be near the top of the political heap, you may have owned a crappy LADA. Your wife would be queuing up way down the street trying to buy a miserable loaf of stale brown bread. bla, bla, bla. Wake up and think, you stupid idiot!
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Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:20amI have never understood American Jews. They consistently vote Democratic and yet complain when Liberals in the US show their true colors by being anti-Isreal. It is conservatives who stand up for Isreal when she is being bullied, harassed, and targeted for destruction. Wake up American Jews before it is too late!
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