‘An Unforgivable Insult’: Supporters Appeal to Supreme Court to Save ‘Unconstitutional’ War Memorial Cross
- Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:59am by
Billy Hallowell
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Last year, the Blaze first told you about a controversial cross atop the Mt. Soledad War Memorial in San Diego, Calif. As we reported, the religious symbol was deemed unconstitutional by the the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. But, despite this ruling, the fight is far from over. Supporters, led by the non-profit, conservative legal firm, Liberty Institute, have appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court to save what they see as an important memorial that commemorates U.S. soldiers. Additionally, the federal government, which has defended the cross’ presence thus far, may also appeal the decision.
In this Jan. 4, 2011 file photo, Rev. John Fredericksen of Orlando, Fla., alongside Burdette Streeter, of San Diego, takes a picture in front of the war memorial cross on Mount Soledad in San Diego. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull, File)
The legal battle has been going on for two decades and shows no signs of waning. Despite the cross serving as a commemorative monument, critics may point to the fact that it was also used in Easter celebrations back in the early 1900s. However, it was in the 1950s that it became a memorial to Korean War veterans. Our previous report provides insight regarding why atheists are continuing to push so adamantly against the cross:
The Mount Soledad war memorial currently sits on land that’s been under the control of the U.S. Defense Department since 2006. Though the city had owned the land for decades prior, the federal government’s acquisition of the land meant the city was forced to remove the cross or face daily fines. After the Defense Department acquired the land, a lawsuit was filed by a group of Jewish war veterans and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
Liberty Institute has now filed a petition on behalf of the Mount Soledad Memorial Association to allow the 29-foot cross to remain where it is, overlooking the Pacific Ocean in suburban La Jolla, California. In addition to its plea to the Supreme Court, the group has also been trying to save the cross through its “Don’t Tear Me Down Campaign.”
A screen shot from the "Don't Tear Me Down" web site
“If the ACLU gets its way and this veterans memorial cross is torn down, what will happen to the 20-foot Canadian Cross of Sacrifice in Arlington Memorial Cemetery and the countless others like it in nearly every community nationwide?,” the group asks on the “Don’t Tear Me Down” web site.
Supporters contend that the cross, in itself, isn’t “religious,” but that it commemorates soldiers who have served in battles as far back as World War I and as recent as Iraq. Mount Soledad Memorial Association head William J. Kellogg said that removing the cross would constitute ”an unforgivable insult” and he defended it, saying that similar crosses exist without incident in other cities.
“Why shouldn’t there be a military cross in San Diego, too?” Kellogg protested. “This is a military city whose veterans deserve to be remembered.”
But atheists couldn’t disagree more regarding its presence on federal land.
“This cross is unconstitutional in a multitude of courts and every time that happens they’ve upped the ante,” said Bruce Gleason, the founder of the Backyard Skeptics, a local atheist group (last year, Gleason organized an event during which atheists publicly ripped up Bible verses and, in a separate incident, he posted a billboard with an inaccurate Thomas Jefferson quote).
The ACLU, which won the 9th District lawsuit, obviously agrees with Gleason. The group takes particular issue with a bill that the U.S. House of Representatives passed last month that would allow for religious symbols to be displayed at war memorials; this cross was the key catalyst behind the congressional effort. Currently, supporters are pushing the Senate to approve the same measure. UT San Diego has more:
House Resolution 290, introduced by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, and co-sponsored by Republican Reps. Brian Bilbray of Solana Beach and Darrell Issa of Vista would not resolve the constitutionality of the cross. However, it would for the first time give statutory protection to religious symbols in all war memorials.
Critics of the legislation said it was unnecessary and inappropriate because determining the constitutionality of religious symbols rests with the courts.
Here’s Rep. Brian Bilbray (R-Calif.) defending HR 290 on the House floor last month:
“Congress cannot, by definition, authorize the government to violate the Constitution,” said David Loy, who works as the ACLU’s legal director in San Diego. “It’s unconstitutional for the government to sponsor and maintain this particular cross that is visible for miles. The point of a war memorial or veterans’ memorial is to remember all veterans.”
While atheists, the ACLU and other church-state separatists are pushing the issue, the Supreme Court has become more friendly to religious symbols being present on government property. In 2010, the high court refused to order the removal of a war-memorial cross from California’s Mojave Desert (the cross was later stolen).
This issue is far from resolved, as are other related religious freedom cases. In a separate incident, atheists have targeted a cross that was erected on the Marine Corps base of Camp Pendleton to honor fellow fallen troops. As atheists have continued to push for its removal, the military is now investigating the matter.
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Comments (234)
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:57amHow long until these enemies of a memorial to the fallen start demanding all crosses be removed from cemetaries and even the churches themselves? When will this madness finally end?
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:24amThe same reasoning could be used by these ACLU goons to start removing crosses from churches. They could claim that because they are seeing a cross from a public highway it is offensive and it is the state’s responsibility to keep us wussy-ACLU-freak-boy-God-haters from seeing crosses via public highways therefore, it needs to be removed.
I hope I didn’t just give some pointy headed spectacled ACLU boy a good idea. You freaks!
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:25amAnd a second thought…
Really, what’s it going to take to stop these people? The courts aren’t going to do it.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:55amI say make them come and get it. Then we can let them have it.
Report Post »GollygeeMrwilson
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:16amThey will come after Arlington Nat’l Cemetery next. I cannot believe I am seeing this happen in our USofA. We will either become what will be known as the generation that saved the world for freedom, or as the one that doomed the planet to slavery. Pray for America like you never have before.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:59amSecularism is on the rise and becoming more and more militant. There is a dark force behind it all. All evil needs to succeed is for good men/women to do nothing. Be proactive not reactive in your communities/families and take the fight to them. And make no mistake it is a fight. It’s a battle for the hearts and souls of future generations. I am convinced that the same dark force behind secularism is behind humanism/hedonism and collectivism and globalism.
Report Post »Bigliardi
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:07pmIt will never end..It will only intensify……
Report Post »stang289
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:14pmAtheist themselves are a religion . So removing the the cross and replacing it with nothing is promoting atheism a organized religion itself . Leave it alone . A true atheist wouldnt care or get insulted .a political activist would . So it has nothing to do with religion at all .
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:16pmWatchtheotherhand, the dark force is identifiable if you look. It is the ACLU and its supporters. Here are some names to start your search: Susan N. Herman, Nadine Strossen, Steven Shapiro, Dorothy M. Ehrlich, Geri E. Rozanski, Michael German… . Next look at their financial support.
You will find the high up in the ACLU, and you will also find the all too common thread of them being Jewish. Jews have, from the beginning, opposed Christianity. Nothing’s changed, except that they’ve gone more covert, in the shadows.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:20pmAren’t these the same “War Heroes” that died so this Cross COULD BE displayed? This is the greatest form of Hypocrisy I have ever witnessed, Satan is Truely working overtime. When you look up the word Hypocrite in the dictionary, they should list this artical as an example.
Report Post »TheCoffinMaker
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:52pmAmerica is turning into a dead tree, hollowed-out and gutted. Soon to be just a billboard sign on stilts, like the front of a Hollywood movie set.
…hoist up that Mexican flag!
Report Post »Gryphon Moor
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:18pm“When will this madness finally end?” For some, it will end with the rapture of the church.
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83plus
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:19pmACLU is behind this? NO surprise there. This is just another hijacking of ‘the separation of church and state’ In it’s true context, the separation of church and state doesn’t apply. The Church is not dictating to the State on law here and the state is not dictating to the Church on doctrine.The members of ACLU obviously missed that lesson back in school.
Report Post »finky555
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:10pmJust think what Arlington cemetery will look like when all the crosses are gone. In fact all the cemeteries. It is most definitely the cross that is feared, not it’s location. It would seem the law allows for anyone to request a memorial of their liking be added for their faith or non-faith, and I doubt that would be objectionable.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:31pmCross at cemeteries and churches are on private property and/or paid for by individuals. This cross is on federal land and more than likely funded by tax dollars. That is the difference. Public funds/property versus private funds/property.
Report Post »Firefighter 538
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:12pmIt is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
Report Post »George Washington
passenger
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:30pmWhen they have a hammer and sickle placed there. Or maybe a swastika or perhaps even a pentagram.
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:02pmyou atheists who complain at every turn you live in a christian nation weather you like it or not, if the crosses offend you pack your things and kindly get the hell out. show us where it says you have a right to not be offended. the constitution says FREEDOM OF RELIGION not freedom from it. Its time for Christians to stop putting you with these people. even our founders hit a point where they had had enough and took up arms. Its time to hit that point again. enough of these pukes! dont like it here get out! we are all done putting up with your whining. you wont be able to see our crosses from Europe, go there! We are done putting up with you.
Report Post »topherius
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:04pmThe military should sell this land to a non-profit private trust. As private property, the memorial would be fully protected by the 1st Amendment and atheists would have no basis for a lawsuit.
Report Post »1casawizard
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:01pmThese individuals were buried under the cross. Why desecrate the graves? This should be considered whimsical and dismissed.
Report Post »ihveit
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 7:29pmmaybe its time to remove all the telephone poles displayed all over the country? thats probably next.. those enemies of the cross needs to be publically humiliated…
Report Post »will
silentwatcher
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:54pmLets fix these bastards. I have PRIVATE land,,,,,I’m willing to have the War Memorial Cross placed on my property if you want to bring it and place it. No charge-it would be my HONOR to serve again. Baxfarm@yahoo.com
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:13amthe cross has nothing to do with the constitution it is a memorial. the terminally stupid are running america and it won’t be much longer before they destroy the country.
Report Post »Scotland1314
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:51pmits only a matter of time till some soldier salior marine or airman is wonded on a battlefiled and his priest minister or rabbi comes to give him the last rights and, the ACLU takes them to court over tis bogus seperation of church and state. its freedom of religion not freedom from religion.
Report Post »CulperGang
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:54amAthiest can look the other way. It is a choice. They can move out of thisJUDEO/CHRISTIAN nation. Christianity is the foundation of this nation. What they are REALLY advocating is the destruction of United States. This country is a HAVEN for Christians first and foremost. THAT is what Chrisitians came here for in the first place. ALL of these lawsuits need to be thrown out everytime, all the time. They are FRIVOLOUS. In CHRISITAN NATION. The are attacking the very foundation of the country. If they don’t like it, LEAVE.
Report Post »CulperGang
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:00amALL of the 9th District is ANTI-AMERICAN. Recall them. They engage in sedition ALL the time going against American values. RECALL THEM. These anti-Americans live in our neighborhoods???on our soil????
ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS engaged in Anti-American activities should be investigated for sedition.
Report Post »We the People ARE the actual government and this is ALL AGAINST EVERYTHING AGAINST US.
Our own POTUS and majority of Senators are AGAINST We the People. THAT IS sedition.
It is our civic duty to REMOVE anti-American politicians/policy makers.
BoomSlander
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:46amJews are against the cross. Did you even read the article? I’d also like you to point out where in the Constitution it says the USofA is a “Judeo-Christian Nation”. News flash: It doesn’t.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:10pm“… thisJUDEO/CHRISTIAN nation.”
Not true. This is a Christian nation. Judeo-Christian was an invention in 1940 to elevate the Jewish and lower the Christian aspect of the conversation, propaganda. Judeo-Christian historically referred to those Jews who converted to Christianity. Look it up yourself.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:21pmWholeheartedly agree with you. If they don’t like it LEAVE! This is a Judeo-Christian country. The cross is a common marker used to show respect to the fallen. If I lived in Israel, I would expect to see more Stars of David vs. crosses, etc If you don’t like where you live, MOVE! Try the middle east, I hear their religious rights are so well protected.
Report Post »filiusdracul
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:42pm@BOOMSLANDER
Yes it does, just between the lines. The constitution was written by Christians, and if you read the old testament, you understand that Judaism is the “father” of Christianity, in fact Christ was a Rabbi. So the two are inseparable. That is why we call America a Judeo-Christian Nation.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:03pmThe laws of man are the foundation of this nation, not some ancient superstition.
Report Post »BoomSlander
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:34pm@FILIUSDRACUL
No, it doesn’t. No where in the Constitution is their a mention of the Christian God, Jesus, or the Bible. Do not be ignorant simply because of your beliefs. This country was founded so that ANYONE could believe and worship however they please. ANYONE. It wasn’t founded so Chrisians could force their views and opinions on everyone else and simply tell any other groups to “Get out!”.
This whole comments section is yet another example of the closed minded ignorance championed by far too many on the right.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:36pm@CULPERGANG
It’s one thing to look the other way and another when federal property (owned by every tax payer) and tax payer funds (everyone pays their taxes) is used to create and install the cross/symbol. I have no problem, as an Agnostic, for you to have a cross on your lawn or on your place of business. It‘s another when it’s created and installed on public property using public funds. Just like how you don’t want tax dollars used to fund abortions, I don’t want tax dollars to fund anything that supports various groups while excluding others.
And this nation is founded on FREEDOM. Had they decided to create this nation as a Christian nation, they would have been no better than the theocracies they moved to the New World for. Why would they escape persecutions just to establish a new nation that would perform similar persecutions themselves? No, they wanted a nation of freedom and liberty.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:51pmENCINOM, last time I am wasting my time commenting upon your ignorance. You are nothing short of a pain in the azz, and you do not know what the Hell you are talking about. You have a frigging disease, and it is called Liberalism. Read, if you dare, “Liberalism: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness”, written by Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD, 35 yrs plus practice in Forensic Psychiatry, Phd from University of Chicago, School of Medicine. Enough said about you.
CULPERGANG, as you say this country was founded upon Judeo-Christian laws.
Report Post »Below, note in the first paragraph from the Declaration of Independence, in the second, Blackstone’s Commentaries.
“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
This has given manifold occasion for the benign interposition of divine providence; which, in compassion to the frailty, the imperfection, and the blindness of human reason, has been pleased, at sundry times and in diverse manners, to discover and enforce its laws by an immediate and direct revelation. The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law, and they are to be found only in the holy
its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:13pmhey boomstupor anyone with a half ounce of brains knows who founded this nation and why. just cause you try and rewrite the history of our nation don’t make it so.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:17pmTo further clarify, Sir William Blackstone, author of Commentaries, was widely quoted by our Founding Fathers in the drafting and language of the Declaration of Independence, by our jurists in the later 1700′s, 1800′s and beyond, including Supreme Court Justices Marshal, Wilson and others, and studied in our law schools.
It is quite clear and acknowledged that the Framers of our Constitution took their instructions from Blackstone’s Commentary on the Law, most particularly with respect to “Of the Nature of Laws in General”
Please reference:
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/spring97/blackstone.html
and
http://www.thewordmp3.com/blackstones_commentary.html
Indeed would give a great incite unto many who would choose to be enlightened about the foundations of are laws and precepts, at least deeply into the 1800′s, probably at least to the turn of the century when Progressivism began it’s dastardly intrusion into our laws and government.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:26pmBOOMSLANDER, get educated! Please take the time to read my posts, and more particularly, both posted website references in full, and while you are at it, drag ENCINOM along with you, as he, she, or it also needs some major enlightenment – more appropriately, a check up from the neck up.
Report Post »Rex Whitmer
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 6:53pmThe ninth district has too much area to cover and the variety of citizens whom have to use it are too diverse. It needs to be broken up and two more districts formed. California, Oregon, and Washington should all be in their own little district. The ninth district keeps trying to reflect the ideology that is so common to that part of the country! Per their percentage of reversals the entire should be impeached and the court be re-assembled.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:32pmAt the founding of this Nation 98% of the people did not have faith or trust in Muhammad, Buddha, Zarathustra, Jupiter, Saturn, Krisha, Horus, Zeus, Ra, Astarte, Baal, the Jewish Talmud, the Koran, the Pope, Brahman, Isis, Vishnu, or Satan. At the founding of this Nation 98% of the people were Protestant Christians having faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Since the very first settlers, Americans have always trusted in the Guidance of Almighty God.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), third U.S. President, chosen to write the Declaration of Independence, said: “I have little doubt that the whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator, and, I hope, to the pure doctrines of Jesus also.” He proclaimed that it was the God of the Bible who founded America in his 1805 inaugural address: “I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our forefathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in this country.”
At the founding of this Nation, it was Protestant Christians who were most influential and proactive in its creation. Muslims had their time to create a Nation, as did the Buddhists, Roman Catholics, Jewish communities, Arab nations, Hindus, etc. None were even remotely close to representing what the Protestant Christians were able to achieve in the 1700-1800′s. To think that any other people or faith can accomplish or maintain the same is a display of ignorance and denial of history.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:08pm@BoomSlander You said, “No, it doesn’t. No where in the Constitution is their a mention of the Christian God, Jesus, or the Bible.”
You’re wrong. The Constitution says, “done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred”.
News flash: “In the Year of Lord” does not mean in the year of our Lord Satan, but, in the Year of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
There are those who say such use of the word Lord was only used for dating purposes, and not in reverence to any deity. But this notion dismisses the many proclamations made by our early Congress, and early Presidents, recognizing and acknowledging God in national days of prayer, fast or thanksgiving.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:28pmWhen Benjamin Franklin was designing a seal for the US, he created one depicting Pharaoh and his armies being destroyed in the Red Sea, with Moses on the shore, with the children of Israel, raising his arms, and defeating his enemies by the power of God. In the inscription, he wrote, Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God. The Constitution says in it’s preamble, “and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”. The Declaration of Independence proclaimed that Liberty is an unalienable right endowed by our Creator to every man. James Monroe, fifth President of the US, said, “When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good.” Benjamin Franklin said, “I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.”
Report Post »Jim Bolliger
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:11pmPeople ruin their lives by their own stupidity,so why does God always get blamed?
Report Post »Ears that hear and eyes that see—we get our basic equipment from GOD.
Don’t bother talking to fools:they,ll only poke fun at your words.
Remove impurities from silver and the smith can craft a fine chalice; Remove the wicked from leadership, then authority will be credible and GOD-honoring. From Proverbs-<— My comment " don't sing to a pig. you only annoy the pig. It is a fact we are loosing our country nothing matters but the freedom we are losing. Zero man is not stupid, he is planning ever move to steel our freedom. He lies and is not to be trusted. How in the hell did he ever get in place?
Carol1955
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:49amActivist judges are trampling the constitution. The founding fathers were overwhelmingly Christian. Atheists love to point at Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin (out of over 200 founding fathers). One of Jefferson’s first acts concerning the new capitol building in 1800 was to approve church services in the capitol. He even brought in the Marine Corp band to play for worship services. He authorized federal funds for missionary work. Benjamin Franklin recommended that Christianity be taught in schools. We’ve forgotten about people like Benjamin Rush, John Witherspoon, Charles Thompson, and Francis Hopkinson. John Hancock is just a signature in today’s history while in truth he was a strong Christian who had many proclamations calling for prayer and fasting while serving as governor. We have allowed secular people to actually rewrite history and then we’ve allowed activist judges to solidify their perversion. The founders had a lot to say about activitst judges too. We need to seek the truth historically and spiritually.
Report Post »Grasshopper42
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:46am“Backyard Skeptics” – shouldn’t that be “Backyard Septics”? It smells to high heaven.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:44amIf you are threatened by a cross, you have serious mental issues.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:56amDid only Christians fight in America’s Wars?
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:00amThey Hate what it stands for.
Report Post »They Hate that people have hope beyond their control.
Choctaw25
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:14am@ Encinom; They may have professed to be non-Christians, but when the napalm hit the fan and they were knee deep in it. They sure prayed to God that we Christians who were piloting the slicks and gunships coming into a “Hot” LZ to pick them up weren’t atheists like them. I can’t count the number of times I heard, Thank you God for answering my prayers from a so-called non beliver.
Report Post »So, man up, Encinom.
cbtry16
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:58ammight want to look at some pics to see if “only Christians fought in a war”
Report Post »http://www.market-garden.info/military_cemetery_pics.htm
dblaess
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:19pmencinom
Report Post »Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:56am
Did only Christians fight in America’s Wars?
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Why no, no it was not only Christians. Thanks for asking. For this reason instead of tearing down, why not build recognized religious symbols of other groups who did (as long as they want them added). I see you do not use your real name. George is this you again?
filiusdracul
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:55pm@ENCINOM
No, but Christ helped all American soldiers fight.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:01pmThe Cross has no place at a war memorial other than a grave marker. If wasn’t just Christians who died in battle. Additionally, this is a clear violation of the Constitution that those men died protecting. The greatness of our country is that it is secular, where men of all creeds can feel represented, this cross is an affront to that notion and a disgrace.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 1:04pmfiliusdracul
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:55pm
@ENCINOM
No, but Christ helped all American soldiers fight.
Report Post »_________________________________
I doubt the Jewish, budhist, muslim, etc. would agree. The cross has no place there and needs to be riped from its foundations.
Daddy Hawg
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:43amHow is displaying a symbol unconstitutional? All that is written is that congress shall not establish a religion nor prohibit the expression thereof. The symbol does not force anyone to pray, worship or even acknowledge a religion. If I were to display the swastika openly I would be labled a racist, but the swastika is a valid religous symbol. I do preach religion to anyone and when someone tries to preach to me I ask them to stop or I walk away; something to do with freedom of choice and RESPECT. The last is something we no longer have here in the US and it is time to bring it back. The falsely named ACLU cares less about your rights and more about whether or not they can make a buck. So as far as I am concerned whatever the ACLU says is the treated as garbage.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:49amWhen Will People WAKE UP. This isn’t about being “fair” it’s about removing Christians from public view.
In some cities in the UNITED STATES Christians that have been Kicked out of renting Schools, (like NYC), have met in their own homes. The Anti-Christians followed them and are sueing them for zone violations.
They are telling them they can’t assemble inside their own houses, with people that think like they do. You know love thy neighbor, don’t steal, lie, etc….
I have been told that if I Discuss my faith at work I could lose my job.
Report Post »mils
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:49amThe more we give into these minorities, the more our country slides over the cliff.
Report Post »Minorities rule us…
shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:43amThey will never be satisfied. They will keep coming until all Christians are removed from public sight.
This is a War on Judeo/Christian values and the people that believe in them.
Two groups of people are in a large park. The Grp A tells Grp B it’s values. Some in Grp B are insulted and drive Grp A from the square, go to Grp A‘s meeting house and burn A’s symbol in front of it. Whenever Grp A members try to talk to anyone about this Grp B is there to beat them into silence.
The only Difference is the Anti-Christians use the courts some of which they have stacked.
Report Post »Mitchm999
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:03amI think that it is time to remove all the christians and return this country to its glory when people cared about each other.
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:51am@MITCH666
Report Post »Good luck with that endeavor fool ! Atheists and agnostics comprise, at most, 4% of the population in the USA. How do you propose you will will round up all us Bible quoting, gun totting Christians? You are a sad, pathetic, scared little man.
I suspect the opposite will be true. We, as the majority of this Judeo, Christian nation, have had quite enough of your insolence and are at a tipping point where it will no longer be tolerated. So, crawl back into your snake pit and keep your mouth shut !
JimL
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:40amThis is not the Way of San Diego.
Report Post »libtardian-refugee
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:50amWhy do atheists hate lower case “t”. You can’t even spell atheist without a lower case “t”
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:54amThe NAME of SAN DIEGO will be challanged. We can’t have a city Named saint diego now can we?
Report Post »It would show preferential for a religion and such a wierd one at that.
They believe in an invisible god that had a mortal son who came back to life, really? and we let them name cities?
mtfunk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:39amWhile reading this article I am reminded of all the uproar over the Taliban destroying the giant Budda’s in Afganistan, the argument being that they were destroying history. Atheists are out to destroy the history of our country one monument at a time. I am a Christian and love the idea of a cross that can be seen for miles and miles, but that is not why we need to win this battle. We need to win this battle before the history of our country is rewritten by those who don’t believe in it.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:06amThey have SELECTIVE VALUES.
And you expect logic from them?
Report Post »Libertyrevolutionary
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:39amWhen The US was truely a melting pot, people came here to assimilate. Now they come here to change everything to suit themselves. We now have to tolerate and accomodate their lanquages and religions over and above English and Christianity. A nation divided against itself cannot stand.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:12pmYou realize the point of the 1st Amendment’s establishment clause is that there is to be no state religion. No American should ever have to assimilate to any religion. Nor should any religion be held out as being more American. The Foundes gave us a secular nation to avoid the religious strife of Europe.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:34amSince the godless folks don’t believe a cross can serve as a war memorial, why don’t we put up a totally blank standard military headstone. This would give the athiests a non-religious hunk of stone to not worship.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:44amAnd they win.
That’s what they want,
Report Post »this is about removing Christians from the public forum.
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 5:09pmMy posting is sarcastic. Sorry, my bad.
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:34amACLU “ALLAHS’ civil libertys union” Allah and union in on e sentence. Makes me vomit. Atheists and lawyers have done as much to destroy our country as obama has. Keep fighting San Diego against those ACLU atheist antichrists!
Report Post »lynnissmart
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:30amIf you are offended by the cross, don’t look at it! It’s that simple!!!!! period!!!
Report Post »Phluffy666
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:29amAs an atheist, I just want to say that this has always been a ridiculous arguement. The Constitution simply states that the government cannot establish a state religion, and that it cannot choose to favor one religion over another.
As long as the government is fair in allowing any religion or atheist group to build memorials, I see no basis for this sort of hype. Personally, I would be happy to donate money for an atheist organization to buils a giant Darwin Fish memorial to the right of the cross for atheist veterans, and might even float a few dollars to a Jewish group to build a Star of David memorial on the left side for the Jewish vets.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:46amI like what you have said here…
Report Post »GERATMO
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:06amThe point is that this country was founded on Christian values and Christian traditions. More people would be offended by its removal.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:08amYes I support your idea.
They won’t, and havn’t in the past.
You are sane, they are not.
Report Post »filiusdracul
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:48pmI can see that you are a true atheist since you regard my God as I would a unicorn. Kudos to you for your integrity.
Report Post »9111315
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:29amOne person is offended by it being there but 1 million are offended by taking it down. Do the Math.
They don’t believe in god, so there symbol is nothing. I look in a lot of places and I see nothing. I’m offended. We need to put something everywhere to eliminate the offensiveness of nothing.
What better than a cross to replace nothing everywhere. Put one everywhere.
Report Post »SouthSideGirl
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:23amIf someone ATTEMPTS to remove this cross it will have to be over the bodies of OCCUPY AMERICA!
Report Post »WE HAVE HAD IT!
IT’S TIME TO STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS.
Glock31
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:32amwe should have snipers watching these memorials at all times to prevent theft
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:21amYou don’t like us displaying crosses in our Country? Get the hell out of it and move to Iran.
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:31amI’ll second that opinion!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 2:17pmJust keep the symbolsof your superstition off of public land. Put all the crosses you want on your own property. And no I am not leaving I am an American that values the Constituiton, unlike you. Actually the religious extremism of Iran is similar to that of the “christians” that post on the Blaze.
Report Post »KitchenTableDialogues
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:19am“The point of a war memorial or veterans’ memorial is to remember all veterans”
When we remove the cross from a war memorial, we honor only one religion: Atheism.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:29amVery well said, excellent arguement. Thank you.
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:20amThat was very well put. You are right. All our soldiers have spilled their blood for Freedom and Truth that same way as Jesus did. I will Pray for Mine Enemies, that they see the Truth.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:25pmIs the memorial there to honor religion or fallen warriors?
Report Post »AmericaTheFree
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:18amSilencing religious expression, even on public land, was NEVER the intent of separation of church and state. It was meant to keep government from taking control of religion to control its citizens. This is disgusting and people should be offended.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:24amRight on, Brother.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:27amWell then fight Christian of America quit paying taxes to a government that continues to strip away your rights. Remove your children from public schools and demand that you state and local taxes be cut to reflect the percentage which the state and local government use in public schools. March on the Capital barge into the hall of Congress and occupy D.C.
Report Post »I for one am sick and tired of paying for government programs that I don’t use,will never use and will never benefit me or my family. The only I need from Washington is the close and protect the borders and defend the country.
I recently saw a navy commerical refering to our navy as a GLOBAL PEACE KEEPER.
our navy’s job is to protect our country not police the oceans.
jcldwl
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:38amIt’s too late the Government has already established the religion of secularism and the current administration is working hard to implement it. Pray people pray and don’t be affraid to show and share your faith. If we Christians all stand up together the enemy will cower in the darkness. Stand Up.
Report Post »DD313
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:18amMaybe the ACLU will take up the cause of removing the plus sign from all arithmetic textbooks++++++++
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:00amShhhhhhhh ! Don’t give them any ideas.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:16amSince when does the ACLU revere the Constitution and use it as an example? Only when it suits their purposes.
Report Post »bpodlesnik
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:16amThe day they try and take down that cross, I’ll be there standing right in front of it, defending it.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:13am“If the ACLU gets its way… .”
Like I’ve been saying all along, the Christian enemy is Jewish, not Muslim. Susan N. Herman, Nadine Strossen (‘The ****** Monologue’ fame.), Steven Shapiro, Dorothy M. Ehrlich, Geri E. Rozanski, Michael German… .
This is why Rabbi Daniel Lapin has said that the leadership of the ACLU is reminiscent of a Temple board meeting. Facts speak for themselves. Fundamentalists and those well versed in obfuscation ignore the facts.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:09amThe brave new world rules are:
1) Anything Christian is wrong
2) Laws are needed for lowest intellect among us
3) There is no such thing as personal accountability
4) The smallest minority opinion gets the most attention.
Welcome to America in 2012.
Report Post »kentuckypatriot
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:09amIs it me, or has anyone noticed the influx of legal issues regarding a cross, Ten Commandments, etc being threatened since zero has been in office? Or, maybe it‘s because I’m awake now.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:17amProbably a little of both. The progressive toads have sure come out into the light, and it is now cool in a San Fran bath house kind of way to be socialist. Some of us used to shoot at targets representing socialist, now, they are in congress. Odd times.
Report Post »If they put up an empty frame next to Jesus, would that in essence represent what the atheist represent?
momrules
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:19amNo Kentucky, you are right. The atheists have picked up the pace since Obama came into office.
Report Post »bpodlesnik
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:21amI think it’s because The Blaze is really good at reporting these stories. But yes, there seems to be a growing number of them.
Report Post »JonSigMan
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:18am@Kentuckypatriot
You are correct on both, their time is short and they know it, and we are waking up slowly but surely.
The time is coming for us to stand, but be strong and still as well, unmoveable.
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