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Anti-Semitic? Nation’s Largest Presbyterian Group to Vote on Israel Divestment

(The Blaze/AP) — Once again, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) finds itself at the center of controversy over a potential anti-Israeli move the church may plan to make. The denomination, the largest Presbyterian group in the United States, is considering divesting from three companies over the Israeli military use of their products in the Palestinian territories.

(Related: Proposed Document Asks Presbyterian Denomination to Condemn Israel‘s ’Apartheid Against the Palestinian People’)

The proposal before the PC(USA) has outraged many Jewish groups who sent representatives to the church’s national assembly in Pittsburgh this week to lobby against the measure. Divestment supporters say the targeted companies – Caterpillar Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Motorola – are profiting from Palestinian suffering. The American Jewish Committee, a public policy group, has said the proposal demonizes Israel and threatens Christian-Jewish relations.

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) to Vote on Israel Divestment

Debate and vote were scheduled for late Thursday.

Pro-Palestinian Presbyterians have been trying for years to persuade the denomination to divest. But the church has been dissuaded by U.S. Jewish groups and other Christians who argue that withdrawing investments will not contribute to peace in the region. At this year’s Presbyterian General Assembly, pro-divestment activists believe momentum is on their side.

Pension funds in Norway and Sweden have divested themselves of holdings in some firms involved in building in settlements or helping to erect Israel’s contentious West Bank separation barrier. European activists have stepped up pressure on companies by exposing their West Bank ties and picketing stores that sell goods produced in Israeli settlements.

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) to Vote on Israel Divestment

Last week, the U.S. investment firm MSCI Inc. announced it had removed Caterpillar from three of its popular indexes that track socially responsible investments, citing concerns about the Israeli military’s use of company bulldozers in the Palestinian territories. The MSCI decision led mutual fund giant TIAA-CREF to divest $72 million in Caterpillar stock.

Caterpillar has come under scrutiny because of the Israeli military’s use of armored-plated Caterpillar bulldozers. Caterpillar says it does not equip tractors with armor or sell directly to the Israeli military. Instead, equipment is first sold to the U.S. government and then resold to Israel and outfitted for military use.

Other major American Protestant denominations, including the United Methodist Church and the Episcopal Church, have rejected past divestment proposals.

The exact amount of money involved in the Presbyterian divestment is unclear. The funds are divided between the church Board of Pensions and the Presbyterian Foundation. The board investments are estimated to be around $16 million. However negligible the economic impact, pro-Palestinian activists consider the withdrawal of funds an act of social witness.

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) to Vote on Israel Divestment

The Rev. Walt Davis, of the Israel Palestine Mission Network, a pro-Palestinian Presbyterian group, argued the denomination would have divested years ago from the companies under church’s own socially responsible investment guidelines “were it not for the Israel lobby.”

“They said first that it’s anti-Semitic, then that it’s anti-Israel, then that it delegitimizes Israel. It’s none of those,” Davis said. “It’s us being true to our values.”

But the liberal-leaning Americans for Peace Now, which calls for the evacuation of Jewish settlements in the territories and supports a Palestinian state, said the Presbyterian effort was “misguided and counterproductive.”

“Divestment campaigns such as this therefore raise very real and understandable worries about global anti-Semitism and the perception that the campaigns are not truly (or only) about Israeli policies but rather reflect a deep-seated hatred for and rejection of Israel,” the group said in a statement ahead of the vote.

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  • LAPhil
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:16pm

    And I thought Christians supported Israel.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:49pm

      Only the ignorant uninformed uneducated ones.

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    • Ohello
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:39pm

      Presbies USA is part of the Rainbow LGBT agenda. If they side with homosexuality they are anti-scripture. For sure they are anti-Israel. Which is weird because a bunch of Jewish people are all for homosexual behaviors to the point they elect Barney Frankfurter, and watch Anderson Cooper.

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    • TMink
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:03pm

      Those Presbyterians are descendant from the liberl theology movement of the 1900s that sought to remove spriritual and supernatural content and focus on the moral teaching of Jesus. They are in point of fact apostate and deny Holy Scripture.

      I left that bunch for the Presbyterians who believe the Bible.

      Trey

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    • woodyl1011fl
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:04pm

      These people in PCUSA are not true Christians they are false teaching apostates. They deny the authority and inerrancy of Scripture the Apostle Peter accurately describes this false so christian church organization in .2 Peter 2:1-3 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.”.

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    • DYNA
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:10am

      @LAPhil

      There are CINOs or Christians in name only. They might be religious but they do not know Jesus the Christ. As Jesus has said, they might exhibit a form of godliness but they deny the power thereof, from such avoid.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 4:27am

      False Christians.They don’t follow the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation.

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    • VigilantGuardShark
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:17am

      Any Christian who doen‘t recognise that the Jewish faith is our ’elder brother’, that we worship the same God and read the same Old Testament, and hold dear most of the same moral foundations sorely lacking in much of society today, needs to reexamine the history of the faith.

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    • Classical Liberal
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 2:04pm

      It’s one thing to support an Israeli state and whole other thing entirely to support the oppression of the people of Palestine.

      The current situation in the land of Palestine is unacceptable. Israel has Its state at the costs of palestinians living in large ghettos/internment camps which grow smaller each year with new Israeli development on those lands. They are kept fenced in by the Israeli military who use rifles and tanks suppress the Palestinians.

      Being an American who cherishes my liberty and freedom, I am appalled by the actions of Israel to these people. We are constantly fed BS and propaganda that the Palestinians are an evil people who wish only to kill jews, and many Americans eat that crap and ask for more. Many who do support the oppression of Palestinians use the religious context of the Christian bible to justify these atrocities. It makes me sick every time I read that garbage. If your preacher, your church or your faith believes that these injustices are holy scripture, you are being deceived by a devil.

      As Christians and proud Americans who cherish liberty and the word of Christ, we cannot stand by and allow the current situation in the holy land to continue. A change needs to happen that will make the land free for all men. Those great deceivers who will claim that freeing the palestinians will bring about the jewish destruction are selling you BS. The oppression of a group of people for the security of another is a grave injustice.

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    • Teutonus
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:41am

      How in the he!! can a church boycott of a business be anti-Semitic? Anti-Israel does not mean anti-Semitic anymore than being anti-Iran makes you racist. Like “racist”, this is a communist (Trotsky) term that is used to shut down and win arguments. Jews use it all the time with great success just like Sharpton and Jackson use racist.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:07am

      Liberalism is communism , This group are not Christians, they may think but in their hear they are not , you cannot say you love Christ who was born a Jew and hate the Jewish people who gave us the Bible both old and new testaments .But they along with all haters of God will stand in his judgment and be judged by their own words and deeds. Life is short but eternity is forever and I will choose the word of God over the false promises of man and false teachings as given by this group. The Jewish people were given the land by God , dispersed and now brought back into the land as the Bible told us. The Jewish people take care of those that call themselves Palestinians which are in reality the children of migrant workers that came to Israel for work. This is part of the liberal/communist work against Gods chosen people. Read your Bible and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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  • majasdad
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:13pm

    I’ve boycotted Israeli products for years – that’s the least I can do for the Palestinians.

    I really hope that Israel divestment vote passes. Good initiative.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:43pm

      I just finished reading over recently declassified papers on various sites (Dr. Duke) describing the elablorate plot in which Israel and particular Netanayu acted to steal Uranium from America diverting it to Israel… Interesting!

      Now wonder when the Blaze, FOX News, CNN and the Jew York Times does an expose on that??? What about you Stossel? Or is that hitting too close to home?

      Israel a truly International Terrorist Regime seeking to dominate the entire World through their pathetic puppet Gov’t in DC!

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    • Vet003
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:51pm

      Idiot!

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    • RockinChuck
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:08pm

      your kind will fall

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    • tzion
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:05pm

      Really? Did you check to make sure your computer processor wasn’t made in Israel? Do you research medicine to determine which drugs and treatments were invented by Israelis? You don’t happen to buy Motorola by any chance?

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  • bcskulker
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:51pm

    As part of a number of covenants with the Jews, God promised the scattering of His chosen and subsequent return to their homeland; including their protection through what we call the Tribulation. We are seeing prophecy unfold as we watch.
    As a Christian I would both warn and remind the Presbyterian Church of what God stated in regard to the Jewish people in the OT:

    Genesis 12:3 “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed” KJV

    May I also remind you that our Lord, Jesus Christ sprung from the Jewish people.

    Sadly this is not the first time Christians have treated Jews abominably. As a ‘recent’ case, look how the Roman Catholic Church and many others treated them during WWII. This will not be forgotten. Let us (Christians) pray for the Jewish people and their homeland; Israel.

    God Bless from one of ‘God’s Frozen People’ (thank you Leslie Nielsen) here in Canada.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:11pm

      They should also read Jeremiah 31:31 God said He would make a NEW Covenant with Israel and Judah. Those

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    • piper60
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 5:20am

      The “apartheid” reference in the title indicate shallowness to a remarkable degree. In /Israel there are savages who want to kill Jreish family, and who do so. Making it harder for them to succeed is an elementary function of any government. There is no moral requirement to grant murderees easy access to one’s children.

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    • Constantine Ivanov
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:31pm

      @BCSKULKER:

      “all the families of the earth” does not mean Israel only, as far as I can read.
      Not to mention that Abram (who made “a little geschäft” with Pharaoh by procuring his own wife), later Abraham, was the forefather of many tribes, not only Israelites: also the Ishmaelites, Midianites and Edomites.
      But I know that the facts I bring won’t change the clichés that are rooted in your brain.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on July 26, 2012 at 12:11pm

      It was through Issac’s seed which leads to Israel (Jacob) and Joseph and the other 11 tribes which we call the Jews today, the Bible follows the seed through Issac so the covenant is through the Jewish People, not those that came out of wedlock or from Abraham’s second marriage .

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  • ruffy
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:39pm

    It’s NOT anti-Semitic, nor are we at war with Islamic terrorists, nor is Obama a communist, nor is Obama an illegal alien, nor is Obama malevolent, nor are we at war with leftists, nor is the media biased, not was Mr. Breitbart and his medical examiner assassinated, nor was gun-running to Mexico to take guns away from Americans the reason it happened, nor is America up the creek because the CFR has it in its crosshairs!

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  • KidCharlemagne
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:38pm

    Isn’t that always the boilerplate response though?:

    Ex-Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni: “Calling People Anti Semitic is a Trick to Stifle Criticism! We Always Use it !”

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:36pm

    Churches that turn their back on Jerusalem are not christian churches. Because Christians are grafted onto the tree. And to reject the branch is to cut your self off from the body.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:40pm

      Remember what God said in Revelation 2:9 though:

      ———————————
      “I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

      -Revelation 2:9

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    • DYNA
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:55am

      @KidCharlemagne

      Yes there was a synagogue of Jews that were of satan that persecuted the Christian Church just as there are some who call themselves Christians that are of satan. These will not stay with that which is of Christ because they were not really part of it to begin with.
      You will also notice in the Book of Revelation that in the Tribulation the Jews become the main witnesses for Jesus the Christ and will be martyred for it. You will also see that there are those of Jewish descent who have a major role in the Heavenly Jerusalem of which the earthly one is only a type and shadow of.

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    • DYNA
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:28am

      @KidCharlemagne

      In addition, notice that Jesus did NOT say that Jews are of satan.

      He said that those who say they are Jews, and are not (Jews), are of satan. In this case those who are not Jews are of the synagogue of satan.

      Then one can extrapolate that there are those who say they are Christians, and are not (Christians), are of satan. In this case those who are not Christians are of the church of satan.

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  • tothepoint
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:33pm

    The ignorance of those who support the Palestinians is astonishing.

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    • KangarooJack
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:31pm

      Isn’t it???

      It is utterly amazing how those who would be STONED TO DEATH were they in said Middle Eastern Nation just line on up to the PC Gravy Train. Flabbergasted is my word.

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  • Portwine
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:04pm

    If I belonged to any church that held that belief, I would leave. My church does not preach that as a gospel teaching, bible scripture, or any thing else that holds that belief. That would be my FORMER church.

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    • crisnick
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 5:32pm

      Our church is in a difficult position because the PCUSA holds the deed to the land it’s on. The PCUSA did, however, allow them to divert their funding away from the national PCUSA and keep it local as an expression of their disagreement with Prop 10 (allowing gay clergy). If they stay on track they will have their mortgage paid off in 2017 and hopefully can distance themselves more.

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  • TEARS FOR AMERICA
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:43pm

    For the life of me, what the heck is going on? Read this article and your blood will boil…

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/giulio-meotti/exposing-the-vatican-islam-alliance/?utm_source=FrontPage+Magazine&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=298029efd6-Mailchimp_FrontPageMag&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

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  • Bro. Chuck
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:39pm

    This will open your eyes…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osIx3tmvioY

    This has been festering below the radar for the last few years –
    http://www.jewishawareness.org/christian-palestinianism/

    Just goes to show you how easy the wind blows those not firmly rooted in an understanding of the things of our Creator YHWH…..

    Watch and realize just how insidious this really is…..
    you may recognize a name or two –

    Pray for the Peace of Yerushalyim!

    Be Bless’d in Yeshua!

    Bro. Chuck

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:36pm

      NEVER EVER BELIEVE a PALESTINIAN. Palestine was the name of the TERRITORY… JESUS was JEWISH. NO DOUBT. Now the lying Palestinians will try to twist every piece of history for their own good. They are liars. They are Muslims pretending to be CHRISTIANS. St. George’s College is an Anglican Front in Jerusalem. The Archbishop in Jerusalem (Lebanon, Jordan,Syria) is a Palestinian Christian (but now we see that he’s probably a Muslim PRETENDER) who also has a school for Children which was not opened to any ‘outsider’…probably a Muslim brain washing madrassas. (sp)
      There is no end to the INSULT of calling JESUS anything but JEWISH BORN. GOD will level it out.
      As far as the POPE in ROME? Better that he fly their flag since it’s (Bethlehem) in their territory than it be taken away . WE TOTALLY TRUST GOD, GOD is the truth. Palestinians are such Liars. They fool no one but they are really messin‘ with someone they should know better than messin’ with. BUT PEOPLE: Right now we have to get our Country away from the Muslim Brotherhood and their Islamic freak in the WH now. Then we can deal with these proverbial liars. Catholics have never ever said anything but the Truth about our Lord. They (the Islamic animals) are hell-bent to split the 28% of Americans who are Catholic away from the rest of America; You are correct that they are to dangerous, they are so horrible that it defies our ability to express how wicked and evil they are.
      I would never

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:48pm

      Take whatever any Palestinian/Muslim says and KNOW that it is a LIE. Period.

      HOW dare anyone try to say “GOD has changed HIS MIND”…what idiots!!! All of these WICKED, EVIL, SELF-SERVING men and their faux teaching have one purpose: FOOL all the INFIDELS and take over the world. These ‘men’ helping them are useful idiots and they will find out. The rest of us need to stay true.

      Were there towns whipped out in the Old Testament. YOU BET. Reason? Evil. These people were so EVIL as to require GOD to whip them off the face of the earth. WHO dares to question GOD?
      Jesus didn’t say GOD has CHANGED. JESUS said “He is the same Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow” SILLY MEN. Horrid Anglicans. WELL of course they are, look how they began! Look WHY they began! NO THANKS, I’m grateful for my Catholic Belief. I‘m grateful for my travels and studies and I’m totally confident that Pope Benedict is serving our Lord. I have also concluded there is NO SUCH THING as a CHRISTIAN PALESTINIAN. I SUPPORT ISRAEL!!!

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  • jamesctheman
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:35pm

    Do you really think the Federal government is going to stop buying equipment it turns into military hardware because of PC(USA)? Yeah right. They force contraceptives on Catholics & told them to suck it. 16 million isn’t squat. What it really is are Christians turning their backs on the Jews. I find this to be more reprehensible then the actual divestments. How can you turn your back to God in his name & say it’s for a good thing? I’m going to make sure these companies get my support in some way. I’m tired of hearing about the plight of the palestinians. The arabs in the countries around them took more from those people than Israel could ever do. It was easier to keep the blame on Israel.

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  • MarketsClear
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:34pm

    The Israelis and zionists have a sweet deal. They have manged to tie the state of israel to the jewish culture to the point where they argue that any criticism of the state is a demonization of the culture. This is a huge logical fallacy, but for some reason they get away with it.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Kind of like the notion that any criticism of Obama is racist?

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:12pm

      You do realize Israel is a Jewish State right? You do realize it was given by covenant with God to the Jewish People right?

      Kind of hard to untie that knot that links the two

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    • majasdad
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:01pm

      The Israelis and zionists have a sweet deal. They have manged to tie the state of israel to the jewish culture to the point where they argue that any criticism of the state is a demonization of the culture. This is a huge logical fallacy, but for some reason they get away with it.

      Exactly. That “some reason” crux of the biscuit you refer to is a broad reaching, extremely complex and well orchestrated strategy that Israel has effectively implemented since 1948 that incorporates denial, collective guilt trips, feigned outrage, oppression, cover-ups, provocation, media indifference, fairy tales, politics, religious extremism, terrorism, hypocrisy etc. etc.

      The sad thing is also that the careless usage of the term “anti-semite” also blurs the focus on true anti-semites, and God knows there are enough of those around.

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    • majasdad
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:17pm

      Sorry Marketsclear,
      didn’t mean to paste in your comment in my comment. I don’t know how that happened.

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  • American83
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:33pm

    The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is very liberal and many of the conservative Presbyterian Churches have left them – take a look at the new organization for conservative Presbyterian Churches called E.C.O. as well as others – much more conservative and stand by Israels side – not all Presbyterians are the same – one should remember that in all groupings you try to categorize

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    • DissenterKnight
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 3:21pm

      The current conservative remnant forming started out as the Fellowship; the name E.C.O. (Evangelical Covenant Order) came out of the last big organizational meeting last year. There was, how can I put this… much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the pews when is dawned on everyone that the new body’s initials spelled eco; there is so much baggage attached to that term. There’s already been some movement toward formerly changing this to the Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians. [[http://www.fellowship-pres.org/eco/]]

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  • great white hunter
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:21pm

    Anything pro palestinian is by logic anti-American. Anyone or any organization that supports pro palestinian (read terrorist) beliefs is anti-American.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:39pm

      TRUST ME. THAT IS CORRECT. How pathetic that their pitiful tale of woe has become such a tragedy among all nations. Of course Arafat took the Billions of our tax money and stashed it, don’t know what his Parisian Widow is on about. He died of AIDS. Who knows how many little boys that freak infected. There was never a country called Palestine; The Jordanians and the Lebanese took thousands of acres that could have easily made for a great split between Jews and Arabs in 1947…but leave it to the good ol’ UN dopes , Jordan wasn’t even asked to return the land grabbed nor was Lebanon. And, Jews have lived there as long as there have been Jews 6000 years +- and
      many Palestinians work in Israel. Only Arafat types who wanted the money; refused to make peace and the ones keeping the Arab (Palestinian) Children amped up on hating Jews with their cartoon characters and their hate-filled schools; their adherence to Sharia to control the women/children are the Problem. It could have been solved decades ago, but it’s worth a lot of $ to keep it stirred up.
      HOW horrible for a few to do that to so many!!! what a waste of this life. MARANATHA.

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  • jamesctheman
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:01pm

    Once the churches start falling in line with the progressives the real problems begin. Hitler did the same thing. It was much easier for him to get so many to disavow God since the people were so ready to believe. Here they know incrimental steps are needed to root God out of American values. Honestly they have no idea what evil they’re supporting. The amount of lies and deciept that comes out to demonize Israel from the fake funerals to the same bodies being dressed in different clothes to fake atrosities or killing which never happened. Go against Israel & you’re going against God.

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  • samtheman
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:50pm

    The PC(USA) not only super-PC(Politically Correct,) but both ignorant and historically INCORRECT! What is sadly hilarious is that PC(USA) wants to show support for a group of people who danced gleefully in the streets of towns and villages in the West Bank on 9/11 and joyously would cut any Christian’s throat at a convenient moment. Self-righteous stupidity is reaching a new low in the Western Hemisphere.

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:43pm

    So Caterpillar and others are supposed to get what.. from buyers of their products? Some sort of mission declaration stating what they intend to do with the equipment?
    I guess it is what it is ….The Lefts proclivity at patting themselves on the back thinking of themselves as the Calvary riding to the rescue as the protector of the less powerful defending themselves against the Powerful. In this case the Less powerfully out number the “powerful” by maybe 30×1 and have a goal of visiting Biblical destruction on the people of Israel.
    But hey being on the left means you don’t have to be very Deep just hypersensitive to feelings.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:42pm

    how about you people that care so much about those shitholes move out of this country and live there instead of taking our tax money to fund unproductive islamists and zionists. If you don’t put this country first get the hell out now! You folks are traitors!

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    • tzion
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:16pm

      And here I actually thought you were a Libertarian. Last I checked, being an American isn‘t defined as someone whose first loyalty is to their country’s government. Being an American in my book means being a productive worker who values freedom and respect for the individual. You however will only respect other Americans if they care about America and nothing else. Sorry Indy, but MY first loyalty is to my friends and family. If I feel Israel‘s continued prosperity is beneficial to me and my family I’ll support Israel. If you want America to be great, you need to convince those who can make it great that living in America is in THEIR best interests, not yours. You’re nothing but a selfish little OWS-type that wants everything to benefit you personally.

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    • resme
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:48pm

      You can always write a check, tzion, don’t have to steal it from my wallet. Foreign aid to any country is wrong.

      You cry about welfare in the usa, But we support israel socialized medicine and “abortions”.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:01pm

      @RESME

      Was foreign aid to Poland wrong during the Cold War? Foreign aid should be for our allies alone and under the conditions that:

      a) We can afford it.
      b) It advances our national interests

      I find it funny that Libertarians only cry about foreign aid when it comes to Israel. Wonder why that is?

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:48pm

      I’m with you. I’ve about had enough of these Zionist collaborators. They are enemies of the US Constituion and traitors to America!

      I have older brother that’s a part time Baptist preacher.. Uneducated ignorant as can be but he worships Israel John Hagee and the rest of the Zionist televangicals… He told me not to speak to his children about Israel… That it was Satanic to talk about Israel in a negative manner…. lol

      Like I said,I’ve about had all that I can take out of these fools.. I never dreamed we such idiots in our country.. I really think they just need to get the hell out like you say.. If their interests in defending and supporting a foreign state then by God carry your ass over their and fight for them!

      But leave me out of it! I don’t want to hear the BS propaganda which you spew 24/7 through various Media in the US.

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    • resme
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:25pm

      @squid, Ya it was wrong to give it to poland, It’s stealing from poor people to help rich dictators. I’d rather pay for socialized medicine here(jews included), then for israel’s healthcare.

      Taxation is theft, If i come to your house point a gun to your head and give your money to your neighbor, would you be angry? After all, It’s so your neighbor can buy a new television for his palace.

      No foreign aid, FOR ANYONE.

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    • tzion
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:13pm

      @Resme
      If you knew anything about me you‘d know I’m against foreign aid even to Israel. The only kinds of foreign aid I might support are relief efforts following a disaster. I’m all for allowing companies to sell to Israel but I feel that government foreign aid acts as a lease by which the US politicians attempt to control other countries. All lot of people try to show foreign aid to Israel as proof that Jews control the US but in reality the US uses that aid in order to have a say in what Israel does. Notice how Netanyahu has to run his intentions on Iran past Obama first?

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  • christos
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:38pm

    The Churches listed above are using +JESUS+GODS+ $ to fight against +JESUS+GOD+ already knew that would happen the Bible says so,,the Churches listed above are just like the world whats the point oh yew “Human Secularism” you go church go save the world now minus +JESUS CHRIST+. Leave Israel & the Jewish People alone you Heathens.

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  • Iamnotanumber
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:34pm

    Presbos’ walk carefully on the ground in which you are currently afoot!!! Read your Bible and reflect on it!! As i recall those who turn their backs to God do not fare very well. Before you decide maybe you should consult with Jewish leadership on the decision before you, they may have some insight!!! Choose wisely, the fate of your denomination may depend on your decision.

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    • starman70
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:09pm

      I’ll buy some of the stock they sell!!! Boy these people are really off base.
      FIRST OF ALL, the Presbyterians need to read ALL the tenets of Islam and realize that it’s the Palestinians who are trying to kill all the Jews and TAKE even the land given them in 1948. All the Jewish people want is to be left alone and co exist with their neighbors.
      SECONDLY, It wasn’t the Isralei people who launched 3 wars in the area, it was the Palestinians along with various Arab countries whose intent was to EXECUTE every Jew, men, women and children.
      THIRDLY, It is not the Israelis who are constantly launching rockets at the Jews, it is the Palestinians. How would you feel if your home town was under almost constant attack from rockets fired by the city next door?
      FOURTHLY, It isn’t the Israelis who are strapping bombs to themselves and entering arab areas to kill and maim as many people as possible, it’s the Palestinians.
      FIFTHLY, It isn’t the Israelis who, from kindergarden through high school, teach their children that martyrdom is an honor. It’s the Palestinians. The Israeli‘s don’t brainwash their children and teach military drills, tactics and manuvers from K thru grade 12, It’s the Palestinians who do that. The Israelis don’t have cartoon shows on TV teaching their kids to kill Palestinians, no, it’s the Palestinians who resort to those tactics.

      These politically correct morons need to do some real research into the true conditions in the middle east. The conclusi

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    • Liberty 4x4
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:16pm

      The Presbyterian Chruch, USA (PCUSA) is liberal progressive and an aberrant, PC, social justice, neoMarxist blend of New Ageism, while the Presbyterian Church, America (PCA) is a grounded, conservative, Bible-believing Judeo/Christian institution. The PCUSA has gone the way of the Episcopal Church, that is, to perdition. Most true ex-Episcopalian Bible-believing Christians broke away to the Anglican Church. So, all main-line denominations are not lost heretics. You just have to know the nomenclature to distinguish the truth.

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:30pm

    Barf!

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  • toiletclogga
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:27pm

    Glad I’m not a Presby any longer. The Libs have taken over this denomination.

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  • techengineer11
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:26pm

    When the Blaze and the Jewish Media is through dragging their name through the mud they’ll be beggging the Jews for forgiveness just like they require every other person or group on the planet that dares challenge them… But they do this through their International Media.. That’s how they manipulate the masses.

    They are simply the most evil deceitful people on earth but they pay well don’t they Glenn “The Rodeo Clown”…. lol

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:14pm

      A question for you Tech. one that i’m sure no one has asked you before. It is obvious to all you have no love for Jews,the Jewish People or the State of Israel. You see and reject all efforts of this community to have input over the decisions coming from Washington and the world stage in general.
      So the question to you is in keeping to reality that someone some group will fill the vacuum left if your efforts bear fruit and Jewish voices are silenced … What groups influence would you replace Jewish influence with? What’s your preference? Who would you like to see whispering into high Government officials ears? And don’t insult us by saying no one

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    • tzion
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:24pm

      Your proof? Burden of proof is on you tech. First prove the ENTIRE media is Jewish. Second prove that this is by design. Third prove that this design is part of a somehow unseen conspiracy that hasn’t been revealed despite the fact that Jews are leaving Judaism on a daily basis. Jews have been converting to Christianity for centuries and somehow none of them have ever exposed this “conspiracy”?

      Fact is tech, most conspiracies are run by a small group so as to avoid anything leaking out. Look at how Fast and Furious is going with the Justice dept. leaking information to investigators. Your conspiracy theory would have to include more people than 9/11 conspiracy theories and yet still not leak.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 6:58pm

      paperpushermj: Sure since I‘m Caucasian and given that America was founded by Caucasians I’d prefer that Caucasian’s be whispering into the ears of other Caucasians in DC… you know like it was the first 200-300 years of America’s history.. You know back when America was indeed the proverbial shining city on the hill… Back before the Jews came in with their Federal Reserve Bank and corrupted everyone and everything through their filthy money.

      Is that too much to ask for? lol I know the Jew demands that we worship at the alter of Multiculturalism Diversity and Pluralism today but I prefer to go back in time before Jewish domination of America if that’s alright with everyone.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:45pm

      Tech @ I see Jews Everywhere.
      ” but I prefer to go back in time before Jewish domination of America if that’s all right with everyone”
      _____________________
      I think you and the Mule that brought you into the 21 Century should take you back to where you belong say 1910 Alabama ….thats your time. Yup you would be a poor white sharecropper, feet never knowing the embracement of shoes. The only thing stopping you from taking a shotgun to your sweaty face, as bad as things get you can at least say your better then Blacks

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 1:21am

      paperpushermj: Well that’s a very interesting comment. Let me try to respond by stating something that is not so obvious to everyone but will be.. Many of Beck supporters are pounded with this day in and day out so I know they understand but I don’t think they understand why.

      First of all you mock 1910 life in rural America. Fair enough but I bet you sweet buns that you didn’t see the enormous amount of rape and murder back then as you do today in the land of the rich and wealthy? But I’m sure you ok with 15-20k homocides a year and 60-75 violent rapes as long as none of the perps were Arabs or Muslims… lol

      Furhtermore the south was an agrarian society. That’s not loss upon any one. Who knows what it would look like today had the Yanks not won the War of Northern Agression and Tyranny.. Who knows what it would look like if there was no Federal Reserve Bank today and that people had to live on what they earned like they do in about 90% of the rest of the world… I‘m sure we wouldn’t have large houses and 3 autos and all the luxerys that goes with today’s lifestyles; however, as your master GB warns you this is built upon a facade! And it’s about to collapse just like it did in Germany and your Jewish heroes know it! They’ve propped it up as long as humanly possible and now they have all of their “rodeo clowns’ in place to protect their good name.. lol

      But you love the Jewish printed fiat money don’t you paper? Life is grand… lol We’ll see how it

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  • KangarooJack
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:26pm

    Ahhh, HP. Need a question answered or problem resolved and you call tech support??? Welcome to Jamal in INDIA!!!!!!!!
    Let them pull their $$. Let them EMBRACE the Muslim Somali’s in Minnesota. Let them do as they please. Let them “PC” themselves into oblivion …Sharia anyone??

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:24pm

    It was not anti-Germanic to oppose the Nazis. It is not anti-Semitic to oppose the Zionists. Zionism is today’s Nazism.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:30pm

      Hardly.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:37pm

      Yes hardly: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

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    • tzion
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:58pm

      This isn’t about opposing Zionists. There opposing companies whose products have been used by Israel even if the company itself didn’t sell it to Israel. How does that get anything done? Do we boycott Mercedes because they sell to Israel? Or maybe Coca-cola?

      I also find it very ironic that you would cite that website which is a collection of mostly extreme Ultra-Orthodox Jews oppositions to Zionism. Quite simply, these Jews have zero issue with Jews living in Israel but for some reason are against Jews actually governing themselves in Israel prior to the Messiah. Many opposed the movement simply because they opposed anything secular Jews supported on principle.

      As for Zionists being Nazis, why don’t you start by demonstrating that Zionists as a rule believe they have the right to rule over and decide the fate of everybody else. The Nazis believed that as the “Aryan Race” they and they alone has the exclusive right to rule the world and purge it of all non-Aryans. Show me that such an idea exists as even mainstream ideology amongst any Zionist.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:15pm

      Yes, America loved the Germans…as they firebombed Dresden.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:00pm

      Gonzo: Don’t get confused over WW2.. Just remember it was International Jewry vs Germany.

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    • majasdad
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 3:48am

      For reliable info concerning the Israeli/Palestinian conflict/peace efforts:

      http://mondoweiss.net

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