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AP: Renewed Calls for Stricter Gun Laws Getting ‘Little Support’

AP: Calls for Stricter Gun Laws in Wake of Dark Knight Shooting in Colorado Getting Little Support

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(The Blaze/AP) — Gun control advocates sputter at their own impotence. The National Rifle Association is politically ascendant. And Barack Obama’s White House is reportedly vowing to safeguard the Second Amendment in its first official response to the deaths of at least 12 people in a mass shooting at a new Batman movie screening in suburban Denver.

Once, every highly publicized outbreak of gun violence produced strong calls from Democrats and a few Republicans for tougher controls on firearms.

Now those pleas are muted, a political paradox that’s grown more pronounced in an era scarred by Columbine, Virginia Tech, the wounding of a congresswoman and now the shooting in a suburban movie theater where carnage is expected on-screen only.

“We don’t want sympathy. We want action,” Dan Gross, president of the Brady campaign said Friday as President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney mourned the dead.

Ed Rendell, the former Democratic governor of Pennsylvania, was more emphatic than many in the early hours after the shooting. “Everyone is scared of the NRA,” he said on MSNBC. “Number one, there are some things worth losing for in politics and to be able to prevent carnage like this is worth losing for.”

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Yet it’s been more than a decade since gun control advocates had a realistic hope of getting the type of legislation they seek, despite predictions that each shocking outburst of violence would lead to action.

According to a Gallup poll in 1990, 78 percent of those surveyed said laws covering the sale of firearms should be stricter, while 19 percent said they should remain the same or be loosened.

By the fall of 2004 support for tougher laws had dropped to 54 percent. In last year’s sounding, 43 percent said they should be stricter, and 55 percent said they should stay the same or be made more lenient.

In terms of electoral politics, Harry Wilson, a Roanoke College professor and author of a book on gun politics, said violent crime has been declining in recent years and, “It becomes increasingly difficult to make the argument that we need stricter gun control laws.”

Additionally, he said in some regions, gun control “can be a winning issue for Democrats. But nationally, it’s a loser … and they have figured that out.“ Attempts to emphasize the issue will ”really motivate the opposition. And in a political campaign, nobody wants to do that,” he said.

But more than that, Americans have seemingly seen that gun control laws aren’t always effective.

Purdue student and Young America’s Foundation Intern Scholar Hillary Cherry asks: “How will stricter gun laws bring an end to criminals having guns, when the laws against murder have not been able to stop them from killing innocent people?”

The CNS News article continues:

Currently in Aurora, Colorado, where the shooting took place, it is already unlawful to carry a concealed “dangerous weapon,” discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range, and have loaded firearm in motor vehicle.

Yet these laws were unable to stop James Holmes.

Crime rates alone of cities such as Chicago and Washington D.C. prove that gun bans only increase crime. The D.C. police response rate is eight minutes; most crimes are done in less than one. Gun bans create a trouble-free world for criminals considering no one can defend themselves. If I were ever to face a situation like this, I would want to be prepared.

I cannot help but think, if one person in that audience was carrying a gun with them, that person could have saved lives. Unfortunately – despite what some of the Left have said – this tragedy is an example of the importance of our Second Amendment Rights.

In the wake of the Colorado shooting, both Republicans and Democrats have already begun using the tragedy to advance their respective ideologies.  In this case, it seems like the “gun control” crowd isn’t making much progress.

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AP Deputy Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta and AP writer Jack Gillum contributed to this report.

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  • Skrewedretiree
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:41pm

    So, a deranged nut goes into a bar, a theater or a restraunt and opens fire killing innocent, unarmed people. What do you do to protect yourself in this instance?

    A. Support Patty Murray, Chuck Schumer, Sarah Brady and the Democrat party and pass gun laws denying you the right to protect yourself. The Police are always right there and ready to protect you.

    B. Take a neutral stand and decide that these are isolated instances not worth getting upset about and doing nothing. After all, you have as much chance of this happening to you as getting killed on the nations highways or getting hit by lightning. Besides: You have a cell phone and can call for help. They will be sure to send help as soon as possible.

    C. Get a gun and learn to use it responsibly, get a concealed carry permit (if your State allows it; if not lobby the State for your Rights!) and be ready to protect your life and the lives of others. Be ready to meet a threat as it happens, knowing most assailants assume you will be unarmed, and be dedicated to ending the threat before it ends you.

    Well, let me see…….I think I will go with C, thank you very much.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:53pm

      I think they just expect you to go crying to people like Brian Ross.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:30pm

      As an American you are 40 times more likely to be murdered with a gun by another American than someone in Canada or Great Britain is by a citizen of those countries, and 100 times more likely than a Japanese citizen to be killed by another Japanese person.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

      I can only draw one conclusion from from that. Americans are genetically prone to violence, and are 40 times, 100 times more violent than people in other countries. It’s a genetic condition. Americans have a unique gene or whatever that makes us more likely than in any other industrialized Democracy to turn against each other and kill our own with guns.

      It’s not because we have more guns outside of war zones, it’s simply because Americans are genetically inferior to other modern countries in terms of our inclination towards violence and murder. We can’t help it. We kill our own. Simple as that. If other countries think they are so smart and superior because their citizens don’t kill each other, we‘ll f ’em.

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    • wisehiney
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:39pm

      jzs, The Great General Patton said he hoped all of the cowards would die during the war. That way, if only brave men went home, we would have a brave country. He was referring to you.

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    • HisNameWasRobertPaulson
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:40pm

      JZS, are you a genetic scientist? No? Please tell us why you are only able to draw one conclusion when you have no expertise in that area? Did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:52pm

      @jzs
      “As an American you are 40 times more likely to be murdered with a gun by another American than someone in Canada or Great Britain…”

      Well of course JZS, we (not you) live in America and not Canada or Great Britain. It’s kind of hard for an American to be killed by a gun from Canada or Great Britain while we live in the USA. You do have some experience with ballistics and the range of current bullets, right? If I’m in Texas and I want to shoot someone in Canada… well, you can do the Math…. Maybe?

      How does a person in Texas shoot someone living in Canada? Your hypothesis is not sound judgement and stinks of a Third World Education.

      Would you like me to do a Forensic Profile on you? I guaranty it won’t be difficult. It will be easier than shooting a Grizzly in Canada from the Everglades in South Florida with a .22 cal.

      Care to respond?

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    • edpa777
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:58pm

      Yep, after every shooting spree they want to take guns away from the people who didn’t do it.

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    • Pontiac
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:59pm

      >people still replying to jzs
      Stop reading his drivel and replying to it. Problem solved.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:52am

      Hey MONK, You’ve just made a valid point come to think of it. Even if in jest. JZS does often speak as though he is an outsider looking in. While at times it does seem that he has visited here maybe even for lengthy periods of time. Then again, he is totally lost and does not seem to understand how businesses work in this country. How they pay higher taxes, especially for roads and bridges where they have commercial or industrial use, or how they pay 100% of the repaving of a road adjacent to their business property. Tier rates of utilities are foreign to him as well. Monk, your point really makes me wonder.

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    • Reclaiming Our Nation
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:09am

      I will go with C as well.

      Here is a link to an article and a video of a man that chose option C and saved the day. 2 armed thugs ran off by a 71 year old man. Link: http://www.reclaimingournation.com

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:14am

      Gee..gun violence..let me see..if we take away law abiding citizens guns..then only criminals will have guns..I have briefly researched the stats, and I find that they are dramatically false. Mexican Hezbollah drug cartels being armed by the administration and all..Yuri Beznov, “Demoralizing a Nation.Communism”.
      .Children are raised on video games promoting violence and movies sporting violence along with pornography.fornication.adultery.homosexuality and drugs..so there’s no way we are going to be raising immoral criminals..no way..The Zionists are in charge of the movie industry..go figure..We send our young men off to wars where they do what? Learn to kill.. They don’t discuss the homocide rate in the war zones..Another thing to take into account is our population.over 300 million here with all the new muslims being shipped in as I understand at 11 thousand a month and tens of thousands by executive order..THey think the population of the world is way too much at 7 billion..Henry Kissinger himself said that once the NWO is established..that a lot of people would die..but that the ones who survived would fare better. So gee..maybe everyone should just give up those pesky arms so that they can eradicate the groups that they want to get rid of..Jame Holmes took extra precaution.. being it was a gun free zone and all ..

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:16am

      I’m not sure JZS is male…have we alreay established that???…Edpa777… hit it right on the head…some want to take away the guns of law abiding citizens…what… so only whackos and criminals can have them…no thanks.

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    • burnteye86
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:25am

      I can really appreciate JZS. He shows the world the bias of the left. He makes the most ridiculous and asinine statements I’ve ever heard. It really goes to show everyone who reads them just how irrational the left is and exposes their true agenda, to bring down America.

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    • DonaldH
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:35am

      JZS– what a boob you are,,, or think we are!! Of course the odds of one being murdered in the U.S. by another American with a gun is greater than inthe countries you listed– Now, the odds in the same countries you cited are naturally higher for being killed with a knife because,,,,, they don’t have GUNS as we do here in the U.S. so therefore a KNIFE will be the weapon of choice through mere availability,, or lack of availbility of guns– In short and sticking with your word game: One in England is 1000 times more likely to be killed with 15th century sword than in the U.S. because the there arent as many swords from the 15th century in the U.S. as there is in England— Now, on a different angle,, let’s remove just the Black on Black murder rate in America involving a gun and see how we stack up against Europe… And BTW– Al Sharpton would call youa racist if you put your arguement to him

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    • subic
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:39am

      Only reason the dems want to restrict our weapons is so they can force their unconstitutional laws & their tyranny down our throat.

      Ten times worse than the way they forced obamatax care upon us.

      There is a new book out by Aaron Klien, FOOL ME TWICE http://patriotdepot.com/fool-me-twice-obamas-shocking-plans-for-the-next-four-years-exposed/ he exposes obamas plan for america if he gets another term, the following is a summary…

      This book is filled with stunning revelations, including second-term plans for a “New Deal”-style overhaul of the economy replete with the creation of a National Infrastructure Development Bank to oversee government control of the financial system; a massive, government-run jobs program to coincide with “paycheck fairness”; full amnesty for illegal aliens; de-funding of the U.S. military while channeling Pentagon money to “clean” energy initiatives; a new, multi-billion dollar “green” stimulus; and implementing Obamacare in measures nearly impossible to reverse. And that is just the start

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    • DonaldH
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:55am

      OH JZS,, here’s another one “against all your odds argument” One is 10,000 times more likely to be shot to death by their OWN government in a communist country than in the U.S. because the people don’t have the 2nd amendment in their country– history proves me right…

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:06am

      JZS so why don’t you there?

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    • HKS
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:32am

      JZS, The problem in this country is the government schools, their breading grounds for this kind of behavior. One of the last things we can still cal “Made in America” http://www.seraphicpress.com/western-education-breeding-ground-for-mass-murderers/

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    • Individualism
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:45am

      people that want gun control and confiscation want to put your in the gulags or concentration camps, that is history for ya.

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    • yiddishlion
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:30am

      JZS More people are killed every year WORLDWIDE in automobile accidents than by all firearms crimes combined…….should we ban all automobiles too?

      Crazy and evil people are going to do crazy and evil things with or without guns. They have done so since before the gun was invented. Gun control only keeps firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizen’s hands.

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    • ima citizen
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:20am

      Me thinks you should follow the directives give to our well trained Border Patrol. ‘When you see someone with a gun’ turn around and run away. This is how we are going to solve our border problems.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:37am

      Gun laws do nothing but disarm the good.

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    • Carborendum
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:20pm

      What‘s really ironic about JZS’ comment is that he sarcastically come up with a ridiculous conclusion (that Americans are more genetically disposed towards violence) while espousing an equally ridiculous conclusion that guns are used in murders, and therefore, if we get rid of the guns, we will get rid of the murders. Oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

      Besides, the numbers don’t gibe. They claim that the US has somewhere around 15 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people. Yet the US only has about 5 homicides per 100,000 people per year. So, if you’re killed by a gun, it isn’t a homicide? How does that work?

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:20pm

      THE OR A MONK asks, “How does a person in Texas shoot someone living in Canada? Your hypothesis is not sound judgement and stinks of a Third World Education.”

      MONK, that’s a sound objection, based on the laws of physics, to my statement that, “As an American you are 40 times more likely to be murdered with a gun by another American than someone in Canada or Great Britain is by a citizen of those countries…”

      Oh wait, it appears your reading comprehension ain’t too good. If it was a joke though, I always appreciate a good sense of humor!

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:04pm

      In this instance he could have just as easily loaded a truck with gasoline and drove into the crowd waiting to get into the theater. The gun was the tool, not the motivation.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:06pm

      Option “C” it is.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:29pm

      JZS
      “If other countries think they are so smart and superior because their citizens don’t kill each other, we‘ll f ’em.”

      That’s the spirit, twink.

      In fact you might as well feel that way, because your gun control advocacy isn’t going to be effective.

      We’re just a couple of years away from large scale fighting.

      What are you going to advocate when the armories and police stations are stripped of all arms and ammo?

      When that happens, what will you do if people find out who you are?

      Better not answer that knock on the door.

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    • antiprogressive
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:43pm

      monk. Per your top statement, I don’t care WHO you are, that’s funny. Good one.

      JZS – those are some pointless stats to be quoting here. TRUE, but useless. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that if we HAVE more guns, more people will DIE by guns.
      Kindergarten stats.

      The other obvious fact you FORGOT is that in Communist countries, or countries that have had their guns seized, you are many times more likely to be killed, abused, falsely imprisoned and even tortured by members of YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT and it’s military than here in the USA. Guns were put in the Constitution to keep us free from GOVERNMENT abuses. Home defense if just a wonderful side bonus. As mentioned by Donaldh.

      Around WWII days, Russia said it would NEVER try invading America because it would be too difficult to walk down ANY street if every citizen were personally armed. I LIKE that.

      Carborendum – The remaining deaths by guns weren’t murders, the were justified KILLIN’S
      or accidents.

      To be fair to the FEDS, I WILL CONSIDER new gun control laws – if they FIRST start EXECUTING those who MURDER by gun.
      You should KILL this nut immediately, but we all know he will live off taxpayers money for the next 30 years.

      And I have no problem with EXECUTING ANYONE who commits ANY TYPE of crime with a gun.
      ANYONE!!! Including a mugging for 5$.

      TRUE temporary insanity needs looked at separately but

      Self defense is NOT A CRIME.

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:28pm

      Racist much?

      Trollololol….

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    • TheBurningTruth
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:00pm

      Hey JZS: Noting that Norway is marking the first anniversary of their massacre last year, run the numbers and note that someone from Norway is 407 times more likely to be murdered by guns than an American is. Simple comparison: 4.95 million Norweigans and 77 dead vs. 319 million Americans and 12 dead.

      See, I can toss out real numbers too, but they tell a far different story. You just want to push an agenda.

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    • TulsaYeeHaw
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:02pm

      @jzs

      Yeah, because their isn’t an epidemic of stabbing murders in England is their?

      TELL THE TRUTH

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    • Bum thrower
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:28pm

      When seconds count ,the cops are only minutes away…………..Question to CHL holder: Why do you carry a .45? Answer; it’s lighter than a cop!!!….Okay, I’ll repeat the question; ‘Why do you carry a .45? Answer, becasue they don’t make a .46…..

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    • Alaskan Fox
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:01pm

      I just went to a website for news from Japan. A country with very strict gun control. In the crime section (yeah they had one) I immediately found 9 stories of violence and murder. A strangling, several stabbings, and a parcel bombing. Humans have killed humans since before the gun was created. The gun evens things out. A 14 year old can defend himself and his three youngers siblings from an adult breaking into his house. An elderly Korean vet can defend himself against an intruder breaking in his door. The gun gives those who didn’t have a chance in the past form becoming victims. We should let more people have guns and make sure they learn how to use them properly. Taking them away, so only criminals have them and innocents just become more victims obviously doesn’t help

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:31pm

      Maybe the real reason why Canada’s murder rate (from guns) is so low is because of this stat…80% of the populace is armed. It’s an even higher percentage of the population than the USA…although to be fair Canada’s pop is 10 x smaller than the US with vast tracts of land that are unihabitable, unreachable (in many instances) and in a climate that would test the toughest back woodsmen.

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    • Hoax And Chains
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:17pm

      @JZS
      The problem is you are one of those pseudo-intellectuals that can only pull “data” from the biased wikipedia site.
      How convenient of you to forget the one-year anniversary of Anders Behring Breivik killing 77 people in, not America, but Norway.
      77 dead… one shooting… Yep…you socialist countries… no violence there…
      Keep up your pseudo-intellectual BS though. You’re really impressing yourself.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:52pm

      TheBurningTruth, I‘m afraid your Truth isn’t burning too brightly. The statistics from wiki are percentages (deaths per 100,000 as I recall). So that means just what I said: the average citizen, based on percentages, is 40 times more likely to die by gunfire there as here.

      You state that only twelve people die by gunfire in the US each year. BurningTruth, uh, try 30,000 dead in the US per year, not 12. You have to understand that these statistics are about the number of dead by guns divided by the population over a given period of time, generally a year.

      Yeah, you can toss out real numbers. What you don’t seem able to do is interpret those numbers. You sound like you have an education, at least through high school. But your math isn’t that great.

      Antiprogressive says, “Around WWII days, Russia said it would NEVER try invading America because it would be too difficult to walk down ANY street if every citizen were personally armed. I LIKE that.”

      Antiprogressive, who said that? Russia? Actually it was the Soviet Union in “WWII days.” But assuming you know the difference, who in Russia said that? Care to give me a quote?

      Actually the Soviet Union knew they couldn’t defeat us, something Patton knew when he wanted us to go after them following the war. Otherwise, they didn’t come after us because of all the bombs we had, as the Cuban Missle Crisis showed.

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    • Servant Of YHVH
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 4:43am

      @meyvn
      “think they just expect you to go crying to people like Brian Ross.”

      “Using the same standards ABC’s Brian Ross uses for reporting – which is apparently the super quality ‘Google & Guess’ method”
      Charge one: Chris Davis was brutally killed and murdered he was found facedown in his pool. Brian Ross has been arrested for the killing of Chris Davis
      Charge Two: Brian Ross sent explicit photos and text messages to two teenage girls:
      Based on Brian Ross’ own method of convicting people (without facts or truth), if he was charged the same way, he would have to answer to these two charges even though he wasn’t the same Brian Ross in either one.

      Come to think of it mevyn, you are probably correct, they probably do want us to go crying to Brian Ross.

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    • lel2007
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 8:19am

      An unarmed citizenry is much easier to rule and control. I’d rather the government fear the people than have the people fear their government.

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    • AA Plus Rating
      Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:50pm

      Out here in Colorado we remember that in April of this year, just 3 months before the movie massacare, an armed citizen carrying a concealed weapon, stopped what could have been a “mass shooting” . That’s right folks, right there in Aurora. Here is the link, pay special attention to the 4th paragraph, but read the entire article.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/suspect-in-colo-church-sh_n_1450313.html

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    • SpeckChaser
      Posted on July 24, 2012 at 6:24pm

      JZS

      How will limiting law abiding citizen’s access to firearms cause a decrease in crime amongst criminals?

      Why are murders with firearms high in Chicago despite the heavy handed restrictions against them?

      Would all crime across the board go up or down if every household had firearm training and at least one firearm?

      Would tyranny be more achievable with an armed or unarmed public?

      Would you rather visit the home of a law abiding citizen with 100 firearms or the home of repeat abuser with a hammer?

      Would you rather be armed or unarmed if criminals invaded your home?

      You should start beating the “keep criminals behind bars drum” if you are concerned about gun violence and other crime. It is a logical argument…unlike your current one.

      How many questions can you answer?

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  • borderbratz
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:33pm

    I just moved to very southern AZ from very Southern CA. AZ apparently allows all it’s citizens to conceal carry without a permit and only very few privately owned places ban guns. I have to say, everyone I meet is very polite! I would be interested to see the crime statistics from before this was enacted and also the stats from afterwards.

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    • Halloween
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:37am

      To be more accurate, Arizona allows both concealed AND open carry with out a permit. Too many states are overlooking the right of open carry. Open carry is very important to being able to concealed carry. Just as a skunk has a white stripe to warn against messing with it, open carry will tell criminals to pick another victim.

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    • DonaldH
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:38am

      I much prefer to open carry than to conceal carry—when I open carry there tends to be less rudeness and strife in the areas I occupy, like convenient stores, check out lines at grocery stores, etc… I’m sure most of the civility I experience is attributed to many believing I might be a cop. Nevertheless, another added benefit of open carry over concealed is my weapon is on my hip where everyone can see it—an aggressor that “comes at me” knows full well that I am armed with a deadly instrument and therefore I must assume he is capable and motivated to use deadly force upon me. All I can say is good luck with that. I’d much rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6—

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:42pm

      Amen to that Donald.

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  • shy
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:31pm

    I do support stricter gun laws FOR any one who voted for obama, for any one who sympathises with a liberal, socialist, communist or left wing democrat.

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    • lwillis59
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:42pm

      this was posted earlier and I thought it was worth re-posting

      Paul Harvey’
      In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:58pm

      The video I posted on this thread covers your angle also… Which I assume is sarcasm.

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  • Thewayiseeit
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:30pm

    People like James (Joker) who killed 12 people, are criminals, NOT law abiding Citizens!
    Colorado is already a strict gun laws state, did it stop him? No, it stopped nothing but people who could have protected themselves & others. Shame on you Colorado, you’re an insult to our Constitution!

    Justify making a law abiding citizen who already has the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWN & CARRY into a meat target by infringing upon those rights when you can’t stop the criminal from committing crimes!

    Sounds more like the Government is getting scared of the repercussions of their self serving actions & their push for a non-American Politics regardless of how the Citizens feel about it!
    Sounds like a Socialist, Fascist Government to me!

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  • BlackCrow
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:25pm

    When Algore lost to George Bush in his home state of Tennessee the Communist Party went out to find out why. The answer cam back it was because of Algore’s support of gun control. Notice it has been a loosing isue for the left ever since? Notice you don’t hear Chuck U Shulmer standing in front of the microphone calling for gun control a least twice week like he did when Clinton was in office?

    Gun Control is a looser and they know it. Not to say they wouldn’t collect every gun in the country if they thought for a minute they would get away with it but they know there would be an armed rebellion if they even came close to suggesting it.

    Every other sector of the economy is in the toilet but the arms industry. Think that is lost on them? They may be many things but the left is not stupid.

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:45pm

    Here’s a good sight for videos on these issues http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/04/gun-control-explained.html I post this on facebook once a month wether I need to or not

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  • Vegasdad702
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:44pm

    Hey guys I wouldn’t get comfortable about gun laws just yet. Next week is the UN vote on the “Small arms act”! This is SERIOUS!! Also came across this story im going to ad. Very interesting theory.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:37pm

      THIS… Is what happens when “armed self defense” is outlawed. We seen it time and time again. Know history!! What makes YOU think we wont see it again?

      http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5D929F4D85DA1BF1A476BE8901E30F2C

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:44pm

      Write your federal legislators: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:12pm

      It could well be a false flag event. Timed well for sure if it is.

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    • Quasimofo
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:23am

      “Next week is the UN vote on the “Small arms act”

      Which is why I find this shooting so suspicious.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:45am

      @Quasimofo: Most certainly suspicious and after thinking about it for a day, my suspicion of something begger, is the only reason I can no longer advise putting him down quickly. Which was my opinion less than 24 hours after the event. I have since changed my mind. We need a really thorough investigation into this.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:49am

      *bigger

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    • Vegasdad702
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:07am

      Yeah really spooky stuff man! I don’t like it one bit! Something just doesn’t feel right!

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:59pm

      This just a hypothosis I am about to put forth that has bothered me from the first few minutes I learned of this horrific tragedy. What struck me a few hours after the news had sunk in was simply this (knowing that IS Arms treaty is near at hand) it occurred to me that a DOJ and WH that has thrown up every road block possible into the Fast and Furious debacle (which , because of the weapons allowed to walk in this failed program took the lives of 3 Americans and countless hundreds of Mexican nationals) the US exec branch and it’s various Dept heads ( appointed by this Admin) seem to have little or no remorse for the lives of ordinary working class folks (agents of the law included) so is it a really a stretch to seek a connection with the latest rampage that dovetails nicely with the predictable calls from the left (to ban what they can get away with) and possibly get enough votes to squeak out a ratification of the UN small arms treaty ? I realize ordinary rank and file liberals should be outraged by the suggestion of a possible link but at the same time the left has proven time and again that they are willing to use any tactic if it means they achieve thier ends. We all know ,(those of us that are students of history, that the most murderous regimes in the past 120 years have had one ideology in common, Marxist/Communist/Socialist totalitarian dictatorships.

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    • Servant Of YHVH
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 4:50am

      @vegasdad
      It doesn’t matter what the commies in the UN OR the White House try to do. These UN punks, if they EVER try to take our guns away from us will wind up slithering out of OUR country as fast as they can because they WILL find out that unlike others, we WILL defend our rights and anyone in this country will find out that once we start, we will drive EVERY traitor to our Constitution permanently out of OUR America!!!

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    • Vegasdad702
      Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:34am

      @Servant have you considered that thats exactly what THEY might want? If it ever came down to it THEY would crush the citizens with tanks, and jets, and rockets. Be that as it may, I am not so paranoid about this as I was a few days ago. Certainly we should ask ALL questions, but im leaning more toward this guy was just a nut. However, if he was put up to doing this my guess was he was dosed with something like Scopolamine. Look that drug up. It will shock and scare the $#!% out of you. Being as he was a Neuro guy its interesting to question. If he claims to not remember anything that happened, I would be even more suspect. Oh, and just so were clear, I ABSOLUTELY support the second amendment. I wish EVERY law abiding citizen was packin CC. I would feel safer for our loved ones. Thank you.

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:35pm

    Molon labe!

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:48am

      Ditto.

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    • DonaldH
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:15pm

      Oh please,, please. I almost wish they would try. Better sooner than later is the way I look at it.. I’m still young enough right now to put all that fine training Uncle Sam gave me to use…

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:34pm

    in this day and age when people can walk into a theatre and kill 12 people and wound 60 others instead of taking guns from law abiding citizens the goverment should be issuing weapons…oh my gosh they already do….snap! they only issue to drug cartels though….we live in a country with a crooked goverment and a progressive ideology that is insane…….and now they want to take our guns…i dont think so..

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    • Patriot Rider
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:41pm

      You got that right. Thank you. Nice to actually read something on here that makes sense!!!

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  • DoomsdayProphet
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:32pm

    Laws only punish after the act. Armed citizens stop the act.

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  • johncinque
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:30pm

    “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — (Thomas Jefferson)
    CASE CLOSED

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    • RebelPatriot
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:38pm

      It’s that simple, folks. When government wants to take you guns they want to take all your freedoms.
      If we can not defend ourselves against tyranny from within then we will perish as a Republic.

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  • title_of_liberty
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:25pm

    I truly hope that some good might come out of this unspeakable tragedy. I pray that the victims and their families will heal from this. I hope that those that died will not have died in vain.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:24pm

    Look for Obama to try and use this massacre for his own ends; particularily since the UN Small Arms treaty signing by Sec State Clinton is almost at hand. They will push this and the UN Control over our second amendment as fast and hard as they can, and probably go around Congress again if they do not ratify the treaty.

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  • paul1149
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:22pm

    The Dems have only gone under radar. Given the opportunity, they will grab for guns in an instant.

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  • Derek01
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:20pm

    I think we need“ The slap a liberal upside the head law”. I know, probably a waste of energy but we need to stop this liberal mindset of #1 stupidity, #2 failure and #3 repeat #1 and #2 over and over.

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  • TJexcite
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:19pm

    He already broke at least 5 gun laws just driving to the theater. How many more new laws could they add on so, the next time everyone of those new gun laws are broken just as easily.

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    • Pink_Panther_Party
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:12am

      I’m a licensed pilot and a gun owner and have never had the slightest inclination to use either machine to insanely kill innocent people.

      But taking away guns to stop insane killers would be no more effective in the prevention of senseless killing than banning boxcutters would have been in avoiding the murder of THREE THOUSAND Americans on 9/11/01.

      If you want to fix the problem of insane killers, bring GOD back into our American culture and GET RID of the so-called “liberal” godless/communist/atheist/homosexual/perverted sick-to-the-rotten-core LEFT!

      The problem is NOT THE MACHINES. The problem is the FREAKING IDIOTS who use them to take innocent lives and the GODLESS CULTURE that stews these creeps into mindless robots who can take life with no remorse. (and yes, ISLAM is a “religion” of demon worship and death, just like atheism is a “religion” of godless unaccountability)

      “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

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  • Do The Right Thing
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:18pm

    In my book, this tragedy is reason for less gun control, not more. Had there been a few people in that theatre with weaponry, and the perp knew it was a possibility, it probably would have never happened.

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    • djmaine
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:33pm

      I agree. If someone had a gun they could have taken him out and ended the whole tragedy. Too few people have guns.

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    • Yankee
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:08am

      When I hear about events like these I think back to the 2005 Tacoma Mall shooting in Tacoma, WA, where a legally armed civilian pulled his weapon on the 20 year-old Meth addled assailant. Instead of shooting the assailant he commanded him to drop his weapon — and got badly wounded for this bit of compassion. But it changed the dynamic, the assailant stopped shooting, and after a tense stand off, surrendered. You don’t hear much about this because in the end no one died, and a civilian with a carry permit was in a large part responsible for that.

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    • pkoning
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:11pm

      Exactly right.

      It’s time for every friend of liberty to act. If any business does not trust you to bear arms on their premises, they do not deserve your business. Boycott every business that advocates victim disarmament. Every last one of them. Drive them out of business.

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  • historyguy48
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:17pm

    Comrades, does this mean you distrustDear Leader and his government full of Communists? Shame on you for not being stupid and giving up your guns!
    At this point if you don’t distrust this overblown, out of control, government of ours you might want to go see what kind of mental problems you are facing! Perhaps a good shrink can help you, provided of course, he isn’t a “Progressive” (Communist).
    Maybe I’m wrong, perhaps Americans aren’t sheep after all. Then again talk is cheap!

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  • MeteoricLimbo
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:09pm

    Ask the Chinese about gun control….

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:08pm

    Bad laws are made on fresh graves.

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  • hauschild
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:03pm

    Here’s one that fires up the lunatic fringe:

    “I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!”

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    • reality based lifeform
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:25pm

      If you do the math it appears that the real “Lunatic Fringe ” consists of the people promoting a ban on private gun ownership!

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  • tothepoint
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:03pm

    Despots and their ilk understand that an armed society is one they cannot so easily murder, or take over private property.
    The countries and ruthless leaders who established gun control, such as the Soviet Union, Turkey, China and others, took the guns and then exterminated millions of people.
    Do the research. Learn from history.
    According to historians, about 56 million victims lost their lives because of countries imposing gun control.
    America – Find out which of our leaders want to take our guns and vote them out.
    The only reason they want to take the guns is to harm their own citizens.

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  • MONICNE
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:53pm

    If everyone in that theatre had been legally armed, this story never would have happened.

    Tea

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:20am

      But how many would remember the combination to their trigger locks ?

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  • DonaldH
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:47pm

    The one thing to remember about guns vs “gun control” are that guns man made– and with the right computer software and the right plasma cutter– I can produce any gun you want right in my garage– ANY gun

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  • Patriot Z
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 8:47pm

    COLO is a shall issue state, but the gun grabbers purposley omit the fact that the theater was a rabid ‘GUN FREE ZONE”. which is why nobody had a weapon. Colo is a tragedy, but there are tens of millions of gun owners out there who have never commited any crime. But lets not forget that to the liberal the 2nd amendment is what protects the 1st and without it they would be free to do as they pleased. not to mention the “zero tolerance” rules that libs love so much is nothing more than a blanket lazy approach to solving problems. Progressive need to understand you will NEVER get our guns without a bloody fight. If we gun clingers were as rabid as you idiots make us out to be then OWS would have been blown away a few days after it started.

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