AP Claims Some Facts ‘Took a Bit of a Beating’ in Last Night’s GOP Debate
- Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:08am by
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Editor’s Note: The following “fact check” was composed by the Associated Press (not the Blaze). Below, find the inconsistencies the AP claims to have found during last night’s GOP debate:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan ignited plenty of sparks in the Republican presidential debate Tuesday night and President Barack Obama’s health care law came in for its usual thumping. In both cases, the facts took a bit of a beating as well.
A look at the accuracy of some of the claims in the Las Vegas debate:
MICHELE BACHMANN: “Even the Obama administration chose to reject part of Obamacare. … Now the administration is arguing with itself.”
THE FACTS: True, the administration is moving to scrap a long-term insurance program that was part of Obama’s health care law. But it would be wrong to take that as a sign the administration is losing faith in the overhaul. Quite the contrary.
Unlike the central provisions of the health care law, the long-term insurance plan, called CLASS, was voluntary. From an accounting viewpoint, that was its fatal weakness.
Without some reason for large numbers of healthy people to sign up, experts warned all along that CLASS would attract too many people in frail health. Rising benefit costs would send premiums spiraling upward. Healthier people would drop out, and eventually taxpayers would have to bail CLASS out.
Obama’s health insurance mandate, requiring nearly everyone to have insurance, protects his overhaul from a similar fate.
“You have to have a broad risk pool,” said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group that advocates cutting the federal deficit. “By mandating coverage, (the health care law) creates a broad risk pool and that makes the system much more sustainable.”
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HERMAN CAIN: “It does not raise taxes on those that are making the least.”
THE FACTS: An independent analysis of his tax plan, released Tuesday, concluded otherwise. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank, said Cain’s plan would increase taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, hitting low- and medium-income households the hardest. The analysis said that households making $10,000 to $20,000 would see whopping tax increases averaging $2,705 – an increase of nearly 950 percent.
The rich, however, would get big tax cuts, the analysis said.
Cain’s plan would scrap current taxes on income, payroll, capital gains and corporate profits. He would replace them with a 9 percent tax on income, a 9 percent business tax and a 9 percent national sales tax.
The study is in line with economic theorists – whether on the left or right – who note that sales taxes tend to hit low-income families the hardest because they spend more of their income than wealthier families do.
Unlike most states, Cain’s plan would not exempt food or medicine from sales taxes. Used items, however, would be exempt.
Cain said his plan would create zones where people and businesses could get additional tax deductions, which would reduce taxes for low-income people. The Tax Policy Center said it did not take the zones into account because the Cain campaign did not provide any details on how they would work.
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Comments (239)
DanWesson455
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:30amI for one still don’t see the EVIL in having everyone jump into the pool concerning taxes. If everyone has a horse in the race maybe there wouldn’t be so many Wall St. Protestors around. If the 53% can feel the pain in paying taxes, I say it is high time the other 47% felt some pain also.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:44amThere should be no income tax. That is socialist/progressive/communist(1913). Everything I work for is mine. Nothing belongs to “the state”.
Tax services and purchases.
Cut the congress pay to the median income.
Congress pay should be made the LAST item in budget.
This creates incentive. The congress will want more money so they need to increase the median income (through a good market). If they get paid last, they will balance the budget. If they don’t balance, they don’t get paid.
If all revenue is based on consumer spending, then you will need a good economy. The first jobs to get cut or “laid off” in bad economies will be government “jobs”. Government “jobs” do not generate revenue, they deplete revenues since the salaries for gov “jobs” is tax payer money.
Repeal 1913. No more income tax, no more federal reserve.
There should also be no property tax or estate tax.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:47amWho is RAND endorsing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syHI6HcfCnE
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:56amRon Paul’s new ad demonstrates perfectly how and why Obama will mop the floor with Romney, Perry and Cain since they are just like Obama in the sense of big government. (bailouts) Awesome ad! Notice Glenn Beck is featured as well……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J2ATkTYOHU
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:31amI agree that there should not be any Incometax (only consumption), but right now, thanks to the Neocons and Progressives, consumption tax alone won’t fix our woes. Cain’s the only one with a sensible/plausible solution to our woes. Romneys 59 point plan is rediculous to say the least. I would concede some help for the poor where it makes sense, but still, the only way our nation is going to get strong is that all of us have a take in it’s healing. I hate paying overwhelming taxes too (and have in a past life; not so much now) but the only other way to rid us our woes is to forfeit our debt and that is just not right. Pay our bills off, then eliminate the income tax, then eventually even eliminate most of the consumption taxes since we need to go back to what we had prior to 1917 (most of the Federal money came from tariffs and other user fees; can be the same once our bills are paid imo). :)
Report Post »GodWillPrevail
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:38amSad.
That you have no compassion for the truly poor many of which are so through no fault of their own. Disabled or too old to work.
This plan must be fixed to exempt the poor from these huge tax increases. Many die even now because they can not afford medicine and food both of which would increase in price by 9%. And then another $2,700 in taxes. This plan will really hurt. It is the plan that will verify the now lies of the left. Raise taxes on the poor to give the rich a tax cut.
Report Post »mad_hatter
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:51amPalin has come out to say that Newt won. ( http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/palin_newt_won.html ) If you want to talk about brilliants and being the adult he won. He was definately hurt when he accepted that he backed the individual mandate, or it helped people understand that Romney isn’t a liberal and this was not liberalism, this was a conservative program at a state level.
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:00pmRepublican mantra: “I worked for it. I deserve to keep a majority of it and not have my taxes squandered.”
Democratic mantra: “What‘s mine is mine and what’s your’s is half mine.”
Report Post »Justathinkin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:04pm@God Will Prevail
He has said several times that those in the lowest tier will have exemptions. He has said it somewhere around 8,000 times at this point, I think I have heard it at least 40 times in the last 2 debates alone. The article even says that he has stated this and that they left it out because they didn’t like the way it was worded. Remember, this is the AP, these are the same people that outright lied about Obama’s ties to homegrown terrorists and political radicals all through the election in 2008. Their “fact checking” is about as accurate as my 4 year old‘s blue prints of our truck’s engine. I am pretty sure that Cain cares about the poor considering he is really good friends with Neal Boortz and they fund raise and donate together quite often.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:12pmDo away with the corporate income tax.
In exchange establish by constitutional amendment that corporations, unions, etc., are not “persons” and do not have the right of unlimited anonymous contributions to political causes and campaigns in the name of free speech.
Tax ALL individual income at a flatter if not absolutely flat rate, with a generous personal exemption.
Report Post »Biscuit Feed Bubba
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:14pmhttp://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Laffer-Cain-tax-plan/2011/10/19/id/414998?s=al&promo_code=D49D-1
Economist and former Reagan adviser Arthur Laffer says Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan is a good one.
“(The) plan was designed to be what economists call ‘static revenue neutral,’ which means that if people didn’t change what they do under his plan, total tax revenues would be the same as they are under our current tax code,” Laffer writes in The Wall Street Journal, adding that he believes that with the boost Cain’s plan would give to economic growth it would bring in even more revenue than expected.
“Once the dynamics take hold, many of those below the poverty line will find good jobs and thus will rise above the poverty line and start paying taxes,” says Laffer.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:24pmWhy is it that raising the taxes the rich pay to where they were before the Bush tax cuts is “class warfare” but raising taxes on the middle class and poor is not class warfare, but a sensible economic plan? So people here seriously want to pay more taxes themselves in order to compensate for cutting the taxes of the wealthy? Am I hearing that correctly?
And nobody has a problem taxing food and medicine?
Report Post »floridaswampthing
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:29pmI agree. Everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes. Why do I as a middle class person have to continue paying taxes while others don’t? Everyone pays the same tax, isn’t that what the big hoopla is all about?
Report Post »don4logo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:40pmThat’s brilliant, DTOM_JERICHO (CREATOR VINDICATOR).
Then we can live in a happy place with no defense, no roads, no judicial system. Let’s all huddle in the basement with a shotgun and some rations.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:16pm@Don
Report Post »I know it is. It’s not my fault you are a complete sheeple and do not realize the the states are to pay for the bulk of what the feds do now. Crawl back into your stall and get your daily ration of feed.
caycee1220
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:10pmI know a few single woman with children who pay in about $1200 in taxes from their pay, but then when they fie their taxes, they get a return of about $7500 — can someone — anyone tell me how that works? I don’t mind if they get all or most of what they paid in, but to receive a 600% return – what the heck. No telling how many young, single mothers filing head of household out there are getting way more back then they ever put in, and that just does not make sense to me. You shouldn’t be able to receive so many credits that the government owes a taxpayer more than what was originally deducted from a paycheck.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:18pmYou are the only poster [on several sites I might add[that spoke your peace without pi%%ing the lowest wage earners off.For this I'd like to add this and tell me if you think it would fly;
Report Post »Williams tax reform 1135
1 percent income tax,1 percent sales tax.3 percent business tax on those business's netting up to a million.5 percent on those netting over a million.On any company coming home from overseas the tax would be 3 percent[for a period of five years] after that it would be 5 percent. No deductions exemptions No anything.Simply a workable flat tax.
What my plan achieves is the following
Removes the unecessary and ridiculous tax code
Forces the government to halt spending
Removes incentives to cheat and launder[both business and personal]
Stops other crime and its hidden costs before it can occur.[ID Theft robbery theft forgery.exc.You would be amazed at the crime rings that use childrens IDs for EIC Fraud.}Most would be shocked at the hidden cost of crime related to the tax system and refund checks in particular.
The money gained would be enormous.
ValiantDefender
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:40pmDTOM, you’re talking repeal of the 16th amendment…I agree wholeheartedly.
Report Post »Also, repeal the 17th while we’re at it.
Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:40pmHey JZS
Time to wake up from your socialist slumber.
Are you not aware that food is already taxed in many states?
Some, quite significantly.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:39pmWhy does anyone want to talk about the 999 plan anymore.
Ron Paul has introduced a far superior plan that reduces government revenue and spending, which balances the budget in 3 years. Of course he won’t stop with that plan, since we all know he will do his best to eliminate the IRS, which is something Cain has no plan of doing.
Report Post »David C. Moyer
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:19pmIndeed. One of the main problems we have with the excessive, and very often just stupid, spending by our government, is that all sorts of people get to vote for and encourage their representatives to vote for spending when they really don’t care, because it is coming out of someone else’s pocket, not their own. If we taxed everyone the same amount- say the total of government expenditures divided by the number of people in the country, people would be in revolt aginst the waste and the waste would be reduced or eliminated. But many people realize that the bill is being paid by the “rich”, so they don’t care if it is ******* away money and obstructing the power of our businesses to compete. They also think that their SS payments are going into a trust fund from which they will draw in the future. If they realized that all their “contributions” were really taxes like the rich pay and were wasted, in large part, then maybe they’d rise up and stop the government stupidity and wastefulness. I’m not suggesting that taxes be as flat as that, but it would have the effect I described. So will making more people pay taxes by 999 or any of a number of alternate plans.
Report Post »nancybmn
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:41pmIf one is retired and trying to live on Social Security – which for the last two years hasn’t had a CPI increase, how can you justify charging these folks with a 9% sales tax, added to your state’s 8.25 sales tax. 17.25% is a hugh tax increase for retirees.
Report Post »prsmith
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:30amI expect that‘s because you aren’t in poor health and trying to survive on less than $1,000 a month.
The bottom line is that the government has 18 jobs to do and they could ‘live’ quite well on 1/10 of what they‘re getting from us if they’d stick to those jobs. Let’s get back to the Constitution and get the fed off of our backs!
Report Post »Jack D Bear
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:48pmGotta admit that Perry had a good point in assessing 999. States like NH and OR that don’t have sales taxes will be levied under the Fed Govt and those that do, like CA which already has a high sales tax will be hit even harder in the pocketbook. Also what about states that have no state income taxes? When you add all this up along with 999 it could become 20-20-20; it may anyway once the fed gets its hands on the checkbook. I love Herman Cain and his spunk, devoid of corruption as a career govt trough-feeder, and honest to the bone. Not sure he can get folks to swallow 999 though.
Report Post »Magnum1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:28amTell me again why we should care about the AP’s take on the debate? Dear Blaze, please stop regurgitating mainstream media tripe. We don’t need to come to the Blaze to hear about the AP, we can just pick up any newspaper in America.
Oh, and another thing – enough with the articles on what Keith Obermann said about this Republican or that Tea Party candidate. Please….just stop. If it wasn’t for Fox News and the Blaze, few would even know that Obermann has a show.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:13amAGREED!
Yo BLAZE …. STOP THE POP
Report Post »dnewton
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:35amAP’s dishonesty and manipulation goes way back in Tennessee. The state toyed with the idea of an income tax more than ten years ago and AP went all out to promote it because the state was struggling to fund the state version of universal health care, TennCare. A local TV reporter spread the lie that only the Lexus crowd was against it and people came in droves with every form of transportation from eighteen-wheelers to antique bicycles to protest at the capitol. People drove from the population centers nearly two hundred miles away and blew horns so loud that normal conversation was not possible within two blocks. The police shut down the off ramp to the Capitol and they threatened to fine people who blew their horns. The state police were called in to control the crowds. It never made the national news but AP was all for it. Even the AP photography department did their part. They made darn sure that of the thousands of vehicles at the protests, the one that got into the local newspaper was what looked like college kids riding a Lexus.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:09pmIf it weren’t for Olbermann, Sharpton, Maddow, Schultz, Jon Stewart and their ilk, The Blaze would have no way of stoking your outrage every day. Think how empty your life would be then!
Report Post »jbbnntt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:58pmExactly! I don’t CARE what the AP says.
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:05pmAmen! I drop away from the Blaze for days at a time because it’s mostly a regurgitation of the “main stream media” or some other ya hoo said. It‘s a shame the Blaze can’t be a force for a positive future instead of a place to piss people off constantly. Let’s put out good ideas, quote what Cain or Newt or Perry or even the RINO Romney said and let’s hash it out. who gives a rats crap about what MSNBC and their Socialist talking heads say?
Report Post »little dutch cleanser
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:03pmMy thought when reading the AP take was, where is the Blaze take on this. What? No investigative reporters?
Report Post »blacksmith78
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:17amIt does appear that the lowest income groups would pay more between Income and sales taxes than they do now under 9-9-9. This is another example of why the Fair Tax is a much better solution. The pre-bate make sure that no american citizen needs to pay taxes on basic needs. People can also choose to purchase used items instead of new if they don’t want to pay more in taxes. The rich will always spend more than we make so they will be paying much more in taxes and all of the illegals and even tourists will start contributing to our economy! The legislation is already written and exists in both the house and the senate. We could replace our tens of thousands of pages of complex tax code with less than 200 pages of common sense. And with the requirement that a super majority is needed to pass any increases, we should be safe from over taxation for decades to come.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:51amCut out the prebate ****, everyone should pay the same percentage across the board, anything else is discrimination, there is no place for discrimination in this nation.
Report Post »TeaPartyDragon
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:56amThe second phase of 9-9-9 will be Fair tax
Report Post »Cain 2012!
keithmichigan
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:35pmThe Fair Tax Plan is what Herman Cain started out with and he should have stuck with it.
I understand that he thought that the 9-9-9 Plan would be an interim plan. Then moving to the Fair Tax.
The Fair Tax is a beautifully crafted plan and I don’t believe that it can be beat by any other tax plan.
It is wonderfully simple and of course Fair
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:15amNewt was the only grownup in the group last night and that includes that sorry excuse for a moderator.
Report Post »zorro
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:29amHe’s been the grown up in a lot of these debates. It‘s unfortunate he’s not doing well in the polls and is not being taken seriously. I‘m not sure I’m a fan but he’s done well in the debates.
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:56pmI was impressed by Newt last night too. He didn’t fall for the obvious plan to get the Repubs fighting against one another. If I was coaching the candidates this is how I would handle the questions with the following formula: :”X, what do you think about what Y said about your plan Z?”. My response would be:
“A good leader never airs his grievances with a colleague in public. If I have an issue with what Y said, we’ll meet behind closed doors and discuss and debate it there. I can tell you that my plan is Z, I’ll let Y tell you his plan. I feel that you (the public) are smart enough to make your own decision on what you think works best for you.”
This is what I would advise my candidate to do, take the high road. Instead, the moderators have done a really good job of getting the candidates to take the low road. It makes them seem petty. So far, Newt and Cain are the only two people who haven’t done that.
Additionally, Cain shot himself in the mouth last night by retracting what he said about Gitmo. He needs to say what he means and mean what he says. Anymore “I misspoke and didn’t understand the question.” statements and he is going to make himself look incapable of making and adhering to his decisions. A good leader listens to all advice, weighs the consequences of each approach, and then sets out the best educated plan of action. You can‘t redact and retract and have people think you’re capable. If you don’t know, say you don’t know.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:15pmFirebrand: if we are never to air grievances with colleagues in public, then why in the name of all that’s holy are we debating?
Report Post »Firebrand
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:59pm@drako
I knew that would come up. The point of a debate is to discuss the validity and evident prudence of a particular line of logic. Personal grievances with what one politician said about another politicians plan are a red herring. It’s the moderators fault for asking the question in the way that they ask it.
For instance, the question “Does your father love you more than your mother?” is a bad question because of the two connotations that can be interpreted from the question. A fair question is “Candidate X has stated that your Z plan won’t work because of Y, what is your counter point?”, not “What do you say about what candidate Y said about your point Z?”. See the difference? In the first question there is a reference framed with a specific target and in the second there isn’t.
A true debate will have a logical flow based on topical questions and the subject of the question is not open. From this, participants argue the validity of the points being made. A. Cooper asked questions is such a way that the subjects weren’t being debated. Instead, the validity of the person (and the character of the person) making the statements were open for discussion. Those types of disagreements should be handled in private. That’s what I was getting at. A good leader would approach it as such.
Report Post »Jerbear1098
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:54pmIt would be nice to see Newt wipe the floor with Obama. He would tear him a new on and make him crap through his ears. As Glenn says, blood shoots out his eyes, Crap would shoot out of Obamalamadingdongs ears.
He would need 5 teleprompters to debate Newt.
Report Post »jbbnntt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:03pmMy impression of Gingrich is growing more and more positive. The man thinks and plans. And I’m seeing him slowly, but steadily gaining in the polls.
Report Post »bigpoppa40
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:14amRomney really torqued me off when he kept saying they are going to pay both, they are paying both!(state and fed taxes) Does he really think we are that dumb. We pay both now. I get we are adding a national sales tax but all the other taxes go away. And yes the “poor” who pay NOTHING and actually get money back(refund=welfare),some reading this might fall into that group are going to pay taxes(skin in the game as out Pres. likes to say).. so of course their taxes are going up they aren’t paying any NOW!!
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:51amWhat ‘other taxes’ go away? We currently don’t have a VAT, so it’s not as if that is going away. If a final product passes through 4 different hands, each of those 4 hands will still have to pay 9% tax on their profits, so only the rate changes. But people in States that currently have no state or local taxes will suddenly see a tx on thinsg they never had to pay before.
Report Post »I doubt congress would pass it anyway. Too many constituents wouldn’t want a 9% consumption tax.
oohisis
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:33pmI was thinking the same thing. I wanted to smack Romney…made me think they ALL just want to keep the tax code as is cause they and their friends know how to work it. I for one believe everyone has to pay some sort of tax. One can‘t respect the ability of the Gov’t to Tax without representation unless they are involved. I want to give the plan a chance. Like Newt as always…
Report Post »Stopit
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:36pm@KTsayz
The taxes that go away are FICA (social security and Medicare). These are totally separate from income taxes. With a complete elimination of FICA taxes its hard to imagine the 9% sales tax on new goods exceeded the current FICA amounts, especially considering the reduced prices that should follow.
Additionally the sales tax is NOT a VAT tax. A VAT is charged at each step goods and services are added to a final product…under Herman’s plan only the final product is being taxed, not the interim goods and services. VAT’s have been used in addition to corporate income taxes in other countries, but a VAT is not in the 999 plan, contrary to what some of the candidates stated last night.
This explains why the cost of goods should go down under the 999. Instead of 35% corporate tax, its 9%, as well as the company portion of FICA being gone. The cost of producting goods is greatly decreased and should result in a decrease in base price. With 9% sales tax the price in my mind should still be lower that what is paid now.
Only those not working at all and not paying any taxes now would see a potential for increased taxes through the sales tax, if the cost of goods are not reduced. But this is one way of everyone having skin in the game of BIG GOVERNMENT. This income group would be shielded from the income tax by the personal exemption, and would only pay taxes on new goods.
The other candidates really turned me against them, attacking for self elevation a good
Report Post »bigpoppa40
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:15pmRemoves all payroll taxes,ends nearly all deductions and special interest favors, zero tax on capital gains and repatriated profits, no death tax,immediate expensing of business investments,no double taxation of dividends.
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:53amIf the Media is for a Candidate that should be the 1st warning sign…
Btw , we are not going to make it to an election , Barry will call martial law when the violence in the streets breaks out…it has been the plan since day One.
Report Post »NO YOU CANT
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:29am@Drak
Report Post »I agree 100%
There WILL be revolution in 2013! And it will come from our own President.
phamill
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:32amI agree, I have had a feeling sense he became President that somehow he will stop the next election.
Report Post »Dont be a sucker
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:20amThe “wacko” left said the same thing about Bush. just sayin’
Report Post »Joel Knows
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:53amSeems like with the 9-9-9 plan that employees would keep more money in their paycheck and have more spendable income over the course of the year. Instead of making loans to the Fed, they would be spending or saving in our private sector economy.
What was the basis of the study? Did they remove the current income tax from the payroll deductions currently being taken out, or just add another 9% on top? What were the parameters of wht the think tank used to determine their facts? Is Cain still refining his plan to lay out the whole program?
So many things that were not defined in this article, just short little bites saying the facts didn’t add up…
Report Post »Drakkhanlord
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:47amCut Govt by 70%…get rid of all taxes and hidden taxes…
Fair Tax -all pay 18% , no loopholes , no nothing all pay 18%…
get rid of the irs and all the other bs agencies…Easy.
Report Post »Moody4u
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:56amSounds like A good plan. K.I.S.S.
Report Post »For the people who don’t know.
Keep it simple stooped.
PGMike
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:16amSeriously? Cut government by 70%. Cut 70% of defense, Soc. Sec., Medicare, Homeland Security etc. Wow! That’s a great idea…not.
Report Post »The problem with 9-9-9 is it simply will not pass the Congress. There is no way Congress is going to pass a tax cut for the rich while raising taxes on the poor. It just will not happen. BHO will beat us to death with this plan. Yes it it simple, yes it is more fair than what we have but people must admit that it cuts the tax on the rich and the difference must come from somewhere….the poor.
We have to address spending not revenue. Smart government spending not slash and burn cut it all now.
EqualJustice
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:41amI STILL really like Bachmann. Combine a few of these candidates and you have a GREAT ticket. i would not be unhappy with several of them. Bachmann is the only one I believe would go after Obamacare AND push for a Balanced Budget Amendment!
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:50am@Equaljustice–I used to like Bachmann, but lately she’s not answering questions but rather diverts attention. For example she was asked the same question last night two times, but rather than answering it she went into “Obama blaming mode.” That’s “politician-speak” for, “I don’t really have any plan or answer there–so I will just show you how bad the current regime is.” She does NOT seem to have as many answers as she’d like us to believe. That’s the same old same old. Politicians promising things, but not being able to deliver. It’s easy to make promises, but without any plans of action–likely they’ll never happen.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:24pmBachmann made a very eloquent appeal last night to women whose whose homes are being foreclosed and whose families are suffering from job losses. I had not expected to see her play the “gender card” so explicitly. If you could ignore what her actual policy proposals are, she almost sounded like a Democrat. I think she hopes to hang on until Iowa and then go from there.
Report Post »little dutch cleanser
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:55pmI would like to see whoever gets the nomination to make good use of the talents of the other candidates and use them as advisors or put in charge of their specialty as Cabinet members.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:37amHerman is being beat up because he is the most competent person on the panel. He knows how to form a plan and how to staff it. Go Herman, go.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:46am@Hickory – and Herman has not been “infected” with “Politician Syndrome.” PS symptoms: loss of touch from reality, delusions of grandeur, thinking if one just tries a failed attempt one more time that it will work “this time,” not having real answers–effect: pointing fingers at others, pointing out their flaws, mistakes, etc., confusion, no longer being able to discern truth from lies. Their only “cure” is to GET OUT of politics (at least for awhile!) and join the real world. But sadly, most of them will not.
So, we need to do it for them – - eh? I think we owe it to many of them to give them some nice, loooong “vacations.” We so NEED new blood, America. Our current system has gotten way too corrupt and has lost its way. They can’t help themselves, so we will have to help them OUT of their current positions–and replace them with fresh, good, new blood.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:34pmCain may know how to state his plan, but if pressed could he really explain it?
For example, why 9-9-9 and not 10-10-10, or 8-8-8?
Or perhaps 8.937-9.224-9.610?
The 9-9-9 figure did not drop down from the skies, someone formulated it: I don’t care who, but how?
Because it’s easy for even the dumbest recliner-dweller to remember, or because that really is the right ratio?
Report Post »Stopit
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:48pmTechnically, 9.1 was the right ratio from a static analysis, but 9 will be more than adequate under dynamic conditions.
Report Post »LearnFromTheGiants
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:32amI like Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan!
I think it’s time every pimp, prostitute and drug dealer PAYS SOMETHING as they spend their illegally earned money.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:42amlearnfr. i think everyone who has earned income should pay some tax. if they were paying taxes instead of being net recievers of taxes they might think a bit about where tax money comes from and where it is going. only taxpayers should have the vote.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:43amYou forget that pimps hookers and drug dealers do pay the Federal taxes passed thru corporations to us when they purchase goods. Remember the 5 hidden Federal taxes Cain was talking about that would be eliminated from his plan, hookers pimps and dope heads pay those now…… Rut roe….
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:01amOld White Guy, I was just thinking the same thing as I was reading the AP story.
Report Post »hud
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:49amOWG–I’m 70, on SS, and I believe that every man, woman, other, and child should pay a minimum of $100. a year in I’m glad to be an American tax.With the stipulation the money is used for Constitutional programs like the military.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:47pmPimps, prostitutes and drug dealers will pay sales taxes on their fur coats, bling, fishnets and stiletto-heeled shoes, but will not pay income taxes under Cain‘s plan or anyone else’s. These are people who deal in cash under the table.
Report Post »patriotic grandmom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:31amI have reviewed the 9-9-9 plan. There is no way it will increase any WORKING American’s taxes. If you earn $1.00, you automatically pay just under 8% in just FICA and Medicaid. Your employer just paid another 8% on that $1.00. Also, if you look at all the hidden Fed taxes on products you already purchase, I don’t think the net sales tax is any larger at 9% above board. Just think of taxes such as gas, alcohol, inheritance, highway use, cigs, phone excise taxes, etc. As a consumer, you are already paying way more than 9% in sales taxes, they are just hidden in the cost now.
Report Post »omni3460
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:40amSounds good, however would the corporations and gov’t remove those hidden taxes? Who knows !
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:25amNext time I don’t want to hear kids bickering about who hired who to cut their grass. I want to know who is going to close our southern border, reduce the size and spending of this socialistic dictatorship known as the obama administration, totaly rid us of any trace of obamacare, and repair our relationship with Israel. Stop with the typica “politician” bull and lets get real.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:40am@JLGUNNER, that’s another example of how out of touch most politicians really are. While we’re watching our TV sets, getting more and more disgusted (and turned OFF) by their childish behaviors, most of them still think it’s what we want: wrestling night on TV/entertainment/a good fight! They think we still want them to “box it out” and come out on top. They have this odd “star mentality” about them. They’ve been in the system too long and NOT around REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE! LOL
They have either forgotten or never really knew or understood what it’s like being just an average American out here–who live in the REAL world, not some bubble called Washington DC. In other words, they truly don’t GET IT.
And it‘s NOT like the information isn’t available to them if they really wanted to know. They can talk with PEOPLE out here–they can read blogs, forums like this one, etc. But it’s obvious to me some of them are living in political lala land–even still, after all this time, after all the TPM has said and done. SIGH.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:22amAs I saw it last night, AP–check out THIS fact:
CAIN was the ONLY one actually EMPOWERING PEOPLE. He encouraged Americans to CHECK HIS PLAN OUT FOR THEMSELVES–in other words, don‘t listen to other people’s analysis but rather check it out, do the math. He is treating people like intelligent human beings, not useful idiots who cannot understand things–but says it’s OK because the government “is there to help.”
The truth is, our government has deliberately made things so complicated SO THAT the American people CANNOT understand it OR truly know what they are doing! They can raise taxes any time they want under the current code and we may not even KNOW about it.
Most of our politicians are offering Unisom. Cain is offering freshly brewed, flavorful COFFEE. Most of them want us asleep or drowsy and they certainly do NOT want US fact-checking anything! Cain is ALREADY offering transparency–look at the plan, it’s on the TABLE–DISCUSS IT!
MOST of the govt doesn’t want us even THINKING about an alternative. They LIKE the current complicated tax code so they can get extra $$ when they want, without us even knowing. . .
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:45amPEACHY…what Herman Cain is telling you to do is to go read the spin he is putting on his plan. Me, I’d rather familiarize myself with the plan and then read what other people have to say about it. Apparently, people who have analyzed the plan think it’s bogus and that it will raise taxes on middle class people. Reading just what Cain has to say is like watching an advertisement.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:57am@Lumbar Spine: Why do you automatically make the assumption that it’s a “spin?” Is it because of all the corrupt politicians now in place–because that is their natural MO? I can certainly understand your skepticism! We Americans sure do have every right not to trust a ONE of these people!
But as I see it, it’s the plan out there. He’s laying it out for all to see–to scrutinize, to dissect–and it can be done because it’s not thousands of pages long!
We‘re used to them telling us we’ll find out what is in a bill once it’s passed and we go along. We are used to being told “Oh yeah, we’ll be transparent” and then not only not being that way, but having to try to read and understand thousands of pages of text.
This plan is so SIMPLE. LOL People are not used to simple–mistrust ANYTHING anyone in govt wants to propose–and very quick to say, “It won’t work.” MOST of what is being written out there is, IMO HYPE. And most politicians do not WANT a simple tax code so they will fight it with everything they have! It’s a threat to their prosperity and agendas.
Report Post »Gashouse Gorilla
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:19am@LumbarSpine, so, in other words, you would rather have some one else make up mind for you. Typical zombie liberal thinking. Most Americans are smart enough to see that the 999 plan works pretty well and will not only reduce the taxes we pay but bring down the price of goods since corporations have less of a tax burden to pass on to consumers.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:44amI see…Herman Cain doesn’t spin. Then he is the only politician who ever lived who doesn’t.
Report Post »Bottom line is the Republican Party is so weak and divided you people anybody looks good to you.
KTsayz
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:28amI‘ve read his plan and I don’t like it. Read my lips: NO NEW TAXES! (lol, couldn’t resist)
Report Post »Seriously, it’s a 3 part plan. So first he’s going to change everything and then at some future date – no one knows when, that is not clear at all (unless you have insider knowledge) – at some future date it changes again. And then at another future date, everything that has been put in place gets scrapped and it will change again. If anyone honestly thinks this can get done in 4 years time, because no one can counct on being a two term preisdent, they are fooling themselves. Plus, I don’t know if I trust the Lowrie guy who made it up. He’s not an economist, just Cain’s campaign economic advisor – who happens to have donated a lot of money to Cain’s campaign. And Lowrie won’t release his analysis of how much the plan will generate in taxes. I don’t like it when politicians hide how they get their figures.
Another negative for me about Cain is that he won’t release the profit and loss statements during his time as CEO for Godfather Pizza. We already have a president who hides his papers and we don’t need another one who does the same.
TeaPartyDragon
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:12am@ Lumbar,
The government as a whole has ticked off the majority of America (yes) conservatives you can call us republican if you want but we are about getting control of the runaway, buy your vote to be reelected elitist out of there so we can get our country back.
Every American should and will pay taxes with 9-9-9; you and anyone else are free to move out if you don’t want to be here but it’s time to get rid of the lazy so we can take care of the truly needy.
Report Post »usa91773
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:16amI said it last week, if Cain doesn‘t back off this plan he’s finished. But he seems stubborn to acknowledge the plan is flawed. I pay 8.75% sales tax in CA add 9% equals 17.75% Herman. Not apples to oranges, might as well drop out if you can’t see that.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:25amUSA, I think you are believing the hype out there. As more of his plan unfolds, I think more Americans who really look into it will see it is workable. Like most plans it may need some adjustments, but it has us TALKING about the dang thing (as Gingrich said last night). And CAIN is the ONLY one with the GUTS to actually suggest DOING AWAY WITH THE CURRENT TAX CODE WHICH IS NOT WORKING OR SUSTAINABLE AND STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH! The current code NEEDS to be gutted! All the others want to do is to try to put a bandaid or two on a huge gaping, bleeding wound!
Report Post »((GB)) FAN
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:30amand if you decide to save your money you won’t pay any taxes. he is the only one calling to end the IRS and all the power that comes with having the current tax code. and why shouldn’t everyone pay the same it is only fair. this country gave us all the same opportunities. i’ve been out of work for 2 years and got nothing from uncle sam. my wife works 2 jobs and are savings are almost gone. then 5 months ago i ruptured a disk in my back and i’m not crying yet or never will. i want the taxes to be fair so when things get better i can start a business and the system will be fair to me. the day they said indy mac was going to fail my phone stopped ringing the IRS is the key to all this croney cap, if you want shared sacrafice then this gets everyone to share.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:33amIncome Tax
You make 50k a year. You currently pay 15% income tax equaling 7500 a year in Fed taxes. Under Cain’s plan you would pay 9% equaling 4500. 3000 less to use where you need.
Corporate Tax
1 loaf of bread we will say cost 50 at the store. It takes fives company to make this one loaf: farmer, blender, baker, packager, and shipper and each pay 35% tax which is added to the cost and we will say 5 6% taxes passed on like payroll etc. Each step charges 10 per step making the cost before tax and passed on tax 6. A 35% tax (2.1) + 5 hidden taxes (6*6%=.36*5=1.8)= 3.9 in taxes + cost 6 = $10 per stage = 50 per loaf.
Under Cain’s plan as long as all are American companies they pay 9%. The bread will then be 6*.09=.54+6=6.54 per stage = 32.7 pre sale per loaf. Sale price including 9% sales tax 32.7*.09=2.9+32.7=35.6 per loaf at sale. Those 5 additional taxes above aren’t added due to being cut from Cain’s plan.
Cain’s plan runs into trouble in that there is no way possible to restrain Congress from raising these rates. Cain’s plan does not address spending cuts or the Fed. No way of limiting rate hikes and not capping/cutting spending is what Ron Paul was calling dangerous as well as the possible VAT between non American companies.
Report Post »Cain was honest you will pay less depending on what and how you purchase. I’m not a Cain supporter and this should show just how stupid and fake Romney, Perry, and Santorum really are.
patriotic grandmom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:38amIt most certainly is apples to oranges. You are already paying FED & STATE taxes. Does any change in the Fed taxes affect what you are already paying your state? NO. Why even bring it up. What Cain is doing is eliminating a tax code so twisted everyone knows its broke. This is why companies line GE pay no taxes! Get rid of it. As a country we would save millions or billions just by getting rid of IRS. No need for it, or at least not like it exists today. As a citizen, no longer do you need to pay someone to do your taxes. You can understand it and don’t need someone looking for loopholes for you.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:39am@Peachy
Actually Ron Paul‘s plan does eliminate alot of taxes and simplifies the plan just as Cain’s plan doesn’t “do away with the old plan” but simplifies the income tax, corporate tax and adds a sales tax. To do away with the current plan would be to eliminate the income tax all together and tax as the founders intended.
Cain’s plan does keep spending for it cuts nothing. Cain’s plan cannot stop Obama 2 coming later and raising it to 20-20-20. Cain’s plan does not address the problem Glenn has told us was destroying our economy, the Federal Reserve. Until the Federal Reserve and spending are dealt with it doesn’t matter what the tax plan is we will lose.
Report Post »Delta_River_Folk
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:40amCain is the winner but I do have the following comments
(1) Come up with a simple to use tax calculator for your web-site, similar to a mortgage calculator. That way simply folk can understand your 9-9-9 plan. Where the user would simply input their yearly salary and the state they live in. The calculator would estimate their 9% payroll tax and estimate their total sales tax.
(2) Don’t GO Negative
(3) Come up with some tax payer scenarios for low income family, middle income, and high income.
In addition, some have talked about reducing capital gains tax. This is not benificial to those who don’t play the Stock Market, which include middle class strapped for cash and low income. Therefore, reducing the capital gains does not help the people that need help.
Report Post »Delta_River_Folk
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:41amHow much payroll tax do you pay (USA91773)?
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:41amUSA – you might be paying more on sales tax, but you wouldn’t be paying all of those FICA and FUTA and medicare taxes out of your paycheck. Your witholding for federal taxes would also drop. If you pay any income tax at all the lowest rate is 10%. You have control over the sales tax portion. If it isn’t new, there are no taxes on it. Do the poor buy new cars, or new homes? When I didn’t have money I went shopping at consignement stores. that wouldn’t be taxed. There are ways the poor can reduce their tax burden.
Report Post »TRILO
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:42amHis tax plan eliminates SSI taxes saving you 15% right off the bat. Lowers income taxes to 9% another savings; currently the lowest tax rate is 10% for single persons making up to $8500 and married making up to $17000 and it levels out the playing field for corporations by a flat tax of 9% plus doing away with the massive amount deductions. What I like about the plan is it captures those who currently do not pay any taxes; individual and corporate alike. It is about time everyone in this country pays taxes at the federal level.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:45amusa91773
How much do you pay in Federal Income Tax? If you are a working intelligent individual I will bet it’s more than 9%. I will take 9% over the 25% in Federal Taxes any day. His plan doesn’t add another 9% to the 25%. Do some critical thinking here.
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:48amOkie,
Report Post »You must be joking right? I challenge you to show me a single family in the USA who makes $50K a year and pays $7,500 in Fed. taxes. 15% is the rate, but nobody pays 15% because of deductions; individual deductions, child tax credit, charitable giving, at home businesss, etc, etc. Because of deductions the average family in America who makes $50K pays hardly any Fed. Income tax so Cain’s plan raises their taxes by $4,500. A few years ago my brother in law showed me his taxes. He made $96K that year and paid $2,600 in Fed taxes. Two kids, a mortgage and he tithes. It is true that they keep their FICA payments but that is replaced by the sales tax. You cannot give huge tax cuts to the rich and claim that this thing is revenue nuetral.
((GB)) FAN
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:49amok read this
Report Post »http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/who_knew_conservatives_loved_the_irs.html
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:11am@PG
Simply was a generic example to show the cost of goods would be lower thrut he fact many hidden taxes that are passed on would be wiped out.
As for your tax credit claims that all depends upon the individual and their deductions. I agree many have abused this program etc. Remove the payroll tax, SS tax, medicare tax, etc and lower the potential rate to 9% flat.
Don’t miss understand me I do not support the Cain plan but I must be honest and say he was being truthful in that goods would cost less to be produced.
I do not calim to be a CPA at all. If you can give a better example showing my numbers above wrong I ask you do so. I openly state I could have some error. Appreciate your thoughts.
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:25amOkie,
Report Post »I agree with you that the costs of goods should come down or wages should go up with his plan. Mostly because of embedded payroll costs like the matching FICA and embedded corp. taxes.
However, I do believe that the average family would pay more. The only reason I think that is because I own a small business and my tax burden would be lowered from about $72,000 year to $27,000 per year under his plan. Where does the difference come from, it has to come from the poor. My oposition to the plan does not come because it is not fair, it comes because BHO will brutalize Rebubs over this type of tax reform and whip his base up in to a frenzy. Just look at the OWN people. They would have a field day with this.
But you are right in that costs should come down.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:45am@PG
I can agree Obama will use this as a whipping stick especially since Cain supported Wall Streets bailouts.
That difference you speak of would be made up in sales tax, thru your purchases. Instead of paying it in payroll and % of income it would shift to be collected thru your purchases since that 9% sales is across all sections. Revenue increase since all would pay the 9% sales tax, except reused goods.
The poor will be compensated in the aspect of “reused” goods will not have sales tax and “empowered zones” would have lower tax rates. I do not like empowered zones for it gives union Detroit a lower tax rate then it does say OK a right to work state. It rewards the less effecient over the more effecient.
I wanted to show Romney was full of bull as was Perry in both either are completely stupid in that cost of goods would lower or were straight up lying to demonize Cain when he was actually being truthful. I can’t vote for any of the 3 now. Make sense?
And there is no way 9-9-9 would pass as 9-9-9. No way in my humble opinion. It also cannot be locked in at 9-9-9 for the future.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:55amRon Paul’s new ad demonstrates perfectly how and why Obama will mop the floor with Romney, Perry and Cain since they are just like Obama in since of big government. (bailouts) Awesome ad! Notice Glenn Beck is featured as well…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J2ATkTYOHU
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:37amOkie,
Report Post »The difference would not be made up from the sales tax. The sales tax in reality would just be a partial replacement of the FICA tax (the biggest tax the working poor pay). 15% FICA tax would be traded for 9% sales tax. I actually don’t mind that idea because it would reward people for saving and being frugal.
Romney did blow that exchange with Cain.
See ya later. Gotta go to work so I can pay for the 99%
DEConservative
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:11amWhat I want to know is if The Blaze is supposed to be the shining light on the media…why is it printing the drivel coming out of these left wing propagandists? I don’t care what the “Tax Policy Institute” or whatever Mitt Romney/Barack Obama supporter you trot out next has to say…these are simple numbers…today on EVERY good/service you buy, there is a 35% markup (at least) because of the corporate tax carried forward…so every American BEGINS with a 35% effective tax rate…MOST Americans then pay at least 10% in income taxes…which gives you an effective tax rate of 45%…not to mention Capital Gains, Death Taxes, other payroll taxes, etc…Cain’s 9-9-9 plan even if ALL these taxes carry forward, add up to an effective 27% tax rate…meaning that MOST American will get a net tax CUT of at least 18% (assuming a 10% income tax…do you pay just 10% in income taxes? I don’t.) He simplifies the tax code so that 1.) We all pay a little toward the support of this great nation 2.) We have 3 taxes to watch and ensure government is not gouging us instead of dozens like we have now…I’m not seeing the problem here. Also, for all the “fair analysis” of the plan, I see they didn’t include the zones, a part of the plan, in their analysis. Easy to make something look bad when you leave things out of it.
Report Post »JustPeachy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:33am@Deconservative, while you make good points, I can understand why The Blaze reports stuff like this–so we’ll know. I don’t usually read AP (perhaps I should). We need to be aware of what people are saying, regardless of their slant.
AP being a “fact-checker” though is laughable. To be an honest “fact-checker,” one has to be truly objective, which AP clearly is NOT. It would be very difficult to find a true, objective source that could be trusted as an honest fact-checker. So, I take most “fact-checkers” with grains of salt.
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:36amDecon,
Report Post »Two flaws in your logic:
1) There is not an automatic 35% hidden tax because of the corporate tax. The 35% tax is on corporate profits, not total expenditures. If My company spends $100,000 bringing a product to market and I make $10,000 in profit the tax is $3,500 not $35,000. Big difference.
2) Let me ask you a question. If almost everyone gets an 18% tax break than how come Mr. Cain suggests that his plan is revenue nuetral? This plan would give higher earners a huge tax break, the difference has to come from somewhere. Mr. Cain said yesterday that this plan would raise taxes on the lowest earners.
The problem with this plan is not that it is not fair. It is more fair than what we have now and asks everyone to pay their own way. The problem with this plan is that it hurts the poorest among us and WILL NOT pass the cogress. BHO will use this plan as a club to beat Rebublicans to death. It raises taxes on the poor, lowers taxes on the rich and eliminates the primary source of funding for Soc. Sec. and Medicare. I can all ready see the commercials. I like Mr. Cain but if he is the nominee we lose in Nov.
tifosa
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:00amOne of the funniest segments, after after they toss around “who’ll be tougher on the ILLEGALS” the Latino man asked them how they’ll appeal to the Latino voters. Whatta circus.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:53amSomehow you liberals confuse Latino voters and Illegal alien Latinos. The Latinos that did the right thing and became legal citizens are as much against illegals as anyone. What the Democrats are concerned about is keeping the illegal alien Latino vote.
Report Post »Gabu
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:56amthinking people will see that 999 does increase taxes for the poor. 47% pay no taxes now!
Report Post »Phattdad144
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:08amNot mentioning the reduction of the business tax will lower cost of products through competition. But that is really not the point of the article.
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:17amDo you know what else would lower the cost of goods???
Report Post »If we sent our production jobs to china and india. Sure we won‘t be able to afford those cheap goods because we won’t have jobs, but they will be cheap.
TomFerrari
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:51amPLEASE WATCH THIS ANALYSIS OF 9-9-9
It is an analysis done by Dick Morris and is one of the most level-headed analyses of 9-9-9 I have seen or heard. He crunches the numbers AND TELLS YOU THE NUMBERS.
He shares my concerns, but, it is a FAIR AND BALANCED REVIEW of 9-9-9.
DIck Morris, as you may know, is a frequent guest and contributor on Fox News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0FDp51c-Bk&feature=channel_video_title
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:14amDick Morris is a progressive Democrat isn’t he TOM?
You want us to listen to anything a Progressive Democrat has to say, seriously? You expect anyone here to listen to you while you follow Dick Morris? WOW…..
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:21amDick Morris flipped sides. He is now a republican dick. His lies are now usually accepted by conservatives and the liberals are the ones who see he is a POS.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:31amMaybe google DickMorris/toe-sucking/D.C. Madam/leash. He’s a degenerate.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:45amAlwaysPropaganda organization cannot/will not tell the truth and use liberal orgainizations for their “facts” which is an oxymoron when liberals/democrats are involved. The AP’s credibilty will continue to disappear as the election 2012 approaches.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:54amAnd yet facts are facts, regardless of who they are coming from. Do you disagree with the AP’s assessment?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:06amWhat Publius said. Tell us what part of their analysis was wrong.
Or, you know, just wring your hands and cry “liberal!”. That seems to go over well.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:08amHow about this AP statement “low-income families the hardest because they spend more of their income than wealthier families do.”
Really? Poor people spend more than the rich? So now poor people go out and buy new cars, remodel their houses, buy yachts, buy RVs, own more than 1 home, etc…..If poor people spend more of their income then they are living above their means and need to get a better job or quit having kids they want the rest of us to support.
Report Post »TEA4Me
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:18amI’d be happy to give you a couple of things that make the analysis used by AP of the 9-9-9 plan wrong. First the do not take into account the empowerment zones. There the evaluation is no longer credible. Done. This is a major point of the plan. I understand they left it out because the didn’t have the info, but that only means one of two things. 1) it isn’t ready to be evaluated or 2) they need to get the information BEFORE they do the eval.
Another thing that NO evaluation of the 9-9-9 plan takes into effect is the consequenes of lowering the corprate tax rate to 9% (which would be the lowest in the WORLD if I am correct). Guess what that means? HIGHER WAGES and LOWER PRICES on products. AKA, people will have more income and that income will go farther.
Do you really think that corporations and employers are eating the high tax rates they are currently being charged? Of course not, they are passing the buck in the form of lower wages for their workforce and higher prices for consumers. If you lower their tax burden, they won’t have to pass that burden to the people.
Oh, and by the way, and 9% corporate tax means J-O-B-S. Outsourcing to India will be a thing of the past…
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:43amThis drivel is more becoming an agenda-led BLOGGER in mommy’s basement…
say, a site like… factcheck.org or snopes.com
But, the AP? COME ON! We know you are one step away from being an NPR, spewing whatever leftist propaganda is PREPARED & SENT TO YOU.
They are becoming nothing more than MEDIA DISTRIBUTORS for the DNC.
On a brighter note,
Report Post »what if we get together and form a new thing I like to call a “news agency.” Other media outlets can subscribe to our service – we will leave the reporting up to them. We will just gather the FACTS and THE TRUTH and license our work to them for a nominal fee.
Sounds like a GREAT idea!
Somebody ought to get right on that and make their billion bucks!
TEA4Me
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:45amTOM, won’t work. They will just spin the facts. You would have to creat an anit-AP. You would have to write up the facts in a non-biased way and force them to be printed as written to your subscibers.
Report Post »Danzig
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:26amWhat part of the word “part” does the AP not understand? Michelle Bachmann clearly stated that the administration is arguing about part of the atrocious health care plan. The AP acknowledges that the “part” then begins to rip into her as if she stated that the care plan is being argued.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:38amDid you watch the debate? Bachmann suggested, if she did not specifically state, that the Obama administration was losing faith in its own healthcare plan and, as an example, she began explaining its actions last week about one part of the plan. But the implication was that the Obama administration was backing away from its own plan. This AP report is fair and accurate.
Report Post »Danzig
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:46amSounds like you need a fact check from AP, too. “But the implication was that the Obama administration was backing…” is not a fact but reading into what someone is thinking.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:06amYou sound like you didn’t even watch the debate. I’m a Democrat and I watch the Republican debates. It amazes me how many Republicans my wife and I know who raely watch the Republican debates…and this goes back to 2008 and 2004. My impression is that they would rather listen to what FOX News TELLS them happened at the debate rather than seeing and judging for themselves.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:38amLUMBAR SPINE, better make sure you get your self a good recliner with a vibrator, as you will need to get all the assistance you can for your headache,heartache and backache that you will be dealing with when the Imposter-in-Chief is sent packing. Many, many people who voted for the POS in 2008 have got a lot smarter and will not be taking the plunge for the Socialist in 2012. Sorry, but the American people are a bit smarter than you. BTW, they are a lot smarter than Obama. Now that is a real FACT.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:42amBig talker, CARBONYES…big talker.
Report Post »omni3460
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:44amThis is another “flip flop” by the most famous flip flopper in American history…Obama. Why has he flipped so many times on his decisions? Because he does not have the slightest idea what he is doing. He has lived off the taxpayer dime all his adult life, and has never owned a business or much less ran a Lemonade Stand…if it was not
Report Post »so sad to watch such a divider of Americans, it would be a LOL !
Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:02amFunny, OMNI, how Obama was declared a failure by the right the moment he took office…when the right declared that it would do everything to insure his failure as President. Unfortunately, the unpatriotic right wing was more concerned with winning the White House in 2012 than in doing what was good for the country. You connect the dots…
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:08amLUNBAR SPINE, best you can do? Truth hurts doesn’t it, especially when you make a champion out of the Liar-in-Chief, you know, the Emperor with no clothes. No back ground, no vetting, a Narcissist, livin in his own solipsistic world. He tried his best, like a Dark Angel from Hell, but he profoundly has been at least partially exposed, and what the American people, i.e., true Americans, see, they not only do not like, they disdain. Enjoy the Prevaricator-in-Chief while you can. He has slightly over a year left. Shame, isn’t it. Wait till he’s out of office and his records get released. Maybe then you’ll get your head out of his hind end and see the light. I realize you far left liberals have a hard time either discerning or accepting the truth. You might try turning your life over to God and His Christ. you would get a much better perspective and be better able to discern the truth. you do know there is only one truth do you not. Keep fishing the truth is out there. Just not where you are presently looking.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:16amLumbar Spine
Get your FACTS straight. “Obama was declared a failure by the right the moment he took office.” Where did you get that propaganda from? If you are referring to Rush Limbaugh, what he said is “I hope Obama fails” The explanation of his statement is the only way America will succeed is if Obama fails with his socialist policies. Look around, Rush was right because Obama did get some of his socialist agenda pushed through and we are in a worse recession than when he took office on Jan 20 2009.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:28amHere is something the liberal media won’t report on “Minus suspected fakes, then Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama likely fell short of tahe number of signatures needed to appear on the 2008 Indiana primary ballot. Obama’s 2008 petition for primary ballot placement in the state contained just 534 certified signatures in the 2nd Congressional District. Presidential candidates must collect at least 500 signatures in each of the state’s nine congressional districts to appear on the statewide primary ballot in Indiana. Howey Politics identified at least 19 suspected fake Obama petition pages.
Those Obama pages account for more than 100 signatures, meaning, minus the fakes, the former senator likely would not have qualified for ballot placement in the state. The suspected fake Obama petition pages passed through the county voter registration office on days when the Republican member of the office was out. We have a fraud in the White House.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:41amWho exactly is going to beat Barack Obama…Herman Cain? LOL…gimme a break. The only Republican candidate with a shot at beating Obama is Mitt Romney…and you people think he’s a liberal! You folks live in some kind of alternate reality with your own set of alternate reality “facts’…it really, really is bizarre.
Oh, BTW, is this a religious board or a political one? It’s hard to tell… Or is it that religion and politics are the same to you folks? Yep…very rational to run the country on the basis of your interpretations of the dictates of an invisible man in the sky. Very rational indeed…
Report Post »Danzig
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:04amlumbar spine = James Carville wannabe.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:45amThanks, DANZIG…I’ll tell Jim that next time I see him.
Report Post »Standing With Israel
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:24amCLASS was part of Obamacare. Income from this was going to be used to pay for other parts of the program – this was a cut that makes the program even less viable. Someone needs to fact check AP.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:17amAgain, nothing Ron Paul said is false. Why don’t we want to elect someone that speaks the truth?
Report Post »raiderglenn
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:26ammethinks he said we should cut off Israel completely…. that would be 1 right there!
You don’t decide, off the cuff, to abandon our only long term ally in the mideast and then try to claim the moral high ground…
Report Post »Truthurts
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:45amWe DO want to elect someone that tells the truth. His name is Herman Cain. Ron Paul can be a great adviser, but he would be a catastrophic president, never mind that there is no way in hell he could ever win a presidential election. Get real and get behind someone that can actually win the general election. We need Ron Paul, just not in the oval office.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:46amspoken like a true paulbot.
Not one word in the article about Dr. Paul, but, you managed to inject him into the conversation.
Speaking of cinnamon rolls, I have a dead squirrel on my porch.
Report Post »HUH?
spurjimmy
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:04amRon Paul for Fed Chief
Report Post »Will4Freedom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:09amRAIDERGLENN:
You said “he said we should cut off Israel completely”
It is true that he would cut foreign aid to Israel, but he would also cut aid to Isreael’s enemies. We currently send aid (I believe MORE total $$) to countries hostile to Israel”
Would we continue to sell Israel weapons? I belive so.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:11am@Raider Glenn
Israel should not be getting US aid, it is called welfare….Do you support welfare here and being dependent upon Government here by our citizens? If not then you shouldn’t think Israel should be dependent upon the USA. It will only make them weak.
@TruthHurts
Yes the truth hurts so here is some truth: Herman Cain does not want to address the problem Glenn Beck has shown us called the Federal Reserve. He said it isn’t a problem and we do not need to audit it. His tax plan cannot be setup so Congress can’t later rasie the rates. He has no plan to cut spending and his plan actually creates more revenue to spend. Herman would get beat by Obama for he will be seen as big business man.
@Tom
When you have to resort to name calling it only shows you lack the ability to think and win on the battlefield of ideas. WilderJokers post was saying Ron Paul was not mentioned because he did not say anything false. I suppose that was over your brains capacity of understanding.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:48am@Okie, Ron Paul, can he be elected? Did you ever hear the expression, “like a snowball in Hell”. That may well be about Paul’s chances of winning the nomination, although I would much rather see him Romney or Perry, both from the establishment, and would definitely support him over Obama. Seems like he needs more fire in his belly though. If he does get the nomination, also seems like his grass roots are building which he will profoundly need to beat Mr. Big Bucks Obama.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:03amNotice on the debate last night when NV was asking if nuclear waste was going to be dumped on them?
TWO candidates saw it as a matter of PAYING NV ENOUGH MONEY and only Ron Paul said IT WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL STATES RIGHT ISSUE!
What do you think? Does a slick politician with MONEY solve America’s problems, or is the CONSTITUTION the answer?
Ron Paul, President 2012
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:20am@CarbonYes
Yes I believe Ron Paul can easily be elected. In fact if Romeny, Perry, or Cain are put up against Obama we will lose. Obama will simply show all three have flipped flopped on many issues, all supported the bailouts and all have ties to wall street and big business. None of the three can steal votes from Obama and none will get one vote from OWS at all. Obama will win.
Ron Paul on the other hand can show OWS that Obama is Wall Street, Obama is the one who bailed them out and still helps them and Ron Paul can show that Obama did not keep his promise and is tied to the Fed.
If we put up a flip flopper who supported the bailouts and has ties to wall street, the fed and big business we will lose.
Report Post »TeaPartyDragon
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:09pmOkie,
Report Post »That’s main street media saying one or the other republican can’t win against obama; it was just 5 months ago the polls said a generic republican would beat obama. Whoever is the last one standing will be in office.
NOBALONEY
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:14amWhere was AP when it came to scrutinizing candidate Obama. Then has AP spent anytime with the Stimulus, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, or Lightsquared. AP is part of th Main Stream Propaganda Media.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:19amI agree 100%! They only seem interested in “fact checking” Republicans. Obama lies at will and goes unchallenged.
Report Post »raiderglenn
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:23amA.P. 2011 “we have examined this 9-9-9 plan and found 5693 projected flaws in the system! maybe…we think… OK, we don’t know for sure, but we still don’t like it.”
A.P. 2007 “Hope AND Change!!!! what more could you want to know!!!! all hail the choosen one!!!”
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:23amExactly! And where are they now in regards to Obama? Where are they in asking for his college records? We don’t even know what classes he took, yet we know what grades Bush got.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:42amObama Derangement Syndrome…
Report Post »Delta_River_Folk
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:21amCain is the winner but I do have the following comments
(1) Come up with a simple to use tax calculator for your web-site, similar to a mortgage calculator. That way simply folk can understand your 9-9-9 plan. Where the user would simply input their yearly salary and the state they live in. The calculator would estimate their 9% payroll tax and estimate their total sales tax.
(2) Don’t GO Negative
(3) Come up with some tax payer scenarios for low income family, middle income, and high income.
In addition, some have talked about reducing capital gains tax. This is not benificial to those who don’t play the Stock Market, which include middle class strapped for cash and low income. Therefore, reducing the capital gains does not help the people that need help.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:54amThe AP is not far from being like MSNBC, a shill for Obama. Now that is not opinion. It’s called a fact. Lovely people they are, lovely indeed!
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:03amThen, CARBONYES, you don’t know the difference between a fact and an opinion.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:21pm“Then has AP spent anytime with the Stimulus, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, or Lightsquared.”
Yes, they have. Check for yourself at ap.org.
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