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AP Fact Check: Are Romney’s Immigration Policy Promises Realistic?

AP Fact Checks Mitt Romney on Immigration Policy Promises

Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, speaks at the NALEO (National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials) conference in Orlando, Fla., Thursday, June 21, 2012. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

Editor’s Note: The following is a “fact-check” piece from The Associated Press. It was not conducted by The Blaze. Weigh in with your thoughts in the comments section, below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Courting Hispanic voters, Mitt Romney is promising to ease the path to a green card, fix a complicated and cumbersome system to let farm workers into the United States and finish a high-tech fence along the Mexican border.

What Romney glossed over Thursday before the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials was how difficult some of those changes could be. Some already have been tried, with little or no success. Here’s a closer look at his immigration assertions and how they match up with the facts:

ROMNEY: “As president, I’d reallocate green cards to those seeking to keep their families under one roof. And we will exempt from caps the spouses and minor children of legal permanent residents. And we will eliminate other forms of bureaucratic red tape that keep families from being together.” He added: “And if you get an advanced degree here, we want you to stay here. So I’d staple a green card to the diploma of someone who gets an advanced degree in America.”

THE FACTS: It’s unclear whether Romney would have the authority if elected president to change the way green cards are issued, or whether he would need help from Congress. It is Congress that sets the annual limits for visas for foreigners who have advanced degrees in certain fields of science, math and other professions. Lately, Republicans and groups representing U.S. workers have blocked legislative attempts to increase those limits.

AP Fact Checks Mitt Romney on Immigration Policy Promises

Advocates for immigration reform have long argued that the president can use executive powers to relax or change various immigration regulations. President Barack Obama has done that twice in the last year. First, he allowed prosecutors discretion to focus deportation of illegal immigrants on those with a criminal record or who otherwise pose a threat. Last week, he announced plans to stop deporting many young illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children who have not committed a crime in the U.S. and to grant them work permits.

Republicans have argued that Obama stretched his authority, but Romney seems to be suggesting he, too, could act alone to make broad changes.

And Romney’s proposal for keeping educated foreigners in the U.S. isn’t original. Obama, in a May 2011 immigration proposal, called for “encouraging foreign students to stay in the U.S. and contribute to our economy by stapling a green card to the diplomas” of those with advanced science, technology, engineering and math degrees.

ROMNEY: “I will work with states and employers to update our temporary worker visa program so that it meets our economic needs.”

THE FACTS: Temporary and seasonal workers are considered a necessity for the U.S. agriculture industry, but importing legal workers has proved difficult. The Labor Department’s visa program for temporary seasonal workers has long been viewed as costly, cumbersome and inefficient.

Several attempts to overhaul it that included a path to legalization for the workers have been blocked in Congress. Republicans have repeatedly said that any immigration bill offering a path to legalization would not win their support.

AP Fact Checks Mitt Romney on Immigration Policy Promises

ROMNEY: “We should field enough Border Patrol agents, complete a high-tech fence and implement an improved exit verification system.”

THE FACTS: Romney‘s plans don’t take notice of what’s already been done, including record-high staffing levels along the border and the failure of a Bush-era virtual fence plan.

The Border Patrol has more than 18,500 agents working on the southern border. In the year budget ending last September, agents apprehended about 340,000 illegal immigrants, the fewest in nearly 40 years – an average of 18 apprehensions per agent. The decrease in apprehensions has been linked to a weak economy producing fewer jobs in the U.S. and to more law enforcement agents and technology being deployed along the border.

AP Fact Checks Mitt Romney on Immigration Policy Promises

Under the Bush administration, the government built hundreds of miles of fencing along the Mexican border. A planned virtual fence was also started, but then scrapped by the Obama administration in 2010 after the project was deemed a failure. About 53 miles of virtual fencing is in place, at a cost of about $1 billion.

An exit verification system has been sought since after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but efforts to build one have been repeatedly stymied, most often because of the projected costs. Earlier this year, John Cohen, deputy counterterrorism coordinator for the Homeland Security Department, told a congressional panel that the agency was finalizing plans for a biometric data system to track who leaves the country and when. He didn’t give details.

Comments (104)

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  • budahbabe
    Posted on June 23, 2012 at 12:09pm

    Remember when the democrats had the majority in the House and the Senate for two years along with The White House after Obama was elected? They did nothing about Immigration, Nothing!! Now that Obama needs their vote they claim they were impeded? What crap. I will vote for Romney because no matter what the so called fair Media say, the truth is that they have been in Obama’s pocket since he was elected and along with Hollywood the most Liberal of us all. If you really want fair elections you have to stop the propaganda machine and for now it is in the hands of Liberals. Hollywood is getting nervous because we are boycotting their crappy movies and their crappy actors. Keep it up!! Until we the people are not fed lies but the truth we will really never know who to believe. I am all for giving someone else a chance at the Helm since this last administration has been a total failure. Don’t throw your vote away———–anything is better than what we have now!!

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    • RGFROMTEXAS
      Posted on June 24, 2012 at 6:02am

      What do you mean did nothing. It passed the house on on December 8, 2010 and then went to the Senate where it passed 55 to 41 only to be filibustered

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on June 24, 2012 at 10:17am

      @BUDAHBABE

      You are like a Fox News broken record.

      Rather than just saying what Hannity says, why don’t you actually think for a minute and you may realize that your idolized pundit is an idiot.

      It’s called the Dream Act (I’m sure you heard of it), it was proposed two years ago, it had majority vote, but was filibustered by the Republicans and died. So yeah, he didn’t get anything passed, but only an IGNORANT FOOL such as yourself would suggest he didn’t try.

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on June 24, 2012 at 11:44am

      It’s the MSM-AP! Yous’ can soooo believe what they say(just-words)!

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  • Selfreliance
    Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:41am

    Everyone should please note the AP’s new rule: a candidate cannot make a campaign promise that cannot be executed by the office acting alone. Therefore, nothing about taxes or deficits, for example. I cannot help but wonder if they used this same rule when Obama promised to cut the deficit in half in his first year, and if they are using it to assess his current promises for a “more fair” tax code even more heavily on the shoulders of top earners.

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  • southernORcobra
    Posted on June 23, 2012 at 8:51am

    And people say this jerk is diffrent than Obama yeah right.

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    • getourcountryback
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 1:06pm

      Oh, he is. He is a RINO for sure but not a marxist, socialist, progressive, liberal, muslim.

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  • ghostsouls
    Posted on June 23, 2012 at 8:00am

    Using the same laws as obama is using right now, Romney can do what ever he wants, just by saying so, and it will be legal. Just like obama, doing end runs around the congress by fiat.

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  • cykonas
    Posted on June 23, 2012 at 2:51am

    Governor Romney has nothing new to offer. He just takes the same old immigration non-policies of the past five administrations and tries to paint them with a newer, prettier smiley face. With each passing day I’m am more convinced that a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama and vice versa. They are the same. If there is any difference it is so small that I can’t discern it. My respect for our Republic and it’s Constitution, not to mention my conscience, will not allow me to vote for either of them.

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:10pm

    I would prefer the blaze conduct their own fact checks. Truth has no agenda. AP “fact checking” is like Stalin fact checking for Pravda.

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    • MrObvious
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 12:57am

      yep

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 7:13am

      You just have to take it with a grain of salt. The Blaze is no different than any other outlet, just a different agenda. It seems 9 times out of 10 they just pass along what’s posted on Drudge. As for the truth having no agenda… I’ve issued this challenge several times to proove a point. Try posting a comment about any of the liberal Supreme Court Justices views on Constitutionalism or the precursor to the theory of Originalism. Those theories are what truly determine if one is a progressive. A hint… what we call social conservatives today hold the same views of constitutionalism as Kagan, Ginsburg, Breyer, Oliver Wendel Holmes Jr. Wilson etc. Here, I’ll help you get started.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Constitution

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  • FlyingF
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:05pm

    A.P.’s fact check: The Chairman of the A.P. Dean Singleton left little doubt who he was supporting Remember his intro. of B.Obama… In his introduction, Singleton referred to what he called Obama’s “always genteel way” and took obvious potshots at his critics. He said that:
    “As president, he inherited the headwinds of the worst economic recession since the great depression. He pushed through congress the biggest economic recovery plan in history and led a government reorganization of two of the big three American automakers to save them from oblivion. He pursued domestic and foreign policy agendas that are controversial to many, highlighted by his signature into law of the most comprehensive health care legislation in history. And the budget plans proposed by the president on the one hand and Republicans on the other hand aren’t even on the same planet.
    ” A.P.’s fact check?????what a laught

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  • welovetheUSA
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:47pm

    We give American citizenships to 1 million immigrants every year…………let stop with the holding out the carrots and get our boarders closed down and begin ration talks….Rubio calls illegals humans with rights…..leave him behind, he is not mature enough to be vice president.

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    • getourcountryback
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 1:10pm

      The only thing “broken” about our immigration policy is the fact that the people pouring across the border ignore it and the federal government does nothing to stop it. Our policies are just fine; maybe the illegals should just wait in line with the ones who play by the rules.

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  • flyingeagle
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:43pm

    Why is it that so many job‘s are available and so many acording to politition’s should go to illegal’s and not to cittisence. If there are so many job‘s out there why must they go to Illegal’s. And make people look into that market.Making those to lazy to find work with what is available should not acspect to recieve unemployment benifitt’s and this should be policy. And only when there are no more job‘s in play should anyone acspect bennifitt’s to be available.If you wont work you wont get paid.It’s very simple and all working people in this great country will be LEGAL.Anyone wanting a green card must go through the legal working‘s of becomeing a bohnafied American with no short cut’s.But all should know that just bieing born hear dose not garenty a free ride.

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  • affinity
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:12pm

    My answer is yes. Romney will tie up all of the illegal immigrant loose ends that Bush left. The reason Obama didn‘t do anything about immigration is because the controllers knew this was going to either be a one term presidency or become America’s first dictatorship. The Eugenicists must eliminate 47% of the U.S. population and 70% of the worlds population because continued population growth is unsustainable. Why do you think the elites have learned to live with the help of as few specifically trained people as necessary? Be prepared.

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:43pm

      Most of the criticism of Romney’s speech can be solved, not by reading what the AP wrote but actually listning to his whole speech. This was a great mixture of conservative values and the law. We need E-Verify and Border security and that is what he stressed in the speech.

      Here is the whole speech again: http://tiny.cc/jsrbgw

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  • de31372
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:47pm

    Romney’s proposal to attach a green card to an advanced degree is consistent with what he has been saying all along. He expressed these views in the Republican Primary. To compete in the world economy we need to be able to attract (recruit if you will) the best and the brightest from all over the world. This has been a pattern that we have followed throughout our history. Where would the space program have gone without the collective genius of European scientists? These same scientists became devoted, patriotic, naturalized American Citizens. They helped our country become and remain the leader we are to this day. We want doctors, chemists, and advanced thinkers to rally to our national cause. Sprinkled with liberty and fueled by free enterprise, this is a winning proposal. Those who want to build an impenetrable mote separating us from the outside world do not understand the world we live in nor do they understand our own history. Build the fence, enforce the law, but encourage the legal immigration of good people from around the world. And by all means, YES, let’s grant citizenship to those willing to fight, and bleed, and die for our liberty as members of our armed forces. Are you ready? http://www.bigrede.com

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:42pm

      amnesty is never the answer. opening the door to increased LEGAL immigration is

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:34pm

      Sealing the borders NOW and updating the process for legal immigration is the way, IMO.

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  • Micah.Stone
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:47pm

    From the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist dictionary:

    “FACT CHECK” = a load of slime, lies, misrepresentations and BS thrown at any non-socialist who dares tell the truth, the facts or describes the mess created by the lunatic-left. It’s often used by the lamestream stooges of the d-cRAT socialists in what is jokingly called “reporting” or “analysis”. NB: when done for ANY STATEMENT by ANY lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist the “fact check” ALWAYS concludes that the d-cRAT socialist is 100% absolutely, positively, unquestionably correct – so nothing to see there, just move along, folks.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 11:31pm

      But you trust the AP when they talk about Iran’s nuclear program, right?

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 3:18am

      Just, They only hear what they want, they use all media if they like what they say, but if they don’t, they are commies. What they all should do is stop listening to all the media and research on their own, but I think they are too lazy for that.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 10:31am

      “All lies and jests. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”

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  • Eric_The_Red_State
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:37pm

    I am pissed.
    These people just snuck into my house – parked themselves in my living room and now they wont leave. I ask them nicely – but they wont go. ——I don’t feed them . . . .but the government does. The government also educates them, gives them free healthcare, free medication, free everything! (I had to pay for all my stuff) They look just like the people that live across the street from me but those people came here, got good jobs and paid taxes and bought their own house. The government doesn’t feed them because they have jobs. I guess they got here legally or something. Anyway – I wonder what I can do to get these people out of my house. They are not bad people – but they just don’t belong here in my living room. They have a cousin that is a REAL jerk. (Gangster or something) and the government cant make that guy leave either!! A real lawbreaker. In fact – the government gave HIM a machine gun. Not sure why… probably so if he got in trouble, they could blame the need for “gun control” on him. This is a real problem – but the government doesn’t seem to want to help me with it. They seem to be on the side of the person who doesn’t actually live here. Cant figure out why exactly. If my landlord encourages people to come and live in my living room – something is wrong with the system.

    Ya think?

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  • barber2
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:35pm

    Seriously, considering our southern border has been open for so long, are ANYONE’s immigration policies realistic ? This problem has gone on for so long unaddressed, that it is now a bit like an inflamed appendix . This is NOT going to have an easy, everybody happy solution. BUT the politicians will play it for all that it is worth – for them. For America ? That “ what you can do for America ” philosophy seems to have gone the way of the WWII / JFK generation patriots .. unfortunately….

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    • nuthrdumkinsrvativ
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:52pm

      We should propose to repeal ALL immigration laws so that nobody can be illegal. Maybe then we could get a few people on record identifying a few reasons we can all agree on for immigration laws so we can hold them to them when discussing relaxing the current laws.
      I don’t disagree that many of the people here illegally would otherwise be good upstanding positive contributions to America. I just think that maybe we should improve our actual immigration process so that there is no excuse not to use it (other than being an ax murderer or drug lord).

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:05pm

      Yeah there is a realistic plan out there. Its Ron Paul’s. Cut off all social welfare for them. Dont issue drivers license to them. No schooling for their kids. No amnesty. Lastly, cut spending and improve the economy, this will bring in the workers we do need, they will just leave their family at home.

      Problem solved.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 11:01pm

      @Mutiny

      Here’s Wrong Paul on the border.

      “The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,”

      Paul also said he was against laws that require immigrants to carry proof of legal status.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 11:30pm

      @TheReal, That’s an incomplete assessment. He’s also said the troops patroling the border between pakistan and afgahnistan would be used to patrol our southern border. He‘s against the id’s because it’s a privacy violation against the 4th ammendment. He’s stated there would be no ammnesty, but recognizes, it’s impractical for the government to round up 10 million people and deport them. He would however create conditions that made it undesirably for illegals to be here illegally. His entire foreign policy is centered on protecting the homeland and our borders. He’s made a point about making illegals a scapegoat for the bad economy because it truly is insignificant to the real problems we face economically. Besides, why do you even care anymore. He’s out, right?

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 12:40am

      @Real

      You know why a border fence is stupid?

      Penn and Teller explain it.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdGvIZut068 Fast forward to the minute 4:10 mark.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 12:44am

      @real

      Also do you not understand the point of the Ron Paul plan. If we arent paying for them, who cares. They wont bring their families and we wont be paying for it.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 3:07am

      Mutiny, I am not sure if these guys have the ability to get around the Fox brainwashing.

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  • barber2
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:09pm

    Lord Almighty but this topic has excited the so-called Ron Paul/ Vote Obama people . This rhetoric is getting as tiring as the Obama OWS / anti-capitalism stuff . Well, at least this group does’t run the Blame Bush Card. And they aren’t into the Race Card. They are more into playing the Throw Away Your Vote Card ..aka : Vote Obama . Duh. Hurry November .

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:16pm

      @Barber, How do you interpret the Constitution? Do you look at precedence first, when something controversial comes up, or do you go straight to the source? With the candidate you’ve always supported, I‘m guessing it’s the former.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:26pm

      i see the neo con nazi i hate america cause i care more about israel and saudi arabia and commiting a holocaust on muslims are attacking freedom loving americans who care about their country and putting it first. you draft dodging neo con old farts are no longer wanted by the American people which is why your puppet will fail against someone who is a proven failure.

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:43pm

      The primary isn’t finished yet………
      Did you hear that the GOP is trying to stop a rally for Ron Paul in Tampa during the convention?
      Why not just have a Romney rally at the same time?

      We frauded him in the election and shushed him on the MSM. Why not just shut down his rally (WHICH WOULD HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE) too. Even though he beat out front runners Bachman, Perry, Gingrich, Cain and his name is remaining on the ticket for a contest; We’ll just shut it down and keep it hush-hush……

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:49pm

      Lordy my, I have attracted the entire crew ! Vote Howard Johnson !

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:57pm

      I am expecting the anarchists to show up at the convention posing as Ron Paul guys . Hope the convention is ready. Am sure it’s just more of the OWS/ whatever Lefty / union / ACORN mobs we have been enduring since the 2010 elections angered our Lefties. Will see….

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:08pm

      @barber

      Sorry, we are not fooled by your boy Romney. We can clearly see the path he wants to take us. Its the same path Obama has us on. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore facts.

      No matter which of these two men win, the American citizens lose.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:15pm

      @barber2
      You have to remember that you’re not just dealing with some normal people who prefer a certain candidate. This is a bunch of wild eyed cultists who think Ron Paul is a god.

      They‘re all liberals at heart and they wanted something they didn’t get. That’s a concept that they never learned to accept.

      They will gladly help 0bama permanently destroy the country just to punish you for not agreeing with them. The fact that they’ll also be destroying themselves is something they are incapable of comprehending.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:23pm

      Poor Ron Paul, destroyed by the idiots that worship him.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:23pm

      @Barber, So you’re not going to tell me how you interpret the Constitution? I’m actually the Blaze let this one slip through. On a similar note, how do you interpret the Bible? Does it change with the times?

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:24pm

      And neither one of you answered my questions.
      Did I call anybody any names? I call Romney un-Constitutional or Flip-flopper sometimes but there is truth in that. I call Obama a marxist POS and there is a huge amount of truth there!
      Why not Romney rally instead of shut up the Constitutional loving PAULMANIACS?

      He is not my God and I don’t believe he is any other PAULMANIACS god either.
      That is a lame attack as always produced by “The winning” team afraid of a Romney and Paul faceoff rally.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:33pm

      BOB!! There you are. I gave it the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t around after being called out by so many. What gives? Are you going to nut up or shut up? How are the Oath Keepers principles consistent with any other candidate other than RP? Have you read the Constitution, or the Oath Keepers platform. Ron Paul’s platform? YOU’RE A POSER!!!

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:49pm

      @WakingSheep
      My favorite candidate didn’t win the nomination either. The difference is, I have sense enough to accept it and move on to the next logical step in the process.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:58pm

      The only thing I can see that I disagree with Paul is he believes Islam in not an enemy, the rest I pretty much agree with. What I don’t agree with, is the majority of his idiotic followers. What you immature kids don’t understand is, RP has no chance to win and it’s mostly because of idiots like yourself. The difference between you and I is timing. You folks are part of the “instant gratification” crowd, it doesn’t work like that, even revolution would be a long and very bloody fight, which is what a lot of you seem to want. I hope that’s not what you want because you are very foolish if you do.

      You’ll get it if you live long enough. I’m prepared no matter what. Now carry on attacking my service to my country like good little Paul worshipers.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:00pm

      QPWILLIE – Same here, the candidate I wanted did not get the nomination either, these poor souls just don’t get it.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:01pm

      @QP, Voting the lesser of two evils over and over hoping for a better candidate next time around is the same thing as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Congrats… You‘ve achieved Einstein’s definition of insanity and call it the next LOGICAL step. Bravo sir. BRAVO!!

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:05pm

      @WakingSheep
      The purpose of a political convention is not to have a “faceoff rally”. It’s not for a bunch of wild eyed, slobbering cultists to prevent someone from making a speech. You know that constitution you Paulbots are always talking about? Well, it says Romney can make a speech even if you don‘t like what he’s saying.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:16pm

      @justangry
      What you are doing is by ALL TRUE LOGIC, voting for 0bama. So you are voting for the GREATER of two evils. I guess you think that’s the logical thing to do.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:25pm

      @justangry
      Learn what this means and you’ll be on your way back to sanity.

      “Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
      the courage to change the things I can, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.”

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:35pm

      Istant gratification? We’ve been putting up with the BS for how long now? Nothing is changing, it’s only getting worse. If, as you told QP, you supported another candidate, you still were against all of the Oath Keepers principles. If we wanted a real Revolution, we wouldn’t be working so hard to take over the GOP and work the system politically. We’re not out there doing the OWS thing, we’re working the state conventions, running for lower offices, etc. Trying to change things with ideas. That’s not a bad thing. Oh and Islam isn’t a threat. They’re militarily weak. From my experience buzzards are more hazardous to our pilots than any Arab/Persian.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:47pm

      Oh? I’m quite positive from YOUR experience buzzards would be more deadly, thanks for proving my point that you are immature.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:49pm

      @QP, Evil is evil. Nothing GOOD can possible come from voting for EVIL. Besides, we don’t see a difference. They’re equally evil in our minds. Romney’s surrounded by true neoconservatives as foreign advisors. Not just the Paul supporter catch phrase. The true Neoconservatives were disenfranchised dems who didn’t like the dove like nature of their party and infiltrated ours. They‘re liberals who want to kick everyone’s arse into submission. So when it comes down to it, some Libertarians think that Obama is actually better based soley on foreign policy because he’s slightly less militant and everything else is the same.

      I know it’s going to be Romney vs. Obama. I have hopes West Coast is right, or that we win the case and we have enough delegates to influence Romney to make some consessions on civil liberties and warmongering. Bottom line is I, personally, am not going to vote for someone who took deferrments to vacation in Paris under the guise of missionary work while my brothers were killing and dying in VN. I think anyone who did that has a lot of balls to run for Commander in Chief. I already served under draft dodging Clinton. Never again.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:08pm

      @Bob, We didn’t have a single casualty during Desert Storm. VFA-15 earned the Battle E as the best hornet squadron of the war. We creamed the crap out of them. We were also the squadron that hit the Iraqi army as it retreated out of Kuwait on the Highway of Death. Now, a year later, I got to help pick up bloody pieces of my friend’s plane that crashed in FL after it colliding with a buzzard. The following day I got to watch his lovely wife and daughter get presented their flag. After a few months of warm ups it was back to Yugoslavia and Iraq. That time we had casualties, but they were flight deck related casualties or accidents. Kids getting blown off the flight deck, another one of my buddies hit an A-6 on the flight deck, another plane lost at sea, etc. You say Islam is a threat, so let me ask you this… why is it that daily casualities were less during Desert Storm than in peace time the entire year before? We were murdering people for oil, not fighting radical Islam for security or freedom. If you don’t believe me, look it up. There’s no way I could be lying and know all that stuff.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:21pm

      Oh and I seen all the aviation hazzard reports during that time, and it’s not like we were getting shot down by Islam. There‘s some pilots on here I’m sure can back me up on this.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:42pm

      We lost people during Desert Shield/Storm, kind of sad that you don’t consider Marines that died a loss. We were on the ground though moving through Saudi Arabia and into Kuwait. I helped clean up that mess on the Highway to Hell as I drove an LVS wrecker. I lost a friend, his name is Ed Codispodo. Our unit took thousands that gave up, most did not want to fight and I thank God for that. 2nd Marine Division, 2nd FSSG, 2nd MTM Battalion.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Bob, So we disagree on some stuff, but based on your last post, I consider you a brother and my heart aches for every hero that didn’t come home. Pay attention, you‘ll see that I’ll always talk favorably about our brothers and typically only post the stuff people don‘t want to hear because I want our military’s suffering to end. May we figure out a way to find peace soon, my friend.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:10pm

      Amen brother, it will all work out in the end no matter what may come to pass.

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 10:19pm

      @qpwillie
      Why wouldn’t you want a face off rally? Why wouldn’t anybody?
      Wouldn’t a face off rally give you more options and bring more about your candidate into the light?
      Why is it 1 candidate wins no matter what when the rules have not been completed?
      My candidate is still in and apparently wanting to throw a rally. Why wouldn’t I want to see THOUSANDS of Ron Paul supporters show up and force Romney to convince us?
      Are we really so far gone that the contest is over before it begins? I keep hearing on the left side MSM that Obama is going to win. I come over to the right side MSM and Romney is going to win.
      Is that contest over too?

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  • WakingSheep
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:44pm

    He sounds almost like Bush, Clinton, and Obama talking about how he’s going to enact legislation this way or that.
    No need for Congress anymore….. we have masterminds who know what is best for us by executive decree.

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:08pm

      He never said he would do it himself. A real leader like the President should be goes through the right lines of authority and that is what it sounded like Romney was talking about with bipartisan legislation like he said in his speech.

      Really, some of you need to watch the whole speech, here it is: http://tiny.cc/jsrbgw

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    • nuthrdumkinsrvativ
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:39pm

      Careful where you step. AP presented the skew that Romney was implying that he would bypass Congress unconstitutionally like Obama just did. They are projecting for a few reasons: They know that presidential candidates routinely refer to what “they will do” without mentioning that they would have to propose legislation and push it through Congress, AP is giving cover to Obama by implying Romney would have the same disregard for the Constitution, AP is also implying that Romney does not know what current law is or how things work, this is another step in the process of breaking down the resistance to governmental overreach by making some conservatives believe that the right does it too. A big example of this is that the left screamed for years that Bush was using illegal wire tapping to spy on American citizens with no evidence and in ways that were illegal even under the authority Bush got with the Patriot Act but they never brought any legal challenges. The reason was that all they wanted was to say that Bush was doing it so that Obama could actually do it and claim Bush set the precedent.

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:06pm

      I heard a lot of “I’m going to do this“ and ”I’m going to do that”.
      I haven’t heard Romney call out Obama on this recent executive order as being un-Constitutional?
      Did he mention it in this speach?

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 8:06pm

      @WakingSheep
      No, Romney refuses to say the word ‘constitution’, even when it is clearly the right thing to do and the best way to NAIL Obama. Its like he has some aversion to it. Instead, he said he wants to override Obama’s executive order with his own “permanent” executive order.

      WTF. No Mr. Romney, the Congress will pass a bill and send it to you for approval – then you can either approve it or veto it

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:32pm

    Look, you people who think that to be conservative is to say pull up the drawbridge, and send everybody back where they came from are not very realistic. The fence needs building, yes. Every criminal gone, yes. I hate what illegal aliens have done to my home state, and I want them to clean up their act, get off welfare, and not get special privilages. The reality is families need to be together, some are so mixed up with residency, cards, citizens, it will take years to fix. Some with no ties need to get thrown out and get in line. What I am saying, this is more complicated than any one person can do. There will have to be a plan, not amnesty totaly, but some sort of real, workable, sensible plan. I hope that a moral president that does things for the right reason, instead of votes, can work with congress to make good, perment fixes. It will not be easy and no one will like the whole thing, including me. We are a good people, with good leadership I think we can and will fix this. I think Romney is the guy who will give it a hell of a shot.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:52pm

      Jenny,

      I don’t look at things as conservative vs. liberal, because it’s relative. To me it’s all about their views on constitutionalism. Are they orignalists or do they view the Constitution as Ginsburg does. (I’d spell out the theory, but the Blaze moderators won’t let me post about it) The bottom line is anyone who thinks like Ginsburg is a progressive. Romney is just that. It matters not, if some of his views are what the media says are conservative. His Harvard Law School views of constitutionalism are the very essence progressivism. As I said before he’s just the other side of the same turd. A full blown progressive.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 4:16am

      Non conservative ideals have given us abortion, homosexual marriage, this entitlement mentality, ie, welfare, foodstamps, bailouts…yadayadayada….don’t tell me its not about being consevarive…conservative people BELIEVE in the constitution and out freedoms….and keeping them!

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  • soybomb315
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:22pm

    Giving people who graduate college green cards and amnesty to illegals in the military is straight out of the Democrat’s DREAM proposal. Not good. In that speach, did Romney say ANYTHING about the border?

    Also, Romney said he would implement the federal ID requirement…..Do we need another Federal program? Seal the damn border first

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:43pm

      WAIT… giving someone citizenship for serving the country like they have been doing for the past decade is a Democrat Dream Act thing… not true. Those that serve on the military already have the opportunity to gain citizenship. We already do it every year. Giving your life for this country and serving honorably is a great reason to give citizenship.

      There is a difference between giving an illegal that goes to college in America and a person on a student visa working for a highly technical degree, we need them to stay, if they are good enough. This is a little more iffy but look at our ‘dumb’ students, they are mostly going for liberal arts. We need more engineers, we have plenty of jobs and no one with the technical skill to fill them.

      Romney talked about sealing the border but for those already inside we have to track them. If they are illegal they will find their way out if they can’t find work because of E-Verify. That again is a Republican talking point not a Democrat one, we need something to verify to employers that these people are legal.

      TWO CHEERS FOR ROMNEY.

      I will be honest I though he would try to sound like a Democrat but this steals the message from them, which is how we need to solve it. Seal the border, and make it hard for illegals to get jobs through programs like E-Verify.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 7:46pm

      Amnesty? oh hell no. you guys are already returning to Bush-ism. May God have mercy on this country. Look, Romney hasnt even been elected yet and you are already letting him get away with amnesty.

      This has been our fear all along – that all you guys would rally around Romney just because he is Republican. What about “holding his feet to the fire”? This speach and your guys’ reaction proves there will be no such thing. That is why so many of us will not be participating in getting another moderate elected

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 11:06pm

      @Soy

      “Seal the damn border first”

      Tell that to your hero RP.

      “The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,”

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 11:43pm

      @thereal
      quite frankly – i dont know what Ron Paul’s position is on the border…He spends most of his time talking about the constitution and how we can reduce the size of the federal monster. Afterall, whats the point of sealing the border if we are no longer a constitutional republic???

      Besides, do i have to agree lockstep with everything Ron Paul believes in? I know that is how many moderate republicans think because they are afraid of individualism (the idea, not the poster). You are supporting Romney….Do you agree with Romneycare, Do you agree with bank bailouts, Do you agree that the tax code should not be overhauled?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 9:20am

      SOY. “quite frankly – i don‘t know what Ron Paul’s position is on the border.”

      Don‘t you think you ’ought to research that a bit? All Ron Paul has been doing is throwing out some nifty buzzwords to get your attention just like Obama did in ‘08 while accomplishing almost zero in his 30+ years of gub’ment service. Ron Paul is a beltway boy just like the rest of ‘em and just as slick as Obama in many respects. Ron Paul will pander to just about anyone to get support and would use (as opposed to going around) the Constitution to push along a diseased strain of Murray Rothbard/Lew Rockwell Libertarian ideology that most clear-thinking Americans and definately well-rounded Conservatives can see right through… as we have previously.

      He’s counting on you to take the words… Constitution, liberty, freedom and money as the be all, and all of your research and ignore the all the crap that is Ron Paul, his diseased ideology, his racist, bigoted and anti-Semitic business assocations and the crap sandwich of supporters he has pandered to over the years.

      Ron Paul’s youngest Liberal-lite followers are a product of the indoctrinating Liberal education system and an ever increasing selfish, narcissistic, gotta’ have it all right now Liberalization of America. Combine that with Ron Paul’s “mostly” nonsensical (sometimes anti-American) rhetoric and his head in the sand approach to world affairs and you have a different recipe for disaster.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 10:56am

      @time2
      I have learned to ignore your stuff about Ron Paul but the last part was interesting….

      “Ron Paul’s youngest Liberal-lite followers are a product of the indoctrinating Liberal education system and an ever increasing selfish, narcissistic, gotta’ have it all right now Liberalization of America.”

      I see it opposite. Your generation are the ones who wanted the government to give them everything and whenever a politician tries to fix social security for future generations – you cry foul. Your generation has witnessed and voted for the worst crop of politicians in american history – what does that say about their character? You can paint the younger generations with broad brush-strokes but that just shows your ignorance – not everyone is as you say. I have met a great many ignorant, selfish, and hateful people in the old generation but i would never say they are all like that.

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  • showmerancher
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:21pm

    The majority of this article is moot to begin with. You don’t argue how to clean up the mess when a water pipe has broken until after you shut off the water.

    As for border security, most seem to forget that this isn’t just about poor Latinos seeking a better life. The border patrol has evidence the potential terrorists have crossed the southern border on more than one occasion. So this is a National Security problem. It doesn’t matter that border crossings are down; the economy is down. When the economy comes back, so will border crossings.

    It doesn‘t matter that we’ve increased the number of agents; we should increase them (or technology) until there are virtually NO illegal border crossings.

    Unfortunately, both candidates seem to believe that their time is best spent on election year pandering to the Hispanic constituency rather than tackling the National Security problem inherent in not controlling the borders.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:26pm

      in romney‘s defense he was railroaded by obama into this conversation which was obama’s goal with this amnesty edict. I completely agree with you though. I really am sick and tired of the issue of illegal immigration when our borders are unsecure, cartels are moving in to the states but our economy is in pieces, the epa is closing coal producers domestically. secure the borders but for heaven sakes someone please bring us back to real capitalism and fix the debt.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:31pm

      Since the government wont seal the border – all they have to do is auction the land along the border. There are enough private citizens (many just into retirement age) that would LOVE to keep tresspassers off their land

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  • Truthbeliever2
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:10pm

    YES! They are REALISTIC!

    They are realistically progressive in their nature.

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  • rfycom
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:07pm

    Let’s all meet down at the pub and have a cold one. WHo care about this stuff. Let’s get drunk and forget.

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  • theblazerunner
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:05pm

    Dreams from My Real Father: A Story of Reds and Deception
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrrnkKmUzo&feature=player_embedded#!

    decide for yourselves…

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  • theblazerunner
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:01pm

    Prevent illegal immigrants from receiving federal benefits
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/22/Prevent-illegal-immigrants-from-receiving-federal-benefits

    bill to fix this problem called the VERIFI Act.

    It’s a pretty simple idea: before giving an individual a government benefit check a federal agency or department must make sure they are a U.S. citizen or are in this country legally. It’s already illegal for them to receive these benefits, it’s just the government does not check. President Obama could actually implement this common sense requirement. Instead, the President is implementing liberal immigration policies by fiat.

    Knowing that the Obama Administration is unlikely to take this logical step, I introduced H.R. 6000, the Validating Entitlement Recipients through Indicated Federal Immigration Status Act or the VERIFI Act. The Department of Homeland Security has an existing system called the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program which states, localities and federal agencies can already use to check the immigration status of beneficiaries. Unfortunately, there is no requirement that federal agencies do so. My bill merely requires that federal agencies use the existing SAVE program to verify the citizenship of beneficiaries before giving them benefits.

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  • godlovinmom
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:56pm

    Maybe so…but I do know his policies aren’t conservative…at least we know where Obama is coming from…Romney…classic wolf is sheeps clothing…can’t wait till November so I can put my non committed vote in for this idiot, only because Obama is a bigger idiot.

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    • arbeauchamp
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:05pm

      He‘s a good man and doesn’t have a sketchy past. I think he’ll bring people together, really. I know you’re not sure, but I do think he’s genuinely a good person. That‘s more than enough for me because we’re missing that now.

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    • Truthbeliever2
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:18pm

      You should vote on the principals that made this country great at one time. Vote for a Constitutionally sound candidate. Vote for a candidate who will not provide ANOTHER Amnesty for Illegals. Vote for a candidate that will protect your 2nd Amendment Rights. Vote for a candidate who would never pass laws for government or state run healthcare. (RomneyCare)

      OR

      You can vote to be on the winning team (according to the media) of a RIGGED CONTEST.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:19pm

      @arbeauchamp
      I believe he’s a good man. He’s definitely not a true conservative but between him and 0bama, 0bama WANTS TO destroy the country. Romney doesn’t. I prefer to save the country now so we’ll have a chance to work on getting a better candidate in the future.

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:20pm

      Godlovin is a religious bigot and she can’t think straight half the time. She never gives credit where credit is due, especially if a Mormon has anything to do with it. Her vile Christianity towards others is so evident.

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    • momrules
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:26pm

      GODLOVINMOM……….It’s interesting that you say that about Romney. I am having a real problem liking him at all. I haven’t liked him since I first heard about him in 2007. I don’t trust him either. He certainly is not my choice as the nominee but like you I will probably vote against Obama by voting for him.
      Romney troubles me so much that I have been asking for God’s guidence regarding him.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:28pm

      @LibertyGoddess
      and i have noticed your title contradicts your character. You talk nothing of liberty – only nastiness

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    • Individualism
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:49pm

      you don’t have to put your vote in for an Obamalite, you can vote for Gary Johnson look him up and if you like him vote for him.

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    • justangry
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 5:55pm

      @Godlovingmom, In your heart you know he’s a progressive. We all do. He might be a decent fella, a good businessman, a great family man, etc., but his progressive policies will further erode the Constitution if well intentioned or not.

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:03pm

      INDI is still pushing the “ Vote Howard Johnson” screed ! Ho. Ho. Guess Media Matters / Obama campaign central is still telling them to post that stuff ! Oh, wait maybe it was Vote Gary Moore…can’t remember ….oh, well, just Vote Obama which is what that “ Vote Whatever Johnson” means !

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    • Individualism
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:23pm

      Romney is Obama idiot!

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    • barber2
      Posted on June 22, 2012 at 6:50pm

      No. Obama is his own idiot.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on June 23, 2012 at 4:11am

      LibertyGoddess..Hardly…I’m not a bigot of any kind…because I have certain beliefs and “try” to stick with them as best I can…unlike yourself…ever re-read your post, my friend….anyhooo…still don’t care for “slick willy”, as I like to call him ;)

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  • Individualism
    Posted on June 22, 2012 at 4:56pm

    amigo give amnesty your people lol.

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