AP FACT CHECK: Obama’s Jobs Plan Paid For? Seems Not…
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WASHINGTON (The Blaze/AP) — President Barack Obama’s promise Thursday that everything in his jobs plan will be paid for rests on highly iffy propositions.
It will only be paid for if a committee he can’t control does his bidding, if Congress puts that into law and if leaders in the future – the ones who will feel the fiscal pinch of his proposals – don’t roll it back.
Underscoring the gravity of the nation’s high employment rate, Obama chose a joint session of Congress, normally reserved for a state of the union speech, to lay out his proposals. But if the moment was extraordinary, the plan he presented was conventional Washington rhetoric in one respect: It employs sleight-of-hand accounting.
A look at some of Obama’s claims and how they compare with the facts:
OBAMA: “Everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything.”
THE FACTS: Obama did not spell out exactly how he would pay for the measures contained in his nearly $450 billion American Jobs Act, but said he would send his proposed specifics in a week to the new congressional supercommittee charged with finding budget savings. White House aides suggested that new deficit spending in the near-term to try to promote job creation would be paid for in the future – the “out years,” in legislative jargon – but they did not specify what would be cut or what revenues they would use.
Essentially, the jobs plan is an IOU from a president and lawmakers who may not even be in office down the road when the bills come due. Today’s Congress cannot bind a later one for future spending. A future Congress could simply reverse it.
Currently, roughly all federal taxes and other revenues are consumed in spending on various federal benefit programs, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans’ benefits, food stamps, farm subsidies and other social-assistance programs and payments on the national debt. Pretty much everything else is done on credit with borrowed money.
So there is no guarantee that programs that clearly will increase annual deficits in the near term will be paid for in the long term.
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OBAMA: “Everything in here is the kind of proposal that’s been supported by both Democrats and Republicans, including many who sit here tonight.”
THE FACTS: Obama’s proposed cut in the Social Security payroll tax does seem likely to garner significant GOP support. But Obama proposes paying for the plan in part with tax increases that have already generated stiff Republican opposition.
For instance, Obama makes a pitch anew to end Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which he has defined as couples earning over $250,000 a year or individuals earning over $200,000 a year. Republicans have adamantly blocked what they view as new taxes. As recently as last month, House Republicans refused to go along with any deal to raise the government’s borrowing authority that included new revenues, or taxes.
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OBAMA: “It will not add to the deficit.”
THE FACTS: It’s hard to see how the program would not raise the deficit over the next year or two because most of the envisioned spending cuts and tax increases are designed to come later rather than now, when they could jeopardize the fragile recovery. Deficits are calculated for individual years. The accumulation of years of deficit spending has produced a national debt headed toward $15 trillion. Perhaps Obama meant to say that, in the long run, his hoped-for programs would not further increase the national debt, not annual deficits.
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OBAMA: “The American Jobs Act answers the urgent need to create jobs right away.”
THE FACTS: Not all of the president’s major proposals are likely to yield quick job growth if adopted. One is to set up a national infrastructure bank to raise private capital for roads, rail, bridges, airports and waterways. Even supporters of such a bank doubt it could have much impact on jobs in the next two years because it takes time to set up. The idea is likely to run into opposition from some Republicans who say such a bank would give the federal government too much power. They’d rather divide money among existing state infrastructure banks.
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OutofSympathy
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:51amRFYcom:
Sorry, if you were Christian you would know that the only way to the Father is through the Son…
Claiming you don‘t believe and in the very same breath saying you will probably go to heaven even though you don’t is fantasy.
A Christian act would be finding a Christian church you agree with, joining the church and tithing your 10%. I hate to inform you of this but IF you don’t care if your money is wasted then by all means send more of your money to the government. IF however you want the money you give to mean something and get to people who truly need it the give it to your local church, you see they actually know the people that do in a way the federal government NEVER could…
Report Post »Seabee79
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:12amThis jobs bill is proof the Democrats are just a bunch of Keynesians with a guilt complex at the moment. They know their policies have utterly failed in the best test they’ve ever had. All the years of Keynesian economics classes, all the back-room poo-pooing of Reaganomics and supply-side economics and “tax cuts for the rich”– and when a full-on recession is handed to them, with full control of the legislature and executive branches, they put everything they were ever taught into action: TARP (yes, voted on under Bush -by a Democratic legislature- but administered by the Obama Administration), Stimulus, Omnibus, Cash for Clunkers, Dodd-Frank, even Obamacare; all examples of Keynesian economic policy and all complete and abject failures. And now they’re caught. Trapped. In the corner with the smoking gun and the economy is bleeding. And they try and blame the paramedics.
Report Post »This is the reality of the situation and they have not– and cannot conceive why they have failed.
Ruler4You
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:45amLook, this clown said the StalinCare was paid for. He hasn’t uttered one 100% truthful sentence in three years with the exception of his claims that he is going on another vacation or to play another round of golf.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 11:24amThis is at best a half report, report. Under this logic not much of anything was paid for under Bush. As he ran increasing deficits for the last 6 years of his budgets. The deficits began right after he started the worthless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and decided to pay for them with tax cuts. The current economic situation reflects longer terms problems 1) unfair free trade agreements, 2) decline in real wages over the past 10 years and 3) the concentration in wealth. A secondary issue to the trade agreements is the failure to require a progression to living wages. A situation that would provide their workers with the ability to actually buy US goods.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:15pmAs a Christian, I challenge you to find ONE passage in the New Testament saying Chritians should Tithe. To save you time, there isn’t one. Many denominations advocate Tithing, because they know they will get at least 10%. We,as Christians, are to give, according to our ability,but most importantly,to give as the Holy Spirit leads us. It is NOT the amount,it is the Spirit of giving that matters! God created,and OWNS everything. He doesn’t NEED us to give. Legal giving,as Scripture says, is NOT true giving. Some Christians give up to 90% of their income. When we are asked to give sacrificially, it is not meant for us to deprive our family of daily needs, but to coax us into the RIGHT heart condition. God v/s mammon. You CANNOT LOVE both!
Report Post »smokeysmoke
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:16pmObamas job speech sounds very similar to the way a CHILD MOLESTER COURTS HIS PREY… i mean come on just get in the car… do it… its good for you… if you dont your parents willl be mad your late for home… etc….. now obama… pass it now…. if you dont people will lose jobs… just pass it… if you dont im going to go all over th enation.. saying that your bad… i MEAN HE IS AS PUSHY AS A CHILD MOLESTER TRYING TO PUSH HIS AUTHORITY ON AN UNKNOWING CHILD….. WE ARE NO LONEGER GOING TO BEND OVER….. OBAMA
Report Post »McBreezy
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:26pmI know this is off the topic, but your statement begs rebuttal. Just for the record, that’s your belief. That doesn’t make it right. I believe that Christ died for our sins, but I also believe that my God is the same as Allah, Vishnu, and ALL other names that varied religions call Him by. Just like Satan has been known by many different names by many different people, I believe that God is known by many people as many different names. But, if you were to look at it like a father (or in this case Father) would look upon their children, you can’t imagine that anyone would damn any of their children to Hell just for not revering him in exactly the same way, as long as they show him their respect. So to tell someone they aren‘t going to heaven just because they don’t believe the same way you do… what would you say to your children if one said to the other that they were going to hell because, say, their bedtime routine wasn’t the same? It may sound silly to you, but to your child condemning the other it’s the way it should be done.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:32pmSimply more smoke & mirrors and LIES. I expected to hear Joe Wilson shout out “YOU LIE” which we all know is God’s truth.
This man is still smoking or snorting something to think we could ever believe anything he says.
His sweet teleprompter words no longer ring sweet or truthful. LIES!
Remember the “pass the bill to find out what’s in it?” This is the same tactic he’s trying again. He honestly thinks Americans are as shallow and simple minded as he is. NO SIR, we’re not!
We caught on quickly that you are NOT who you tried to pass yourself as. We know now.
Our Country is broke and you want to keep trying the same ole‘ stupid tricks that didn’t work last time.
Report Post »Dear God, I can’t wait for 2012 so we can wash our hands of this man who intends to do harm to us.
qban
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:33pm@JROOK
Report Post »The current economic situation is due to the destruction of the construction industry. Construction (new home sales in particular) is one indicator of economic helath. This situation started back in 1977 when Jimmy Carter signed the “Community and Reinvestment Act”. That set the way banks lend money for mortgage loans. Basically, this law made banks lend money to people (minorities mostly) who could not afford a mortgage in the first place. The snow ball started then, later Bill Clinton also put his wonderful “ideas” to work with the “National Homeownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream”. This lower even more the guidelines under FHA for the banks to lend money to low income people. Goverment used Freddy and Fanny Banks (Taxpayers Backed Banks) to insure those mortgages and banks saw the opportunity to make easy money (how could you blame them?) . “If this guy can’t pay his mortgage”, Uncle Sam will pay you back. The spiral went out of control, adding the fact that America had switch from a money saving society to a credit society several years back. The banks soon ran out of liquidity to keep on with the fast rate of lending. So, they went bold and created those beautiful 80/20 loans, negative interest loans, ARM 3 to 7 years, etc, etc. Oviously, the bubble burst and everything went to a halt. Construction stopped, the construction industry died, and the whole country followed in the economic downtrend. Everything point back to the liberal stupid
qban
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:50pm@ JROOK
Report Post »Hey, do you want to go even back in time? I‘m sick and tired to hear the lie about how we get off the big depression in the 1930’s. When FDR got elected the unemployment was about 20%. So then like today, the liberals gave us the New Deal. A massive goverment expansion ,and a massive entitlement program started. So, after almost 10 years in power and all those stupid laws in effect, the unemployment went down from a little above 20% to a little above 15%, only about 5%. The only event that actually save us from going back to the stone age was the second world war that started in 1939. Thousands left their jobs to go to war, women started to take the jobs men had left. The US became the manufacturer for almost the whole world. At the end of IIWW, unemployment was lower than 2%. There you go stupid Keynesian.
zeke440
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 3:09pmAND I understand… Give to Ceaser that which is ceaser’s and God what belongs to God… your Soul… Not how to run a country. When I was a Child I thought and acted as a child.. now… as an adult act and think as an ADULT… You have to seperate your thought process Pray for what God will give you… not that which is Ceasers… That what HE will give you… Knowledge… Wisdom… and the strength to live the life he wants you to live… Religion and Politics are not one and the same.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 3:49pm@qban At best you looking at the trees and ignoring the forest. Wall Street knew exactly what they were doing when they created the Mortgage back securities..financing mortgages and avoiding the restrictions and regulations placed on banks for mortgages, some of which you note. And to mask the inherent risk they created credit swaps as “insurance” of course not subject to the insurance regulations. No question the aspect you mentioned was a contributing factor to the current economic crisis, but how do you account for the bad mortgages being written for middle and high income individuals to purchase multiple investment properties and speculative real estate. I recommend looking beyond the current crisis as it is just a symptom of the general economy living off the debt side of the balance sheet, the 1990′s expansion was fueled by the general economy living off the asset side of the balance sheet. Now that the balance sheet is stretched so to speak we are back to incomes, which have gone down for the majority of US workers. You describe the crisis not the underlying economic weakness which will keep us in trouble for a while.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 3:53pm@qban Oh and save stupid for the rest of your group who listen to RL and manufacture rational to blame “liberals” for everything. I am conservative or liberal depending on the issue as I actual consider relevant facts before deciding on things rather than force everything through an ideological filter.
Report Post »archieb1
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 4:25pmJROOK,
Report Post »your thinking is definately clouded by your beliefs. George W. Bush added 2 Trillion dollars to the deficit in 8 years in office. That includes your “useless wars, 9-11, Hurricane Katrina and the rest of his costs. On the other hand, in Nancy Pelosi’s reign of terror as house speaker, in 4 years she added 5 1/2 trillion. The facts are easily found if you take the time to get them.
AvengerK
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 4:27pmYes because JROOK would you have believe that government mandated lowered lending standards (lobbied for primarily by liberals with groups like ACORN actually entering banks and protesting) didn’t lead to predatory lending practices.
Report Post »n2sooners
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 4:49pm@jrook “he ran increasing deficits for the last 6 years of his budgets” Not true
Bush was responsible for seven budgets in his eight years. There was no 2009 budget until after Obama took office. Deficits increased under Bush until 2004, but they decreased in 2005, 06, and 07. It spiked back up again in 2008, but that was also the first budget passed by a democrat controlled congress. Even if you give Bush partial credit for 2009 (he did pass tarp) that is only two years, not six.
As for when the deficits started, the national debt increased more in 2001 than in 2000, and 2001 was the final Clinton budget. Some say those years we had a surplus, but I’m not sure how you can claim a surplus when your debt is increasing. Either way, it was going in the wrong direction long before we took any action in Iraq or Afghanistan, and the 2002 budget was passed long before any action as well.
Report Post »pbrenda51
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 9:57pmLet me get this straight…….we are trillions in debt, borrow 40cents of every dollar and the idiot-in-chief wants us to borrow to spend more to make jobs, the same jobs he promised were shovel ready for Stimulus 1……hmmmmmm
Report Post »sweetsuzee
Posted on September 10, 2011 at 2:25pmHOLLYWOOD – Perhaps you might want to read Hebrews, 7: 1-5
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 11:54am“Paid for” is a governmental permitted colloquialism used by congress and politicians in general to bamboozle everyday Americans from calling them the liars they are. None of the last 3 years has been paid for. 0. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
If you or I had made such a claim under similar fiscal standards of responsibility in the public arena we would be immediately subpenaed and or taken into custody to face charges similar to those Bernie Maddoff is facing.
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:29amI don’t care if its paid for or not. I am glad to pay what I pay in taxes and more to help people in need. I hope they would do the same for me. Does this not sound republican? Probably does not , but it sounds Christian and I’m not even a believer. Will some of the money be wasted? Yes, but if it helps 60% of the people needing help, I’m ok with it. Guess I may go to heaven even though I do not believe in such a thing
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:35amOh please, get over yourself.
Your statement was about as vapidly and willfully blind as a statement can be. The empires of the world throughout history have counted on people just like you to maintain their power.
Report Post »Dr Vel
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:38amWords from a fake liberal zombie drone plant. Our IQ’s are higher than a banana, so sorry about yours.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:40amRyfcom
So, why not pay less taxes to big brother and then take that “extra” money and help people in need in your area?!? You see, I call B.S. on your entire statement… Those that want “big brother” to force them to be charitable to the needy, really are not charitable… Thus, making you look like you’re talking out of your a$$…
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:43am@RFYCOM.. I have a bridge to sell you…
Report Post »HowardSternIsABigot
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:47amDeep as a mud puddle!
Report Post »HowardSternIsABigot
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:48amMail me a hundo and Ill gladly give 59 dollars of it to charity. oh is that different?
Report Post »OutofSympathy
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:51amSorry, if you were Christian you would know that the only way to the Father is through the Son…
Claiming you don‘t believe and in the very same breath saying you will probably go to heaven even though you don’t is fantasy.
A Christian act would be finding a Christian church you agree with, joining the church and tithing your 10%. I hate to inform you of this but IF you don’t care if your money is wasted then by all means send more of your money to the government. IF however you want the money you give to mean something and get to people who truly need it the give it to your local church, you see they actually know the people that do in a way the federal government NEVER could…
Report Post »greatdanes
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:59amWhat a Stupid Thing to say – Typical Liberal Throw Money You don‘t have at ’Any’ Problem in Hope to fix it. Look At the schools in this Country- Kids are as Dumb as Stones. Money doesn’t solve problems. If this Pres. was trying to create Jobs he would call off the Dogs of Regulations on all business in the country. EPA is after Small Farmers selling Milk for God’s sake. Kids with lemon aid stands are in fear of the Government – Obama is Not Trying to Fix He’s Deliberately Destroying Any Jobs Left in USA. We‘re Not Drinking the ’cool aid’ at the local commie meeting -We See Obama He has No Clothes On. The people that are not going along with Obama‘s lies will be the Ones to Rebuild This Country when He’s gone. Please go back to sleep let the people that Pay Taxes & Hire others try to get through an impossible period .
Report Post »itsmyfirstday
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:00amDemocrat = Government and regulations are the answer
Report Post »Republican = Government and regulations are the problem
PATRIOTMAMA
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:09am@RFYcom
Report Post »You are the very definition of USEFULL IDIOT. Christianity teaches the INDIVIDUAL to help the poor not throw your money at a corrupt government and hope that they use your tax dollars to actually help people. Point of fact, the social programs of this country in the last century have done more to keep people enslaved in poverty and dependent on the teat of the Fed government than help anyone. Did FEMA do anything to really help after Katrina, is FEMA paying for any real disaster relief for those in Joplin, MO? It isn‘t if you don’t know the answer and Social Security has robbed people of their hard earned wages and gave pittance back to our seniors for it‘s entire existance and yet people keep blindly following their puppet masters in congress saying that we can’t hurt Seniors by reforming it or anything else. You know what?!! You want to do the “Christian” thing and help those less fortunate than you, what would happen in this country if people would take those same tax dollars and donate them to legitimate charities that are truly out there in the trenches helping people in a real way?!! You want to talk about fundamental change we can hope in. The government can’t do anything right except for letting our military protect us when they actually let them do it. Jesus taught in personal individual salvation not this evil concept of collective salvation quit letting others do your dirty work.
LadyIzShy
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:28amI wont get in to the religous aspect of your post as I think you are a troll just trying to proke a fight. I will say by all means pay extra taxes if you wish. They do not stop you from doing this. It is your right to pay extra and the IRS would love to see that happen.
I for one understand that I have NEVER been employed by a poor man. I know my job was created by someone with enough money and vision to MAKE something happen. I do think we need to close ALL tax loop holes I lean towards the flat tax for ALL peopel and companies and EVERYONE should pay taxes NOT just the rich. I personaly know people who pay NOTHING in taxes and rather they get back about 9grand each year simply because they have more children. sad isnt it
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:51amWhy don’t you give all your money. You can you know
Report Post »lvamervet
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:52amNew Acronym for…..OMG
Report Post »ObamaMustGo
bandi9
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 9:05amagreed GhostofJefferson-RFY is like the lemming that is moving toward the cliff. very idotic statements.
Report Post »kraphtsman
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 10:07amSounds to me like you‘re simply an Obamian who’s been drinking a lot from the same “progressive” sacramental koolaide jug as the rest of the weak-minded sheeple who vote Democrat.
If it makes you feel superior, don’t just pay MORE of whatever “tax” dollars (which I suspect were actually transferred to you via government extortion from some other “selfish” working stiff in the first place) your self-righteous mind deems fit … go ask all of your like-minded zombies to join you.
Meanwhile, I’ll keep withholding as much of MY hard-earned money from this corrupt, greedy government as I possibly can… and I’ll be helping my cause by joining the gathering landslide majority of TAXPAYERS when we vote out as many idiots like Obama and company as we certainly will next fall !
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 10:33amI would bet that RFYCOM pays NOTHING IN TAXES! Charities can do what you are talking about better and cheaper on the local level than GOVERNMENT .. the money never really makes it to those in need from government .. only scraps …
As for Obama .. if his lips were moving he was LYING! NO MORE SPENDING >> CUT CUT CUT .. unleash PRIVATE BUSINESS to get the economy and jobs growing.
TEA!
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 12:27pmWe are trillions in debt. It is getting worse everyday.
Report Post »And these morons think we have money.
It is no wonder we are going down the tubes.
We just sit back and let these criminals destroy our Country !!!
Disgusting !!!!
Steve
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 12:38pmSo tell me exactly where Christ told us to bow to our masters and pay them the tax they demand so they can distribute the wealth where they feel it’s necessary? Just wondering if I’m reading the wrong Bible.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:52pm@RFYCom. You are a typical commie who thinks the gov’t will take care of us. No Way Jose! you want to give the gov’t more, they’ll take it. Kinda like Buffett wants to pay more, ha, he knows he can, but he already owes IRS a milllion he hasn’t paid yet.
Those who believe in Charity give to their churches, Red Cross, Salvation Army, Goodwill who help people all over. The 700 Club has the most wonderful charity called ‘Operation HOPE’ who usually beat everyone else to disasters all over the world. This is what God intends, to help from ourselves, not through the government who usually make these people their slaves, because they like the freebees coming every month. Just look at the getto’s and how those poor people live who depend on the Government instead of God.
Report Post »navydoc2008
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 2:16pmThis sounds just like the rhetoric you would expect from someone who probably pays little to no income tax. Tell me, are you one of those that gets more back than you pay? No wait, you probably won’t be honest, you’ll most likely say you’re a doctor, physicist, rocket scientist or better yet a top 10% earner that really wants more taxes taken out.
I can tell you that being in the (middle of) middle class, I feel the burden. I can also tell you that more than 10% of my pay goes to charities. Does that make me a hero or special? No it makes me someone who puts my money where my heart is. Maybe if you and your ilk would dedicate at minimum 10% to go to charities of your choosing, you wouldn’t feel so under burdened as to want to take more of my money for your causes. If everyone did that we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Put your money where your mouth is! Then if you still want to pay more in taxes make out a check with the amount you wish to go to the government and send it in with the IRS, and be sure to decline your IRS refund. Then we’ll take you seriously.
Report Post »fights
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 4:56pmReally, so it doesn’t bother you that a large percentage of the money taken in taxes goes to help special interest groups, padding pockets of cronies, push through programs you may not even agree with and for me that would be paying for abortions.? If that makes you feel good, then by all means send in more, but if you think its going to get you into heaven, lord help us!
Report Post »doodad
Posted on September 10, 2011 at 12:08amYeah, ok Warren Buffet. Put your money where your mouth is and tithe all you want to Obama. There’s a link on irs.gov where you can tithe all you want. Of course you won’t do that, will you Warren? It’s too easy to sqawk about others not paying enough, while you pay as little as possible just like everyone else. And if you are fine with 40 cents of every dollar being wasted, then you are not going to heaven. Why would heaven accept a doofus statist? You libz talk a good game, but when it comes time to actually play the game, you run for the hills.
Report Post »orionreplay6607
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:24amWhen the government “creates” a job, it is one of temporary solution. Pump millions into the roads and unions will pony up the men they have already and then look to bring on new. But it is a temporary solution, for once specific project is complete, then the new workers get laid off.
We’re not talking about a roving band of construction workers that move from city to city, so any new workers join the fold and continue to work jobs cross the country. Road projects and bridge projects are very locality specific. If I am hired for a bridge job, I might work for 6 months. Ok, maybe a year. But then I’m done.
So the President can sell his plan as creating a job, it’s technically correct. If the Union allows for new workers on that project, those people loathe the day the project ends.
Report Post »melmatmic
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:33amAnd that’s why everything takes longer than it should and costs more than it should.
Report Post »Longpond
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 9:36amI said this very same thing last night when i heard about this plan. It’s a rehash of Obama’s failed stimulus and it creates temporary jobs. The money would be better spent subsidizing all these mythical “clean energy” projects. Money used that way would create jobs and possibly, unlikely but possibly, create a sustainable industry should one of these energy experiments prove viable.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 11:27amThat’s the plan, Orion. OzerO only needs to create jobs that will last through Nov. 2012. Look for infrastructure jobs to go to unions only – they will get the cash ASAP so that a good portion can be turned around and given to Dem candidates leading up to election time, but the actual construction projects will be scheduled so that completion deadlines are about 14-15 months from now.
If Oblamo is re-elected, he won’t care what unemloyment numbers are, since it is far better for his lame duck socialist agenda to have as many people as possible on the Gov’t teat. If a Republican wins, then job numbers drop immediately after the election, giving Dems an opportunity to say the GOP hates America by letting jobs go and not spending more stimulus to keep them.
Meanwhile, the big winner here of the 2011 stimulus lottery is the unions…. although they are the only ones who were allowed to buy tickets.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 2:13pmExactly! The only ones who will be allowed to work on any project will be Union employees. Our Prez. with his Union buddies will see to that. So, the rest of you can just kiss off, he’s doing nothing for you.
Report Post »This is his lesson of the day. Join the Unions so they can tell you how to vote then send most of your union dues to the man of their choice. One more step to communism via unions.
king jack rabbit
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:21ami don t think congress is stupid enough to pass a bill like, that you can t buy jobs
Report Post »beenaroundyaknow
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:39amDon’t ever underestimate the stupidity of Congress. Remember Obamacare?
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 10:50amdon’t forget Boenher is speaker. just another LIB.
Report Post »king jack rabbit
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:19ami don t think congress is stupd enough to pass this bill if there is one
Report Post »McBreezy
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:33pmyou’d be surprised, congress has passed some whoppers. I really hope they cut this one off though, before reversing Obamacare and slashing our behemoth programs and budget to ribbons so we can get this train back on the rails, but I have a sinking suspicion that the only thing that will stop our government is dismissing them and replacing them all. Even the ones like Bachmann who -while they may have the good of the country in mind- contribute to the insanity through acts like spending copious amounts of money on a campaign and then turning around and doing it again before they even finish out their term. Just my two cents, which may soon be worth .02 cents (as opposed to .02 dollars, just to be clear)
Report Post »Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:16amObama has no way of honestly funding his proposal. If he cuts the payroll tax then he forces Social Security to go to the Trust Fund to pay benefits. That’s robbing present and future retirees. He won’t be able to get that much from the rich and trying to tax it from corporations would keep the damper on jobs. I believe his only avenue is to cut regulation big time. Regulation compliance costs an estimated 1.75 trillion per year. Pare that down and you make American business more competitive and more likely to hire in the US.
Report Post »kenboo1
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:15amWell, we got the government we axed for… Maybe its time we changed it… I feel a change a comin….
Report Post »LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:27amIf its all paid for that means he has it all figured out already. Then why didn’t he explain how it would be paid for? The plain truth is he has no clue how to pay for it! If he knew, he could have explained it last night. Hey liberals, hows that hope & change working out for ya? And dont give me the same old line about the TEA Party stopping his plans, the TEA Party is only a tiny part of Washington, for now. Obama, the worst president is history, and the only bright spot is he will be a one term president.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:54am@LIBSALWAYSLIE.. You have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it ,ya know..
Report Post »jackbauer
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:03amI don‘t know about you but I’ve gotten “ hope and change” from this administration. I have the “hope” that I will still have some “change” in my pocket when BO leaves office.
Report Post »superchaos
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:14amI have been hearing “There are a lot of roads in need of repair.“ and ”we have a lot of construction workers out of work right now.” Really? All of those out of work road workers are union. Home construction is a lot different than road construction. How long will it take for people to get hired into union shops as road construction apprentices and actually move up to journeyman? 5+ years?
It isn’t about the government creating jobs. The government CAN create a job, just not a sustainable job without constant revenue. That is why people here understand the importance of private businesses creating jobs. If the owner(s) want to remain in business to make any profit, they need to be competitive and actually have work to do.
I cannot believe colleges actually taught people if they get paid by tax money and pay taxes on their income from tax money, the tax money just keeps going around in a full circle and lasts forever.
Report Post »beenaroundyaknow
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:44amYou can thank our failed education system for that… and the Prez wants to earmark money in his jobs bill to hire more union teachers.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:48amWhites need not apply….
Report Post »Lucky Strikes
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:14amWhat an A-hole
Report Post »Phil312
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:05amDid I hear him refer (not by name) to the Constitution as “restrictive” when he criticized people who qquestioned the original passing of social security?
Report Post »highplainsguru
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:35amYes you did. He was very dismissive about the notion that one could argue that there were things that gov’t could or could not do. All federal employees, POTUS included, take an oath to defend the constitution. I think there should be legal penalties at least as stiff as those for lying about using steroids when in the capitol building for breaking that oath. I have heard Pelosi and Clyburn come out with anti-constitution statements that made my skin crawl in a similar fashion.
Report Post »Bob Hirschmann
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:15pmYou are 100% right! The congress should have impeached him a long time ago. Why haven’t they? I wish I had an answer to that. Obama has avoided, bypassed and basically ignored the Constitution and all it stands for. Yet he swore “to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States”. Did he swear it on the Holy Bible or the Koran? If on the Bible, since he is a Muslim, he probably feels that it is not a valid oath. If this is not impeachable I don’t know what is. I call it treason. And that is certainly impeachable!
Report Post »king jack rabbit
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:04amyou can t buy jobs
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 10:06amNo, but you can buy votes, and that is what Obonzo is doing.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:03amObama records
Records set on Obama’s watch:
Report Post »1. US Sovereign Debt Downgrade…first in US History
2. Federal Spending, (25% of GDP). The highest since WWII.
3. Highest budget deficit (10% of GDP) since WWII.
4. Lowest level of working population since 1983. Only 58.1% of the population is working.
5. Long Term Unemployment (45% of total) highest since 1830s.
I’m certain there are more record shattering firsts but that is enuff!!
Living In NYC
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:14amDont forget:
-Trillions lost in the values of our homes
-Trillions lost is our 401K
-Our President driving class wars between all Americans:
-Religious
-Financial
-Political
-Radial
-All of his program support only his donors:
-Unions
-Govt Employees
-Teachers
-Never the private sector!
We need to stop his payback and self serving spending style!
Report Post »tinydd
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:23amRemember, old Barry has another year and a half to continue his record breaking streak…
Report Post »I Believe In American Exceptionalism
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:37amPresident Downgrade and his never-ending cast of Straw Men. How can Zero demand that Congress “pass the bill” when the pesky finance details won’t be available for weeks – especially given his incredible track record for transparency and veracity?
Makers v. Takers in 2012.
Report Post »melmatmic
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:37amDon’t forget the 3+ million spent for a 3 day “bus” tour.
Report Post »kaijue
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:56amLets also not forget that more troops have died in conflict in the two years that he has been President due to his faced policies (don’t defend yourself until you are fired upon) than in the previous 6 years of the conflict. More soldiers wounded in 2010 than during the entire conflict.
In the 8 years of President George Bush there was a total of 599 American military casualties.
In the 2 years of Obama’s Presidency there was a total of 810 American military casualties.
2010 has been the deadliest year of the entire Afghanistan war. 499 service members died. That’s only 100 short of the entire 8 years that Bush was President. These numbers also do not include the wounded. The total number of wounded by the end of 2010 since the war began is 9,957. 5,182 of that number were wounded in 2010. That’s right, more than half of the total number of wounded American service men occurred in one year, 2010.
Report Post »Bob Hirschmann
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:25pmI agree with you. It seems that all along Obama Ben Ladens goal was to destroy America. So far he’s done a great job of it. When he accomplishes his task he will declare himself the first dictator of the United States. This will be another Muslim nation with him as our new Mohammed. Won’t that be great?
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:01amJeffery Immelt (Chairmen and CEO of GE), paid no taxes and created jobs in CHINA and other foreign nations, sitting next to the first lady yesterday…Obama’s Top Guy on the Jobs Council…now there is some ironic credibility, eh?
Report Post »On The Bayou
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:23amObama also said Warren Buffet was mad because he wasn`t paying his share of taxes. Write the check Warren Buffet and make it public or shut up.
Report Post »manster35
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:01amBarry just does not get it. Nothing is paid for unless it is on the backs of the taxpayers. I am sick of the everything must be done on the backs of the taxpayers. Get out of my life leave us alone.
Report Post »beekeeper
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:56amI don‘t understand this administration’s new policy of “I’ll get back to you on that next week”? He had a plan, but he waited three weeks to tell us, and when he did tell us his plan, he promised to tell us how he’ll pay for it in another week or two…
Is he leading the government or is always going to leave us with a cliffhanger till his next speech?
Report Post »fathers_thought
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:18amPresidents ‘I’ll get back to you …” policy isn’t new. Remember the obamacare “You have to vote for it to find out what is in it.” Same old shell game. “Pass it now, hurry up!”.
Report Post »And the old-guard republicans are made in the same mold.
Notice how all the Democrate commentators favor Romney for the GOP candidate?
Darla_K
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 9:27amOf course he is going to leave us hanging. That is what actors are good at. He needs to get out of the president business and get into the acting business. He definately is a pathetic President and puts this country to shame. This stimulus money will fall into the hands of his union buds and be given back for his campaign. Talk about lying, cheating and stealing. This man is at the top. WE need to take our Country back!!!
Report Post »HowardSternIsABigot
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:54amWe need to clearly define “solution” to mean an actual plan to solve a problem, not steal from peter to pay Leroy. If people cant afford health care, tell us how you will A. get them a job or more money,, B. Lower the cost of dr care.,,, or C. provide cheaper insurance. , or D. provide cheaper services while maintaining quality.
Report Post »Unemployment a problem? Not more unempoloyment checks,,, A. How are you bringing jobs back from Chia? ,, B. Drill for oil,,,C, Create new types of jobs that dont just steal from taxpayers but earn their way.
Those are solutions. Stealing is the problem,, political theft is still theft.
jcizarter
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:53amIt is too bad that Fact Check did not check out Obama and neither did the voters. Look what ya get when ya go to vote without checking out the Candidate?
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:43amThe SOB saying buy American and his buddy, the leader of GE who in the last 6 months has shipped 1000′s of jobs to China setting with his wife… oh yep he is on a mission to distroy our country and is worried he might not get re-elected so he has to step up his distruction plans……
Report Post »Living In NYC
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:24amI think Jeff, Barry and George have all gone beyond Marxist…they are true communist!
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:41amWhat was that about pants on fire….?
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:32am“Everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything.”
Well OF COURSE it will be! Depends on what definition of “pay” he is using.
Report Post »Of course we will “pay” for this–, just like he will somehow pay for showing us just how stupid he thinks we are.
SamIamTwo
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:32amHe clearly stated, “we are doomed unless we pass it now, and I‘ll get back with you in TWO weeks on how it won’t cost you a dime”…
gee I would have never guessed that el presidente would show up unprepared.
Just playing a game to blame those who SHOULD stop the tax and spend program of Obama.
You should pass it, you should pass it, you should pass it…like a bloody info commercial…he said that 18 times.
He’s had over 2 years and now he comes up with more hurry up and wait stuff…enuff of this man.
He brought forth a half witted plan that hasn’t been tested by OMB…man this guy is ill-advised…
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:46amI’m remembering the health care bill….pass it to see what’s in it. I (for one) READ most of all three proposed health care bills and it’s what got me into politics. It’s bad, bad, bad, for this country.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:43amRight-o, SAMIAM. He’s just the Infomercial Man, trying to sell us something we don’t need, knowing tried and true solutions exist, but needing us to buy his “miracle” junky wares.
Report Post »tomloy
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:26amObama is definately not telling the truth. His bill is NOT paid for unless it includes cuts in the bill itself, which it doesn’t. Plus the House Republicans are NOT going to go for tax increases on the wealthy. If Obama really wanted to spur jobs, he would institute a flat tax, and kill all capital gains
Report Post »taxes.
Joanofark
Posted on September 10, 2011 at 10:25amMaking taking cuts against the rich is only a ploy. Since very little complaints have been heard in opposition to Obama’s policy, I can only assume that he has given them a back door session or other hidden loopholes making the tax cut not existent to them only fooling us that they will take place.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:25amIt is taking money that has already been borrowed and added to our debt to pay for new programs. It is debt paying for new programs. When the borrowed money is once again spent, the jobs are gone but the money is still owed and unemployment is the same or higher.
Investment = Stimulus
Fair share= tax increases
Paid for = using money already owed
Not add to deficit = borrowing from Peter to pay Paul
American Jobs Act = welfare paid for by borrowed money
Government cannot create jobs….only government jobs paid for with tax money
Report Post »America is broke and living on credit cards….STOP THE INSANITY
loriann12
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:44amWe always called that “Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.”
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:27amDon’t you mean “Borrow from Peter to BUY Paul?????
Report Post »fertlmind
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:23amWho cares? Everything in this administration is a lie.
ALERT!!!!!!
Was the power outage in the southwest border states yesterday a cover to let 911-11 terrorist sneak in over the border?
Do you really believe a power company technician broke a substation and ALL THE FAILSAFES IN THE SOUTHWEST POWER GRID FAILED ?
Homeland Security is a farce. We are all in jeopardy because of the Obama adminstration.
Do not believe what the government tells you about your security and safety this weekend!!!!!!
Prepare to protect your family. Do you have enough food and water and supplies to survive the results of an attack?
Do you have a gun?
Will your neighbors watch your back in a crisis?
Be prepared. Spend a few moments today thinking about what you can do to help yourself tomorrow.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:34amThe terrorists have been coming across the border for years, getting in place, waiting for the call to arms. The number of mosques in the U.S. has increased in the past 10 years at an unbelievable rate. Where did all the Muslims come from to support these mosques ? Where did the money come from? What are they being used for? Strange that so many have been built in small towns, lots tucked away in the mountains. America is being taken over from within. There is NO Conspiracy theory that can equal the FACTS that are taking place in America.
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 8:05amYo man, take that tin foil hat off….
Report Post »Libby Tarian
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:12amLeader of the Free world trying to make us into North Korea…shut us down and make us into a 3rd world country. He is doing great so far. We are broke and borrowing more each day, what is it, we are spending Three Million dollars every hour or is it every minute? I just can’t keep up with these big spenders.
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